Laus Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

dark heron Apr 3, 2023, 4:50 PM

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Hello

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Meowdy!

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 4:51 PM

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hey

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 4:51 PM

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logs

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 4:51 PM

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give me the talk

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tell me im thrash ❤️

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 4:52 PM

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No

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I won't do that

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 4:52 PM

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cringe

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but yeah, help me out

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so, what u guys think?

dark heron Apr 3, 2023, 5:06 PM

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Letting ahri cover this one and will hit any points she missed. She’s trying to figure it out herself, and doing a decent job!

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There are definitely a few things to touch on

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Okay

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Writing up a lil review as we speak

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Okay gamer. You did pretty well outside of two critical messups. And that's fight duration. Terros died right around the 4ish minute mark, and we're a clunky lil class with 2 and 3 minutes by design, for better or for worse.

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You fired off a 2 minute DM when you couldve waited until 3 minutes for a far more potent one with exang + box in zoldyck range

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Losing a SUBSTANTIAL amount of value

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Also, your opener could use a touch of love, and your combat potion of choice are pretty submoptimal. You overcapped a decent amount of energy. But you did well on combo points.

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I tend to puzzlebox during the cast of vanish garrote, as it's a 20 second buff and you have 3 globals between then and deathmark having your dm capture your entire puzzlebox CatHeart

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Tidy up your opener, fix your combat pot, and study your fight timings.

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The strength of a puzzlebox DM in execute is insanely strong. You'd probably have gotten close to a mid 90 parse otherwise.

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Hope that helps catnod

dark heron Apr 3, 2023, 5:24 PM

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The big thing (that I saw) as ahri said was your opener, then holding your dm and making sure you actually use your PB in the three minute range, since your kill timer was 4 minutes almost on the dot.
So CD Usage should have been:
0:00 - Vanish, exsang, puzzlebox, pot,, DM.
0:45ish or whenever allowed, torch.
3:00ish - vanish, Exsang, puzzlebox, dm.
Whenever that came off CD, grief.

That’s assuming no deaths and timing error. If you play it to the second correctly, can grief before the 3m mega lineup

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 5:54 PM

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@patent pasture just making sure you see see this

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 5:55 PM

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sry, went to the some shit at work

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 5:56 PM

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You're okay!

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:)

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 5:58 PM

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so, on that pull, my dm didnt went through, so big oof on my part

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also, what u said about holding dm + vanish for a bigger burst window since fight wasnt going to last more than 4 min is a big catch,

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but im still i little confused on the opening/burst window

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ive been looking on logs how they do it and still confused y garrote/snd/garrote/rupture/ER/rupture(why?)/SBS and cds

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so still getting that in my head

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Sec

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:00 PM

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and im super confused on how exsang and dm works

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:01 PM

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Whats confusing about that

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:01 PM

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should i have my dots up before or after i used it?

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:01 PM

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Before or after you use what

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:01 PM

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(btw, im super new to ass, mostly played sub and outlaw, so might miss some basic shit)

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:01 PM

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lofty lantern Before or after you use what

Exsang+dm

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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Ye i gotcha

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Ok so, biggest part of the class that sucks

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Exdang accelarates your bleeds

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Deathmark is a bleed

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Ergo, exsang accelerates your deathmark. (Bad, you may as well jump in terros pit)

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But, what deathmark does do

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Is duplicate your exsanguinated bleeds

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So, a big factor here as to why you want to want to play exsang, even if we don't care for it is that it truncates your bleeds to get more ticks in faster than your dots normally will

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So using exsang on your dots before you hit deathmark

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Bc it doesnt fuck your deathmark

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:07 PM

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ohhh

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i see

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makes a lot of sense

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so

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let me get this whole thing straight

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basically, get all my dots running before exsang

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pop exsang

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dm,

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and back to prio (?)

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:08 PM

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Lemme show you yhis

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Here's your opener on Terros

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patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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k

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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Here's my opener on broodkeeper

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patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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u vanish before sang

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uhm

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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I do, yes

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Per the opener I sent you

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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i will try on a dummy rn

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1 sec

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:10 PM

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Ye ok

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:10 PM

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uhm

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i think i messed up

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:11 PM

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On dummy

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Or terros

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:11 PM

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both

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:11 PM

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I know you messed up on terros LOL

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:11 PM

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yeah lul

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my problem is

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i understand y u garrote twice at the start

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and i understand y u sn with 3-4 cp at the start

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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Snd?

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Slice?

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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yeah, srry

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snd

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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Ye np

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So

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Envenom

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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but y rupture on 3-4 cp

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?

