DotA

[manic ermine]

For a second I thought I had stream delay

[worn drift]

nah i just

think they could pick it

[stray yew]

sd

decent into drow

but looks like sick timber game

isnt it?

[manic ermine]

Timber mid?

[stray yew]

ye

[manic ermine]

I like it

[worn drift]

ye its real good timber game

[stray yew]

i dont see anything else

oh they still go ember

anyway

damn

[worn drift]

nisha isnt very comfortable on it tho i think

[manic ermine]

Time for nisha to not buy bkb

[stray yew]

id rather not ember

[worn drift]

idk isnt this a free ember game?

[stray yew]

think snap shits on ember a bit

naa

snap rushes atos

always

[worn drift]

ye true

[stray yew]

and they have roar

rly good drow game tho

[manic ermine]

Spirit has the late game imo

[worn drift]

this is kinda a free drow game

but it is micke

low tier pos 1

[stray yew]

sd is rly good into drow

if you can land q and ult on drow

its over

hero just dies

[manic ermine]

Think liquid needs to snowball

[stray yew]

but ye tb cant play into drow

its one of these matchups

[manic ermine]

If lanes are close to even

[stray yew]

where you get 2-3 shot

[manic ermine]

It's joever

[stray yew]

coz 0 armour

a lot depends on how mid goes

• rotations

[manic ermine]

Bm can go ac to alleviate drow

[stray yew]

idk blitz sounds like such a loser

lol

they might aswell lose this

and never ever see a final again

[rugged cipher]

why did jenkins go emo mid tourney

[worn drift]

blitz always sounds depressed

[stray yew]

shows 0 confidence

[worn drift]

during interview

[stray yew]

in his team and such

[manic ermine]

Let's go spirit!

[stray yew]

they need some al pacino from any given sunday guy

not this

[worn drift]

this is insane drow game but im always betting on spirit when they in this form

if they dont lose in first 30 mins win probability just starts going in their favor

i believe

[humble yew]

[stray yew]

he rly didnt want to skill cookie

i guess

[worn drift]

cookie wouldnt even be that bad man

idk why he didnt

[stray yew]

ye idk

maybe cant get it off

into battery

not sure

[worn drift]

i believe in yatoro tb

that was first hero i saw him on back when they were still yellow submarine

[stray yew]

brood into drow

[stone geode]

tb is a little sus

[worn drift]

he solo'd game

[stray yew]

very bad

[manic ermine]

yatoro tb went god mode vs 9p

[stray yew]

sorry i mean tb into drow

is very bad

[worn drift]

just build casual platemail ez

[stone geode]

play melee form tb

[stray yew]

ac isnt that stupid of a build

vs drow

[stone geode]

strength blink

[stray yew]

on morphs/tbs

ams

[worn drift]

ah yes classic tb 1st skill

[stray yew]

ye reflection

[worn drift]

such a broken spell lmfao

[stray yew]

best lvl 1 skill in the game

right up there with fissure

huskars q

[manic ermine]

also makes late game lag

[stray yew]

you can outplay it

by typing rate 200000

then howl/reflections wont lag

i think

howl from lycan also lags the game

if you dont have rate set rly high

dont know why

[worn drift]

larl having excellent lane

[stray yew]

in console i mean

[worn drift]

same with yatoro

[stray yew]

ye he's supposed to have good lane

imo

[worn drift]

i dont think snap can have a bad lane

[stray yew]

he should even have better of alane

[worn drift]

1st spell is broken

[stray yew]

ye

its too good

it needs to be nerfed

either remove the -100 as part

or the +50% dmg close

[worn drift]

and its universal so 2 crowns means you have all the dmg you need

[stray yew]

and put it in talent

[worn drift]

but ye her 1st spell needed nerfs long time ago

[stray yew]

hard agree

[manic ermine]

collapse boar

stacks ancient and slows ember

[worn drift]

yatoro actually scaling sunder lvl 6 for a kill

[rugged cipher]

what hapend to larl, owned lane so hard

[manic ermine]

supp rotations

[worn drift]

ye

supps rotated mid and kinda ruined his lead

[stray yew]

its fine i think

because they slowed drow quite a bit

also mira

hidden carry

sorry miposhka i mean

on enchantres

[stone geode]

ench 5 is a classic

[worn drift]

ye spirit has 2 of the most cancer late heroes

snap and ench

all that matters for snap is if he can have bkb blink daedalus before he has lvl 20

or soon after he gets 20

or atleast bkb daedalus

[stray yew]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-its-okay-okay-agree-shaun-the-sheep-gif-14726843

this sd

has

interesting game

[worn drift]

its kinda insane that tb ench can just walk into enemy triangle and kill their pos 1

