#classic-discussion

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mystic crypt
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But so far it's like 1min20sec flying each way. Banging one mob takes like a minute and buying w/e on the AH so it's not gonna take THAT long

vague comet
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you aiming for specific boxes?

mystic crypt
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Bronze bar

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i just take what i get

vague comet
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ahh

river island
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my first one 3 leather vests gave 450

winter temple
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Isn't EP level 50 lolwot

river island
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i think that one is fake

limpid drift
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anyone knows where main Gauche is?

winter temple
abstract creek
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questliine at 20 in rachet

sick torrent
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@mystic cryptwhere do you farm boxes? some ppl have been complaining that they are getting too many, i have gotten like 5 total

mystic crypt
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I just go sentinel hill and kill random mobs

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But i giga high rolled first times, this time i've killed like 10 for a box

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Just need a place where u can get to fast with mobs lvl 12+ it seems like

winter temple
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Wait

river island
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what about stockades in sw

winter temple
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we get a rune from boxes?

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I'm so lost

river island
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yea flesh wound from rep from turning in boxes

winter temple
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From like a vendor?

river island
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yeah at honored they sell 1 rune for every class for rogue its flesh

mystic crypt
winter temple
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just as I am about to hit 16 too

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so good timing I guess that I can start working on that now

river island
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can anyone recommend a profession to farm up the ~15gs to get these runes

winter temple
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just buy mats for them, no?

river island
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yeah i need gold to buy that and the runes

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i have 1g lvl 18 😦

mystic crypt
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i've spammed dungs like deadmines for gold

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selling BOEs and stuff

robust blaze
river island
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that seems good

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rogue tank better be worth this trouble (famous last words)

mystic crypt
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yeah i hope

robust blaze
mystic crypt
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not many other reasons to invite us so

robust blaze
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i mean, parry-haste will be huge

mystic crypt
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worry about aoe threat

robust blaze
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pre 25? only with engineer

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and this will be hard for us, coz we cant dodge or parry while throwing a nade

marble ermine
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Where are these boxes from and where do we get rep

winter temple
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why they make it 4.5 gold sobbing

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we wanna tank DM

mystic crypt
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Yeah i feel like i've been sold this tank route and it's like obtainable at lvl 20 it's a bit late

river island
winter temple
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just do professions I guess

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🥴

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goldmaking time

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anyone know any good wow brothels I can sign up for?

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I'm boutta try anything for this tank stance

vague comet
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just get on a mailbox

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i think rogue tank can work in raids but dungeons we aint got aoe threat

marble ermine
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It’s a solo boss tank

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Will be GREAT for boss fights only

river island
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aint no way blizz going to promise a tank spec and have us be single target only (copium) they promised they will support the new roles to be viable (hopium)

marble ermine
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Ya maybe idk we will see lol

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So fucked how this ends up

mystic crypt
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Might be possible to taunt quickly with feint i don't remember the cd

vague comet
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i rolled rogue only to tank xd

mystic crypt
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yeah p1

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When we get AR and blade flurry i'll dps but this is just like

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Turning in a box that you don't add items to gave 220 rep

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robust blaze
gloomy needle
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sorry guys im probably 100th guy who asks this hour but which is better mutilate or saber slash in SOD?

mystic crypt
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Most players would probably have an easier time leveling as combat rogue, with saber slash

river island
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mutilate seems better but requires poisons+talents+gear

broken smelt
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idk i feel like compared to other classes we really got the short end of the stick

river island
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saber better for leveling

mystic crypt
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like when we get some hit% from gear it's different

broken smelt
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dying to warlocks that just run in circles while autocasting drain life is only funny so many times

snow hamlet
mystic crypt
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I guess the boxes drop in that zone

fervent wraith
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what quest in ratchet is it that starts main gauche rune?

wise depot
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@fervent wraith you need 5g to talk to the goblin. You don't spend it, you just have to have it on you. He will then give you quests. If you try to talk to the goblin without the gold in your bag he will basically tell you your too poor for his attention

fervent wraith
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whats his name?

wise depot
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He's call grizzby

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Southside of ratchet, inside a biggish building on the right of the doorway. Can't give you more details ATM as I'm not in game currently

fervent wraith
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Ah, thanks

fallen iris
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no update on just a flesh wound? :<

mystic crypt
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Yes

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Turn in crates for rep and then buy it from them

fallen iris
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shoot ive just been deleting those things

snow hamlet
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anyone have pointers for crate farming? killed 30 mobs in hillsbrad and got nothing (horde)

winter temple
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okay so where the fuck do I farm waylaid supplies

river island
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try around sentinal hill

toxic stone
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I've seen quite a few dropping in northwestern Ashenvale

blazing mirage
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literally anywhere

robust blaze
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has any1 tested stocked trash farming those things ?

blazing mirage
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they drop from any mob

robust blaze
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stockades*

river island
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here is my hopium overdose theory for dungeon tanking, the rune massively increases threat, so just 1 SS on a mob will be enough to keep aggro, your damage will suffer because cant use combo points when tabbin thru mobs but your threat will be maintainable

hoary stream
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any tips of farming for gear? where do we go for good swords/daggers?

robust blaze
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DM/SFK

grim snow
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where is the proof?

red isle
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in the pudding

river island
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someone posted pics of the vendor it looks 98% legit

mystic crypt
river island
grim snow
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there is no rogue tanking rune there. lol

mystic crypt
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Look again

grim snow
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oh shit

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woops

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interesting that its a completely different name

mystic crypt
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Likely because it turns feint into 'tease'

grim snow
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ahh

river island
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its weird that flesh wound is basically "makes your other rune actually do something"

novel tundra
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true, but an entire spec in one rune is kinda wild too

hardy bough
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this defias scout takes forever to respawn

mystic crypt
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roughly 3mins

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but he has several spawnpoints

hearty aurora
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😎

river island
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in a weird way this whole journey reminds me of tanking a ninja in FF11. You could tank and get 100% dodge, but to maintain the high dodge you needed to farm expensive reagents for your ninja skills. On average it took like 4 hours of farming to afford enough reagents to tank for a group for 2 hours

wise depot
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So to tank we need 5g for main gauche, 4g 50 for flesh, engineering for aoe aggro and to hope we don't get stunned alongside using all 3 rune slots... seems a bit overkill if you ask me lol

mystic crypt
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Don't worry you'll make lots of gold mobgrinding for the boxes 😉

wise depot
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I suppose haha

snow hamlet
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i am just shy of 100 mobs in and have not seen a box since hitting 25 😮 starting to think somethings bugged

river island
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check your bank for a box

novel tundra
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we really gotta head back to sw or IF for EVERY individual box?

earnest ibex
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im new to wow and lookin for a decent guide for SoD, can anyone recc a guide please ?

river island
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or darnassus lol

mystic crypt
graceful nacelle
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I have 2x cruel barb for pvp shld I go 5 in crit or 5 in hit chance?

novel tundra
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human?

mystic crypt
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At friendly she sells a bag also

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graceful nacelle
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Yes human

novel tundra
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@graceful nacelle prob crit? I cant imagine needing that much hit for cap at this level

graceful nacelle
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Yea I think so too they say u need 5% hit chance at 60 but dunno Abt lvl 19

cloud shard
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wouldnt a rogue tank die before getting a 5 cp blade dance up?

deep kelp
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Rogue Tanks get high avoidance

hoary stream
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do u really need two /startattack or is one enuf?

