#^HyPer - Log Review

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hasty veldtBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

ripe grail
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hello 😄 , was my first first time assa on a st bossfight. i'm pretty sure my opener had some issues

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and i think i didn't use enough vanish

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but appreciate any helps

sterile cargo
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You dont cast SnD until 13 seconds into the fight
You opened with ambush vs garrote
You wasted almost 4 envenoms worth of combo points
You didnt vanish in your opener to reapply improved garote

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these are just some things i got from a quick look

ripe grail
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yeah i have some problems with my opener :((

sterile cargo
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practice on a dummy

ripe grail
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so i open with garrote, no ambush ?

sterile cargo
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improved garrote is talented so yes

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increases garrote dmg by 50% leaveing stealth and 3 seconds after stealth

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so its your CP generator for your first 2 casts

ripe grail
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holy shit

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i suck

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50% 😮

sterile cargo
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xD

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if its your first time

ripe grail
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bro i was like why is my dps so low xD

sterile cargo
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how are you supposed to know

ripe grail
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i had no idea

sterile cargo
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its all about learning

ripe grail
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can u explain the opening ?

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i know it's on faq

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but i get confuse by images lol

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text is pretty understandable

sterile cargo
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i would pry sim to see what your dps is like if you drop a zoldycks point and put it in shrouded suff

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shrouded suffocation gives rupture a flat 20% buff

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and makes it generate 2 extra cps out of stealth

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not rupture

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soprry garrote

ripe grail
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imma be honest

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i have no idea what you talking about

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xD

sterile cargo
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haha

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one sec

ripe grail
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what is shrouded suff ?

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oh i see

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it's a talent

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i copied the talent from FAQ

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DTB

sterile cargo
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scuffed paint job

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but you take one point out of the left talent

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and put it in the talent next to bone spike

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omg im high

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sprry

ripe grail
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:d nps

sterile cargo
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there edited it

ripe grail
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so i understand what you saying, but why this isn't explain in faq ?

sterile cargo
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i mean you shuld sim it realistically

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but zoldycks is our execute

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so if you drop 1 pt its whatevs

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but still sim

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anyways i say this because

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the 2 extra combo points for garrote let you open with garrote into 3CP SND

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which then as you envenom you increase the duration

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^Cut to the chase is the talent that lets you do this

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So opener with shrouded suff
Garrote -> SnD -> garrote -> rupture -> ER -> Rupture -> Vanish -> garrotee -> Exsang -> DM

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then SBS into Envenom spams

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and reapply bleeds when the exsanged verssion runs out

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if you dont play exsang

ripe grail
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if i'm not playing with Exsang, i just use deathmark ye ?

sterile cargo
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yea

ripe grail
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trying to find what does DM Mean

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lol

sterile cargo
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Garrote -> SND -> garrote -> Rupture -> DM -> vanish -> garrote

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Deathmark

ripe grail
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oh ye ye

sterile cargo
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as long as you can open

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apply SnD right away

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and dont override empowered bleeds

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it will help alot

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and also

ripe grail
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hmm, is there some wa or smth for improved garrote and stuff

sterile cargo
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forcing empowered garrote longer off opner from vanish

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and pandemic

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I beliefe i use Afenar

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and when its imporved its green

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like highlighted green

ripe grail
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using afenar too

sterile cargo
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on his WA

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i think i am anyways

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im not home

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so i cant check

ripe grail
sterile cargo
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yeye

ripe grail
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think it's not updated or smth

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or i'm just blind ?

sterile cargo
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shuld highlight green

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when empowered

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oh is that empowered

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ill have to look when i get home sorry >_>

ripe grail
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yeah all good mate, you helping me a lot 😄

sterile cargo
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i know it highlight gren

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just not sure which WA

ripe grail
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and when do i use shiv ? off cooldown when dots are used ? or only for improved garrote or smth

sterile cargo
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on cd

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after opener

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unless you have kingsbane

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then save it for kingsbane

ripe grail
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don't have kingssbane in my talents

sterile cargo
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i mean if youo eventually do get it

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4pc KB

ripe grail
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so what if i used my everything

sterile cargo
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im simming higher then DTB

ripe grail
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like garrote > snd > garrote > rupture > DM > vanish > garrote > shiv > tea

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this will be rotation right ?

sterile cargo
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sbs

ripe grail
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and after this, do i just save shiv ?

sterile cargo
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but yea

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just use envenom on your empowered cps

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and then stack up cps to max -1 and use finihser

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always finish on 5 or 6

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never use a generator on 5

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nio

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use shiv on CD always after this

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youre a poison build

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so use shiv

ripe grail
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is it fine if i'm on 5 cp and use shiv and envenom

sterile cargo
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doesnt necessairly matter when just use it so its on cd

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if shiv crits you still lose a CP so generally not advicsed AFAIK

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but to say i dont do it sometiems

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id be lying

ripe grail
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😄

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and btw, is all the poison damage same ?

