DotA | Ravenholdt | Page 2

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 7:42 AM

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but its the organizers fault

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 7:43 AM

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apparently liquid also left the room during a break

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at some point

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PepeLa

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 7:43 AM

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rigged

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 7:45 AM

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but ye just overall bad situation and shaky decisionmaking

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:09 AM

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god rtz

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why is he farming

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in front of enemy t2 with global up and no manta

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PepeLa

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:10 AM

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experienced carry player

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:12 AM

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only experience he has is never winning anything

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hahahahaha

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watching rtz

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in this teamfight

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i cant

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:13 AM

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has there ever been an NA carry that was good

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:13 AM

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fear

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he played a very sacrificial carry role

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:13 AM

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OldBusiness

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:13 AM

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but that tends to work out

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was same for notail in OG

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both won TI peepoShrug

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if you have a starplayer in mid like miracle/sumail, you just sac your carry and play around your mid instead and it tends to work

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same with nisha

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or maybe

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:14 AM

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yeah, its a team game and you make it work

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:14 AM

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hahahaha

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rtz

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no TP

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PepeLa

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oh it got cancelled

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nvm

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:15 AM

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are they losing this again

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:15 AM

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its funny cuz

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fly insta TPs

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on that global

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rtz farms ancients

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gets tp cancelled

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:16 AM

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now that im unsubbed from wow again I kinda want to play a bit of dotka

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but its such a complex game

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:18 AM

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alch throwing

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hitting the morph

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instead of the ember with 20% hp next to him

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:18 AM

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ench is bigger than the mars now

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all gold is on alch

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SR probably got this now

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:26 AM

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i believe in shopify

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to throw this game

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dont understand why alch doesnt have a basher

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love how casters just arent talking about

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the storm just dying

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:27 AM

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📷

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???

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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there we go

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may not be EG in name anymore but the whendidegthrowlast curse follows htem

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:29 AM

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if morph dies there too

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:29 AM

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still think

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alch should get abyssal

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:29 AM

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yeah if they kill ember fast they just steamroll

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they chase him with bkb up for half the fight

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what would he drop though, silver edge?

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:31 AM

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radi

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once hes omega farmed the radi loses value

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what mars

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WeirdDude

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no detection

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losing them the fight

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:32 AM

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throw vs throw

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:33 AM

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ye they win that if someone actually has detection

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but that glimmer is getting too much value

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well

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shopify

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dunno if that

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alch buy was necessary

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kinda feel it wasnt

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:35 AM

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you think they kill the morph without?

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:35 AM

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ye

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he has manta cd

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mars/clock/silencer

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hes full str morph when he comes out of aegis

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agianst vessel and battery assault+mars

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BC gonna throw game now

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okay he somehow survives

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:36 AM

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detection

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pepeLa

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:36 AM

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tower was glyphed

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:36 AM

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he just silver edge walked out

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:36 AM

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i cant clip

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cuz twitch is dogshit

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so i cant see

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like

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he just walks out with tower still alive

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theyre not killing the ench

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runs away with 10% hp

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:39 AM

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how did nobody die there on SR

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:40 AM

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bad target selection

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:40 AM

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this feels like a true LB match

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who throws more

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:41 AM

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ye

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deserved win for SR but no thanks to rtz like

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how is one man so bad at carrying

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but ye darkmago trhew that fight in triangle

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trying to kill teh fucking sky

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and failing

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instead of jumping back in to finish off the ench

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ill never understand why these proplayer alchemists dont buy shard tho

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in a late game situation likethat

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like

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he has 3k gold and no shard

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youd think a strong dispel would be good against sky/ember/ench

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he got it at the very end but dont think he used it once

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 8:47 AM

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wish the twitch player was like youtube live

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you can insta look back and then go back to live

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 8:57 AM

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Well you can with alt twitch player

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But it still sucks

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 9:27 AM

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I can't

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I just can't

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 9:27 AM

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morph

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Classic

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 9:30 AM

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I don't think bc draft can keep up

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It's Shopifys games to throw

humble yew Jul 6, 2023, 9:42 AM

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the resources you have to pull to kill that shit

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will always baffle me even after all those games played

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 9:43 AM

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Shopify kekman

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Idk i dont ever expect a team with saberlight to win

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Abed needs to gtfo

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Hes too good

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To stay in this team

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 9:48 AM

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Classic throw

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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jolly crane apparently liquid also left the room during a break

That was debunked early

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Some russian journo made it up

humble yew Jul 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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was a hoax y

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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Same guy that said 33 was on Spotify

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 9:53 AM

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Resolution going to stand in for pure

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 9:54 AM

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he always find a way to ti

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 9:55 AM

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KEKW

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 9:56 AM

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Respect the hustle

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 9:56 AM

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so pure banned then?

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 9:57 AM

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How long until permabanned

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:04 AM

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Idk i still doubt someone would be bold/stupid enough to just try to cheat by opening stream during break like obviously it compromises competitive integrity but fucking ruling the match as an auto loss and banning the player is just weird

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:08 AM

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it was 100% unintentional

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you can see him pull up the browser with the stream still open and the second he realizes he closes it again

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game was paused, there was no content going on on the stream at the time, nix had like a bunch of comedians on the show during the break. but people hate pure so theyre asking for heads to roll

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:09 AM

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thorny fiber Same guy that said 33 was on Spotify

you can see 33 on spotify tho

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http://puu.sh/JKKyE/2b2940c9f6.jpg

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that aint dota or steam or teamspeak

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same match, same break

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:10 AM

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Its just kinda nuts to me that like

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At last ti there was so much compromise of competitive integrity yet no steps were really taken until the end

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:11 AM

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obviously having a stream open is a lot more severe but like... lets not pretend that this is a major clusterfuck regardless

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and its really obvious from pures reaction that he realized "fuck" and instantly closed it again

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:11 AM

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And then bb has a player open a stream during a fucking uber long break

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And the entire team gets fucked in the ass for it + a player banned from the tourny

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Probably close to 0 analysis was done to see if there was actually even any pertinent info being talked about/shown during that time on the stream

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 10:12 AM

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The punishment for the entire team is too harsh yeah

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:12 AM

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If anything actually had any bearing on the games result

