#classic-discussion

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halcyon helm
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Also combat down to imp sprint and evasion

daring tundra
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Any tips for SoD leveling? I feel I am doing something absolutely wrong. Even at 22 with poisons (Don't have deadly rune yet) I find myself nearly dead after 1 npc. I get an add and it's a crapshoot if I need to pop evasion. I feel like I am leveling too slow compared to other rogues in my guild so I am clearly doing something wrong.

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Gear wise, I'm wearing a mix of random greens from the AH and I lucked out and won not one but two cruel barbs heh... so I can't say my weapons are bad either.

nimble sleet
daring tundra
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hence asking for tips 🙂

main blade
nimble sleet
# daring tundra Clearly 🙂

use your toolkit, kick npc casts, use gouge to cc one mob, kite with quick draw, you can gouge + bandage. with quickdraw and gouge you can take minimal dmg from a mob

main blade
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I'd use shadowstrike if you're levelling with a barb

hoary stream
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probly combo point spending issue: just gen 2 points for adds and then finisher

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also go upgrade the basic skills if you havent

main blade
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Don't sleep on Between the Eyes too 🙌 a ranged kidney shot (before we have access to the real kidney shot) that also does damage

plush glacier
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shadowstrike over saber?

main blade
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for levelling, I took shadowstrike most of the time

plush glacier
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i had no issues leveling combat with saber slash

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that with remorsless i chained mobs well

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guess sinister would be fine too and shadowstrike around for mobility

main blade
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20 energy for instant backstab damage with a hard hitting sword vs your cp builder hitting marginally more powerful on quest mobs.... down to preference ;P

plush glacier
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tru for sure

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maybe a stupid question but im specced for pve combat with sword/dag, but i want to pvp between resets without repeccing every time. are people having decent time pvping without backstabbing? and does respec keep scaling more expensive in SoD

main blade
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take a pinch of salt of course

plush glacier
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sweet, ill have to try a few things been a while since ive done classic pvp

daring tundra
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Good tips, and I've been running similar/doing that. It's gotten a lot better at 20 with poisons for damage. I've been running saber slash which limits my gouge usefulness, but maybe that's it. Also, yes, I've been holding Finishers for at least 4 where possible (minus slice and dice I get that up asap)

opaque vortex
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it got a lot easier after grabbing deadly brew + envenom

daring tundra
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Yeah,I mean, classic rogue was always rough early on from what I remember, but I feel a bit fail here comparatively in SoD

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especially since other guildies were able to hit 25 much quicker, and while they all said it sucked.. it's clearly a me thing 🙂

opaque vortex
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wailing caverns is pretty good exp to just grind

daring tundra
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yeah, I'm at that point where I may just dungeon grind the rest especially since theres guildies running stuff lately

old viper
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guys do you have any aura for energy tick? i cant find any working properly

sudden oasis
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is it impossible to stun someone who has a priest bubble or what ?

main blade
atomic vessel
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does anyone have a good pvp build? Couldn't find anything in my scrolling

normal barn
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I scrolled up a bit and didnt find an answer. What is the optimal rotation for a boss in PVE? I do 2 saber slash, 1 slice and dice, 3rd saber slash, build points with saberslash/sinister until i get enough poison stacks to hit envenom and then just try and keep slice and dice up and hit envenom when necessary. damage is good so far, but i feel like my rotation is kinda loose and unsctructured. any tips here before i hit BFD?

bright portal
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(and, frankly, you're ahead of 99% of players if you do it well)

storm light
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Which poison to use for tank rogue in SoD?

sharp isle
craggy tulip
sharp isle
normal barn
sharp isle
normal barn
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np at all. i appreciate the knowledge.

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i'll sim with my swords in BFD on wednesday 😛

craggy tulip
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Do we have a classic SIM ?

sharp isle
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I'd like to know that too

opaque vortex
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with saber slash being counted as a bleed it will also benefit from mangle

nimble sleet
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nerf on 1st boss since he's immune to bleeds

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but good afterwards

wraith parcel
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Kinda sussy to buff rogue, especially saber slash

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But well take it i guess

stark loom
opaque vortex
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gusting wind pretty sure

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higher dps + better weapon speed

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even with the agi loss it's likely better

opaque vortex
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it's actually a nerf to us fighting any fucking elemental

stark loom
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thanks, but protectors is our 2nd best MH ?

opaque vortex
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idk im using this since i'm horde

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until i get talwar

stark loom
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I'm alliance so

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for alliance I think it's Cruel Barb --> Protector's --> Talwar.

opaque vortex
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yea that sounds right

thin hedge
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whats best dags looking like rn? meteor shard?

opaque vortex
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as a mainhand dagger yea probably

upbeat bear
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Anyone know what's up with the tooltip on Saber? Some are saying the 130% was always supposed to be 100% and they are changing it. Weaving sinster strikes in is ideal rotation?

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I do notice that me saber hits aren't hitting harder than regular white's which does go along with no added %

upbeat bear
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I did some testing. Sinister strike hits harder on average than Saber. Looks like Saber has always been 100% and tooltip been lying to us. Sinster strike weaving looks like the way to go.

hardy kindle
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Its x+12 vs 1.3x

upbeat bear
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no, saber is not 130

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its lying to you. Its actually 100. Read the patch notes

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its +15 vs +0

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Go try it in a duel. Saber hits softer

hardy kindle
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where do you see 100 in patch note?

upbeat bear
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"Saber Slash’s tooltip fixed; damage not reduced." This part. We don't have the patch yet, so that hover in wowhead is still using the old one

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they are clearly changing the tooltip. and to not scare people they included the "dmg not actually reduced" line

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because its going to say 100% after the patch

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its clear as day doing a bit of testing

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saber currently is 100%. The tooltip has been wrong the whole time

hardy kindle
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but why code it with a string saying 130 if its not coded for 130????

upbeat bear
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its a tooltip mistake. Has nothing to do with the actual code of the spell

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which is why they are fixing it

hardy kindle
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bro its hell of a mistake

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if the string says 130, you code it for 130

upbeat bear
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that's not really how it works, but I agree with you on it being a big mistake

hardy kindle
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what do you mean!?

upbeat bear
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Programmers don't code to a tooltip string

hardy kindle
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if the taxi in a game is called ''Yellow cab'', the god damn programmer wont make it red in the game!

upbeat bear
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Yeah it's a display error. A lot of times what happens is what's mechanical behind the scenes is not actually the same variable used to make strings for outward faces messages. Seen it happen all the time. The person doing the actualy coding probably not the same person who made the tooltips. It got lost in the pipe somewhere

hardy kindle
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So the devs and designer and testers all got past that?

upbeat bear
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Looks like it. We'll see for sure tomorrow with the patch when they update tooltip. But I'm fairly confident it'll say 100% and people will start freaking out

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From what I see right now though, it's always been that way, and with the mangle buff we'll see an increase in dmg overall. Except on elemental boss which you might as well put on a dagger now and backstab with slaughter

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no point in being brew or swords on it

hardy kindle
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After testing, Ive got to admit it feels 100%

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Having 1 weapon in hand, saber hits same amounts has my white hits

unborn quiver
# hardy kindle if the string says 130, you code it for 130

IIRC damage values are coded on the back end and can be changed literally any time. They can update back end damage values mid-RWF if they need to. But tooltips are client-side (to increase performance) and so they’re not updated at the same cadence. That’s why on Tuesday restarts you always see lots of tooltip updates.

upbeat bear
unborn quiver
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From what I’ve picked up from game design blogs and such, is that when you use an ability, you send a request to the server, e.g. “I click SS rank 3”. The server does a database table lookup for SS rank 3, calculates base damage, does armor reduction, and then damage goes through to the mob. Nothing about the tooltip interacts with the process at all. That’s just a display layer on top of everything else

upbeat bear
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Yep. That should be how it works.

unborn quiver
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My first instinct is to go, “umm just code the tooltips to look up values in the database” and then my second instinct is, “and then a couple people run their mouse back and forth really fast on some tooltips and take down the whole system” 🤣

hardy kindle
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small indie company though

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kinda expected

spare bear
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kinda annoying that the rogue tank rune is gated by the rep with the supply crates

drifting lintel
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Is it possible to make a macro for saber slash if known, else sinisiter strike??

foggy bobcat
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god that would be nice

wary zealot
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Hi there - SOD question. Does Deadly Brew chest rune interact with poison procs from weapons such as Stinging Viper or Chipped Bite of Serra'kis?

