DotA

[worn drift]

hate all heroes with pure damage orbs

[rugged cipher]

sproink

whats the deal with saksa

why is aui suddenly gaming

[stray yew]

they just gave info he's sick

dont think they shared more than just this vague information

[rugged cipher]

didnt he miss the major also

[stray yew]

ye

that could mean he's bipolar schizophrenic or depressed

so yea kinda broad range

[rugged cipher]

he wanted home to macedonia cus gorp is there

[stray yew]

i bet saksa could step on gorgc

i got info my msg is getting deleted

but dont think it was

[rugged cipher]

lol double kill with 160dmg rocket

[stray yew]

m word forbidden

[rugged cipher]

from other side of map

[stray yew]

i guess moroes doesnt have power in 'thread' channels

@analog merlin idk who to tag about it

@jolly crane

[rugged cipher]

bug abuser

deleted now unless someone did it manually

[jolly crane]

i did

ye

and iirc last time saksa withdrew, blitz just tweeted "dont ask questions, just leave the man be"

so ye

[stray yew]

i mean yea just stating it could mean anything

its insanely stressful environment in general

[rugged cipher]

worst part is prolly insane bettors spamming dms and stuff

[stray yew]

ye for sure

you threw the game and i lost because of you

[rugged cipher]

xxs must be a quick caster

overwhelming odds and ult literally same millisec

maybe its standard nowdays

[jolly crane]

mustve gotten a lot of passive gold if he was only lv5 when he went afk but got 9k gold

did his team win for him 4v5?

[worn drift]

Just played a game of necrophos into 4 strength heroes

Needless to say heartstopper aura got some excellent value

Mid game was cancer tho i was only frontline and my wyvern 3 wouldnt just follow me around

[thorny fiber]

Trent just said Denmark has a tundra with very large confidence

NA people

[rugged cipher]

sr vs secret

[stone geode]

9p vs gg such a fun game to watch

[worn drift]

team spirit deleting xtreme stomp style looks like

[jolly crane]

gonna be a bunch of teams ending up at the same score i think

in group a

[rugged cipher]

9 pandas keep getting wombo combos but losing

[stone geode]

sick games

[rugged cipher]

solo actually got 322 on his back

[stray yew]

966pandas

[rugged cipher]

u think saksa will play TI or replaced

[stray yew]

can they afford to replace him

[worn drift]

miero enigma too potent

[stray yew]

coz you lose 20% points

for changing

no?

or is it locked atm

[rugged cipher]

true i dunno

[stray yew]

well easy to check

ye they can afford

to lose 20%

[rugged cipher]

i mean they got top3 bali major without but that was just cus pure incident

and looking poor now also

[stray yew]

they looked meh before last TI too

so

idk

ti be ti be rng

[rugged cipher]

ye but u dont wanna be swapping to coach aui mid tourney

i mean he is still solid but ye

[worn drift]

them being top 3 at major was actual fluke

[rugged cipher]

yeah they would not go so far from lb

[rugged cipher]

rtz fastest disconnecter in the west

[stray yew]

aui isnt that bad tbh

he has top top game knowledge

probably lacks mechanical skills at this point tho

but can make up for it

[rugged cipher]

well problem is just other hero pool and consistency with who u play with

[stray yew]

oh ye that aswell ofc

but tbh 1st series then with standin might be easier for you

coz people dont know how you will play with standin

[rugged cipher]

ye my point is just they might wanna get a replacement for the duration for the whole TI and a bit before to prac if its chances that saksa dips out mid tourney again etc if they actually wanna contend for top spots again

like GH mercenary would be pog

cus tehre is no way nigma quals

[stone geode]

insane bb games

giving me a heart attack

[stray yew]

you knwo that

and i know that

but

[rugged cipher]

i still think its super weird no open quals to get into regionals?

[stray yew]

tbh isnt that fair

if you didnt collect some dpc point or gotten into at least div 2

whats the point of your team anyway

you're some turbo memers and its a waste of time

[rugged cipher]

i dunno funny with some stacks of ppl getting replaced for ti quals

some ppl get big fucked over tbh

cus regional teams with spots can just kick u and replace

[stray yew]

also question is it tied to org or players then

ye i dont know if its tied to org

or if players have it

[rugged cipher]

looks just like orgs who has played div 1-2 and not qualed

many teams missing 1-2 players

like dendis team, he can actually bring in 3 good players and win teh na qual easily

especially if he go pos5 and get a non washed mid

[stray yew]

you know they have pole position to win NA qual

if nouns trolls

unironically they might be 2nd best team of NA

you know whats even funnier

[rugged cipher]

ye, i mean im guessing he is cooking with some pretty decent cis players who dont think they will make it in cis/western eu quals

[stray yew]

