DotA

[worn drift]

or i hope they do

too problematic

secures lane

[stray yew]

or take it

[worn drift]

uses gates for ganks very well

[stray yew]

like this game

[stone geode]

this might be reverse sweep

[worn drift]

secures rosh with tomb

[stray yew]

but im too stupid to know what gets what nowadays in way what do you get to choose

[worn drift]

then grab ally is just insanely op

[stray yew]

losing team gets to choose 1st pick or side i guess?

[stone geode]

BB dont really have good hero pool imo

[stray yew]

in draft?

so thery probably value 1st pick

[worn drift]

im not sure

[stone geode]

on supports especially

[stray yew]

and secure undying for themselves

[worn drift]

cause game 3 ts vs bb

[stray yew]

in case its not banned

[stone geode]

they value 1st pick

[worn drift]

bb had 1st pick again

[stone geode]

on bb

100% winrate

[worn drift]

despite winning g2

not 100%

ts beat them with fp

they had 1st pick g3

[stone geode]

so 1 loss

[worn drift]

ye 1 loss in an insane game

[stone geode]

the red light is funny

you see when it blinks red and the player just facepalms

[worn drift]

dyrachyo dusa is danger

that fcking replay lmfao

[stone geode]

zdps bb

underlord ban for sure

[worn drift]

who is this brexit m8

[rugged cipher]

snare the host or what

[stone geode]

tide again

[worn drift]

why doesnt betboom pick doom anymroe these days?

pure is like the best doom world rn

[stone geode]

I dont like pure on a shit hero like tide

[worn drift]

ye idk why not go with legion either

his legion is best in world as well

[stone geode]

same lane for him again which means hes probably going to be useless early

[worn drift]

it is CIS jugg tho

[manic ermine]

Pango banned

Sadge

[stone geode]

gpkek storm

if no ban

[worn drift]

no storm plz

heros not good imo

[manic ermine]

What is left mid for quinn

[stone geode]

wr

[worn drift]

wr

qop

[stone geode]

qop is just a bad hero

[worn drift]

agreed

trash hero

but ppl still pick it

[stray yew]

qop or wr

[manic ermine]

I don't think qop is good into the bb lineup

[stray yew]

i think he needs to pick sth good into potential bat

[worn drift]

oh ye

forgot leshrac

[stray yew]

lesh works too yea

but couldnt pick sth liike dk

coz then its risk of getting batchested

[manic ermine]

The quinn lesh

[worn drift]

i mean dk also doesn't produce a lot of dmg until late

so their mid game would be really zdps

during the 4 protect 1 period

[stray yew]

true

lesh is not that hard to explode tho

[worn drift]

ye

[stray yew]

with no backup

[worn drift]

techies produces infinite dmg

so

[stray yew]

like io/aba/oracle

io/oracle nowadays

only options

[worn drift]

kiyotaka picks tinker here

and 1v9's

altho tinker vs disruptor

[manic ermine]

Last time kiyo picked tinker it was despair

[stone geode]

called it

[worn drift]

i mean the last game i watched kiyotaka on tinker he 1v9'd

his PL died to tormentor

and he still 1v9'd

[stone geode]

he won on tinker today

when they eliminated aster

[manic ermine]

Oh I missed game 3

[worn drift]

his tinker is insane

[stone geode]

killed them in fountain

[manic ermine]

But gg broke tinker in laning phase

And kiyo couldn't recover

Was useless entire game

And then spirit broke kiyo tinker with the yatoro pl

[worn drift]

bro plz let bb win so i see some spicy all chat directed towards quinn

[stone geode]

[worn drift]

"ramzes sends his regards"

what wins

dyrachyo medusa or cis jugg

[stone geode]

I like ggs draft more

but I hope bb wins

[rugged cipher]

gpk no mental after last game

loss inc

[manic ermine]