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for a macro*

frail lake
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What would you guys pay for an assasination blade at this point?

sick parcel
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Would you guys say investing into Ruthlessness is worth it atm when we have so few points to play with?

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Also, how important do you think hit chance is at lvl 25?

mystic crypt
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||Chests seem to have 100% chance to contain shipments for turnin||

river island
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you have 15g+ poshy?

mystic crypt
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10

fallow jewel
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Anyone know how long until you get the final mail for the deadly brew rune

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I turned in the quest at the chest but nothing is there

graceful pumice
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are we able to enter razorfen kraul atm?

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nvm

sick torrent
mystic crypt
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so you could probably zip between a few chests spawn

full sail
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Does anyone know if the saber slash chest outside SFK needs lockpicking too?

eternal orchid
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all open world chests are ours

hybrid sage
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is there a place where we are putting Runes for SOD?

toxic stone
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I asked, the devs don't have any intentions of modifying the classic channel. So you can just put them here, but they'll be lost.

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I would advise using Wowhead's tracking, but use the chat at the bottom, since the actual page doesn't get updated very often.

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They have identified nearly every rogue rune

hybrid sage
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all excpet the 1 i want xD

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Just a flesh wound has escaped us al

mystic crypt
hybrid sage
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oh god where is it?

toxic stone
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Isn't that the one that requires 20 fish oil, some mechanical shit, and some other farmed piece?

wheat robin
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my deadly brew isnt doing any poisons. Do I need to finish poison quest first or something?

toxic stone
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probably

mystic crypt
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Gotta turn in crates until you're honored with the azeroth traders faction

novel tundra
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are there higher level crates?

mystic crypt
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Drops from mobs above 12 afaik

novel tundra
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yeah I meant like

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a tier higher than the stuff that drops at 12

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or is that kinda it

mystic crypt
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Think that's it, been farming lvl 24 mobs for it also

red orbit
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so, its behind a rep wall?

robust blaze
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how much rep now, Poshy?

novel tundra
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yeah so I mean do you just go back to SW every moment you find one

mystic crypt
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They started out dropping from every single mob, then it would be like 20-30 mobs inbetween each

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Circumvented a few by finding chests

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But idunno, got someone else to tank cuz this is tedious

novel tundra
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chests are pretty nice since most classes are leaving them behind for now

snow hamlet
mystic crypt
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It feels like there's some sort of anti-grind thing

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But i have no idea

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So yeah if you really want this i think chests is the play

novel tundra
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man, I could see friendly

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but locking an entire playstyle thats gonna be B tier at best behind an honored wall like that is brutal

hallow quartz
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is anyone online in the shadowstrike server horde side at the moment?

hoary stream
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is duel weild sword always better as human?

hallow quartz
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yes, due to the passive

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hit chance and weapon skill in classic are insanely good

hoary stream
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gotchya

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also is posion better than the sharpening stone?

hallow quartz
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right now I think the only way to do dmg with poisons is if you run the full deadly brew build

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the minimum level for that build is 20 if I remember correctly, so anything before that only sharpening stones will work

hoary stream
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this rouge was applying posion to his dagger he was lv 21

umbral axle
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Is there a reputation cap when delivering the crates or is it a bug?

hallow quartz
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that part I'm not sure, people in the classic rogue disc are farming boxes left and right

nimble pawn
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Is there a rogue guide for SOD?

drowsy umbra
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need 10gold and a honored rep for tank rogue 😦 there goes my dream of tanking each dung at the appropriate level

gray hornet
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what talent choice are people running

winter temple
hallow quartz
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can anyone help me transfer some gold to another faction on the Shadowstrike server? I'll pay 1 gold for the process, should take 30 minutes of your time

covert tinsel
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Does anyone know if buying sinister strike ranks does anything for saber slash lol, I assume no

drifting nacelle
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hey, did you get the quest for poisons?

green mirage
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approximately how long wll I have to wait for the second letter from C for the deadly brew rune, just gut done like 25min ago and wowhead says it takes like 15min

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dont think its a level issue either, im 25 atm

covert tinsel
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Otherwise it won't arrive, 15m timer is a lie pretty sure

green mirage
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ty

covert tinsel
hearty aurora
sturdy vine
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@mystic crypt Anyone know how many? It's pretty yikes for the tank rune to be locked like this lol

mystic crypt
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Depends if you're human and if you do the "highest" tier one which gives like 550 rep

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9000 rep must be gained

sturdy vine
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I am human (thankfully) however, thats so crazy lol

hoary stream
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where is the ball room in sfk?

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i go thu the kitchen?

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for some reason i cant remember the ball room area

sturdy vine
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so it's like 16 boxes and 4.5g to tank as a rogue lol

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do they have to be full? or can you scam it with 1 item of the total and hand it ?

winter vessel
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I can absolutely confirm you do not need to go to stonetalon for deadly brew, just did it with the vanish method

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also letter from C is delivered after visiting a major city. Hearthed to SW the moment I turned it in and got it instantly

shell dock
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Does anyone have any tips for leveling 20-25? I can barely 1v1 mobs my level.

winter vessel
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I recommend doing dungeons

shell dock
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Sort of depressing, but not bad advice.

winter vessel
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otherwise rotate between Redridge, duskwood, wetlands, ashenvale until 25

hoary stream
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is envenom even good or evis stil king?

winter vessel
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envenom is king with deadly brew combo

rancid socket
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Wait really, they put the rogue's unique rune behind a faction grind?

vital roost
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How long did it take for people to get the deadly brew after returning the stuff into the chest?

winter vessel
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you need to go to a capital to get it

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they then send you a letter to go back again its dumb

vital roost
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Ah, im gonnna go back to UC after getting envenom and go back and see

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Thanks!

grim snow
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why is the lockbox not here...

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oh i see nvm

lethal isle
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How do you get the recipe for the bfd sharpening stones?

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Also does anyone know how to obtain the lw epic recipes yet?

winter vessel
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How yo get deadly brew without going to stone talon

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signal quartz
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jesus don't try doing the stealth run before 22

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this is awful

hybrid sage
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thats so much bs for 1 rune xD

grim snow
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is it possible to get the blade dance rune as undead doing the orc/troll method?

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disregard

kindred rose
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so is saber strike or muti gonna be the play at 25?

fallow jewel
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Anyone think engi will be as good as LW?

opaque vortex
swift basalt
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sooo just turned in a full waylay thingy and got no rep

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mega confused

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im freindly 160 right now

signal quartz
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spare yourself the trouble

opaque vortex
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gotcha

hearty aurora
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does saber slash's bleed scale with anything?