SA region getting 2 spots

when the only 2 relevant teams already qualified anyway

so its gonna be 7k avg mmr teams qualifying to TI

[rugged cipher]

wait eastern eu only got 1 qual spot and weu 2

how do SA got 2 and cis 1

actually robbery

ok eeu didnt have that many hot teams anyway tbh

but china only having 1 spot in quals is

[stray yew]

ehh it makes sense kinda

its just aster shitting the bed

and somehow not qualifying through points

and this XG team showing out of nowhere

and i think XG gonna qualify over aster

in regionals

[rugged cipher]

i mean why do SA have 2 qual spots

[stray yew]

no idea

it is most rampantly developing region

if you look at it that way

but 2 spots is definitely too uhm

too generous

i guess

[rugged cipher]

azure ray and ig is not to shabby either in china

[stray yew]

azure ray stack always shows up close to the TI

was same with elephants some tis ago

either previous ti or 2 tis ago

they are skilled enough to do damage

maybe qualify

but ye not much more

very sad

coz they have some insanely skilledp layers and they're good enough to compete right off the bat

[rugged cipher]

kinda old g stack but better

[stray yew]

ye definitely

[rugged cipher]

well ceb is going regular OG

guess topson get atf+2/3 if kitrak is still there

[stray yew]

actually true wonder where atf goes

if he can even go somewhere

[rugged cipher]

maybe magically fix contract with quest

but they seem to do ok in riyadh so

maybe the navi guy will play

[stray yew]

they could just be on honeymoon period

where they use old strats

and they still work

because of atf input

happens quite a lot in csgo

so id wait a lil bit

like in csgo what sometimes happened is teams would kick some worst player that is IGL and get some actual skilled guy and use old strats that would work for 2-3 tournaments

but then it goes to shit coz cant reinvent theeir playbook and stuff

so its over

[rugged cipher]

niko igl

[stray yew]

i dont think niko igl is even that bad

ofc his game tanks a lot

and its not worth and he shouldnt ever igl

he's just too good as other things in game

[rugged cipher]

ye but its always dont get results kick igl for 5th star

do 1 good tourney suffer

get new igl

[stray yew]

do you follow csgo a bit now? nikos team is doomed

im afraid he's one step from going igl

or maybe hunter is igling in his team

and they have hooxi that is worse than avg gold nova 2 player

and not even igling

thats some disasters happening there

[rugged cipher]

now and then but not since latest big shuffles like navi goign itnernational and stuff

[stray yew]

ye g2 decided to not swap playters

which is huge mistake imo

coz hooxi is just a liability

to give you perspective

they almost lost to eg in bo3 yday

they shouldve lost to eg even, they just got lucky that team is very inexperienced so they couldnt close bo3 when they had 15-10 lead

and eg is like biggest meme ever in csgo

[rugged cipher]

niko 1.24 rating last 3 months

[stray yew]

i guess eg in csgo is like nigma in dota 2

absolute biggest memes of the scene

[rugged cipher]

only know autimatic and junior in current eg

[stray yew]

ye their team is a bit more human

but look at g2 squa

d

its forbidden, it shouldnt even get close

and niko doing actual good numbers too

[rugged cipher]

entered hltv see 50 hate posts towads monesy

look like he had a bad series vs navi

[stray yew]

ye

but its w/e he is supposed to be 3rd best player

aka sometimes he will pop off and that will win you the game

and sometimes he wont

[rugged cipher]

isnt he regarded like the biggest talent in the scene though

[stray yew]

also g2 is absolute baboons for paying that much for him

he is for sure

who are you even bidding against

like bro they got lucky he turned out to be rly good

what if he shits the bed, cant play under pressure and shit

actually g2 should count their lucky stars

pay 500k for completely unproven player

i think they paid 1 mil for device

actual established top 3 player at that time with multiple huge performances in biggest tournaments

[rugged cipher]

well his NIP stint was basically getting dumped by gf and go full depresso and not play for 1-2 years

[stray yew]

ye idk what the real story is

danish players and getting fucked over by their gfs

[rugged cipher]

did they even recover money when he went back?

[stray yew]

was same with glaive at some point

think they paid similar amount to nip back for him

so id imagine they're on neutral balance

[rugged cipher]

his gf cheated on him multiple times, guess he found out when they moved in together full time i nsweden

[stray yew]

maybe slightly - because his salary was bad

sorry i meant to say salary was high

but maybe it was swedish government paying him

heard that story too

dont know how it is in sweden

[rugged cipher]

ye cs salaries are stupidly high for the low prize pools

just full on money laundring

[stray yew]

i mean he should have highest salary

ngl

[rugged cipher]

i just mean in the scene overall

[stray yew]

oh in that way for sure

[rugged cipher]

they get like 30k €+ per month

the biggest

its insane

[rugged cipher]

i mean they will cover up to like 2k€/month for sick leave nowhere near enough what he made

unless they got some big insurance but then its not govt

also timber look way to strong every game ive seen

[stray yew]

he's just good yea

has almsot no bad lane matchups too

[rugged cipher]

group a so tight before last round now

[manic ermine]

9p picking night stalker pos 1

[rugged cipher]

https://twitter.com/OGesports/status/1683174241926086657

OG (@OGesports)

