that hits for 50 million
#Diablo IV
tender plinth
inc, taken inc, res pen, support gems, etc.
open nymph
and in a world without pob, poe would be a giant fucking mess of badly designed game
tender plinth
he is just delusional
there is no actual text in poe so hard to tell but you prob hit for like 5-10 on coast and then 5-10mil per proj in the end game
not that I am surprised to see dumb take from quin
open nymph
ye
i do agree with the multiplier issue though
even in beta at lv25
if you had full legendary setup
you already had
5 or 6 different multipliers
maiden anvil
Isn't that how skill gems work in PoE?
In terms of adding 5-6 multipliers to base skills
tender plinth
pretty much, although you can't really easily scale those 5 multipliers
latent spade
my main problem with the game after looking at the build calculator is that theres literally just more buttons i want to use than binds to use them
latent spade
oh i want to use dark shroud and stealth
open nymph
and you can swap skills midfight
latent spade
is a meme
open nymph
in the hotbars
latent spade
any sort of + skill that you get that isnt the stuff on your bar is a meme
open nymph
so its not like youre limited, its just really clunky
maiden anvil
Not directly in the same way as diablo where its just "WW x% increased damage" but theres still insane damage multipliers all through PoE
latent spade
just add a ctrl bar like poe has or just literally more skill slots
maiden anvil
latent spade
if they added a way to stance dance specializations with a keybind with rogue and added more skill slots i think my enjoyment of this game would go up ten fold
late pebble
latent spade
if you could combo inner sight + preparation it would be so fun lol
open nymph
im guessing the idea is
a heavily limited set of abilities
makes it easier to balance
shell prism
open nymph
since many ultimates or summon skills add a lot of DPS
shell prism
better numbers
open nymph
and being able to cycle them is... not a good idea
maiden anvil
sand oak
https://i.imgur.com/XrxlnDt.png
ncie this looks like d3 im hyped
maiden anvil
The numbers are quite funny but I never even cared about wow and it feeling needed to "do squishes"
latent spade
and being able to cycle them is... not a good idea
are you even able to have multiple ultimates scaled
maiden anvil
if my wow character was doing 1.2t dps I wouldn't rlly care
shell prism
was torment not available in the closed beta
tender plinth
since many ultimates or summon skills add a lot of DPS
if +all give really all skills, even unallocated, then that would be op
maiden anvil
But yeh lol
latent spade
i thought it actually hard locks you to only put a point into 1 of them
but maybe +all skills circumvents that
tender plinth
I guess people are crazy about numbers because all those multipliers d4 has are scalable, like better gear is more "damage vs", "damage with", "damage while", crit multi etc.
open nymph
well all skills grants all defensives for example
thats why +1 defensive skills is so good
tender plinth
so if they all grow a little the end result is increased by quite a lot
latent spade
well all skills grants all defensives for example
swap in dark shroud mid combat
press and swap back
awesome gameplay
playing fucking runescape just clicking your ui
late pebble
late pebble
Woop
late pebble
shell prism
https://www.youtube.com/@maxrollgg/videos if u need any previews
steady plinth
less than 2 days
dusty notch
will right after raid though B(
what is raid 
maiden anvil
maiden anvil
Uh maybe
latent spade
well 2 in particular
underwhelming sense of prgression and boring itemization
= giga bad at least imo
maiden anvil
It depends what u find fun about these games
I just like killing monsters and grinding currency
I'm kinda over poe itemization
At least for a bit
It's good but it's a bit exhausting
latent spade
eh i think arpgs need to have certain things to be enjoyable
maiden anvil
Just want something a little more brainless
maiden anvil
I just wanna kill monsters and grind levels tbqh
But they seem committed to adding depth so idk
I don't expect it to be insanely hard to digest season 0 with no league mechanics
latent spade
ye prob not
maiden anvil
Duno if they want them to be fully seasonal, like modern Poe leagues lol
Or like, layering systems
Rune wards also are coming right
Eventually
Rune wards seem cool
latent spade
idk what that is i played d3 literally last season that was my first diablo experience ever
tender plinth
items do seem maybe too simple but that's also product of time
poe hasn't had fractured/influenced/synthesised/new influence/recombs/fossil mods/essences on release)
latent spade
ye i think for me d4 will prob be pretty meh on release but hopefully overtime improves a lot
im sure i'd probably hate poe first iteration as well
tender plinth
I think seeking brain stimulation in d4 is just not really the play
at least not on initial release
latent spade
ye
i was kinda hoping for a layer of complexity when push told me you can swap specializations on rogue easily mid combat
but dont think thats the case
dusty notch
Diablo is about slaying monsters and looting items. PoE is about solving a complex math equation and then slaying monsters and looting items 
tender plinth
druid looks brutally painful at the start
covert cave
I think it's different for everyone depending on their aspirations. But I'll play D4 and do the things I find fun during levling instead of trying to find something optimal. I'm sure druids will have some fun stuff too that might be slower but make it feel less painful
open nymph
druid looks brutally painful at the start
It was
full stream
I agree in beta druid was slow to start. Played warrior also, but may end up doing sorc or rogue.
