#Tarinare log review
alpine jasper
Yeah Terros was before my friend reviewed my whole opener sequence
hollow quest
Ahh
You also had a big gap in uptime after that rupture
I'd pull up the opener from the pins and either keep it open on your 2nd monitor or make a static WA that just shows the order to press your buttons
unkempt path
Few things on the kurog kill:
Your casts are a bit off vanish 3 times in 8 minutes, etc.
And you’ve a bit of waste on your combo points
hollow quest
Need to get that to muscle memory
rare bobcat
so I notice this with a lot of players, especially when they're playing a spec that they're new at or not comfortable on
where you start slappin buttons and whatever goes off goes off
alpine jasper
I have anxiety, sadly not new to assa 
alpine jasper
ty
hollow quest
It's a lot of buttons compared to what it was
rare bobcat
the sin opener is a lot more complicated than it used to be
but it's always gonna be the same with your build
alpine jasper
I miss vendetta
rare bobcat
so think of it like learning to play a song on the piano or some other instrument
just get the muscle memory down
hollow quest
Yeah I see you using random fok or kicks
rare bobcat
so those first 10 globals or so are just second nature
hollow quest
In some logs
alpine jasper
what about builds with no bone spike, do I just mutilate?
rare bobcat
bone spike is very strong, i wouldn't recommend dropping it
alpine jasper
Yeah I see you using random fok or kicks
kicks are my fault - if they're on like Terros I mispressed. I have kick right next to mutilate.
hollow quest
Yeah makes perfect sense
rare bobcat
but I tihnk you'd benefit more from philosophical changes in how you play and not hyper fixate on specific rotational mistakes
exotic sail
Keep in mind
hollow quest
For what it's worth I repositioned a lot of my keybinds this expac due to how many buttons we gained
hollow quest
To make that opener easier to press
alpine jasper
Yeah several builds on subcreation remove bone spike so I'm a bit confused there
hollow quest
Probably IC builds?
rare bobcat
the days of spamming a key to catch the instant the next global is available are kind of gone. you don't want to be sitting around doing nothing but you don't need to freak out about what to press next
hollow quest
For m+
alpine jasper
I'll check my builds
rare bobcat
once your opener is kind of burned into your fingers, the class starts to follow a lot of the same patterns throughout a fight
hollow quest
wont make u have bad logs
Idk I think his opening is so off that it's representative of a root misunderstanding of a lot of the spells
hollow quest
Like deathmark with no rupture up
rare bobcat
@alpine jasper do you have a picture of your UI?
rare bobcat
no worries i just suspect there's probably some improvements that could help
but i'm just guessing
so like on the terros log
when I look at your casts vs what's going on in the fight
it seems like you're not really comfortable with what's going on outside of your rotation
like that 6 seconds of downtime in the opener lines up with that first soak and pillar spawn
and the replay looks like you're kinda freakin out when that happens
it's hard to play your rotation perfectly when you're not really comforabtle with the flow of the fight
hollow quest
Second that
What helped me was using the weak aura that turns bigwigs into a timeline
I put it right next to my abilities weakaura
rare bobcat
What helped me was using the weak aura that turns bigwigs into a timeline
been using that since BoD
love the timeline
alpine jasper
I only use the general WA for the raid
rare bobcat
but basically you should know what's coming up next way before your raid lead is calling out a mechanic
that's what sets good players apart from the average imo
hollow quest
Yup you need to have a plan
alpine jasper
Don't have bigwigs - and I'm the assist, so I generally call them out
rare bobcat
oh calling fights from melee is miserable
hollow quest
You're gonna get taxed hard if you're calling
rare bobcat
you're always gonna play bad
hollow quest
Makes a lot of sense
unkempt path
Sorry @alpine jasper long ask because work is miserable sometimes.
One thing I’d recommend is changing to the basic DTB build instead of timing Exsang
rare bobcat
I took a 20-30% performance hit when I called fights in Castle Nathria
on every fight
hollow quest
Doesn't mean you can't improve its just going to be harder
rare bobcat
he didn't play exang on his recent terros kill, but I agree that dropping exang is good
even if it was a minor dps loss, simplifying down the buttons for now will help
unkempt path
I was looking at the kurog kill 
alpine jasper
I have different builds for different bosses, but I'm making it a bit too complicated for myself I guess
unkempt path
Sometimes the best thing to do is KISS (keep it simple, stupid!) especially while learning
alpine jasper
Sorry <@207248660843593739> long ask because work is miserable sometimes.
One th...
Where can I find it?
rare bobcat
I don't change my assas build in raid. just play outlaw on council and keep everthing else pure ST for now
unkempt path
In the sim I linked or let me get the code rq
rare bobcat
unkempt path
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alpine jasper
ty
rare bobcat
so this is that terros kill i was talkin about earlier. looks pretty okay right now but you can see rock blast is just starting to get cast
unkempt path
But also calling while playing rogue is difficult, I’ve played for a bit and calling still fucks with me.
I can’t say I’d recommend doing it.
Luckily I very lightly have to do it this tier
rare bobcat
by the end of the cast it looks like you're running out to the right but turning away from the boss. this lines up with those 6 seconds of downtime
alpine jasper
I have been called out - I'm a mouse mover.
rare bobcat
so just generally, i'd make sure you have DBM or BigWigs installed and get the fight timers so you know what's coming next and can plan your movement around it
unkempt path
I have been called out - I'm a mouse mover.
Wanna know a secret? I am too 
rare bobcat
mouse moving is fine
hollow quest
I mix mouse moving with strafing
rare bobcat
but your back was to the boss for about 2 seconds
alpine jasper
so just generally, i'd make sure you have DBM or BigWigs installed and get the f...