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 10:12 AM

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losing ti qual points needed also despair

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:13 AM

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I mean the fact that he had a browser open in the first place is probably bannable

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Let alone a stream of the game

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:13 AM

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like, hes talking to his teammate, he alt-tabs cuz its a fucking break, sees stream was still open, immediately tabs back to game

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:13 AM

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Imo that is a failure of the org/refs

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A guy having a browser open

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If thats been open during the game

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:13 AM

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He had it running in the background, even if he only glances at it in the video evidence available. He doesn’t shut it down

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:13 AM

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That is a bigger question to the org

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:13 AM

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thorny fiber I mean the fact that he had a browser open in the first place is probably bannab...

its definitely against the rules, the problem is that we then have a player on the opposing team doing the exact same thing and its like... what happens? nothing. 😄

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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I mean it’s on the player to follow the rules as well

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Reso no longer in the pannel sadly

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Idk

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the fact ik there was no real investigating done

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Just zzz

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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It’s not the orgs fault some dumbass is on twitch during games

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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They deserved that series lol

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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ye

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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And it wasn’t cuz he watched some 5 sec of a stream

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Yea they did, but blame pure if anyone

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Not even

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:15 AM

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i honestly believe its an understandable mistake. a mistake that should come with consequences. but this aint it

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:15 AM

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Their worst punishment should have been rewinding the series to a 1-0 if tundra even accepted

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:15 AM

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I mean it’s 5 seconds of a 10 sec video

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Possible it’s not 5 seconds total

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And they have to crack down on stuff like this because even if the stream has delay it’s a big red flag to have twitch streams open during tournament games

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Admins should do a better job but how dumb must you be to do that

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:16 AM

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then they could come out with a statement "after reports of a player engaging in rulebreaking behavior we investigated and found many more violations of our rule, specifically sections XYZ and ABC. as a result we have no choice but to dsiqualify the player for the rest of the tournament, and grant tundra a 2-0 default victory"

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:16 AM

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thorny fiber Admins should do a better job but how dumb must you be to do that

not dumb at all

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you sit in your room all day

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waiting for the other series to finish

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:17 AM

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I really dont think its dumbness its just muscle memory lol

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:17 AM

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obviously you watch a stream of that series prior to the game

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:17 AM

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Bored as fuck

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Boot up chrome

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Click twitch icon

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Click your fav streamer

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:17 AM

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then its your turn to play, you mute stream and get into game mode

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and completely forget about it

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:17 AM

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Wdym, ur in a major esports tournament for a short amount of time. You have to use brain for 2 hours and adhere to the rules. Any serious competitor will know the rules

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:17 AM

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2hrs?

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theyve been playing this tourney for 2weeks, 14hrs straight

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:17 AM

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Ye unironically what seli just described probably happened KEKW

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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It was already booted tho, he didn’t start the browser in the clip

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Running in the background

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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well yeah

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what do you do

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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Ye i mean he probably had it on after watching previous series

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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when you watch a tv series or a stream

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and your raid starts

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do you close your browser

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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Maybe I have higher expectations of the players, it’s stupid as shit

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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or do you just mute/stop it

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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I actually dont doubt what seli just painted is exactly what happened lmao

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:18 AM

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and tab into your main game

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and then theres a raid break and you absentmindedly tab back to your browser mid-break

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:19 AM

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He was probably just afk watching series and preping for their match and didn’t wanna watch cringe main casts ICANT

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:19 AM

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Yea except I am not competing for potentially millions of dollars when I raid

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:19 AM

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yeah, it could be really fucking bad

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or it could be nothing

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:19 AM

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I just wish they actually just did an investigation instead of slamming the hammer

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:19 AM

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point is, if you banish him and take away a fully deserved victory over it because theres a CHANCE of it being used in a much more severe way

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:19 AM

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Like do they really think he was sitting their listening to a stream with delay trying to get info to act on

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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then why arent you acting against the other player who has shown to also not adhere to the rules, and using third-party software that could potentially provide external information hes not supposed to have

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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But you’re just assuming the worst, always dk, you’re saying they did no investigation as if it’s a fact when nobody knows because they aren’t very open about it

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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Eh

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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cuz they dont have to, cuz its pure, and the guy is already a persona non grata

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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jolly crane then why arent you acting against the other player who has shown to also not adh...

33 should get the same treatment

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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I think if they actually investigated the punishment wouldn’t be of this severity

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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How do you know that?

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Maybe it’s even worse than ppl see in the clip

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:21 AM

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Bcuz i dont think players are that fucking stupid these days to try to cheat thru a fucking twitch stream lmao

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Especially thru caster commentary

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:21 AM

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Well who knows? He is dumb enough to boot it up during a tournament game

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:21 AM

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theres multiple points of failure:

how can they even open anything other than the selected software in the first place
how did the admins not catch it (although im sympathetic to this one)
how do you make a half-assed decision of dropping them to LB instead of DQing them entirely, fucking over another team in the process (AR)
how are you not consistent in your punishment

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:21 AM

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Or he already had it booted up and the referee should have told him to turn it off

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And he forgot

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And its the referees job to make sure shit like that doesnt happen if ppl forget

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Ah interesting

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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these people sit in those chairs 14hrs a day, and play a single 2-3hr series anywhere in between them. ofc theyre gonna do other shit that isnt just dota2/teamspeak/steam during that time, the question is why arent they forced to shutdown all applications by the admins

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but you also cant blame the admin like

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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It sounds like they didn’t actually kick pure off the tourny and azure ray actually said they won’t play the match unless pure doesnt play

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Lmao

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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how is one guy supposed to look at 5 screens

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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Azure ray huge pussies kekman

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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nah

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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Its interesting, you assume he did absolutely no wrong and that Valve decided to just ban a player for no good reason. You have 0 evidence of this but play it off like it’s a fact. I doubt they have some kind of agenda against Pure, he served his old ban

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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valve has no say in this tho push

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the decision to defwin the series and ban comes from the TO

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:23 AM

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Who did what doesn’t matter

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Change valve to x company name

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:24 AM

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a TO that bears a large responsibility in this mess

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cuz it is their job to ensure shit like this cant happen in the first place.

