DotA

[jolly crane]

😄

[stray yew]

nono talon isnt picking morph

talon has pos 1 already

its mk

they need pos 2

[jolly crane]

oh ye ig

could be support mk

[stray yew]

ok im confused

[jolly crane]

🙂

[stray yew]

actually i missed snap

my bad

snap is mid ofc

[jolly crane]

but ye

[stray yew]

i mean

they will pick medusa

[jolly crane]

bristle would actually work here, but itll suffer against DS early

[stray yew]

no shot

medusa is mega giga countered

absolute unplayable medusa game

for gg

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

et/darkseer

[jolly crane]

idk id go drow

you play lance

[stray yew]

razor maybe

[thorny fiber]

Go bristle again

Mfers

[stray yew]

morph

what

[agile onyx]

called it

[jolly crane]

this is

[stray yew]

bro morph

[jolly crane]

not a good morph game

[stray yew]

into ET

thats not free

[jolly crane]

you play morph into ds lane and into ET

[stray yew]

one of og counters

[thorny fiber]

Maybe its comfort pick

[stray yew]

its lesser evil

i think

coz i dont think dyrachyo likes playing morph

[thorny fiber]

Really

[stray yew]

ye he said it during interview

last major or dreamleague

that he dislikes it

[thorny fiber]

Ah

Didnt he carry some game real hard as morph

[stray yew]

ye

he did

against uhm

tundra maybe

[thorny fiber]

In their first lb game

Ye

[stray yew]

he did carry the shit out of that game

but this is rough rough morph game

et very hard

[thorny fiber]

Rooting for talon

[agile onyx]

ET means MK can actually shred him, but idk, their lockdown for morph isnt great imo

[stray yew]

and its not that insane into MK i think

mk is just much faster

than morph

hope he doesnt go stupid bf build

but some midas into fighting items straigth away

[jolly crane]

its not just ET into morph, its also a lineup where no one wants to buy AC

[stray yew]

oh ye this purple motherfucker

[agile onyx]

yeah ive been liking the midas into echo build a lot of people have been doing

[stray yew]

loves playing into morph

[jolly crane]

cuz i dont think pitlord will get it

[stray yew]

getting double morph illusions

= very good

[jolly crane]

if you ever catch the morph with punch

+ET

he just dies

[stray yew]

ye no kidding

idk i feel like there was better hero than morph

id rather drow i think

[agile onyx]

was slark banned?

like, i think the idea of morph is that he can weave in and out of fights well

dodge ET spells, kite out the mk

i feel like slark could have done that better though

[stray yew]

he needs bkb

it works on natural order

[agile onyx]

cause slark would be a worse clone to get from DS

[stray yew]

but definitely one of harder morph games out theere

slark was banner

banned*

[agile onyx]

ok

[stray yew]

bs was banned

sven was banned

sven wasnt a horrendous one there either

naix idk

or lycan pos 1 maybe

wasnt that horrible

[agile onyx]

has naix been picked once?

i havent seen him in months

[stray yew]

doubt, think hero is dead

but its dyrachyo special

[agile onyx]

rip

[stray yew]

he plays it

maybe weas picked

and if it was probably by gg in some grp stage

[agile onyx]

i think lycan can get locked down in this game too easily

[stone geode]

naix was picked in a few games and it actually won

[stray yew]

ye 6 times

[agile onyx]

like he doesnt have a dash, gets fucked by cogs

oh huh

i missed those

yeah naix could have been ok. storm is a classic delivery system, still kind of gets fucked by cogs though

[stray yew]

also they'd love something that builds somewhat fast nulli

on gg

rly insane into dark seer/et

but especiallyy dark seer

[agile onyx]

oh yeah

[stray yew]

on the othet hand talon doesnt have easy break

which they also need for underlord imo

but maybed its ok coz you get your own underlord aura

[agile onyx]

yeah their best silver edge buyer is snap?

[stray yew]

mk i think

[agile onyx]

mk doesnt rly like silver edge

[stray yew]

not sure honestly

[agile onyx]

cause he stalks around with tree dance

[stray yew]

snap kinda wants daedalus for lvl 20 spike

[rugged cipher]

talon got this

[stray yew]

im not gonna say anything coz jinx

[rugged cipher]

23savage can just stand up already

[stray yew]

good items queued on mk at least

was like sabre/maelstrom/bkb/skadi

solid choice

no bfury rtz stupidity

quinn: im not playing throne it up

[thorny fiber]

Quin tilt

[stray yew]

what happened with pango

[thorny fiber]

I want a liquid talon rematch

Gonna be hype

[stray yew]

was he banned

or people dont fancy pango anymore?