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levels of sinister strike?

swift basalt
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its % weapon dmg based

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and then the bleed is based off AP

sleek frigate
tranquil lynx
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does anyone know how much they changed about respecing?

winter vessel
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It's crazy to me that everyone just jumped on the stonetalon bandwagon without even trying to talk to the door opening dude

swift basalt
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turbo ez

winter vessel
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Seriously

tranquil lynx
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the only a flesh wound rune, is that only purchaseable?

swift basalt
tranquil lynx
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damn

tranquil lynx
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do you need master of decption to get deadly brew?

winter temple
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I just ran towards a chest, yoinked it, then passed everything but the supplies onto the person who rightly fought for the chest

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:' )

winter vessel
tranquil lynx
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i managed to get it died 3 times

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once at the entrance, once at the fountain, and once after getting the second piece because i wanted to see if i was safe enough, I was not

winter vessel
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Yeah, no one seems to take the "wait until you get vanish and distract" seriously until they try themselves

mighty axle
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so wait till 22 lol

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is what im hearing

opaque vortex
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you can probably do it just fine with a lot of care but master of deception makes it a lot easier

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but yes 22 will make it a lot safer

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i waited until 22 and dont regret it

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0 combat even

mighty axle
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so should i not even try it without master deception?

winter vessel
tranquil lynx
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you can do it without master of deception

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just have to be weary of pats

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and not do it like the potato i am

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night elves would be even easier right?

mighty axle
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where is the guy to talk to?

tranquil lynx
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who?

mighty axle
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to open the gate?

tranquil lynx
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down by the boss

mighty axle
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do u have to die to open the gate

tranquil lynx
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i can't answer that

winter vessel
rancid socket
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Why are the rogue runes so obtuse

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many runes straight up don't work unless you have the other one :/

hoary stream
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can someone explain how envenom works?

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im dumb af

fair dust
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anyone tried mutilate with other weapons except daggers ? because it doesnt explicit says on tooltip about weapons

zealous ingot
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why does rogue tanking have to be so much harder to get into than shaman tanking

fair dust
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nvm it does say you need daggers

wintry robin
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it uses both weapons so i assumed it needed 2 daggers

fathom wing
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worth getting poisons done at 20? or too difficult?

tranquil lynx
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the more "doses" the more damage it does and the longer the instant poison buff lasts

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and instant poison normally has a 20% chance of applying

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with envenom up it's 95% chance

hoary stream
tranquil lynx
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just have 5 runes left to get

rancid socket
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is Shiv worth getting?

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I know envenom and brew is good

hearty aurora
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probably a pvp thing if I had to guess

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like shivving a big crippling poison

tranquil lynx
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whats better instant poison or deadly brews application?

hearty aurora
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pretty happy with this

plucky nymph
tranquil lynx
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i need gauch, flessh wound, envenom slaughter and something else

hearty aurora
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I'm missing flesh wound, main gauche, and shiv

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don't plan to tank so it's whatever

tranquil lynx
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shiv

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is the something else

nimble sleet
livid path
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Hey how does rogue feels in pvp on sod ? I wanna do mostly pvp on that season and would like to know if any spec / runes seems cool to play or does it feel shit with all these mage / warlock / priests running around

leaden owl
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Where is veenix?

solid swallow
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right here bro

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58 52 coords stonetalon

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Hmmmm i dont know if i done messed up

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I got the bomb from veenix, went and blew open the door

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soon figured out its miserable to attempt at level 21 with dogshit stealth and no distract or vanish

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so hearthed out

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now when i went back to get another work order...they like dont drop

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and this is all i can get

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gg?

leaden owl
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Thanks bro

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damn

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im lvl 20 so guess im screwed too

solid swallow
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Yeah i dont thin kits possible

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wait until you're a biit heigher

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or atleast spec for imp stealth

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Actually have no idea what to do now

tranquil lynx
solid swallow
tranquil lynx
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and i did it at level 21 with dogshit stealth

solid swallow
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ive gotten it before

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and now i can only get

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they dont drop anymore

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despite i dont have one

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in my bags

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maybe i gotta abandon quest or sumn

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i dunno

tranquil lynx
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i doubt it

solid swallow
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then what?

tranquil lynx
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could just be trawsh rng

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and there is a post where you can do it without the bomb

solid swallow
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has anyone else seen this item befoer?

storm locust
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Mutilate or sabre slash early on?

solid swallow
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if no one has seen "shredded work order before" i doubt its bad rng

tranquil lynx
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i've see nit

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i got it all the time from killing them

solid swallow
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you got them?

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okay. i will go back and do more

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weird. i got it super early on my last one

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been pickpocketing for almost an hr now

tranquil lynx
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and when i started pick pocketing them i got the proepr rder

solid swallow
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and havent gotten another

tranquil lynx
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but you have vanish now right?

solid swallow
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ye

tranquil lynx
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you can just talk to the guy that opens the door and vanish from the boss

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might be able to distract boss too

solid swallow
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o good plan

leaden owl
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which goblins do u have to pick pocket?

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to get the letter

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for the bomb

solid swallow
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builders

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and engineers

tranquil lynx
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also metalsmith up there too

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pretty much any of the ones up above the lake

solid swallow
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like i get this thing every other pickpocket

tranquil lynx
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don't think so

leaden owl
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Where exactly are thes engineeerrs?

solid swallow
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above lake

leaden owl
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The big lake or the river lake?

solid swallow
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the lake in the crag

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the big one

leaden owl
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cool, thanks!

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i have to go around the entire mountain to get up?

solid swallow
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yeah kinda you swim in the water and it leads you to a path that wraps around and goes up

leaden owl
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so i swim through it?

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or go around the entire mountain from the left

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So its not even worth to try getting it at as lvl 20 rogue?

nimble sleet
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anyone knows how much hit we need at lvl 25? wondering how many talents to put precision

solid swallow
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seems like im either bugged or sumn

sharp isle
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Hello guys, does an

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Are there any pre-raid bis list?

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For SoD

eternal orchid
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i can now tank 😄

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deft olive
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hello, is there a macro that puts you in stealth and use shadowstrike on current target ?

tardy lava
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Is it possible to stealth into SFK without any talent points wasted on Master of Deception?

tranquil lynx
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yes just try to max range everything and watch for pats

fair dust
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opportunity works on mutilate anyone test it ?

wanton garnet
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guys is it me or pvp daggers is kinda useless now

jovial garden
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so they put the most important tank rune behind a rep grind ?

vague comet
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uh

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boys

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so im in org at rogue trainer

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and he missing,every other mob is here

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can anything cause this?

marble ermine
eternal orchid
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look for chests

eternal orchid
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dwarf racial works wonders for that

river island
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i cant believe blizzard would lock tanking behind dwarf racial

flint granite
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How hard is the poison quest at lvl 20? Should I just wait until 22 when I have vanish?

eternal orchid
opaque vortex
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what is the deal with the deadly brew rune? i completed the quest (get the shit from inside SFK) like 7 hours ago and still no mail

opaque vortex
flint granite
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yeah im horde. So i guess ill just wait untill 22 for poison and deadly brew since vanish seems to make both much easier.

