DotA

[worn drift]

ye gameplay wise it was great tourny

[thorny fiber]

i mean if the intention was to create cringe, they did very well

[worn drift]

I didn't really get the arabic translator tbh

[thorny fiber]

like the smoke machines as the teams enter the stage

[worn drift]

every interview he'd just talk for like 3-4 mins straight

and it would just be awkward

[thorny fiber]

ye its a very strange way to do it

[worn drift]

player and tsunami just standing there afk

[rugged cipher]

i mean i didnt watch sideshows etc just the games but only hickup was kinda quest DC and game coordinator being down

[worn drift]

its not like if tourny is hosted in other country

they have that countries language translator there for every interview

i dont get it

at all

[thorny fiber]

you can prob do it in a more smooth way

[stone geode]

the guy who paid the prizepool doesnt peak english

[thorny fiber]

than have tsunami + player just stand there

[stone geode]

so he wanted to understand

is a reason I could come up with

[thorny fiber]

do you think the battle pass whale paid for the tourney?

wouldnt surprise me

the arab prince or whatever

[worn drift]

[thorny fiber]

"no TI crowdfunding this year, lemme just make a tournament instead"

[stone geode]

maybe

wonder what they do with crownfunding TI

cause valva snakes always put in very little themselves

and then take most of the crowdfunding

[thorny fiber]

didnt they just use a bit of it last year

pretty sure we didnt get the full battlepass prizepool last TI

or i dreamt that

something about "spreading it out over the season"

which they didnt do

[stone geode]

no idea about that

[rugged cipher]

they just put it in their own pocket a bit every month

[worn drift]

team spirit vlogs are nice

actually get player pov from games

thoughts and stuff

[thorny fiber]

from 200k

to 5.2 mil

the dota2 esports scene is so wild

[stray yew]

very sad ceb is gonna play in og

id rather see him on desk

[thorny fiber]

g1 analysis of the grand finals yday

[stray yew]

actually maybe they fail to qualify

[thorny fiber]

was the best performance of an analyst of all the tourney

[stray yew]

and then he goes on desk

ceb on desk is always top tier

[thorny fiber]

like hitting the naga offlane shout

almost instantly

[stray yew]

him and aui are most complete dota human beings in that regard

coz they had success both as coach and player

[thorny fiber]

ye

he was amazing during the covid TI too

think it was the one spirit won

[stray yew]

ye

him and notail were on the desk there

coz they went out

[thorny fiber]

ye

[stray yew]

ceb/faith bian/fear thats insane combo

to have on desk

[thorny fiber]

kinda sadge they swapped them out

after just 1 game

the analysis dropped and the TL drafts quality dropped

coincidence?

TL just wanted to impress ceb dad during first draft

[stray yew]

[thorny fiber]

also did moxxie quit

cus of negative ppl

[stray yew]

either quit or not getting hired anymore

i know kyle just said fuck dota and he quit

[thorny fiber]

i wondered where he went

thought he got cancelled

cus it wouldnt surprise me

[stray yew]

kyle? nah

[thorny fiber]

i have a feeling odpixel is gonna tap out soon

as well

too busy making music

[stray yew]

kyle was doing some gdq stuff i think

he is also part of some streaming studio or something along those lines

not sure what he's exactly up to

some streaming stuff still/studio kinda stuff

[thorny fiber]

rip swindlemelonz

[stray yew]

im probably in minority but i liked kyle

at least he wasnt scared to have strong opinions

[thorny fiber]

well i only liked him cus he played hon

[stray yew]

but maybe it comes with nationality

there was decent interview with him some time ago

[thorny fiber]

hon was the shit for like 2 years

[stray yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPRmV1Nu7o

from the more interesting things he said was part where he goes about how noone wants to host dota 2 tournaments

thats why we end with rly bad production because anyone can get it

[thorny fiber]

ye

but

do you want a League style

where its ONLY riot games

[stray yew]

i think dota 2 scene is uhm

crystallizing into decent circuit

like we are getting more non dpc tournaments

slow and steady

[thorny fiber]

ye

[stray yew]

so its going in right direction

[thorny fiber]

i think the fact there have been so many young new really good talents

is a good sign

like its a boomer game

or was at least

[stray yew]

i think its regional

idk but seems like either russia has such bigger population/that many kids

or they dont know what mobile games are (yet)

or both

[thorny fiber]

free game

helps

[stray yew]

ye but that doesnt matter its free in china too or sea

region

but thereis 10 times more talent from russian region in both cs and dota

(cis region)

than any other region

[rugged cipher]

video games good escape for kids in war countries thats why cis is stonking

maybe

[stray yew]

i have a theory its because mobile gaming must be just not as popular there

its not rly as popular in EU as asia in general

but maybe thats me coping

[rugged cipher]

well its kinda only popular in asia right

[stray yew]

i wonder if its not yet popular in eu

or if its just not gonna be as popular ever

[rugged cipher]

g2-faze in csgo btw

[stray yew]

g2 is gonna accidentaly win

and people gonna praise how hooxi is mega best igl to ever play the game

[rugged cipher]

he is indeed owning first map

[stray yew]

ye watch him have 1 good map in ages and still go -10 50 adr across 3 map series

even tho 1st map was 100 adr +10

[rugged cipher]

i like hwo they sit across eachother

so tehy can stare eachother down

hooxi is taunting karrigan all game

seeing vitality play was kinda funny, apex was like 4-16 celebrating every round like crazy when zywoo and magisk carried

always the worst player being the loudest

[stray yew]

apex is based

[rugged cipher]

ye was pretty fun, he was like "you are losing 4v5 guys, they dont even need me"