[thorny fiber]

Dont remember

Seen it lose a lot

[rugged cipher]

should be banned, quin owned bb with it

[thorny fiber]

Lately

Bro this clock is doing work

[rugged cipher]

QUIN

[thorny fiber]

Underrated hero

[stray yew]

nah its not that much underrated

[rugged cipher]

he about to run it down mid

[stray yew]

people just dont value it if its not paired with darkseer

and ds is pretty much always banned

[thorny fiber]

Fair

[stray yew]

some teams even 1st phase ban him

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[stray yew]

but if not 1st phase he is always 2nd phase banned

one of more contested picks

[thorny fiber]

Spicy alien boi

[stray yew]

aura items good items

[thorny fiber]

7.34 gon make it right

Surely

[agile onyx]

what is pitlord building? i hope its something like crimson pipe

[thorny fiber]

Ace the lord of auras

[stray yew]

ye auras

always auras

he will be nulli builder for his team too

he did it some previous game

on underlord

[agile onyx]

man this pitlord actually needs

so much gold

[stray yew]

id be so tilted

[agile onyx]

needs to build all the auras and a nullifier

[thorny fiber]

Man

Not getting to play ur duxking character

[agile onyx]

do you think 23 maintains his perfect game?

[thorny fiber]

He is gonna prematurely celebrate

And die stupidly

[agile onyx]

we are going to watch the throw of the century

Divine MK diving fountain

[thorny fiber]

Idk if this would be a ridiculous comeback

Its like 5k nw diff

[agile onyx]

i was about to say thats a lot at 10 minutes

but its 20

wtf

time flies when ur doing things on ur second monitor

[worn drift]

snap lvl 20 going to win this game

[agile onyx]

how does normal punch work? is it like walrus punch where it can be cast or auto cast?

cause im wondering if the DS ever builds a silver edge

[stray yew]

i think it always auto casts

its not a choice

[agile onyx]

and punches the pit lord

[worn drift]

i believe its just passive

and always casts on your melee

[stray yew]

it just always uses on 1st auto attack

yea its passive

[worn drift]

just has a cd

[stray yew]

it even works with defiant shell

its kjinda busted

wih defiant shell

[agile onyx]

ok nice

[worn drift]

ye

[stray yew]

coz you counter even in stuns

or chrono

[worn drift]

yep

happened in this tourny

[stray yew]

fucking hilarious

[worn drift]

void chronos ds

hits

insta stunned

too funny

[agile onyx]

thats fucked up

[stray yew]

i think you always make an illusion

even through bkb

but no stun

meh

rly bad spell casting

[worn drift]

uh oh

[thorny fiber]

Talon

[worn drift]

dyrachyo online

[thorny fiber]

Notlikethis

[agile onyx]

what the hell happened this game

[worn drift]

man monkey king

[thorny fiber]

This guy may not like morph, but he pops off every time he plays it

[worn drift]

this hero is so bad

[stray yew]

idk think its rubick buying mega space

[worn drift]

if you dont get insane value arena

you just suck

[thorny fiber]

Probably

[agile onyx]

the rubick shard

[stray yew]

and talon just using spells real bad

[agile onyx]

has been so good

[worn drift]

yea

[agile onyx]

lifted like 3 people out of range for vac

[worn drift]

theyre baiting bkbs well too

nice troll quinn

[rugged cipher]

23

[worn drift]

why is quinn jumping further with 0 mana

[rugged cipher]

cus kotl giff mana

[worn drift]

just gets chain cc'd

[thorny fiber]

Kotl!

