#anonanon - Log Review

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twilit sealBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

flat oyster
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I've been pugging the raid, last night I finally got kill on Rasz. I used to parse grey and green on everything so didn't bother with log review since EVERYTHING was wrong

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but now that it's kinda decent I'd like some help if possible

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I know a few things: I pop CDs sometimes right before phase ends, I think in this fight I popped dance just before first intermission and wasted the whole thing

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other thing is I only just learned to play HO like 2 days ago so still messing up blade rush uses, and I fuck up on dance a lot too. Often pressing it at low energy or w/o SnD and RTB buffs up etc

frank sand
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yo

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well first thing first its a 11 min fight and you used your trinket 1 time

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just that is 4-7 k more damage

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you almost never use your BR at low energy

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just use it when you are low on energy and you can spam it in add phase

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lot of hole in blade flurry usage too

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you need to refresh it 1-2 second before it fall off in cleave scenario

flat oyster
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Yeah for Boon I wasn't sure when to use it. I think before I was using it on pull but then didn't have it on add phase, and this time I decided I'd rather have it on add phase. I think I forgot to use it after, would have been nice during the last burn

frank sand
flat oyster
frank sand
flat oyster
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so you'd use it on pull and then again on second add phase? like in Heroic? I noticed on normal the adds die so fast

frank sand
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and wdym you don't have it on add phase on this fight add phase is at 3-4 min

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so you could have used at pull and on 2 second pack at the latest

flat oyster
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aha ok

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I think perhaps the pulls before I didn't use ON pull

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I must have used it later, after a static field thing to make sure I wasn't the one who had to move

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and then it wasn't up for add phase

frank sand
flat oyster
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but noted, I'll try use it way more, right on the pull and then for 1st intermission

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and then I guess I can go again at 9 minutes

frank sand
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and using for static might be good if you strugle with mecanic

flat oyster
frank sand
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but that if you die else

flat oyster
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once I used boon and then i got the debuff

frank sand
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if you never die just use it on CD

flat oyster
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and fucked it

frank sand
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that can happen

flat oyster
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but yeah on pullI should have 10s of freedom

flat oyster
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?

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AH i see

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you mean to use dance at the 5cp

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rather than SS to fill the bar

frank sand
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if you have no proc use vanish > dance

flat oyster
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yea

frank sand
flat oyster
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working on it

frank sand
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take sub too

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unless you need step not to die

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or tank can't get aggro on adds

flat oyster
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I will, yeah. I really like step for getting away from stuff or eaasy behind boss when people don't drop puddles properly

frank sand
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not dying allways better

flat oyster
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it's because I pug everything

frank sand
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but if you have the leeway allways take sub

flat oyster
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so better to have tools I can use in a pinch

flat oyster
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much nicer to get extra ambushes out of vanish

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and increase chances of a proc

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I think after reset I will be able to take sub easily

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with that extra point

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I didn't use tricks anyway

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so I can drop it and keep step

frank sand
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ok i found your problem

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your not pressing your keys

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hard enough

flat oyster
frank sand
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you miss a lot of time between gcd

frank sand
flat oyster
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yeah I am working on that. Idk if it's my 20fps compounding the problem but really trying to improve on that

flat oyster
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So a lot

frank sand
flat oyster
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well I moved country, couldn't bring PC right away, have to ship it

frank sand
flat oyster
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so playing on a laptop

flat oyster
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I feel like any lower and I'd not have space on UI to see

frank sand
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i mean low setting*

flat oyster
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laptop screen onl 14"

flat oyster
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but I'll get my PC back in April

frank sand
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hmm never played on a bad pc before so idk how much does that impact you

flat oyster
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In the meantime I'll work on improving on my mistakes that you've pointed out

flat oyster
frank sand
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but are you pressing touch or taping them until spell go off ?

flat oyster
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tapping

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but, like, sometimes I PS right

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and it takes time for the shots to fire and CP bar to fill

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same with ambush it feels like there is a delay

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and so I sometimes feel like I'm waiting to see where it lands before pressing finisher or something

frank sand
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btw you should AR> RTB prepull seems like you do it after pull

flat oyster
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people attacking boss at 2s on timer

frank sand
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well not your fault

flat oyster
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I try to AR RTB at 2s and 1s respectively

frank sand
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i do it at 5 but idk if its good practice

flat oyster
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Yeah i was doing it at 5 before but felt like sometimes I was sitting on uptime for nothing

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I don't use pot so when I do I'll probably aim to start that at 3s

frank sand
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on the timeline its visible you dont use spell directly after refresh

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might be lag then

flat oyster
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I have to use mobile hotspot

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and laptop, so I know it's not the greatest setup

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I've made huge improvements though, my first VOTI logs were 20-30th percentile

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so I know I'm on the right track, really appreciate your inputs!

frank sand
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another thing when add spawn you should open with BF

flat oyster
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I hope wiwth your advice I can get to purple

flat oyster
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I was using vanish before the knock to platform to try get the CD rolling, but I noticed I'd be out of stealth when I got to add

frank sand
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no don't vanish before add

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keep it when you don't have procs

flat oyster
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yeah

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alright

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so adds pop up, THEN BF

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for the damage on cast?

frank sand
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use buzzing rune on weapon too

flat oyster
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I think I was pressing it as they were spawning and missing out on that damage

frank sand
flat oyster
frank sand
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y

flat oyster
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buzzing on both? I'll be honest I didn't sim for runes, just saw people talk about whetstones and decided that's what I needed

frank sand
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enchant boot/bracer/cloak

frank sand
flat oyster
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but I realise now maybe they were talking about trinket

frank sand
flat oyster
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that's embarassing

frank sand
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try to get crit/vers and drop as much mastery/haste gear

flat oyster
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I've had that cloak for ages how did I miss that

flat oyster
frank sand
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i think thats mostly it

