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ripe heraldBOT Apr 5, 2023, 12:59 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:29 PM

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KP can jump in later but

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bad opener.

your shadow strike into rupture is okay

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but then never press tornado after dance

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your next actual ability after dance was 2 seconds into the dance, essentially wasting 25% of your dance

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also don't rupture during dance

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you did 3 finishers when you could have done 4 with your shuriken tornado

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you also didn't press sec tech at all in the first dance

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also didn't press shadow blades for ages

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unless its bugged you also only used grief torch twice, right at the end of the instance

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barely any puzzle box up time as well

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you didnt use on the first pull

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i'd advise just getting some passive trinkets if you can find them

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or a whetstone

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your coldblod looks to be macro'd to sectech so that's one thing that looks good

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this looks sus and probably shouldnt have happedn

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but i assume misclick or something/brain fart

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i've done it before

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:33 PM

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yeah probably xD

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:33 PM

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this snd cast seems off as well

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so im gonna just put a general assumption that your snd up time is a bit shit

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:33 PM

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It's the skip AV pull lot's of mistakes cause I'm watching for adds to stun

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:34 PM

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ahhh yeah i feel that

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the -dps because you gotta watch out for stun

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try use mouseover macros

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:34 PM

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but it's good to have feedback there's a lot of stuff I do wrong

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:34 PM

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it really helps

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as long as you don't take any feedback as calling you shit you're gucci

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but yeah mouseover and setting focus target helps with stunning off targets

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you can also mouseover the focus target

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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I realise I kinda press every cd without much consideration

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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you've done the shuri tornado after sdance again

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yah

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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And I dont rupture enought before dance

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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sub is sorta

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very static in its rotations

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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yep I tend to press it before dance but it doesnt go because of gcd or low energy idk

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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i think you're also saving symbols for sdance

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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then I press it after

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:35 PM

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which is a nono unless you play 2dance build

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yah try pool a bit

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or save a tea

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tea is also not that amazing in aoe

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its something like 7.5% dps loss in st to not use

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:36 PM

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yeah symbol usage is wrong just realized that after reading wowhead again x)

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:36 PM

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or 2% dps loss in aoe to not use

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faq

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read that before wow head

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wowhead has some parts potentially out of date

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go to the rotation section

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:36 PM

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ok good to know

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:36 PM

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where its got a video of what to press

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then go to valdrakken dummies

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and hit that for 10 minutes

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and just build your muscle memory up

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!rupture

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hmm commands dont work in threads

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but yeah it's boring af

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but it helps

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go there, do the opener right

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then keep rupture uptime when out of dance

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NEVER RUPTURE IN DANCE

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unless its the first global when you Shuri tornado + dance

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is the only exception to the rule

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you dont need to hold shuri tornado for dance as well

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you can just send on cooldown

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because its CDR for dance

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:38 PM

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That's interesting as well because I tend to feel like outside of dance idk what to do

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:38 PM

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the same thing you do as when you are in dance

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except you can also ruptujre things

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:38 PM

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Basically I tend to go too early into dance

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:38 PM

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early into dance is fine

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:38 PM

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then do wrong things in it

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:38 PM

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but yeah

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you press the wrong things

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ecks dee

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:39 PM

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then outside I just shuriken / BP

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yeah bad

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:39 PM

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yeah thats normal

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you only rupture targets

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that are gonna live more than 12 seconds

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and dont already have rupture

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:39 PM

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I got some better pulls on my next key already

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Gotta build that muscle memory up, setup better

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:40 PM

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yep

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remember to use your trinkets as well

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i'd advise not using puzzle box

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its a pain in the ass

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but if you got nothing else better than send with it

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remember to grief torch as well

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Yeah

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:40 PM

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do you use weak auras?

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Luxthos yeah

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I added trinkets

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:40 PM

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ahh

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kk

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:41 PM

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torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:41 PM

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dont need to link you one then

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yeah remember to use trinkets

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you cna maybe save the puzzle box for another add pack

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if its coming up in the next min

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but grieftorch send on cd

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to anything thats gonna survive the full channel

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also how did you add the trinkets

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i didnt know luxthos had that

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:41 PM

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copied one of his auras

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:42 PM

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i gotta find that later

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:42 PM

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torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:42 PM

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hmmm

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kk

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im sure its on his site somewhere

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Damn @torn kiln you covered lots

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:42 PM

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sorry @lavish hill stole all the easy pickings

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:43 PM

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I'm gonna have to look through and find what you haven't covered

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:43 PM

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This is actually rly good I learned a lot

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:43 PM

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YooThumbsUp

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just remember with sub

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it's not as hard as it seems

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a lot of people have this impression with sub that it's some crazy complex spell

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:43 PM

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torn kiln it's not as hard as it seems

Other than a 8gcd perfection, it's all gb evis simulator

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:43 PM

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you gotta mange shadow dance + sec tech

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also sblades

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also symbols

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wtf 4 cooldowns to manage

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also manage rupture and slice and dice

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:44 PM

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Oh and finality rupture

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:44 PM

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that as well

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but it's really just

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lol send shit on cooldown

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:44 PM

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And cdr

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And tornado

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And stiletto

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:44 PM

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oh yeah forget about tornado

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your sectech syncs up with your dance - if it doesnt you're doing it wrong

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symbols you always send off cooldown

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:44 PM

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I'm gonna review in about 30mins

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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shadowblades are also send off cooldown, except if you have a boss coming up

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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torn kiln your sectech syncs up with your dance - if it doesnt you're doing it wrong

Under no circumstance do you send sectech outside of dance.