Ive played a game with the guy making those videos

Randomly in a pub

[stray yew]

snap dd

[thorny fiber]

He is not very good

[stray yew]

[agile onyx]

oh he actually built butterfly

[stone geode]

monkey should have in built mkb

[worn drift]

[stray yew]

is this guy playing titan 1st time

or what

i have not seen him hit ult once

on one hero

[stone geode]

ye, forgot titan was in the game

[stray yew]

ok this snap

[worn drift]

iiight

[stray yew]

is mega chad

[worn drift]

thats a gg

[agile onyx]

man

[rugged cipher]

STAND UP

[agile onyx]

rosh bash into normal punch

thats gotta feel bad

[stray yew]

dyrachyo bashed

into hex

[agile onyx]

oh boy its ninja gear time

my bets on 7

[stray yew]

they're just hiding in base

[agile onyx]

its less than 7 :<

[jolly crane]

snap 25

[stray yew]

ye but no rapier yet

smh

[thorny fiber]

23savage against his biggest enemy

Micke

Will he get to celebrate for real this time

[jolly crane]

2 morph illusions

[thorny fiber]

Easy game

[stray yew]

that was 33 play

to just back away and illusions kill it

ngl

[jolly crane]

ye i mean

when you have 2 agi morph illusions

let them do their thing

[stray yew]

well they lastpicked into it

which i think was mistake

[jolly crane]

ye

this is

impossible morph game

[stray yew]

darkseer loves getting morph illus

[jolly crane]

and quinn has no impact

[stray yew]

very hard one for sure

nah quinn is having impact tbh

he plays fine

[rugged cipher]

moneky gonna die without bb now

[jolly crane]

he starts most teamfights

[stray yew]

besides that one time he didnt bkb

[jolly crane]

with 20% mana

[stray yew]

he rly needs to paly on edge

and risky

[jolly crane]

like, their last 3 teamfights

he had no mana

[stray yew]

in their position

[jolly crane]

no buyback

idk

[rugged cipher]

snap also buys for no bb

[thorny fiber]

Fort??

Interesting

[stray yew]

ye this gamei s mega over

they will rosh and just win

[worn drift]

feel like snap 20 and 25 talent gonna get removed in next major patch

[agile onyx]

cleave ET pog

[jolly crane]

nah

[thorny fiber]

Probably

[stray yew]

ye that lvl 20 talent is mega absurd stupidity

[jolly crane]

its a clear win condition

[worn drift]

you buy daedalus and have absurd physical burst

[jolly crane]

and levels are hard to get in dota nowadays

[worn drift]

idk

[jolly crane]

so she doesnt hit it that early

[worn drift]

it looks broken in every game i watch

[jolly crane]

well because shes hitting a morph with 0 armor

or a support

[worn drift]

every game i watch seli

not just this one

[jolly crane]

snap is typically paired with ET tho

but ye i mean

obviously she shreds

[stray yew]

its every game

its not et

its every game

its impossible to close games into turtling snap too

[jolly crane]

getting snap to that point isnt easy

[stray yew]

if you dont close somewhat stompy game before lvl 20 on enemy snap

[worn drift]

you have bkb, daedalus and blink

[stray yew]

ye but look

[jolly crane]

so i think its fine~ish

[stray yew]

avg games last 40 minutes nowadfays

if not more

[jolly crane]

i think her early nuke potential is too high

[worn drift]

you have most insane follow up burst

cause its phys

[jolly crane]

make her weaker in early

[stray yew]

its not that hard to be lvl 20 in 40-45 minute game

[stone geode]

that one BB game with gpk and 2 rapiras on snap

[worn drift]

so bkb literally irrelevant

[jolly crane]

dont make her only strength weak too, then tis a 0% pickrate hero

[stray yew]

ye her q is overtuned for laning stage

it does like 100 damage lvl 1

+50% close

and -100 attack speed

[worn drift]

her lvl 20 talent is worthy of being 25 lmao

[stray yew]

lol

wtf is that nuke

[jolly crane]

fact you can clear a wave with 1 spell

is stupid

[worn drift]

ye her Q is a broken spell early on too

gives her ability to flash farm

[jolly crane]

i dont like nerfing the things heroes are good at

make their weaknesses worse

if someone picks a snap firstpick and you play a 50 minute game

thats kinda on you

(in a world with more viable heroes, ofc)

clock had tiem to hex there

would be great storyline though, if talon comes back from LB and wins

[thorny fiber]

Stand up!

[worn drift]

ig this is the power of mk

[thorny fiber]

Mr cabbage

[worn drift]

arena the base and win

[stray yew]

holy fuck

kill someone

[jolly crane]

quinn not having aghanims is weird to me this game

btw

[thorny fiber]

Rematch pog

[jolly crane]

isnt that half the reason you play the hero?