open nymph
lot of those cons are kinda reallllly bad <:PEPW:869194256785498172>
yeah its a bit worrisome for sure. it basically reads like
pros: its an arpg
cons: with very little depth
think itll heavily depend on how quick theyre able to deliver new or deeper endgame systems. obviously its important that on release, the leveling and storyline experience is very good, and i fully expect that to be the case. but if this is like a shadowlands situation, where it takes them like 6+ months to bring something new to the table that gives more sense of progression when youre done with story, then thats very concerning
tender plinth
Season is in 2 months tops right, should be good enough of a display
late pebble
I think they're aiming for a 1-month launch window
tender plinth
they said mid-late July
dusty notch
It was pretty clear that D4 is going to be tailored for the 'casuals' in terms of depth and complexity. D3 wasnt that much different, even D2 to some degree
I think thats fine
open nymph
ehh, its a lot less than d3 tho
theres a bit more build complexity, potentially, but endgame seems to be incredibly lackluster, and i dont see them fixing that within a month or two
dusty notch
end game nightmare dungeons seemed rather hard no? atleast from robs video i think
but we will see ig
tacit bone
hard doesnt neccisarily = fun
dusty notch
true indeed
indigo cipher
tacit bone
late pebble
sand oak
find my name ❤️
sand oak
dam seein rogue s tier for speed 
got me thinkiinnn
however i do not like that its skill intensive and i gotta dodge i wanna brain off…
tacit bone
should i tornado druid?
tacit bone
what is hurricane
late pebble
open nymph
tornado druid guide on maxroll has no hurricane
cuz hurricane is fucking awful
does negative damage
tender plinth
97% over 8 sec sounds not that much
tender plinth
unless it's like trippled against CCed
seems kinda meh
or just as CC device itself
dusty notch
cuz hurricane is fucking awful
its okayish, not as awful as people try to paint it
open nymph
its
dusty notch
especially considering the utility and easy perma uptime
sand oak
whirlwhind BARB
open nymph
a pointless skillpoint
sand oak
i got mega deluxe editiij
also i love that this game has overworld shit like altars and stuff
i got completionist syndrome in single plsyer games plat trophy type vibes
so thats right up my alley
dusty notch
dusty notch
powerful effect =/= tons of damage
open nymph
its a defensive skill and thats pmuch it
its 3 points for 20% less damage
which is fine, ofc
but like
meh
open nymph
which you can get from like
50 other sources
and it only slows enemies in melee
cuz its aoe is tiny
so it doesnt actually do shit for elemental druids
dusty notch
seemed fine considering most dungeons are rather narrow i think
open nymph
yeah lemme just
let that beefy ass mob
walk up to melee
so i can slow it
for more dps
druid in general just lacks non-melee forms of CC
dusty notch
it happens anyways no? atleast it did for me on beta
open nymph
it happens anyways no? atleast it did for me on beta
yeah cuz theyre pushing really hard into the shapeshifting aspect of teh druid
which is fine but
very disappointing to someone like me who enjoyed all kinds of elemental druid builds in d2
which are just kinda... not really existing outside of twister
dusty notch
i did play strom strike over the range thingy tho so i was kinda melee anyways
open nymph
which turns into a monstrosity in endgame gear
well ye cuz
anything but stormstrike is garbage early on for spirit gen
cuz you didnt have druid spec in beta
later on you wont need to melee nearly as much for spirit
but they already took away the fire tree from druid entirely
and 1 of the core skills of air druids is a glorified defensive skill, but it takes up the slot of a wrath skill
which limits design options pretty heavily, because you now have exactly 1 storm skill that can do damage, which is twister
cuz channeled skills 
tacit bone
what's the most based build?
dusty notch
i think or rather hope they will actively balance the classes so im not that worried (yet)
open nymph
what's the most based build?
for druid or in general?
tacit bone
in general
open nymph
oh
i mean
answer is still the same
druid twister was
one of if not the strongest build in endgame beta
tacit bone
I heard a lot of people saying whirlwind barb was the strongest
cause of the 4 weapons
open nymph
you can kinda spam twisters with highend gear, which just skyrockets the dps potential of druid
but ye both barb and druid were significantly better in endgame beta
but that was
4months ago so
main difference is that you might actually reach that level on barb before you wanna refund the game, cuz leveling as a druid is godawful
tacit bone
is twister tornado?
open nymph
ye
open nymph
not really
dusty notch
maiden anvil
Druid is mega tanky, maybe not every build, but some builds are ultra tanky
open nymph
obviously if you play some
overpower stacking bear
its gonna be tanky
but the main issue is that druid doesnt have SA to break out of cc
which is painge
if youre frozen, youre gonna sit in that freeze until it expires, and theres nothing you can do about it
and i think every other class has a SA they can activate mid-cc
tacit bone
I'm just gonna wait for my friend to play over the weekend and then decide to buy or not
pure mortar
What we playing
pure mortar
jovial knoll
What we playing
🪄
late pebble
sand oak
barbs rise up ❤️
open nymph
considering playing rogue just so i can play rogue for once that actually gets patchnotes
pure mortar
No way i can't play rogue
though might as well dick around with everything before s1
sand oak
free yourself
pure mortar
keep on moving up that mountaintop?
tacit bone
Yeah I'm playing druid
tender plinth
No necro enjoyers?
uncut jewel
druid 
shell prism
No necro enjoyers?
chilly hinge
No necro enjoyers?