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like Instant Poison , Deadly Poison , Amp poison

sterile cargo
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no

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Deadly poison is instant poison but with a dot effect

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youll never use instant as sin

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If you spec into amp you always apply amp

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and DTB you apply amp and deadly

ripe grail
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oh okay

sterile cargo
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i know ive said it like 5 times

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but just sim the different builds because depending on your gear exsang is generally a dps increase

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but if you dont wana deal with it

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its like 200 dps

ripe grail
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i mean, i'm new af on sin, learning still

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i tried the kingsbane

sterile cargo
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true

ripe grail
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it was a bit weird

sterile cargo
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yea stick to DTB until you get the jist of it

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youre right

ripe grail
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feels like i only did damage on my cds

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dtb was just chilling, refreshing dots and stuff

sterile cargo
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2pc DTB is much stronger

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also

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pretty sure you want to use buzzing runes

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its crit

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over sharpening stones

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if you can anyways

ripe grail
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well i mainly play outlaw

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does that work on swords too ?

sterile cargo
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ahhh

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yes

ripe grail
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i had only sharpening on my bags

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is it better ?

sterile cargo
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its fine

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just pointing out some other things i see

ripe grail
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true true

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and btw

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i don't understand why i don't ambush on opener

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free cp

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and we can still use our improved garrote

sterile cargo
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2 garrotes

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= pandemic extension

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vs 2

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vs 1

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also its just want the sim says im guessing

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but

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you get 3 CPS with garrote out of stealth

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when you spec into shrouded suffocation

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which you didnt

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but it may be better thats why i mentioned it earlier

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so it may be ebtter to ambush without that talent

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i just dont play without it

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so IDK

ripe grail
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hmm, gotta revivew some logs about this shrouded suff

sterile cargo
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only thing i can think of

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is since your poison build no need to take 20% buff on garrote?

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but there are instances of DTB that take that talent pretty sure

ripe grail
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guess i gotta just ask this question on sin channel 😄

sterile cargo
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they gonna tell you to sim it pry

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😛

ripe grail
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we both know that

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but we give it a shot

sterile cargo
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lol

ripe grail
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sry for asking this question thousand times xD i didn't still understand when do i want to use my sbs on my opener

sterile cargo
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i generally use it after DM

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o

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so

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like DM into SBS

ripe grail
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so garrote > snd > garrote > rupture > DM > sbs > vanish > garrote > shiv > tea

sterile cargo
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can be before or after the vanish garrote

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realistically

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whatever is more comfortable

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pry better before but im sure its marginal

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ewll

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FAQ has it right after garrote

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so as your first out of stealth cast

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so its pry more correct then i am

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^i mean like

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Garrote -> SBS -> SND ->

ripe grail
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oh okay

sterile cargo
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So this is why you dont ambush in opener

ripe grail
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i'm noting :d

sterile cargo
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because it would be Garrote -> SBS -> SND -> mut -> rupture

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i still mess up plenty it seems

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so im learning as well LOL

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i mean

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we are talking pry like 500 dps difference

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in the entire fight

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if you misorder these

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so its not life or death

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just wana make sure you get the big things done

ripe grail
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shroud talent feels like good on opener, make your burst much more, till u get vanish again

sterile cargo
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yea i like shroud

ripe grail
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i was smashing some button on outlaw xd

sterile cargo
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yea def

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like tea makes pooling less of a thing

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but there are times where you still want to pool

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its hard to implement that into brain after playing outlaw smash

ripe grail
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True 😄

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so , is there any other issue you saw on my log that i gotta fix it ?

sterile cargo
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i mean if you play it more youll learn the small in and outs. Nothing super glaring other then what i posted in beginning. Just use vanish for garrote you vanished ambush which im sure its just an outlaw habit

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once you get the opener down

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its kind of smooth sailing

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keeping dots up

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and just making sure you dont waste combo points

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or finish on the wrong CPs

ripe grail
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i see , thanks. and someone said for more cleave u want the shrouded talent. not sure if he's right tho

sterile cargo
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i mean he pry is, but id sim it

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but shrouded doesnt give the 50% dmg buff from stealth

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thats why you vanish into garrote

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a different talent does this that you do have

ripe grail
sterile cargo
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no

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shrouded gives 20% static buff

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and 2 cps from stealth

ripe grail
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oh it's when you break

sterile cargo
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improved garrote i think is the talent actually

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its a 50% dmg buff from stealth and usable for 3 secs after stealth breaks

ripe grail
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yeah i gotta learn the talents name

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i'm suck at these names atm

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xD

sterile cargo
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theres a search feature in the new talent tree

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you can type the ability it applys to

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itll highlight all the nodes that interact with said ability

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like typing garrote should highlight talents that itneract with it

ripe grail
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yeah saw it, pretty pog

sterile cargo
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for being your first sin fight you did fine

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polish up a little and youll be cruisin

ripe grail
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i'll try my best

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will be back around few tries on some bosses. see how it goes 😄

sterile cargo
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goodluck

ripe grail
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cya around another week, if you review my log again 😄

sterile cargo
ripe grail
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seems sins are good ppl , even that you have ho icon

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dropped my log yesterday. still no reviews

sterile cargo
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haha

ripe grail
sterile cargo
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i play HO in mythic plus

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and council

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i enjoy it

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ill carry its symbol

ripe grail
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feels amazing

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i don't even wanna touch SIN IN M+

sterile cargo
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yea i enjoy sin in mythic plus also

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but it requires way more thinking then just hitting blade flurry

ripe grail
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how ? don't you just dot mobs

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feels

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weird ?

sterile cargo
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yea but we have a talent that dots all the mobs

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45 sec CD

ripe grail
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ah well, that makes sense

sterile cargo
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applys garrote and rupture up to 8 targets

ripe grail
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sheesh, both dots on 8 targets

sterile cargo
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yea

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indisciminate carnage

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its the lower right keystone

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in sin tree

ripe grail
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yeah saw it

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interesting

sterile cargo
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the name of the talent is pretty cool to

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xD

ripe grail
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i couldn't even read the indisciminate, since i'm trash on eng

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but carnage is cool af

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aight man, was nice to talk with ya. gotta get some sleep

sterile cargo
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enjoy have a good night

ripe grail
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thanks for coaching a newbie like me

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must've been hard

sterile cargo
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nah

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i learned as well

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🙂

ripe grail
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besad good lie if you ask me, i feel good now

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thanks , have a good night