DotA

[jolly crane]

so he can replace someone in the post-TI shuffle in one of the "good" teams

[rugged cipher]

they are legit like one of the best non qualed teams alrdy

[thorny fiber]

In WEU?

Idk did you look at the teams

[rugged cipher]

of all regions

[thorny fiber]

They might be one of the better teams

[rugged cipher]

just look at their major performance

[jolly crane]

its already such a shitshow like

why create new twitch channels

for this

why not just stream on the esl channels

no one is watching this

[thorny fiber]

Ye idk

[jolly crane]

cuz it doesnt even show up in recommended cuz its a new channel

[thorny fiber]

I hate dota streams for that

Always doing 10 streams

[jolly crane]

thats fine, if they do team stream and stuff

but like

what the fuck is gamers8gg

why not use the 5 esl dota channels that everybody follows at this point

[thorny fiber]

Ye but i dont want to follow like 50 accounts to know when a game is played

[jolly crane]

and get twice the viewership

[thorny fiber]

Its weird

Is what it is

Shit

[stone geode]

depends on the tournament organizer I guess?

[jolly crane]

aster/VP and it has 4k viewers. pog.

[stone geode]

not even a squad stream smh

[thorny fiber]

Riyadh is ESL or?

[jolly crane]

ye

but hey

ESL TOURNEYS ARE ALWAYS SO GOOD

NO TECHNICAL ISSUES
already had 3 pauses

from crashing PCs and lag

[thorny fiber]

Is there no couch stream?

Or am i blind

Just a bunch of single game streams

[rugged cipher]

think it starts in group stage

[jolly crane]

not for the play-in

[rugged cipher]

not during play in

[thorny fiber]

Alright

Hard to keep track

On how its going

[jolly crane]

ye its a bit weird

[thorny fiber]

At least its not a 7 day tourney

Or is it?

Maybe it is

[jolly crane]

its a 11day tourney

[thorny fiber]

Jesus

Why

[jolly crane]

finals are on the 30th

[thorny fiber]

Majors are also so long now, they play 3 games a day..

[jolly crane]

cuz they have 8 out of 16 direct invited teams that are already in the group stage, and now they have 16 teams that are doing play-in to qualify for the other 8 spots

[thorny fiber]

Lazy gamers

Just rapid fire the games

[jolly crane]

once the play-in is over, the have a proepr group stage and then playoffs

[rugged cipher]

Its 45 degrees in riyadh so they cant go outside also

[thorny fiber]

Back to back to back games

[jolly crane]

i just think

bo2 groupstage is dogshit

[thorny fiber]

Its so boring

[jolly crane]

just do swiss

thanks

[thorny fiber]

Idk who they made it for

[jolly crane]

csgo does it

and its great

[thorny fiber]

Who wants the bo2 bracket

[jolly crane]

swiss format best format, dont @ me

[thorny fiber]

Show ur face

[jolly crane]

bo3 swiss and itd be faster

and get better results

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Like its a lottery

Which group you end up in

[jolly crane]

but ye i mean

its 6 channels

[thorny fiber]

Shit casters too

No offense

[jolly crane]

ye i mean

NS has more viewers than the english streams combined

[thorny fiber]

Ye its bulldog for english

And i dont like bulldog

[jolly crane]

but ye i mean, its 6 games per day

which i think is a decent amount

6 games per team, i mean

3 matches

so play in stuff is done after 3 days

[thorny fiber]

Yep

Thats good at least

Lots of games today

[jolly crane]

theres nothing to go outside to

even if temps were lower

anything worth going to is indoor with AC

and a few roof-gardens that are fully air conditioned as well

[thorny fiber]

Its kinda weird

[jolly crane]

friend of mine did a lot of work in dubai and riyadh

[thorny fiber]

Someone told me that saudiarabia is ”modern” and like doesnt look like shit, but it just has no restaurants and nothing fun to do

[jolly crane]

its basically just cities that are designed

its also hugely expensive

cuz majority of their water comes from the sea so it has to be desalinated first

[thorny fiber]

A friend of mine worked in riyadh for some chemistry thing

And said it was the most boring place he has been too

[jolly crane]

ye

you move from like

[thorny fiber]

Would rather go to senegal to work

In his own words

[jolly crane]

one indoor area to another

rarely see the sky

[thorny fiber]

Weird place

[jolly crane]

many of trhese cities will be ghost towns in a few decades i think

[thorny fiber]

Arent they building this long ass strip in the desert?