opaque vortex
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i did it at 20 with friends but without deadly poison envenom does nothing anyways so i'd just do both at 22

leaden owl
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Where in org is the place for the ranged kidney shot?

opaque vortex
round oriole
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Does anyone have coords on the rune for slaughter from above or whatever its called in Drygulch ravine

river island
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5 pts in opportunity made backstab go from 67 -> 80 and mutilate from 60 > 70

merry wagon
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anyone have a link to the mian saber slash build people are using ?

keen harbor
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how's backstab holding up in bfd? I see slash builds only in the logs.

merry wagon
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it was ok last night when i playyed it but i wanna try saber slash today to compare all i see is saber in the logs as well

keen harbor
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what talents did you run?

merry wagon
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imp backstab and

keen harbor
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you kept SS up?

merry wagon
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opportunity

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yeah basic old rotation it just for testing im still missing some other runes i wanted to try

keen harbor
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ok and assuming you have windfury, you just IP on the OH or use stone?

fallen wolf
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anyone using deadly brew know if you need to apply poisons any more?

leaden owl
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Can you just do sfk normally for the deadly brew quest or do u have to pick pocket shit?

river island
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whats the min level to do sfk?

late bear
eternal orchid
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in duskwood

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there a few solid chests that spawn out there

exotic nacelle
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lowest lvl box no longer granted rep after reaching friendly guess I gotta do higher level ones

normal vessel
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Do you need deadly brew to use envenom?

#

its not letting me finish with it

signal quartz
#

You need poisons to use envenom

#

So, yes, because otherwise you're not applying deadly

normal vessel
#

ok so need more than instant

signal quartz
#

Yeah envenom works off deadly poison stacks

normal vessel
#

kk

keen harbor
#

what backstab talents people running for bfd?

nimble sleet
#

as long as you get the improved backstab one you're fine

keen harbor
#

when is DMF in SoD?

crude thicket
#

Everything that i have seen says skip combat tree go ass tree for dps in SoD thought it was kinda weird missing out on 5% hit, thoughts?

deft olive
#

is saberslash the play for lvling and does it stack with remorseless attack talent ?

crude thicket
#

I liked shadowstrike for leveling cause it made mob tagging easy but I would imagine things have calmed down a little so it would be better overall to use saberslash

nimble sleet
#

slash and kite with quick draw

river island
#

waste 30 seconds kiting or 30 seconds eating no way to win leveling

deft olive
#

do we know if they fixed it with RA talent

nimble sleet
heady galleon
#

Is Assa/Saberslash/deadlybrew the right choice for dps? With 2 swords?

nimble sleet
#

content is pepega anyway. you can play whatev. mutilate is fine, backstab is fine, slash is fine.

heady galleon
#

ty

keen harbor
#

where is the bfd stone recipe from?

sharp isle
#

Is the deadly brew rune quest chain only startable in silverpine?

winter sentinel
#

getting massive sod fomo rn is it any good or am i about to fall back into the wow hole and never come back

pale sable
#

so how can i use envenom? i dont have deadly posion, but instant poison

hearty aurora
#

it'll be fun for a week or two and then you'll be done if you no life it

#

or you can take it casual and level up here and there

hearty aurora
pale sable
#

OHHHHHHHHH ok thats my next rune

#

also weird i dont see the instant poison debuff on the enemy when im attacking em

#

sry little new here

hearty aurora
#

there is none

#

instant poison just does damage

pale sable
#

ok cool

#

ty so much

hearty aurora
#

but when it hits, it applies deadly from the rune

pale sable
#

nice, i got the bomb, just gotta go to SFK, thanks for everyhting

hearty aurora
#

oh no lol

leaden owl
#

i openeded the dusty chest

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2 mobs attacked me

#

no rune

#

wtf?

#

the between the eyes rune

#

what more do i do?

#

t-team?

novel tundra
#

are there even any good weapon enchants for this phase?

nimble sleet
hearty aurora
#

probably +2 or +3 weapon damage if I had to guess

#

considering how much damage melees do, that'll add up

dark kite
#

I just gouged a mob with Deadly brew equipped and NO POISON ON and the mob had deadly poison on him ? is that a bug ?

#

the tooltip says that when no poison is equipped, it applies instant, not deadly poison

hearty aurora
#

yeah def bugged

#

I'm fighting stuff and it's applying deadly

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with no instant on

dark kite
#

so whats the way, play with no poison on anyway ?

hearty aurora
#

depends what content you're doing

#

if you need it for damage, use it

#

but melees + saber slash for me are doing most of the lifting

dark kite
#

no poison equippeed definetly applies instant AND deadly

amber scaffold
#

Doesn't Brew say when you apply any other poison it also applies Deadly Poison?

#

And with no poison equipped it applies Instant...so yeah that makes sense.

bright portal
#

Is there a link to the main Saber Slash build? Not sure if Imp S&D is needed?

red isle
#

does the 2 set bonus of the fangs set increase our poison dmg?

fallen iris
#

not gonan lie, its kind of BS that they put the rogue tank rune inside the rep grind boxes. no other class has a spec-defining rune in those chests

plucky nymph
grave sand
#

looking at sod logs, it's seeming like saber slash is the build even with daggers lol

#

gonna be trying muti tonight but relentless strikes might just be too strong to pass up unfortunately

raven snow
dark kite
#

Tooltip = No poison => Instant
Poison => Deadly

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And i had deadly poison proccing while having NO POISON

grave sand
#

No, it says
If you have no poison, it applies instant
Whenever you apply any poison, you apply deadly

#

No poison procs instant and the instant procs deadly

copper plover
#

has anyone compared lethality vs opportunity at level 25 in sod?

rancid socket
#

I never received mail after the pyrewood village horn thing

#

It's 15 min?

drifting lintel
#

I'm not sure I see mutilate being worth it over saber slash with swords for pve or pvp. Anyone at 25 compared?

rancid socket
#

Whoever maintains the guide on wowhead, please make sure you denote on the deadly brew that you HAVE to go back to a major city. 15 min at sepulcher won't do it

drifting elk
#

So ive been running saber slash for a couple days, and noticed that Remorseless attacks doesnt get removed by saber slash. I still feel like i crit with it a lot when its up though. Anyone else having the same thing happen?

#

Feels like I get 20 seconds of 40% crit

grave sand
drifting lintel
#

Won't have blind this bracket right, but true about gouge

drifting lintel
#

Surely you'd notice 40+% crit

drifting elk
#

my crit chance for Saber Slash is sitting at about 33% in DM

#

which would make sense since im 24 and some mobs are gray/ I dont get eveyr killing blow

grave sand
drifting elk
#

my actual crit chance is only 12 % so that seems high

leaden owl
#

what you guys running for pvp?

grave sand
#

Personally muti between the eyes quick draw
Imp backstab + opportunity talents

regal arrow
#

hey guys, after you made the Deadly brew rune SFK run how did it take to recieve the mail to get back to the hut?

grave sand
#

Have to go to town

regal arrow
#

oh

drifting lintel
river island
#

is lvl 21 good for sfk

hybrid sage
#

for the deadly brew. how do you open the door without going to stonetalon

river island
#

you have to open the prisoner nearby and talk to the npc he will open it

#

you will die without vanish but even if you die the door will be open

copper plover
#

anyone's previously working weapon swap sabre swap macro break today?

clear oak
#

hello everyone I turned in the horn quest from sfk and still havent gotten mail, everywhere I read just says 15 minutes is there something else I needed to do?