[worn drift]

ye

i was just thinking that btw lmao

why does storm haev no aghs

storm aghs into morph copied boundless strike

into pit firestorm

[jolly crane]

like, what does storm do in a lategame fight like this

[agile onyx]

idk i was thinking other things storm was lacking everytime i saw him

[jolly crane]

nothing

[worn drift]

ye all he was doing is just

zip

vortex

nothing happens

good impact

[rugged cipher]

lets go talon

[jolly crane]

everytime i see a storm i think its underwhelming

[worn drift]

same

[jolly crane]

think out of 10 games, storm looks good like one of them

[worn drift]

he has to have a disgusting early game to actually look good

[jolly crane]

holy toothgap

[agile onyx]

storm next to 3 full hp enemies -> why does storm have no mana? or AoE vortex? or do anything at all?

[worn drift]

but no one has a disgusting early game on him anymore

cause supports just coddle the mid laners for first 10 mins

[jolly crane]

also

tsunami holds the mic weird

in these interviews

[thorny fiber]

Spirit vs Talon would be a hype matchup

[jolly crane]

spirit not rich enough

need to win another

[worn drift]

prize pool big, time to try

CIS special

[thorny fiber]

Gotta pay for the vodka somehow

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

idek how good spirit is atm

actually

[thorny fiber]

Spirit is just good at the things thats good in big nervy tournaments

[worn drift]

need to go watch the bo3 vs liquid

[stone geode]

couple million euros goes a long way in russia/ukraine

[thorny fiber]

Some teams got that thing

[worn drift]

ye i mena

[thorny fiber]

Some teams are good at winning low impact majors

[worn drift]

the way they navigated the game from behind vs BB

reminded me of a more sloppy PSG from ti10 season

where they kinda just play from behind all game, split the map really hard

and then just win in the end

[thorny fiber]

Psg was peak Guardiola syndrome that TI. Those who know they know

[worn drift]

that was xiao8 322

[thorny fiber]

Drafting themselves into losses

[stray yew]

what is guardiola syndrome

[thorny fiber]

Guardiola used to do the same in soccer

[worn drift]

imagine seeing collapse on magnus in that tourny and willingly giving it to them

theres no way xiao8 wasn't 322

[thorny fiber]

Couldnt win Champions league for years cus he kept doing weird stupid shit after reaching deep into the tourney

Finally did it this year tho, curse broken

[stray yew]

i watched that final

lukaku gifted him that

[worn drift]

but ye that 1st and 3rd game vs BB was insane

[stray yew]

[thorny fiber]

Ye lukaku was actually an agent paid off by UAE

In that game

[stray yew]

ngl i wouldnt tell that lukaku straight to face

guy would m urder me

[thorny fiber]

Hahah ye

[stray yew]

(step over me is more realsitic)

he wouldnt even notice me

[thorny fiber]

Just an ant

[stray yew]

guy looks like fucking machine

[thorny fiber]

Is tofu crying

[stray yew]

im not watching at least

watched too much panel because of breaks

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[stray yew]

i rly like they bring pros on panel

like this panel

is kinda insane

fear/faith bian/stormstormer

[worn drift]

ye fear is pog

[stray yew]

absolute legend

[worn drift]

feels like spirit is the team that has actually given undying all his losses this tourny

[stray yew]

hero lost qauite a bit but i guess you mean playoffs

sounds very possible tho

only game i remember hero losing was some spirit game today

[worn drift]

bb lost with it too against spirit

[thorny fiber]

Stormstormer is very wholesome

[worn drift]

spirit beat it twice actually vs bb

[thorny fiber]

They beat liquid once with it today

As well

[worn drift]

ye

[thorny fiber]

But i think liquids undying record is like 2-4

Not exactly amazing

[worn drift]

but ye most of losses of undying in playoffs was to spirit

they have 75% win rate vs it

[thorny fiber]

That makes todays liquid strat even more weird

They didnt really pick undying until today

And then decided to make it a priority against the team that beats it

They had 3 undying games before this series

Almost doubled it

[agile onyx]

they over adapted to the meta or something

[worn drift]

probably wanted to crush early game and try to end super early

because taking spirit to late game seems like a losing battle

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Spirit tried to rat them in the first game

Which went kinda late

Liquid still won

And then just got rolld over in the 2 next games

Boxi, Uppsalas pride gonna bring it home tomorrow

And i will wait for him at the bus station

As the only fanboy in the city

[stray yew]

are you actually from same city as boxi?

arent you norwegian and he is swedish?