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RTB prio seems respected

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at least on that pull

flat oyster
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thank you for all the advice!

flat oyster
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sometimes forget to roll away bad ones ike GM + BT

frank sand
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main point : BF refesh trinket usage spam harder and use BR more

flat oyster
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yeah, I've made notes xD

frank sand
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should account for 10 k easily

flat oyster
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DPS??

frank sand
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yes

flat oyster
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damn

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good news though hehe

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that I can get that much more

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You've been a huge help, merci beacoup

frank sand
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you are using 20 % less gcd

flat oyster
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20%%%%%!

frank sand
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so its 10 % alone

flat oyster
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oh god

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yeah

frank sand
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minimun

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trinket 3-7 k too

flat oyster
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yeah

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that's a lot holy balls

frank sand
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br is 1-2 k easy

flat oyster
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yeah, if I'm using 5 times less

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so wait for BR

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is it only in dead moments? like no Audacity or Opp?

frank sand
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BF is 1-7 K

frank sand
flat oyster
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or just that energy threshold even with opp up.

frank sand
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50-60 energy you pop it

flat oyster
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because it ccosts nothing it gives like a gcd of extra regen before next energy spend? is that right

frank sand
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it just smooth rotation

flat oyster
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yea

frank sand
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since you are not waiting for energy as much

flat oyster
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I see

frank sand
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r1 gain 500 more energy thx to that

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than u

flat oyster
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yeah ok, I see how that can make such a massive difference

frank sand
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thats 12 spell so 100-500 k damage

flat oyster
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because someitmes in sisniter strike valley, I a waiting for energy and takes forever

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makes sense

frank sand
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with better usage of vanish dance it should not happen as much but its hard to spot error about that

flat oyster
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yeah well when I make a mistake on those, I know right away

frank sand
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i can see if you are not using vanish dance enough but idk how to see if you are using it wrongly

flat oyster
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like I will dance and realise "fuck, I have 30 energy".. waste

frank sand
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but you have a lot of bad SS valey

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but it can be just bad luck

flat oyster
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vanish I am better with than at first, I use it as much as I can as soon as I see no audacity

flat oyster
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but that could also be msuse of vanish

frank sand
flat oyster
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well yes ideally

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but sometimes I use it on 3 pistol

frank sand
flat oyster
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FAQ says that's ok I think

frank sand
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ye don't

flat oyster
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alright

frank sand
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its really to get your proc chain going

flat oyster
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yeah

frank sand
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if you have a 3 pistol proc it could have given another opp

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and if you are at 3 you are allmost allways gonna hit 6 proc on dance and have to use it

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during dance

flat oyster
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yeah makes sense

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so better to use at 0 of both

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and spend the 3 stack rather than waste a vanish you might not even need

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fair enough

frank sand
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Shadow Dance
For HO builds, you use Dance at low combo points into Ambush. Audacity and Opportunity must not be active in order to use Dance, which means you may be delaying Dance for a long time, that is expected.

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it seems for vanish you can at 3 stacks

flat oyster
frank sand
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but idk if the dps gain compared to preventig as much bad luck as possible is

flat oyster
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why would you? You have 3 opp stacks, why not use them. worst case, if they don't proc you vanish after that

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if they do proc you can hold vanish for the next dead zone

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right?

frank sand
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i mean it should be true in theory but when you do a lot of mistake be worse

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do what you feel better on your end faq allways right 😄

frank sand
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so its less priority but still better to use it as much as possible overall

flat oyster
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so more overall uses

frank sand
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yes

flat oyster
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I see

frank sand
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and more overall ambushes

flat oyster
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can I ask, for log review

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how do you see all that stuff? I go to timeline, and only see ambush and direct damage spells

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can't see them on the same timeline as dance and vanish

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have to go to buffs and damage done separately

frank sand
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is that what u asked ?

flat oyster
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AHA

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yes

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"casts"

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much better

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I was wondering how on earth people were able to cross-reference two events so fast

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but this makes way more sense

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Just so I can review most of my own logs and look out for all the things you said going forward

frank sand
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i think in your case you should hold vanish even with 3 stack because you don't have as much CDR because you miss 20 % GCD

flat oyster
frank sand
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maybe get better on the other point first

flat oyster
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I defs need to figure out why I am screwing that up so bad

frank sand
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log a dummy fight

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and go look at your APM

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try to play as energeticly as possible

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if its still 90 APM it might be your PC prroblem

flat oyster
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ok

frank sand
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if you get more it mean you either are too slow or boss cause more lag

flat oyster
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is CPM same as APM in log?

frank sand
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y CPM i meant

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cast per min*

flat oyster
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yeah ok

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what do you get? on average?

frank sand
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well GL HF hit me up in 1-2 week to see if you need more improvmeent

frank sand
flat oyster
frank sand
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117 first boss

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95 last boss

flat oyster
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I only started playing HO on saturday, so it's all a lot of information I had to absorb but I definitely vibe with it much more than KiR. I sucked at KiR

frank sand
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got that problem too on last boss it seems

frank sand
flat oyster
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or does it exclude the downtime

frank sand
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i played it well enough and when i just started ho and was playing horibly i got 6 k more anyway

flat oyster
frank sand
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so no :p

flat oyster
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ah ok, fair enough

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thanks a lot mate, really appreciate all the advice and the review