and they dont even trade positively on rest of map

holy

disruption into smoke

[manic ermine]

liquid still has the drowq factor

one good gust can be gamechanging

[stray yew]

ye for sure

[worn drift]

bro spirit push with just summons is fucking insane wtf

[stray yew]

bm

[worn drift]

tower had lich shield on it and still got chunked

[manic ermine]

i like goregc stream

[worn drift]

thats disgusting

[manic ermine]

different perspective on game

casters say

spirit doesnt want rosh they want hg

gorgc and s4 say

[stray yew]

they should go rosh

for sure

why not

[manic ermine]

they are baiting teleports to hg

to get rosh

[stray yew]

ye

[worn drift]

ye

they were baiting tps

[stray yew]

they dont want liquid o the map

farming

and splitting

[worn drift]

going hg with heroes would have been monumental throw

[stray yew]

they want them to comeback + be scared to leave base

coz you cant rly be sure what spirit is up to

[worn drift]

wait

where is manta on drow

wait wtf

??????????????????

[stray yew]

is it me or spirit doesnt give a fuck about tormentors

a lot

he rushed aghs

[worn drift]

ye

[stray yew]

very standard build

tbh

you must rush aghs

hyou farm so much faster

[manic ermine]

is sd tormentor good?

[worn drift]

not sure

ench torm is trash

[stone geode]

sd is dispel

[stray yew]

ye they just dont pick good shards on 5s

[rugged cipher]

what is liquid doin

[stray yew]

surpisingly

teams like bb

pick 2x good shard every game

[manic ermine]

gg as well

undyingn shard

[stray yew]

even liquid now

has 2x good shards

[worn drift]

him showing that far out on drow with no manta vs snap atos is kinda psycho tho

thats illegal

[manic ermine]

snapfire shard would be nice tho

[stray yew]

i think he needs to risk a bit sadly

they're in bad situation

[worn drift]

he doesnt really have the tools to do that i dont think

[stray yew]

an he saw many many heroes both

bot*

bot/mid

he saw everyone but snap

and snap bought enough time on her own

[worn drift]

yatoro actually just doesnt give a shit

boxi trying to setup on him

and he just stands there

[manic ermine]

yeah feels like yatoro is in his zone

[worn drift]

man this isnt even spirit critical mass

[stray yew]

i feel like even this ench

is gonna be an issue

[worn drift]

yes

ench + snap in late game

is going to be cancer

[stray yew]

and if yatoro had better carry-carry matchup id call it already

but ye this matchup is quite bad

so im not calling it yet

[agile onyx]

i just tuned back in, what's the idea of the drow here?

[manic ermine]

good vs tb

[stray yew]

you mean build

or just pick?

[worn drift]

good drow game

[agile onyx]

oh ok

[stray yew]

its decent hero in general, rly good into tb aswell

and he's doing quite standard build

midas into aghs

[manic ermine]

yatoro knows drow inside out tho

[stray yew]

is fairly normal

[manic ermine]

he's the one who brought her back to the meta

[stray yew]

ye yatoro is the reason why people play drow

he invented it

ye

[worn drift]

holy moly

thats a tilter

you bkb press all your remnants

and they force staff the guy like 3x

[agile onyx]

that

[worn drift]

stealing tormentor here is actually really good

[agile onyx]

yeah that was something

[worn drift]

lich has a great shard

[stray yew]

lich/clok have insanely good shards

[worn drift]

ye

[agile onyx]

love a good jetpack

[worn drift]

tbh drow shard is actually quite good here i think

as meme as it is

all the threats are ranged

[manic ermine]

drow is also good at just defending hg

[worn drift]

having HG advantage anywhere he wants is kinda good i think

[manic ermine]

but idk spirit has snapfire

how do you deal with that

[agile onyx]

i feel like mortimer just drops 10 kisses on ur platform

[manic ermine]

if terroblade is a menace already

[agile onyx]

and you cant stand on it

[worn drift]

ye like i said

this isnt even spirit critical mass yet

snap doesnt even have 20

or 25

[agile onyx]

did he just force himself in

[worn drift]

this drow isnt even getting to play

[agile onyx]

without using meta

[stray yew]

i think its over

but ofc they wont call it

[agile onyx]

yeah its match point

[stray yew]

get 1 or 2 next roshes

[agile onyx]

never call it

[worn drift]

has drow even hit the tb yet

[stray yew]

imagine when they get 3rd rosh

and its free aghs for shadow demon

how do you play into it

that aghanim is fucking absurd

[manic ermine]

yatoro casually piking into the middle of enemy team

no fucks given

[worn drift]

drow cant proc marksmanship if youre on top of her

okay ye

[manic ermine]

Liquid can win rosh off tho

[worn drift]

larl has all items

and hes just about to hit 20

exodia about to be online

[manic ermine]

No bb on terrorblade

[agile onyx]

what do the liquid supports even do this game?