Might be the leshrak show

[stone geode]

pure on tide = no fun

[worn drift]

idk

its kinda hard for leshrac to just run at peopel this game

cause he just gets ravaged

and techies explodes him

gg initiations harder to execute

meanwhile bb you just have storm or tide go

and then either storm or tide follow up

[stone geode]

then you get vac into disruptor ult into stonegaze

[worn drift]

how do you vac if you are ravaged

[stone geode]

you dont die in a ravage

[worn drift]

techies blast off to follow

[stone geode]

dork seer too fat

[worn drift]

or lasso

[rugged cipher]

gg dont even initiate dont they just push and counter

[worn drift]

or vortex

but ye idk dyrachyo and quinn on signature heroes

[stone geode]

believe in cis jugg

[rugged cipher]

dont bat just kill disruptor if he throws some napalm xd

[stone geode]

thats what I was thinking

glimpse is getting some nice kills, like in g2

[rugged cipher]

now gg is throwing

[stray yew]

save did some work

[rugged cipher]

ye murdered them

[thorny fiber]

Saved his team

[stray yew]

gpkek

[rugged cipher]

getting the tip also

storm wil lrespawn and kil lem

[stray yew]

nightfall scammed

because bad ult

[rugged cipher]

nvm

[stray yew]

i think nightfalls omni jumped on illus

and stopped

coz medusa dead if he gets good bounces

[worn drift]

ye

[thorny fiber]

Why not spin first

[stray yew]

coz you dont rly play spin build

it does laughable dmg nowadays

if you dont build for it

tbh

[thorny fiber]

Then he shouldnt have ulted

Cus clearly illus around

Gamba

[rugged cipher]

why do they just leave double boutny runes

[thorny fiber]

Lower bracket brainfreeze games

[rugged cipher]

ok bottle man

[stray yew]

idk how is dyrachyo able to always hit manta

does he have 0.1s reaction time

or is it 50/50 and he wins

[rugged cipher]

felt like he used it to farm

[stray yew]

im not sure

ye maybe

[rugged cipher]

just be lucky

or maybe just insane

[stray yew]

entire game on nightfall

if he dies once its over

[stone geode]

storms always have such low nw

[worn drift]

save doing gods work

[rugged cipher]

wall to strong

[worn drift]

dyrachyo

when dying as dusa, just stand and hit

[stray yew]

pure ?

[stone geode]

good buybacks from gg

just swung the entire game

[worn drift]

oh my god

[stray yew]

ye over

[worn drift]

vac into aghs ult

gg

[stone geode]

I said that during draft

😢

[rugged cipher]

feels like bb just get in their own way

[worn drift]

oh god quinn

dont do that again

[rugged cipher]

looked so cringe

[stray yew]

https://tenor.com/view/quinn-quinn-callahan-ccnc-dota2-dota-gif-27629731

[rugged cipher]

9p gonna come and call him alien boss #2

[stone geode]

https://tenor.com/view/storb-penguin-gif-18214806

BB should have won against TS

[worn drift]

dyrachyo is too powerful

cis carries are the only human carries

[manic ermine]

Felt like gg tried way harder than usual for this series

[stone geode]

but if you want to win you have to beat the best

good tournament by bb still

[worn drift]

not really

for what ppl expect from them and what they expect from themselves

very bad

[manic ermine]

Aight guess it's up to 9p or talon to take down gg next

[worn drift]

dont think either are capable of winning vs them

its either spirit or liquid

[stone geode]

gg played better compared to their previous series

for sure

[rugged cipher]

i believe in talon

[stone geode]

23cabbage

[rugged cipher]

they got a pretty high ceiling tbh

but some low lows

[stone geode]

sad about bb

couldnt finish spirit

[thorny fiber]

Feels like this translator adds things

[worn drift]

no hate but why do they have an arabic translator

[thorny fiber]

They are in saudi

[rugged cipher]

for the 10 arabs in the venue

[worn drift]

the moments where hes translating are so awkward

[manic ermine]

Bb are so good in laning

But lack execution later on

[stone geode]

I think their drafts arent that great either

and they make up by playing

[worn drift]

idk why they picked tide 2 games in a row

didnt look good in eitehr

[manic ermine]

Undying won all 3 games this series

[stone geode]

yeah

[manic ermine]

xd

[worn drift]

its like during arlington major

when

[rugged cipher]

they need pure on something that can do shit in game

[worn drift]

psg in grand finals

picks naga like 2 games in a row

[rugged cipher]

cus nightfall aint doing shit but hitting buildings

[worn drift]

and its shit every game

[stone geode]

just pick tide, ta

has everything

[worn drift]

bb pretty bad at navigating the game past like 10-15 mins

also sebek is right

toronto on non-undying is kinda bot-like

[manic ermine]