Bone and blood builds look very cool
trail wind
necro is just a crap wiz
sand oak
with being able to skip campaign hopefully having alts is friendly
jovial knoll
alts should be pretty fun with all the lillith statues too
im grabbin all those
i tried setting up my paragon boards for my sorc and i need so much dex/wisdom to cover some breakpoints 
hopefully the statues help enough
jovial knoll
the self sabotage
maiden anvil
sand oak
i just finished watching his review of ranteraxx tier guide
kripp knowledgeable as heyl
dusty notch
my new pc parts came in woo
but i wont change em yet cus id have to reinstall windows n stuff
covert cave
Ordered new keyboard for launch, but got delayed until 6th. So I guess I'll need to relearn everything by then!
dusty notch
Ordered new keyboard for launch, but got delayed until 6th. So I guess I'll need...
my new keyboard came in yesterday but for some reason i had no problems at all
dusty notch
Which one did you get?
Asus ROG Azoth
covert cave
tiny
dusty notch
I kinda wanted a custom keyboard but cba waiting months for all the parts
covert cave
That one really doesn't have unused space :p
It doesn't have a print screen button? :o
covert cave
I guess all the young people takes "print screen" with their phones nowadays anyways ;P
Oh, I see!
I got a Ducky One 3. Full size, since I use numpad a lot for work and calculations and stuff
And I've had a Ducky shine for ages and I love that. So this was most similar
What do you have Lorentz?
tender plinth
I am a big sad Ducky cancelled slim mechanical model
I tried one mechanical keyboard once and had to return it after a week of use
covert cave
With your comment, I'd guess a low profile lenovo work keyboard :P
tender plinth
close
covert cave
apple?
tender plinth
tender plinth
I can't use high keycaps anymore
covert cave
I have black switches currently, I like the resistance
tender plinth
years of notebooks and slim keyboards at work
covert cave
yeah, dislike writing on my laptop
tender plinth
I just so used to not having to move my fingers so much up and down)
so on mech I constantly was bumping into sides of keycaps
covert cave
You could get EC ones, and have them trigger very shallowy :D
tender plinth
and even after some time I couldn't get used to it and it felt quite unnatural
tender plinth
okay, gifting went through
that's already good
now I have to buy copy for myself
@maiden anvil @shell prism sorc or rogue?
tender plinth
I am
covert cave
Good to hear
covert cave
Oh, right. I think you said.. Armenia?
tender plinth
yes
covert cave
Never been there at all, feels like a good fit?
tender plinth
feels safe
shell prism
<@96834520417828864> <@214798019294527490> sorc or rogue?
me sorc, guy rogue
tender plinth
but I don't consider it as my final destination
just a quick and easy hideout since I don't need any visa to be here
covert cave
It's pretty mountainy isn't it there?
tender plinth
not to the degree I would expect)
covert cave
Ah, hope this stuff ends and we can go back to more passive aggressive stuff instead
tender plinth
it has a lot of elevations but not really big mountains
covert cave
I just recall seeing those big mountain backdrops from.. the city close to Ararat
tender plinth
Ararat is Turkey
covert cave
oh. my bad then, sorry
tender plinth
it used to be Armenia and it's a very touchy topic here
you might guess those 2 nations don't go along well
covert cave
Yea
tender plinth
genocide and their sacred mountain being not their territory
my brief convos about Turkey were...filled with cursed words)
covert cave
The whole area there has so much history of war and disputes
tender plinth
I saw one of the spears that allegadly pierced Jesus tho
covert cave
That's actually pretty neat
tender plinth
not religious but seeing and listening about history behind those objects was cool
covert cave
Yeah exactly
tender plinth
it's one the 4 spearheads(I think that's the word) that claim to be the one described in the bible
covert cave
I mean, the reverence around such items trumps if it's actually what it say it is
Where was that located?
tender plinth
covert cave
Beautiful
And also the language is super hard for me to wrap my head around
Though, nice catching up. But it's lunch now.. and I drifted this a bit off topic ;P
tender plinth
covert cave
Lovely!
tender plinth
One of the first pics I took here)
covert cave
:)
covert cave
I see the rogue playstyle there as a pro and not a con :p
tender plinth
I see the rogue playstyle there as a pro and not a con :p
jokes on you I am into that shit?
dusty notch
your gpu old or you mean cus of an bug
tender plinth
bug, think they were frying 3080ti
quasi cairn
twisting blades seems lit
wonder how death trap plays
and it was a problem with nvidia drivers
not a diablo specific thing iirc
tender plinth
latest drivers seems to be causing problems for people
jovial knoll
was just about to update drivers after waking up too
tardy sage
jovial knoll
i have two diablo 4 channels now wtf
open nymph
open map and then there should be a button on bottom right to reset dungeons
in your quest journal
trail wind
I thought resetting dungeons was removed, or was that for beta only?