#GGs Log Review

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vernal elk
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Well firstly, I'm going to say you're pumping

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10k is still really good (I didn't check to see how many stacks of determination you had)

static ruin
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I knew it was lfr, but they did the countdown timer we only had 1 on the kill

vernal elk
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First thing I usually look at it is combo point waste

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and you've got minimal waste, which is really really good

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only 6cp wasted

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could be a bit better, but it's not problematic. Shit happens sometimes ya know?

static ruin
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can I ask how you can see that ? thats crazy

vernal elk
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sure

static ruin
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ty

vernal elk
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just go under resources then on the little drop down just pick combo points

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don't worry about seal fate waste

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it's completely passive and you can't control it

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so you can ignore that CP waste

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2nd thing I usually look at is energy waste

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again you're doing just fine

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121 over almost 8 minutes is still really good

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so fundamentally, you're doing just fine

static ruin
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thats great to hear, thank you. Does that mean its a just Enven instead of a refresh issue?

oak ginkgo
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monkaS my waste on my last halo and it was only 6min

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static ruin
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Last time I touched a rogue was WoD's 6.1 patch and Mut was at the bottom

vernal elk
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so as you probably found out searching all the guides and stuff, venthyr is just better in ST so most of the guides & resources are centered around that

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but necro isn't terrible by any means, it's good for cleave fights (it's the pick for sin rogues on fights like pantheon and lords of dread)

static ruin
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ye, took an insane amount of digging to get what I had here

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pooling the SB into the marrow gem I saw sparked holding shiv for vendettas

vernal elk
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Yeah the rotation for necro hasn't changed that much

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yep

oak ginkgo
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how does SBS interact with 4p overhangs?

vernal elk
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That's a fantastic question, and probably better for whispyr or seli to answer. AFAIK if it's applied during vendetta it's sped up

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the bleed portion that is

static ruin
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I've normally double shot them at the end, because you hold the charges to release in MG, and if it all aligns it slaps

oak ginkgo
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i assume theres a lot of necro ST optimizations that just havnt been researched that much? since venth is just the better pick

static ruin
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only throwing at cap or on pull

oak ginkgo
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kinda like how Venth Sin got hella optimized after the race

vernal elk
oak ginkgo
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oh shit

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the secret tech is out there

static ruin
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🙂

vernal elk
static ruin
vernal elk
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but ngl most people play marileth now because of the Kevin's Oozeling uptime

oak ginkgo
static ruin
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that was the dmg breakdown of that halo pull

vernal elk
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yeah melee being your highest is kinda normal

static ruin
oak ginkgo
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thats pretty standard for halo

vernal elk
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because you can't miss auto attacks on halondrus

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like this was my damage breakdown pre-4pc as necro halondrus

oak ginkgo
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big envenoms

vernal elk
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rip doomblade Sadge

oak ginkgo
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heres mine as venth

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melee's pump

static ruin
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my hardest Even was 22k that pull

vernal elk
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Also another thing I look at when checking logs, is bleed uptime

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your rupture is at 98.34%, garrote as 97.27%

static ruin
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98/97 is what I saw, is that wrong

vernal elk
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yep

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you're doing good

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the only thing I could see is maximizing the vendetta overhang

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where you refresh garrote and rupture before vendetta ends

static ruin
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reappin rupt/gar with 2s left, i'm still looking at that

vernal elk
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yea man

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you're doing great whispyrheart

static ruin
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I get it once every 5 it seems

vernal elk
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it'll get there with practice

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it's just about getting the feel about maximizing the window

static ruin
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we go into CN Tuesday, I am hoping to just pop off and prove my GM wrong

vernal elk
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also personally if I were to play necro on halondrus, I'd play marileth because you can fleshcraft the knockbacks he does during intermission

static ruin
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That sounds redic, I was just holding Shadowsteps

vernal elk
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ultimate form is giga

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and so is

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especially playing deathspike (which you get from unity)

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the 5 charges end up keeping a high kevin uptime

static ruin
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Appreciate you looking into this for me. Is there anything else you see? 1SB=10s ooze