[stray yew]

you could flame apex that he had goat players when he won 2nd major

the paris major

but so did igls like nafany

and they fail to even qualify to playoffs

or hooxi

hooxi has prime niko and fails to even make the majors

[rugged cipher]

gorps fucking pub at 22 min as mk

[stray yew]

he laned into undying/snap?

when you lane into 2 1st ban heroes

[manic ermine]

Waiting for undying nerfs

Decay spam is getting too obnoxious

[stray yew]

i laned yday as mk into snap

snap is just unfair

impossible to lose lane as this hero

[rugged cipher]

not sure what rekt him but teh amount of kills at 20 min

kinda insane

[thorny fiber]

how do you nerf it

[stray yew]

snap? you either nerf spells or talents

[thorny fiber]

without making it shit

[stray yew]

id rather they nerf q quite a bit

i dont think even if you nerfed everything hero would be shit

all spells are good ult is good

talents good

and its universal

[stray yew]

@jolly crane @jolly crane

dota

zwei

[jolly crane]

ye

oh you meant

asking

nah playing remnant2

with friendos

[stray yew]

better friends*

[jolly crane]

nah

just

people i played with a lot

before

[stray yew]

[stone geode]

ditched

[worn drift]

I didn’t mind kyle

Cause ye he is someone that isn’t afraid of having a strong opinion

[worn drift]

Gg malding

Grinding these 500k majors all seasom

Then these cis fuckers come in and steal the show when its time for big tourny

[stone geode]

just win

[thorny fiber]

think gg just gonna crash out during ti

as well

its the golden age of gg atm

and august patch will nerf their strat

teams that are more versatile rejoice

[stone geode]

I dont think cis teams usually do well on new patches

[thorny fiber]

i guess pango wont get nerfed again

so thats good for quinn at least

[rugged cipher]

new patches often favour teams with mmr grinding demons in their teams

cus they learn all new tech

[stray yew]

@jolly crane dota

@jolly crane

i will never forget you kevin

[stray yew]

if anything they showed they adapt fastest

they won 1st major on patch with no big map and stuff

arguably this patch changed most

7.32d was lina major

[thorny fiber]

10w 1l since i started playing after riyadh just waiting for the inevitable lose streak

is it a conspiracy theory to assume that valve puts you in good teams when you just started playing again

to keep you playing

i feel like its easier than ever to win tho

especially if you sacrifice ur own hero status

and just build auras

mfers at this level just fight into them

[stray yew]

depends on role tbh

if you're offlaner tho then yea auras are rly good

[manic ermine]

The forced 50/50 theory

Get ready for 10 lose streak

[thorny fiber]

ye i am not even good at DS

but i pick that shit

i build auras

and they cant fight us

[manic ermine]

Ds is just strong atm

You have good cs capability in lane

Build vanguard

[stray yew]

forced 50/50 is a myth and cope

[manic ermine]

Never die

[stray yew]

becuase reality is

[manic ermine]

And your wall is just really good vs many carries

[stray yew]

you lose games because you get matched with people with certain playstyle vs people with playstyle that abuses your team's playstyle for example

[manic ermine]

Yeah it's a myth

But a good meme

[stray yew]

but people just cope

[thorny fiber]

but i do know blizzard had some kind of engine that made you get better matchmaking after buying an expensive thing etc

[stray yew]

[manic ermine]

Never heard of that

[thorny fiber]

or if you liked to play x hero they mathced you against a player with fancy skin

[manic ermine]

In hots?

[thorny fiber]

overwatch

[manic ermine]

Huh

[thorny fiber]

it was public knowledge

cus they patented the engine

[thorny fiber]

got my best rank since like 2015

thank god for this new calibration system

[stone geode]

[thorny fiber]

not only based on win/loss ratio

[rugged cipher]

i remember when it was overall damage and everyone just played zeus and threw spells on cooldown

[thorny fiber]

it used to be that?

wtf

brilliant idea

overall dmg is truly a measurement of skill

[rugged cipher]

it was at least a major factor when creating smurfs and calibrating first time

was like guranteed 4.5k mmr or something which was kinda the limit on calibration for new accs back then at least

[stray yew]

ye used to be liuke that at some point in 2013-14 or 15 maybe

but once everyone figured it out fixed

[worn drift]

Overall dmg

So if you play some support like dazzle

Gg

[manic ermine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/15h8tru/cm_vs_mars/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1