#

ah apparently you have to travel to a major city

#

wowhead wrong once again

grave sand
river island
#

deadly brew is pretty juiced you dont have to apply any poisons and it procs instant and deadly at the same time

distant locust
#

What prisoner are you talking about?

#

The one inside the dungeon?

river island
#

ye next to first boss

distant locust
#

ah ok

leaden owl
#

so u just talk to him he opens the door and u dont have to do the stone talon shit?

arctic charm
#

Does the defias scout take a long time to spawn?

wintry robin
#

so you can just use sharpening stones?

river island
#

ye or windfury

#

unfortunately at least at lvl 21 slaughter is just too good. backstab still does more damage even with poison on target than mutilate

hoary stream
#

is attack power or agil betteR?

#

how do u sim best weap/gear in classic?

grave sand
drowsy fulcrum
#

is there any dps chart in bfd raid? I think Im missing some damage

river island
grave sand
#

Deadly poison is actually a ton of damage
But i haven't tested over extended times so this is just feelscrafting

river island
#

yea one thing is also like for dungeon trash deadly doesnt have time to tick or stack up much

#

but maybe for raid boss is different

grave sand
#

Envenom also favors muti as well

#

Since it's 2 hits
Muti is 30 energy per chance at poison, backstab is 40

#

In sfk with a weird group, the trash lived long enough for deadly poison to be super noticeable

river island
#

i can see it, ill give it a shot

#

just got a waylaid box that was gonna cost like 2g to fill but I turned it in raw and got 200 rep

wanton steppe
#

hey, human rogues dont need to worry about swing timing right?

grave sand
#

I'm not word of god by any means, i haven't simmed or anything, that's just what it feels like for me
I do miss fat like 250 damage backstab crits though

drowsy fulcrum
#

I think we should have a new rune to add some kind of aoe in the next tier, most of classes are crazy in dungeons

grave sand
#

Instead muti brew spreads it over 2 hits + 2 different poisons which is not as satisfying

river island
#

im rooting for muti long term its crazy to me it isnt miles ahead. i guess because at low levels the damage bonus on backstab is outscaling our gear

grave sand
#

Muti is also dependent on using two good daggers

#

Backstab you only need one good one

river island
#

ye i got 1.8/1.9 speed

#

right now tho muti doesnt need any poisons which is a qol upgrade

fallow jewel
#

Are there any weird level 25-35 quests that give cool rewards like a helmet or anything?

shut spire
#

Have the fixed evenom when in groups with other rogues?

fallow jewel
#

I know some classes have quests they can do

keen spire
#

so saber slash doesnt stack with 2 rogues huh

shut spire
#

Envenom only works if your deadly poison was applied first

#

So grouping with another rogue is kinda rip right now

drifting lintel
shut spire
#

I was hitting 100 dps in BFD last night so I dont think its too bad

#

On single target

keen spire
#

at least got deadly brew and envenom now ... so much walking. but sneaking was a bit fun

low spire
#

estimated wait time for the chest to refresh for Deadly Brew rune?

shut spire
#

@low spire go to undercity and trigger a major town

#

get a mail and go back to ches

low spire
grave sand
keen spire
#

silverpine is soooo long but did the same

shut spire
#

You just cant use envenom.. You can only use envenom based on your deadly poison stacks

#

but it doesnt recognize your stacks if you didnt apply the fist deadly

#

first*

grave sand
#

wow that's trash

shut spire
#

yea it will say invalid target

#

I noticed it doing stealth runs in DM

grave sand
#

i'm convinced they did almost no internal testing on sod

keen spire
#

wondering if its the same for the priest dot rune and such and runes just dont stack

shut spire
#

but in guild people are talking about hotfixes that went out today so I wanted to confirm if anyone noticed

keen spire
#

but hey we are 2nd in the logs on wowhead

normal shore
#

is there a fast way to gain rep cause my rogue tank is so sad

tranquil lynx
#

Question about deadly brew, does it mean we don’t need to apply instant poison?

grave sand
#

correct but you do have to have the poison skill unlocked or it won't apply anything

keen spire
#

right now its super buggy and seems to do both for me

grave sand
#

not a bug, intended

keen spire
#

its intended to do instant and deadly?

grave sand
#

it says
If you have no poison, it applies instant
whenever you apply any poison, you apply deadly

shut spire
#

It is def nto intended to do both. It clearly says if you have instant poison applied, the brew will apply deadly

#

I guess not technically isntant but instant or crippling

grave sand
#

so no poison = instant and the instant applies deadly

shut spire
#

Correct but right now its applying both off both weapons

keen spire
#

i mean i like saving the poisons but feels wrong

shut spire
#

which allows us to also use windfury

#

windfury + 4 poisons

grave sand
keen spire
#

wait what you can use cripple and mind and still get instant and deadly?

grave sand
#

and windfury is probably exactly why they designed the rune that way

#

no, it only applies instant if you're using no poison

shut spire
#

Its applying both instant and deadly if using no poisons

grave sand
#

if you apply crippling/mind numbing it will not apply instant

shut spire
#

its currently bugged in a good way right now

keen spire
#

ah ok

grave sand
#

that's not a byug

#

that's literally

#

the tooltip

shut spire
#

no its not

grave sand
#

it's doing exactly what it says it does

shut spire
grave sand
keen spire
#

seems up for debate. i also read it as nothing -> instant and when instant deadly. but not a chain of all

shut spire
#

It says if you have no poisons, it will apply instant..

tranquil lynx
#

Yeah and whenever you apply instant also apply deadly

shut spire
#

When you inflict a poison meaning its on your weapon, it will also apply deadly

grave sand
tranquil lynx
#

The effects aren’t mutually exclusive

shut spire
#

I see what you are saying.. so you are saying when no weapon has a poison, it will do instant and because instant hits from nothing, it can proc a deadly

grave sand
#

correct

shut spire
#

So when you have crip or mind numbing, you cant do instant but with proc a deadly

tranquil lynx
#

Does deadly poison cap at 5 stacks?

grave sand
#

the intended effect is for you to have any poison + deadly (4 total), and if you apply no poison you get instant + deadly

shut spire
#

I see, my mistake for sure. Thank you!

tranquil lynx
#

Wouldn’t it be 3 glarf?

grave sand
#

mh + oh + mh deadly + oh deadly

shut spire
#

4 as in 4 attempts

#

3 unique poisons can be on I believe

tranquil lynx
#

Agh I see the math your trying

grave sand
#

or i guess it's not strictly having deadly poison, because the instant proc is what grants it, but the effect is similar

#

you get "4" poisons even if you applied none and it's on purpose

dark kite
grave sand
#

what you wrote is that it's exclusive

#

it's not

#

if you don't have a poison applied, you apply instant
whenever you apply a poison, you apply deadly

dark kite
#

That's what i wrote

grave sand
#

so what are you not understanding

#

you have no poison so you get instant and your instant applies deadly

dark kite
#

Are you trolling me or ?