[thorny fiber]

I am swedish

[stray yew]

or did i just offend you

if i did im sorry

[thorny fiber]

Yes

[stray yew]

ha en bra dag ofc

[thorny fiber]

Lmao sure

[stray yew]

i have sanest interactions with fellow swedes

can ask @jolly crane

favourite swedish word - tjockis

[thorny fiber]

My friend is a teacher and knows boxis parents or some shit, really batchest stuff

Tjockis is a good one

[jolly crane]

sebbe is honorary swede and dane

[stray yew]

[thorny fiber]

What a mix

[stray yew]

im actually learning a bit of danish now

[jolly crane]

lets not forget that your favorite swedish word for a while was babbe, okay?

[stray yew]

true

but he is gone

[jolly crane]

havent talked to cozy in a while

[stray yew]

danish is mega doomed

pronounciation is super difficult idk if just for me or in general

swedish pronounciation is 'easier' i think

[thorny fiber]

It is ye

Danes have some weird D pronounciation and gurgle sounds

Frederik-> fraurik

Like pls

[rugged cipher]

they bring out AM

wait its actually a pos3 am

[rugged cipher]

some counter throws in this game

[stone geode]

thats megas lmao

[stray yew]

mk threw this game

[stone geode]

mk is a shit hero, change my mind

[thorny fiber]

23 didnt play well at all

Seemed rattled

Weird bkbs, didnt get ult off

Spammed voicelines tho

Micke living rent free

[manic ermine]

Just ban medusa

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Should get nerfed again

Idk how they fix her

The shield absorb per mana maybe

[stray yew]

medusa ban

expected

after they lost g1

liquid will just morph

wont they

why wouldnt talon ban it

[thorny fiber]

LD

Monkers

Morph last?

Or ban

[plush pivot]

my favourite hero!

I love ld

used to play it and win hard lave 1vs3

[stray yew]

they even ban AA

[thorny fiber]

Last pick is 5 or

For talon

[stray yew]

drow

weird

but fine too

[plush pivot]

LD mid?

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Micke doesnt play it

[stray yew]

id rather see morph as 1 i think

[thorny fiber]

I think Liquid can get ran over, micke hasnt been playing the best this tournament and might just flop every fight

[stray yew]

into void

[plush pivot]

lc no duel damage

[thorny fiber]

Rough game

[stone geode]

awful series by talon so far

[thorny fiber]

Ye idk, they look so much worse than yday

[plush pivot]

burned all on drow and LD is just destroying buildings

[thorny fiber]

Yikes

Not even a duel win

[plush pivot]

-2 lanes at 20 mins mark

[stray yew]

this is mega giga ovr

[thorny fiber]

Big diff this series

[stone geode]

looking like a t3 team here

[thorny fiber]

Always sad when some teams seem like they are satisfied with top 3

Playing like garbage

[stone geode]

this is the worst series of the tournament

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Unironically

Wtf

[manic ermine]

Very bad draft from talon

[thorny fiber]

2 bad drafts

[worn drift]

Oh yikes

2-0 in less than an hour

[thorny fiber]

2 stomps

More or less

[worn drift]

Weird

Talon fighting for their lives then get 2-0 stomped by team they had beat in upper brackets

322

[thorny fiber]

They got heavily outdrafted

[worn drift]

Ye i noticed am 3

[thorny fiber]

Well they tried to counter medusa with all their picks

And then didnt do anything to medusa

[worn drift]

What pick was am

Coulda just sent monkey 4

[thorny fiber]

Am was like 8 overall?

2nd pick phase iirc

Or i mean 1st

Liquid picked medusa instantly

[worn drift]

[stone geode]

https://twitter.com/SingSing/status/1685422670777585664

Sing (@SingSing)

talon is so f good

Likes

555

Twitter · Jul 29, 2023, 10:50 PM

[stray yew]

the picks went undying 1st pick from talon - medusa/et for liquid and then am response from talon

monkey king was absdolute last pick of th egame

i think

[worn drift]

Okay they deserve that loss

Actual troll drafting

[stray yew]

that am response was good

but mk last pick useless

didnt do anything

[plush pivot]

is MK even good? watching matches I felt like it has to be combined with mars arena in the same place

[stray yew]

i feel like hero is bad yea

always loses

and when wins its not because of it

but just happens to be in the game

[manic ermine]

https://twitter.com/OGesports/status/1685656426838933504

OG (@OGesports)

Retirement is just THAT boring.

#RiyadhMasters was not enough, @Ceb is back on the team (Again).

