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spiral plankBOT Jan 5, 2023, 12:06 AM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

pastel aurora Jan 5, 2023, 12:07 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Aw9PC1V4HJMWbryk

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any and all help would be greatly appreciated on the fights i played sub

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 7:44 AM

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Hey everyone, I know there’s some back up, hoping someone might be able to take a peek! Thanks again.

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Aw9PC1V4HJMWbryk

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:09 AM

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are you sure you are in the correct channel, all fights you played on sub (what is a very small amount) are on fights you either just aoe or that are highly impacted by aoe

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but ill take a quick peek at prime council.
In the opener you probably can only use 2 ruptures while grouping

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if we talk about ideal, and this goes into more the min-max idea

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tornado would be used before dance

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so tornado-/shortly before first tornado tick Shadow Dance - Finishers

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during dance you would still use shadow strike

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for premeditation

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so dance-strike-bp-storm-secret or dance-storm-bp-strike-secret is prefered

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it also gives you the option to easy keep up snd

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this is a result of bad positioning

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i assume

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4 casts of rupture are not worth it for finality, it should waste to much finisher damage

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its easy to point out, but this was not good

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you can cos most things on the fight and step/vanish-strike can be tools for uptime too

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and while we are on it, you did not use vanish at all

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:24 AM

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Yeah I think I might have been just like panic clicking and not paying attention to targets that had rupture on them alrdy

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I make that same mistake in big m+ pulls too

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Might try to make my player bars a little bigger and see if that helps

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:25 AM

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neither of your mistakes is gigantic

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more things you can get a little more dps from

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its basically subtlety

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we have a fairly simple/solid foundation but a lot of little tricks to push your dps slightly

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:27 AM

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For the tornado dance, am I actually able to squeeze in a strike at the start of the dance? Or are you saying at the end of it after the tornado is over

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:27 AM

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oh

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tornado is a bit complicated

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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Yeah I’m like in a full on panic that I’m not going to get a finisher in between each one

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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i think it is usually better to just use tornado otuside of dance and bp spam

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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Okay that’s fair

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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thats because how hectic it is

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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Makes sense

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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pressing multiple finishers

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and also using dance just at the exact time

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e.g. if you look at the aoe opener in the faq

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i did the short clip

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i had do practice it for quite a bit before getting it working

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it just is so many key presses at the same time and exact timing

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i honestly am not sure anyone would do it

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the reason tornado into dance is played is

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that you basically can get all of the tornado ticks into shadow dance

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while not losing one gcd during dance

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:30 AM

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Is it only during shadowblades that the dance goes: dance, gb, evis, strike, stech

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I feel like outside of it to hit 5+ combo points I need to go dance, gb, strike, evis, strike stech

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Sometimes I try to get myself to like 2-3cp with a gb before the dance outside of shadowblades

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:32 AM

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oh no

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you don't need to gb

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you use strike for premed

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:32 AM

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fiery knot while not losing one gcd during dance

Probably too small brains for me

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:32 AM

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its not that

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it just is a easy source of error

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and if you look at top mythic plus runners

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:32 AM

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No gb in dance?

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:32 AM

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they also usually storm outside of dance and bp spam

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we talk about 4 target cleave

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or?

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:33 AM

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Side note, I’m LOVING sub in keys this week

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:33 AM

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you can still gb in dance

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if you land on 4 or 5 combo points

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but

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:34 AM

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Oooo okay, so cleave like council no gb in dance, but in st very much so

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:34 AM

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you rly want to use strike

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strike gives you 5 cp

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so you likely end up on 6+

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also it gives/refreshes you snd

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snd is still relevant

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:34 AM

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So that first global should always be strike inside dance on. Leave to get premed up

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:34 AM

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either first or 3rd

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strike-evi-storm-secret

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or

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storm-evi-strike-secret

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ofc

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:35 AM

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No dps diff between those two?