[worn drift]

ahahaha

[agile onyx]

like they dont save

they dont stop people from hitting the guy getting roared

[stray yew]

i think yatoro fucked up

coz i think he sundered bkb

not sure

[manic ermine]

Yes sunder fuckup

[stray yew]

they just made their game harder

[stone geode]

radiant bb rosh fight

have to be careful

[manic ermine]

Yeah a lot of bb commited

[worn drift]

liquid pressed like every bb tho

[agile onyx]

i kinda like this melee form tb going on

just force urself on top of the drow

shadowblade on her

nullify so she cant force away

[worn drift]

drow needs linken

wait wtf

ACCURACY???

[agile onyx]

....

thats

so fucked up

[worn drift]

bro i didnt even know thats a thing

[agile onyx]

i didnt know the blue dinos

even had names

thats my new rikimaru counter

[manic ermine]

aegis wasted

[worn drift]

deterrent aegis

[agile onyx]

lose 6 minutes later aegis

man

[worn drift]

i just noticed

liquid really lacks hard cc

another case of no stuns dota

[agile onyx]

yeah its just clock ult and chains

[worn drift]

unreliable

bro he just got melee'd down by tb

[agile onyx]

.-.

[stone geode]

readable

[worn drift]

what the actual fuck did i just watch LMAO

[stray yew]

m1cke throw

[humble yew]

[stray yew]

or

[manic ermine]

great blink from larl

[worn drift]

ok

gg

no bb's on 3

[humble yew]

it's over

[worn drift]

gz spirit

[humble yew]

gz good dotka we love this lets go

[agile onyx]

you watched micke shadowblade onto a wave next to the gate

[thorny fiber]

micke worst carry in pro dota

[agile onyx]

and get ganked

[humble yew]

[manic ermine]

spirit just decides to win all the highest prizepool tournaments

[worn drift]

deserved 5 mil

[stone geode]

g

g

[worn drift]

insane team in insane form

[manic ermine]

well deserved

[plush pivot]

Liquid 2nd place 4 times in a row?

[agile onyx]

2nd at TI next

[manic ermine]

5th now

[thorny fiber]

stealing a living

[worn drift]

yatoro actually best carry by such a large margin in this tourny

its kinda sickening

[humble yew]

mf plays 12 pubs a day

[agile onyx]

yeah it was rly a carry dif

[humble yew]

he literally lives in dotka

[manic ermine]

i'm very happy with larl improvement

[agile onyx]

every spirit victory

[worn drift]

that last micke death

this guy just gets ran up on by 2 heroes and get tb meleed to death like what in the fuck

[thorny fiber]

its like he wanted the game to be over

[manic ermine]

yatoro tb was insane tho

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

drow was good in the carry matchup but

he needed too many items

he needs aghs but also needs manta and bkb and shit

he never even got to auto the tb

[thorny fiber]

didnt micke die like 7 times

[manic ermine]

like the dude just went into enemy jungle with full confidence

I feel like liquids trick was the naga draft

but spirit beat them

and it was over after that

[worn drift]

tsunami shouting but mic isnt on

nice 1

[thorny fiber]

bruv i cant with tsunamis interviews

[worn drift]

"how do you feel"

"Great obviously"

[thorny fiber]

its such a stupid question

[stone geode]

5m in the bag

maybe each player gets like 600k out of that

[thorny fiber]

its a hefty amount

[worn drift]

in eastern europe that is giga money

[jolly crane]

wtf happened in that last game

i look away for like 5minutes

and game is over?

[worn drift]

team spirit show

[jolly crane]

it barely started?

[stone geode]

I know its a lot of money

[worn drift]

ye they were in driver seat for 95% of the game

[stray yew]

ye it was spirit all along this game

-little bad fight on rosh

[worn drift]

drow counter pick didnt even get to attack the tb

[stray yew]

but even tho they had aegis they werent leaving base

[worn drift]

ye

[thorny fiber]

yatoro was in their heads

he will kill you wherever you are

[stone geode]

thought nightfall had some good games but he fell short when they needed to win

definitely player of the tournament on yatoro

[worn drift]

ye gap between him and next best carries was galactic

[thorny fiber]

man this tournament organization is so cringe, its like they read a book about "organizing 101" and just added a bunch of random shit