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 30, 2023, 2:19 PM

[plush pivot]

addicted to competing

[worn drift]

Ye mk pick when they have am solidifies the loss

Am pick is fine

But choosing to run it 3 and mk 1 is ????

Also ye i agree mk is just not good hero

Its best use is putting arena on throne for win

[stray yew]

i swear whenever i play mk mysdelf

i put ult

and enemy heroes just kill me in my ult

because its like slark or some other stupid hero with inf damage

and you feel mega scammed

you pop ult like that thats supposed to make you mega strong and shit

and people just bonk you

[worn drift]

Whenever i play mk i drop arena and they just walk out

And thats what i see 90% of time in pro play

Mk drops arena and heroes leave it and then he just stands in it for awhile as a deterrent

And hes bkb’d up as well

Then he walks away

I wonder how good it would be if he had a talent or like aghs for bkb while casting and for whole duration of arena while being inside

[manic ermine]

naga offlane

[stray yew]

people would run even harder from it @worn drift

[worn drift]

Need a mars arena type mechanic as a talent where you can’t leave unless spell immune

[stone geode]

was something in the food at the venue today

[plush pivot]

was that BM by snap?)

[worn drift]

Surely it wont just be 5-0 liquid today

[agile onyx]

I can't believe how that game went

[manic ermine]

outdraft

[worn drift]

Ye wtf is this aa ench

0 stuns supps

0 stun dota

[agile onyx]

Just 0 ways to punish the greediest draft in history

[worn drift]

Did liquid ban bloodseeker

[worn drift]

Spirit

Altho snapfire broken hero = gg

Is bat supposed to solo kill snap

Those events up top were omega bad

Void off death tps in and dies again

Timber tps in dies

[manic ermine]

Yatoro void is a treat to watch

[stone geode]

lets go spirit

[stray yew]

ye that hero is dumb

lvl 20/25

absolute stupidity

[manic ermine]

Spirit ended it before snapfire could pop off

But man

Nisha hit his shredder once

Amd it was immediate impact

@stray yew is this a slark game for spirit?

[stray yew]

nah think no

you dont rly wanna play slark into lesh

not that great matchup

liquid might pick shadow demon

rly good into dark seer/wr

ok bs

not bad either

[manic ermine]

What carry spirit goes?

Naga?

[stray yew]

not sure if drow is decent

nah naga rly bad into lesh

idk honestly

drow looks playable but not insane

[manic ermine]

I assume pl won't cut it either

Jugg ban

[stray yew]

slark is VERY very very bad

[manic ermine]

Drow seems good

[worn drift]

Ts have pretty good heroes so far

Aa good answer to wisp as well

[stray yew]

i dont see yatoro hero

[manic ermine]

But drow aa feels very brittle lane

[stray yew]

besdies drow maybe

but not very happy with it either

ye

illu heroes mega bad

slark mega bad

[worn drift]

Pa time

[stray yew]

and they'd love to pick strong laner

morph maybe but its not insane

ck i was thinking about like panel

[manic ermine]

Yatoro morph is pretty good

[stray yew]

ok troll

[manic ermine]

Woah

[stray yew]

ye its 2-1 for liquid

[worn drift]

Did they reallt pick troll

Gg

Useless trash hero

[manic ermine]

Well if there's one carry that can make troll work

It's yatoro

[worn drift]

They will lose this game

[manic ermine]

Think he played a couple troll games and won

[worn drift]

Troll is trash

1 euls

[manic ermine]

Troll can maintain lane which helps aa a lot

Because aa later on is a mega threat

And you have wr to carry from mid

[worn drift]

Larl has to solo the game

Cuz troll is just terrible

[stone geode]

aint no way troll wins

[manic ermine]

Eh

Troll wins lane

And can delete buildings faster than anyone

[worn drift]

Okay but if liquid just fight you

You lose

Cuz troll is a non hero in teamfights

[manic ermine]

We will see

[worn drift]

Oh god i didnt see end of draft

Liquid picked visage

Ye its big gg

They are gonna just end this pre 30

[manic ermine]

I'm really liking the tusk pick

[rugged cipher]

[stray yew]

spirit could call it already

they play 4v5 coz troll

[stone geode]

wr no farm no kills

[worn drift]

Yatoro will be kicking himself for this troll call

Idk why you would pick this trash

Literally does nothing

[stone geode]

"dont lose lane, maybe you win late game"