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Or does it only apply to rogue-specific poisons?

wraith parcel
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Only rogue specific

wary zealot
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that's lame

opaque vortex
unkempt swan
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idk why you so caught up on a tooltip error, it should have had literally zero impact on your gameplay

hardy kindle
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says 130% but its 100%.. no big deal

zenith spear
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Anyone else had Blood frenzy rune not dropped by Wandering swordsman?

keen harbor
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Has anyone simmed which is better dps for 1st boss in BFD?

Saber Slash talents but backstabbing with runes vs sinister striking?

flint kernel
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Is anyone else running a backstab build that can help with the rotation? On paper you would ideally keep Saber Slash bleed up while using backstab in-between. In reality i find that it consumes way too much energy to get and maintain the stacks of Saber to get any backstabs in and that i do more damage just spamming backstab while fishing for crits.

nimble sleet
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you dont have energy in this game to mantain saber slash and do things in between

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just do saber slash

opaque vortex
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you can alternate saber slash with sinister strike but not with backstab (at 60 cost at least)

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if saber slash is being updated to show 100% then that's the play after you get 3stack

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then yea looks like we're builder alternating gamers now

flint kernel
junior wasp
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would slaughter be better than deadly brew?

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doing the first raid tonight and i was just planning on saberstriking with envenom :/

opaque vortex
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if you have a high damage dagger MH possibly but probably not

cloud shard
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I got the talwar sword from BFD last night and was immediately disappointed at how ugly it looks lol

fallen wolf
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guys whats the deal with poisons, windfury, and the sharpening stones with deadly brew - do you just run sharpening stones on OH or run nothing at all?

opaque vortex
fallen wolf
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ok thanks sexy

opaque vortex
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and deadly brew does not require you to have poisons applied to proc both instant and deadly

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so you just wanna throw a stone on offhand and leave no poisons

flint kernel
upbeat bear
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of course you need a decent dagger

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if you don't, just SS him

junior wasp
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i have meteor shard, is that considered decent?

finite mountain
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Hi ! Question for SOD rogues 🙂

Is it possible to shadowstrike + backstab with a macro ? 😦

opaque vortex
upbeat bear
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yeah but why? It's just less damage for no reason

gloomy kettle
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Hey everyone question here on my main hand. So I just got the chipped fang of serra’kiss OH and I’m rocking Stinging Viper MH. I have my 2 set with +12 AP. I’m wondering how impactful cruel barb would be instead of stinging viper? I don’t pay attention to proc and debuff so idk how often the poison is being applied, if at all. I’ve ran DM so many times and just tired of not seeing it drop on my rogue :/

upbeat bear
gloomy kettle
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I was thinking that too, and prison shank for OH?

upbeat bear
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yeah if you have it, works well. revered wsg dagger if you've got the rep

gloomy kettle
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Ahh I don’t rep farm so probably not. I’ll try dual daggers tonight 🙂 is there a training dummy for alliance in SOD you know?

upbeat bear
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there isn't

strong portal
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I accidentally discovered that I don't need to apply instant poison to my weapons if i have deadly brew rune. Is this working as intended?

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I mean it says it applies instant if I dont have poisons, but the instant applies deadly too

opaque vortex
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that is as intended

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it treats no poison as instant, and also every time instant procs (or any poison) it applies a stack of deadly

strong portal
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that's pretty neat

opaque vortex
opaque vortex
frail mural
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Okay I need some rogue community insight. Why is Combat Daggers not seeing the play in SOD?

My inkling was with the 30% talent crit and 40 energy backstab this would for sure be above and the best build.

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Everyone seems to be running Saber Deadly brew though

last wolf
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Looking for classic macro help, is there a way to cast Saber Slash if known otherwise Sinster Strike?

frail mural
opaque vortex
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unfortunately [known] doesn't exist in this version of the game

last wolf
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Ah gotcha.

opaque vortex
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but also you want them separate

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you wanna saber slash only to maintain 3 stacks, sinister strike does more damage otherwise

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weapon damage vs weapon damage + 15

last wolf
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I am using a rune dancing macro for shadowstrike... but sometimes it doesn't put my saber slash gloves back on... so wanted to hit sinster strike if that happened.

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I see though. That makes sense. I will just have two buttons.

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Sorry another question. When playing backstab, would it be worth using a weapon swap macro for when you saber slash?

bleak python
opaque vortex
bleak python
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saber strike hits with both weapons right? so doesn't really matter for saber but other abilities

opaque vortex
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i think it's MH only but idk

bleak python
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oh yeah think i'm confusing with mutilate

upbeat bear
opaque vortex
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you still want to get 3 stacks on elemental

bleak python
opaque vortex
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they specifically allowed it to keep bleeding

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it's in the notes

bleak python
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oh huh

opaque vortex
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it just now interacts with stuff that affect bleeds

bleak python
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always thought it was silly that water elementals can't bleed

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they're all liquid, they should be leaking everywhere

upbeat bear
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haven't seen that

opaque vortex
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oh wait

upbeat bear
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?

opaque vortex
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they actually removed the lines wtf

upbeat bear
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lmao

opaque vortex
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it was in there when i read it yesterday that it will still be affected by it

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i guess they changed it

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so yeah you're right to just SS now on that boss

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or i just fucking misread idk

upbeat bear
bleak python
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anyone have a stat calculator/simulator link handy? trying to compare 9 AP vs .3 weapon speed for OH

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or am i better going sentinel's blade offhand over either barb or diamond hammer

upbeat bear
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Sentinel dagger is better than either of those for an offhand

plush glacier
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For bosses, if there is a druid in the group do we add rupture to rotation or just keep plugging along with saber, SnD and envenom

sturdy void
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any nice runes when lvling with saber slash?

opaque vortex
sturdy void
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is there a specific sod channel ?

compact gull
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Hello boys, how can i see relentness strike procs in warcraft logs?

slender rivet
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Yo where are you guys having people afk for selling WC stealth kills

finite mountain
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Btw swap macros are litteraly bug abused, you should stop it.

half vigil
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Hey guys noob rogue question I have the Honed Darkwater Talwar , Outlaw sabre and Blackfathom ritual dagger , is the dagger better in OH than Outlaw sabre and if so why?

hasty radish
half vigil
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and that outweighs the AP increase by a lot?

half vigil
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also would say Cross Dagger of Power be better than Blackfathom ritual dagger or roughly the same? I know wowhead has them listed in the same tier of 'best' but wowhead isnt always the most reliable

tardy topaz
brave mountain
tardy topaz
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If I see it correctly, if you go with dagger spec you always use rupture instead of eviscerate.
That makes it easier

hardy kindle
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whats the dps diff between backstab build and saberslash(ass build) ?

opaque vortex
half vigil
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Ah sweet, tyvm 🙂

plush glacier
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last night i did bfd with no rupture in rotation with a feral druid and my damage was crazy, saber and mangle dmg is super good

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i should have tried to add rupture in on one of the bosses to see if was a large difference

spice drum
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So deadly brew is 100% not applying properly, right?

wraith parcel
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Why do you think its not

spice drum
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Because when I equip it and fight a mob with insant poison applied to weapons they apply more than when I equip it and don't apply instant poison to weapons

spice drum
spice drum
wraith parcel
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If you look at slightly larger sample sizes like complete raids its 20%, exactly like when you have a poison equiped

unborn quiver
honest crater
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Has anyone played with a Rogue Tank build in pvp?

spice drum
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hardy kindle
wraith parcel
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Because its definitely around 20% on all the raid logs (aka without a poison equiped)

brave mountain
spice drum
spice drum
plush glacier
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i ran bfd last reset with instant in OH and ran this reset with sharp stone and i didnt notice a difference in deadly application