Thanks Ammar <3 #RiyadhMasters

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[manic ermine]

when ramzes tips yatoro for the entire game

[rugged cipher]

did 9p actually throw that game

[manic ermine]

yeah spirit just casually coming back from mega creeps

[rugged cipher]

xg just went 0-6 last 3 games

[humble yew]

jesus I hate this when yu have 5 diferent stream channels and shit

doesnt even show up in recomendations

[jolly crane]

https://www.multitwitch.tv/Gamers8GG/Gamers8GG_b/Gamers8GG_c/Gamers8GG_d/Gamers8GG_e/Gamers8GG_f

last 2 arent being used anymore ig so can just do up to D

[rugged cipher]

interesting that gamers8 riyadh tourneys give 15 mill to dota and 1 mill to csgo

csgo prolly bring way more viewers

even though its sport washing

[thorny fiber]

well 1 mil is a small tourney in dota

and they want it to be a premier tournament

so have to get close to TI values

[rugged cipher]

sr also with the big throw

[rugged cipher]

secret-tundra is such a game

[silver geyser]

People keep brining this up and no one seems to realize that's it's cause dota is like the most popular pc game mena by a fair margin

[rugged cipher]

well sportwashing should not be aimed at their own region

[silver geyser]

Fair point I guess

[silver geyser]

timado

[stone geode]

the best thing about play offs is no more 4 concurrent streams

and hopefully no MLP casting

also how tf is tundra in tie breakers

[silver geyser]

no saksa

[stone geode]

they were awful

but somehow 2 teams just as awful

[silver geyser]

psg...

[stone geode]

always believe in cis jugg

[silver geyser]

[rugged cipher]

tundra throw inc also

would be fun to see both NA teams eliminated though

[silver geyser]

cmon

na dota is okay

we got quinn

is it replays of tiebreakers now?

[rugged cipher]

no tundra is through if they beat SR

[stray yew]

i think if they go 1-1-1 they'd go 1v1 mid after

all up to this game tho

[rugged cipher]

na going home 100%

[stone geode]

dont count rtz out

[rugged cipher]

[stone geode]

[rugged cipher]

he gonna bore opponent to death by hitting creeps

[stray yew]

ye shopify will lose

and right as we say that

shopify will shitstomp the game 20-3

and just win

coz pro dota 2 makes no sense

[stone geode]

I just want bb to win the tournament

[silver geyser]

i will say id personally hate playing any hero on tundra into veno this game

seems so fucking annoying

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

im from the future

[silver geyser]

the gift of prophecy

[stray yew]

i can tell you i see rtz lifting up the aegis 3rd time back to back to back breaking all the TI records

former og roster in shambles

no longer most accomplished dota 2 team of all times

skitter still has a game honestly

and brood is brood

and tb.. idk whenever i see tb i always see a way of him getting kited/stunlocked to death

[silver geyser]

bs into that team seems kinda awful if the rest of your team isnt doing well

they just kill you no?

[stray yew]

especially with bat

[stone geode]

did you see the 9p game earlier today

where they lost with megas against TB

[stray yew]

nah didnt see

but its good tb wins a game i swear i hate that hero

always just dies/gets stunlocked

or kited

[stray yew]

even tho i love hero and its fun to play

[stone geode]

TB too hard

does nothing without meta

[rugged cipher]

why is rtz suddenly most active core world

[stone geode]

my fav carry is anti mage

always a soft spot for that hero

[stray yew]

upgraded farming patterns

include farming enemy heroes now

@rugged cipher

[stone geode]

farm neutrals while your base dies min 20

[rugged cipher]

well tundra still outfarm them now

4v1 gank and they die

[stray yew]

brood

[stone geode]

abed

[rugged cipher]

[stone geode]

NA gank

[silver geyser]

im confused

why are snap and tide so poor

didnt they do really well early

[rugged cipher]

cus they run around as 5 chasing kills

but dying instead

[silver geyser]

unluck

[stray yew]

its just tundra playing like tundra

not fighting and playing map better than everyone else

[rugged cipher]

extra rat with aui

[stray yew]

thats how they should play with standin anyway

standin like aui*

guy has exceptional understanding of how to play the game

but probably mechanical skill not that insane i assume

doubt he plays 10 pubs a days like them

good enough to beat top 1 NA

[stone geode]

NA has been a meme for a while

[stray yew]

ye avg tb experience

sit in stun even in bkb

pango is such a fucking idiot hero holy fuck

[silver geyser]

aui actually plays a decent amount of pubs i think

[stray yew]

i get tilted from watching it

[rugged cipher]

sr's sups just feel so useless at this point of the game

fuck are u gonna do with a mirana

[silver geyser]

moonlight ravage into lose fight

duh

[stone geode]

I think of quinn when I see pango

and I want to punch both of them

[stray yew]

NA down

balance in nature

restored

[stone geode]

NA

[silver geyser]

i cant believe they put both NA teams in the same group

[stray yew]

and neither of them

qual

[rugged cipher]

i mean other group was 2x as hard

would not even get tb

[silver geyser]

yeah thats what i mean

put tsm in the other group balance it out a little

[stone geode]

both groups kinda hard when you dogshit

actually kind of a meme to call them NA when they have 2 NA players combined

[stray yew]

tommorow all these games

[stone geode]

As an European it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn’t think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought ‘What is the difference’. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.