[stray yew]

wtf is liquid doing

clowns

they will still win

coz its troll lineup

[worn drift]

[rugged cipher]

how do the fight go that bad

[worn drift]

Liquid deserve lose

[stone geode]

[worn drift]

They have imbalanced draft

How do you lose any fights

[manic ermine]

Ngl drone footage is too distracting

[stone geode]

wr just dying all game

[stray yew]

why is yatoro

even getting that kill

[rugged cipher]

showing light show outside of arena half screen for 10 min

[worn drift]

Lmfao

[rugged cipher]

its ok only grand final

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

Such a good game for tusk tag team

Wr and troll

Insane dmg boost

[stray yew]

larl needs to get some nw

and i can see spirit winning it

[worn drift]

Actually tusk is probably most insane pos 4 they coulda picked

[stray yew]

but not when they rely on troll doing anything

troll just needs to go in

press r

most likely die

[worn drift]

If he gets good shards troll actually works

[stray yew]

if he kills sth with him its insane

[rugged cipher]

yatoro

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

Yatoro what was that

[rugged cipher]

troll being a bit trolled

🤏

[stone geode]

[worn drift]

That was such a low tier noob move

[stray yew]

how did they not die

how did noone die

[worn drift]

Troll with no bkb is actually most useless hero in dota

Mindbreaker actually pretty lucky drop

[rugged cipher]

why are spirit kinda winning

[worn drift]

Idk

[stray yew]

yatoro is too good

[worn drift]

They are better at navigating late game

[stray yew]

even on absolute trash hero

[worn drift]

Than i think any team in world rn

[stray yew]

insane

[worn drift]

In this form

[stray yew]

imagine if he had actual good hero

[worn drift]

Fr

Oh my god that ice blast

Beauty

Bro no wae they win this

No wae they win with troll warlord

[stray yew]

idk spirit too good

[rugged cipher]

they need to make him not able to ult+satanic for free

[worn drift]

Once has 25 he’ll always get it off

[stray yew]

maybe its just me but whenever i watch spirit i feel like they are step ahead

and understand powerspikes better than other teams

even tho it makes no sense

i get this feeling

[worn drift]

Spirit looks like a slightly sloppier psg during ti10 era

They just forfeit early game then outplay you

Yatoro is an insane carry

This guy has a game no matter how bad shit goes

[manic ermine]

Spirit also beat ti10 era psg

[stray yew]

honestly they lost to themselves

a bit

psg that is

[worn drift]

Ye they were really good then, but xiao8 was 322

Actually betting

[stray yew]

i think they even said that

thjey lost to themselves

no shot you 322 in 20 mil tournament

[worn drift]

You can’t let have collapse have magnus

In that tourny

That was psychotic

[stray yew]

true

[manic ermine]

They had

Tiny lycan

[worn drift]

Idk how you do that

[manic ermine]

In return

[worn drift]

Collapse magnus

Defeats anything

[manic ermine]

Which was 100% winrate combo for psg

[stone geode]

paid actors in the crowd

[manic ermine]

Liquid bans ench and opens dark seer for spirit

[worn drift]

But ye spirit handles mid-late game too well

This tusk pick

[stray yew]

they arae winning

with troll

[worn drift]

Is actually insane

[stray yew]

bro

it counts for 2

[worn drift]

Tusk was actually perfect pick for warlord

Shards helps so much

Warlord aghs for free is also quite good i think

Dispel off auras with axes

And dispel debuffs with self axes

[stray yew]

ye that is good aghs this game

both dispels rly good

no bb

[rugged cipher]

bs has no impact this game

[stray yew]

[rugged cipher]

[stray yew]

holy

whoever hexed this guy

tip him

give him raise

[rugged cipher]

scripter

[stray yew]

obvious play

they expected it

but still

[worn drift]

okay man

[stray yew]

the amount of times ive been fucking tossed into t4s/fountain becuase magnus or tiny

fuck me

[stone geode]

readable

[worn drift]

just gg game 3 minute 0:00

[stray yew]

makes you smile when you see it fail

[worn drift]

you just lost to troll warlord

give them the series

[manic ermine]

yatoro chad

[worn drift]

they are too good

[manic ermine]

liquid also lost

with io lesh

[stray yew]

yatoro is legit

best carry player

[manic ermine]

he is

[stray yew]

t oever touch the game

[worn drift]

bro this tusk was insane i swear

[stray yew]