[jolly crane]

https://bo3.gg/news/w0nderful-and-zont1x-banned-by-ukrainian-esports-federation-navi-next

the fuck

yatoro/mira banned by ukrainian esports federation

cuz they play with russians

despire team spirit relocating to serbia and being pro-peace

[manic ermine]

Seems very selective when other orgs have ppl from Ukraine and Russia playing together

Like Yuragi with DM and Misha

Actually this ban shouldn't matter really

It's a non-gov org

[rugged cipher]

i dont evne think any of the teams is located in UA anyway if they actually could stop them from flying

[thorny fiber]

Maybe they are draft dodgers

And play with russians

Double bad

[worn drift]

Fucked up lol

Dudes probably have family in ukraine that they now cant visit until war is over/ban is lifted

[jolly crane]

might matter for stuff like visa applications etc. if you dont get support from the "official" esports federation of your country

[worn drift]

I like the part about s1mple

[stray yew]

@jolly cranedota zwei

[jolly crane]

can do in like

15?

[stray yew]

ok

[jolly crane]

might be faster

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

logging in

[humble yew]

[vagrant wagon]

any patch notes decipherers in chat

[humble yew]

https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3674426239866314901

hf

[manic ermine]

some are figured out

🩸💣: 💰🔻 6️⃣5️⃣ ➡️ 5️⃣0️⃣

Blood Grenade cost reduced from 65 to 50.

🩸💣: 🎒🔝🔻 3️⃣ ➡️ 2️⃣

max stacks in inventory reduced from 3 to 2

🩸💣: 🆕📦🔻 3️⃣ ➡️ 2️⃣

stock from 3 to 2?

🩸💣: ⏳🔺 1️⃣2️⃣0️⃣s ➡️ 1️⃣8️⃣0️⃣s

restock from 120s to 180s

[vagrant wagon]

giga brain

[thorny fiber]

someone used chatgpt or equivalent

on the text

[stray yew]

@jolly crane dota 2

[jolly crane]

hahahaha

[worn drift]

LMAO

[stray yew]

new patch btw

[worn drift]

this kinda seems massive

dagger having 40% chance to proc a guaranteed crit on your next auto is pretty wild

wtf

invoker universal

bro this seems fucking insane

okay shadow shaman almost certainly meta

man i remember i said

the lvl 20 talent is good enough to be 25

bro some of these changes are fuckin monka

okay bro

eblade dagon 5 wyvern

[jolly crane]

Just go revenants brooch

Tusk seems insane against melee heroes now in lane, 50as is huge

Goodbye enigma

Marci support

[worn drift]

Ye i was thinking same

That being just a regular passive is legit cracked

Think hes gonna be a menace against melees

[worn drift]

I like the pa change tho

Being able to prep a crit before jumping kinda sick

[jolly crane]

Will someone think of the supports...

The fact dagger is 40% crit is gross

[manic ermine]

Razor just casually getting his shard baked into his passive as a baseline ability

Also this is a thing

[jolly crane]

Used to already be the case before

[manic ermine]

Huh

Well it's a nice farming tool

[jolly crane]

Ye

[manic ermine]

And new shard is pretty sweet

[jolly crane]

Razor used to have passive damage on his ult like 3y ago

To help him farm

[manic ermine]

Spectre change also seems interesting

You can get involved a lot more in early fights now

[jolly crane]

Then they removed that, people called the hero dead, then it was played as a pos3 anyway and dominated the meta for a year

[manic ermine]

Wasn't that the faith bian refresher razor?

[jolly crane]

Ye

That was the same patch that removed razor farm speed

[manic ermine]

Back to razor pos 1

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JNiq9/5766b5d3ea.png

used to be this basically

and then changed a few times

to also proc on spellcast

then they removed it again, put it into shard instead

and before that it used to just be his aura

that would proc damage like the stormcrafter

so i guess were back to that now 😄

[manic ermine]

This is also a great change

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JNiqr/ce814e72a4.png

[manic ermine]

That's all I wanted for bh

Oh yeah I remember his old passives now

https://youtu.be/M5N2ndF6t_g

[jolly crane]

so they pmuch went back to old razor passive

[manic ermine]

This vid shows all his changes

[jolly crane]

but added the melee counter attack

ye razor is one of those heroes that got a lot of changes

its also one of those heroes that looked way cooler in hon

[manic ermine]

Corrupted disciple

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

thats just anti ww core

which is extremely obnoxious

[jolly crane]

just get rev brooch

[worn drift]

its not 40% crit

its 40% chance to generate a buff to make your next attack guaranteed crit

[jolly crane]

ye but cant the dagger itself still crit?

[worn drift]

Not sure

I dont think pa herself can crit unless she has the buff up

But if she has triple stifling dagger i think they will crit off other daggers procing the buff

[thorny fiber]

Should be able to prime it on creeps too?