Tt bara is pretty good

[worn drift]

that last vac static storm was sick

[stone geode]

he had good games on bat as well

tofu had a good series imo

on that disruptor

[worn drift]

tofu and seleri always own

big part of gg's success

[stone geode]

ace also good games after recovery

[worn drift]

their 2 supps almost never fail to perform

[stone geode]

save is good but a bit 1 dimensional

definitely not a fan of the tide

[thorny fiber]

I feel like lower bracket games are so low quality cus of the pressure

Yday had insane games

And today was so bad

Remove lower bracket games

[worn drift]

team spirit vs bb was most insane bo3 i ever watched i think

[manic ermine]

Well you had talon liquid on the same day

[worn drift]

taht wasnt that insane just the ending of last game was crazy

[hybrid gate]

can't wait for another undying shard rework

[manic ermine]

https://youtu.be/Zd6tlDRGAF8

[rugged cipher]

what is that bh

[stone geode]

zoning bh

[humble yew]

[rugged cipher]

i think talon got this

[stone geode]

talon doing well

did invoker get buffed last small patch?/

[manic ermine]

No

[stone geode]

3 linkens on hero is so dumb

[thorny fiber]

Holy

9pandas just got deleted

Worst jugger game in a long time

[rugged cipher]

talon secured over 1 mill though after last despair

[manic ermine]

Hoping talon beats gg

[thorny fiber]

23cabbage

[stone geode]

🐀 gaming

[stray yew]

they cant straight 5v5

and spirit is amazing at this kinda games

they never fall behind massively

which is quite impressive

any other team just falls behind 30k in that game

and enemy just presses a click on your base and its over

somehow they can keep it close ish

[stone geode]

naga such a low level because of illusions

[stray yew]

ye thats typical

happens same with tb

but also dk pick got mega countered with lion

(they countered themselves)

[jolly crane]

Dusa no buriza

[stone geode]

has silver edge

[jolly crane]

Not comparable

[stone geode]

yeah but youre not buying 2 crit items are you?

[jolly crane]

At this point you just buy rapier

[stone geode]

naga cant fight into medusa anyway

[jolly crane]

Need to take care of the rest of the team first

[stone geode]

they dont have damage

[jolly crane]

Downside of a solo carry game

[stray yew]

ye this is over

i mean you dont pick naga to 5v5

and they cant 5v5

[jolly crane]

Ye

[stray yew]

[stone geode]

I mean bat doesnt do anything

beastmaster is just a creep

[jolly crane]

You can stay in the game for a long time with naga

But it's not a win condition by itself

[stray yew]

ye last pick bat was bad

but so was picking dk into lion

[stone geode]

bat might as well have been pos5

only hero he could even remotely kill was techies

thats why they blow everything - laso, static and roar

on 1 kill

[stray yew]

the only hero that did damage was lions finger

[stone geode]

ye

[jolly crane]

oh another tech break

[stray yew]

its not esl fault

game coordinator is dead

coz my friends are trying to look for game past 30 minutes

and game coordinator down

[jolly crane]

oh look

undying, beastmaster, ench, techies, brood

[stray yew]

they decided to ban medusa

[jolly crane]

oh ye that was halfway through teh draft

its just

same shit every game, im actually really sick of this meta now

cant wait for it to be over

give gud patch pls

[stray yew]

i get it

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

pro meta is quite stale for sure

[jolly crane]

ye

i think its fine in pubs obviously

[stray yew]

fewest viable picks ever honestly

[jolly crane]

can always play stuff that oyu play well

like 4-5 picks on every position

draft was legit

[stray yew]

i mean i hope undying

is unplayable after next patch

[jolly crane]

"oh so the next best mid hero is ember" "oh ember is banned"
"oh so the next best mid hero is windrunner" "oh wr is banned"

"oh the next best pick is leshrac" "oh liquid picks lesh"

could predict

every single ban and pick

predicting drafts isnt really about "which hero would fit perfectly into this game" anymore, its just "which meta hero is available still"

http://puu.sh/JMuae/35abfccc24.png

posted in wrong chat

[stone geode]

just puck dying is what I see

grab ally

[stray yew]

they dont rly have any other hero that can play vs brood

[jolly crane]

puck can clear spoders but ye

idk

this game is just

not fun to watch at all

collapse not present in the game

[stray yew]

spirit playsboring games

[jolly crane]

man hasnt left top lane

[stray yew]

unless they know they can win fights

[jolly crane]

in 25minutes

[stray yew]

they wont

[jolly crane]

not a single roar all game

[stray yew]

they are playing dota like league

just efficient resource gathering from the map

[jolly crane]

ye

idk

this gank on brood

or in general

the mid gank too

just 2man or 3man ganks

whats the goal?

