muscled guy log | Ravenholdt | Page 1

whole heart Dec 23, 2022, 2:52 PM

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hello

finite talon Dec 23, 2022, 2:53 PM

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Sup

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 2:55 PM

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im confused are you playing without a capstone?

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the talents in this log dont have tea or dance

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in the class tree

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theres is no zero capstone builds

whole heart Dec 23, 2022, 2:56 PM

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ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 2:56 PM

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ok, so missing dance

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ur gunna want to be grabbing that

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your opener is wrong, should look at the opener in the FaQ, you want to pre pull AR > RtB for a guarenteed 2 roll then open with your ambush

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you are already SSing in the opener which is really not a thing that should happen, if those initial ambushes arent proccing opp you should have vanish and dance at the ready to try to fish for more procs

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(obviously cant do that without dance), you need to vanish more often

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there should basically never be an SS cast with vanish off cd. it almost never happens.

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anytime you have 3 or less fth stacks and no audacity you can vanish > ambush

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so like, your opener should have looked like AR > RtB > ambush > ambush > BtE (always BtE prio over SnD if neither buff is up) > vanish > ambush > ambush etc

whole heart Dec 23, 2022, 3:01 PM

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should be carefull about rtb uptime btw, you sometimes have 5sec+ of no rtb buff

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thats just me or wcl site is kinda dying

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:03 PM

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its loading slow af for me + im on hotspot rn, my top graph and bottom graph keep desycing from my options

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omegalul its annoying

wraith elk Dec 23, 2022, 3:03 PM

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ember bough im confused are you playing without a capstone?

I keep seeing this term "capstone" and having trouble understanding it. Is it a talent? I can't find it in my tree. Or does it mean something?

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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capstones are the end of talent trees

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HO GSW KiR

silver tangle Dec 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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So how do you watch all the buffs supposed to and watch the mechanics of a fight. And your rotation

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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those are capstones

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the "big" talent at the end of the line

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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silver tangle So how do you watch all the buffs supposed to and watch the mechanics of a fight...

get a good WA, stick it somewhere easy to see on ur screen

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also this isnt really the place for general questions this is a log review thread guys

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#outlaw

silver tangle Dec 23, 2022, 3:05 PM

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ember bough get a good WA, stick it somewhere easy to see on ur screen

Oh I hit wrong channel sorry

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:05 PM

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all g

gentle apex Dec 23, 2022, 3:05 PM

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Top outlaw log has 114 casts per minute, you have 95 casts per minute

wraith elk Dec 23, 2022, 3:05 PM

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ember bough capstones are the end of talent trees

Ah he's not running shadow dance on rogue side. I'm actually here learning from your log evaluation but i saw capstone and was like wtf.

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:06 PM

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ya he didnt run dance which is probably a pretty decent loss

wraith elk Dec 23, 2022, 3:06 PM

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fly on the wall

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:06 PM

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especially since his rng is not on the high end this pull and hes quite energy starved

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dance would have helped quite a bit

wraith elk Dec 23, 2022, 3:08 PM

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Errors considered, could the slow pull also account for the lower parse?

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:08 PM

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yes but not grey

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gear/trinkets are meh and ur not getting much time to hit adds, that will of course lower parse

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but on a grey parse theres still many things to fix

whole heart Dec 23, 2022, 3:09 PM

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by slow pull wdym tho?

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I saw you kinda went late

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but that wont change your overall result much

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:09 PM

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oh i thought they meant long kill timer lul yea no opening late will lose a bit of dps of course but not all that noticable

whole heart Dec 23, 2022, 3:09 PM

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as outlaw you do good if you do good for the whole fight, not just for the opener or whatever

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:09 PM

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more noticable is how scuffed the opener is

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ARing after you open, after ur initial ambush (with AR you'd get 3 ambushes in subterfuge basically always)

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not vanishing in the opener to get procs when you got none

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no dance either

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all these things impacted the opener way more

gentle apex Dec 23, 2022, 3:10 PM

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Top log has twice as many ambushes as sinister strikes, your log has more ss than ambush by a fair amount

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:10 PM

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other then that i just see lots of SSing which is likely due to bellow average rng + you skipping one of your rng protection tools

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seems like you are using audacity procs alright

finite talon Dec 23, 2022, 3:11 PM

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I’m curious on my opener should I cast ar-> bones -> ambush twice -> bte or should I just spam 3 ambush

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:11 PM

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so you just need to vanish under the right conditions (which should lead to vanishing more often) fix the opener, take dance lul , improve uptime a bit, you have quite a bit of downtime for mechanics in this

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how many ambush depends on ur cps

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u follow finisher rules always

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if ur first ambush double hits you'd ambush > finisher > ambush

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if it doesnt you'd ambush > ambush > finisher

finite talon Dec 23, 2022, 3:12 PM

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So to simplify I still only finisher if I’m at 7 cp

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:12 PM

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or 6 under the 6 conditions but yes

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mostly you'll be finishing at 7

finite talon Dec 23, 2022, 3:12 PM

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Ya the 6 conditions might never make sense to me

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:12 PM

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regardless of all other rules, you always follow finisher rules

wraith elk Dec 23, 2022, 3:13 PM

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ember bough oh i thought they meant long kill timer <:lul:585739277548388352> yea no opening...

I did mean slow kill timer. I guess since outlaw isn't cooldown dependent the only issue with a longer kill timer is more room for human error.

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:13 PM

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i wish you had a terros log those are the easiest to analyze

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ST practically patchwerk if ur playing it right

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lul

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i dont think ur BF usage looks to bad, adds r just getting crushed

whole heart Dec 23, 2022, 3:13 PM

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wraith elk I did mean slow kill timer. I guess since outlaw isn't cooldown dependent the on...

yeah kill timer isnt as impactful for outlaw as it is for burst classes

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since we are basically just a straight line

ember bough Dec 23, 2022, 3:14 PM

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def spreading out for your fire pools too early, you have periods of as long as 10s with zero dps here which shouldnt really happen to law

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you have grapple to either get to the center and smack boss while ur RL targets an add to crush (then zoom out to it) or to grapple to the add immediatly

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same for quickly getting your pool out with 1-2s on the timer

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outlaw is a steady state cdr spec which means really one of the most punishing things that can happen (besides rotational mistakes) is downtime where ur not genning/spending cps

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