[stone geode]

engima

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[stray yew]

fuck enigma

ooga booga i deny creeps for free

[stone geode]

took way too long to remove

when did they get rid of it on lich

[stray yew]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpikySpookyPterodactylYouDontSay-tpxgiLlHCRO0C6qh

[manic ermine]

My pos 5 ogres are just stacking midas

[stray yew]

wild patch

but its oversight

hopefully it gets hotfixed lmao

[worn drift]

bro i didnt notice this

wtf

[stray yew]

ye even valve knows how to buff a hero

just make him universal

[thorny fiber]

i saw purge try it out on stream

bought some viper-esque items in the practice area

the talent was like 140 dmg talent

basically

190 base dmg to 344 iirc

or well, mfer bought r5 dagon, idk if thats typical

[stray yew]

it is 25 talent i dont think you ever think about picking a hero thinking about his 25 talent

[jolly crane]

Ye, or itemize for it

Still funny talent though

[humble yew]

https://twitter.com/Funn1kDota/status/1691061600709468161

Gleb Lipatnikov on Twitter

Some interesting facts about my last 7 month life.

Twitter · Aug 14, 2023, 12:17 PM

[thorny fiber]

[worn drift]

[jolly crane]

Ye, if true that's huge

[humble yew]

he dunked hard on NS too

https://twitter.com/Funn1kDota/status/1691121481885892608

Gleb Lipatnikov on Twitter

Есть ещё один говноед уровня 10 из 10 гавноедов. Неудивительно что тебе похуй, что в соседнюю страну летят ракеты из твоей блядской страны. Ведь ты всегда был двуличным мерзким мусором, стоял бы ты передо мной, ушатал бы тебя нахуй. Ещё раз пиздани четко в мой адрес. @just_ns

Twitter · Aug 14, 2023, 4:15 PM

https://twitter.com/Funn1kDota/status/1691129167352610816

Gleb Lipatnikov on Twitter

Стоило пару дней активности сделать, как вы сами себя все показали (те кто в теме) продолжайте отвечать мне, меньше работы будет.

Все без негатива ребят, я чилл. Но продолжайте писать, мы уже фиксируем с местными укр властями вас.

Twitter · Aug 14, 2023, 4:46 PM

[manic ermine]

Idk I find his statements hard to believe

[thorny fiber]

word against word

[rugged cipher]

he always there hosting the g8 tourneys now in cs:go. is he the one throwing in the monies also?

[thorny fiber]

former esports pro

prob one of the few they got

from saudi

[rugged cipher]

[thorny fiber]

https://escharts.com/players/fancy-rainbow-six

[manic ermine]

https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3640650512230380185

Mirana persona available :]

[jade bramble]

More of this please

[thorny fiber]

[jolly crane]

china qualifiers are smth else man

aster out already

paparazzi retired before qualifiers it seems, xinq now pos4 for xtreme

[thorny fiber]

Aster down bad

[jolly crane]

ye

[thorny fiber]

No king in TI

[jolly crane]

i mean sumail hastn really qualified for much since he left NA

[thorny fiber]

Do you think he tries to join eu team

[jolly crane]

idk

[thorny fiber]

Its too late actually

[jolly crane]

i think hes gonna try and stay in china if he cna, he seemed to have enjoyed his stay there so far

[rugged cipher]

hopping from CN qual to EU qual after he fails, og got spots

oh wow og went and sent taiga to wildcard

and took kitrak+ceb

[thorny fiber]

chinese teams very inventive with their logos

[rugged cipher]

isnt it literally the same org

[thorny fiber]

is extreme gaming and azure ray the same org?

i woudlnt know

[jolly crane]

another TI for somnus

[thorny fiber]

yaaaaaaaaaaaay....

same old chinese players

wheres the talent

[worn drift]

League of legends

[stray yew]

banned

[jolly crane]

somnus has more than enough talent tho

and his team has a bunch of new players

[thorny fiber]

chinese region must be the region with the least youth development

i swear its the same 20 players

doing the rounds in 4-5 different teams

[jolly crane]

Nah, they have new players every year

[thorny fiber]

are you sure they didnt just change names

cus that happens too

[jolly crane]

But because their names are shit like PYW or zzq or xm or dy or jt, you kinda dont really notice

[thorny fiber]

arent they also changing names

[jolly crane]

some do

[thorny fiber]

more than other regions

[jolly crane]

but its just hard to remember

most of their players are like

early to mid 20s

and played in shitty div2 or amateur teams for a few years

before being brought up to one of the better teams

[thorny fiber]

a region thats surprisingly stacked is SEA

for this years TI qualis

[jolly crane]

but they actualyl have a much more flourishing amateur scene than any other region, id say

teams like aster have like 3 or 4 teams

xtreme as well

iG has 2 teams at least, maybe 3

[thorny fiber]

how many end up in t1 teams tho

[jolly crane]

how many do in other teams?