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:24 AM

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Yes

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:24 AM

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but it happened so, wcyd

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gotta make a call, i think the call they made is bad tho, and if they make this call, they gotta apply it consistently

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:24 AM

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But the players are hopefully told the rules beforehand

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:24 AM

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I mainly hope they just shit on AR rn 2-0 just cuz they did that cringe shit

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We wont play unless pure doesn’t play ICANT

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:25 AM

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ye

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i fully understand that

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how do you void a match result but not ban the player

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 10:25 AM

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Ar picking OD RHstudy

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:25 AM

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i feel bad for pure tho

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cuz i genuinely believe there was no malicious intent whatsoever

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:26 AM

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Personally I think it’s quite obvious you shouldn’t be on twitch. Doesn’t require a megabrain, blaming it on being bored is not a valid argument imo. He is playing for a TI spot, “you had 1 job”

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:26 AM

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was just a mistake. a big one.

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i mean he has 5000 jobs, ensuring that no software is running on the backend kinda isnt his job, its the TOs lol

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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I bet they asked for it to be unlocked, because it’s probably the same computer as they play on between games

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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what do you think his mind is occupied with when their series is about to come up, the hour long prep they did for their opponent, or checking if his browser is still running/has a stream up

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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all because there is no stage

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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I don’t think there is an excuse for it, sorry

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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Ye this no stage shit is so garbage

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Idk what they are thinking these days

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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Money

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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not saying theres no excuse for it, just saying theres an explanation

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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Fucking economy class majors

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:27 AM

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one that isnt "lmao he tried to cheat"

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:28 AM

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Nah he probably did not try to cheat, it’s still dumb

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:28 AM

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Ye i think saying he tried to cheat is a 3head take

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:28 AM

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its a fuckup, no question about it, and a severe one. but imo, not one that warrants voiding the series/removing the player

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:28 AM

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Any1 thinking he was actually cheating just hates the guy cuz of the z lmao

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:28 AM

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They spent all their money on the resort

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Nothing left for arena, admins

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:29 AM

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what did it just say in chat

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lmao

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betboom shittalking

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:29 AM

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I didnt see, on phone with discord and twitch open

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:29 AM

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I do think they should provide a longer explanation for the ban

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:29 AM

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why AR is forcing admins to remove the player

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"i used to respect you"

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:29 AM

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Screenshot?

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:29 AM

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torontotokyo

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PepeLa

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:29 AM

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Ofc it is

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Guytypers

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 10:30 AM

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well at least BB is in riyadh so if they lose they have a chance to get points then

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:30 AM

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Why you guys force admin to disqualify Pure? You scared fight our full roster? Sad, I respected you

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:31 AM

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stone geode well at least BB is in riyadh so if they lose they have a chance to get points t...

And 5 million dollars, more than TI perhaps

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:31 AM

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i think asking for pure to be DQed is appropriate under the circumstances

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i dont think they shoudlve even voided the series tho

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:31 AM

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They are probably setting a precedent for it

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 10:32 AM

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Ye i mean they should also ban 33 from the tourny at this point

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Or tundras next opponent should request him to be removed

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:32 AM

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It seems the steam, Dota 2 and teamspeak rule isn’t very well known

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 10:32 AM

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arguably playing bangers during play is more of a help than checking a stream for 5 sec

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:32 AM

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imo best solution for this shit wouldve been:
-full draft penalty for betboom rest of the tourney
-withholding pures prizemoney he wins from the tourney
-apologize for not ensuring that non-game/communication software is running
-draft penalty for tundra in their next series

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 10:32 AM

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DQ tundra imo

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:33 AM

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It could be that he asked if he was allowed to listen to music during the game

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Cus it’s quite obvious he is on Spotify

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Which breaks the same rule pure did

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:33 AM

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ye and like

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people saying "its just spotify"

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he could very well be listening to a live podcast of the game

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or have a private one set up from a coach or outsider

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giving him full info

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its not like you cant cheat that way...

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 10:34 AM

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would not be a problem if it was a proper lan with game pcs and practice area

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:34 AM

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if you wanted to

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 10:34 AM

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now they just huddled in hotel rooms and do everything on same comps

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 10:34 AM

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pepeclown

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:34 AM

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Nah the organization has been shit, very nice place etc but underwhelming otherwise

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:34 AM

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so it ends up being a discussion of whether there was intent to cheat, and if you cant prove that for 33, you cant prove it for pure unless you have a proper investigation (at which point youd need to be transparent about it)

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:35 AM

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I mean I don’t think they banned him based on a Reddit thread

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:35 AM

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15deny lina

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:35 AM

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Surely they did their own investigation, looking at more footage from the game

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:35 AM

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thorny fiber I mean I don’t think they banned him based on a Reddit thread

i think they did the bare minimum because punishing pure is easy cuz hes already a persona non grata

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Who are the organizers

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What org

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:36 AM

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epulze

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Is it anti russian

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Ye it’s Swedish, could be anti-russians

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:37 AM

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no idea

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someone said they have some tie-ins with the betboom org

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:37 AM

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It is a Valve major tho right

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:37 AM

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ye

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:37 AM

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All major organizers are licensed by Valve

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:38 AM

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ye

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fucked up situation

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couldve been handled a lot better, sadly

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i feel bad for pure

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 10:39 AM

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so do BB need to win 2 series to get the points for TI or just this 1

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:39 AM

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also feel bad for azure ray

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which is honestly the biggest issue i hav with this entire situation

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youre punishing a team that didnt do anything wrong

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by forcing them to play agains a different team all of a sudden, with a completely different player

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makes a bunch of your prep kinda... useless

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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Don’t they usually prep somewhat for both teams

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Before the game is played

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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sure but like

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you think theyre gonna draft/pla the same

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with a standin

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instead of their key player? 😄

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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I mean they wanted this

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AR that is

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Asked for it

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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fair

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theyll probably prefer this over playing against betboom with pure, thats for sure

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:42 AM

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I think BB was fucked in the ass by their own player. I wouldn’t blame the organizers for enforcing the rules. Outside issues made it easier to break the rule but it’s still on pure to simply not break the rule

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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ye like i said, a punishment is more than appropriate, but i think it went much further than it shouldve

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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Ye

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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voiding the series is way too severe

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especially since it was a 2-0

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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I would want the investigation report regardless

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If they did one

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Which I hope they did

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And not based on Reddit

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:44 AM

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ye

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its hard tho cuz the cameras they have set up

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barely show player screens

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think with the way the screens are angled

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literally impossible for an admin to see pures screen even

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:44 AM

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Ye, but I assume they better footage than is shown in that specific clip

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Have

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:45 AM

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doubt it

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theyll use the player cams

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for this kinda stuff

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:45 AM

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You can prob also look into the players computer for data

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:45 AM

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https://twitter.com/Sneyking1995/status/1676877035413860352

Sneyking (@Sneyking1995)

We have received a level one draft penalty in our series vs @TeamLiquid for 33’s use of Spotify.