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what...

vernal elk
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yeah it's kinda busted KEKL

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seli's heroic halondrus kill w/ double legendary had a 50.78% uptime on kevin

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which is insane to think about

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Ideally though you'd want to level up venthyr, get comfy with it, and blast

static ruin
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Marrow gem I had on that pull was 17%

vernal elk
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it's just flat out better in pure single target

static ruin
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I've dabbed like the 60 starter renown into it

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played it to unlock the bottom trees and it just seemed boring tbh

oak ginkgo
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getting 25-30 stack flags inside vend feels so good

vernal elk
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yeah it's not the most fun in the world

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but like if you're just vibing out with heroic/aotc & dabbling in mythic

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necro is more than viable

static ruin
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guild just wanted to relax till DF

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we were M raiding SoFO

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I was playing mage/hunter. dont enjoy that lol

vernal elk
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so just zooming into one of your vendetta windows

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ideally if you can manage it, swapping the mutilate and garrote would be better

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but I mean you seem to have a very good understanding of what to do and why you do it

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this has been the easiest log review of my life KEKL

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but rule of thumb for maximizing the 4pc

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if you have to pick between garrote or rupture to refresh at the end of the vendetta window, rupture

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anything beyond that is just super min-maxing

static ruin
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I dont like walking blindly into things lol. coughs at dh discord Why would you flip the Mut/Garrote in the windows there?

vernal elk
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just to try to maximize more garrote uptime post-vendetta

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but if garrote's falling off at that point

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you gotta refresh it

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sin's tier set takes the plate spinning maintenance and overclocks it

static ruin
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I try to garrote right before the Ven window

vernal elk
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so it's okay to not maximize both bleeds sometimes

static ruin
vernal elk
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cause I mean dude you 97 parsed, I know its LFR but that's still really damn good KEKL

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10k isn't bad at all

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you're 255 ilvl on top of it

static ruin
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that ilvl and that damage high for it?

vernal elk
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you're 97 for overall, 100% for ilvl

static ruin
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I know there was a 5% det buff but curious

vernal elk
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like you're doing really really well

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there's a few min-maxy stuff you can do, and I always suggest going for the absolute min-maxing. But the only issue holding you back rn is finding that groove to maximize the 4pc overhang

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but for all intents and purposes, you're doing just fine

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and I wish I could help you do it, but I jumped ship to venthyr when Cev found the secret tech lol

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so the only 4pc necro experience I have is on lords

static ruin
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I appreciate you taking the time to look over this with me. Its helped quite a bit.
I'm trying to find something with Necro and its tearing my brain in half

vernal elk
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I'm trying to sort through Seli's logs

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he's a huge necro guy

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so fair warning, p sure seli got super lazy during the tier and just kept playing CT even on ST boses

static ruin
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I just love the adaptive playstyle of it always feeling like your on your toes

vernal elk
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but

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this is seli's first vendetta window during lust on mythic skolex

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this was his last 3s of it

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you ideally want the last 3-4 globals of the window refreshing gar & rupture

static ruin
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i like the sbs there...

vernal elk
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yeah you get to juice the bleeds on the overhang a bit too

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also @tacit moon @grizzled pasture @kindred flare if you guys catch anything I may have missed, and Seli/Quake if you know some necro stuff I don't. Help a homie out whispyrheart

tacit moon
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ill check it out later today, thanks for summoning

static ruin
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O.o

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I'm not an EU gang, its currently 11:45pm

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But I'll respond in the am if I see something. last thing I had is with the shiv tier stuff. I still wanna enven main target correct?

vernal elk
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yea you only get the nature damage bonus from well-placed steel & shiv on the target you shivved

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think of the 2pc as just a bonus in cleave

static ruin
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gotcha

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ok, thank you for all the help. It's greatly appreciated. I need to get some shut eye, been awake since 2am yesterday. If I see anything else in here I can respond when I wake. Is this thread just seeable to me?

vernal elk
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other people can join it and see it, or if you can tag people to summon them into it (like I did to cev, seli and quake)

static ruin
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alrighty, appreciate it again. Thank you

vernal elk
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no problem at all! I hope any of the other greens can offer some more advice that I might have missed

static ruin
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multiple sets of eyes is always welcome. It can iron out all the stuff

grizzled pasture
# vernal elk That's a fantastic question, and probably better for whispyr or seli to answer. ...