[jolly crane]

cuz its not sustainable

and the oil wealth will dry up more and more

[thorny fiber]

Its why they spend so much money on pop culture

[rugged cipher]

arent they gonna host winter olympics or something in the desert

[jolly crane]

already seen it in other countries that either ran out or are struggling to sustai nwith the sinking oil price

[thorny fiber]

To attract westerners/increase tourism, like dubai has managed to

[jolly crane]

taht wont last

cuz people dont visit dubai repeatedly other than to brag

cuz theres nothing there

its a tourist attraction for rich people or middle class people to "feel rich" but thats not gonna last for more than 2-3 decades, max

[thorny fiber]

Rough trying to enforce extremely boring sharia laws that forbid anything exciting and being a fun place to live in

[jolly crane]

thats part of it, but its also just plateauing

the actual workers can barely afford to live there

[rugged cipher]

i will have a layover in dubai, maybe got time to check out what the fuzz is about

[thorny fiber]

Its pretty and expensive

[rugged cipher]

but 4h is prolly to little time

[jolly crane]

but ye, theyre trying to wash their image through all these events and expos

in order to get away from relying on the oil wealth

[thorny fiber]

The saudi league is being backed by their gov

In football

Buying players with gov money

As part of some marketing budget

Prob

[rugged cipher]

chelsea sent half of their 60 man squad there

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Its wild

But afaik saudi has 0% tax on income

So they could just tune that up once the oil dries out

[rugged cipher]

faith bian joining english analysts

[thorny fiber]

He did that for another tournament too right

As in not the first time

Iirc

[stray yew]

in berlin i think

[rugged cipher]

good niche, he can prolly get invited to any eu desk he wants just to give insight on cn scene

[thorny fiber]

100%

Easy foot in

[stray yew]

there isnt many chinese region ex players that speak english good enough so yea

[jolly crane]

jimpark hardcarrying

what a chad

disassembled aeon disk on pos1

to counter the 1man blackhole

http://puu.sh/JLJhK/72c018dc31.jpg

imagine losing this game

[stray yew]

og is playing bad

[jolly crane]

ye for sure

[rugged cipher]

well he boguht it and waited to assemble it

[jolly crane]

but also just

[rugged cipher]

just before fight

[stray yew]

ye thats classic

[jolly crane]

really solid play from beastcoast

ye its a classic for like a mid or support

rare to see it from a carry

[stray yew]

naa there was meta where even carries were building aeon disks

and that trick became meta

which ended up in them giving aeon disk levels

some time ago

so its longer cd with every use

[stone geode]

9p also losing 0-2 to quest while winning both games

gyro carrying a game in 2023

[jolly crane]

a better team wouldve won that game easily i think

[stray yew]

did the game end?

did beastcoast win?

had to go pick up phone call

[stone geode]

yes

[jolly crane]

tsm winning with morph

nerf morph please

[stray yew]

@jolly crane 🛑

[thorny fiber]

Nerf sebek*

[rugged cipher]

oh xinq joined xtreme gaming for this tourney

[jolly crane]

ye

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JLK29/b23c0bbec4.jpg

i like how each stream has their own "brb soon" message

[rugged cipher]

well its remote casters streaming it themselves from home

prolly just have some scenes and adds texts in 1 box

[jolly crane]

dunno

psure the remote casters are just controlling their cams and stuff

id be surprised if the remote casters stream the actual stream with overlay etc.

and ads

[rugged cipher]

nah cus 1 stream one of the guy has gotten kicked out

so they had to stream to him through discord

[jolly crane]

well sure but like

i dont think MLP is streaming hte gamers8gg stream himself, theres still a production level in between thats doing the streaming, overlay etc.

[rugged cipher]

i think they do

they just got the streamkey for it and the scenes for obs or w/e

[jolly crane]

that'd be a huge risk

to give people that arent your org the streamer-id etc.

for your channel

[rugged cipher]

they created completly new channels for this though

and they prolly signed contracts

[jolly crane]

and potentially hurt your brand

makes much more sense to have production in there to test shit out prior to groupstage etc.

[rugged cipher]

prolly only on primary and secondary straem if any then

i dont see why it would stream from 1 casters dota 2 acc directly otherwise

[thorny fiber]

Its like supplying template ppts to colleagues

Then they still change font and add pointless shit

[jolly crane]

xinq veno making the game for xg rn

http://puu.sh/JLKef/5f50befa37.jpg

pos4 diffy

[silver geyser]

pos4 most important role in dota for like last 5 years

change my mind

[jolly crane]

always has been

even in dota1

pos3/4has always been biggest impact

[manic ermine]

Ye and simultaneously they are the most griefed roles in pubs

[jolly crane]

lmao

4man arena with bloodseeker

bloodmist

http://puu.sh/JLKjR/657b7260e2.jpg

just completely melted the entire team

think this darkseer should stop using ion shell, this mjolner is proccing like crazy

[stone geode]

im watching 9p-OG

storm midas queued after boots

but he caught up a bit and didnt buy

[jolly crane]

godtier casting again

"omnislash bouncing through" http://puu.sh/JLKqy/a976dd4e3d.jpg

man was just rightclicking

[thorny fiber]

2nd tier casting

For a 15 mil tourney

[rugged cipher]

