#GUH - Log Review
silver epoch
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first of all this is quite a while back, do you think this still accurately represents what you do in your rotation?
otherwise you might get advice that no longer applies
if its the best you have then it is what it is though
sonic coral
i think its hte best i got
let me check
oh wait i have one
this was done recently. Keep in mind its raid so im kinda not serious playing but. I try to do my rotation as well as I can to build muscle memory
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ok well i can look and see if there are any major deviations from rotation, but i dont know what sort of help you're looking for
help with ST rotation? ST rotation with AoE talents?
sonic coral
so its all
heres my rotation for single target, please let me know if its wrong
Opener, ST, gloomblade, rupture
shadow blades, symbols, dance, with shuriken tornado
shadowstrike eviscerate
gloomblade shadowstrike secret tech
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so dont use nado in single target, it's just awkward. if you're bringing it for aoe portions of fight, just save it for aoe portion
sonic coral
really
i was just doing it since i saw some youtubers talk about it being a slight dps increase
Churpie iirc
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even if you are going to do that, you shouldnt use it during dance
you are using dance and then nado
which means you are wasting dance time on the cast time of nado
use nado first, then dance right before the first storm in the nado goes off
sonic coral
sure
so another thing is in single target i feel like i run out of thistle tea and energy really quick
but heres the thing
after i secret tech i have about 5 seconds of dance left
I usually ST two times
and then eviscerate once dance ends and then gloomblade
but should i be doing ST and eviscerate ST? even though that would only be 3 CP in shadow dance sequence
sonic coral
oh sorry
shadow strike 2x
so shadow dance
gloomblade shadowstrike
eviscerate
then shadowstrike Secret Tech
then i have about 5 seconds left on shadow dance after I secret tech, so I usually shadow strike 2x
but not sure if I should be doing htat or shadow strike, eviscerate
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if you are playing without the first dance talent, you are not required to gb so you should ss first, and if you havent pressed sectech yet and you have 4 cp, then you should press one gb
sonic coral
yep playing without first dance
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its 8 gcds, so you are saying its gb-ss-evi-ss-sectech you should have 3 gcds left,
sonic coral
got it so just using it as a macab stack
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just follow combo point rules
sonic coral
so greater than 6 only even in SD?
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in aoe every time you storm you can finish, you will have enough cp
sonic coral
my opener is tornado, boon gloomblade, synmbols shadow dance thistle tea
right
but i go
rupture for first tornado
then black powder black powder
black powder, secret tech
once tahts done i keep black powder shuriken storm
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there is an aoe opener in #subtlety-faq but you may or may not be able to use it. if you're talking about m+, then usually you end up rupturing adds while tank gathers before dancing
and dont get a perfect aoe rotation
aoe opener*
sonic coral
yeah thats what i do
i get ruptures up
and slice and dice
btw these are stats and items
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so yes you can rupture during nado / dance if no targets are ruptured, otherwise do not
sonic coral
everything is 415 ish except for icon and boon
boon is normal, icon is heroic,
so is my rotation just keep ruptures up
and hten storm, black powder, storm black powder outisode of shadow dance?
i feel like i do no damage
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yes that is the aoe rotation
what kind of content are you trying to do damage for? m+? thats about right for m+
sonic coral
M+
I just don’t understand how I’m doing so little
On five target
If I just keep rupture up
Shuriken storm black powder
I average 130
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That’s not little damage
If you are doing the right rotation then you are doing the best you can do
sonic coral
But I’m statted right no?
Like with how much crit and mastery I have compared to the top subs
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But 130 on 5 targets sounds normal or high even
sonic coral
No I’m saying
My stats are fine
But I’m still doing less dps than some other rogues
There was a rogue that was 402
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Yes but if you are saying you do less damage than other sub rogues, where are you getting this comparison
sonic coral
With 40% mast who’s secret technique was more than mine
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I think biggest thing that’s hurting me is energy and thistle tea
I find myself running out of energy and thistle tea on single target fights quite often
Is that normal?
