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whole plinthBOT Mar 17, 2023, 1:35 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 1:35 PM

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diggin

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:37 PM

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apparently I'm not that Discord savvy and couldn't find any instruction on the !log command. will try to figure out ... what that does.

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 1:38 PM

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lol nah its fine

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usually the initial post is just !log and then you post shit after

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it doesnt matter

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I'm looking at p1 right now just to spot anything fundemental thats being messed up and im noticing some bad habits on the rip

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:43 PM

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I'm all ears.

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 1:46 PM

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we're not running The first dance here, which is correct - its raz and we want bp for the adds. this means we do not want to gb as our first GCD in dance. you're Dance +GB->SS almost every single dance.

without TFD you're dance from 0 cp should look like:

Dance+Strike->evis->strike->(GB if needed)-> Sectec

this vanish wants to be inside dance. this will a) stack damage modifiers of the shadow strike and b) refresh your premed buff
You should only ever GB once in a dance. The one circled here is actually ok to send out, as i mentioned earlier, but because we gb'd earlier our entire dance generation is off and we end up wasting 25% of our dance on glooblades.

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this is from the opener but it remains a consistent problem throughout p1

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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" You should only ever GB once in a dance." <-- that I "know". Academically, anyway. So if I GB more than once that's an execution issue. .... I'm certainly not intending to GB more than once in Dance. ... but I was doing so specifically to get the Dance Macabre buff prior to ST. ..... BUT ..... ...... this particular Raz talent build ... makes that an incorrect assumption? ... that with this talent build I want Dance+Strike->evis->strike->(GB if needed)-> Sectec ?

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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lukoli is actually playing a lot owrse than you

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they're getting carried by their trinkets

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!gb

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:52 PM

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well let's not tell her that because she's gotten much much better. ... sadly, I'm her coach.

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which if I"M fundamentally messed up, poses a problem

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 1:53 PM

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411 greif torch is doing work for her on the phases where shes out damaging you

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your biggest issue that ive found has been your dances

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which is a fairly big one to have for sub

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:53 PM

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... me thinking I had that figured out ....

pliant basin Mar 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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I don't know if it's worth to perf but using SD during shield phase on P2 increase a lot your dmg

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It's maybe a bad habit that i got their but i keep a bit my SD on P2 just to bursting this shield, that the difference we can see on the graphic At 4:10

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:55 PM

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pliant basin I don't know if it's worth to perf but using SD during shield phase on P2 increa...

I appreciate the observation. THis wasn't my best Raz fight by any stretch. One of the worse, really ... so the boss fight mechanics itself I don't want to get hung up on . The Dance rotation ... I definitely want to make sure I have right

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I picked this fight because it was an illustration of Lukoli hitting harder than me on avg on key abilities

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 1:56 PM

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dusky plover I picked this fight because it was an illustration of Lukoli hitting harder than...

oh thats imple

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She's incoorectly delaying dance for symbols

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:57 PM

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.... oohh.... is she. naughty girl. So she's "Artifically" boosting her Dance metrics, but overall getting less in ....

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 1:58 PM

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the plateaus are when she uses grief torch, your damage is the blue line hers is purple

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tell her to use grief torch more she missed liek 6 casts this pull

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:58 PM

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I"m familiar with her grief use. that part i get. it's more the -- her ST hitting harder than my ST --- but I"ve also seen that on other fights against other rogues. .... so now Im questioning what I thought I understood about Danse Macabre and use of Gloom in Dance.

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:59 PM

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safe field tell her to use grief torch more she missed liek 6 casts this pull

I will. ...... A few weeks ago she was single digit parsing ... now she's into the 20s and 30 percentiles.

pliant basin Mar 17, 2023, 1:59 PM

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It happens only on razageth ?