[thorny fiber]

idk

[jolly crane]

the "child prodigy" thing is kind of not really something that actually exists

right now the only one that exists in dota is pure

last one was sumail

[thorny fiber]

i know CIS is prob the region where you find actually really talented newcomers

and the entire quest team

bunch of nobodies

[jolly crane]

dota in general just isnt a game thats really conducive to having a 18y old player that barely played for a year be able to perform well

[thorny fiber]

ye they have usually played since they were kids

cus of some older brother

or in the case of quest cus of the local LAN cafe

[jolly crane]

quest is like the biggest team of nobodies but even they typically have team histories of having played in empire before or hellraisers or some other t2/t3 team

[thorny fiber]

creepwave as well

had multiple players actually play good in top teams

even tho ammar has fallen off already

[thorny fiber]

wouldnt it be funny if a bunch of ukrainians won the NA TI spot

[rugged cipher]

got stomped in the end

[plain pilot]

Gyro

[stray yew]

nigma lost to alliance

holy fuck

what an absolute disaster

[stone geode]

nigma balls

[manic ermine]

Alliance looking pretty good tho

[plain pilot]

Anyone wanna play some dota?

[rugged cipher]

lol quest added tobi and now lose to luna galaxy

well free qual for entity

[stray yew]

quest can still qualify

but its either secret/quest now

[rugged cipher]

ah quest killed og

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JOVtB/062cd6e00a.jpg

wtf is this

Additionally, we’ve added a “Dislike” button that will ensure players you’d prefer not to play with, for whatever reason, are less likely to show up in future matches.```

[worn drift]

[jolly crane]

https://www.dota2.com/summer2023

bunch of good shit

new behavior score rework

actually seems good

[stone geode]

[vagrant wagon]

body type 2 demon hunter nelf

[thorny fiber]

wait until you see the marci set

dota straying further from god with every skin update

(toward weebs)

jaysus

you need 8k score to even voice chat

[worn drift]

LOL

[thorny fiber]

unranked gamer pxb

[worn drift]

Nah my behavior score isn’t low anymore

[thorny fiber]

who dis?

[worn drift]

Aint that the arcana

[thorny fiber]

never seen anyone use it

[worn drift]

Ik the walk animation is kinda dog

[thorny fiber]

man commends actually matter now

[worn drift]

Also turn into a malding dude

[thorny fiber]

i cant just blanket commend

[jolly crane]

Kinda can as long as they played well

Including enemies

[thorny fiber]

oh

[jolly crane]

You just wanna commend people youd like playing with more, i.e. anyone who wasn't a toxic pos

[worn drift]

Ye i usually commend people if they aren’t just obvious cunt

If they try the whole game i usually commend

If the game is high quality ill just commend the whole lobby

[jolly crane]

So just dislike the prophet/arcwarden players and you're good to go

[thorny fiber]

true

[last scaffold]

Which one of you is a shaker abuser rn

[thorny fiber]

my last shaker game

3 years ago pog

[worn drift]

What role is he op in atm

I haven’t kept up

[thorny fiber]

you can play him mid even

motherfucker hits like a truck

[last scaffold]

I’ve see it a lot in mid

Force levels and terrorize side lanes

[thorny fiber]

i really like spectre atm

shadowstep is way more fun to play

[last scaffold]

Yea that hero seems good

[thorny fiber]

can be more active

[worn drift]

Ye the change to make shadowstep her ult was good lol

That hero felt so fucking bad to play until youre 6 slotted

[last scaffold]

I play 4 5 and have been playing a lot of tree

[thorny fiber]

tree is really good

witch doctor lowkey broken in pubs at least

making his ulti pure dmg is cancer

[last scaffold]

Walking up to enemy wisdom at 7min and out trading anyone with right clicks feels great

[manic ermine]

10k bh needed to ping allied items and abilities

Feels good

[rugged cipher]

secret about to byebye

[worn drift]

No surprise

Think its time for puppey to go coach mode

Either go coach mode or convince 4 people on an already really good team to go to secret

Crystalis surely retires from pro play

[jolly crane]

new natures prophet and invoker can suck my nuts

"hahaxd lemme just us my 9 second cooldown 6seconds disable on you that you cant do anything about as a carry if you dont play either battlefury or have a fucking quelling blade in your inventory minute 60"

"also, if you eat it with a tango in the early game, you dont actually get hp regen from it lmao get bent"

what a fucking dogshit spell

[manic ermine]

They should revert the buff where eating a furion tree with tango doesn't heal

[jolly crane]

they should revert it so you cant just teleport wherever you want. at least in dota1 you had to have "detected" the part of the map first at some point in the game before you could teleport there

the fact this fucker can just teleport to your wisdom at minute 7 is beyond stupid

[manic ermine]

I don't think they will ever touch the global tp aspect

[jolly crane]

i know

but it blows

just look at this dog hero

doesnt need any skill to gank

who needs good map movement/rotations

best part is when you eat a tree and still cant run out cuz of pathfinding/angles

sdewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwddddddddd

[stone geode]

same

[jolly crane]

cat

[jolly crane]

secret gonna pull through somehow

like fucking always

[manic ermine]

They're playing this series better

Than quest

[thorny fiber]

is it just me or is dota very chaotic atm

[jolly crane]

its gottan kinda crazy

[thorny fiber]

explosions all over the place

[jolly crane]

most heroes have more than 4 spells nowadays

[thorny fiber]

that last teamfight

shit just happened

[jolly crane]

some have 5 or 6

[thorny fiber]

constantly

[jolly crane]

lower cooldowns across the board as well

compared to like

5+ years ago

more active items

overall the game is a lot faster

[manic ermine]