Likes

465

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good

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:45 AM

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What does it even mean

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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30sec less reserve time

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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Then there must be severity difference

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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ye theres

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3 levels of draft penalty in dota

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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If the same rule was broken

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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like, you can set it in the lobby options

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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I see

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:47 AM

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technically theres 4

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lv1 penalty is 30sec
lv2 penalty is 70
lv 3 penalty is 110 (entire reserve time)
lv 4 is enemy team gets both first pick and gets to choose radiant vs dire (usually each team gets one of these)

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:48 AM

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Now I am very interested

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In a report

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:48 AM

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we used to have software on the lan PCs back in the day

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that would track everything you did

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while you were playing

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like

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:48 AM

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Cus if using Spotify is a level 1 punishment, then what did he actually do

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:48 AM

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every command, every keypress etc.

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and then youd hand in that data

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:49 AM

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Technically they broke the same rule

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:49 AM

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if you didnt, youd def lose

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theres another rule specifically for streams

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which im guessing is why theres a massive difference in severity

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and then theres the fact that its pure, and people already hate him

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i think the reason to remove him is pretty simple really

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VP got disqualified from the major entirely when pure did the Z thing

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now he actually did smth that had the potential to affect the outcome of the game and calls into quesiton the integrity of the results

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so doing anything but removing him from the tourney just wouldve seemed... weird

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:51 AM

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I mean, usually in football, the refs might hate a team or a player. And it can sometimes be the opposite effect, he gets away with more because the ref is aware of the bias he carries and puts more emphasis on making the correct decision to avoid hatred from that team after the game

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:51 AM

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ye it can cut both ways

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i never agreed with the VP dq back then

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but it kinda sets a precedent

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:52 AM

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Nah that’s a bit weird

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:52 AM

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for what it takes to remove a player

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:52 AM

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Would another political message carry the same weight

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:52 AM

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ofc not

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there was no consideration whatsoever for what happened

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was virtue signalling at its best

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bringing politics into gaming in general is just smth that always rubs me the wrong way

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people play games to escape from that shit

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:54 AM

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Yea but that’s why most political messages are banned

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:54 AM

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ye

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id punish any kind of political posturing the same, if it were up to me

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:54 AM

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Yea but isn’t pure like 17

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:54 AM

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life is more complex than "this bad" vs "this gud"

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he was very young when it happened, ye

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:54 AM

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Some edgy teenager stuff

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:55 AM

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to me it was as stupid as someone drawing a penis in the snow

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just

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edgy immature inconsiderate teen behavior

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:56 AM

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If they played ukrainians at the time

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I can see why he got banned

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:56 AM

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they did from what i can remember but it doesnt matter cuz

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he drew it on his minimap

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its not like enemy team can see what he drew

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:56 AM

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True

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:56 AM

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was during a pause as well i think? idk

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:56 AM

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But maybe he knew stream could

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:56 AM

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its just...

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to me theres also this consideration of like

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kid grew up in a country marked by propaganda, probably had to listen to this shit his entire life

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likely not very politically educated

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:57 AM

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Kinda comes off as hate speech in a sense because Russian tanks used to kill ukrainians used the symbol which isn’t a commonly used letter in Russian normally

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So you would have to go out of your way to make it

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And it communicates 1 thing very clearly

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:58 AM

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ye i mean it was incredible inconsiderate and dumb

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:58 AM

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Ye I don’t agree with VP being banned, unless they got access to coms and they were shouting death to Ukraine in their teamspeak call as he made the z or whatever

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:59 AM

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but on its face, i dont see how its much different than someone writing free honkong. its just different perspectives, and a young kid from a country that spends billions each year to indoctrinate their population... means they might have different opinions

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just cuz i dont like it

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:59 AM

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Ye ofc both are political

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 10:59 AM

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doesnt mean i cant try to understand his viewpoint

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and why he did what he did

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clearly hes not condoning the death of innocent people...

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 10:59 AM

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I don’t try to understand why 17 year olds do what they do

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It’s usually braindead

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0 thought, just wanting to meme

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:00 AM

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actually insane how somnus plays this teamfight

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his positioning

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this is some

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sick gameplay

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this teamfdight

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what a fight

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what the fuck did i just watch

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:02 AM

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that underlord bb and portal baited them back in

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:02 AM

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was kinda ridiculous

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the fact that morph gets to lowground wiht manta was super lucky tho

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:03 AM

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I definitely think theyd have done better with pure this game

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:03 AM

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3/4 uphill misses lmao

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on the ench

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:04 AM

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stone geode I definitely think theyd have done better with pure this game

psure theyd pla entirely different hero on pos3

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:04 AM

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they also kinda targetted underlord and just kept killing him

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:04 AM

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I really dislike heroes with pure damage orbs

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Ench od

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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oh

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its gg

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in

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1minute

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http://puu.sh/JKKGw/d309bb3790.png

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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Pure dmg autos is such a broken concept to me

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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pepeLa

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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worn drift Pure dmg autos is such a broken concept to me

ye they picked od to do some... pure damage

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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Kek

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Naga kinda had a free game

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:06 AM

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man that teamfight

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i need to see it again

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:07 AM

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Also just really shit initiation capability from bb

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Like what

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Pit of malice random guy ig?

