anonanon - Log Review

[odd cradle]

Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

[bitter hill]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pJRM6X1vb4d8m3Ac#fight=33&type=damage-done

@sick ore

Here is the log

I think I failed on blade flurry with add phases probably

[marsh creek]

[bitter hill]

yeah yeah

I know

I've basically only ever pugged this raid

tanks always do a different order of shit

It's never consistent

and I think I suck too

[marsh creek]

i mean your name. not the parse

[smoky mason]

Identity theft 😔

[sonic night]

[bitter hill]

xD

I thought we've been over this

but maybe it was zac

I made this character long before I ever joined this disc

It's just a coinkydink

You want to send me 10 euro and I can name change hehe

[sonic night]

Was me

I accused you of identity theft

But you told me solo knew

[bitter hill]

[sonic night]

[bitter hill]

I thought he did

I mean I have posted screens of my char, and logs and whatever

and he was chatting away in the channel

I just assumed he saw and didn't care I guess

[sonic night]

Knowing solo he is probably devastated rn

[smoky mason]

Only thing i can directly notice when compared to my own log is that your cpm is on the lower side

[sonic night]

Probably won't ever talk to you again

[smoky mason]

but im not amazing by any means either

[quasi adder]

ive seen this in most logs when checking cp, what happened at that one spike bc it says 6cp but no builder generated it

(not specific to this log but if anyone knows how to interpret this please let me know) bc i have no clue if that finisher was sent early or if it actually was 6cp like it suggests

[smoky mason]

Idk could be some FTH delay, i do experience it here and there ingame, but i would assume that logs wouldn't experience that lag

[quasi adder]

there was no fth involved there

the builder before was a ss

and then its nothing followed by a cp spike that doesnt have a generator for some reason

[smoky mason]

yeah i have the same in one of my logs where it goes from 6 to 7 without stating what generated it

[quasi adder]

its in basically every log but idk how to interpret it, like i can see if someone finished early quite easily in most scenarios but whenever it does some weird stuff like this idk where those cp came from

or if they were even there to begin with

[smoky mason]

i would go under the assumption that it has something to do with critting or not

[bitter hill]

yeah my cpm is low, partly due to hardware. I'm stuck playing at 20fps on a laptop, and the FTH and extra strikes cp build up can be slow. I have to wait a bit to see what it lands on before i can finish but trying to pump up apm

what I also noticed compared to other logs is how low my bladeflurry damage is compared to other people

[smoky mason]

yeah i myself noticed at the start of tier that my apm is a lot lower on fights i have lower fps on

[bitter hill]

I think I need to work on poistioning for adds

[quasi adder]

lower bf dmg can have a few reasons, mainly positioning like you mentioned but also mistakes in the rotation will lead to lower bf numbers

[smoky mason]

yeah positioning is big

i suggest getting a WA that shows target in range of BF

https://wago.io/1rxHzJZjt

[bitter hill]

Yeah but I think rotation wise I have vastly improved; like vanish dance use and stuff. But I do forget to refresh blade flurry sometimes

and see myself dancing away with blade flurry down and adds taking 0 damage

so I need to work on that

[smoky mason]

yeah thats a big issue

[bitter hill]

ah yeah! been meanting to get that

[quasi adder]

rotation seems solid from what ive seen, few mistakes here and there

[bitter hill]

that'll help

[smoky mason]

noticed a small gain when i started using that in keys too

[bitter hill]

Nice to know, yeah I do fuck up when I am in the heat of it. I practice on dummies but as soon as there is raid warnings and fps drops and shit I panic a bit

[smoky mason]

But i think the biggest gain for you would be CPM

[bitter hill]

yeah 99, ugh

that's so low

[smoky mason]

100 cpm isn't terrible, but you can definitely get higher

[bitter hill]

yeah the log I was comparing to doing 120

over a 5 minute fight it adds up

like 100 casts less

[smoky mason]

yeah 120 is good

[quasi adder]

one thing i noticed is that you are sending fth procs at 3 stacks during subterfuge

[bitter hill]

yeah I noticed it during the fight, idk why i was doing that

[quasi adder]

fth gets used similar to how the old dance rule was in subt

so only at 6 stacks

[bitter hill]

I think because I added an audio Q to fth

so I hear it and press it

i pavlovd myself

[smoky mason]

are you tracking the stacks?

of opportunity?

[bitter hill]

but yeah I know I need to

[bitter hill]

yes

THanks ofr pointing it out though. I will raid tonight

so I will try boost my cpm and avoid PS during subterfuge

[sonic night]

It doesn't change anything tbh

This one is exactly neutral iirc

Oh you meant not using at 3

Tought not using with cto

Mb

Continue

[quasi adder]

making me doubt myself

[smoky mason]

I just ambush and not bother with PS

during vanish or dance windows

[bitter hill]

yeah I mean normally I don't, idk why I think since I added the sound queue to opportunity procs it makes me press the button on auto pilot instead of considering that hey: I'm in subterfuge

another thing I noticed in that fight, is often I would dance or vanish only to see I had no energy.

SO need to work on BR use too

like at full energy subterfuge should give me like 3 globals, but when I have no energy I get to press ambush once and then subt is gone

thanks for the tips by the way fellas, I'll see how I do tonight and report back

[quasi adder]

this ring is also quite outdated so might also int your dmg a bit using that ring

[smoky mason]

that, and you had only 1 out of 3 potential boon casts

[quasi adder]

yeah proper boon usage could also juice the numbers

[smoky mason]

depending on the order you can use it on pull, and on the earth adds during earth phase

but my group did fire > ice > earth

and boss dies during earth

[quasi adder]

also phasing the boss at like 1.5% and adding another 2 minutes didnt help your parse either but i doubt you have a lot of control over that

[smoky mason]

yeah

[quasi adder]

generally speaking quicker killtimes = better performance but again you said you mainly pug so kill times will baseline be higher than with a guild

rotation seems fine outside of a few things which you even said you are aware of so just keep working on those, trinket usage and gear in general could use some work though 399 aint the crème de la crème

[bitter hill]

I mean I simmed vault today, had a 408 ring simming at -0.5%

just haven't found anything to replace it

[quasi adder]

are you simming st or slice?

the ring does good st but falls off in aoe scenarios quite quickly

[bitter hill]

Yeah, I debated using it in the opener, honestly didn't think it would be a 7min long fight, so I saved it for adds, and then yeah..