[manic ermine]

Looks like we're getting gg vs liquid early this time

[rugged cipher]

bb vs gg final seems probable

[thorny fiber]

Thank you, he is genuinely awful

[stone geode]

groaned when I saw he was casting BB games today

[jolly crane]

No one is worse than gareth

[stone geode]

was he with fogged?

[silver geyser]

did they cheap out on casters or did the good ones just not want to do it

[stone geode]

they have to have many casters with 4+ games going on at the same time

[jolly crane]

gareth was casting with waga

but it doesnt matter

[stone geode]

and shifts

[jolly crane]

the problem with him is his game knowledge is like 3k mmr level

and the worst thing by far is the way he talks

[stone geode]

ah yes, it was the american dude with fogged

[jolly crane]

he has this REALLY annoying inflection at the end of every sentence

so it always sounds like a question

[stone geode]

yeah he is annoying as hell

[jolly crane]

cuz his voice goes up

[stone geode]

t1 casters for playoffs I hope

[jolly crane]

its really really grating to listen to it

[rugged cipher]

Bring back herald moxi

[jolly crane]

ye its like

very rare to have good casters

[stone geode]

you only hate her because she is a woman

[jolly crane]

cap/svg duo is great, sunsfan/syndered i liked a lot

[stone geode]

yeah

svg can be a little annoying but its not too bad

[jolly crane]

bkop+black was nice cuz they both know their shit

but no one wants to invite bkop cuz idk why

[stone geode]

anything happened with synd?

[jolly crane]

nah he was casting bali

[stone geode]

hasnt casted since dleague I think

[jolly crane]

i think at least?

but ye

lyrical/trent is solid enough as well

[stone geode]

isnt listed on liquipedia for bali

[rugged cipher]

Lyrical is trying to fake hype everything that is happening

Gets annoying real fast

[stone geode]

who was it that was casting LGD

[jolly crane]

ye it was sunsfan+jenkins, synd wasnt there

the problem with the fake hype casting is that you kinda need decent game sense and knowledge to not suddenly hype up stupid shit

[stone geode]

clinkz goes mental and dies solo with aegis and they barely mention it in passing

[jolly crane]

but with lyrical its still fine cuz he knows the game well enough

[stone geode]

like bro he just threw the entire game and you cant even say it

but then are shouting ooooh that hero is in trouble when he clearly isnt and is just going to walk away

[jolly crane]

ye

sadge that XG went out

after having good start

but when you cant beat EG or OG then you kinda deserve it 😄

tbf group A was like stacked compared to group B

[stone geode]

still funny to me how BB swept everyone but got 2-0ed by secret

[thorny fiber]

Lyrical is a real nerd

When i was at the Stockholm major he was watching every game from the normal stands and wrote down stuff in some notebook

Like actually just cares a lot from what it seems

Bkop has bowel issues afaik

Which is why he only does online?

[worn drift]

wasn't that cap

as in the caster not the slang for lie

[thorny fiber]

Both

Have the same issue

Iirc

They can like randomly shit themselves or something

[jolly crane]

they both have crohns, ye

but bkop is a lot worse apparently

so yeah

unlucky

but ye iirc cap was casting in diapers or some stuff

[silver geyser]

Yeah at ti

[worn drift]

Oil princes shelling out some decent cash i see

[rugged cipher]

lyan pos1

[stone geode]

lil shredder in chrono

[rugged cipher]

doom mvp

[jolly crane]

why trackdota not working

lowkey think quest shouldve stalled that aegis

wait for 60min

grab a book of shadows or 2

was surprised they went hg after rosh

also not a single force staff against aoe doom

[rugged cipher]

aoe doom just got purchased before last fight

[jolly crane]

i mean even before

force good item

against melee carry

but ye mostly surprised they forced the game at the end

aegis wouldve lasted until 61min, buyback wouldve been back at 63

and you couldve grabbed all the t5 items

book of shadows wouldve completely ruined the chronos

[jolly crane]

slight mid diffy

[stray yew]

ember shits on pango in lane

its almost unplayable matchup for pango

zai

[jolly crane]

i dont think ive seen zai play a good game in a long time

yet liquid still wins a lot

[stray yew]

long pause

time for gg to comeback now right

is zai

biggest clown

or wtf is the situation

[jolly crane]

idk dude

zai is just

trolling every game i feel

[stray yew]

tbh

it was dyrachyo playing big

he split the fight and blocked mk from connecting

mk couldnt move coz he was legit blocked + tagged by ulted slark

[jolly crane]

okay that was nice familiar stun

after nisha trolled

[stray yew]

dyrachyo playing super well this game honestly

[jolly crane]

ye

hard slark game

jesus

no fear

really impressive play

[stray yew]

ye he is the only carry i think in entire pro scene that isnt scared of dying

and going in

[jolly crane]

nisha just

overplaying super hard in front of bot rax

[stray yew]

https://tenor.com/view/quinn-quinn-callahan-ccnc-dota2-dota-gif-27629731

[jolly crane]

where he remnants in, lion precasts impale

and then he just dies insta

[stray yew]

idk why no bkb on ember

in a game vs sky/lion

sounds cocky af

and pango too

if your cores dont build bkb into pango

you dont deserve to win in my eyes

notably one of worst hero to play into with no bkb

[agile onyx]

Good morning. How doomed are my boys on liquid?