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Or have your pos 5 bara charge in

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:07 AM

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was just a very good draft imo, really countered specific heroes

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od pick actually very solid in this match

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:07 AM

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I do agree tho if they had pure they would have a diff pos 3 and draft would go entirely different

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:07 AM

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against sb/pitlord/morph

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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F.ex ar would likely be forced to ban stuff like doom lol

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Since pure prob has one of the best doom in the world rn

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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but ye betboom are definitely

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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If not just best

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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tilted beyond belief

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the shittalking at start of the game

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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isnt doom like reso main hero

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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the pause at the end of game

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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played it all last ti

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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reso used to play a carry role on pos3, so technically hes actually in a very good spot to replace pure

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:08 AM

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Reso main hero is marci

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:09 AM

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stuff like timber/marci/doom

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theres a fair amount of overlap with pure heroes

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:09 AM

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But he is also out of practice im guessing

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:10 AM

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ye dunno

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ehs definitely not as good as pure, obviously

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moral damage to the team as well im sure

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they also prepped for a different opponent, or rather, prepped to not play at all today

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We want to emphasize that the incident could not have had a serious impact on the almost two-hour meeting - it happened at the ninth minute.

BetBoom Team do not agree with the severity of the punishment applied to our team. We have already sent a formal request to Valve and are awaiting a response. We rely on Valve to consider our request with due diligence and provide an unbiased solution. BetBoom Team is ready to work with The Bali Major organizers, Valve and all stakeholders to ensure that similar incidents do not happen again in the future.

While waiting for a response from Valve, Ivan "Pure~" Moskalenko will be temporarily replaced. BetBoom Team will be represented by Roman "Resolut1on" Fominok.

BetBoom Team hopes that the situation will be resolved fairly and taking into account all the circumstances.

BetBoom Team Crew```

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:21 AM

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Response kinda ignores that he alt tabbed into a twitch stream PEPW

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:21 AM

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theres might be smth else at play even

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its just some shitty twitch chat copypasta but its not entirely out of the question

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Since the game was paused due to lag he just tried to check if BizNet was working properly or if it was Valve's server. Once he confirmed that Nix's stream was working fine, he immediately closed it. 33 tried to do the same by playing a song on Spotify.

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obviously its bullshit but like

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i do that sometimes too

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:22 AM

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LOL

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:22 AM

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when my wow is lagging, i check smth else

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if stream is buffering, i immediately open a new tab to see if page loads

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or if my internet died again

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:23 AM

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Ye i mean would be nice to get their side

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But is what it is

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:23 AM

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i think theres no explanation that would satisfy people

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:23 AM

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Ye

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:23 AM

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to me its just silly alt-tab mistake cuz you play on your practice pc, not a tournament one that only has minimum amount of software installed

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:24 AM

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There are more questions to the org from me than anyone

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:24 AM

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NODDERS

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sucks for BB

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sucks for pure

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:24 AM

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Like why did you even allow the match to start with a player having a browser open ICANT

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:24 AM

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i think its fair AR requests for pure to be removed, imagine you suddenly have to play against a tournament favorite instead of a team that got rolled 2-0

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due to no fault of your own

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:25 AM

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Idk

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Obviously easy to say as a backseat gamer but idk if id ever do that just out of pride lol

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Kinda seems like some pussy shit

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:25 AM

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AR needs DPC points for direct qual, playing into tundra vs betboom makes a big diffy there

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:25 AM

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Especially when you are starting in loser bracket

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:26 AM

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wcyd

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:26 AM

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One thing i can say for sure is

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Please for the love of god stop doing bo2

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 11:26 AM

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jolly crane AR needs DPC points for direct qual, playing into tundra vs betboom makes a big ...

you mean to skip open qualis? cus they cant direct qual to ti

worn drift Jul 6, 2023, 11:27 AM

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So fucking garbage

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:27 AM

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rugged cipher you mean to skip open qualis? cus they cant direct qual to ti

they could if they win major iirc

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AR can still technically direct qual

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 11:27 AM

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no they would still be under execration then

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600 to win major

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and im sure teams above already secured points enough to get past execration

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or quest did aster need to win 1 lb round

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:29 AM

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I dont like that LC there

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:30 AM

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rugged cipher 600 to win major

ah oke, i read earlier that theres still a shot somehows

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or rather, that the result still matters

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mh i love the

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 11:31 AM

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Betboom done as long they win this game or place better or same as aster

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:31 AM

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0.5sec audio delay

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 11:32 AM

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Looks like pray for aster loss as this point classic

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:33 AM

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this audio delay

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is killing me

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:33 AM

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9p > aster

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:34 AM

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unwatchable with this audio lag

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Despairge

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 11:34 AM

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stone geode 9p > aster

Bet ramzes got beef with someone and wont mind losing KEKW

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 11:38 AM

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Is it on my end or is the stream laggy

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Watching on phone in office

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So can’t tell

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:38 AM

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sound is out of sync

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 11:38 AM

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I have random black screens with smol lag as well

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:39 AM

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nah, not that

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slark 6 now so he chillin

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:43 AM

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kotl giff mana

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:49 AM

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they rollin

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 11:51 AM

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ye

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kotl stronk

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game would look very different without the kotl having high levels early on

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 11:53 AM

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cores kinda keeping up though, most of gold diff is supports

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slark?

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what a game

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:29 PM

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i just saw they dqed them only in UB

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this TO somehow is worse than pgl

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icant

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:29 PM

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t1 event

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Classic

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:29 PM

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ye i agree they should either just fine them or dq entirely

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youi cant just make them lose 1 series lol

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:31 PM

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like drop them from the bracket for the next round

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or something

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that doesnt fuck over other teams as well

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:32 PM

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also dqing pure only?

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 12:32 PM

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would u rather have a bye game in ub semis than just theother team playing lb game?