[worn drift]

but whole team was kinda in insane form

[manic ermine]

miposhka encch too strong

[thorny fiber]

was it c9 that couldnt win in the past

[worn drift]

the way they stretch the map when behind is kinda crazy

[manic ermine]

helped yatoro secure lanes in many games

[stone geode]

they won ti so you know they can blast

[thorny fiber]

liquid 🤝 c9

[manic ermine]

i think the toughest series was ts vs bb

this seemed like a breeze in comparisson

[worn drift]

ts vs bb was best series of the tourny

for me at least

[agile onyx]

liquid supports did nothing

[stone geode]

yatoro kinda chubby though

[manic ermine]

agreed

[agile onyx]

and micke got cought too many times

was basically the story of that last game

[stray yew]

ye

c9 always 2nd

[agile onyx]

like lich shield and clock cogs dont actually peel the carries

and lich ult gets eaten by creeps

[thorny fiber]

i think you can expect more from micke

in these games

[worn drift]

dunno

[thorny fiber]

obviously not always his fault he dies

[worn drift]

i dont think of micke when i think of really good carries

i think of dyrachyo nightfall and yatoro

[thorny fiber]

no but a t1 carry should be able to play better

[worn drift]

and SOMETIMES ramzes

[stone geode]

he is a versatile player but he doesnt really have the game sense/ decision making

that is very top

[thorny fiber]

not saying he is at the same level, but he has terrible read of the map

[worn drift]

lmfao

twitch chator

[stone geode]

[thorny fiber]

biggest burn

as if swedes want to be in nato

[worn drift]

i still cant believe they won with troll warlord

actual pog dota tourny finally

[thorny fiber]

they had liquids number

so they could have played

any carry

and won

0 resistance post game 1

[worn drift]

well thats not ture

game 2 and 3 went late

liquid even led early in those games iirc

[stone geode]

troll game was the real swing

after that they were done for

[manic ermine]

i think liquid ran out of ideas after they lost the naga game

[thorny fiber]

micke had 0 impact in the troll game

[manic ermine]

then they went their most powerful combo

[stone geode]

was he BS?

[thorny fiber]

ulti bot

[manic ermine]

with io lesh

[thorny fiber]

yes

[stone geode]

I forgor

[worn drift]

well

[manic ermine]

and game 4 they had nothing

[worn drift]

you can run in against trol

you have to kite him

trying to man fight troll is actual biggest mistake you can make lmao

[manic ermine]

That's why I really liked the tusk pick

[worn drift]

also idek did they build any halberds vs warlord

[manic ermine]

tusk did so much to enable troll

[worn drift]

ye tusk pick was insane

[thorny fiber]

but how do you escape from a dark seer, tusk and aa

you are stuck

[worn drift]

ye idk the spirit draft was actually really good to enable the warlord

[thorny fiber]

slowed, dragged

locked in

[manic ermine]

also the vacuum into troll cleave

was juicy

[worn drift]

like warlord is a trash hero but they made it work with other heroes

[manic ermine]

liquid just didn't play map well

[worn drift]

tusk tag team value was also insane that game with wr and troll

[thorny fiber]

pocket strat

[manic ermine]

spirit was kiting their 5 man ball

[stone geode]

its so funny you immediately know

they are speaking as if somebody died

they are going to loser interview

[manic ermine]

while collapse was free farming top for 10 mins

[worn drift]

ye spirit played map best in tourny

[thorny fiber]

i have never liked the condescending tone these interviewers have in these losers interviews

sounding like someone died

you dont get this in any other sport

[worn drift]

thats why their nw deficit while score is like fucking 4-16 was like 1-2k

[thorny fiber]

just talk normally

[manic ermine]

spirit coach be like

"if we are not behind 20k networth we will win"

[worn drift]

ye he said that before bb 1st game

and yep it happened like that

[manic ermine]

yatoro void tho

[worn drift]

they just killed them all and went throne

[manic ermine]

best i nthe world

[stray yew]

its because its too much to ask of players to behave like humans for 30s after they lost a game

they do play a moba game for a living

[stone geode]

micke void

[stray yew]

have you tried queing a game with avg people

[thorny fiber]

i mean when someone talks to me like that

it sounds disrespectful

as if i cant handle a loss

[stray yew]

well ye

i know

thats why im flaming players coz they cant even stand it for 30s

not even most basic hr

[thorny fiber]

the avo guy does this the most, he will literally almost cry for you in the losers interview

[stray yew]

idk i was more annoyed about blitz

guy everytime be like ye happy to be there

bro can you start winning something?