[stray yew]

they were winning

but then pause happened

and they lost

[agile onyx]

Oh nooooooo

Paused to give them the script revision

[jolly crane]

nah nisha just trolled

after being super ahead

no bkb/suepr aggressive plays

then dies with 0 impact 3 fights in a row

he does that a lot

[stray yew]

ye ngl that feels like nisha ember every game recently

rly good early/midgame

but later on feeds

coz never bkb

[jolly crane]

ye

nisha in general

on heroes like storm/void as well

nerf morph

[stray yew]

why

zai is playing lane bad

he should've been stacking his ancients long time ago with ions hell

thats what 33 does

[agile onyx]

:(

[stray yew]

if there is a hero that 33 played and you dont do same shit as him you're probably playing hero wrong

wtf is this chain feed

[jolly crane]

cant wait for nisha to troll game again

by not playing bkb

or overplaying hard

[stray yew]

ye

he wont buy bkb again

and they will lose

[agile onyx]

I have faith

[jolly crane]

didnt have to wait long

[agile onyx]

Nisha replaces boot with bkb in 30 minutes

[jolly crane]

he bought one

1-1 secured

[stray yew]

is it

[jolly crane]

nah

idk what hes doing

in enemy jungle like that

after his monkey gets initiated 1 screen away from him

[stray yew]

i swear morph buys aghs

gets swap into space cow

and they win

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

that thing is mega busted

[jolly crane]

nerf morph

clearly

but ye like nisha just

[stray yew]

no

nerf spacecow

[jolly crane]

thinks hes the godplayer

or smth

and does weird shit

[stray yew]

hero with 80% status res on close to 100% uptime

[jolly crane]

wins every early game almost but then just overplays his hand, feeds killstreaks and highest networth advantage

[stray yew]

very good idea

liquid draft is still insane

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

traps everywhere with bara charge

11k nw hero

can do so much

[jolly crane]

prolly have to play linkens

cuz you just

netherstrike the pango

in roll

and TA will kill you

zai panic

no wall

[stray yew]

idk i still have feeling liquid will throw it

razor will be king of this game with 1 more item

[jolly crane]

ye

monkey will fall off hard

[stray yew]

ta shard is insanely strong tho

quinn just dies in a single silence

[jolly crane]

ye

he can just kill him during the roll

dunno if him just playing lotus or shivas is enough

think he needs linkens

sick charge on the illusion

[stray yew]

its space cow factor this game

[jolly crane]

TA xp advantage was huge this game as well

[stray yew]

liquid rly likes mk

[agile onyx]

That's faith beyond right?

Lmao auto correct

Faith Bian*

[stray yew]

ye faith bian

i guess trhey rly think its mk carry

[agile onyx]

I'm always impressed with how often he says stuff that like, I kinda know unconsciously, but he says it really concisely

[stray yew]

not even banning stuff like drow

[agile onyx]

Like yeah, monkey king is good cause he's a carry that offers team fight control and that's rare

[stray yew]

faith bian is one of most respected pros to ever play the game i think

even tho i think the only reason he knows english is because his gf/fiance/wife dont know relation used to be translator in events

[agile onyx]

Faith Bian owns.

[stray yew]

ye sad he isnt playing anymore honestly

he was part of legendary wings team that managed to win ti6

[agile onyx]

Yeah what happened to wings was a travesty

He almost got second aegis too, which was sick

[stray yew]

what even happened to that team

was it team that got banned for some china racism stuff?

or is it different story

[agile onyx]

I don't remember, iirc there was a lot of organizational politics issues

[stray yew]

that was their team

faith bian/y played in lgd roster

rest of players i dont remember seeing ever

[agile onyx]

I remember seeing ice ice somewhere else too. Don't remember seeing blink or shadow at all.

But yeah, their org had a failed league of legends investment/possible corruption scandal which led to them not being paid. Also ACE (Chinese esports overseeing body) had soft banned Wings from scrimming with their members organizations. So they were kinda just dead and let themselves get signed with other orgs.

And then for signing them

That org got suspended from ace

[stray yew]

that game is looking grim

[silver geyser]

gg in shambles

a classic liquid throw incoming

[jolly crane]

well he moved to germany i think

with his gf

cuz shes studying in germany iirc

[agile onyx]

I don't think I've ever seen Rubick steal ball lightning in a pro game before

That's kinda sick

[silver geyser]

nisha

bro

wtf

[agile onyx]

Nisha built a bkb

Its so over

[stone geode]

lolquid are doing it

[silver geyser]

only took them 6(?) series vs gg to win one?