why does brood have 200 damage with a scythe and a bkb

[stray yew]

its also effect of them picking undying/techies

[jolly crane]

can we like

revert time

[stray yew]

heroes that never lose lanes

[jolly crane]

and remove universal heroes from the game

and grab ally

while were at it

[stray yew]

liquid threw a lot this fight

rly well played by yatoro

but expect nothing else out of him

[jolly crane]

ye

unironically best carry player in the world

since the TI win

[stray yew]

in the old standards for sure

because he is the old school thinking carry in that regard

like he will play for 0 deaths

and for himself a lot

he isnt the guy that will go in 1st and die for team

[jolly crane]

classic carry

not having buyback

30mins into game

classic spirit game

[stone geode]

no lockdown for the fish

[stray yew]

i think its rly good spirit is having success with really weird playstyle

they play so much different

than other teams

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

they play very passively and such

all the cis teams are rly good for the scene

all of them have different playstyles

meanwhile entire EU successful teams play kinda same

[jolly crane]

ye

EU just all try to copy GG

but arent as good at it

well

[stray yew]

they killed him

but look at lane situation

[jolly crane]

@stray yew all CIS teams have one thing in common

[stray yew]

they throw?

he has bb

its ok

[jolly crane]

ye

imagine carry

having buyback

crazy

[stray yew]

they wont achieve anything

[jolly crane]

nah they used everything

to bring down tony slark

[stray yew]

rosh up in 20s too

so actually quite lucky

for spirit

[jolly crane]

but think

they can still fight

if its around an objective

liquid i mean

problem is these fights in the middle of nowhere arent good

cuz it splits the fight too much, slark just goes back and regens

[stray yew]

ye ofc

[jolly crane]

but if its around rosh, slark cant just stay away for 20 seconds

[stray yew]

slark is just king of these kinda fights

[jolly crane]

cuz then rosh dies

[stray yew]

where you poke and run

over and over

[jolly crane]

ye

but cant do that

when you try and push a lane or fight over rosh

[stray yew]

normally im huge fan of nulli

but idk why this game

on yatoro

especially that its vs buyback

i guess for undying

he has like 5 items that are dispelled by it

wtf is this

[stone geode]

good one by liquid

just gate in

[jolly crane]

lategame ench

[stray yew]

kinda always happens eventually

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

but slark was the real carry tho

[jolly crane]

oh for sure

[stray yew]

besides that 1 death perfect gameplay

[stone geode]

[jolly crane]

great performance by yatoro

[manic ermine]

Yatoro created so much space last fight

[stray yew]

even death wasnt that bad

[manic ermine]

He just jumped in 1v3

[stray yew]

coz they didnt achieve anything because of it

ye refresher on slark

is mega op

[manic ermine]

And monkey+ brood wasted ults

[jolly crane]

this slark shouldnt have gotten anything

[stray yew]

monkey cant play into lategame slark

[jolly crane]

after being at 15cs when brood hat 40

[stray yew]

its infuriating

you pop your big 25 lvl ult

[jolly crane]

but zai decided to die solo to slark

[stray yew]

and guy just hits you

and you die

[jolly crane]

on lane

[thorny fiber]

Full sending it into gateway

[jolly crane]

ye

with your support first too

techies first one out

[thorny fiber]

”Fuck it lets go”

[stray yew]

[manic ermine]

Also larl outclassed Nisha this game

[jolly crane]

not a good lesh game

at all

[manic ermine]

Did so many small plays across the map

[stray yew]

lesh is just not good

if you have no io

[jolly crane]

you can play it if you have a frontline but

they didnt

lesh was the frontline

so hes just free agi

has to pop bloodstone early every time just to live initiations

instead of being able to use it mid fight

[manic ermine]

Well hoping spirit doesn't fuck up draft

Break the gg vs liquid tradition

[thorny fiber]