I have both DBM and the weakaura for tactics
hollow quest
I raid called in nathria on spriest and I really struggled until I started customizing bigwigs on a per fight basis
It's like taking notes in school
Once you fiddle with it yourself you commit it to memory a lot better
alpine jasper
Aw man school was hell
rare bobcat
but overall, i'd go smack a target dummy just doing your opener over and over
until it's burned into your brain
so you don't ever have to think about it
alpine jasper
So the one from the picture
hollow quest
Yep that will help a lot
rare bobcat
that gets you to a good starting point
I would use this one
with the no exang DTB build
fewest buttons will benefit you especially if you're calling fights
and it's basically the same dps as the other builds anywyas
hollow quest
If it makes you feel any better, I played Holy on sun king again in nathria, and I literally had my hotkeys written out in an ERT note
Because I had no muscle memory for the opener
You can't function if it's not 2nd nature
alpine jasper
I've been playing assa since BfA and I still suck at it 😄
rare bobcat
So what kind of things do you struggle with during the fight
that you're already aware of?
like are you dropping bleeds, using finishers at low combo points, don't know what to press
alpine jasper
I use hekili (I know, gross) so pressing is not really an issue - I guess I don't know what to rely on, back when I first started as a rogue I was sub and the rotation was sinister strike -> eviscerate...
Simplifying it, of course.
rare bobcat
I think hekili is only good for people that have never touched a spec before and need some general guidance on wtf is going on
it will only hold you back from improving after that
alpine jasper
I think I still need the wtf is going on part
I'm generally bad at paying attention to what is happenning
rare bobcat
the issue with hekili is that your brain is only going "button light up, i press button"
alpine jasper
I removed all CDs from it etc.
hollow quest
Agree with shmeeps
If you know that death mark doubles your bleeds
You're gonna be more likely to set up rupture before y9u send it
Understanding the interactions might help as you practice
alpine jasper
I do know that ._.
rare bobcat
when really it should be "opener is finished, going to be just mutilating/ambushing and envenoming for a few seconds. after my next envenom I probably need to refresh rupture, then garrote after. maybe i can squeeze in a mutilate before garrote pandemic. bone spike and shiv are going to cap in about 10 seconds but there's some heavy movement coming up so I'll use those both soon so i don't need to worry about them when that mechanic comes"
hollow quest
Ahh well then I think it just comes back to the practice thing
rare bobcat
and i'm sure that's overwhelming as fuck
rare bobcat
but basically once you take the hekili training wheels off, your brain will start to adjust to that kind of thinking automatically
alpine jasper
If I fully focus on what I have to press when, I'll completely forget to focus on mechanics, for instance.
rare bobcat
yeah i mean for a while you're gonna pick one and mess up the other
that's SUPER normal
hollow quest
But yeah that's why we keep coming back to forcing the opener into memory
rare bobcat
i'm sure you've seen 1000 arcane mages eath a raszegath beam to the face
hollow quest
So you can have less mental stack for mechanics
alpine jasper
I've been playing for 12 years though, I shouldn't suck this bad.
rare bobcat
because they're min maxing their opener
well practice makes permeneant
so if you've only been practicing wrong, you're not gonna improve
rare bobcat
outlaw 
hollow quest
IC/CT for me
rare bobcat
outlaw will do pretty good AoE whether you play it good or bad
IC/CT is just more cognative load that I don't htink will help you much while you're working on your ST rotation
alpine jasper
I do have IC in my aoe build but idk what the rest of that build is supposed to look like
hasty hamlet
Honestly sin aoe isnt that bad. Better to master 1 spec than 2 imo if youre overloaded
rare bobcat
tbh i wouldn't worry about AoE until you bolt down your ST
hollow quest
Agree with shmeeps again
rare bobcat
becasuse a lot of the assas AoE relies on the single target rotation
alpine jasper
I still run M+ and Council, though. And getting swords for Outlaw would be such a pain
rare bobcat
or similar principles at least
well i just mean don't worry about improving it all at once
just do what you're doin on AoE
and focus on practicing ST
until it's really comfy
then work on improving AoE
alpine jasper
Alright, maybe I'm overdoing it a bit
rare bobcat
yeah, big fan of baby steps
hollow quest
Yeah breaking it down to one thing at a time will help
alpine jasper
Thank you my fellow hidey fellows
rare bobcat
ripping the hekili bandaid off will do you the most good
hasty hamlet
I love rogue discord. Yall are good peeps and giving great advice
rare bobcat
but will also feel the worst in the short term
alpine jasper
I wish I didn't have to rely on it
hollow quest
Just go sit at a target dummy for a few sessions at a time
Whatever you can focus on
alpine jasper
thank you
alpine jasper
rare bobcat
I could hop into a normal raid and explain my thought process during the fight if you want. don't know how helpful it'll be but will at least give you an idea of the kind of stuff to look out for
kinda don't wanna do day 1 spiteful keys... gotta give people a couple of days to remember to not get smacked by adds
alpine jasper
I could hop into a normal raid and explain my thought process during the fight i...
That would be awesome, my partner is sleeping and it's 0:38 am though
rare bobcat
oh yeah EU hours 
alpine jasper
Is crossplay between EU and US even possible?
alpine jasper
oh wow that sucks
hollow quest
Not sure though
You can't play crossrealm to the other regions at least
Except NA plays with OCE and SA
rare bobcat
no I was just gonna stream it
alpine jasper
This is my UI if it's still relevant
rare bobcat
I'm a pretty big fan of having your unit frames in the center for self and target
and using a weak aura pack for spells make s for some better trackign and visibility
especially with bleeds
ignore the peepos
rare bobcat
yeah lol the juice box is crimson vial, the turtle is evasion, the one with the blankie is cloak