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 1:59 PM

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no

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:00 PM

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dusky plover I"m familiar with her grief use. that part i get. it's more the -- her ST hittin...

so this is p1. What you're noticing is that her ag hit is higher than yours

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but the DPS is lower

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thats cause shes syncing dance

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:00 PM

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.... gotcha. that does make sense. syncing it with the other buffs but... NOT using it on cooldown fast enough yah

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:01 PM

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ok so lets talk about Dance

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gimme a minute to grab examples

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:02 PM

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considering how much I"ve read about it .... I"m embarased and .. also eager to learn.... bc like I said I thought I understood it, lol

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thanks for the help, btw.

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:03 PM

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our intermission is so sad we basically lost 2 casts of dance

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try and pay attention to transition timers to avoid this

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not the point im getting at but

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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understood. I could have posted one of the raz fights where I was above median parse performance and the boss mechanics questions wouldn't have been as pronounced. .. we pulled the damned thing 12 times and wiped every time. To my credit, I was top dps every time. ... but that doesn't make me good relative to my sub rogue peers... which is what I'm trying to figure out

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^^^ I was all too aware of when I mis-timed a dance window relative to fight phases

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Alright well i cant find an aoe dance example so you'll just have to trust me and read some text sorry

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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^^ hurts me emotionally

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well. hitting two gb is not something I want to do, I get that. And delaying Vanish till Dance expires, also I don't want to do that. I might not fully grasp The First Dance and how it functions.

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so. I'm an idiot. "We're not running TFD here."

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.... so in my head, where I'm reciting "The First Dance, sort of enables our Danse Macabre stack building by making it possible to reach max combo points with a unique builder like Gloomblade at the start of Shadow Dance" is a moot point. I didn't adjust my normal mode of thinking for the actual talent bulid I was running

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Single Target:
With tfd, our dance is incredibly scripted. Every single dance should look the following:
Dance + GB -> Eviscerate -> shadow strike -> (Coldblood +) Secret -> [(vanish) shadow strike->eviscerate...]

Without TFD our dance is a little more malleable but should still stay fairly consistent. the MAJOR difference is you no longer try and force the dance at 0cp, so theres generally 2 different types of dances you can enter into:

Low CP: Dance + strike -> Evis -> strike-> (gloomblade if only at 4-5cp) -> (Coldblood +) Secret ->[...]

High CP: Dance+evis -> strike -> Coldblood + Secret ->[...]

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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dusky plover .... so in my head, where I'm reciting "The First Dance, sort of enables our Da...

i was just typing this

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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lol

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fuk me.

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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"you're getting confused opening dance as if you have tfd becvause its a ST fight, but it should be dictated by your talents not the fight type"

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:13 PM

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got it

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..... or at leat, got that part

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"Low CP: Dance + strike -> Evis -> strike-> (gloomblade if only at 4-5cp) -> (Coldblood +) Secret ->[...]

High CP: Dance+evis -> strike -> Coldblood + Secret ->[...]"

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totally.

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U think that's the biggest fundamental (non fight mechanic oriented) thing here on my rotation?

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:14 PM

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raz is a rough review for me personally

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theres a lot going on in this fight

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but its definitely the biggest factor to your performane issues

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dance is the most important 8s of the class

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:15 PM

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I appreciate it. .....

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:15 PM

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rupture uptimes, for example, seem very low

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but it could just be ads are melting

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I like reviewing terros cause its easy and any issues with the class mechanis shine through since the fight is pretty much a patchwerk

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:16 PM

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maybe that particular fight but I'm not worred abour rupture uptime, or S&D , in general

safe field Mar 17, 2023, 2:17 PM

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i have to get back to work, GL on raz prog. IF you have any follow up questions or whatever leave them here. someone else will answer them or i can get to them when im out of the wage cage

dusky plover Mar 17, 2023, 2:17 PM

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If I understand a mechanic, but am not executing it well .... I can comprehend that. IT's when I do'nt understand ..... I can't fix a rotation I don't undrstand. ya know?

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