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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Oh ok

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Do you know how pandemic works

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You fire off a 3 cp rupture bc it gives you enough time before you hit echoing reprimand

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:13 PM

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uhm, u mean the time of a dot that u should re apply?

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:13 PM

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And rupture

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Ye

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So pandemic allows you to take 30% of a dots duration and apply it to a new dot

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So by 3p cp rupture, er, rupture agaon

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You hit a 7 cp max pandemic rupture

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Which is 40.??? Seconds

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Instead of the 31 it'd be at 7cp no pandemic

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Giving you about 4-5 more ticks in exsang.

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:14 PM

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uhm

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ok, but that only matter on pull right?

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:14 PM

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Which is actually 10 with deathmark.

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Yup!

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Only on pull.

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:15 PM

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next burst window u probably have a full 7cp rupture on

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got it

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:15 PM

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6ish, bc er doesnt naturally like up

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:15 PM

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yeah

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 6:15 PM

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But it does sometimes

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But ye

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Make sense?

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:16 PM

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i does

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btw

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those er count as a dot?

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ok

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gave it a new try

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felt like a did less dmg

dark heron Apr 3, 2023, 6:24 PM

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patent pasture those er count as a dot?

It does not

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 6:51 PM

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k

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 7:12 PM

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and bout the tea/ sbs usage, use freely for energy?

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 7:22 PM

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Sbs is dont overcap

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It does more damage than a mutilate and grans 2-3 cp

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Tea is spend one charge to start generating one. And use only when you'd get the full 100

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 7:24 PM

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k

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 7:25 PM

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Ye

patent pasture Apr 3, 2023, 7:42 PM

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ok

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i tried on last time and spiked 200k after vanishing on the dummy

lofty lantern Apr 3, 2023, 7:58 PM

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That's kinda subjective but that opener is v strong. Hope this all helps you a bunch!

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:36 PM

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ok, been training a lot tomorrow, and i need to say, thx alot for the help

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i did 85k on a st fight and maintained 100k on the dummy today

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felt super natural, so yeah, u guys are awesome, luv u ❤️

lofty lantern Apr 4, 2023, 3:37 PM

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CatHeart

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So happy to help!!!

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:38 PM

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SoCute

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:40 PM

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and also

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wanna see if im correct on this

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but it feels like energy starvation is a big problem on this class

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and when u doing the opening, u farm some ambush procs

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and using them on max energy is a problem, feels like checking my energy before using ambush proc is a good min max

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:41 PM

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I mean it’s first tier

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:41 PM

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and thats also y we take ER and SBS, cause doesnt cost energy

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Trust me when I say that’s the fastest opening tier in like

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Forever

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:41 PM

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dark heron I mean it’s first tier

yeah, but outlaw and sub doesnt suffer like this

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:41 PM

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We’ve had

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Energy regen is different for them

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Ours is linked directly with stats thanks to VW

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:42 PM

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i see

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i swaped my gms to mastery - crit, but its feels like having a little more crit than mastery might be good, just for more procs (?)

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:43 PM

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It’s just a sim question

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You want all stats

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Stats = good

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So whatever combo sims best

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You send

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And ur zooming

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:44 PM

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k

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pog

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damn

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i finally made it boys

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im officially a NOT ONLY SUB OUTLAW ROGUE

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tahts pog

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:45 PM

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SoCute

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:46 PM

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one more question...

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:46 PM

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Of course

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:46 PM

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if i have a ER cp that i need only 1cp to get it

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is it a war crime to garrote for it?

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(garrote is not close to end but also no that far from it)

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:48 PM

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Nah it’s not

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Unless you’re overriding one that matters

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It also may be a loss

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It’s kinda neutral to miss compared to forcing so drac_shrug

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:54 PM

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ok

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not gone lie

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the tilting part of missing the last ER cp after 5 times, feels right to garrote to get it

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:55 PM

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dark heron Unless you’re overriding one that matters

u mean during the burst right?

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Nah I mean

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:55 PM

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im mostly saying outside of the burst window

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Don’t overwrite exsang’d or ss’d garrotes

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If possible ever

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:55 PM

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ss'd?

dark heron Apr 4, 2023, 3:57 PM

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Shrouded suffocation (from stealth)

patent pasture Apr 4, 2023, 3:57 PM

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o yeah, for sure

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those are prio, 100%

patent pasture Apr 12, 2023, 3:23 AM

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yo boys

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im here to share the following

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all thx to u guys ❤️

dark heron Apr 12, 2023, 3:25 AM

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SoCute

lofty lantern Apr 12, 2023, 4:13 AM

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Look at the bloom

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