Normally the fight should only be like 4ish minutes from the logs I've seen

[bitter hill]

Hard to know this in advance, been pugging this entire raid tier so I never have the same tanks or group

[bitter hill]

Yeah it was a shit show.

[bitter hill]

Alright thanks for the advice. I got gem slot from vault because vault was crappy. I valord myself to 400ilvl and gonna add socket now

[quasi adder]

valor uncap is huge so you can just farm gear if you want

[bitter hill]

You guys been really nice to review the log and give me advice

tysm

[bitter hill]

Defs planning to :D

I need to get conc. infusions too, just need to get over my fear of doing +16s

I get a bit of performance anxiety in this game

[quasi adder]

could start with the easy stull like COS and SBG

those are free keys most of the time

[bitter hill]

yeah for sure, and bump myself up a bit to 2k because right now it's preventing me from doing valor upgrade

[smoky mason]

anyone wanting to improve should get the help to do so imo, you're welcome, but there are def more qualified people than me

[sick ore]

Just scrolling through this since ive been tagged, this ring still sims best for me in St vs unsocketed 415 droplet

[quasi adder]

go get a socket then

[sick ore]

Nah, im planning to get my sub stuff up and other vault choices are better than sockets until now except once where i socketed my diurnas chosen

Also with the 10.0.7 ring coming i aint socketing a ring anytime soon

[quasi adder]

fair enough, ive had my droplet with a socket traded to me in week one or sth

been gaming with that thing ever since

[sick ore]

I hate you

Getting all the gear i want

Time for me to get home and do m+ and get my 398 crit mastery halls ring to 415

[quasi adder]

uncapped valor gaming

[marsh creek]

Never seen it in my life

Until now

[sonic night]

solo

you wanna see something cool

the misery might end soon

[marsh creek]

🤔

[sonic night]

sneak peek just for you

[marsh creek]

oh wow are you working on it?

[sonic night]

yea

its actually easier than I tought

once you understand how things works

[marsh creek]

maybe “And you aren’t already capped on combo points” -> “And you are below 6cp”

[sick ore]

I sneaked a peek too

[sonic night]

yeah dont worry about the text thats easy we will be able to change everything we want

for now I will be working on implementing the missing stuffs/logic

and then we can get all the pretty texts

😳

[marsh creek]

good luck

I think tracking wasted combo points might get weird

but at least currently outlaw doesnt need to track that i guess

“amount of generators pressed at 6+cp” might be a more used error metric than “amount of cp wasted”

[sonic night]

yeah it actually doesnt really have a globally wasted cp point

so I will just ignore that and check uh builder efficiency or something I think

like if you cast ss at max cp its bad

well idk Im not sure yet there is plenty of cool stuffs we can do

will see how it goes

[marsh creek]

[sonic night]

think the best thing is the timeline honestly

like you can have bad gcds in red with info about it

[quasi adder]

the end of manual log reviews

[sonic night]

soon ™ no leak

I will potentially give up halfway

and we wont have anything for another year

[quasi adder]

i mean even have a basic one working should solve most of the common stuff

[sonic night]

yeah

I dont think I will bother with kir for now

[quasi adder]

Who even plays that

[bitter hill]

Oh no

[bitter hill]

Ramfam lol

[sonic night]

I feel motivated for now so should be fine lol

[bitter hill]

Yeah it's great that you're doing it

[sonic night]

yeah solo will finally be able to sleep

[bitter hill]

I wish the WCL timeline was more .. developed? Idk, would be nice to be able to see like what rtb buffs are up at any given time

[bitter hill]

Haha

Hopefully he does

[sonic night]

I can easely do that with wowanalyzer already

like even if I dont go all the way the wowanalyzer timeline is extremely powerfull

[sonic night]

example here

you see the buffs and casts and cds

all in one timeline

which is kinda crazy good

ang gcd

bro crazy website

[bitter hill]

Yeah seems like it, I guess I'll throw up some logs just to look at them in the timeline

[bitter hill]

Yeah I saw that that's why I mentioned the WCL one. It's so awkward

[sonic night]

well the current one is not updated and dont show a lot

this is the type of stuff Im working on updating for now

[bitter hill]

Yeah especially when it's up to date! Honestly was so useful for me back in the day, parses went up every week based on the advice and stuff

[bitter hill]

Aha I see. Well wishing you luck, not sure how I could help sadly but hope you find other people from this disc willing to contribute

[sonic night]

Well I will try to commit some stuff quickly so people can start using some early stuff

Like the timeline

Would at least let us do log reviews way easier

[quasi adder]

wclogs timeline is actually disgusting to look at compared to the one from wowanalyzer

[bitter hill]

Yeah for sure, making the tool work best for you is a good start

[sonic night]

Ye

But the wow analyser lack some stuff as well

I might try to talk to them about it at some point

But for example for outlaw if I code all the rtb buffs in the timeline

It becomes un readable

So i wish there was a checklist of buffs in the timeline on the website

So you could chose to show some buffs or not

[quasi adder]

yeah sth similar to how icyveins has it where you can check certain things for rotation but with rtb buffs in this case