Slicktrick - Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

rich rainBOT Dec 23, 2022, 4:50 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:50 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kh79NqcnW1vZpRbY#fight=45&type=casts&source=284&view=timeline

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:51 PM

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some obvious things, your rupture uptime could be higher

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slice and dice uptime is good 👍

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:52 PM

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does that count invuln intermission

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when boss is in mid?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:53 PM

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good question

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for the opener

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you want to rupture directly and then go into dance

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:55 PM

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does that add a stack of mcabre or sumth

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or is it just to get SD on cd

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:55 PM

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it is to get shadow dance on cd faster

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:56 PM

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ye i think normally i do that but i fucked up there

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my parse on it was trash so not sure if ppl r running blackpowder

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for the add phase

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r we still bping on 2 targets?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:56 PM

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for vanish

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you want to use vanish during dance

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after secret

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:56 PM

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ah

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:57 PM

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if you don't need it for a specific mechanic

tiny shell Dec 23, 2022, 4:57 PM

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serene palm you want to use vanish during dance

Why is this? (not to crash someone elses log thread)

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:57 PM

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it is simple

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due to the damage amps on shadow damage

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:57 PM

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ah i didnt pay attention to the APL, i guess it does do the vanishes within dance like u say

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:58 PM

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the vanish shadow strike is not worth it anymore

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:58 PM

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serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:58 PM

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vanish basically become spure utility with dm builds

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but

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we are min/maxers

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so when we think "oh wait it is not worth outside of dance"

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"what about inside"

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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wonder why first dance on raidbots has a shuriken

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with my current talents

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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thats because

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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100% crit on it

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?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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shuriken storm is worth it instead of gb

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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thats better than a gloom?

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ah

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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if you play with improved storm

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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buit only the first one

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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yes

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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cus its out of stealth right

tiny shell Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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Sorry if I'm being slow, but I still don't really get vanishing inside SD, what shadow damage buff does it give?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 4:59 PM

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dance applies 100% crit to it

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:00 PM

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tiny shell Sorry if I'm being slow, but I still don't really get vanishing inside SD, what ...

dance increases all dmg by 25%

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:00 PM

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tiny shell Sorry if I'm being slow, but I still don't really get vanishing inside SD, what ...

gloomblade is shadow damage

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basically

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the dmagae mps

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:00 PM

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serene palm dance applies 100% crit to it

why is it only the first dance that the sim shurikens though

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:00 PM

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make it so that gloomblade does similar amounts of damage to strike

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or more

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and gloomblade is actually stronger due to that

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but the 25% damage amp from stealth/vanish and premeditation proc

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make it worth to use during shadow dance

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:01 PM

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yeah its nice the extension on snd

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:01 PM

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it is a little optimization

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for like 0.5% dps

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and this is also one thing that i always suggest people to only do

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:02 PM

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for grimtotem hc specifically, am i supposed to run bp though?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:02 PM

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if they don't need the teleport

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Bp is worth it on 3+ targets

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so i guess technically no

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:03 PM

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why only 20 kills on hc logged

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lol

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for US and EU

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feels like a bug

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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no

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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when i filter for sub

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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subtlety is super underrated

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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0 entries

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lol

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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the thing is

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the fight is 2 target cleave or st

tiny shell Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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serene palm but the 25% damage amp from stealth/vanish and premeditation proc

Got it, I was under the impression that SD gave this buff

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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aren t most guilds clearing hc?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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subtlety is not the best on 2 targte cleave

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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only 20 parses total US and EU on grimtotem

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:04 PM

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tiny shell Got it, I was under the impression that SD gave this buff

only stealth/vanish gives the 25% buff

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mythic is still very early

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i hope we will see more ppl pick up subtlety

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as it is in general a strong spec

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:05 PM

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i pick whatever is strongest

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:05 PM

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i feel ike assassination is not that great in the raid

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:05 PM

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my sub st simming way higher

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:05 PM

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but people love assassination

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:05 PM

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3k higher

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cus sin is braindead

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put ur bleeds

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gg

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i know ppl that played sin in shadowlands when it was giga bad

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prior to sepulcher

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when sub was op

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:06 PM

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that contributes too, the execute is also quite insane

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:06 PM

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same as frostmages

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destro locks

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they have some braindead people 1 tricking them cus they cant play the harder spec

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:06 PM

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"when sin was bad"

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so

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not in cn

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and not in sanctum

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hmm

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what raid was that?

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:06 PM

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i coulda sworn sub was higher

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:06 PM

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very early cn

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:06 PM

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on those 2 tiers

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and nya

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too

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:07 PM

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basically SL was:
Castle nathria

sin was underuned
sub was bad
outlaw was okay

blizz buffed assassinaiton to be the only reasonable choise

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sanctum

sub looked like the best choice
sin/otulaw looked okay

blizz buffed domination charges massively and all 3 ended up doing about the same damage

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:08 PM

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yeah which tier sub was using that dbl legendary

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b4 pull shit

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i quit b4 that tier

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i think sod

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:09 PM

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sepulcha

sub was best the first 2 weeks due to eon
sin was technically simming higher but people hated the tier set and it did not sim significantly higher

outlaw got a lot of buffs and in the end was better than the other 2 always

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s4 and pre season

outlaw was way ahead of the other 2

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:10 PM

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well outlaw was better but some ppl still only play sin

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no matter what

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:11 PM

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oh yes

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:11 PM

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and sub in sepulcher was lit

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:11 PM

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but that makes sense

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:11 PM

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especially anduin

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keys

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etc.