1k $for in play talent

[worn drift]

man kiyotaka is too good

come backing from awful early game and still had huge impact

[silver geyser]

just a huge outdraft

nothing og lineup can do if they arent like 30k ahead at 30 min

[rugged cipher]

i just wanna know what ppy sees in crystallis to stick with him 2 full seasons

[worn drift]

Crystallis has some black mail surely

[rugged cipher]

almost never seen him win a lane even

[stone geode]

secret is in the dumpster

[worn drift]

Thats cuz low skill sacrificial player except there is no one to sacrifice for

Used to have nisha that could win the game but now you do not

[stone geode]

from 2nd place TI to 2nd division

[rugged cipher]

xtreme gaming look pretty good with xinq namewise at least

nut sure if papparazi etc is washed

[stone geode]

didnt catch any of their games today

mainly watched what singsing streamed

[jolly crane]

he is

JT is kinda carrying most hteir games

probably one of the best offlaners in the game atm but stuck in a t2 team

now he pulls out the meepo

offlane meepo

last game pudge

[stone geode]

quest actually lost a game huh

[jolly crane]

problem with XG is just that they tend to throw after they win a fight

they win a fight, push a rax and then they lose 3 or 4 people doing so

cuz they dont know when to back off

[stone geode]

a funky draft

ursa, bane

[silver geyser]

He's really good at like 3 heroes and is a very consistent player even with a sacked lane (not consistently good but yeah)

[stone geode]

good game by xg

carried hard by JT

[thorny fiber]

Like a 5 year old in control of the observer in the liquid game

Holy shit

Worst ive seen

[jolly crane]

meepomajor

[rugged cipher]

so group A dont need last round tomorrow

[thorny fiber]

Who are through?

[rugged cipher]

aster and liquid with 7-1

bottom 4 from each play-in battle it out for last 4 spot after this play in also

[jolly crane]

hope XG makes it

JT played out of his mind today

[silver geyser]

am i allowed to play morph now

is it ethical

[stray yew]

in selis eyes no

but you can and you should

best hero in the game

[silver geyser]

Perhaos

I play some morph

[stray yew]

i dont even have 50% winrate on this hero

took me too many losses to learn how to play it a lil

[silver geyser]

I think i have like exactly 50% maybe?

lost a lot of games not morphing properly

My most played hero has a like 46% win rate or something

[jolly crane]

never is

[stone geode]

kiyotaka tinker

[jolly crane]

"i dont think nyx had spiked carapace when tinker had march of the machines"

t3 casters

wtf is paparazzi doing with that ember

bzm getting completely destroyed

[stone geode]

thats how DK lanes vs ember doesnt it

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JLO5p/ecdacde27b.jpg

ye

[stone geode]

just denies his ass

[jolly crane]

t1 is already gone

7mins in

[stone geode]

and push t1 with lvl 6

[jolly crane]

ye theyre just gonna starve the map super fast

beastmaster/dk just taking down towers every minute

3k advantage after 9mins

[stone geode]

both games on my monitors have top 3 dire cores

[jolly crane]

lmao jt using his courier to keep vision on the enigma

[stone geode]

tinker and wr have no game

7k up at 9 mins

[jolly crane]

ye

makes me happy, i wanna see more xtreme gaming

think 9pandas can already tap out

this slark is gofnna be insane

10k lead by minute 10

paparazzi just runs away from a 3man gank

with midas+treads

tinker lower networth than enemy pos5 soon

http://puu.sh/JLO6p/e09690b167.jpg

makes me kinda happy

[stone geode]

3-22

for a second

[jolly crane]

HOLY SHIT

ramzes just

disconnects

before even typing gg

[stone geode]

imagine getting this destroyed by secret

[jolly crane]

actual hard ragequit

[stone geode]

I dont think he wanted the wr they drafted for mid but then changed their mind

[jolly crane]

idk what the og gameplan is

when you dont blackhole a single time in 21min

you kinda know things aint too hot

[stone geode]

JT > PL

[jolly crane]

ye they even gave him first aegis

[stray yew]

crystallis > ramzes

[jolly crane]

ye the beastmaster just rolls over the PL

bzm cant get back into the game either

did taiga blink into the arrow?

oh no bzm did

lmao

[stone geode]

saving black hole for next game

trust

[jolly crane]

[stone geode]

they are too far behind now

[jolly crane]

cant even kill the beastmaster with a 5man gank

[stone geode]

they dont want to find beast or DK

[jolly crane]

drums of slom+shivas+octarine healed him more than he took damage lol

[stone geode]

they are too far behind to kill them in a reasonable amount of time/spell investment