[stone geode]

its not over until its over

[jolly crane]

nisha xp advantage is kinda too much both games

lv 21 minute 27

zai

what is he doing

[stray yew]

why is it even a game

[jolly crane]

cuz zai is trying his hardest

to throw

[stray yew]

timbersaw 68 dmg

[silver geyser]

liquid started taking shots mid game

[agile onyx]

Timber about to buy a moonshard

[jolly crane]

ye

[agile onyx]

Moonshard daedalus

[jolly crane]

like

zai stands there

while creepwave hits tower

then runs uphill

without creeps

right as enemy creepwave spawns

[silver geyser]

micke also died randomly like twice at 20 minutes for no reason

[jolly crane]

couldve just let the TA hti buildings

with aegis

but nah, gotta run uphill like an idiot

and duel into a timbersaw with lotus

against oracle

after eating full kotl wave

actual troll player

[silver geyser]

dont forget he didnt eat the cheese before doing it

[stone geode]

lactose intolerant

[agile onyx]

I think one of those Micke deaths were like, fine. Just unlucky. One of them was just him hitting neutrals under his tier two and 3 gg players show up out of nowhere, like that's fine.

You die and you wonder wtf they're doing there

[silver geyser]

sheep stick complete and butterfly almost done

if gg win that fight its a possible win

[stone geode]

gg usually know what to do in the gamestate they are in

liquid can throw

[agile onyx]

I believe in liquid to pass the braincel around and not throw

[stray yew]

throw

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

tbh it is massive pain in the butt pushing into storm

in his fountain

[stone geode]

wukong

[jolly crane]

quinn

[silver geyser]

whos mj is that

mks?

[jolly crane]

quinn deciding to get boundlessed twice

how many more times

does quinn wanna make that play

before he learns?

[silver geyser]

its like the only thing they can do rn tho

[jolly crane]

they can have the timber initiating

with the storm picking off the support

[silver geyser]

the 10k nw timber?

[jolly crane]

instead of him going in, hexing the TA and getting silenced/stunned 7times

ye, id rather send the 10k NW timber in with aghs shield

than the storm that gets silenced/dies every time

[silver geyser]

welp gg

[jolly crane]

just means GG will win grand finals against liquid again

[agile onyx]

GG's turn for the lower bracket sweep into losing to their rival in finals

[silver geyser]

i cant believe secret made it to the playoffs

[stone geode]

oh no no

[stray yew]

ye

bb gonna drop lower bracket

and lose

to only team they lost to

[stone geode]

if BB lose to 9p they going to sweat

[stray yew]

[agile onyx]

What's the next match?

Nvm I'm blind

[stone geode]

spirit synced down to their shoes

[stone geode]

why did ember go radiance

[jolly crane]

Triple right click cores, Radi burn miss chance good value

[silver geyser]

god a 2018/19 classic

magic damage ember

you'd go radiance with cowl and shit

just run around burning people

iith the spell amp talent

that was right around the time a started playing

[stone geode]

I thought bristle was going radiance but thats not the build anymore I dont think

[silver geyser]

delays his timing to much probably

[jolly crane]

Aghs is just better

And kinda does the same thing

Allows bristle to flash farm

[silver geyser]

i cant remember if radiance still has the aoe miss chance or if it just gives evasion

[stone geode]

yeah that was before the aghs nerf

[silver geyser]

its changed to often

[stone geode]

I mean change

[jolly crane]

Oh yeah idk if it still has that

Just assumed it did

Weird clinkz game

[stone geode]

2nd time ive seen pos1 clinkz and it didnt look good in either game

[silver geyser]

it give 15% evasion and has a 15% miss chance in the aura

[jolly crane]

Had no Frontline

Brood just didn't fit into that draft at all

[silver geyser]

is pos 1 clinkz one of these chinese picks that no one else plays

[stone geode]

I think psg played it before and it was bad, also fucked up in crucial fights

[silver geyser]

that does iinsane in china and then just looks awful on lan

[jolly crane]

Nah clinkz is dead hero

[silver geyser]

like pos 1 NS a few years ago

[stone geode]

antares pos 4 clinkz was great

[jolly crane]

It's more played as pos 4 or 5

[stone geode]

soloing enemy mids

with orchid

[silver geyser]

yeah pos 4 clinkz is good

[stone geode]

doesnt make sense as pos1 to me

because you want to hunt

and thats not what pos1 does

perfect for pos54

[silver geyser]

you usually play it with a more carry like mid like TA and then kinda switch roles and clinks plays the 2 (I assume this is the play)

problem is if you dont start snowballing its hard for clinkz to get into the game

who replaced bobako on aster btw? i havent seen them play since the change

[stone geode]

kaka I believe

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

boboka

not bobako

[silver geyser]

sorry lol

[stone geode]

idk about that lesh pick

[stray yew]

naga very big

what was order of picks

[jolly crane]

ngl i hate how stompy games are

[stone geode]

naga was 4th hero for spirit, lesh last pick

[jolly crane]

most of them, at least

[stone geode]

aster 1st pick ember

[jolly crane]

almost every mid matchup is just

completely one-sided after 15min

[stone geode]

dont remember the rest

[jolly crane]

you ahve 1 mid with twice the netwroth of the other mid

yatoro gonna have 300cs by minute 20

[stray yew]

ye and yatoro died twice

even

[jolly crane]

did he just steal song, and run into naga song, was slept, but naga wasnt slept by the rubick song?