Think talon is gonna make it from lb

Can we stop these delays

Fuckin send the draft already

”Finding a server”

What is this meme

[stray yew]

ive seen game coordinator being very shit today

[thorny fiber]

Thought they played on lan

[stray yew]

idk if its tied to this

is there even lan option in this game for custom lobbies"?

im unaware if ther eis

[thorny fiber]

Prob not

[stray yew]

i saw my ffriends look for coordinator to stable itself for 30-45 minutes

and when it was finally up

they queue game

and 30 mintues in 8 people got dced

[thorny fiber]

[stray yew]

and game was safe to leave

[thorny fiber]

Too many ppl in the game or what

[stray yew]

no idea

doesnt rly happen often

besides the usualy tuesday evening

when its some maintenance

[thorny fiber]

Saturday dota hype

[stray yew]

oh picks on

at least

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[stray yew]

please ban medusa

dont be dumb

[thorny fiber]

Banning undying

After they just won against it

[stray yew]

so snap left

liquid should pick snap

right

ye

faceless void

wtf

liquid could just morph now

and they could even middle lane it

idk why liquid never ever gave morph to nisha

guy is absolute goat on the heo

[manic ermine]

Don't think morph is that good after aghs nerf

[stray yew]

it is

[manic ermine]

Vs void

[stray yew]

its the best faceless void counter in the game

carry to carry matchup

[manic ermine]

Hm

[stray yew]

or core to core i guess

[thorny fiber]

Whats liquids winrate with it

[stray yew]

they did morph

[thorny fiber]

There it is

[stray yew]

holy

im so

[rugged cipher]

first pick void

[stray yew]

ye thats surprising

[manic ermine]

Maybe they're baiting morph

[stray yew]

possibly

well on paper it should be nisha snap and micke morph

but i kinda hope they give morph to nisha

[manic ermine]

Because if there's one person I trust to handle void vs morph

[stray yew]

guy is absolute nerd expert on it

[manic ermine]

It's yatoro

[stray yew]

and just give him pos 1 and more utility carry for micke

play pos 1 from middle kinda thing and micke gets some dk kinda hero

from safelane

ye for sure

[manic ermine]

Well what hero trashes morph mid?

[stray yew]

nothing rly shits morph on mid i wanna say

regen is too efficient

bottle is too efficient

[manic ermine]

Because honestly I'm not convinced micke is that great these past few games

So if you shut down morph mid

It's over for liquid

[stray yew]

honestly probably most annoying shit to play into

would be OD

ye od is mega hard counter

i guess

its traditional counter in game vs morph

builds hex/fuckton of magic damage

morph doesnt like that

[manic ermine]

Imagine spirit pulling out a surprise and it's a pos 4 void

Like they baited gg with the pos 4 ember

[stray yew]

ill be quite surprised if its not nisha snap and micke morph tho honestly

very few teams flex snap to sth else than mid nowadays

coz hero is hidden carry eventually from mid anyway

lvl 20 is stupid strong

[manic ermine]

Snap supp would feel wasteful

[stray yew]

so hard to end game into that hero once it gets lvl 20

ye but its still an option for sure

oh yea some stupid counter to morph would be shadow demon

but ye thats like wow you countered morph but you play pos 2 sd

[manic ermine]

Shadow demon is decent this meta

[stray yew]

so you're useless in the game oc

[manic ermine]

Also spirit plays aa

[stray yew]

liquid might take oracle or sd

vs void for saves

historically classic insania hero too

ye dk

maybe my theory

is gonna be true

(and then they proceed to lose)

[manic ermine]

I hope liquid lose

[stray yew]

sky this one i dont understand

is it more of steal pick maybe

[thorny fiber]

They talked about it on the panel

[manic ermine]

Sky+dk in lane

[stray yew]

that they wanna steal it?

or that its good pick for spirit

[thorny fiber]

That spirit might want it

[stray yew]

ye looked decent for spirit

in theory liquid is looking for some pos 5 now

oracle/sd

for saves

[manic ermine]

Wr is a nice pick

[stray yew]

sth else that isnt troll left in the pool?

sure you could dazzle

but dazzle

oh they're banning ta

im very confused

[thorny fiber]

Ta ban?