Also more active items due to gold increase especially for supps

[thorny fiber]

yuh

[jolly crane]

ye

most carries are 6-slotted in pro games by minute 30-35

[thorny fiber]

theres like 3-4 fights in the fight

[jolly crane]

with the reduced duration of disables

people just get more spells off, you dont just kill someone in like a 10second disable chain

the downside to all of this, is that many heroes arent viable anymore as a result

cause they still have high cds on their spells

or cant do as much with items

[manic ermine]

I think this patch did a good job making more heroes viable tho

[jolly crane]

mostly cuz its not been figured out yet

need to nerf shit like PA, gyro or prophet

[manic ermine]

I have doubts if PA will be nerfed

She seems manageable in pubs and pro play

[thorny fiber]

gyro is ridiculous atm

[worn drift]

Is PA actually nerf worthy atm

[stray yew]

whoever wins this game qualifies to ti

pretty sure of that

even tho quest lost to luna earlier in the playoffs in upper bracket

im faaaaaaaaaaairly sure they'd stomp them now

and secret will stomp them too imo

they jsuit had lucky fluke run

(watch me be wrong soon)

[stone geode]

secrekt

[rugged cipher]

its all over

new ppy+crystallis team coming for next season

first ti ppy miss?

also gorgc were talking about tundra standin, confirmed saksa not going or?

[thorny fiber]

inb4 puppey weasels his way into another TI team

just to play it

and keep the record

[stray yew]

yes first

[stray yew]

puppey tundra

[manic ermine]

Puppey on TI panel would be dope

[worn drift]

Idk why he would drag crystalis with him

Crystalis is a draft liability

[rugged cipher]

he thoguht it was a good idea this season

[worn drift]

I mean maybe that was just some “we got 2nd place” delusion

When it was obvious that it wasn’t cause of crystalis

Secret 2nd place was fairly large fluke

Randomly acquire reso and zayac and still have nisha somehow

And then like everyone underperforms super hard

[rugged cipher]

ended up with only the main man crystallis of all those

[worn drift]

Ye cuz they all knew it was a fluke

[rugged cipher]

well only nisha is left in the scene right

or reso is commentating and zayac dunno

prolly got enough money for 40 generations in kyrgyzstan

[worn drift]

Hes kazakh

But ye that will last him and his 5 generations

[rugged cipher]

[worn drift]

Oh wtf

Nationality change or what

[rugged cipher]

no he always was

hat checks out

[worn drift]

But ye anyway he big chillin

[plain pilot]

Is it gonna be less toxicity in dota with the new patch?

I mean I uninstalled cuz of it

[jolly crane]

its still a multiplaer game on the internet

[manic ermine]

There might be less blunt toxicity but ppl can get creative

[plain pilot]

Yeah ppl are always creative in being toxic in dota

Tiny tossing allies into enemy is just tip of the iceberg for example

[thorny fiber]

I have played like 6-7 games since the patch and has had very little actual toxicity

0 griefing

I wasnt called idiot noob because i couldnt get a game as jugger vs a razor + ns that just wanted to ruin my game. Prepatch i probably would have been called all kinds of things

Oh and i also queued all 5 roles for some carry games and got mid

I never play mid, so i picked gondar 😂

Played like ass, not a single bad word

[manic ermine]

Yeah the initial impression is that ppl are more quiet during games which makes it more chill

[hybrid gate]

george see

[rugged cipher]

lol noone went to sea and qualed

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JP3lq/bcc0f42fdf.png

[thorny fiber]

is spectre slept on

[stray yew]

hero is good for quite some time if you can get through laning stage

laning is pain

the ult/aghs swap was big buff

[thorny fiber]

ye ive noticed laning is kinda mid

but he is way better at fighting early

and with NP meta

tping crew

[worn drift]

Ye spectre lane is atrocious bad

[stray yew]

nah its like worst laner

in game

honestly

maybe nyx is worse

😄

[worn drift]

Ye

Spectre without items is like turbo dog ass

One of her skills has no effect in lane most of the time

Dagger costs 10000 mana and does no dmg

[thorny fiber]

yep

i dont disagree

[stray yew]

ye its despair af

even when you try farming jungle

i remember i had game taht was mega ssuper beyond won and i was on spectre

and i bought like

sabre/falcon/meteor hammer

and i spammed dagger to farm

and i run out of mana mega fast anyway

even with 3 items for mana regen lmao

absolute horrendousness

[worn drift]

Ye like i get its her only spammable mana cost spell but god damn bro

[hybrid gate]

where minor balance patch

fuck natures profit

i press q and w i win gaem

[jolly crane]

why is sprout

12sec cd

at lv1

and 70 mana

and 700 range

actual most skillfree hero

i have ever seen

in 12years of dota

oh yeah and it deals 80 damage at lv1 and the tango doesnt heal you

cuz why not

[hybrid gate]

he is high iq hero

[jolly crane]

ye its legit

70iq player can do super well

on this hero

cuz you dont need anything

even if someone tangos out instantly, you just did 120damage to their economy cuz he used a tango that didnt give them a heal

[stray yew]

seli angry dota imbalanced

= seli always angry

[hybrid gate]

https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3692442542242977036?fbclid=IwAR0H0C8sKQAuSVZvpo_0nD9h92E3dmK_xRbnzHk9K1VfV0NZcQrlntmcYWk

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

nice, thank god i just had a 4stack with 2 smurfs who then got a random smurf as their 5th

[hybrid gate]

soudns horrible

all i get are chinese with inflated mmr stacks in sea

[thorny fiber]

been spared from smurfs lately

guess im perhaps playing at the perfect mmr where its not low enough to be "just starting" and most of them prob get sent to higher mmrs and skip my bracket.