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Yes that’s normal
sonic coral
I thistle tea to make sure I get enough for second shadow dance
Then another for gloomblade spam after shadow ends
But then I’m just out of thistle tea usually
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With 40% mast who’s secret technique was more than mine
This sounds like either this guy hit more targets than you, crit when you didn’t, or you are misremembering
But also don’t gloomblade in pure aoe, you mentioned it earlier in your aoe opener
sonic coral
Oh no gloomblade in aoe
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In single target don’t tea for dance except if you have 3 tea
In single target you use it for energy
sonic coral
Yes
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Aoe use it for dance
sonic coral
But I find that I have to make sure I have energy for after dance
To make use of the 50% shadow damage from gloomblade
After dance
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If you are running so low on energy before second dance that you have to tea for that and for gb before
Then you have to pool
sonic coral
So here’s a question
In aoe I find I often greed before I secret tech
And I think my secret tech goes off after dance ends
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It does not snapshot no
sonic coral
I usually secret when dance is at like 1.5
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If dance ends before the clones hit
sonic coral
What is snapshot
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The clones do not get buffed damage
sonic coral
Aghhhh
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Have to have the clones hit in the dance
sonic coral
That’s definitely where I’m losing a lot of damage then
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But by the way danse only stacks on unique casts
So you get a danse stack for first sstorm and powder
You don’t get more by using it last
sonic coral
Right
So for aoe I usually dance
Storm
Black powder
Shadow strike
Black powder
Storm
Secret tech
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You should ss sectech, the second black powder doesn’t stack
Just use it second
Second finisher
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Yeah that works
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It’s 4
sonic coral
Not sure if that’s efficient at all though
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The sectech gives a stack
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With those 4 buttons you will get 4 stack
sonic coral
So qq after shadow dance
You have buffed gloomblade
Why do I see streamers just able to gloomblade twice and get 6cp
But I technically have more crit than them
And I usually have to spam gb
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They got lucky
sonic coral
Yes I’m behind boss btw
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You get lucky too sometimes
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Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you do not
sonic coral
Gotcha glad it’s just luck then
So what’s your mentality with energy in single target after shadow dance ends?
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Spam gb and press tea if I need it
sonic coral
Say you have only one thistle tea and it just came up
But then you’re at no energy no thistle tea afterwards
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If I’m low on energy and still at high lingering stacks I would use it
Tea sustains you for quite a while
If I’m low lingering stacks right before another dance, that is where your damage is the lowest
sonic coral
Another thing that absolutely kills me is two or three target cleave
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If you think you will run out of energy during dance just pool instead
sonic coral
I usually storm eviscerate
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Unfortunately two target is our least favorite as sub rogues
Just accept that you will be in pain
sonic coral
But are you storm eviscerating or
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Yes
And shadowstrike in dance
But there is an optimization you can find in sub faq channel
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Where on two target you gb instead of storm if you have lingering for longer than I think 6 seconds
Which is 33 stacks
sonic coral
I haven’t been doing too high keys on myself eogue
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And I use that optimization
sonic coral
Gotcha
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So I don’t usually storm almost at all
sonic coral
But I usually end keys in 70 80k if it’s mass pull dungeons like nimbus
Nokhud
And then 50 60k for court
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It’s hard to say because it really depends on tank
sonic coral
For 411 not sure if that’s good or not
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If your tank is a coward then your dps will look lower
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If you really feel that you play a dungeon well and still don’t do damage you should log it
Log the dungeon
And put it for log review
sonic coral
I’m only doing 55k single target
Which I feel is too low compared to other classes
Especially since sub is s tier right now
Yeah will do
Do I usually have to ask for someone first
Or do I just do what I did today and hope someone looks?
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Just put it in a !log
Someone will get to it eventually
Usually a few days
Or less