[jolly crane]

ye but they were behind from the very start

t1 mid gone minute 6

safelane gone 2min later

and then just starved out for 30 minutes

[stone geode]

yeah but 15k behind you can win a team fight

25k is the hit everything kill nobody territorry

[jolly crane]

not into undying/bm/dk imo

they lacked the damage

[stone geode]

yeah probably not

[jolly crane]

pl and ember both dont have dam

then they have a veno on top

they have nothing to burst anybody

[stone geode]

ember deadelus 3 rapiras

[jolly crane]

ye but the ember had nothing 😄

[stone geode]

most games ive seen dm doesnt fit into the team

since ammar left

[jolly crane]

ye

[stone geode]

doesnt work

[jolly crane]

well 9p choking ahrd ig after last game

[jolly crane]

secret is just

too shit

they see jugg picking up a dd and do a massive smoke around

while they just do rosh

[stone geode]

clinkz manning up on that snap

[jolly crane]

no idea how they failed to punish this 9p draft

actually insane

[stray yew]

clinkz split the map well enough

and idk they missed few pickoffs on ramzes

because no stun that goes through bkb

[jolly crane]

well now its on xg

to not lose

[stray yew]

do these matter

i assume its diff grp than liquid/aster

coz liquid aster are locked in from yday

[jolly crane]

i dont see the value in this enigma firstpick they do every game

9p and xg started day 5-3 both of them

so since 9p drew

if xg goes 2-0 theyre through with quest

if they go 1-1 then i think 9p goes through cuz they won 2-0 against XG

[stray yew]

dude enigma isj ust dumb hero

you 1st pick it knowing you wont ever get any blackhole coz y ou will get countered

but they accept it and sometimes dont even skill blackhole

how dumb is the hero

you need to address it in draft but if you dont it will carry the game but if you do you committed too much anyway

lmao

[jolly crane]

well its like doom init. its a pick that just removes 1 hero from the game each teamfight

[stray yew]

peak stupidity

ye but with doom you need to land the ability

with enigma its just the fear of getting hit by it

[jolly crane]

ye

no idea what xinq just did down there btw

but was not a good move

[stray yew]

hero is just unfair

[jolly crane]

xg might lose this and then be out

[stray yew]

and they should remove his creep removal

creep removal things are bad

[jolly crane]

nvm

[stray yew]

thats why they got rid of lich removal

[jolly crane]

idk how they just

won that fight instantly

[stray yew]

they just got baited

[jolly crane]

but JT is just a monster this event

[stray yew]

they have insane kite

[jolly crane]

rubick stole ward as well

kinda nice

bzm just cant really pick off anybody

cuz ghost shroud

[stray yew]

slark shard is op

imagine having mirana shard

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

and slark shard

and compare that

how is it even in same price category

[jolly crane]

i believe in JT

man has been carrying almsot every game so far

[stray yew]

aster is gonna end up not qualifying ti

coz that team will make it

[jolly crane]

ye its either aster or XG

but glad we get

4 SA teams

[stray yew]

ye useless

there is gonna be legit

2 most useless dogwater teams ever

actual 5k players gonna qualify

[jolly crane]

3

[stray yew]

coz the 2 decent teams

[jolly crane]

cuz SEA will also have a trash team

[stray yew]

qualified through points

[jolly crane]

youll have 2 troll SA teams, 1 troll NA team and 1 troll SEA team

[stray yew]

eg/beastcoast qualified through points

i mean we have 2 troll NA teams

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

tsm is useless

and most likely nouns qualify

[jolly crane]

the entire system doesnt realls work if your regiono nly has 2 good teams

[stray yew]

that team will be useless too

because these spots that they fight for

should be global

they should invite all the teams to some lan event and compete for remaining idk 8 or so spots

so it would be 6 or 7 eu slots

maybe 1 cis slot

and 1 idk china slot probably

how many spots is left

2 eu 2 sa 1 cis 1 china 1 sea

1 na

so 8 spots ye

[jolly crane]

called it

[stray yew]

i mean its not jt

its support placing ward there

coz he sees them

[jolly crane]

well sure but still

every game hes just

insane impact

its like faithbian levels of impact each game

[stray yew]

they're better team anyway

og has not been too hot recently idk why

[stone geode]

no pos 5

pos 3 player doesnt work with their other core players

[jolly crane]

think hes also played different heroes every game

except mars ig

http://puu.sh/JLOms/d56341fc66.jpg

solid heropool tho

[rugged cipher]

Why is jugg buying 2nd butter

[stray yew]

its the best dps item for jugg

maybe in his head he thinks i kill someone in omni or gg

eitherway dire situation they were hard losings

[rugged cipher]

Ac vs et must be more value or smth

[jolly crane]

problem isnt living

problem is killiong smth

when you have a ult heavy comp like them, you dont wanna play extended fights anyway

so yeah its just all about killing people quickly

or you lose

[rugged cipher]

I guess, and now bo3 between bottom 4 of each play in for 4 last

Are vp and execration playing 1v1 mid for placement?