im convinced

how do you have forseight to be like

ye pick troll

its good

and play it like that

wtf

[worn drift]

ye insane

i pray they win

deserved

[manic ermine]

just one more win

[stray yew]

i have a saying since last major

that yatoro plays like rtz wishes he played

[worn drift]

tfw you get berserk rage warlord on you

with 4 other heroes around you

[stray yew]

crit finally on main stage

[manic ermine]

spirit is also the only team making aa work

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

idk why other ppl arent picking AA

[manic ermine]

tundra picked

[stray yew]

very rough lane

[manic ermine]

but they threw vs gg

[stray yew]

for sure

so teams are scared

[manic ermine]

rough lane but troll helped secure it

[worn drift]

winnin with troll is insane lmao

[manic ermine]

also liquid playing lesh as main carry meant

]larl just yoinked every single power rune mid to late game

[worn drift]

just dont throw away next 2 games spirit

team spirit showing you dont need net worth to win the game

[thorny fiber]

i feel like the DS is just too good

prob won them the game

[worn drift]

the tusk was an insane pick

[stray yew]

thats my exact thing

[thorny fiber]

ye but all those vacuum

[stray yew]

their understanding of the game/synergies

[worn drift]

tusk shards + snowball insane help for warlord

[stray yew]

is just beyond any other team

ive seen spirit be 2-20 down -5k nw

and they say ye we done farming go fight

they go fight

win

click throne

[thorny fiber]

the last 2-3 teamfights was just vacuum, wall, AA blast

[stray yew]

game over

[worn drift]

warlord biggest problem is the hero is total dog shit when bkb runs out

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

but shards/snowball + vacuums

help a lot

to not get kited

[worn drift]

ye

its insane how small of a nw diff they have

[agile onyx]

Liquid's team was all about running around and trying to kite out. But it's so hard to do that vs vacuum and ice shards

[worn drift]

when score is like

5-20

score is 5-20 nw diff is like 2k

like wtf

how

[stray yew]

they play thge game way different than other teams thats for sure

[agile onyx]

And then if you can't kite out a troll

And ur wall illusions

Ur doomed

[stray yew]

because they rly do prefer playing map/resources correctly

other teams dont value it as much

[worn drift]

ye they stretch the map real hard

[stray yew]

thats rly good

entire cis region is very unique

and all the teams have success and all of them have diff playstyle

[manic ermine]

Spirit also has

Very good vision game

[worn drift]

cis carries actually outclassing rest of world so insanely hard tbh

[manic ermine]

Cis carries are great but I think 23 deserves credit as one of top carries

[worn drift]

eh

i think yatoro is by far best pos 1 in this form

by like an insane margin

no matter how bad his game is he'll be top nw by certain minute

he can die 3 times in lane and he'll still have a game

hes actually the carry you can rely on to always win you the game if it goes late enough

wait what is this announcement

[agile onyx]

Happy birthday DotA huh

[worn drift]

cr1t looking back like "ye i remember when we won games"

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

davai spirit

[humble yew]

[stray yew]

why is hge angry

[manic ermine]

if they don't mess up draft spirit is the more capable team I think

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

100%

their gameplay is insane this tourny

[manic ermine]

but draft is extremely important

look at game 1

[worn drift]

ye they had 0 stuns

you cant draft your 2 stuns being coil and chrono

and then cold feet if it procs

thats illegal

think liquid is going to go for some cheese

collapse commanding ds ban

ok brood 1st pick by liquid

readable

[manic ermine]

i dont think spirit ever wants to pick naga

[humble yew]

strong TI contender this year for sure

looking v good

[worn drift]

they are protecting brood

with naga ban

naga song is also really annoying to play against

[manic ermine]

spirit beat liquid brood without naga

[humble yew]

[rugged cipher]

no summons this game

[humble yew]

broxi on clock

[worn drift]

cm ban

liquid going to pick snap likely

or spirit takes it away

[manic ermine]

Lich pick seems interesting

Larl snap is very good

[worn drift]

lich is good pick here, helps against the tower pressure from beast+ench

[manic ermine]

And you allow snapfire vs team spirit late game

Clock also bodies ench

[rugged cipher]

apparently sinister gaze oneshot boar for lane vs bm

[stray yew]

drow into tb

thats free as fuck

[worn drift]

yeaaa

this is kinda insane drow game

[manic ermine]

If game drags out

Snap becomes the main carry

[worn drift]

oh god

meepo last pick

dont do it