[jolly crane]

prophet can just go suck a dick

[stray yew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/167k855/dota_9_people_cant_remove_the_pause_because_of/

@jolly crane

this couldve been us

but you're 10k score

[jolly crane]

Hahaha

Ngl if you're below 6k behavior score you fucking deserve it

[jolly crane]

@stray yew playing

battlecup with herudra in a dane stack

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JP8N3/2f10d51131.png

t8 cup against a team that won t7 last week

[thorny fiber]

laning with spectre should come with a warning sign

too many ppl think we can kill

and they just feed

i throw dagger and watch, thank you for feeding sir

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JPkaG/afabd688ab.jpg

[jade bramble]

[stray yew]

[jade bramble]

[hybrid gate]

just play np support

very good gaming

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JPx1O/b0fa5a0829.jpg

[stray yew]

iom never playing with seli

he'd report me for chat

[jolly crane]

i only report people who are toxic to me

[stray yew]

🔥

ok then im even more fucked

[jolly crane]

that void was flaming us for not helping him on lane

6minutes in

when we had 5 kills on our offlane already

then he proceeded to grief with chronos all game

and we still won

cuz enemy team didnt wanna buy bkbs and i just dismantled their teamfight with orchid/hex/atos

http://puu.sh/JPx52/e4adbd0a1f.jpg

was decent comeback

although i have to say, comebacks in this game are dumb atm

like, 25k xp swing within like 3 minutes

and half the heroes are worth 1k+ gold when you kill them

[thorny fiber]

was eating, decided to do some overwatch cases

and they were all "for griefing"

but in exactly 0 cases did the player actually grief

being bad =/= griefing

[plain pilot]

Anyone for a game?

[hybrid gate]

i heckin love dota 2

2 games against the same immortal stack

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7324985897

[thorny fiber]

Love it

[jolly crane]

well they have the random legend player in it! 😄

idk, dota mm is weird

[hybrid gate]

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7324868229

[hybrid gate]

NO SPROUT NERF

repoerted

[thorny fiber]

undercooked nerfs for some heroes or?

[hybrid gate]

gyro talents got moved around

thank god!!!!!

vambrace more shit than dogshit

BIG DAWNBREAKER NERF SAD

[jolly crane]

you get hp regen now when you tango out of it

which is huge

and -6 agi on np is kinda big as well

[hybrid gate]

fuck np

[manic ermine]

Melee carries were using specialist array anyway

[hybrid gate]

ya

idk why keep nerfing it

[stray yew]

specialist array turbo overtuned

straight up

gives like 10 damage and all stats i think

and if you're ranged even effect

or 12 damage even not sure, eitherway turbo overtuned item

[hybrid gate]

turbo is bruh moment

so many tryhards

and i play against 5 tryhard chinese immortal stacks

[jolly crane]

grubby is divine3 already

[rugged cipher]

oh so topson goign to ti with tundra

nine playing pos4

and still no prize pool?

[stone geode]

thats a bit weird

[jolly crane]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ArborealCuteStarNinjaGrumpy-bIUfuaGjG6DP-AX2

someone explain to me

what ramzes plan was there

[stray yew]

[humble yew]

underestimated beast ult aoe ig

[jolly crane]

also got perma cleaved by muerta so

[jolly crane]

dazzle mid completely dumpstering the kunkka

holy fuck

thats some proper CIS dota

2minute teamfight between safelane t1/t2 at mintue 7

[stone geode]

did they finally kick DM

[last scaffold]

Petition to disable PA from the tournament

[hybrid gate]

SHARTSQUEEZY MY GUY

[manic ermine]

Nightfall instant queueing pa right after series loss

[jolly crane]

dazzle mid is so rancid

its actually insane

44-17 cs to the earthspirits 16-0

[last scaffold]

Dazzle getting rolled right now

[jolly crane]

ye

i mean

collapse axe carried them this game

cuz they lost everywhere else

and now its just PA gaming again

[last scaffold]

PAUSE

Dazzle needs a rapier to win this

[jolly crane]

how dont they think of puck

to counter dazzle mid

[last scaffold]

Are you saying to immune the poison wave application

[jolly crane]

ye

you just phaseshift the poison touch

and you can shove waves for rune control

problem is that most of the mids atm just get completely destroyed by poison touch

[worn drift]

Wait

Was there some good game

Oh dreamleague going on

Wtf happened to liquid god damn

[jolly crane]

PA heppened

[worn drift]

Trouble in paradise

Knocked out of the tourny

[thorny fiber]

How did they lose it?

