roguelaw logs | Ravenholdt | Page 1

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:42 PM

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you're sitting on vanish a lot

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you can use vanish as soon as you have no audacity and 3 or less FTH stacks

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you're specced into Subterfuge, but you kept using sinister strike on pull

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with subterfuge you are likely to ambush > ambush? or ambush > bte > ambush if the first ambush was a proc

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Thanks so much for looking into this solo. I really appreciate it

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:47 PM

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and then in this case if you get shit on by procs you would have been able to vanish ambush again instead of spam SS 4 times

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you feel me

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:47 PM

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gotcha

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absolutely that makes sense

vapid violet Dec 21, 2022, 2:48 PM

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If you get real bad with procs would you just dance out of subter/vanish?

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:48 PM

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so bte should be priority even before snd?

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:48 PM

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livid relic so bte should be priority even before snd?

yes

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:48 PM

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ok gotcha

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:48 PM

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vapid violet If you get real bad with procs would you just dance out of subter/vanish?

sometimes

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you dance if you have neither audacity or opportunity and vanish is on cd

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sometimes your vanish subterfuge window still doesnt proc shit so you dance right after

vapid violet Dec 21, 2022, 2:49 PM

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Got it. Felt right just wanted to clarify

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Not trying to hijack haha. I'll lurk in the shadows 🙂

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:50 PM

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@livid relic you used both RTB and ADR in prepull but ended up with 1 buff at the start

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i assume you did rtb > adr instead of adr > rtb

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adr > rtb is better to take advantage of loaded dice

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:50 PM

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gotcha

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I definitely did the wrong order

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:51 PM

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you're spending combo points at 5cp, 4cp, 3cp etc sometimes

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this build will only ever finish at 7cp but at 6cp if you happen to be at 6cp with broadside or opportunity active

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:53 PM

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even if i have 3 stacks of opportunity?

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:53 PM

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i believe you're spending combo points at 4-5cp when opportunity is active when you actually should have just pressed opportunity

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:54 PM

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oh so its okay to overcap with opportunity?

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:57 PM

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for this build yes

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opportunity is just too crucial to proc audacity again

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 2:57 PM

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gotcha

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ok so basically never finish early, 7 or 6 combo points with broadside or opportunity

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thats was a major flaw last night

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 2:59 PM

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a couple times i am catching you press sinister strike while audacity is active

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if audacity is active, then ambush is the highest priority builder

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you would never press any other builder while audacity is active

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:00 PM

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ok

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i might have to make a weakaura to pop out more at me

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:02 PM

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minor, but watch RTB, the uptime doesnt need to look so choppy

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:02 PM

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strange rampart if audacity is active, then ambush is the highest priority builder

alright not going to miss that anymore

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:02 PM

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WICKED

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:03 PM

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strange rampart minor, but watch RTB, the uptime doesnt need to look so choppy

damn I straight out held onto rtb, thats embarassing

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I need to go back and watch the vod on why i would have not rolled

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thank you for catching that

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:04 PM

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there is a moment here when Subterfuge is active but you consumed opportunity at 3 stacks

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during dance or subterfuge, you should only consume opportunity at 6 stacks

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opportunity is for proccing ambush but if you are in dance/subterfuge you are able to cast ambush anyway

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so using opp early takes away from ambushes there

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:05 PM

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that makes sense, so ambush above all

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during those windows

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:05 PM

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but you still dont want to overcap opp procs so you still use it at 6 despite the ambush proc potentially not helping you at all in stealth

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:06 PM

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ok that makes sense

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:07 PM

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i think that's about everything that sticks out to me

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:07 PM

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thank you so much for taking sucha detailed look

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anything with my killing spree usage

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do you just use it on cooldown at low energy:?

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:08 PM

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just low energy yeah

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:08 PM

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ok gotcha

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:08 PM

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pretty low impact button, not worried about it

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 3:08 PM

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target counts dont matter anymore right

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ah ok

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Thanks so much again. Time to hit a target dummy

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Really appreciate all the insight!

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 3:08 PM

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no prob

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 5:47 PM

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quick question, during subterfuge , is there a certain number of ambushes I should get off?

strange rampart Dec 21, 2022, 5:48 PM

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you almost always get 2

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sometimes it’s weird if it has like 0.5s remaining

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and you hit ambush

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nothing happens

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theoretically with adr active you can get 4 globals during subterfuge

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The number of ambushes depends on procs because you are still following the finisher rule and still using opp at 6

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sometimes you hardly get to ambush if you vanish > ambush at 3 opp, it procs, then you finish > pistol shot cause you are at 6 > finish, now subterfuge is over with 1 ambush, oh well still worth on average

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im rambling a bit that might make some sense

livid relic Dec 21, 2022, 5:53 PM

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no that makes perfect sense, thank you for that level of detail

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man the more i look at this I have been wasting combo points like crazy, and not because of overcapping lol

vapid violet Dec 21, 2022, 6:31 PM

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I feel like that's the name of the game with rogue these days is proper cp management

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