[silver geyser]

it is really hard to get back into a lane after even one death cause the other guy can just rotate and kill a side lane and even if it goes bad your team has to commit tps to the rotation and you might maybe catch back up

[jolly crane]

its just funny comparing this naga vs rtz naga play

who sucks on lane, has to catch up in jungle and doesnt contribute at all to his team for 30 minutes

[jolly crane]

its too easy to get starved mid cuz you dont have easily accessible bounty rune or small camps anymore

that you can get for some extra cs

[stray yew]

i mean its unfair comparison

because he had no clear counter on lane

[jolly crane]

theres been rtz games where he had free game

and had half the impact yatoro already had

[stray yew]

well thats becuase shopify doesnt know how to play with naga

just as a concept

i think they feel like ye our 1 will have top NW = win

[stone geode]

slark

[stray yew]

but you pick naga to push lanes and win resource/nutrition war

and eventually close your enemy i nbase

coz that hero is awful at any 5v5

[silver geyser]

rtz is the "farming pos 1" but isnt even as good at farming as many more active pos 1 players

[jolly crane]

well ye

rtz brain

bulba brain

[stray yew]

its fine this ti they finally realise changes are needed

[stone geode]

they need some change

[jolly crane]

need rtz to retire and just stream

[stone geode]

gg 2ez

[jolly crane]

doom on lesh

aster always makes it to upper bracket somehow

and then just plays

badly

[stone geode]

shopify TI is going to be scrape out of groups and drop 1st LB game

was it last TI they topped groups and then lost both bo3s

in playoffs

[silver geyser]

NA region is free money and im pretty sure rtz hates streaming so not much reason to disband

[jolly crane]

idk

cant imagine it feels good

to be memed and clowned on every event

[silver geyser]

it really depends on if you care

[jolly crane]

ig they dont

[silver geyser]

i imagine for someone like rtz who has turned dota into a career but his best days are clearly behind him in terms of chance to compete

he just wants to make as much money as he can with as little effort as possible

and honestly dont blame him

[jolly crane]

dunno, bootcamping and flying around all the time, practicing for a long time for tourney etc.

not knowing how long your sponsor is gonna accept that you kinda just suck

cant imagine it being a very comfortable position to be in

[worn drift]

oh wtf

aster already got 2-0'd

i just looked and they were drafting

[stone geode]

schooled by spirit

[silver geyser]

spirit is chinese killers

[worn drift]

didnt aster elim them from last tourny

[agile onyx]

man

that aster game made me depressed

[jolly crane]

@stray yew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OmLqLwZolo

"theres never been a situation in which i wish i could hit my trap"

https://twitter.com/BetBoomTeam/status/1683776216929640449

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[stray yew]

https://tenor.com/view/quinn-quinn-callahan-ccnc-dota2-dota-gif-27629731

[jolly crane]

just too funny

that he said that in this way

[worn drift]

lmfao

[jolly crane]

month later his TB gets killed by that exact mechanic

[worn drift]

thano quinn

[jolly crane]

sick play by nisha tho

[worn drift]

wait what happened in gg vs liquid

[stray yew]

weird things

g1 was kinda even but gg edget out

g2 was even and liquid slowly edged it

g3 was mega stomp but gg made it a game anyway but too shit early game

[jolly crane]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AwkwardDeliciousSpaghettiBCWarrior-LbXGS7GnC5m3LqHi

man doesnt even react

[worn drift]

oh thats insane actually

what a gigachad

[silver geyser]

can i get a rundown on whats happening in this game

i dont have audio and can only glance occasionally

did bb throw a little

it kinda seems like it

[worn drift]

Uhh not really throw 9pandas kinda just outplaying early game atm

Making good usages of night stalker

[jolly crane]

Nightstalker

Best dota hero

[stone geode]

pos 4 doom more nw than bb pos1

is most of the gold lead

[jolly crane]

Would be funny if Rosh moved to the other pit during eclipse/ns ult/supernova

[worn drift]

[rugged cipher]

do they actually just turn off the light at ur spot when u die

looks annoying

[jolly crane]

Just don't die

i shiver in cringe everytime i hear "2-b-team"

[worn drift]

Ye i lm just watching nix stream

Also 9pandas are gonna win this off ns making oracle unplayable

[silver geyser]

love playing night stalker. hate when hes meta because its always so terrifying

getting run down like an animal by this dude

[jolly crane]

ye his ult rework made me really love the hero

just very thematic

[silver geyser]

when was the rework>

?

[jolly crane]

2 or 3y att his point

[silver geyser]

what did they change

cause i honestly dont remember it ever being different since i started playing

[jolly crane]

ult used to just turn day into night

game didnt have set 5minute day/time window back then

was just 5min duration, so if you used ult multiple times during daytime, youd have like 80% nighttime uptime

[silver geyser]

interesting

[jolly crane]

so he wouldnt have flying movement or bonus dmg etc.