Bob vs squadix on match tracker

[stray yew]

ye

[silver geyser]

[stone geode]

og finally get a black hole

[stone geode]

fun game to watch

[thorny fiber]

Cant believe og won a game

[stray yew]

wtf is the situation @jolly crane

[stone geode]

he is saying something about turning on the fans

I think

[jolly crane]

the split earths on the storm zip everytime

darkmago must be hard tilted

[silver geyser]

og playing well?

i dont believe it

[jolly crane]

"its not playing to lose, its playing to win"

insane analysis waga

[silver geyser]

surely he meant "its not playing to not lose"

i just watch the gorgc stream

[stone geode]

og actually won 2-0

[silver geyser]

man wtf happened to TSM

like 3 months of actually looking good

and then 2 years of dogass

[rugged cipher]

Esl recruiter just msged me

They need me in riyadh

[silver geyser]

good position?

i worked for esports company before

one of my worst jobs ever

[rugged cipher]

Nothing specific so no idea, typical spam recruiters

[silver geyser]

OH GOD FACEIT

THATS WHO I WORKED FOR

i didnt know esl was partnered with them now

[stone geode]

lets face it, esports is probably worse than game dev

[silver geyser]

idk when i worked for them the biggest problem was no one knew what the fuck they wanted to do with the company

our goals changed weekly

i was also like 16 so i got treated not so good by my coworkers

[rugged cipher]

But im guessing they want me to be an event network engineer who set everything up and configure their juniper devices they use. Kinda match their job description perfect

But yeah i got way to good of a job already so its a no

[stone geode]

probably get paid 1/5th of what you do now

TB sunders his support to get hexed and killed

dieback

[stone geode]

pos1 NP

gg

[silver geyser]

midas tb

:)

[worn drift]

man clinkz pos 4 kinda fun

[rugged cipher]

why is this ench so big

lets see if pure can get them dqd again

[stray yew]

impossible to get dqed from arab oiler tournament

he'd need to go out in rainbow flag

[rugged cipher]

he gonna go full woke to redeem himself but does it in riyadh

[rugged cipher]

rtz

[jolly crane]

is he playing naga or?

[rugged cipher]

ye

jesus christ bb destroyed sr

[stray yew]

ye thats stomp

af

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

betboom been playing better and better every tournament tbh

this entire season

-pure incident

[rugged cipher]

ye think they are the best cis team

look better than 9panda and spirit

[stray yew]

spirit looked decent in games i watched today, even managed to comeback against GG

i always thought betboom has highest ceiling

they have insanely skilled players in every position

and 9pandas has pos1 that isnt that good anymore and pos5 that is just bad for example

[rugged cipher]

nighftall and tokyo also argued a lot after they smacked tundra 2-0

[stray yew]

its cultural

us eastern europeans argue a lot

[rugged cipher]

but ye lots of old star players living on their names when they dont cut it in the top anymore

[stray yew]

i dont mind ramzes/solo not being absolutely top tier 1 players

[rugged cipher]

but good for them stealing salaries

[stray yew]

its actually rly good veterans like that play

because thats good exchange of goods

they help develop new talent in the scene

[rugged cipher]

ye i mean their balance is a lot better than SR

which are just full washed team na region

[stray yew]

ye been the case for past 2-3 years

just NA region is a joke

last time SR was good was what

when they lost that major final to IG

[rugged cipher]

only feel bad for abed that is wasting his time but i guess money is to good

[stray yew]

ye i bet eg and sr paid them really good

i also wouldnt be surprised if sr pays more than eg

[rugged cipher]

i bet rtz actually would be a great pos5 cus he knows what a pos1 want but get someone who is not so set in his fucking farming ways and plays the game

[stray yew]

rtz could be good pos 1

just not the way he sees pos 1

i dont think he understands why you pick naga even

i dont think entire SR understands it

cant remember last time i saw SR win with naga in draft

they always lose with naga

unless its some bad opponent ofc

so basically any game vs NA doesnt count

[rugged cipher]

its nice they do some mainstage stuff for group play also i guess

also weird with so much SEA imports to EU

[stray yew]

sr just getting stomped by bb

[rugged cipher]

nice rosh

[stray yew]

thats just cherry on top

they were massively behind

[rugged cipher]

did sr kick nightfall or was it self leave

[stray yew]

he left i think

didnt wanna play in non cis region anymore

[rugged cipher]

kinda interesting pos swap with pure who was regarded like the best carry world, but the ammar carry from pos3 fits him i guess

[stone geode]

mid mars has looked so shit in the games ive seen

[rugged cipher]

not sure if BB looked super amazing or SR just that bad

[stone geode]

yes

[rugged cipher]

why do aster keep giving aegis to troll instead of storm

and why do they have a troll in the first place

[stray yew]

think i heard that they pick it for good lane

coz troll is kinda good in lane

but that hero is so bad

ult

[rugged cipher]

i mean if they actually gave storm the aegis

won already

[stray yew]

i think logic is you give aegis to hero that will hit bu ildings so you can siege

but ye in this case

doesnt sound worth

[rugged cipher]

ye was worth in the beginning when they cleaned up the map but now its just win 1 fight end game

[worn drift]

Spirit feels like they try too much heroes they aren’t comfortable on and just drop too many games to it

Like collapse visage

Also their mid laner is kinda idk

Feels like his game is too easy to ruin for people and he doesnt know how to play in those games

[stone geode]

collapse has good visage, ive seen some insane games by him

[worn drift]

Ye but what teams was it against

Picking experimental stuff against garbo teams is ez

[stone geode]

think it was bali major, cba looking it up

[rugged cipher]

bulba drafting for aster?

