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burnt pondBOT Dec 28, 2022, 3:16 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:17 PM

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Having a look rn; on phone so bit rough to help perfectly

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:17 PM

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no worries - i am working so im just sort of doing this on the side

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:18 PM

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2 things so far

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:18 PM

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take your time - i appreciate the help

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:18 PM

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Ur opener

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IN DANCE U want to use gloomblade as first combo maker instead of strike for DM stack

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:18 PM

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yeah you’re doing the shadow dance rotation wrong

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so you’re losing a ton of sectec damage

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:18 PM

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Ur SecTec has to be 2nd finisher

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Not 4th

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This costs a lot

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mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:19 PM

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because of dance mcabre?

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:19 PM

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danse and you’re wasting cps by using ss first

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:20 PM

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That is an example of a better opener

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:20 PM

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this is great

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:21 PM

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also small optimization is that you should hold vanish for use during shd

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i saw you had a few that were just random vanishes

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:21 PM

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SHD?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:21 PM

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Ye either use vanish for the tp mobility or in dance for an empowered strik after sectec

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Shadow dance

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:21 PM

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shadow dance

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:21 PM

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ahh

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:21 PM

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itll get you an extra evis during dance

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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isnt shadow strike available during dance though?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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It is

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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i feel like thats a wasted vanish

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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not pre med shadow strike

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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ahh

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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No its not

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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free SnD

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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no its extra 2 cps

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:22 PM

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Well that and free cp's + evis

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:23 PM

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got it

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:23 PM

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Its legit a dmg increase

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To vanish strike after sectec

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In dance

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Or for the tp value

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:23 PM

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but if you need to tp on a fight you can hold

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but i dont think terros is one of those fights

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:23 PM

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Nop

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:24 PM

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i think you actively want to not tp to terros lol

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:24 PM

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U really dont LOL

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Ur dance rotation + opener fix

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Will easily booost u up the dmg meters

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:24 PM

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maybe not to the other sub rogue but it should be a lot closer

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:25 PM

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ok - so my takeaways here are my opener/timing of sectech, and vanish/SS post-sectech

limpid oxide Dec 28, 2022, 3:25 PM

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Also keep in mind that gear makes a big difference. I noticed the other Rogue used a pot for example

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Pot alone not massive but small things add up

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:25 PM

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yeah - completely slipped me because i was so worried about rotation

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i appreciate the help on this, all

limpid oxide Dec 28, 2022, 3:26 PM

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Yeah rotation more important. GL with raid

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:26 PM

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Ye rotation is ur biggest issue rn

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:26 PM

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10-4

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will hit the dummies during my conference calls this AM

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:26 PM

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other rogue also has whetstone, cracked trinket lol

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:27 PM

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Just this on repeat

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:27 PM

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i cant tell you for how many hours ive had that pulled up on my other screen

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:28 PM

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Besides the rupture

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Since u only do rupture when u need to refresh ofc

timber pecan Dec 28, 2022, 3:28 PM

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try to pandemic it too

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:29 PM

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definitely. once i get more comfortable with the rotation i feel like my blinders come off a little and im able to better monitor stuff like pandemic timing, etc.

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:30 PM

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Those are like small dps gain optimisations right

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Get the basics first

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:30 PM

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So when we press dance

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:30 PM

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Then we can optimise the min max

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:30 PM

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we shouldnt be pressing strike first

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:30 PM

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No u press gb for the DM stack and cp overcap

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:31 PM

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because im pre sure i have dance and strike macroed to auto strike when i press dance

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:31 PM

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That was pre DF ye

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:31 PM

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No longer case?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:31 PM

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Not on the ST opener

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:32 PM

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Interesting so was I losing about 6% on every single rotation then?

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by having strike macroed?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:32 PM

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I mean the DM stack for sectec

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Plus GB buff

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Can make quite the difference

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:32 PM

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Or does it matter when you use DM

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If I use it after the strike when pressing dance

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:32 PM

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U dont "use" danse macabre

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Its a passive

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U mean gloomblade?

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:33 PM

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yes

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If I gloomblade after the macro strike

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:33 PM

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No

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Cus strike will cap ur cp

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And with first dance u even overcap with ur first strike

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Reason u GB to not overcap

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:34 PM

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so by pressing dance then strike then GB then evis

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:34 PM

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Nk

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No

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:34 PM

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then into strike sectec

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:34 PM

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U dance > gloom > evis > strike > sectec macro > vanish strike

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:34 PM

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Ahh k, its those darn littles things

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Will have to unmacro it

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:35 PM

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feral yacht

Look hwre

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:35 PM

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Worth it to macro shadowstrike and symbols at all for the opener?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:35 PM

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Thats the opener

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No

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I mean u can

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But wouldnt recommend really

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:37 PM

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Like still have my normal button for symbols and strike

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:37 PM

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Just macro sectec with coldblood

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:37 PM

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but have my ss macro with symbols does it really hurt anything?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:37 PM

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And dance with gb

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And ur good

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:38 PM

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Whats the dance gb macro?

true cargo Dec 28, 2022, 3:38 PM

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CB is used right before sectec?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:38 PM

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Yes

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/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Gloomblade

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You can now macro Cold Blood with Secret Technique:
Example macro:yaml #showtooltip Secret Technique /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret TechniqueUse Secret Technique always during Shadow Dance, as your 2nd finishing move when playing with Danse Macabre.

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:39 PM

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this is a great macro

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:39 PM

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Ahh so you can macro SD and GB, I thought it was recommended but that makes things easier

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:39 PM

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Nah it is really nice to macro it

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For ST

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We can go more in depth

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And u switch gloomblade with shuriken storm IF u have the improved storm talent

formal echo Dec 28, 2022, 3:40 PM

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Is there a talent macro for that?

feral yacht Dec 28, 2022, 3:40 PM

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To guarantee the FW debuff too

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Probably

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Haven't made one tbh

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Since storm is most likely only used on opener

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To get FW

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Can still use it in rotation too

mental mason Dec 28, 2022, 3:44 PM

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thanks all for the discussion. i am logging in now to target dummy a little

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