[silver geyser]

it was in the patch i started playing lol

[rugged cipher]

love how everyone just spams @pure in chat when its paused in bb games

[silver geyser]

also it was almost 5 years ago

[jolly crane]

ye ig time flies

[worn drift]

Fucking bkb doom 4

[jolly crane]

when they said it was gonna get reworked

[silver geyser]

or actually 2 patches after i started playing

[worn drift]

This doom has more nw than enemy 2

[jolly crane]

i was hoping for it to be reworked into heroes of newerth dark lady ultimate

[silver geyser]

i sstarted playing right after ti 8

[worn drift]

Jumps presses bkb and just presses doom on a core actually hilarious

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JMcP2/e7f184704c.png

this ult was so good

teamfighting with 400 vision and no shared ally vision was

not fun

[silver geyser]

why is my storm 18k networth at 40 minutes

is this game 1?

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JMcQ5/fc3193b3cf.jpg

[silver geyser]

actually i take it back. unless this was a late storm pick this game is like impossiible for him if his mk isnt farmed

[worn drift]

Bro this doom is fucking massive

[silver geyser]

if it was a late pick storm maybe they shouldnt have gone to bulba for drafting help

[stone geode]

storm kotl first 2

[silver geyser]

yeah makes sense

[jolly crane]

storm kinda

doesnt really do the hypercarry position anymore anyway

you kinda cant play int heroes in that role

his job is to pick off supports

[silver geyser]

yeah i just mean this game is really hard for him to pick off anyone

[worn drift]

Too bad 1 of the supps is a core

[jolly crane]

its just in general gotten harder and harder cuz supports are tankier

being able to pick your neutral item helps a lot

usually as support youd just get leftovers

[silver geyser]

like who are you jumping as storm this game at like 20 min

silencer??

[worn drift]

Ye its only target

[jolly crane]

you cant really jump people in midgame anymore anyway

[silver geyser]

getting near that hero as storm feels awful tho and he didnt go euls

[jolly crane]

storm travel speed is just too shit

[silver geyser]

god i guess 20 min is midgame these days

but yeah idk i would hate to play storm in this game

[jolly crane]

even if he were farmed it would be a horrible game

so yeah they just gave farming prio to pure

cuz they cant kill the DK

[worn drift]

Imo if storm doesn’t have a stellar early game his later impact is devalued a lot more than other mids

Unless its like a super free game

[jolly crane]

that antares blink

made me sad

[silver geyser]

you can also go sheep stick aghs and be a stun guy

[jolly crane]

in pro games you dont really find solo pickoffs that often

unless youre hunting for them, but then youre not farming

[silver geyser]

storm feels really hard to play rn

his window where he has the mana to make like 2 man plays but not get full rotated on is so small

[jolly crane]

storm needs power runes to make plays

pmuch

[silver geyser]

guess thats why everyone is picking him with kotl this tourny

[jolly crane]

just like puck

and a few other mids like voidspirit

its why most of them have fallen off a bit

[silver geyser]

puck will always be okay

[jolly crane]

if you have a haste or dd or regen as storm? yeah, you get kills in early/mid

but without power runes you do nothing

[silver geyser]

coil is a good spell and just being an annoying asshole who takes forever to kill will always have value

[jolly crane]

you dont have hte manapool to kill people and then even if you do, you get punished and die after

[jolly crane]

its getting picked less and less tho

theres just much better and aggressive mids

think you typically only see puck with smth like tiny

cuz you have constant coil trigger

[stone geode]

ramzes lives again

[jolly crane]

the NS kinda useless in the fights atm

[silver geyser]

true but i think puck is one of those heroes like ember where even when they are out of the meta they still have games where they are good

GOD

it feels like tiny has been bad for 2 years

at least as a mid

and 4

[jolly crane]

well he was pmuch 100% pick/ban for the 2 years before that 😄

[stone geode]

[jolly crane]

lul

[silver geyser]

i feel the same with PL

[jolly crane]

overload bounce

just tore through him there

that creepwave

ruined his life there

[silver geyser]

its like TI 8 pl was really good and since then hes been broken like twice and instantly nerfed into unplayable

which sucks cause hes my fav illusion hero

i guess dota has just kinda moved past that style of hero

[jolly crane]

just very situational

[silver geyser]

you either gotta have impact very fast or farm very fast

[jolly crane]

many heroes atm are only good against certain other heroes

the amount of heroes that are kinda "evergreen" picks is much smaller than it used to

thats why you see the same ~40 heroes every game

[silver geyser]

the slow farmers who are insane later just dont work as much anymore

[worn drift]

thats ideal no?

[jolly crane]

depends on the ratio

[worn drift]

having least amount of cookie cutter picks that just fit in all the time

and most situational

[jolly crane]

if you have 30-40heroes permapick/ban and the rest is situational, then no

[silver geyser]

its good when those 40 heroes rotate

[jolly crane]

if its 50-60 that are solid and then 50-60 more that are situational, sure

but its just too few heroes atm

many heroes fill the same niche

[silver geyser]

but like 25 of them have been the same for 3 years

[jolly crane]

like, old marci meta

why would you ever play a sandking or shaker

when marci exists

why play dazzle

when undying exists

[worn drift]

ye

undying metas are so sleeper

i hate tombstone