[stray yew]

i think drow is mega strong idk why pros dont pick it more often

especially previous tournament when morph was so popular

[jolly crane]

heard some analysts say that as well

drow gonna be the carry of the tourney

[stray yew]

it should be

[jolly crane]

meepo gonna come into play more as well i think

[stray yew]

its rly shit into pl tho

spectre is rly good into heer too

but thats dead hero

[jolly crane]

beastmaster shits on pl tho

[stone geode]

been quite a few meepo games, its getting popular

also OD astral just breaks mega meepo

big counter

[jolly crane]

both in lane and throughout the entire game pmuch

ye you just ban SD

if you wanna play meepo

no one plays OD. somnus did one game but theyre not here so

[stone geode]

I think it was liquid aster in play ins

was an all around meme game

because both teams were through

[stray yew]

idk why force it on medusa

impossible target

[stone geode]

drow into bat and storm, aint no way

[stray yew]

ye needed linkens or sth

that triangle pickoff lost them the game

[stone geode]

is the word Boom banned or what

why do casters keep saying bb team

or correcting themselves to bb team immediately after they say bet boom

[stray yew]

maybe it is

isnt gambling banned in there?

dont know honestly

[jolly crane]

yes

the one thing you wont see in saudi esports is gambling sponsors etc.

[stone geode]

yeah I thought it was betting

boom doesnt really make sense

I also noticed team shirts like secret and tundra taped over

which I assume were gambling sponsors

[stray yew]

holy fuck that rosh throw from9pandas

[rugged cipher]

BB liquid should be good

Casters think nightfall play offlane

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

whats going on with saksa man

[thorny fiber]

he is too tall

getting dizzy

[jolly crane]

at this stage i actually think if rtz and crystallis were to swap teams, everybody would win

cuz abed needs a carry like crystallis, and boom is a space-creating mid which is what rtz needs

[thorny fiber]

man i just realized why they are saying bbt

slow

[stone geode]

liquid playing the slow game

???

eventually this tiny is going to be a core

???

[jolly crane]

thats a big gyro

sick tossback/slark pounce combo

[stone geode]

this mf really just saying it as if liquid was playing their game and not getting their shit stomped in

[thorny fiber]

why is mlp given a platform to cast

[stone geode]

another SR clinic

[stray yew]

its just different tier of teams

their draft isnt even that bad

[rugged cipher]

No team have looked close to BB of whst ive seen so far

Xg kinda second most fun to watch

[jolly crane]

its kinda depressing

looking at azure ray/extreme/aster and thinking "Only one of those will make it to TI" and then you watch shopify and youre like "at least theyll be there"

[rugged cipher]

Nisha has not looked his best either

[stray yew]

hold up till its playoffs on mainstage when stakes are big

ive seen bb play rly well and then once pressure game comes they int

shopify is the opposite of what normal team looks like

theey usually look good in the beginning of the season and show you promise

and then they just dont improve/dont improve as fast as other teams

their 1st major they went like top 5 i think, even beat eg in bo3

but then

[rugged cipher]

They get to play on stage in group so maybe they will be fine this time around

[thorny fiber]

nisha

[rugged cipher]

They just cant kill ppl

[thorny fiber]

idk if bbt is playing good

or if liquid is just playing like shit

[rugged cipher]

Gpk just got nishas.number

[jolly crane]

did the morph just die

to the tormentor

and it wasnt rtz

[jolly crane]

ESL tournament never has issues

meanwhile aster vs talon game

[rugged cipher]

Sr won a game

[stray yew]

nvm sr is back

[rugged cipher]

But ye tundra dont look on form either

[jolly crane]

9p vs xg now

JT meepo again

[jolly crane]

dunno how you deal with meepo

[stray yew]

you pick sd or od

or ww

[jolly crane]

true ig

kinda funny

how they really only lose 2 supports+aegis

for doom+blackhole+omni

well that was

anticlimactic

[jolly crane]

geuss we get to see it now

ngl, love how xg is just picking random shit

dont think ive seen a wyvern or chaos knight yet

[stray yew]

people pick ck from time to time

[jolly crane]

havent watched a lot

[jolly crane]

meepo gaming

[stone geode]

good turnaround by gg

quest just threw

[jolly crane]

ye

watching a first-phase meepo still roll over the game

is kinda scary

also crazy to watch xingq come in as a standin and pull off great performances almsot every game

his warding has won them a few games already

[rugged cipher]

were he on a break after psg split or didnt anyone go for him

[jolly crane]

think he just didnt join a team

but he just straightup doesnt look like a standin

[rugged cipher]

well technically he isnt a standin

[jolly crane]

that was one sick doom

on the wyvern

actually won them the fight

mightve actually been better for them if JT doesnt cancel the megameepo and gets doomed