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grave sand
#

no, you're just slow

dark kite
#

Is your IQ negative lil bro ?

grave sand
#

i'm not gonna argue it with you, you can read the tooltip and understand it or don't. i don't care either way

dark kite
#

Bro there is no fucking way you're that stupid.

I stated that the tooltip says : No poison applied > Instant poison procs
POison applied > Deadly poison procs

Then you tell me "No, the tool tip says : "No poison applied > Instant poison procs
POison applied > Deadly poison procs" (Exactly what I wrote above, in case your slow brain didn't notice it)

#

So now I ask again, is your IQ negative ?

#

Plus you're spreading misinformation and telling people wrong stuff

#

Literally Roknar just said 5 min ago on stream exactly this, that the rune doesn't work like the tooltip says

#

yet you're out here calling people slow

final haven
#

What good stuff is coming in phase 2 SoD?

Will rogue be able to step up ?

dark kite
final haven
#

I wouldn’t know 🙂

vocal barn
#

sorry everyone im pre new here, why do ppl run muti with quick draw and between teh eyes in pvp?

safe relic
vocal barn
#

forgot muti gives 2

fallen iris
#

anyone found an efficient grind for supply faction on horde?

stone gulch
#

no poison = instant on wep, when that proc it also procs deadly

swift basalt
#

so it appears to be procing a single poison at random with the rune applied and no poisons on.

So if you have the rune on:

With poisons:

  • single proc of instant also procs deadly.

With no poisons:

  • single proc of instant
    or
    -single proc of deadly

At least that's what I can see from ~5 seconds of looking at the combat log

plucky nymph
tranquil lynx
tranquil lynx
#

I don't know if this is a poison thing or deadly brew thing, but sap can trigger instant poison

teal kiln
novel tundra
#

...sooo we dont apply poisons?

raven needle
zealous ingot
#

my IP keeps falling off when I proc windfury from cat

grave schooner
#

With mutilate do we still want 1 hard hitting slow dagger in main and 1 fast high dps in OH… or just 2 slow hard hitters?

raven needle
sullen root
#

What is the best raid spec for rogue in sod?

#

Highest simming damage

shut dagger
shut dagger
#

I did the sfk quest for the brew rune

#

but didnt get the rune

wanton garnet
#

Hi guys does someone know where to find a pvp SoD guide?

storm light
#

Which poison do i use for main hand and off hand in SoD? or no poison?

sullen root
gray spear
#

and after this go back to the stash house at sfk rune will be in the chest

teal kiln
#

Anyone know if they removed Shredder Autosalvage from Venture Co. Operators? Been pickpocketing all day and got 0. Got 3 yesterday in less than 30 min

shut spire
#

Any 25 Rogues feel like saying how much Attack Power they have so I can judge my gear differences if solid or not

gray spear
shut spire
#

217 is good. It's green mean you have a buff on?

raw island
#

Does anyone know where do you need to use the breaching charge on SFK? It says out of range everywhere

shut spire
#

It's on the main door to the courtyard

#

The same door the escort guy unlocks

gray spear
raw island
#

Oh, got it, ty!

gray spear
#

fully unbuffed

shut spire
#

Yea 217 seems really good. Ty!

gray spear
#

mobs will not attack him

raw island
#

I do not have vanish yet

gray spear
#

what ur lvl?

raw island
#

21

gray spear
#

but if u adrenaline junkie go for it

#

also dont forget to visit any major city after you done otherwise C wont send you mail

#

it will be just letter (to get rune you have to go back in the stash house again)

raw island
#

Damn so much travelling

remote isle
#

Using this now with a Cruel Barb in the off-hand. Is it still worth running Saber Slash/Envenom with this fast MH/slow OH?

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heady delta
gray spear
heady delta
#

ahh icic thanks!

unborn willow
#

whats the optimal way to use deadly brew? just have no poisons on ?

winter temple
#

It is finally over...

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heavy fog
#

is this the spot where i can find the saber slash lad? have been waiting here for a bit

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charred ingot
#

the chest spawns when you keybind every spell on your ui

raven needle
remote shale
#

No poison deadly brew seems to be working pretty nice. I feel like I saw somewhere that said to use double crippling but that doesn't make any sense to me because you only stand to lose instant poison but my only thought was that maybe crippling poison procs a lot more and stacks up deadly poison really fast? Haven't tested that.

bleak python
#

anyone tested whether fang 2 piece bonus applies to poisons (and/or envenom) yet?

hoary stream
#

whats considered "fast" vs "slow" for weapons

#

are they just relative to the weap speeds? or is anything under speed 2 considered fast?

remote isle
bleak python
#

damn from limited testing it seems like that 2 piece bonus does not apply to poisons, either instant poison procs or the stinger mace proc

#

don't have envenom to test yet but would assume it doesn't work there either

fair dust
#

which pvp "spec" 😄 looks better ?

grim stirrup
#

Is there a solid weak auras that tells you essentially times blade dance or Slice and Dice is up and when you should be preparing to refresh it?

#

Or the time that your next energy tick is coming in?

grim stirrup
#

1.8 for daggers

#

And then 1.5 and less is considered fast

hoary stream
#

got iit thanks

#

im also confused, some people saying doubelswird is good (double cruel barb) but i also hear fast MH and slow OH is good. what applies to a human rogue?

opal niche
#

Slow MH is generally better for combat swords

#

but assassination might want a slow OH dagger

#

depends on your cup of tea

dark kite
gray spear
raven needle
gray spear
#

pvp 2 cripplings, pve instant + crippling (or just 1 crippling if wild strikes druid in group)

#

Im more bothered why shadowstrike doesnt scale from backstab/ambush talents

hoary stream
#

is there a resource with classic related rogue stuff? i feel like im learning so much things just from observing peoples convo here

bleak python
gray spear
cloud meadow
bleak python
#

wild strikes overwrites poison in MH

gray spear
#

yeah but you still can apply on OH

bleak python
#

yeah

grave schooner
#

With mutilate do we want 2 slow hard hitters… or still fast OH for poison

deep cedar
#

guys im playing SoD, is subtlety good? I want to PvP when I hit level 25

#

but I know that combat is overall always the good option

#

I have a level 39 rogue in hardcore and it's combat, that's why I wanted to try subtlety

regal arrow
#

on raid bosses only one rogue can have deadly poisons?