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outlaw mh/ meteor shard oh

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but i didnt keep logs for first one just what i noticed with watching stacks

spice drum
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I can already see that I'm procc'ing more now. I'm hoping I wasn't just baked and doing something wrong before

main blade
spice drum
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But why would stockades bandits be resisting often

spare bear
spice drum
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What Hand rune do you guys use when tanking? I grinded Main Gauche but it feels so bad. I feel like Saber Slash's damage is just so much better than 10% parry

main blade
spice drum
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But they aren't anymore, I'm testing it now and applying normally. I don't want to say it but I think I was just PEPEGA'ing when I tested before

unborn quiver
spice drum
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I think I'd way rather have Saber Slash's damage for bosses than a charge

unborn quiver
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Make your party wait as you swap back and forth between the two for bosses and trash. 🤣

spice drum
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hahaha

unborn quiver
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At least parry gives damage from parry haste right

upbeat bear
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Saber is the way to go for tanking right now. Don't need the extra parry

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Also, with no poisons im getting 20% proc rate pretty standard, so not sure what's going on with you

spare bear
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Saber slash is good for the damage and I feel like I’m performing fine without gauche

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I’ll still get it to have it, but I like saber slash a lot

opaque vortex
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i only had friendly and went and bought it

opaque vortex
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you may or may not need the quest to gather shards from BFD to get it though

brave mountain
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but what quest is that

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I can't see it anywhere

opaque vortex
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if you're horde the guy in the straw shack gives it

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at zoram strand

brave mountain
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only quest i have in that area is "kill 20 nagas", and I have turned the water globule in. Never had to gather any shards

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but that quest doesn't exist for me

oblique grotto
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not working for me

opaque vortex
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you're horde right?

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i've only seen that rumored so i have no idea if it's true

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but i had it when i got my damp note

quaint sierra
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Question for SOD rogues 🙂
I just hit 25, what runes are good for raiding?

opaque vortex
brave mountain
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did it just disappear from the game when I got outlaw sabre or what

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nvm the game is DUMB it's a level 22 quest but doesn't show up for me unless I speak to that npc

opaque vortex
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lol

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yeah try that, it took a few kills for priestess to drop the damp note for me

brave mountain
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god I hate social aggro so much

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pull 1 mob, suddenly 8 mobs are on me because someone in the nearby vicinity died

odd orbit
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anyone know if the Blackfathom Sharpening Stones are worth using if you have a druid with wild strikes?

cloud shard
reef remnant
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Dumb question, where do lockboxes drop in SOD? Im only level 20 and havent seen any in dungeons but ive leveled lockpicking seems useless atm

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BFD?

plush glacier
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I've pick pocketed a few and found one chest in bfd

opaque vortex
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Lockpicking was only for getting deadly brew or envenom (whatever it was) silly

stuck quartz
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Helo guys, i got a question : Im a playing the backstab slash saber build, i drop the honed stiletto of power, my second weapong should meteor dagger or Cruel barb ?

plush glacier
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I would always go fast OH so dagger

upbeat bear
earnest ibex
opaque vortex
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mut wants deadly brew which backstab does not play

earnest ibex
# opaque vortex mut wants deadly brew which backstab does not play

u take mutilate for when u cant backstab, u take it over saberslash bc u shouldnt put any pts into combat sinisterstrike, u can go ss but mutilate will give better combo pt regen and u shouldnt ever be in a position not to backstab let alone for 3 abilities if u want maximum dps so saber slash bleed does not matter

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opportunity also gives more dmg with mutilate which ure using 5 talent pts on

opaque vortex
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just backstab goes 2 in impd ss because the bleed is good value and 3/5 opportunity

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if you're backstabbing you already have no poisons (sfts over deadly brew)

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so taking mutilate also is griefing

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you're just straight up missing the extra +20% from deadly brew

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can't get deadly poison without it

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better to grab improved sinister strike for 40cost if you have to be in front and get a sweet 18dps bleed @ 3 stacks

earnest ibex
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ah yes, use a build thats already a weak option, instead of putting pts into what gives u dmg, put pts into an ability u shouldnt be using anyways unless u fuck up, why didnt i think of this, you're just smarter ig

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better hit the mob from infront 3 times using 120 energy so i can get that SWEET bleed while using a backstab build

opaque vortex
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bro with opportunity and backstab you're already in front = mutilate is getting no extra combat mods

earnest ibex
opaque vortex
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which means it's strictly worse

opaque vortex
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you play one or the other but not both

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mutilate commits fully into poisons+mut

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backstab plays a hybrid because backstab does a fucking ton of damage but hey maybe you aren't always behind target in which case it's a small price to pay to gain extra damage to cut your losses

earnest ibex
opaque vortex
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Why are you hitting mutilate from behind in backstab build

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Can you not understand that you would only ever press mutilate because you're in front?

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That's the underlying assumption of this whole debate

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You take saber slash because it's better than mutilate when you can't hit backstab

earnest ibex
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i'm not, ive learned ur wisdom and have taken crucial pts away from my already weak backstab build into saberslash, im currently standing infront of the boss using 120 energy to get that SWEET SWEET 3x saber slash bleed dmg in, i was going to go around and hit it with a few stabs but u know what, my bleeds bout to run out so i might as well refresh, after all, i did put pts into it instead of backstab dmg, i gotta utilize that

opaque vortex
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I don't think you can actually read so that was a not fun waste of my time

earnest ibex
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I had a great time, lots of laughs, thanks

spice drum
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Like be arrogant or ignorant. Being both is a disaster

earnest ibex
spice drum
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You were being toxic before he even said that man

earnest ibex
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so you thought i was being toxic using sarcasm, saw him directly insult me and decided i was the whole problem ?

spice drum
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Man you gotta go outside

earnest ibex
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ur response to a genuine question was to again, insult me? yeah, my b ig

odd copper
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yo, got a classic build question

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have been using honed tarkwater talwar in main hand since first clear as i literally got my bis sword on my first run, and just got chipped bite of sera'kis

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been using a cross dagger on off hand for hte stats and cause its a decent 1.3 speed dagger, should i bother using sera'kis in main hand as its a lot slower than the cross dagger but its got way more damage, should i use it until i get the dagger from Aku'mai to drop or am i better sticking with cross dagger?

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wanting to stick with the sword in mainhand cause i can't really be fucked with a dagger or backstab build but looking for some advice to get most out of the build

earnest ibex
# odd copper been using a cross dagger on off hand for hte stats and cause its a decent 1.3 s...

nice! i got the bis dagger from it but not the sword yet, i'd try the chipped bite next and look at ur wow logs to see the dps difference in poison, general consesus is faster OH for sure buttt no one has cranked the #s on it yet so best to just try it out and share ur findings with us :] u dont have to set the conditions for a perfect test, but just seeing how much more ur poisons are being applied should give a general idea, im betting the bite will yield better results > though i dont think deadly poison will apply from dagger passive as its rogue poisons only

odd copper
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we logged the run i just did and i think i did like 2 bosses with the dagger and a couple of the last ones with the sword

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yeah so i parsed like a 70 on kelris which is a bit shit as i'm like the dedicated kicker for melee dps for that boss and i used the cross dagger, so what i'll do is i'll run the dagger next week on that boss and the ones after to see if my parse has improved

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that was with blackfathom deep world buff, instant poison, agility buff whatever buffs preists and pallys can cast shit like that

earnest ibex
odd copper
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should've been up we have a druid as well

earnest ibex
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and bfd sharpening stone ?