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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and rupture + snd is just press and forget

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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mouseover rupture worth it ?

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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torn kiln and rupture + snd is just press and forget

Maintain the durned uptime sir

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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yeah, if you forget to sectech because you dance'd and the pack dies

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you just hodl

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for the next dance

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i have mouse over rupture

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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vital spire mouseover rupture worth it ?

Yes but your positioning matters because replicating shadows isn't smart

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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^

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though thats a bit min/max

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:45 PM

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Not really

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:46 PM

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Realized yesterday I didnt rupture anything except my main target that was a big W already

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:46 PM

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i think doing the positioning for replicating shadows defs is worth doing

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but only after you get the basics down

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and the muscle memory

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:47 PM

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vital spire Realized yesterday I didnt rupture anything except my main target that was a big...

noice. rupture is a HUGE part of sub dam

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:47 PM

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^

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:47 PM

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its like 1 or 2 on meters for overall

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:47 PM

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torn kiln noice. rupture is a HUGE part of sub dam

Rupture is min top 3 for damage profile

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:47 PM

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yeah

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:47 PM

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It should be 2nd depending on dungeon (sectech smbg comes to mind)

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:48 PM

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make sure you do that as well

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:48 PM

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oh that's how you do it

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huge

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:48 PM

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ye th ere's a bunch of commands in the sub discord

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:49 PM

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Is the heal reduction poison worth on sanguine weeks ?

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cause I played that as well but it might not have been the best

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8% isnt that much

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:50 PM

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i think its worth

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the difference between instant and wound

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is 0.5%

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:50 PM

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ok good to know

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well thanks a lot I got a lot to work on already 🙂

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:51 PM

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yeah

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a bunch to take in

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give the FAQ a good read

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it's basically going to cover everything i've already said in here

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if not more

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anyways im off to sleep. you can take over now KP

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glhf @vital spire

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 1:53 PM

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thank you ❤️

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:53 PM

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no worries

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 1:54 PM

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torn kiln anyways im off to sleep. you can take over now KP

Takes the easy pickings and runs. Durned fimb

torn kiln Apr 5, 2023, 1:55 PM

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CB_run

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:01 PM

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Yeah this is already much better, getting around 160k 5 targets 3 min

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on dummies

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:08 PM

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right so off the bat, couple of things stick out other than what Fimb has mentioned:

valor is uncapped atm, go farm sub ideal gear. helm, feet. alternatively, go craft stuff (weapons both to 418)
damage profile is off, sectech is way low
SnD uptime is surprisingly ok, other than 1 big spot where it lapsed hella long
defensive use is pretty nonexistent, you need to work on that asap. tricks use needs to be consistent as well

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where is sectech? you lose massive dps not using sectech
tornado before dance not during
no ruptures during dance unless part of a tornado opener
tea usage seems fine here, ensure you follow tea rules

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never sectech outside of dance. ever

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cp overcap, try to avoid this

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2 snd so close to each other?

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:13 PM

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yep there's def misplays in pulls where there's a lot to think about

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:14 PM

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strike can be your 2nd builder here, gives full cp (1st strike only) and 1 extra dm buffed stack for sectech

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:14 PM

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So SD - strike - BP - shuriken - sectec

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:15 PM

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vital spire So SD - strike - BP - shuriken - sectec

or sd storm bp strike sectech

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:15 PM

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ok yeah

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man there's a lot of stuff I do wrong

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:16 PM

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not a fan of this sequence, you lose a DM stack for sectech

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:16 PM

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vital spire man there's a lot of stuff I do wrong

we all came somewhere. I will happily show you my old logs which were critiqued and my logs now

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and im sure my logs now are still WIP

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:17 PM

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I came back for DF and played DH havoc, took a while to get it to a good level too. Early advices / log review help a lot, avoids building bad habbits

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:17 PM

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sectech as 2nd finisher, again no ruptures in dance

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:17 PM

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vital spire I came back for DF and played DH havoc, took a while to get it to a good level t...

doing log reviews for others to confirm your understanding of the spec helps too

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:18 PM

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I dont have a separate bind for gloom

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:18 PM

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vital spire I dont have a separate bind for gloom

you should

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because there is a ST optimisation for dance which involves gloom