[stone geode]

loser mentality

[stray yew]

i bet if its not grand finalthey do much better

maybe even win

but suddenly its grand final

and idk cant win

[manic ermine]

ye blitz sounded defeated before game 4

[thorny fiber]

mikoto

[worn drift]

wait what

[stone geode]

[worn drift]

boxi top 4

[manic ermine]

i'm fine with mikoto mvp

but I think larl should be in that list

[thorny fiber]

its one way to try take the pressure off the players, but at some point these players need some demands on them

[worn drift]

how is boxi in that list

[thorny fiber]

if they want to win

wdym

he was probably the best player on liquid

and they got 2nd

nisha was better in a few games

but boxi did a lot

[worn drift]

idk i didnt watch ALL liquid games

but ones i did he wasnt anything special

[manic ermine]

boxi is liquids strongest player the entire year

[stray yew]

everyone in dota is such a pussy there is so little trashtalk game

most people only trashtalk when enemy throne is exploding

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

like antares

[manic ermine]

many of the liquids wins are thanks to boxi clutch plays

[stray yew]

only trashtalked when enemy throne is exploding

[stone geode]

sebek toxic polish guy

[thorny fiber]

ye i mean if anything its surprising zai is on it

[stray yew]

its just gonna make it more intertesting to watch

like when i see ramzes vs ccnc

its instantly more hype

[manic ermine]

trashtalking midgame means you backfire

[stray yew]

coz their beef been talked about in interviews

[manic ermine]

like rzmes tipping yatoro the entire game

[stray yew]

ye

[manic ermine]

only to be hit with a "gg ez"

[stray yew]

and then he responded back to him with smile or some shit

[thorny fiber]

OG was better at it

old OG

aggressive tipping

[worn drift]

ye OG tipped you all game and voice lined whole game

every death

5 tips

[thorny fiber]

ye

literal bastards

[worn drift]

idk why that went away

[stray yew]

like emo when he was 0-2 down

[manic ermine]

OG nerfed tipping

[stray yew]

and he all chats

[worn drift]

?

[stray yew]

when he is 0-2 down in bo5

is fucking megachad

entire eg roster

cant get a grip on themselves

after that

still to this day

they cant recover

[thorny fiber]

lmao

[worn drift]

i liked ammar mantle of int drops

[manic ermine]

then he hit them with

[worn drift]

in base

[thorny fiber]

ye i mean OG had good flame game

[manic ermine]

"let's see who the real evil genius is"

[thorny fiber]

mental warfare

[manic ermine]

and proceeds to win

[stray yew]

its not a secret some casters/analysts are scared to straight out flame the players

for their bad item choices/throwing the game

i didnt even watch

but i bet noone on desk said ye micke threw this game

played shit

[thorny fiber]

ye its always positive

[stray yew]

they said YE UNCOMMON UNDERPERFORMANCE

FROM MICKE

i didnt even need to watch

[worn drift]

russian casts will point out trash tier play/items

[stray yew]

100% they said sth like that

[manic ermine]

we need ppd on panel

[stray yew]

ye but thats way different culture

[manic ermine]

that guy doesn't hopld back

[stray yew]

us slavs

[thorny fiber]

i think faith bian said some things

[stray yew]

we're ver direct

[worn drift]

ye

its why i like watching Nix as well

[manic ermine]

faith does point out throws

[worn drift]

he can be biased

[stray yew]

faith bian gets free pass on that for sure because his english isnt absolute top notch

[worn drift]

but when people do stupid idiot shit

he calls it out

[thorny fiber]

well i also think

some pros went onto twitter

to flame casters/analysts

[stray yew]

but if he does point out then huge kudos to him

[thorny fiber]

for saying shit during games

[stray yew]

i mean ngl sometimes

[thorny fiber]

in the past

[worn drift]

ye thats some pussy shit

[stray yew]

let me put it into context

[worn drift]

what bearing does it even have on you

youre in the game

[stray yew]

you can be quinn watching game during a cast

and you think something is like that

[manic ermine]

Gorgcs streams are good to watch

[worn drift]

why do you care if caster says you did some dog shit

[stray yew]

but some team doesnt think its like that

[manic ermine]

Because they point out mistakes

[stray yew]

even pro players themselves might not know sometimes right

[manic ermine]

But aren't toxic about it

[stray yew]

ye because its mostly pros

that watch it

[thorny fiber]

ye i mean they are casters they are not pros, if so they would be playing

[stray yew]

players just need to shut the fuck up in that scenario and just play the game

do oyu see ronaldo flaming casters in football coz they said sth wrong

[thorny fiber]

nah they dont care

they are above that

they think so little of the journalists/commentators that they dont even bother

[stray yew]

go play the game go click creeps

and stop throwing the games micke too if you are angry about it

[thorny fiber]

he has never been very good

[stray yew]

i heard his issue is motivation

[thorny fiber]

very rarely see a good game from micke

[stray yew]

when it was online era he wanted to quit

coz he had little motivation to play

iirc

[thorny fiber]

you see the camera pan on him and he's just shrugging on a death, 0 mentality

[stray yew]

maybe i heard it when some liquid player was on gorgcs stream

[worn drift]

ye i think if you hear casters say you are playing bad then you shuld probably suck it up and play better???