[stone geode]

big CIS plays

[jolly crane]

well

big cis throw

tough game to play though, 9p needs to get the catch if they wanna have a chance

[rugged cipher]

966

[jolly crane]

think he shouldve winters cursed the jugg there in the whirl

[stone geode]

spirit lgd looks crzy too

spirit almost got throned after a jugg pick off

31k ahead

[jolly crane]

ye

good games

what a fight at the end

sick game

[stone geode]

jugg raid boss

[jolly crane]

ye both games just

won by cis jugg

[stone geode]

yatoro as well

[manic ermine]

Larl and miposhka did so much that game vs lgd

[rugged cipher]

bb vs secret if this isnt the biggest stomp ever i dont know whats happening

[stray yew]

the game isnt started yet tho

or

[rugged cipher]

nah drafting

[stray yew]

ye i see

medusa undying lane

nerf undying

fuck that hero

ye secret lost

they picked ES

dead hero

also think i dont like secret picking MK so early in the draft

its always crystallis mk

gives away so much idk

wtf is the situation

[rugged cipher]

yammich has played pos4 mk quite a lot tbh

[stray yew]

i know secret will lose anyway

they usually play lanes + early game qite well

but then midgame fights are bad

and they give away their advantage

[rugged cipher]

farming nightfall

secret actually stomping bb

[stray yew]

but also

i still have a feeling secret will find a way to lose

[rugged cipher]

i dunno bat kinda solo killed dusa 3 times as pos4

[stray yew]

maybe bat 3 or 4 is mega good into medusa

kinda is good vs undying

but maybe secret played lane really fucking well

i dont see a world undying should ever lose the lane

and he kinda did

wtf is the situation

hello crystallis

do sth stupid

go feed

[rugged cipher]

bb not used to div2 tactics

[stray yew]

its something very weird in general with bb

like they have rly good matchup into gg

out of all the teams they have best matchup into gg i think

but on the other hand they lose to other teams

that shouldnt be able to touch them

[rugged cipher]

i mean its kinda common in sports that u lower urself to ur opponents lvl if they are worse

but thrive vs good teams

[stray yew]

some drafting/way or approaching game kinda thing

or that ye

or maybe just puppey mastermind, i think they are winning early game most of the time

but then bad midgame plays make them throw advantage they gathered

coz even this game is within 1 decent pickoff/teamfight for bb

that mk dies once or twice or darkseer and game is very hard

[rugged cipher]

they are not taking any t2s or stuff with such big kill lead and controlling the map though

bb coming back in gold also

should not happen

[stray yew]

medusa just farms fast

they have dominator 2 on lycan too

medusa with manta might be fastest farming carry that isnt int pick

sure TA/am with bf farm faster

but TA has whooping 30% winrate

and am is cheese pick/only good into medusa

[rugged cipher]

if ES was closer when ds made the big vacuum+wall when chasing him

it was all over for bb

[stray yew]

i feel like mdusa cant play into darkseer anyway

unless nightfall is goat and manages to toggle q

actually maybe thats where enchantress comes in handy

you can overtake that illusion i assume

[rugged cipher]

secret just 4 manning and getting nothing atm

[stray yew]

secret just gonna throw/fail to catch rat

[rugged cipher]

ench doing stupid dmg

[stray yew]

7k nw ench

doing top dmg probably

why dont people just paly her pos 1

[rugged cipher]

bb kinda do when pure plays her

[stray yew]

actually get items

[rugged cipher]

destroyed liquid or SR with it

[stray yew]

also secret not building halberds is criminal

its so good this game

its not even a bad item on pos 1 mk

this game

[rugged cipher]

sr owning liquid also

[stray yew]

sr even 1-1'd with tundra

even tho 1st game looked like tundra is playing into some t3 bad team

[rugged cipher]

tundra bottom of group actually

fluke ti

how do they not kill crystallis

[stray yew]

no clue

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

wtf was the situation even

it looked like some legendary crystallis int

but it worked

[rugged cipher]

tiny apparently held toss for passive i guess then got fucking diffud oom and they all just died

[stray yew]

holy fuck that boundless

hit 4

[stone geode]

I cant believe this

[rugged cipher]

crystallis #1 player world

[stray yew]

tbh msotly puppey

baiting

but ye insane

crystallis > rtz

[stone geode]

reminder that bb hasnt lost a game yet

xdd

[rugged cipher]

they can still throw

[stone geode]

bb zdps lineup

[rugged cipher]

nightfall non factor this game

lowest dmg i nfights

[stone geode]

mk jumps him and gets lasoed

has no ult

fight over

[rugged cipher]

ez game for yammich tbh

[stone geode]

[rugged cipher]

that group look so bad with liquid and tundra kinda underperforming

[stone geode]

24242424

[stray yew]

ench real carry

[stone geode]

nightfall paid actor

[rugged cipher]

tony mid dont feel like a gpk hero but maybe im wrong

[stone geode]

idk if it works

quest always wins with tiny mid

he just tanks and carry big dps but dusa is a spectator

[stray yew]

is the stream lagging/stuttering for you too?