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dance, strike, evis, strike, (gb), sectech

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this assumes 2nd strike didnt crit

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and thus you are below CP required

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:19 PM

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ahhhh

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:20 PM

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I keep seeing empty GCDs in fights from time to time. unsure if low energy or something else

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:20 PM

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probably low energy or running somewhere

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thundering clearing or brain fart

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:20 PM

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the sequence makes no sense. 2 strikes into dance means CP overcap

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remember with 1st strike of dance, you will hit almost full CP

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if not full CP

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hey you did tornado before dance here. but the rotation is off
tornado, dance, bp, rupture, sectech
whereas sectech was 2nd finisher here, you lose DM stacks

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this is weird. do you have CB as a keybind somewhere? if so, delete it now. macro CB to sectech and forget about it

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:24 PM

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yeah that's weird

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it's macroed to sectech

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lemme check

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:24 PM

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vital spire lemme check

no other keybinds have a CB macro or CB on it?

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:25 PM

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hmm no and it used to be on alt 2 but I have trinkets here rn

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:26 PM

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vital spire hmm no and it used to be on alt 2 but I have trinkets here rn

odd, but thats the only incident that does that so far. maybe logger farted? gonna watch this

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this is cp overcap again

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:27 PM

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yeah I smash my keys sometimes

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:27 PM

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no tornado midway through dance
2,. tornado rotation is also off

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:28 PM

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vital spire yeah I smash my keys sometimes

break that habit. smashing it and flooding your queue means wasted gcds

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:28 PM

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It's also probably why I miss so many tornados

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:28 PM

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vital spire It's also probably why I miss so many tornados

missing tornados is a mental model thing.

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:29 PM

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Because I want to send it before dance but I wanna go too fast

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:29 PM

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tornado has 2 uses, CDR and aoe dance rotation

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:29 PM

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afraid I'm gonna miss one and overcap

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:29 PM

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vital spire Because I want to send it before dance but I wanna go too fast

aye then practice. use it on CD or hold for next aoe pack

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:30 PM

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vital spire afraid I'm gonna miss one and overcap

least of your problems tbh considering you overcap many other areas

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:30 PM

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yep

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I think I got a lot to work on already

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I'll come back when I get the basics down 🙂

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:30 PM

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yeah im gonna stop reviewing at this point and summ up what you need to work on

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major issues:

dance rotation in ST or AOE, dance is a 8GCD with ideal rotation laid out for you. Sectech should be the 2nd finisher
- ST, depending on CP you enter dance with: dance, strike, evis, strike, (gb), sectech
- AOE w/o tornado: dance, storm, bp, strike, sectech
- AOE w tornado: tornado, dance, rupture, bp, sectech
no ruptures in dance unless part of a tornado opener
tornado before dance not during, otherwise send on CD or hold for pack
damage buff usage (symbols, shadowblades). Send asap, do not hold
trinket usage is low. Get an easier on-use like whetstone (boon is sim bait) and a better passive (icon, cct)

minor issues:

if you push higher keys, learn to use defensives (feint, cloak, evasion, vial)
vanish strike optimisation is great if you know how to use it

muscle memory and practice are your best friends now. you need to consciously be aware of what spells you are sending and not just button mash.

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:37 PM

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tyvm idk how long threads stay open so I'll at least save your summary

lavish hill Apr 5, 2023, 2:37 PM

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vital spire tyvm idk how long threads stay open so I'll at least save your summary

they vanish from sidebar after a day, but if you check threads in sub they will be there permanently until you leave thread

vital spire Apr 5, 2023, 2:37 PM

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ok perfect ty 🙂

torn kiln Apr 6, 2023, 1:44 AM

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@vital spire you should also have a separate bind for GB because there is an awkward interaction with stealth bar and it swapping

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there are times when you will press teh stealth bar

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and assuming your GB/shadowstrike are both on 1

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you'll spam 1

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but your first global when you enter sdance

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even though you press 1 to shadow strike

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you'll press 1 to gloomblade instaed

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thats why they should be on separate bindings

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(also if you play outlaw/assassination you'll get procs of ambush/shadowstrike that you will need a separate bind for)

vital spire Apr 6, 2023, 10:11 AM

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Yeah I binded it yesterday so I could use GB in ST dance

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Keys were already much better yesterday dps wise, a bit of a brain lag sometimes getting lost about what to do for a few sec and some mistakes already pointed out but I'm on the right track

torn kiln Apr 6, 2023, 10:21 AM

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good to hear mate

lavish hill Apr 6, 2023, 2:40 PM

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vital spire Keys were already much better yesterday dps wise, a bit of a brain lag sometimes...

take your time, don't rush things and let yourself make mistakes. Then consciously recognise and fix them. You'll do fine

vital spire Apr 7, 2023, 8:08 PM

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much better already 🙂 Still some mistakes but getting there

torn kiln Apr 8, 2023, 7:14 AM

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LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOOO

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