livid palm
#

Yes

regal arrow
#

rip

#

ty

livid palm
#

Hope it gets fixed

regal arrow
#

ye, sucks they make a envenoom spec

#

and only 1 can use poisons

grave sand
deep cedar
grave sand
#

Personally imp backstab + opportunity, dump the rest in precision

#

More in precision is probably better if you want to do bfd with the same build

drowsy fulcrum
#

swords + saber slash is pve meta right?

livid palm
#

Seems so right now

weak igloo
#

What’s the go with pvp lads? Is mutilate the spec to be?

grave sand
#

i go muti pvp because saber slash bleed breaks gouge and -20 backstab rune means no quick draw

dark kite
grave sand
#

motherfucker read

deep cedar
#

each point for each level

hearty aurora
#

just lost a meteor shard to a gnome warrior who said he needed it for tanking

#

who was playing dps the entire dungeon with a smite's hammer

ripe hazel
#

hey yall do i have to apply poison to my weapon if im using deadly brew?

hearty aurora
#

not sure if it's intended, but the instant poison proc from deadly brew also activates deadly

#

so you can roll with double crippling

#

or just crippling on your offhand if you have a druid with windfury

gaunt mango
#

that's intended

cold shard
#

anyone know what oculd be causing my nameplates to look like this ( i have literally all my addons disabled rn...)

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toxic stone
cold shard
#

turns out its the default stacking nameplates

#

these options

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toxic stone
#

Looks like straight dookie

cold shard
#

ikr

#

plater not working in dungeons for friendly nameplates so it defaults to this garbage

toxic stone
#

tidyplates or bust imo

keen harbor
#

where do you get the bfd stone pattern from?

drowsy fulcrum
#

it is possible to obtain deadly brew rune at fresh lvl 20 after doing the poison quest?

toxic stone
#

Possible, but not without enduring some rectal pain

drowsy fulcrum
#

haha so better wait until? 22?

toxic stone
#

22 is ideal

drowsy fulcrum
#

ok ty

tranquil lynx
#

unless theres this weird niche interaction that wildstrikes overwrites poison but deadly brew doesn't see it as a poison?

kindred rose
#

i have the bomb and im in sfk but it just keeps saying out of range

#

where do i have to place it?

hoary stream
#

inside the dung

#

do to the door after the first boss

#

bomb that door

kindred rose
#

ah i see

#

not the gate at the beginning

hoary stream
#

dont have to kill the boss itself,

#

no not that

toxic stone
#

Dang, I didn't think people actually went through the trouble of getting the bomb

hoary stream
#

yea i did and then learned of the shortcut lmao

#

yolo

kindred rose
#

i thought you needed to kill the first boss for the shortcut?

hoary stream
#

no u never had to kill the boss at all in neither methods lol

kindred rose
#

oh well

toxic stone
#

If you manage to solo the first boss you should just get all the runes

kindred rose
#

im feeling IMMERSED

unborn willow
#

geez i feel like i do no damage in pvp lol

#

and i got meteor shard

toxic stone
#

I was underwhelmed by Mutilate, so I've settled on combat for now. Cruel Barb is at least semi-reliable for a good pounding.

unborn willow
#

yea im trying mutilate in pvp

#

have you tried just backstab build in pvp ?

toxic stone
#

Negative, but I've heard good things

unborn willow
#

guess ill try that

toxic stone
#

Some were even suggesting that if you don't go full into that talent, it's not worth trying daggers

#

Cannot confirm though

unborn willow
#

i went oppourtunity and imp backstab for mutilate

#

big mut crits

#

but its just tickling ppl in pvp feels like lol

unborn willow
#

anyoen elses between the eyes not stunning people when they are far from you in pvp

#

i dont see a miss come up but they dont get stunned

fickle spindle
#

any pvp build fo SOD

stark coyote
#

Question...I have Cruel Barb and Wingblade. Does it make sense to OH Cruel Barb, or would it be better to MH it because it's 2.8 speed and run some shitty DPS fast dagger OH to apply poisons?

The alternative is MH Wingblade (2.2 speed, bad) and OH Cruel Barb (slow, so also bad for OH)

agile belfry
#

Yo guys, I got the Envenom rune in SoD. But I don't know how to used it, the finisher is not highlighted because appartently my target didn't get any doses (of poison I assume). What do I do to make it work? Also I have poison in my weapons.

#

nvm I think I discovered why. Probably because I'm not using the right poison

kindred rose
#

my brew doesnt seem to be proccing when i have no poisons

proud socket
#

best spec for pvp ?

abstract creek
#

to the guy asking deadlly brew and wildstrikes stack

mighty axle
#

any reason i cant loot the cache for the instant poison quest even with the key?

tranquil lynx
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Speaking of getting g bomb for deadly brew, it’s way easier for horde to get than the alliance due to better locations for continental travel and flight paths

novel tundra
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oh wow, Saber Slash beats backstab even with Meteor shard

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like no contest

grim stirrup
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imo wouldn't go it

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Especially with Deadly Brew and viable poison build

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faster offhand probably yield more DPS but I haven't tried it out yet

novel tundra
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CB main, meteor off I assume?

grim stirrup
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Meteor chance to proc

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is lowkey ass

novel tundra
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cause man Im doing like 42 dps in this stocks with meteor main and cb off backstab

grim stirrup
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apparentyly only 3% chance

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Me the rogue not optimized on last boss of BFD raid

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chipped bite on main hand, thornblade on offhand

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with some trash gear and no deadly brew chest yet

opaque vortex
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multiple rogues cannot have multiple stacks of saber strike or deadly poison active fyi

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very cringe

novel tundra
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you wouldnt deadly brew chest with slaughter from the shadows though?

opaque vortex
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none of us have any daggers

halcyon helm
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Anyone try pure combat for pvp? Improved sprint and riposte seems op

sweet blaze
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Speaking of PvP, what Runes are best? Using between the eyes and Slaughter from Shadows, which is great, but i realized my saber slash breaks my gouge stun....so i need to replace it lol

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Im assuming Shiv would be the play

unborn willow
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how do you guys do vs tank shaman or tank warlock

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i literally do max 30% their hp before im dead lol

opaque pulsar
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if i have time to prepare, i put sword in mianhand, deadly brew, and bleed/poison them out

grim stirrup
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I'm sure the dps from envenom + deadly brew > Backstab

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especially since you can saber strike

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or shiv if you have windfury

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the dots do quite a bit of damage

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but I honestly got to test it, I'm not sure

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backstab build might still be better

tough tapir
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how important is fast offhand and slow mh

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like i have meteor and cruel barb, should cruel be in mh

regal lynx
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any one know how good rogue tanking is and how it compairs to other tanks

tough tapir
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a guy did a write up on reddit, apparently lots of threat modifier so single target you are sweet but anything aoe and you struggle

cosmic siren
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i have heard conflicting comments on opportunity giving mutilate 20% dmg while behind has anyone tested correctly?? ive heard yes and no.

tranquil lynx
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i wonder if we will get anything for aoe besides blade flurry in phase 2

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fingers crossed fan of knives

errant timber
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It definitely feels bad that in dungeons the makes and hunters get to go sicko mode while I stand there barely getting snd up in time lol

hallow prairie
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FINALLY

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has anyone looked at how sleight of hand affewcts feint w/ tanking kit?

hallow prairie
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caps

wraith python
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Does anyone know if wft/druids overwrite deadly brew?