like wtf

thats the easiest solution

just prove them wrong LMAO

[thorny fiber]

ye its fuel

but nah

same with redditors

making threads about you

fuck em

[stone geode]

reddit is the last place id read

0 value

[manic ermine]

I will never understand reddits obsession with flaming Shopify and arteezy

He's not in good shape

[worn drift]

i hope larl continues to improve

[manic ermine]

But you don't need to be permanently toxic about it

[thorny fiber]

cus lots of NA players on reddit

and they are the only NA gamers

doing something

[manic ermine]

Sometimes I feel like those ppl bet money on Shopify or something

[thorny fiber]

prob true

[manic ermine]

Because their toxicity is

[thorny fiber]

as well

[manic ermine]

Very unreasonable

[thorny fiber]

lots of betting in esports these days

[worn drift]

TO BE FAIR

betting against shopfiy is a good bet

[stone geode]

no way to tell from the outside but arteezy looks like he doesnt give a fuck anymore

[thorny fiber]

you get bad odds

[stray yew]

ye thats the only thing ill give players free pass on

the amount of idiots dming you or tweeting at you or some shit

that are gonna blame you coz you threw the game ofc

on purpose

[worn drift]

ye but its ez win

[thorny fiber]

you can get on liquid to get 2nd

[stray yew]

must be mentally straining

[thorny fiber]

easy money

[stray yew]

[manic ermine]

I guess that's the one redeeming factor about blizzard esports department

[thorny fiber]

pretty sure pros in other sports just have their team read their dms

and sort through it

they dont even engage with it

[manic ermine]

They never have betting sites as advertisers

[thorny fiber]

as in PR team

[worn drift]

for sure

i doubt ronaldo reads insta dm's/reddit/etc

[thorny fiber]

nah

[stone geode]

did you hear about ivan toney?

[thorny fiber]

ye

9 months for betting

gg

[manic ermine]

Most dota pros don't read social media either

[stone geode]

brentford gambling shirt sponsor this season

xddddddddd

[thorny fiber]

well i think dota pros are more likely to get tilted from reading some shit

[manic ermine]

I heard it on gorgcs stream that the golden rule for pro players is to ignore social media

[thorny fiber]

literally seen TI competitors start petty arguments on twitter

[manic ermine]

Seems like larl did exactly that

Because that guy received a lot of hate early on

[thorny fiber]

larl just needed time to gel with spirit

now he also knows he is just there to support the god

[worn drift]

i hope he continues to improve

hes still their weakest player i think

[thorny fiber]

make yatoro game easier, win every game

[worn drift]

but by less of a margin now

[manic ermine]

I mean larl also won lanes vs the best midlaners

[thorny fiber]

ye

[manic ermine]

Nisha, quinn etc

Even sumail

[thorny fiber]

must be nice to play with a guy like yatoro tho

[manic ermine]

But his team play is better than any other mid this tournament imo

[thorny fiber]

he had some insane shackles

its probably the hero he had most impact on for me

[stone geode]

ye

[manic ermine]

His snap was insane as well

[thorny fiber]

this snap game wasnt anything speical

literally won on the back of yatoro

like it wasnt bad

[manic ermine]

Not this

[thorny fiber]

but it wasnt great either

[stone geode]

he tried to make stuff happen too much and died a lot

[manic ermine]

I mean entire tournament

[worn drift]

nah he did good this game

productive ults and atos uses

hit the snap 20 timing that is required

[stone geode]

2.5 months until TI

[worn drift]

he did all that was required of him

[manic ermine]

He also won lane

[thorny fiber]

sure but if you put larl in liquid he wont change the outcome

[stray yew]

patch soon

[thorny fiber]

yatoro is the game winner

[stray yew]

CRUCIAL balance changes

[worn drift]

ye i mean yatoro is the best insurance policy in the world rn

[manic ermine]

Patch is confirmed this August

7.34

[worn drift]

always pays off

[stone geode]

I always wanna start playing dota after watching a tournament

[worn drift]

if you make game go long enough you will win

[manic ermine]

I think talon can match spirit late game tho

[thorny fiber]

i would play more dota if i wasnt forced to play with my 2 irl friends

1 of which sucks ass

so our games are always shit

would rather solo queue

but get guilt tripped into playing

[manic ermine]

Just solo queue

[stone geode]

I cba playing solo

[thorny fiber]

problem is the mmr diff

[stone geode]

but im washed up big time at this point

[thorny fiber]

and you have these wild games

with different ranks

[worn drift]

nah

[thorny fiber]