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2% hit is huge

odd copper
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thought they didn't stack with instant poisons?

earnest ibex
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dont use instant poisons on wep

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deadly rune makes it so u dont need to, same proc rate

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main hand dont apply anything use wild strikes

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off hand use sharpening stone for 2%

odd copper
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so basically i only need crippling poisons for pvp instant poisons are just shit rn cause of deadly brew

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and i'll use sharpening stones next week

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we only had blackfathom buffs we had darkmoon faire last week and i think i hit like a 89 i think

earnest ibex
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if u use sharpening stones next week but didnt this

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its gon be a huge diff btw

odd copper
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okayokayokay

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i think the 70 on kelris was my best parse tonight which is really shit overall but it was a super chill run

earnest ibex
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so the tests gon be meh, id recc just using ur stones and everything, go with the chipped dagger and hf :] shinier items are always more fun to use

odd copper
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i'm hoping that the cross dagger will drop one week cause i'm the only rogue so i am just guarenteed it if it drops cause it is apparently rthe better off hand but less damage than serakis, i'll try remember to report back on sunday

earnest ibex
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at the end of the day

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ur biggest dps diff will come from decision making and up time

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the bosses arent mechanically hard so it comes down to how well u manage ur slice n dice, energy and mainhand swing timer uses

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thatll give u the biggest dps diff imo

odd copper
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yeah

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we got it down to a 55 minute clear tonight and last run we really struggled with kelris and there were no wipes tonight which is nice

earnest ibex
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i did 30k dmg to akumai last time wo wild strikes n tanking at the end and got a 76% parse, got a 96% on a boss I barely did the highest dmg in, even tho i was fuming at akumai parse, parses are based off the raid team as much your own skill so i wouldnt worry bout em too much

earnest ibex
odd copper
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my friends never focus the fucking ads on akumai so i gotta deal with those when we pull lul

earnest ibex
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yooooooo

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thats the worst LOL

odd copper
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same with the murloc boss

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so i'm running around fucking my dps while they nuke it

earnest ibex
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bro, between u and me, "hitting the ads" - me as i 100% focus the boss

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if we wipe, eh, unlucky huh

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we gotta work on our rotations 💪 lets get that SD uptime to 100%, everything else don matter

odd copper
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my gear for the best "performing" pull btw

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i keep forgetting to sort out the best enchants but at this stage of the game its like a +2 agility or like +2 strength enchant

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me being an idiot

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had this and then insta disenchanted it cause for whatever reason thought the pvp head piece had better stats which is does NOT

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was quite drunk too but really only lost out on 9 stam, i only rolled on it in the first place cause our druid literally already had it and we had no other leather wearers

earnest ibex
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u can def improve on some of the gear tho

odd copper
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i'm kinda sorted for gear i don't have the time to farm out 100 leatherworking and get my epic gloves, needing the neck to drop, the twilight slayer's cowl and the vampiric boot knife from raid

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and the chest from the raid too

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wait no i'm stupid the feet are really good too

earnest ibex
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is deftkin belt only avail to horde ?

odd copper
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i think so

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i got dragged into alliance

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bgs are a nightmare bro

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fuck this faction i miss my undead racial

wraith parcel
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100 leatherworking takes no time whatsoever, you just buy all the items from AH and its like 1-2g total

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Buying the mats for the quest is a lot more expensive than leveling lw

earnest ibex
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bgs will be a nightmare regardless trust me, i ended up making my own premade of 10, i invited 5 hunters, 2 priests, 2 druids

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unloseable

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its easy to make a premade

earnest ibex
odd copper
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my like motivation to grind away professions and gold like goes down horrendously tho whenever i hit endgame in classic

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i find it way easier to play endgame retail

wraith parcel
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Idk is it really a grind if it takes 5 minutes of being afk

odd copper
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i'm just talking like in general overall lol

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i'm just looking forward to phase 2 a lot more i can sink 12 hours a day into teh game easy

earnest ibex
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i would recc switching ur gloves for pilferers gloves if u dont wanna do leatherworking

odd copper
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outside of like the endgame of classic

earnest ibex
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they're cheap and give 8 agility

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switch out the ring for the pvp ring too

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i mean a lot of improvements but honestly

odd copper
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what from silverwing sentinels?

earnest ibex
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bfds too easy so its w.e

earnest ibex
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idk what alliance side are called

odd copper
earnest ibex
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for me it was the legionaires band 4+4 agility and strength

odd copper
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protectors band then

earnest ibex
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mhm

odd copper
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i think i need honoured with them as well

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i'm like 1k rep past friendly i think

earnest ibex
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u can just afk in ashen yeah

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its p easy

odd copper
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do blizz like afk marcos that keep me running in circles

earnest ibex
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only if u need something to go for tho, ure fine til next phase lol

odd copper
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i remember it worked on classic release to stop getting around queues

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was 2019 tho

earnest ibex
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i wouldnt do macros

odd copper
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yh thought so

earnest ibex
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it takes 30 mins to get dced

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id just hit spacebar or w.e whenever

odd copper
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my will to play this game starts to dwindle past levelling and getting a couple pieces of gear lul

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i'll probably only be logging for raid at this point

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i'm not an alt enjoyer like i really don't like doing alts wow clasic endgame is already kinda poo for me so being locked at 25 is still kinda like meh for me

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outside of when guildies are online

earnest ibex
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yup, just play a bit every week n enjoy~

odd copper
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you using any servers for premade btw for bgs or you just advertising in general in ashenvale?

earnest ibex
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get the lfg board addon

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i usually dont advertise, i just inv ppl lookin for groups

odd copper
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thats actually a really good idea

earnest ibex
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so u do have to be tryharding a little w premades

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most of em wont join anyways, just a couple goes a long way

fickle vapor
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Hey, if im using Saber slash, would i still learn Sinister Strike rank 3 at the trainer? or does it not improve its dmg

odd copper
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yup

fickle vapor
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Yes i read that, didnt know if it included learning the new ranks though

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but thats great thanks

odd copper
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i mean your gna level sinister strike anyway once you get gold it'll be cheap asf

fickle vapor
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So i learned Sinister Strike rank 3, but none of the numbers on saber slash increased?

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the 4 bleed damage stayed the same

odd copper
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its the actual casting it the damage of that goes up

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not the bleed

fickle vapor
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your screenshot says 10 dmg though, how did that go up?

odd copper
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oh i guess the bleed does go up lul

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cause i've got rank 4 sinister strike

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mb

fickle vapor
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nps 😄 ty

odd copper
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i've got 3 points in lethality and improved sinister strike as well

plucky sundial
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are we allowed to discuss sod here i didnt see a deticated channel

odd copper
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no one is playing hardcore or wrath classic rn lul

plucky sundial
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do you have to craft piosons in classic or can i just buy them?

wraith parcel
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All runes scale with your level, not with any rank of any other spell

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(and spell/attack power usually)

upbeat bear
upbeat bear
versed plover
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SOD-anyone tried both swords (deadly brew/envenom) and backstab build with daggers (slaughter from the shadows)? is there any noticeable difference in DPS?

odd copper
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yeah i was about to ask what are people running for pvp? i really cannot be fucked with the imp backstab and then having to go farm sfk for meteor strike to have the bis 2 daggers for phase 1 when i've already got my bis sword and serakis for offhand and i'm just running combat spec with the imp backstab put into something else, as far as i understand your burst really isn't as good with a sword and dagger but i've still been doing a decent bit of damage running that but i'm wondering if mutilate with 2 daggers and imp backstab is better overall

drifting lintel
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Reduced backstab energy, shadowstrike and BTE. 0/14/2 (not riposte). BFD dagger + black fang (cheap boe dagger),double crippling. I absolutely demolish.

drifting lintel
unborn quiver
# drifting lintel Are you certain?

once the bleed is stacked at 3, saber slash does 100% weapon damage and SS does 100% weapon damage + x (depending on rank) for the same energy cost

kindred wagon
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Dot can drop off. Immediate huge dps loss. For minor gain.

sturdy vine
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yeah just saber slash any target that can bleed

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otherwise (baron) use backstab

bleak python
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anyone have a good reference for the shadowtrike gloveswap macro?

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saw a good youtube video with it but can't find it anymore

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or is it just as simple as /equip -> /cast -> /equip

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the first one i saw was more involved

odd copper
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its super inconsistent, half the time it works fine, half the time the gloves don't properly swap and your sat spamming what would be your saber slash bind when you still have the shadowstrike ones equiped, or at least it was for me when i tried it in a bg

odd copper
odd copper
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cause i'm at the point rn where i was like set on playing double daggers throughout until i see all these rogues running around with cruel barb in the first 4 days of sod, and now i've literally got the bis mainhand sword for rogues and bis main hand dagger for rogue and i''ve like 0 clue with what i'm going to stick with

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cause it sounds stupid but if i'm gonna choose double swords, double daggers or one of each i wanna make that decision and stick with it and not like regret it when i find one is better than the other and i gotta change my whole fucking setup and talents constantly and look for new items to have to farm for and its just rly annoying lul

upbeat bear
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Its very easy to keep bleed up and weave SS. More dmg is more dmg

daring tundra
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Question as i am just getting deadly brew... do you not want to run any poisons on your weap with that to allow it to proc? or ?

upbeat bear
daring tundra
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ty

coarse dirge
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bis weapon consumables with saber + feral druid with deadly brew would be just offhand BFD stone?

or can you proc instant if you have stone in OH?

hoary stream
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does the ranged weapon skill level impact the stun chances for BtE?

ornate oak
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With assa build, Deadly Brew rune, instant poison applied to both weapons, to improve dps in pve, at 5 combo points, is it better to Slice and Dice or Rupture or Envenom ?