[stray yew]

ye

[manic ermine]

Undying shard is a better dazzle atm

[thorny fiber]

They think snap is flexed

Or what

[stray yew]

ye

idk we'll see

but i think oracle is coming

from liquid

[manic ermine]

Time for the collapse magnus

[stray yew]

would be criminal to play into void 1st pick

and not a single save picked

[manic ermine]

What about

Offlane void

[stray yew]

timber isnt banned

[manic ermine]

Bring back an ancient strat

[stray yew]

looks not too bad for spirit

or idk maybe mars

collapse mars is a classic too

ye shadow demon

classic

[manic ermine]

I think timber is better

[thorny fiber]

Sebek should be on the panel

[stray yew]

actually both sd and oracle rly good

ye lycan smart into theese supports for sure

they dont deal with creeps

[manic ermine]

I like spirit draft

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[stray yew]

kinda zdps team into chrono

dont like it myself

nothing rly combos

[thorny fiber]

Gonna be a phat ench

[stray yew]

wr will have bad game i think

sd ult will always be pressed on wr

very bad

and undispellable windrun is lvl 25 talent nowdays

so very very late into the game

[jolly crane]

you never wanna skill that talent as well

[stray yew]

ye

but he will have to

because sd

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

or maybe he will just take the L

coz its still better on him than yatoro getting kited? not sure

[jolly crane]

idk you might just

play it anyway

[stray yew]

i think i prefer liquid draft

[jolly crane]

think you kinda need the ult cd talent

for sure

[stray yew]

morphling vs void is just so good

[jolly crane]

i dont see spirit holding early game again

early mid

think their lanes are weak

[stray yew]

lycan needs to do well

but he has techies on lane

[jolly crane]

so liquid will have early lead

[stray yew]

so unlosable lane

[jolly crane]

and if they can starve out the map enough

why does techies have 50 damage man

fucking stupid hero

[stray yew]

welcome to universals

[jolly crane]

ye i mean

heros attack range was balanced around having like 35dmg

now its just obnoxious to lane into as a pos5

disgusting hero

[stray yew]

spirit with double wisdom runes

wow im wr

i pressed r and e and you cant run

wtf is this spirit

active early game

enchantress lvl 7

[manic ermine]

Please no CIS throw

[stray yew]

that death is rough

[rugged cipher]

what happend to nisha this game anyawy

have not watched

[stray yew]

liquid supports got fucked on xp game

spirits supports had mega levels and good rotations on mid

basically 4 and 5 diff

enchantress was lvl 7 when sky was 5 and sd was 4

techies was 6 at that time

larl did go even in lane vs nisha tho

not sure how snap vs wr matchup goes

[stone geode]

I think snap wins most matchups

[manic ermine]

Liquid had to rotate 2 supports mid to get a windrunner kill

[stray yew]

ye but at that time they were securing both xp runes

[manic ermine]

And that opened up sidelanes a lot

[stray yew]

holy fuck 27k ahead

31 minutes in

1k/minute almost

you know its mega stomp

oh well

at least its not gg/liquid final

[manic ermine]

Larl shackles

[stray yew]

[manic ermine]

Insane

[jolly crane]

larl shackle initiation

sick stuff

hahaha

the micke "help" voiceline

[manic ermine]

The curse is broken

Larl mvp for sure

[agile onyx]

those shackles

im going to throw up

[stone geode]

spirit have good restraint on dives

playing together still

[agile onyx]

man

GG and liquid

[jolly crane]

glad liquid lost

[agile onyx]

not in the finals

[stone geode]

davai cyka

[jolly crane]

micke is just

not playing well at all

[agile onyx]

yeah idk what happened

[manic ermine]

Also miposhka ench did so much that game

[stray yew]

i mean not playing well at all = top 3 of the tournament

but yea

he looks a bit worse than yatoro/dyrachyo

if you just compare them carry to carry

or even 23

[jolly crane]

oh yeah i mean

zai never plays well so

im surprised liquid still manages

[stray yew]

wdym

he won them the game

[jolly crane]

good placements

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

that one time

[jolly crane]

1 game in 5 years

[stray yew]

zai did have impact

[jolly crane]

that he played well

[stray yew]

[manic ermine]

Zai is their least consistent player this year

[jolly crane]

ye his impact that game was

teamfight, bkb, run out of teamfight

let his team die

[rugged cipher]

million dollar impact

[manic ermine]