[stone geode]

yes

[stray yew]

cracky noises sometimes too

kk

[rugged cipher]

ye goes down to 1 fps for a few secns

now and then

[stray yew]

ye good

thought it might be my pc dying or sth

never know

[rugged cipher]

ok sr is losing at least

some order in the universe

gareth+waga must be one of the worst duos u could get

[thorny fiber]

mlp

and the other guy

i dont even remember the name of

[rugged cipher]

johnxfire or smth

[thorny fiber]

ye

terrible

[rugged cipher]

do these observers actually make a living? feel like skrff etc are in every tourney and has done it forever

[thorny fiber]

they should

a good observer is more important than a good caster

imo

watched a game the other day with some newbie observer, was painful

missed so many key moments

[rugged cipher]

ye sounds like a painful job tbh, u gotta have game knowledge to know where things gonna happen and stay focused the whole game

[worn drift]

Betboom 2-0 good teams then drop game to secret cmon bruh

[thorny fiber]

classic

also this tournament have cemented sunsfan as my fav caster

even without synderen he's part of the best combo

[worn drift]

Ye love sunsfan

The quintessential dota caster

[thorny fiber]

good mix of humor, memes and serious casting

[worn drift]

Just talkin some shit and memes during downtime and actually casting when theres shit goin on

Instead of riot games casters who fake enthusiasm and hype the entire game

[thorny fiber]

even makes khezzu seem likeable

[worn drift]

I like watching the russian casts too

[stray yew]

idk about you/casters/observers but i cant not look at minimap

dont know if thats what they go off of

whenever i watch any moba gameplay or rts gameplay i insta watch minimap

actual pavlovs dog

and check like hps on top of the grid for moba case

[rugged cipher]

i mean they cant just jump around with camera as when ur playing

would be the worst experience

[worn drift]

I assume in reality it isn’t just one guy doing the whole observing thing lol

Its probably 1 main observer that controls the actual thing the stream sees

Then 2 other people

That watch other lanes

And tell the main if some shits going on

[stray yew]

they have camera on all lanes and choose 1

yea exactly

dude wtf is this timeline

[rugged cipher]

ez secret 2-0 inc

[stray yew]

bb > gg

but secret > bb

[rugged cipher]

their sponsor needed them to cover the loss in this match im convinced

[stray yew]

ithink rtz asked nightfall to play once on his acc

with actual teammates

and its rtz playing

will it be 0-20 game

[rugged cipher]

how is crystallis so low nw when they are stomping

[stray yew]

he was lowest nw on mk too

for long time

tbh ta is rly greedy

from midlane

i bet he didnt get to hit ancients

[rugged cipher]

do razor even do that regardless

[stray yew]

razor can farm ancients tbh

with ult

[rugged cipher]

yammich being nightfalls nightmare

[stray yew]

their team is rly greedy so im gonna give crystallis freepass on this one

their pos 2/3/4 are super greedy heroes that need farm

[rugged cipher]

i still think its weird some of hte best SEA players go to t2 eu teams and hardest quals instead of playing one of the easiest region or other ez ones

[stray yew]

they value opportunity of joining better teams maybe

potentially

like showing they're decent players and getting picked up by someone eventually

[rugged cipher]

ye if they go through they are better of in the actual tourney

[stray yew]

bb actually getting mega shitstomped this game

they have nowhere to play 20 mintues in

they need to rotate 5 heroes to kill 5 clock

[rugged cipher]

nightfall legit only casting chronos to run whole game

[stray yew]

ye

disaster game

[rugged cipher]

i dunno nightfall might actually be weak point of bb

all games they won gpk and pure just shitstomped

[stray yew]

throwable still

one good chrono and i could see them coming back

ok i just looked at networth chart maybe not

enigma as farmed as enemy pos 1

damn i have not seen ds + enigma in a while

[rugged cipher]

they have used ds well both games

[stray yew]

they got 15 kills in 2 games combined

on bb

[rugged cipher]

lowest nw ench still biggest dmg dealer over 2 games in bb

[stray yew]

throwisreal

[rugged cipher]

nighftfall just so owned

[stone geode]

aint no way

BB dont do this to me

[rugged cipher]

[worn drift]

low skill

[jolly crane]

thats a rtz copypasta tho

but ye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USiwjWRKguI

never forgetti

[worn drift]

ench is a broken hero

pure damage autos support nice meme

fucking disgusting hero

game goes 50 mins you now have another pos 1 congrats