Quin got the best start he could have asked for

2-0 at min 0 vs ES in mid

As Viper

[worn drift]

Idk but they lost like a 75 min game

[worn drift]

Problem is viper is just a garbage lane cancer hero

After lane tho hes kinda just fucking trash

So slow

[jolly crane]

the break is huge but ye

only useful against some cores

[jolly crane]

PA gaming

gotta love it

this hero

is so

stupid

mc mvp tho

but yeah idk... i dont understand why they still dont just first-phase ban PA

[last scaffold]

Love that he had a teammate get picked

Blinks in solo and kills the entire team

PA is fine

[hybrid gate]

SPOTIFY FOR THE WIN

[jolly crane]

you know its a weird and clowny meta when rtz can win a tournament

[manic ermine]

Troll ult also bugged out during rosh pit teamfight

He just froze in one place until bkb and ult expired

[jolly crane]

thats cuz

muerta used ult

troll cant attack muerta during ult

so he stands still

thats a normal interaction with troll ult and ethereal units-

[manic ermine]

Muerta was out of vision

[jolly crane]

muerta stood in the pit

[manic ermine]

I think the bug is related to them trying to fix quelling blade interaction

Because nightfall also froze in one place as troll

Amd there was no muerta that game

[jolly crane]

didnt see that, but troll standing still in that roshfight made perfect sense

he used ult, killed a hero, next target wouldve been muerta, who used ult

and no other unit was in range

[stray yew]

i havent watched in a while

but when muerta pops ult the play is to run away right

you enver ever fight into it

[stray yew]

so thats one of the matchups where whoever presses ult 1st loses?

[jolly crane]

dont think you do, no

you throw a stun on her and run as fast as you can

its like tb meta kinda

you just wanna disengage and reset the fight

okay

i havent seen that yet

what collapse just did

but holy fuck thats so good

[stray yew]

my stupid friiend alwayts says this ult is mega op

and i tell him jsut run lol

its same with tb

tb presses meta just run lol

nothing more frustrating than playing tb and you press meta and people just run away coz you have 0 stun/lockdown

[stray yew]

what did he do? was making coffee

[jolly crane]

he blocked first enemy wave

so his own wave would run under tower

[stray yew]

oh with boar or sth?

[jolly crane]

nah

with hero

[stray yew]

yee ive seen it in pubs

[jolly crane]

😄

and then when fly came to contest it

they turned on him and firstblooded

[stray yew]

people also do sentry on t2

sometimes

the one thats only visible when creeps come close

[jolly crane]

ye id assume its a known thing, just never seen it before

its like the thing that jenkins showed yday, how to find the mid ward at night time

just neat little things i didnt know

where you abuse the fact that towers have higher attack range than vision at night

so if you go barely into attackrange of tower, and get attacked, its becuase a ward has vision on you

[stray yew]

there is many things people do early on before runes spawn

so i guess you cant account for everything 😄

he couldve been mega punished for it

in some cases

its good metagaming and cool thing

happens a lot lot lot in sc1

like people doing stupid suboptimal builds on certain maps because noone expects it

damn mira on willow

is a menace

[stone geode]

for the past 3 days I forgot to watch, only remembered in the evening

[jolly crane]

well, with willow+bm, you kinda dont wanna fight into that

hawk+brambles are kinda too powerful early on

guess abed finally has to play a spirit

he doesnt know how to play

gotta love it when your carry doesnt have a TP

id really like for od/fogged to not cast shopify games, because the bias is insane

shopify managed to kill 1 tower in the entire game, yet theyre talking as if this was a close game or some shit, how they "played admirably"

[manic ermine]

Mira MVP of game 3

Did too much as willow

But also carry diff

[jolly crane]

mid dif

abed was completely useless this game

while larl played a really good pango game, despite getting counterpicked hard

[manic ermine]

Saber did make some plays at least

But the series was closer than I expected

[jolly crane]

abed missed like 90% of his rolls

[manic ermine]

OG vs bb should be a fun one

[jolly crane]

worst performance ive seen from him in a long time, seemed completely uncomfortable on the hero idk

fear is looking swole, holy fuck

[worn drift]

Wonder when ench is going to be nerfed or reworked

This hero is so unhealthy

Hero does literally everything

Because it has access to creeps

Hero has been an S tier supp for like several major patches in a row

[humble yew]

Sproink!

[manic ermine]

Sr finally in the finals

[stray yew]

@jolly crane pa lost

WHERE YOU AT NOW

[jolly crane]

Lost 1 game in all of playoffs? Wow!

[stray yew]

ye peopel figured out how to beat it

too free

[jolly crane]

hahahaha

the disruption

shopify is so awful at pushing towers

almost every game ive watched from them so far, enemy team still has t1s standing minute 30

and ofc casters dont notice that they stole their tormentor

[worn drift]

Wow BB lost to shopify

-respect wtf

[jolly crane]

abed looked useless on shaker again