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and is Lethality talent better than Improved Slice and Dice ?

drifting lintel
odd copper
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i've like played retail A LOT more than classic

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and the old talent system always fucks with me just cause you gotta respec and go to a dedicated vendor and go all over the cunt and rearrange shit to do a certain activity the best

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and in retail i just press n and change my talent preset

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so experimenting with builds compared to that is such a sludge for me

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been playing imp backstab with between the eyes slaughter from shadows and shadowstrike this mornign, 0/16/0 and its been like stupid fun this build literally 1 shots when you crit lmao

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its sm stronger than sword dagger in pvp which was what i was running before

drifting lintel
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Yeah with gear I've ambushed one hit people, seen some ambush into 2x backstab crits which just delete even leather

odd copper
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see my frustration with backstab builds was i always found it so fucking annoying to get the backstab just if i was like at the wrong angle of the player model or whatever but i think i'm gna start opening with abush if i don't absolutely need to open with shadowstrike

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i can't remember if it was a talent classic or retail, probably retail but wasn't there one that let you briefly use all your abilities that require stealth after you unstealthed for the first like 2 seconds or something?

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nah thats retail lmao

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idk why i thought that was in classic

odd copper
ornate oak
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I thought with Deadly Brew rune : if no poison then apply instant, if instant poison applied then apply deadly poison ? deadly poison do more damage than instant ? i'm wrong ? so no Envenom ? Envenom require deadly poison ?

odd copper
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you will proc instant poison off your envenom anyway

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literally says if you have no poison, it triggers instant poison as if instant poison were applied

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which then in turns applies deadly poison to let you proc envenom

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and in dungeons or raids apply sharpening stones for more damage

odd copper
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you really only need crippling poison for pvp and you won't be running deadly brew

ornate oak
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ok thanks

solid epoch
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is there any point in farming for trolls bane leggings?

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cant find any good place to do that as alliance

upbeat bear
bleak blaze
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What's the chill way to farm gold? Murloks?

tender sundial
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Imp Slice & Dice or Lethality? seeing conflicting info online

wraith parcel
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Imp snd, lethality blows

wispy rock
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hope i can ask here... which of those 3 should i use

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i assume protector + family seal and drop wrynn ?

hardy kindle
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Yup

jagged ether
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Is there a SoD pin somewhere with BIS that I'm missing? Trying to figure out which dagger is BIS for Saber Slash between Serra'kis, Boot Knife, and Sentinel's Blade

wispy rock
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dont u run cruel barb for saber slash ?

wraith parcel
jagged ether
jagged ether
solid epoch
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currently have cruel barb, mainhand, what would be the next big upgrade before raid (combat tank)

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seeing alot of differing opinions

main blade
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highest raw dps and the speed will help maintain deadly poison

jagged ether
jagged ether
oblique dawn
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Hey guys. I'm playing sub on Season of Discovery and im checking out the Icy Veins guide (https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-classic/subtlety-rogue-dps-season-of-discovery-pve-rotation-cooldowns-abilities) it tells me to get both mutilate and envenom but in the rotations tab you only use backstab and eviscerate?

Icy Veins
Season of Discovery Subtlety Rogue DPS Rotation, Cooldowns, and Abi...

Optimize your rotation and cooldowns to maximize the impact of your Subtlety Rogue DPS in WoW Classic's Season of Discovery, in PvE content.

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kinda confused about the breakpoints for when to envenom etc

jagged ether
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envenom if you have 5 stacks of deadly, evisc if you dont

modern elbow
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You guys would run outlaw sabre over the bfd sword?

oblique dawn
jagged ether
modern elbow
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You would run cruel barb over the bfd sword?

jagged ether
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no

modern elbow
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When you guys sell cobrahn can you master loot to someone at the front of the entrance?

bleak python
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ignore me missed that this was all about dagger rotation

spice drum
undone dust
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so, what 'consumables' should a rogue bring to BFD? Are sharp.stones worth it?

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and with a WS feral druid can I still use poison on MH?

bleak python
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FAP, BFD sharpening stone, food, agi pots

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tbh you should probably be running deadly brew so no poison on either hand and just BFD sharpening stone on offhand

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(thistle tea obv)

undone dust
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Aight

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thanks

bleak python
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to be clear the FAP is just for kelris phase 2

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makes you immune to shadow chains for the duration and makes the fight significantly easier

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if you're running precision the BFD sharpening stone is less necessary but after trying both heavy assassination and heavy combat builds the no precision assassination heavy build seems a lot better rn

undone dust
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don't have precision 🙂

bleak python
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yeah youll def want the 2% from sharpening stone at least then

undone dust
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thanks!

bleak python
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is there any good rune swap for deadly brew/saber slash/envenom swords build for aquanis? don't really see anything else worth swapping to, especially with how quick/easy that fight is

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might just accept that my dps is going to be shit for the 30s it takes to kill him lmao

nimble sleet
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its not gonna be shit. just keep same runes and do sinister strike instead of saber

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wait until gnomer when half the raid will be immune to bleeds and poison

jagged ether
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go slaughter and shadowstrike for baron

bleak python
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huh i wonder if you could vanish/shadowstrike from the water if you get depth charged

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might be worth trying

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slaughter is meaningless with a sword though

jagged ether
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yes you can

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just get a dagger for baron

bleak python
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yea i guess, he died in 30 seconds last night though so i'm not too worried about it lmao

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will def try that shadowstrike trick though next time

hoary stream
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do u gusy even use any finisher other thasn BtE in pvp?

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i feel like spamming BS is more dmg than even using evis

bleak python
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rupture if i want to put some more pressure on someone but BtE at least 80% of the time

finite mountain
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Yo, is envenimous bugged in SoD right now ?

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When I want to do it it says wrong target

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While he have all the dots

upbeat bear
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Envenom works fine for me

bleak blaze
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Run swaps got gutted or what?

jagged ether
#

is anybody else having issues with between the eyes just going on cooldown and dealing damage but not using combo points or stunning? doesn't say resisted or missed or anything, just seems to disappear into nothing

hoary stream
#

ADP

upbeat bear
nimble sleet
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yeah, always been like that. no resist / miss on bte

gentle rune
#

Anyone got a pic of the assa talent spec for those skipping out on precision?

magic herald
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Does someone know, if there is a macro for runes which is using the ability if "learned" otherwise another rune/ability?

wary zealot
#

Can we use sharpening stones with Deadly Brew rune or does it override posion application?

jagged ether
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you can use them

wary zealot
#

W rizz

heady galleon
#

What is the common way to go? Mainhand for wild strikes and offhand for 2% hit or poison instead?

livid palm
#

Hit

heady galleon
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tyvm

nimble sleet
hoary stream
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in WSG wats the best position for rogues? EFC killer, def, mid rampage?

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by best i mean typically most useful

devout escarp
#

so im questing. i am level 9. priest joins my group to farm murlok fins for a quest. hits level 9 after first mob we kill. by time we finished getting the fins the priest is 10 and im like 3/4 to 10....

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how did this guy level faster than me? lmao

hybrid bronze
bleak blaze
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Yep

hybrid bronze
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F

bleak blaze
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No wowhead mention too

hybrid bronze
#

not surprising i guess, was a bit broken

quartz cradle
remote wedge
#

Alight Does ANYBODY actually know if a fast offhand is a good idea for Rogue in classic ( or is it largly irrelevent in SOD ) ?

hardy kindle
hardy kindle
hardy kindle
weak cliff
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is whetstone better than WF?

hoary stream
#

if im playing BStab build for raid, is it worth using Saber to keep 3 stacks up or simply use Sinister?

vestal drift
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Does it work ? 😮

winged robin
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damn they hotfixed rune swapping. unfortunate

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was so fun while it lasted

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@hoary stream its worth I woul dsay

jagged ether
hoary stream
jagged ether
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No just spam BS and keep up SND

daring tundra
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For PVE, are we going down combat for the hit or we doing assass?

stoic mantle
#

Hey everyone.