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thats just worse

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:32 PM

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they should dq their entire team

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maybe it is

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but this decision makes no sense

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 12:33 PM

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answered to grizzleds suggestion

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:33 PM

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is there any worse solution

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than this one

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:33 PM

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maybe replaying the game

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in which he cheated

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coz it was during idk either game 1 or game 2 of tundra - bb

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so just replay that game

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that sounds like impossible one to pull off

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 12:34 PM

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doubt he cheated and it had any impact on results i mean the decision is kinda "fine" but they half assed on everything

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no other team but them got fucked over

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:35 PM

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ye i doubt it impacted the game whatsoever

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its just the tournament is bad

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perma sound issues ofc

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and stream is even lagging

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so need to scapegoat something at least kekdog

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and even this case couldve been avoided if they werent a sstupid to

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coz how is there noone watching them

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they might aswell been checking their phones 24/7 too mid games

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if there is noone standing behind them actually checking what they're up too

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:37 PM

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playoffs in hotel rooms

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pepeLa

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1h pause because bad internet

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:41 PM

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it would be funny tho if they dont qualify to TI now

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pure secretly hates gpk and does everything to gate him everytime

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Classic

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 12:42 PM

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ye would be funny if ar wins now and aster wins their game

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:42 PM

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fucking over the TI qual is the biggest yikes

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:44 PM

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rly well played fight from bb

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how good reso is

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when he isnt playing the game

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and just joins in casually as standin

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OMEGALUL

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:45 PM

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lucky he was there as an analyst

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:45 PM

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ye

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i think their coach is divine

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LOLW

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betbooms coach i eman

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:46 PM

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I dont even remember how the ranks go

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LULW

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 12:48 PM

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divine is one before immortal

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but imortal is very big

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:49 PM

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back in the day I pretty much only played non ranked with irl friends because skill diff was so big among us

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maybe I would place with 4 digit mmr now

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rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 12:56 PM

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big fight

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 12:57 PM

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seeker good in the situation

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also eblade/decrep saving the day

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 1:03 PM

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ye they need more nullis

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ye its over

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he has no bb on seeker

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 1:04 PM

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he bb last fight

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 1:04 PM

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actualyl funny how 2 people that died in each team are the ones that have no bb

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LOLW

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ye

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i thought fight would spiral out of control once they kill seeker

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but rosh moved

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 1:05 PM

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did he say neither team good at rosh

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tiny airlines

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blocked hook pepeLa

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thats gg

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 1:21 PM

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How did they win that

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 1:21 PM

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tiny

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2 tossbacks on ta

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 1:22 PM

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Fy/Somnus gaming

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 1:22 PM

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maybe if reso doesnt block the hook on bkb tp on the seeker its a little different

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so bad for BB

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id be fuming

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 1:23 PM

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Reso back to pannelling

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 1:23 PM

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lets go aster peepoCheer

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 1:25 PM

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Stupid outcome

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Bb got eliminated

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The TSM dream is still intact

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 1:37 PM

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bet boom actually already out from TI

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quest will pass them

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secured 400p already

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 1:38 PM

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Quest and aster need to be eliminated next round so betboom can stay

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Small chance

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 1:38 PM

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quest is secured top6 and 400p unless its already counted in

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ah ye they had already added it

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Yeah

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 1:41 PM

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so quest actually need top2 to steal spot but aster can just win 1 game

manic ermine Jul 6, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Ramzes will avenged betboom for sure

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Aster is trash

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Hope they lose

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 1:58 PM

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solo some classic 322 to remove bb

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 1:59 PM

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Not that i actually care

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But im actually pissed

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So guess i do

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 2:01 PM

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rugged cipher quest will pass them

thats already calculated in

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 2:01 PM

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stone geode Aster is trash

nah

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xxs/boboka are one of the best offlane duos

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problem is monet isnt very good anymore

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and they struggled a long time with finding a good mid, and now theyre doing pretty decent with a mid that doesnt speak their language lol

silver geyser Jul 6, 2023, 2:06 PM

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stone geode has there ever been an NA carry that was good

EternalEnvy Clueless

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 2:07 PM

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insert feardota mirror selfie

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 2:19 PM

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rugged cipher bet boom actually already out from TI

no they're not past them yeat

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it dynamically added 400 points for quest

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coz they had 230 before

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and now are updated to 630

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bb can still qualify through points if aster/quest wins no more games

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 2:20 PM

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well

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morph is just gonna win this game

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 2:20 PM

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ramzes morph PEPELA

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 2:20 PM

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morph aghs

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is just

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a silly thing

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 2:21 PM

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he can die

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in hookshot stun

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2 hits from drow

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because drow is mega hard counter

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 2:21 PM

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eh

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shard exists

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 2:22 PM

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stray yew no they're not past them yeat

if u kept reading i debunked they get owned if quest get top2 or aster wins this series NODDERS

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 2:26 PM

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i find it hilarious AR said they wont play against CHEATER PURE

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meanwhile take a look at chinese scene for past year

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or even during this tournament

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one of their wins was taken away coz they bug abused

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alkXD

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solo did that card too

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where he didnt wanna play against ceb i think when he flamed russians in pubs

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 2:33 PM

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stolen primal roar

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turned that fight

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balanced hero tho

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with hypothermia stacks

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just goes back to full hp anyway

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@stray yew well that was a crit on marksman proc

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lul

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 2:36 PM

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ye its impossible to play this matchup

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idk what items he made

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but he shouldve made ac

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 2:37 PM

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xxs just took all the initiations

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was good baiting imo, he always ran in and made the storm jump on him

rugged cipher Jul 6, 2023, 3:22 PM

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did 9panda hire bulba

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insane how they survive bh+global combo

agile onyx Jul 6, 2023, 3:33 PM

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Love a good pipe/greaves/crimson

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 4:01 PM

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home just in time for g3

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 4:18 PM

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sound still crap NotLikeThis

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 4:48 PM

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?

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 4:49 PM

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Even steven

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 4:52 PM

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skywrath on point this game

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axe too

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FOR CIS

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pepeLa

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Quest can still kill bb TI dreams

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 4:56 PM

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ye all up to quest now

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they need to make 2nd place i think to qualify

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 4:57 PM

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were the first 2 games in this series good?

