#ThatUnfluffyPanda - Log Review
quick condor
wooden urchin
^terros mythic and this is rag heroic:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WdrMbP94nX2kLHTR#fight=32&type=damage-done
Not sure if I'm missing something simple or CD timings, hoping I can address the inconsistency.
wanton monolith
lets see
it's difficult to see fight related things, at best i can spy rotation issues
wooden urchin
any and all help and insight is beyond appreciated.
wanton monolith
it looks like you are using sinister strike while fan the hammer is already active a lot
wooden urchin
from the first or second link?
wanton monolith
the first terros link
this build should use fan the hammer immediately as long as audacity is not active and you are below 6cp
you may be at like 5cp with fan the hammer active and thinking i need to ss > finisher
when it is worth to just pistol shot at 5
wooden urchin
didn't know that part.
wanton monolith
that global too important to proc audacity
combo point efficiency less strict
if you were at 6cp with fan the hammer then you can finish > ps (or ambush)
seeing you use finishers at 5cp, 4cp, sometimes
wooden urchin
yea, i for sure do that currently
wanton monolith
should always finish at 6cp or higher
wooden urchin
or higher? isn't 6 our cap w/ deeper?
wanton monolith
it's 7 with double deeper
wooden urchin
is it better to just not use it or run blade rush?
wanton monolith
it's better than using dreadblades
dreadblades takes away average ambush/pistol shot casts in favor of dispatches which is not actually that good here
so to get to fan the hammer you have to take KS or precise cuts and precise cuts does nothing on single target
wooden urchin
what about blade rush for energy regen or just not worth at all?
i gotcha
so it's just mega low prio but still pressable
wanton monolith
blade rush is sometimes worth on single target, it's something raidbots can evaluate
wooden urchin
gotcha
wanton monolith
if you do use blade rush then it is not quite as "last resort" as KS
you use it at 50% energy or so which is fairly often
wooden urchin
so really just making sure im not wasting fan the hammer and only finishing at 6+
wanton monolith
so far ye
a couple globals you are pressing sinister strike while audacity is active
wooden urchin
was there any good info on ambidext or riposte? I saw some top parses using it, but not sure it's exact value.
wanton monolith
if audacity is active then ambush is the highest priority cp builder
wooden urchin
I know my gear is more mastery heavy too whcih I can probably fix.
wanton monolith
on terros? both of those talents do nothing
there is a different build that uses riposte so it can get to improved between the eyes, but riposte itself is nearly useless
wooden urchin
maybe i was looking at ras/sennarth
yea thats been my understanding, was surprised to see it
wanton monolith
i would change your build a bit for raid
the lack of subterfuge is not huge but perhaps unusual unless you really really need step, which is not a thing for terros at least
wooden urchin
i swore I saw it somewhere, but not seeing it 100%, and yea I've always wondered about those 2 talents.
I like having tricks/step, but wasn't certain the dps loss/benefit. It's less ambushes right?
wanton monolith
maybe looking at keys, it is more common to use tricks + step for keys
wooden urchin
yea
wanton monolith
yea subterfuge is about 2% gain
wooden urchin
im definitely more sin/law for keys so that's where my mind plays, but seeing majority of the top mythic voti kills being outlaw working that way towards it
oof
that's probably part of my issue then for sure.
I'll have to try it
like you said as well, especially for terros
working on sennarth tomorrow.
how relevant do you think the stat weights are?
wanton monolith
not relevant, stats are fine
unless you had 4000 haste i wouldnt have said anything
wooden urchin
some rogues I competed with would blame my 3k to their 1.5k mastery being why I parsed better
wanton monolith
that is unusual, people tend to think mastery is bad for outlaw
wooden urchin
im at 6% haste after equipping the cowl, tier sholders and chest.
wanton monolith
but it is decent, especially at higher target counts
wanton monolith
this is because blade rush and blade flurry initial global can proc main gauche on all mobs they hit
wanton monolith
so on pull i notice a few things
your torch trinket should be used after the target is marked by between the eyes
wooden urchin
im so trash with the trinkets this tier, so many castables and timing.
wooden urchin
your torch trinket should be used after the target is marked by between the eyes
im not seeing in that faq, is there info on trinket usage anywhere I'm just overlooking? Or is it obviously because of what Bte does that I should use torch after vs whetstone?
wanton monolith
it is not written in the faq, but all damage trinkets benefit from between the eyes (and ghostly strike/find weakness)
find weakness only matters for the Whetstone but yea
another thing is all these sinister strikes again
but shadow dance is off cooldown
wooden urchin
thoughts on puzzlebox? I see everyone cheering for it, just feels weird with the agi/mastery.
wanton monolith
it's pretty good, again with mastery gaining value in aoe
manic/whetstone is ideal for terros
wooden urchin
i forgot to equip my cobalt ring, oops
that was my ST sim I was using going into it last night
wanton monolith
looks normal to me
so there is definitely a habit of dance being ready but not being aware of when it can be used
if audacity isnt active and you have 0 stacks of fan the hammer, then it's time to dance (or vanish)
sometimes it may happen shortly after the pull or something it takes a while
and yes it does feel like you're hitting killing spree a bit too often
couple of casts were at high energy
wooden urchin
so I should be using dance smaller vs on cd?
wanton monolith
well, it doesnt feel like you're hitting it on cd
wooden urchin
yea, I was trying to use KS where it was safe over efficient for sure
wanton monolith
your usage feels a bit random
wooden urchin
could that be to rng/procs of HO?
wanton monolith
sorry i didn't explain this well. there's times dance is off cooldown, but you are hitting sinister strike because you dont have procs
that means it was time to dance, not use sinister strike
you should hold dance for as soon as you dont have procs, not use sinister strike a bit and then dance
you feel me
wooden urchin
use SS as little as possible essentially
wanton monolith
yep
wooden urchin
because if dance is up I can be ambushing
I've definitely had some luls where i felt like...
"well I'm running on empty now"
wanton monolith
sometimes it happens and you have nothing
wooden urchin
if it happens it happens, good to know
wanton monolith
that is about everything that sticks out to me
unfortunately i know nothing about sin rogue so i cant help in that department
wooden urchin
no worries there at all haha
I appreciate the information and insight, I think it's a lot I can work on. 🙂
wanton monolith
wooden urchin
did you see anything on council by chance or any blind suggestions to that fight? Went from 97 on eragno to 72 on council