I'm new to WoW as a whole and I'm struggling to understand "envenom" - I'm playing Season of discovery atm.

I got 5 combo points on a target, but envenom is blurred out and I can't use it. I thought this is combo points being spent? How does one put "doses" on an enemy to then spend it?

Thanks!

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daring tundra
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You need deadly brew rune

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deadly brew applies deadly poison

stoic mantle
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Is that mandatory for envenom to work? I guess that's the rune that even applies doses to begin with?

daring tundra
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yea

stoic mantle
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What about this?

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Would that work since its "poison"

daring tundra
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cripp doesnt count

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needs to be deadly brew to apply deadly poison

stoic mantle
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aah wow, well I hit level 20 just now so I might aswell work on getting deadly brew, thank you for the info!

stoic mantle
# daring tundra

"If your weapon does not have a poison applied, it has a chance to trigger instant poison"

Would crippling poison be bad to use with deadly brew for this reason? do we want it to trigger instant poison?

jagged ether
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for pve yes you want it to proc instant poison and leave you weapons open for windfury/sharpening stones

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so crippling would be bad for pve

stoic mantle
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I was under the impression crippling poison is an ability you unlock from the rogue trainer

daring tundra
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yeah, crippling is bad for pve

stoic mantle
#

is windfury sharpening a consumable?

jagged ether
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windfury is a buff from feral druid/shaman

daring tundra
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sharpening stones are a consuamble, windfury is .. wild strikes from druid buff right now in group

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or shamans but.. shammy dont have it yet

stoic mantle
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gotchaaa - so at all costs, I avoid crippling poison

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I won't even learn it in this case

hoary stream
#

did priests really need a aoe fear on a 30 sec CD

daring tundra
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cripp is for pve or if you need snares basically

hoary stream
#

playing rogue is actually grienfing your team in wsg

jagged ether
#

it does feel that way

drifting lintel
#

For PVP what are two BIS weps? double serrakis?

barren obsidian
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I'd say not serrakis, unless you go pvp with envenom

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cause this effectively disables your gouges with that random poison

wispy rock
craggy tulip
#

Does anyone have knowledge about the use of Saber Slash and Sinister Strike, why does some rogues use Sinister Strike in the rotation with Saber Slash?

#

Is spamming Saber Slash refreshing the dot a bad thing?

bleak blaze
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Huh. Well I guess it makes sense.

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If you have full dots already - sinister strike packs additional damage with it.

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While saber just refreshes.

barren obsidian
bleak blaze
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It's 100% tho.

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Tooltip was bugged, no?

barren obsidian
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well yes, plus 15, while saber is 130%

bleak blaze
#

Saber slash is also 100.

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They fixed the tooltip.

barren obsidian
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oh so it was always 100% lmao

bleak blaze
#

Yep.

barren obsidian
#

so yeah, that's why they weave sinister in 😄

bleak blaze
#

I honestly just spammed saber slash, lol. Would need to fix that...

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Haven't even though about the extra dam on sinister.

fierce flume
#

hey guys
can someone pls help me decide which weapon to use as an OH?
Currently I'm using a cross dagger with +10 ap, but in our last BFD Gusting Wind dropped and nobody wanted it, so the leader gave it to me
the gusting wind has a lot more base dmg but lacks any other stat, and I don't know if that 10ap matters that much to ignore the base dmg increase

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barren obsidian
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honestly, I believe that 10 AP is inferior, as quick math says that 10 attack power is an 0.7 dps increase just on the weapons damage, I imagine with classic stats being low in general it probably does not impact greatly your skills either. Unless you're playing mutilate build Gusting Wind is probably an increase on average

fierce flume
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hmm, ty mate
looks like i will have to test this out tomorrow, life is hard without a sim parse

barren obsidian
#

truly parse. Given the 50% damage penalty on OH, the chance on hit can be treated as a windfury because 15 damage is basically an another attack so I'd be really surprised if you find the dagger superior

bleak blaze
#

Man rune swap fix makes me sadge.

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Makes saber slash pvp build kinda suck without shadowstrike.

bleak barn
#

I hear that, saber slash feels so bad now without the shadowstrike open in pvp

bleak blaze
#

Wait

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Does mut goes on cd as well?

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Haven't tested it.

bleak barn
#

yes

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i was running a swords build with saber slash/shadowstrike, im going to need daggers now for mutilate/ambush with shadowstrike as saber slash is now trash tier for pvp

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it was such a mistake by blizzard to put shadowstrike on the same glove slot as all our damage runes

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feels so bad

wraith parcel
#

Nothing changed about saber slash besides being able to dwarf it of though

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So if you thought it was ok before theres no reason it should be trash tier now

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But also its a fair tradeoff to have to choose between utility/mobility (shadowstrike) or damage (mut/saber), good design where you want both options

bleak barn
#

well jut play daggers and you do get both options

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as backstab is still really good in pvp

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sword just not viable in pvp now

edgy monolith
#

anyone got a Revenge WA that actually works?

stuck quartz
#

@edgy monolith Revenge ? riposte you mean ?

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Does anyone have a good pvp build to share ? im new as rogue and i dont know what i should run ! thx !

last wolf
#

I have the leech 1.3 dagger and find that with crippling posion on it... shiv is super good in wsg. You just spam shiv to get up 5 stacks of deadly then go back to sinister strike with a good mh weapon. You always have a slow extra... using brew on chest and bte on legs.

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Its good dmg and normally top kills

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I think shiv is undervalued in pvp honestly. You get full poisons rolling plus fast cps for max btes

somber flume
#

Is this the chat to talk about Rogue in SoD ?

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I guess it would be the same as Classic

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Never played Rogue before neither Classic

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I have very good levels of adaptation so catching up to Rogue mechanics won't be an issue

bleak python
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sword/riposte is still very strong in pvp without shadowstrike, it's just a different playstyle

somber flume
#

Although I wonder how is Rogue compared vs other classes in terms of PvP both World, 3vs3, BG and PvE World PvE, Raid, Duegons

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Thanks and sorry if this is wrong chat

bleak python
#

the shiv/brew idea sounds interesting but i can't see how it's better than QD and BtE for pvp

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those two seem like must haves

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how much damage does 5 stacks of deadly tick for to offset using shiv as opposed to backstab or saber?

last wolf
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Dont have the numbers (and it depends on your AP) but deadly is generally very high on my dmg recount and I kill targets pretty quick. Just spamming a slow is really nice. You take down druids easily.

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And also since shiv is 28 energy, fast cps for bte

bleak python
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how much energy is shiv with a quick weapon?

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ah nice

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yeah

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worth a try, i have that dagger too

last wolf
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I ran it all yesterday and it was super fun

bleak python
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i also have the talwar though so that's giving up big saber slash hits, hmm

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i'll fool around with both builds next time i'm grinding wsg

last wolf
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i still use ss a lot. you just shiv to get slow up and 5 stacks of deadly

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you stack deadly super fast

bleak python
#

oh wait that's right saber slash isn't 130 anymore either

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yeah

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i also keep thinking saber slash strikes with both weapons but that's just mut

last wolf
#

i honestly just wish sod had dual specs. i think i am at the trainer daily lol.

bleak python
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yeah i capped out my respec cost a while ago lmao

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at least it's only 1g

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but that still adds up when i'm respeccing 2-3 times a day

last wolf
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i tried some tanking... felt so energy starved in a dung, it was horrible. i think you will need insane haste.

bleak python
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it's fun but not great with a lot of adds

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think it'd be a good offtank for swaps on BFD bosses

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but trash and regular dungeons better off letting someone with some aoe take it

last wolf
#

yeah, too hard to tab target and ss.