23cabbage wishes he was yatoro

[worn drift]

i didnt even see much late game proficiency from talon they actually played more aggro than most teams i think

then they also lost to liquid purely off macro play

[thorny fiber]

thats my issue too, probably need like a week of constant playing to feel good about the gameplay

[stone geode]

I havent played since 2016

[thorny fiber]

[stone geode]

so I have like 0 muscle memory left

[thorny fiber]

i havent played the new map yet

which is daunting

to LOGIN

[stone geode]

used to play with some irl friends jsut non ranked because of skill disparity

[thorny fiber]

talon was shit in the lower bracket final

[stone geode]

1 was good the rest were pretty bad

[manic ermine]

It's worth playing, meta is pretty fun

[stone geode]

all I know it said very high skill matchmaking on dotabuff

[manic ermine]

Just ban legion or bara and you're good to go

[thorny fiber]

ye i mean none of my friends will play unranked

they literally refuse

"no point playing then"

ok bro

[manic ermine]

I play unranked only with my wow guildie
But unranked solo queue is despair

[thorny fiber]

and then get giga upset when we lose cus they have weird expectations of their own ability

[stone geode]

id probably get into it pretty quickly if I had someone to play with that knows stuff

I did play a few games last year so I did set up new hotkeys and stuff

[thorny fiber]

get it

[stone geode]

there is tech now that wasnt there before

im used to A clicking last hits and denies

[worn drift]

i dont understand getting upset at dota unless there is a game ruiner

[thorny fiber]

last time i played a lot of dota it was fucking full of russian bot accounts or russian boosters, at least at my rank and it just became too much

[worn drift]

or theres like a smurf in the game or something

[manic ermine]

Russians are fine you just learn to live with them

[worn drift]

game is really fun win or lose if its fair skill 5v5 with everyone trying their best

[stone geode]

I tried the right click to last hit and it also resets the swing

felt weird but its probably used these days

[thorny fiber]

not when they pick meepo and crush you

[stray yew]

i think if you party queue its very smurf heavy

solo q is hit or miss

lots of imbalanced games coz you have smurf or enemies do

[manic ermine]

Mega meepo is strong in pubs atm

[stray yew]

so its over before it started

[thorny fiber]

ye thats what killed it for me

knowing that its just facking over

not good enough to punish smurfs

[stone geode]

I played a few games and I felt real bad for trying to pick anything important so I mostly went with pos5

but im not a support player

[manic ermine]

Also solo queue unranked can be despair when you get matched with parties

Like you wanna practice pos 1

But almost every single game

[thorny fiber]

play 3 or 4

instead

[manic ermine]

"yo we are party can we safelane?"

[stone geode]

I used to play 1 or 3 before

my other good friend played mid

[thorny fiber]

ye i used to play mid when i played a lot

or carry

then gradually went to offlane

cus old

[worn drift]

one thing i can always go for is a nice PA game

[thorny fiber]

i cant win with that hero

probably playing it too aggro

[stone geode]

I liked playing pos3 and when we had 2 on the same lane we played some cunt combo

[worn drift]

this was my last game on her

[manic ermine]

Offlane is in a good state atm

[worn drift]

my db griefed my items

[manic ermine]

Decent hero variety

[worn drift]

this guy buys deso

[thorny fiber]

is muerta just a shit hero or what

not picked at all

[worn drift]

nah

[manic ermine]

I just spam razor and primal on offlane ]

[thorny fiber]

this tournament

[worn drift]

she is quite powerful

[manic ermine]

Muerta in pubs is good

Very kiteable in tournaments

[worn drift]

having free ghost scepter on ult is pretty insane

[thorny fiber]

i like razor

[worn drift]

i just dont think people know how to incorporate it into their game yet

[thorny fiber]

watch her get buffed

in aug patch

[manic ermine]

Pros also buy halberd for her

If she ults +bkb

[stone geode]

used to random a lot as well but these are my most played

[manic ermine]

They kite

If she ults without bkb

They halberd

[stone geode]

only have around 1100 games

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

i used to

enjoy a little bit of meepo

[thorny fiber]

morph

[worn drift]

i had to stop playing him tho

because people would just report me for "smurfing"

and i already had shit behavior score

[stray yew]

ofc its mega fun to play

[worn drift]

so couldnt get it back up

was very annoying

smurfing/scripting

[humble yew]

[worn drift]

cancer report

[stone geode]

sniper and AM are my most played cores

[manic ermine]

Why pick morph when you can pick jugg and just autoattack to victory

[worn drift]

my most played hero is void spirit

[thorny fiber]

i am sure thats why 18 year old dk had bad behavior score

[thorny fiber]

vlad the impaler

[stone geode]

well pos1s

[stray yew]

jugg is my best hero historically

[worn drift]

bro i already said it was low to begin with

[thorny fiber]

ait ait

[worn drift]

i was trying to get it back up

[manic ermine]