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think ill watch the vods now

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 5:06 PM

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@stray yew

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https://clips.twitch.tv/PuzzledSillyReubenMVGame-PkCyUI2EAgXomPGP

Twitch

EpulzeGaming - rtz hunt

Watch EpulzeGaming's clip titled "rtz hunt"

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need your analysis

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 5:07 PM

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rofl

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classic morph death

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 5:08 PM

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SR t2 team

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 5:08 PM

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i need to watch that azure ray OD teamfight again man

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 5:08 PM

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-1 chinese team next round

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Good

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 5:09 PM

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stone geode -1 chinese team next round

they always manage to do that

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its funny

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think ive seen lgd vs aster or lgd vs XG so many times in the last few ysears

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in LB matches

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 5:09 PM

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ye, ive noticed

jolly crane Jul 6, 2023, 5:09 PM

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PepeLa

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often like

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Cus they always in lower bracket unless named psg lgd

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 5:09 PM

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big LGD fan

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I feel like liquid beat tundra

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 5:12 PM

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Yes

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Its gonna be liquid - gg

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Ub final

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And then bo5 is liquid - gg again

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4th time in a row or something

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 5:13 PM

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NotLikeThis

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 5:14 PM

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And then TI comes

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And neither liquid or GG go far

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 5:14 PM

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been a while since cis won TI

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actually cap

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because spirit

thorny fiber Jul 6, 2023, 5:16 PM

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Ye

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China tho

stray yew Jul 6, 2023, 5:17 PM

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thorny fiber And neither liquid or GG go far

they might win TI this time around

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becuase its gonna be joke prize pool

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Classic

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wouldnt be surprised if riyadh gonna be better prize pool

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quest is rly coming strong

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and tundra been allright entire season

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could see them doing well at TI too

stone geode Jul 6, 2023, 5:19 PM

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no shot TI is bigger than riyadh

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The current total prize pool is $18,930,775 USD ($17,330,775 USD added).

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thats last year with cosmetics compendium

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 12:11 PM

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how do nisha get like 0 crits on his slights

stone geode Jul 7, 2023, 12:23 PM

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tundra ez UB final

jolly crane Jul 7, 2023, 12:30 PM

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rugged cipher how do nisha get like 0 crits on his slights

Bad player

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Good player gets crits

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 12:31 PM

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but yeah he kinda threw not buying a bkb

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 12:33 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/14t2swg/9psolo_says_you_can_hear_casters_inside_stage/

r/DotA2 - 9P.Solo says you can hear casters inside stage booth duri...

72 votes and 14 comments so far on Reddit

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icant

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i rly liked tihs one

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33's spotify playlist

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kekdog

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 1:53 PM

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im not sure but can you even tell if tormentor is up for someone from looking at minimap?

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or is it this?

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nvm its glyph

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:00 PM

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ByeByeBetBoom wave

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but i guess they will get bailed out in the end

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:10 PM

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shrugeg all up to quest

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if anything its tsm that should be out

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and not betboom or quest

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LULE

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but major dpc points are joke

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:10 PM

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na dps farmers?

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:10 PM

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should be 3-4 times more points for majors

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i just cant say this enough

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but we rly need major fixing

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send 2-3 eu teams to NA

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:13 PM

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i mean i can see a lot of major orgs backing away from dota if shitty ti prize pool PEPW

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:14 PM

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why would they tho

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i feel like they would change contract structures when it comes to splitting prize pools and scuh then

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and players will pressure for that

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would they rather buy into league then for massive money then or just abandon dota entirely you think?

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:15 PM

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i mean dota has kinda been the "only play the rest for TI"

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but i guess influx of saudi money and tourneys helps a bit

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but they do direct invites to whoever tehy want

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:15 PM

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ye i was gonna bring the riyadh 'major' because that prize pool looks nice

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major prize pools in dota are joke tho

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:15 PM

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so orgs like secret etc benefit from it

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:16 PM

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its 200k for winning icant

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you could easily argue team like secret would be qualifying for majors if they played in NA dpc

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:16 PM

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and even nigma i guess get invites to riyadh

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:16 PM

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which i hope teams finally start doing

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because fuck that, tsm not doing shit at majors and just farm free ti spot

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absolute disgrace in my eyes

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you can meme SR or beastcoast but they at least gotten to playoffs/got some points in majors

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big respect to that

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:17 PM

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oh riyadh actually got some real qual stuff this time around

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:17 PM

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ye they do

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its more serious in that regard

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last year it was invite only and they had some t7 team in

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that got 20-0'd every game

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i remember icant

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also there is 2 spots in SA from qualifeirs to TI

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and both beastcoast and eg are already in through points..

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so there will be 2 absolute mazzaleane teams

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coz SA somehow got 2 spots like eu

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even tho eu has basically 3/4 teams on avg being in top 4

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LOLW

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:20 PM

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but sa were big last TI hokori and thunder awaken pepLaffing

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:20 PM

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i mean thunder awaken is half of the current EG roster

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fair play to that

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and beastcoast is no joke team either

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:21 PM

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sea has fallen off pretty hard

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:21 PM

#

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talon looked decent in dreamleague

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and they're also qualified

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idk what happened they didnt make it to this major tho

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its impossible to follow different dpc regions, even impossible to keep up with EU one even if you'd want to

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and eu one is ofc best + best hours for most of us on top of that

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LOLW

rugged cipher Jul 7, 2023, 2:31 PM

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alliance demoted from div2 KEKW

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and prison rtz no team after alliance, guess he could retire after 10k from loda every day

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 2:43 PM

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prison rtz

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LOLW

manic ermine Jul 7, 2023, 3:31 PM

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Monkey king offlane

jolly crane Jul 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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stray yew https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/14t2swg/9psolo_says_you_can_hear_casters...

i mean its w/e if its just without headphones

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since you have to wear headphones during game anyway

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 9:00 PM

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@jolly crane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_oTfnRIjg4&t=778s

YouTube

SlappyBag9

Quinn - Cool, Calm & Collected

https://twitter.com/ccncdota2 | https://www.twitch.tv/quinndota | @ccnc3944

SHOUT OUT TO INSANIA: https://youtube.com/shorts/MN0dt97sM3Q

Songs, in order of appearance:
· Percy Faith - Theme From A Summer Place
· Tom Stanford - Bella Ciao
· Edvard Grieg - In The Hall Of The Mountain King
· Frederic Chopin - Funeral March (Piano Sonata No. 2)
·...