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probably op for last 2nd phase of last boss, you basically have 100% avoidance

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with evasion

bleak python
#

yeah think you could get away without needing to swap second phase if you play it right

sick parcel
#

Have you guys found any rogue specific money makers, or are you aware of any? I’m currently gearing up a hunter alt, and I feel like my life is just a lot easier as hunter ^_^

uneven arch
#

so when you go sword for sinister strike while leveling MH do you go sword OH too? using the class quest dagger rn

bleak python
#

I will say I seemed to have an easier time farming hillsbrad murlocs solo than the hunters around me

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but it required a good amount of consumable/CD usage to deal with the multiple pulls

hoary stream
#

if i make a mouseover macro for gouge, will it reset my combo points?

frail mural
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Yes

hoary stream
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doe sit count as switching targets?

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F

frail mural
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Unfortunately all mouse over stuff does that in classic

hoary stream
#

doodoo game

frail mural
#

Yeah it makes the tank builds pretty much useless outside of bosses

bleak python
#

being about to mouse over riposte alone would be enough blizz pls

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when tanking multiple so far I've just got in the habit of swapping targets every time I hit blade dance, but it still feels like ass

jovial zephyr
modern elbow
#

I'm a clam diver like my father and his father before him

sick parcel
modern elbow
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2 chests every 30min plus maybe 10 clams and 3 stranglekelp

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Gotta have a cleared lockout

sick parcel
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Can I do it after clearing the raid?

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Oh so I have to clear the raid to have access?

jovial zephyr
#

From my understanding, best is 6/7 cleared but you can get some from 5/7 maybe even 4/7 cleared.

sick parcel
#

Is there a video on it or something? Sounds interesting

jagged ether
bleak python
#

wait chests respawn in a cleared BFD?!

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i knew about the clams but damn

sick parcel
#

are these clams static things you pick up, or by killing trash respawn?

bleak python
#

or is it just chests that the raid missed

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clams spawn in the water, lootable items

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trash shouldn't respawn in a cleared raid

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about to go check on the chests right awway lol

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huge if they respawn

last wolf
frozen inlet
bleak python
modern elbow
bleak python
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daaaamn

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yeah headed there right now then lmao

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that's huge

modern elbow
#

I thought this was widely known lol?

bleak python
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lol maybe it is but i haven't really played since cata

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i knew the clams respawned but didn't think it was worth it just for them

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clams + chests though...

modern elbow
#

I hot lucky in my clams yesterday

bleak python
#

now if only i was a dwarf instead of a gnome

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or do the chests have fixed spawn locations

modern elbow
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Fixed

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Usually 1 in the last water area one in the halls by murloc

bleak python
#

oof thought reset was tomorrow not today

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guess i need to wait

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just got myself a lockout id from zoning in too F

somber flume
#

whats meta build for rogue right now ?

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for dmg ?

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or in my case lvling up what would you recommend using ?

bleak python
#

deadly brew/saber slash/envenom is top raid dps rn

brave mountain
#

what was the strat on aquanis

bleak python
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leveling go with whatever you like

solid epoch
#

Hi, i need some help with my macro. What i want to achieve is that when i Cast "tease/taunt" i want to saysome silly insult to literally Tease my target. The idea of this is what peaked my interest of rogue tanking in the first place. Im currently using /cast Tease
/say %t yo mama

modern elbow
#

Aquanis I think you go daggers and backstab or suffer

bleak python
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shadowstrike for aquanis should be nice if you have to go in the water

solid epoch
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but then i say yo mama even iv Tease never got used if i was out of range etc

bleak python
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honestly the fight lasts 30 seconds so i'm not even going to bother swapping my weapons/bars for backstab but will def try shadowstrike

somber flume
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for rogue

bleak python
#

undead has a way to break fear right? that's very strong in pvp rn

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and cannibalize is always good for leveling/grinding

somber flume
#

hm ye I see your point

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guess I am making undead then xD

bleak python
#

rogues don't get axes in classic so orc isn't as good as it would be otherwise

somber flume
#

I see, I wouldn't know never played Classic this is my first Classic experience in SoD

modern elbow
#

Orc female master race

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Cuz they look the best

somber flume
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I made male

modern elbow
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Grosssss

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Delete and repeat my friend

somber flume
#

imagine female warlock with incubus

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LOL

dark kite
#

Anyone ever had an issue subscribing to wow ? I've used 3 different credit cards (with money on it yes) yet the payment wont be able to go through for whatever reason, it says there was an error.

modern elbow
#

3 different credit cards? Do they all have the same name 🤣

dark kite
#

why that ?

velvet token
#

as someone who NEVER played classic, how do i play it? i wanna get into SoD

dark kite
somber flume
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ah man

dark kite
somber flume
#

boys I came to the hardest part of the whole game

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the name ...

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idk what to name my rogue xD

chilly ferry
somber flume
brave mountain
#

should we open with garrote or saber slash?

bleak python
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open with garrote

brave mountain
#

thought so

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do you instantly S&D

bleak python
#

better yet macro pickpocket with garrote and open with the macro

brave mountain
#

or use the energy for saber slash

bleak python
#

i usually go garrote -> 1x SS -> SnD

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but you can also just go straight to SnD

foggy bobcat
#

It should be noted that you want to open with garrote if you can but not worth it if you are losing uptime on the boss because you are slowly waddling your way to the boss in stealth.

bleak python
#

yeah the DPS gain is minimal, if you can't open right after pull just stay out of stealth and open with SS

brave mountain
#

cool, ty

bleak python
#

i usually just use sprint in stealth to get the opener

velvet token
bleak python
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you kill mobs and complete quests to level up and get gear

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once you hit max level you raid for better gear

somber flume
#

there u go thats my name now xD

image.png
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simple xD

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to lvl up fast should I follow rested xp guide

foggy bobcat
#

Special characters are the worst

somber flume
#

or is there another way ?

foggy bobcat
#

Follow the arrow

somber flume
#

is there such thing as boost ?

foggy bobcat
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No

somber flume
#

might ask some guild mates

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oh

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so I gotta lvl to 25 solo

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damn

weak cliff
#

should i be using winfury mainhand/whetstone offhand in bfd? or double whetstone

frail mural
#

Especially if you're running deadly brew

bleak python
#

yeah hit isn't huge for BFD

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if you really want to be yellow capped just go precision spec

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but i specced out of precision for the last run and damage seemed way better

frail mural
#

Precision feels nice not missing but feels ass otherwise.

weak cliff
#

alright ty friends

frail mural
#

I only use it in my backstab pvp sprc

bleak python
#

yeah you give up a lot of good talents and waste 3 talent points to get precision for pve

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14/2/0 is what i've been liking for raiding

frail mural
#

You could probably do this wonky 2 point precision 1 whetstone off hand and 3/3 tier if you're BIS for hit cap

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Or gloves from lw

velvet token
bleak python
#

you're asking how to play a 20 year old game that you've played for 4 years

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of course you're going to get sarcasm

sick parcel
#

which one would you use for mutilate in off-hand?

image.png
bleak python
#

you don't need to be told how to play classic, it's still wow

velvet token
bleak python
sick parcel
#

really? even with the lower min-max dmg?

velvet token
#

cause retail dont have bows and arrows for warrs etc

frail mural
#

Mutilate is on the normalizer so it does scale offhand hit to 1.8

bleak python
#

assuming you're still running deadly brew/envenom

sick parcel
#

I am running the full poison. So.. a faster offhand isn't worse for mutilate?!

frail mural
#

Also meteor shard proc is shit

frail mural
sick parcel
#

aaaah so theoretically if it had the same dps on a 1.8 speed it would have been better, because higher min-max, right?

bleak python
#

i think the poison applications would still outweigh a few extra points of damage

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1.3 speed is going to get you a lot more deadly stacks than 1.8

frail mural
#

Somewhat, but remember you'd be giving up .5 attacks per second of chances of instant poison and instant poison damage is actually important right now

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I kind of want to try mutilate in raid. I did about 100 DPS with no consumes in stockades last night

chilly ferry
somber flume
#

man I make undead you not happy I choose my name you not happy

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starting to sound like my ex bro

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LOL

chilly ferry
somber flume
chilly ferry
#

It just shows a lack of creativity

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For example my rogue is named Bignutcracka, no Alt codes

somber flume
#

yes apologies Picasso.

chilly ferry
#

You could have tried Naitinator

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Naitdagrait

somber flume
#

that's ...