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or do they work together

night echo
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I don't think using rupture even when mangle is up is better than envenom, tried it yesterday in BFD on separate runs and envenom still came out ahead

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as in prio'ing rupture instead of envenom for 5 cp

tranquil lynx
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is ravenholdt not in phase 1?

storm light
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where can i find preraid bis for SoD?

wraith python
strong portal
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PSA for Rogues trying to pick pocket the Defias dude in Westfall and somehow he always has empty pockets, u can just log out and wait a couple of minutes and log back in. You'll spawn on a different layer and can try picking his pockets again. Much faster than the 30 min respawn timer.

marsh sleet
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New to classic and have a question abt the saber slash ability. Does it replace sinister strike or are there still situations you still want to use sinister strike over saber slash?

drifting lintel
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Sinister strike adds bonus damage, saber slash increases your hit by %, so saber slash will basically replace sinister, unless you want to avoid the DOT

marsh sleet
gray spear
nimble sleet
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anyone got macros for a gear piece's rune? for example i want a macro with shadowstrike, saber slash, mutilate etc. depending on what rune i got equipped.

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i tried [known:] is not recognized

drifting lintel
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Saber slash hotfix?

gray spear
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so depending on rune this button will be that spell

nimble sleet
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yeah the spell works but the tooltip doesnt update dead have to walk around with ? on bars

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it works on retail but idk whats wrong with classic

gray spear
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try add #showtooltip

nimble sleet
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i did

gray spear
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in the first line

nimble sleet
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tooltip is shown only for the first ability and only if known

ebon summit
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Hey guys I've got the meteor shard, blackfang and the cruel barb. I am trying to make mutilate work in pve but is saber slash by far the best even with double daggers?

nimble sleet
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thank god for youtube

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they added new parameter

gray spear
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oh, good

dark kite
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Will i be allowed in BFD raids if i'm not playing the saber slash build ?

wraith python
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is #showtooltip fucked in classic or something, it only works for the spell icon for me, if u hover it nothing happens

thin goblet
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Question about deadly brew. I know it says if you have no poisons applied then you have a chance to proc instant poison, does that mean we dont need to apply instant poison on our weapons? Same proc chance, etc?

upper trench
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I'm thinking for PvP backstab/ambush build is still better

strong portal
fervent garnet
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seems like it atleast

gray spear
fringe quarry
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which enchants are the best

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for poison rouge

raven needle
toxic stone
toxic stone
raven needle
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Something like that yes. It's a bit expensives the poisons since they run out quick. But 2 quests and you got the money back easy

bleak python
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is there any confirmation that applied instant has a better proc chance than no poisons + deadly brew?

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seems like a weird ability to include if it's less effective, is it just meant for the instances your poison runs out in the middle of a fight?

bleak python
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the rogue trainer out front of SI:7 in stormwind just has a dialogue option and he'll hand you a letter that starts the quest

strong portal
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I attacked him, he vanished and I waited for 25 minutes hoping the wow head comments saying it's 5 minutes were right

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Anyway idk why bro is so against me saying u can relog and change layers, but you do you

gray spear
strong portal
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That's nice, the Defias mob in westfall takes 30

opaque vortex
boreal tide
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cruel barb + chipped bite with saber slash better choice or chipped bite + meteor shard with mutilate?

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raids scenario

tardy topaz
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I have a question regarding deadly brew build and temporary weapon enhancements.
The wowhead build does not even mention applying poisons. But isn't it required for deadly poison to be applied, which in turn is required for Envenom to be usable?

strong portal
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or wound idk whats better on classic

tardy topaz
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is it enough on the offhand in case there is wf in your group?

strong portal
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It probably is enough

tardy topaz
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alright, thanks! 🙂

fringe quarry
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guys : 1,4 speed dagger on off-hand ? and which enchants i need for my weapons

toxic stone
# strong portal That's nice, the Defias mob in westfall takes 30

When I did the Westfall one, there were 3 other rogues waiting. One would pickpocket and the rest of us would kill him. Each time it took between 5 and 7 minutes for him to respawn. I'm not sure what's causing the 30 minute wait. As for logging over, any alternative that actually works is a good thing, so I'm not sure why anyone would hassle you over that. It may not be the most time-efficient method, but if the best option isn't working... it sure helps to have another choice.

opaque vortex
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so no poison works just fine for envenom

tardy topaz
opaque vortex
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yes

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i've been playing no poisons applied since i got it

tardy topaz
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I read it as: If you have instant poison, you get deadly poison in addition.
If you have no poison, you get instant poison at least

opaque vortex
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you can test it out yourself

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if you have no poison you get instant, every application of instant also applies deadly

nimble sleet
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it bugged for sure if it triggers without poisons, will be fixed

opaque vortex
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is the way it works

nimble sleet
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wound triggers faster than instant thats why ppl use it instead of 2x instant

opaque vortex
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in raid it doesn't materially matter but in dungeons it will

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you only get 1 set of saber strike bleeds and 1 set of deadly per boss anyways atm

tardy topaz
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another question. Is there a way to macro a weapon swap with a skill so that the new weapon is equipped before the skill is used?

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it always seems like the weapon is only equipped afterwards

chrome creek
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sorry if this is a duplicate question, but in SoD do we have any way to cleave multiple targets?

zealous ingot
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was doing some grinding for defias chest yesterday and got bis headgear

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zealous ingot
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seems like just a boss tank which is kinda sad

thin pasture
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What talents should i go for?

lost stratus
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anyone boosting cobrahn? i need to help my friend get legs, but he is too far to roll on loot

zealous ingot
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the shredder salvage isnt even guaranteed bro who thought this shit up?

gray spear
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I do it for gold rn

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craft 16 kits (most of the time get 10 to 12 items)

chrome creek
abstract creek
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Fan of knifes or something I’m sure

zealous ingot
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I hope they buff the acquisition rate sooner rather than later like they did for warlocks

chrome creek
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acquisition rate?

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whats that

river island
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spec for mutilate: improved BS, recklessness, improved SnD, opportunity?

pale furnace
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anyone has any valid build for pve/pvp ?

zealous ingot
cloud shard
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Tanking seems like a meme for us outside of maybe offtanking a boss or using it to solo multiple mobs while leveling. Hoping for a fan of knives or something for next phase for sure

opaque vortex
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even just + energy gain would go a long way for it since the cp loss wouldn't be so crippling

cloud shard
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A rune that gives us energy when we get hit would be sick for tanking

opaque vortex
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energy for being hit, dodging, or parrying would be very good

cloud shard
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Yours sounds better than mine lol

opaque vortex
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that would also help the whole threat issue

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since blade dance doesn't actually do damage so our only source of tank threat is equipped poisons, melees, and w/e energy spender

gray spear