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reminder

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yep

stone geode Jul 7, 2023, 9:03 PM

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so is that what ccnc stands for

jolly crane Jul 7, 2023, 9:04 PM

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ye

stray yew Jul 7, 2023, 9:09 PM

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birjin birjin IM BIRJIN

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na pubs LOLW

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 8:54 AM

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neta cant play without spotify unlucky

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 8:55 AM

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lose 3 series in playoffs to get eliminated

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worn drift Jul 8, 2023, 9:32 AM

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100 min game inc

humble yew Jul 8, 2023, 9:45 AM

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broodmother/arc warden

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kms

worn drift Jul 8, 2023, 10:10 AM

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Nah was a quickie

thorny fiber Jul 8, 2023, 10:10 AM

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worn drift 100 min game inc

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worn drift Jul 8, 2023, 10:10 AM

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Tundra shouldn’t even be where they are ICANT

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 10:10 AM

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they get another chance pepeLa

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50% of playoff series is just tundra getting 2-0ed

worn drift Jul 8, 2023, 10:11 AM

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Surely dyrachyo didn’t have recycling bin open in background or else dq again and tundra goes through

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Betboom praying for quests downfall

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Apparently if quest doesn’t get top 2 betboom goes to international

thorny fiber Jul 8, 2023, 10:16 AM

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Its gonna be gg vs liquid again aint it

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 10:18 AM

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pogthat

manic ermine Jul 8, 2023, 10:32 AM

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Believe in quest

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:41 AM

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GG just have the best and most consistent pos 4/5 players in the world atm

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wins them half the games

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in the laning stage already

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i like carry brood a lot more than the fucking aura brood

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 11:49 AM

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think this one is ogre, naga cant win by herself

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other cores dont do enough

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:49 AM

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wr needs 25

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and aghs

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 11:51 AM

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that rubick sleep LULW

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:51 AM

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micke also just not shoving waves well

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like hes not even attempting to cut waves

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in mid

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nisha has to do it on WR and dies for it

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 11:52 AM

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i think ur watching another g ame

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:52 AM

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err not micke

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ye

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i mixed up teams 😄

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i meant naga isnt shoving waves

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noob had to cut midwave on WR

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cuz naga not shoving/skipping waves

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 11:54 AM

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lol aegis reg during sleep

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:54 AM

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the stolen sleep is just

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closing the game out for them

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the rubick stood so far in just now and they dont even attempt to kill him

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Weirdege

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 11:55 AM

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everyone on liquid do so much dmg now

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:55 AM

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like

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where is the naga

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shes on top lane in the trees

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 11:56 AM

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pepeLa

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:56 AM

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while the mirana/mars/wr do stuff

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if the sd gets an aghs somehow or the wr gets aghs+25, then they might actually have a chance still

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but doubt they can hold the game that long

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wr is 25 actually

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 11:58 AM

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they dont have enough cc, cant even ignore cm cus bkb+aghs+shard+blink

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 11:58 AM

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naga needs abyssal imo

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 11:58 AM

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and rubick doing work and the otehrs just hurt to much dead

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now aghs on rubick also

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 12:00 PM

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naga isnt good hero if you cant finish the game by sheer fact of lane shove + getting gold advantage 30 minutes into the game

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tundra ti11 style

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 12:01 PM

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i think her itemization is just meh

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 12:01 PM

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naga is just a weak hero hero to hero matchup

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on even networth

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that hero is like alchemist, needs 1 or 2 items on enemy core to be able to fight it

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 12:02 PM

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mostly feel like potm is just a useless hero

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 12:02 PM

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liquid just dealt with rat dota

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exceptionally

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 12:02 PM

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dunno, the naga didnt rat that much

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was the WR that did the ratting

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 12:02 PM

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coz she was scared

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he

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 12:03 PM

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why are you scared

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as naga

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to rat

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against a team without abyssal/basher

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 12:03 PM

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coz stolen song

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good vision

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travel 2s

jolly crane Jul 8, 2023, 12:04 PM

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idk just looked disjointed

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their gameplan

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someone died somewhere, but they didnt get anything for it

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no map control or ward or smoke or lane shove

thorny fiber Jul 8, 2023, 12:07 PM

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What did potm do this game tho

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Like playing 4v5

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 12:18 PM

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it was meant to be setup with sleep to arrow i think

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but yea didnt work out

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LULE

thorny fiber Jul 8, 2023, 12:51 PM

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Is liquid saving betboom

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 12:52 PM

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yes

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well quest would have to overcome tundra also

thorny fiber Jul 8, 2023, 12:52 PM

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Tundra kekl

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 12:54 PM

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liquid throwing

thorny fiber Jul 8, 2023, 12:54 PM

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Everyone wants to kill ammar

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 1:00 PM

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dead

thorny fiber Jul 8, 2023, 1:00 PM

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Gg

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 1:07 PM

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its not liquid throwing

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quest played exceptionally

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mars and beast played perfectly

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cut creeps very well

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 1:07 PM

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i think nisha+micke getting caught bottom t3 alone both dying

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 1:07 PM

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so they couldnt push

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 1:07 PM

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turned game around

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 1:07 PM

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unlike previous game they never managed to kill rats

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that cut waves

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 1:56 PM

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this looks already over

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they just need to remove lifesteal from brood

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and walking through cliffs

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and spiders from ult

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and that hero will be balanced

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Classic

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 2:00 PM

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believe in nisha ember

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 2:02 PM

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it looks so hard for liquid

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 2:02 PM

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Cring 06:00

rugged cipher Jul 8, 2023, 2:07 PM

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putting eu tournament in bali with non eu friendly time slots LOLW

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 2:07 PM

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every tournament is eu tournament

manic ermine Jul 8, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Liquid can win this

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 2:12 PM

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🐸

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snap not doing much the entire game

manic ermine Jul 8, 2023, 2:20 PM

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Lvl 25 timing is massive for snap

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 2:22 PM

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had to afk

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whats the situation

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even gold sus

#

idk how is liquid doing it but htats some impressive stuff

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and ive seen tbs lose games like taht because its not that hard to kite a tb

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 2:24 PM

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good wave push

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and rat

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also morph into brood

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 2:25 PM

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dying brood

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no better view

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but yea snap becoming new hidden carry

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typical snap games yep

stone geode Jul 8, 2023, 2:28 PM

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should not have lost that

manic ermine Jul 8, 2023, 2:28 PM

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I think this means betboom gets the TI invite

stray yew Jul 8, 2023, 2:28 PM

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damn insane

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yes @manic ermine

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gpk qualified 2 times

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in 3 days

#DotA