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cringe

chilly ferry
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Deeznaits

somber flume
#

ok

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thats not bad

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LOL

sweet socket
#

GnomeRogan

hoary stream
#

are rogues good FCs? i thought wed be squishy as hell

jagged ether
#

decent if you have cooldowns up, pretty much the same as anybody else otherwise

bleak python
#

rogue is good at getting the flag to the actual FC

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but should only be running full field if it's a stomp or your team doesn't have good comp

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going to be better in the hands of a druid or shaman 99% of the time

sweet socket
#

is Aku'mai a beast?

hoary stream
#

serrakis + barb OR serrakis + sentinals blade FOR backstab build?

jagged ether
#

feelscrafting here but sentinel OH probably better for more poison and the general dps gain

hoary stream
#

yeah i also felt that

#

does anyone know which addon people are using to callout efc hp% in wsg?

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typically it states below 50% from what i can tell

atomic bolt
#

Anyone else have an issue where they can't use a gun? It's equipped, ammo is slotted. Bow and arrows work

bleak python
bleak python
#

there's a separate shoot ability for bows vs guns with the same icon

atomic bolt
upbeat bear
hoary stream
#

does having double crips increase slow chance?

upbeat bear
hoary stream
#

idk i feel like i can kill anyone just need a slow

#

to proc

tranquil lynx
#

how do we deal with eternal drain life?

jagged ether
#

wait for level 40 and hope we can kill a tank spec lock then

lament ruin
#

When SOD season 2 drops, would we have to start a new character, or would we level our 25 to 40?

uneven arch
#

same char

daring tundra
#

Is there a difference between proc chance of having deadly brew with no poisons on weps vs having instant on both and brew equipped?

weak cliff
#

9agi +4 str vs 22AP what do you guys think?

daring tundra
#

Each agi is what. 2 ap? Each str 1?

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So comparable if you don't have any stat debuff?

weak cliff
#

agi 1 ap

earnest ibex
#

i need some help doing rfk solo

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i keep pulling multiple targents even when using bows/guns, saps and distract

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anyone got any tips ?

raven snow
#

What are you soloing there?

earnest ibex
#

the trash

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gold farm

raven snow
#

Ahh okay, damn maybe i need to do that lol.

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I been trying to sell stockade rare drops.

earnest ibex
#

its not very efficient compared the other farms apparently but

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its fun

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:]

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like i said, every fight is a near death battle lmao

raven snow
#

Oh damn

proven fjord
#

how often am i using envenom ? i feel most of my combo points go to re applying rupture by the time i get 4-5 combo points back

nimble sleet
#

only with 5 cp + 5 deadly poison stacks on target

proven fjord
#

kk

cloud shard
#

I thought we do snd /envenom instead of rupture

tough tapir
#

Rupture if there's mangle on target

bleak python
#

so vampire knife is probably a better sword OH than chipped bite right?

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2 dps vs .5 attack speed on OH?

bleak python
#

it was definitely worth switching to backstab for aquanis, 162.6 dps despite being specced for swords/SS

inner dawn
#

guys what is the rotation/prio that the top parsing rogues use? i see they only use snd and saber slash and if snd is bis are they speccing into it with 2 points?

bleak python
#

SnD > saber stacks > deadly stacks is the prio

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if you're maximizing all those you shouldn't have much else to worry about, to really max it out use sinister > saber when you can afford to without losing the 3 stacked bleed. and bank energy before envenom to apply deadly stacks faster

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i'm running 14/2/0 with 3/3 improved SnD

hardy kindle
#

When your deadly stacks are bad and got 5pts, rupture or evi?

jagged ether
#

do you have mangle and will it finish ticking? rupture
otherwise, evisc

devout escarp
#

Got sick of always missing after getting DW. Got a hunter to 10 and it’s light years easier leveling with a pet 😂

bleak python
#

don't have the math to confirm but I think getting to 5 stacks asap is going to do more damage in the long run than a single evisc or rupture, deadly is usually my third highest damage ability on most bosses

wraith python
spring vector
#

hi guys, im new here, is this a channel to discuss sod?

bleak python
spring vector
#

do I need 5 points on precision with any build? I dont know how important is hit rating and how much

bleak python
#

I've had a difference in gear too so I'm sure that's a factor but I've been liking my damage much better with 14/2/0 than when I was specced into precision

spring vector
#

i planning to run mutilate, but if I remember well daggers have the worst hit rating. Ive noticed a big difference for when I have precision or not, a lot of hits get missed without it

dark kite
#

Am i the only one who wish they added dual spec ?

wraith python
#

would be nice, but it's not like respeccing is that expensive, doesnt it cap out at 1g?

bleak python
#

yeah but that's still an annoyance and adds up

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plus the cap will likely go up next phase

dark kite
#

it's more the having to go to a city before I can say to myself lets do some pvp

wraith python
#

would be nice to just be able to be in pvp spec in the open world anyways

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^^

spring vector
dark kite
#

but if I had to respec everytime i had the urge to jump in for some pvp action, i'd definetely be broke right now

daring tundra
bleak python
#

no I'm a gnome but I'm using sharpening stone

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the problem with precision right now is needing to burn 3 talent points to get it

supple totem
#

what's the best spec to play for leveling on woltk?

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as rogue

light light
#

is there a separate disc for wotlk rogue stuff?

supple totem
#

idk i saw classic discusion and i thought its about woltk too

bleak python
#

yeah dont think this one is explicitly one or the other, just more people talking about sod rn

coral portal
#

Hiya, this has probably been discussed a ton but I'm not seeing a pin or anything; is there any kind of spreadsheet for SoD rogues at the moment? I've seen a few different "recommended" talent builds going around and I wasn't sure if there was anyone running spreadsheets yet to see the differences

gentle perch
#

what's the premier pve spec if you have chipped bite and boot knife? I was using a sword/dagger with saber slash but SS doesn't feel great with daggers. Combat backstab or still Assassination?

spice drum
coral portal
#

nothing for comparing talent builds though?

vital bear
#

Anyone know if Mindnumbing works on Kelris?

worldly slate
#

Nope

junior sundial
#

How does windfury interact with offhands? BF sharpening stones seem like they'd be pretty nice.

#

I guess my question is should we use the stone on our offhand.

odd copper
#

yo, anyone able to have a quick look at these logs and tell me why the fuck my parse was so horrible on majority of bfd bosses tonight lmao, i'm hte only rogue in the raid

https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AVmXkrY2bgtNWFpq

had blackfathom sharpening stone on offhand, world buffs, wild strikes, attack power buffs and all that shit, didn't bother with any agility/stam pots as we just do more casual runs but i'm always looking to improve, only fuck up was on kelris when a random who we invited fucked up the phase 2 mechanic and killed our tank, any advice is apprecaited, i'm decently geared and there was some bosses i parsed like really REALLY shit on whereas last week my best parse was like an 80 or 85

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literally only talent change compared to last week was 2 points in imp SND instead of murder as i was using a slower offhand compared to last week, i understand that as time goes on the average gear of rogues is going to get better and i'm still missing my bis ring and the neck from silverwing sentinels which i should be getting soon as i couldn't be fucked doing battle for ashenvale before they buffed rep gains

deep cedar
#

better +1 agi or +2 str

craggy tulip
junior sundial
#

Thanks Michael.

drifting zealot
#

Does anyone know why when I use the Beetwen the Eyes stun in pvp, it doesn't stun? I don't even get a resist

open harbor
#

Am i high or did saber slash used to do 130% of weapon damage?

craggy tulip
craggy tulip
open harbor
#

Do scopes on ranged weapons increase BTE/quick shot damage?

craggy tulip
deep cedar
#

better +1 agi or +2 str

craggy tulip
open harbor
drifting zealot
#

ty

craggy tulip
deep cedar
burnt elk
#

what do you guys think will be strongest oh for pve rogue (sword mh) Chipped Bite of Serra'kis or Vampiric Boot Knife? Im thinking Vampiric Boot Knife because of speed (while still maintaining high dps and proc rate)

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(running brew, envenom, SS)