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:11 PM

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assassination was for 5 years the best spec for raiding by a noticable margin

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it has the biggest folloing

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:11 PM

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damn perfecto went back to sin cus they have raz mythic at 8%

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:12 PM

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yes, execute damage

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sins execute is brutal

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:12 PM

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how can i sim dps as sim

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in execute

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:12 PM

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enemy=Fluffy_Pillow
enemy_fixed_health_percentage=20

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but you probably ened

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buff_uptime_timeline=0

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too

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unless it does not segfault now

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but you can look at my spreadsheet

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!fuu

rich rainBOT Dec 23, 2022, 5:13 PM

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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:13 PM

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it has a "only execute" sim

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but you basically get 20% more damage during execute

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so nothing other specs can compete with

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even if you do less baseline

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:14 PM

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damn

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kingsbane

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105k

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in execute

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sheeeeeeeeesh

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serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:14 PM

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to bad, it is not that great to play

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:14 PM

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does the regular sim count any execute?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:15 PM

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yes

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:15 PM

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regular sim sin

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ok

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:15 PM

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the boss hp get lower over the fight

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it is just that esp. duing progression

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execute phases are often longer

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:15 PM

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i love shamans being untouched but rogues dominating instanerf

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uh dk too

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:16 PM

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i mean the profiles are a bit outdated already

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:16 PM

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are they?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:16 PM

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the ones in my sheet are more op to date

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yes

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i created them before the nerfs

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but updated the sheet after nerfs

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:16 PM

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yeah but +100 dps

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for sub

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do we get a new spark next week

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:17 PM

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sub is on ~90k, sin on ~89k and outlaw on ~86k

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:17 PM

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some say we dont

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:17 PM

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so not a big change

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but sin is closer than it appears

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just needs diffrent talents and small changes to gear

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back to the log

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i feel like you did not use gb correct her

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:18 PM

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yeah i sometimes fuckup and do gb 2nd or 3rd

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whats the reason we gb first?

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and am i supposed to dump all combo points b4 dance

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:18 PM

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same ^^

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this one is ouchie

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:19 PM

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mechanics

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:19 PM

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losing close to a full dance

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:19 PM

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yeah i need to memorize

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phases

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he went to mid

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and became invulnr

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right when i danced

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i even facepalmed

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haha

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sadge

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serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:20 PM

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like in general

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:20 PM

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guess he phases at 50

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:20 PM

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it seems like you sometimes hold dance for a bit

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but then you make mistakes like the above

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for the 2 adds

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make sure you rupture on both

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(intermission)

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:21 PM

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how much dps diff does rupturing every1

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:21 PM

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vanish, we talked about

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:21 PM

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i honestly get lazy with managing rupture on multitarget

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:21 PM

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rupture does quite a bit of damage

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so it is good to do it

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(not during dance ofc)

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:21 PM

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it doesnt snapshot right

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:21 PM

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a lot of your damage

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losss

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was from inefficient dances

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:22 PM

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that 1 was

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i danced

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and had to run out the raid

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with mechanic

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i need to stare at bigwigs

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thats the diff between sin and sub

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u fuckup 1 dance as sub its gg parse

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:23 PM

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yes, thats true

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sub is more punishing

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sin you kind of can't make too much wrong

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:24 PM

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kinda like fire mage if u drop rune of power wrong time b4 mechanic forcing u to move

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i used to main fire

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started raiding as rogue in cata but hard to get in a good guild as a melee especially rogue

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most officers/gms steal the melee spots

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forcing trials to do range bullshit

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:25 PM

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well the game is sadly

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still ranged fav.

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i know some ppl always try to make a argument that it isn't

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but it is too easy to make melee suffer

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:31 PM

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my heroic raid has a billion melee

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mechanics r trash

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especially dumb DHs backflipping spreading sparks to every1 on dathea

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why do we gb b4 shadowstrike

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after dance?

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and we clearing points b4 every dance or can have 1-3?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:33 PM

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basically

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the first dance gives us 4 cp

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backstab/gb is used to preserve premeditation

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or storm if you run improved storm

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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ah

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so ill overcap

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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so bsically instead of wasting a lot of cp

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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with the first shadow

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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you backstab/storm

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then evi

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and can strike up to 5+ cp

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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ok what about the amount of points max to have b4 dancing

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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you start dance with 0 or 1

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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oh wow

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:34 PM

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tfd puts you on 4-5

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you backstab for 1-2

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(or gb/storm)

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:35 PM

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so always Dance--> GB-> evisc shadow-> secret?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:35 PM

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so you are on 7 cp usually

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yes you usually do the mentioned

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:35 PM

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so its ok to delay dance by gbing evisc to make sure im at 0-1?

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:35 PM

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storm/gb/bs -- evi -- strike -- secret(with cold blood)

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:35 PM

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or do i evisc with whatever i got

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and dance

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:36 PM

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you can delay it shortly

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:36 PM

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as soon as i get it back

serene palm Dec 23, 2022, 5:36 PM

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just not super long

teal wyvern Dec 23, 2022, 5:36 PM

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how bad r low combo eviscs

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