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:35 AM

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in both cases, if you end up on 4 or 5 cp

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you can gb

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:35 AM

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Okay that makes sense

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:35 AM

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if we want to dive a bit deepr

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and go into "no dps loss"

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storm ideally if you don't have FW up

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first

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because silent storm guarantees the crit

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:36 AM

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Should I always try to get above 5 in dance, I thought I read for aoe it could be 5

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:36 AM

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and fw during dance is super strong

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so if you want to be super secure

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easiest way is to just

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storm-bp-strike-(gb if on 5)-secret

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the gb is optional, it would be fine to just finish secrte too, the diffrence in output is not extreme

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premeditation is the important thing

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:37 AM

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Gives an extra stack though

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Which is nice

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:37 AM

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getting snd up and similar combo points is rly valuable

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and you get a extra stack on top

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well yes

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but gb unlike strike

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has a bit more drawbacks

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strike brings you to finishing points

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so if you strike-bp-storm-secret

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you always end up finishing high cp

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gb does mean one less gcd

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so you lose a finisher in dance

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storm-bp (x4)

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vs. storm(3)-gb(1)-strike(1)-bp(3)

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it is a bit of a game of trade offs

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:39 AM

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Yeh that’s true.

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I’m still working on getting comfy back on rogue but it’s fun learning at the same time

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Im starting to get the hang of it a little more since I’m running keys as sub this week. I’ll probably try to do some more sub fights next week as well

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:42 AM

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i hope subtlety is logical

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:43 AM

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It def is.

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:43 AM

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it is for me, but i am not always sure if things click or make sense from the explenations provided in faq/guides

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:43 AM

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Now is just learning the little tricks and nuances

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:44 AM

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yes, that is my idea

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i think the execution might be not perfect but i work on it

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things should be simple to start out, but i want to allow you and others to know what to do when squeezing the lemon a bit more

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:45 AM

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Do you play sub exclusively?

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:45 AM

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yes, and no

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i do like it the most, and might be something obviouse because i do all the work on the simulations/etc

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i occacionally dip into the other 2 specs

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e.g. if you looked at the spreadsheet, i do simulations for all 3

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:47 AM

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I played sin all night on heroic raz, I was thinking of getting some sun pulls in though

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Felt like DM on shields 1/3 was too good to pass up

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:47 AM

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i do play on a less competitive level, so i am allowed to play whatever i want too. So i never feel forced to play something else if i don't feel it gvies me value

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i think subtlety is rly good on raz

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idk why people don't play it more

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:48 AM

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For sub are you just making sure you have a dance lined up for shield?

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:48 AM

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cooldowns align fairly well for the fight

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so you don't need to hold much

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one reason i think it is a good fit

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:49 AM

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I’m sure it obliterates the adds

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:49 AM

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it is useful on adds

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not saying assassination is not

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but most of the value of assassination is in the later stages of the fight

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:49 AM

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Eh mostly feels like fok and env spam fishing for pb procs lol

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On the adds

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Though I trolled myself on a few pulls with boon trinket 😂

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Well I’ll try not to take up any more of your time, but I really appreciate you taking the time to analyze some. Is it cool if I check back in maybe like after next week and see if we can find some improvements?

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Does this side convo stay somewhere so I can reference it later?

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:52 AM

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the channel auto archives after 3 days

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iirc

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but you can always find it and post in it again to bring it back

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or just open a new thread

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both is fine

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if you unachive, just ping me so i don't miss it

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:53 AM

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Okay cool. Thanks again!!!! G’night

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 8:54 AM

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good night (i am eu, so its 10 am for me)

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 8:59 AM

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Haha good morning!

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Oop I lied, one more thing

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Out of curiosity

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Opener

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After sectech, double vanish

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Trying to figure out the reasoning only because the way I visualize it, we can alrdy strike within dance, can you finish dance then do vanish strike evis vanish strike evis

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Maybe it gives a buff or something I’m not understanding

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 9:09 AM

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strike gets a 25% bonus from stealth

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and stealth is regular stealth and vanish

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vanish on its own has low value

pastel aurora Jan 6, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Ooooooooo okay

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That makes sense

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Thanks!!

fiery knot Jan 6, 2023, 9:13 AM

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also one thing to keep in mind

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uptime is always the important thing

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so vanish-teleport is more valuable

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if you can stay on the boss for longer or get to it faster

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