So the way SBS works is that when you press Vendetta, it snapshots SBS' current haste and doubles the tick rate during Vendetta. Once Vendetta runs out, it will halve the tick rate back to normal, but the snapshotted haste still remains even after Vendetta, as long as you don't reapply the bleed. This however is quite small and not something we really play around, it's still better to follow normal SBS rules instead of never pressing SBS again.

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But yeah, honestly no reason not to play the Venthyr build on most bosses. Play Venth, maximize Vendetta windows, press Shiv on cooldown and you're golden.

static ruin
grizzled pasture
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Also what are NcL bonuses?

kindred flare
# oak ginkgo monkaS my waste on my last halo and it was only 6min

HUH- also to answer your question about overhang from what I can tell.
It does continue to double your bleed time on sbs; however; it gets overwritten the next spike that goes out. The bleed is also negligible enough that gemstones or oozeling is worth infinitely more than keeping the omega bleed

grizzled pasture
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:(

kindred flare
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Damn

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I’m a bully 😦

grizzled pasture
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But yeh, the tick rate goes back to "normal" but the haste stays snapshotted.

kindred flare
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Ahhh, you’d think I’d know this as much as I played.
I tested tick rate early PTR, like before a lot of things were fixed, and it seemed to work similarly

static ruin
oak ginkgo
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You use it at the start of Flag, so its build CP then Flag Rupture MFD CT Vend

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Cev Had had a big msg explaining the opener that used to be pinned

static ruin
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In NcL? If I stay and don't swap Venthyr

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Looked at Venthyr and tried it this morning and still don't like it for some reason lol

kindred flare
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You probably won’t be playing mfd as ncl

static ruin
kindred flare
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Above Cev is specifically talking about the venthyr build (including playing venthyr)

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Unless I missed it; I’m functioning with little to no sleep

oak ginkgo
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MFDs value is for flag basically makes getting full stacks a lot easier

static ruin
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I think so, after re-reading that

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how would I access this after is closed?

kindred flare
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Click that

static ruin
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Appreciate that

vernal elk
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and if it closes just message one of us and we can re-open it

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unless regular members can also see archived threads

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@primal turret can everyone see archived threads or is it just us?

static ruin
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I see archieved threads

vernal elk
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okay

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yeah it might slide under archived after a bit

primal turret
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Everyone can yeah

static ruin
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Appreciate that

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would there be a use to tacking the ICD of Marrow Gem?

vernal elk
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you can just get a WA that tracks gemstones

static ruin
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I had one, just curious if it was optimal to try and pool right before it wouls show up

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since it near immediate procs

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That one is better than mine O.o

vernal elk
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yea you can find a lot of neat WAs on wago

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people much smarter than us put a ton of work into them KEKL

static ruin
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I'm really good with making them tbh, but its soo much effort sometimes

vernal elk
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yeah I'm of the mindset if I can find someone else's hardwork and tweak it to my needs

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I'd prefer that than doing it from scratch

static ruin
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just sustained 9k on a turnip for 5m. pooled the Vendetta window with the rupture/garrote swings properly to.... wow thats a massive difference. last night it would drop to about 8.5k then Vendetta come back it popped to 9.5k now it was like 8.7k -> 10k, and back

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appreciate the help here soo much. makes a literal world of difference

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for M+ regardless of cov would I still go CT>PB?

primal turret
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Yes

static ruin
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ty

static ruin
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S&D should be 1 time on pull and then the ability never again and extended with envenom yeah?

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I believe that's what I did just making sure. Work called me in so I can't see it

vernal elk
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yeah you'd ideally refresh snd with envenom every time