Jugg this patch is really good

[worn drift]

but these bastards were just report spamming

[stone geode]

I have like 10-20 games on all heroes

[stray yew]

quite decent too

[worn drift]

ye jugg lvl 20 talent is absolutely insane

[stone geode]

not really specialized into anything

[worn drift]

i had a game where enemy jugg hit lvl 20 and we no longer could kill him

[stray yew]

@humble yew

im ethical

[worn drift]

he just stood and man fought

[thorny fiber]

had a decent unranked game on VS right after the universal changes

[stray yew]

losing more than i win

but i got a lot better at hero

recently

so im actually winning

[worn drift]

VS after universal

[manic ermine]

I remember just standing as jugg in monkey ult

Cleaving 3 enemy heroes

[thorny fiber]

ye it was.. pre vs nerfs

sadge

[manic ermine]

And killing them all

[worn drift]

i spammed a lot of VS when i played rank back in day

[stray yew]

wtf

[worn drift]

but i didnt go cringe euls build

[stray yew]

i used to play this quite a lot

[worn drift]

i was a orchid deso lover

[stray yew]

decent w/r

[stone geode]

most fun game ive had in the brief stint last year

pos5 ench

spectre carry

[thorny fiber]

how do i even see the amount of games i have

[worn drift]

lifetime stats on dotabuff

[thorny fiber]

ye

i have 2600 games

more than i expected

been a while since i played a lot

[worn drift]

but ye ever since i got my behavior score up to regular human status whenever i randomly decide to play i get decent games

win or lose usually pretty enjoyable

[thorny fiber]

nice

i should prob just care less about losing

and it will be fun

[worn drift]

for me its jsut

if its actually a quality game

idrc

[stone geode]

I just didnt have fun playing pos5 in shit games

my jugg afk first 2 mins

in the fountain

[worn drift]

dota for me is best game in the world by a large margin if its actual fairish 5v5 with people trying their best

always a blast

[thorny fiber]

ye

when the game is good

its really good

[stone geode]

out of 1100 games I have solo queue is about 20

[thorny fiber]

but for me when the game is bad i want to kill someone

[worn drift]

yee

if youre game is real bad as pos 1 can be aggravating

[thorny fiber]

typically when everyone except this 1 huge ego guy is having a good game

he doesnt

so he decides that the game is over

[worn drift]

that PA game i got owned in lane f.ex

[thorny fiber]

and starts to throw it

[worn drift]

fucking snap silencer was cancer

snap actually maxed lil shredder

and was just fucking deleting me

[thorny fiber]

sounds like hell

[worn drift]

but luckily team made space and i got items

[thorny fiber]

so theres no dota tourney for 2 months now

[worn drift]

think so

[thorny fiber]

wild

[rugged cipher]

secret tech until ti during new aptch

[thorny fiber]

you cant kick players right

so liquid cant get rid off micke

[rugged cipher]

u can

u lose 20% dpc points though

[thorny fiber]

they still qualify

[rugged cipher]

but they should be quaeld anyawy

[thorny fiber]

but prob wont do it

[stone geode]

who would they get though

[thorny fiber]

idk

[stone geode]

it kinda fits in with nisha having a less prominent pos1

nisha had a mediocre tournament imo

[rugged cipher]

[worn drift]

these bonuses are kinda neat

[stone geode]

micke was kinda bad

the void game vs talon

was just ???

[thorny fiber]

this entire series

was a big questionmark

[rugged cipher]

what the fuck is most creative fans

[worn drift]

no clue tbh

[rugged cipher]

and why are they getting more than tourney mvp

[thorny fiber]

they made art

for their team

[worn drift]

cause tourny mvp is 1 guy

[humble yew]

ok you're getting away with it this time

[worn drift]

its funny 3 majors < 1 riyadh

[thorny fiber]

ye

[worn drift]

even with GG placing 4th i think this puts TS at #1 for 2023 winnings so far

[stone geode]

arab oil money is too big

[rugged cipher]

ti prizepool announcement when

[thorny fiber]

GG just straight up made less money this season cus of it

[thorny fiber]

for sure

liquid 2nd

[rugged cipher]

i mean kinda like ti every season jsut without ti

[thorny fiber]

gg 3rd

[worn drift]

4th

talon 3rd

[thorny fiber]

no crowdfunding TI

will it have the same hype

riyadh would have been S tier if they actually had a fucking crowd

[worn drift]

ye

[thorny fiber]

kinda sad it was just 100 ppl or something

[rugged cipher]

was well ran

[thorny fiber]

games were great