But hey he ratted talon that one game

[jolly crane]

then look good when you splitpush

zai enigma or doom is just

miserable to watch

but i mean, they make it work so

who am i to judge

[agile onyx]

zai had a decent DS game I remember, he trolled like the first 20 minutes of the game, but then he bought blink and ran over every fight after

[jolly crane]

mostly cuz boxi and nisha are both goats

thats just DS

[agile onyx]

and like, idk that feels like zai

[jolly crane]

thats not zai

hero is broken

[manic ermine]

Now I hope talon wins

[stray yew]

rly good to see some players develop

[manic ermine]

Vs gg

[agile onyx]

i mean, zai likes to troll the first 20 minutes

[stray yew]

larl actually so much growth throughout season

👍

[jolly crane]

ye

[agile onyx]

and then come out with auras and blink ults

[manic ermine]

Yeah ppl were calling to kick him after first major

[stray yew]

for who tho

[manic ermine]

Exactly

[stray yew]

there wasnt rly any other promising player that is playing in some t2 team that would be joining

why not committ to that project

[manic ermine]

And early issue with larl was

They tried replicating the tt playstyle on him

[agile onyx]

im pretty sure its was memeing, but i definitely saw a "kick larl for dendi" like 6 months ago

[jolly crane]

ye but i mean, thats not a zai thing. thats just offlane play in general, and he doesi t worse than like 10 other offlaners. thats my problem with him. its not that hes bad individually, hes just a worse offlane than basically every other offlane i know

[stray yew]

sure they couldve taken gpk or kiyotaka but thats also unproven players

just like larl

at least in high pressure lan situations

[manic ermine]

But dpc season 3 larl started playing more of his own style

[jolly crane]

i see a zai doom and it has half the impact most other pos3s have on doom

[manic ermine]

And has grown ever since

[stray yew]

spirit leveled their game in general

[agile onyx]

yeah

[stray yew]

i think talon > gg

but we'll see

imagine if grand finals is

cis vs sea team

[agile onyx]

i'm torn, I want to see Liquid win a tournament, but i dont like seeing rematches in grand finals

either way I hope to see Talon vs Liquid in lower finals

[manic ermine]

Spirit vs Talon would be my ideal final

[stray yew]

only 10 min break

so game is gonna tart in 30 minutes

[rugged cipher]

server ready in 1h

[stray yew]

talon most fun team to watch lowkey

coz they always have long games

their avg is 50 mins i think

[manic ermine]

Dude

Imagine

23 vs yatoro

Grand final

Late games

[stray yew]

where game

[stone geode]

technical difficulties

probably dota again, idk

[stray yew]

finally draft

io lesh

talon limittesting

[agile onyx]

fuck it we ball energy tbh

[rugged cipher]

feel like gg got everything they wanted

[stray yew]

ye they got io/lesh/disruptor

rly good heroes for them

[worn drift]

Oh wtf

Spirit in grand final

Pog

[stone geode]

quinn?

[stray yew]

throne it up

[agile onyx]

this game looks like a SEA pub

mid laner throwing for rune

[stone geode]

gg got a lot of their good heroes

[agile onyx]

safe lane diving offlane 2 v 3

[stone geode]

curious to see how tide works out compared to what pure did

tide fits ace a bit more I guess but curious to see how he plays

[rugged cipher]

how do talon even control gg in late

[stray yew]

do you care about controlling that much?

you just put farmed tb on hg and ball around him

[stone geode]

link blood cyka and win

[rugged cipher]

i mean tb cant hit anything unless they run at you

[stray yew]

and razor is gonna be a menace

23 and jabz confirmed boomers

cant bkb before ravage

[rugged cipher]

kotl basher needed inded to stop tps

[stray yew]

is this over

should be megas + rosh at least

[rugged cipher]

How do they even win

Crushed lanes to hard

[stray yew]

ember show

[manic ermine]

Just one more talon win

[stray yew]

all talon cores playing rly well tbh

quinn fed like 2-3 times

ace fucked up ult once

[jolly crane]

refresher razor

[worn drift]

lmfao

[stray yew]

ye cant run from razor

i still remember razor aghs/refresher/bkb meta

scarred forever

[worn drift]

this gg meme

[jolly crane]

faith bian meta

[stray yew]

ammar meta tbh

he invented this shit

[jolly crane]

nah

i invented it

i played it months before pros did

not even memeing

[stray yew]

gg io lesh again

faith bian

animal vs animal

[thorny fiber]

I played it years ago

Common pub razor build or

[jolly crane]

ye i ran razor safelane when no one played it

against the fucking offlane pitlord shit

and some other oppressive offlaners

cuz razor was only hero that you didnt bully out of lane

then half a year later

its meta in pro games

[stray yew]

bristle

[jolly crane]

ye

the bristle/underlord shit pos3 meta

was so annoying

but razor worked

[stone geode]

lets go 23cabbage

[thorny fiber]

5k up

Min 11

12*

[rugged cipher]

what was that global

[stray yew]

they thought they could catch bristle

it would be silver edge reveal

[rugged cipher]

i mean it kinda came when they went back in resposne to relocate

[stray yew]

this puck impossible to catch

but bristle gonna fall off shrortly

[stone geode]

they might win before that

[stray yew]

2 rax down

anime music starts blasting

talon as usual

[rugged cipher]

lol the sd illus

[jolly crane]

bristle just

outrunning

the lycan

[stone geode]

23 cabbage?

[stray yew]

wtf is this clownfiesta

but gg should have it now

right

[jolly crane]

if tb hits 25 they lose

[stone geode]

TB without meta

is so cringe

[stray yew]

wild game

[worn drift]

ye

uncontested bristle is just

exodia

[agile onyx]

ngl

[stone geode]

not a fan of tb

[agile onyx]

i missed the last game cause i forgot it was a bo3 for some reason

just thought Talon winning the first game meant they were in for the next day

[jolly crane]

wait who won? was watching poe

[thorny fiber]

1-1

[rugged cipher]

start next game already

[stray yew]

perfect roles models dont exist

then explain why does he exist

@jolly crane

[jolly crane]

[thorny fiber]

Long delays between every single game today

Fuck jenkins, can we have less jenkins

[rugged cipher]

been servers/gamecoordinator before so i guess its the same

[agile onyx]

i feel like the meta is regressing...

[stray yew]

i think its just long tournament meta right now

people are not gonna experiment right now

its not place for that

teams play w/e worked for them

[agile onyx]

i meant like

we're back to like 2 patches ago

like dusa and brood were never nerfed

[jolly crane]

especially not in a 15mil tourney

[thorny fiber]

Ace underlord

[jolly crane]

youre not gonna pull out the crazy pocket lastpick

in an elimination match

unless youre, well, crazy

[agile onyx]

wait my eyes are bad i thought that was dusa instead of MK

[thorny fiber]

We saw bristle last game

[agile onyx]

i need sleep

[jolly crane]

there were a few bristles this tourney

[thorny fiber]

Bristle has been played a whopping 2 times

[stray yew]

yatoro played it

[thorny fiber]

This entire tourney

[jolly crane]

but ye

[stray yew]

ye

[jolly crane]

good pick

just outrun lycan

[stray yew]

i think bb had good idea how to counter underlord

primal is insanely good

gpk just had bad game

[thorny fiber]

They should ban bristle

[stray yew]

you need break

nah i dont think you ban bristle into gg

because it gets countered by same thing as underlord

break

[jolly crane]

and you can play Silveredge on so many heroes now

even morph can get it

TA etc.

[stray yew]

morph is one of more flexible carries in that regard for sure

coz you can build basically anything

can even go sth like manta/silver edge/hex

(aghs somewhere in between)

[thorny fiber]

I just dislike the hero

[stray yew]

bristle?

[thorny fiber]

Picked once in the playoffs and i am already tired of it

[jolly crane]

i dont like heroes that have as massive a powerspike with aghs as bristle does

[stray yew]

wtf is gg gonna pick for carry

[jolly crane]

TA

[thorny fiber]

Bristle

[stray yew]

idk i dont see a pick

[jolly crane]

drow

[thorny fiber]

Kotl bristle pog

[agile onyx]

morph ta and bristle are in the pool

[jolly crane]

youre not picking morph

[stray yew]

morph ta dont rly like playing into darkseer

[jolly crane]

cuz drow is free

[stray yew]

especiall morph

[thorny fiber]

Pub lane

[stray yew]

drow ehh maybe

[jolly crane]

like, talon aint picking morph

cuz then GG picks drow