wow-general

[steep dock]

fuckin rwf bs

[tough swallow]

don't think thats the case

[sour patrol]

A guildie of mine gets super excited for it, I just don't see the fun in watching other people play WoW.

[plush dune]

rwf ends by tuesday, heard it here first

someone glitches into the last raid and kills the boss and everyone goes home

[tough swallow]

can't

how would you glitch into it

[short pecan]

im inside rn i glitched

[plush dune]

[short pecan]

soloing the boss rn

[short pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-uma-musume-sakura-bakushin-o-glorpshit-rage-gif-3355913500273597171

[ripe meteor]

Idk.. I feel like everyone relying on “tubing” to fundamentally change the play style doesn’t make sense. Rogue across the board just feels weak in cleave.

[plush dune]

never rely on tubing

[signal mesa]

Fair, Tokyo metro, pretty good, London Underground, sometimes train cancels

[ripe meteor]

Tubing is not the way

However if they Tune well. Then we’re solid, right ?!

[mellow pilot]

It's all about numbers

And tuning doesn't mean changing the playstyle

[ripe meteor]

Royal you’re my number one sooo

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-sarah-bartowski-yvonne-strahovski-wink-smile-gif-3610255

But basically the first weeks of a season are crucial to understand where specs are numerically and see what's needs buffs and nerfs

And more will happen once M+ opens

[ripe meteor]

100% agree! I’m excited to see what changes will be made. They quickly reverted the UH DK nerf which is a positive sign

[fringe umbra]

Idk is it

They wanted to nerf a class by 20% but instead they ended up buffing it

[mellow pilot]

Would you believe it was due to community cry?

(the rebuffing)

[fringe umbra]

Idk

[plush dune]

i'd believe its because uhdk is ions alt this tier

[iron moth]

A lot of ppl rerolled on prepatch

uhdk pop must be at an all time high

[void tangle]

hello all i can't click and write under new layout name any have the same bug or any ?

[rich meadow]

Do we agree with this lol

[sour patrol]

I don't PvP so idk about Mal'Ganis

I should xfer to Bleeding Hollow

[rich meadow]

[sour patrol]

Someone tried to convince me to go to Area 52

Quake lured me to MG

[rich meadow]

I’m on Tich….. and I guess by wow standards I’m a boomer now 😭

[sour patrol]

Funny enough I started playing in Wrath

So being on Mal'Ganis now is ironic

[gentle frigate]

isnt illidan like THE server for raiding

[woeful geyser]

isnt that Area 52 for NA?

idk

but tbh, since crossrealm everything the entire "THE server for Raiding" thing kinda went away

[gentle frigate]

nah its always been illidan and liquid is there so

but you're right I was just responding to the dumbass picture

[maiden sequoia]

is there cap of the talents points for the professions? I mean can i learn every three to the max?

[woeful geyser]

you can learn everything inside a profession over time yeha

there is a weekly cap on how much knowledge you can gain, but there is no finite amount of knowledge points or something like that

[shut spade]

Im flipping this graph tonight gamers

wish me luck

[mellow pilot]

You got this

[indigo hamlet]

Im hoping the number goes up when way more people get 2 and 4 piece, cause I feel weak right now

[woeful geyser]

why wait until the evening?

[mellow pilot]

Fuck that was funny

[ripe meteor]

Dang even feral is above us

[raw hill]

LOLL

[glad harness]

Wdym even feral

[ripe meteor]

Exactly

Time to reroll to a housing designer

[mellow pilot]

Honestly a good choice

Most of my playtime in ff14 was decorating houses

[rare solar]

Yesterday evening all 3 rogue specs were in the bottom 5 on vanguard

Now one made it out

To bottom 6

[turbid heron]

kinda unrelated but I wonder if aug being so high in that fight its just because they are buffing MM

[plush dune]

[solemn elm]

they will never buff rogue to the top 3, would be a 15% buff or more

[astral path]

are myth crafted and max lvl myth track both 289?

or where does myth crafted stuff end up

[mellow pilot]

If nothing changed from tww, crafted should be 3 ilvl lower

[noble kestrel]

It'll be 285. Cap is 289 but crafted is -4 this time, so 285.

[astral path]

i imagine people whos bis isn't weapon probably still want their first crafted to be weapon

unless they're doing mythic raid week 1 type shit

[raw hill]

is it fine that i sent my champp[ crests on just randopm pieces

it just hit me that i shouldve done it on the pieces that had sets

like could be sets

[shut spade]

This empowers my trinket right?

[noble kestrel]

Correct.

[shut spade]

is there any point of doing this for raid?

i mean

does it work in raid

^^

[woeful geyser]

it works in the voidspire raid

[shut spade]

O. O

ouch

[noble kestrel]

Because Voidspire is in the Voidstorm zone.

[shut spade]

i need to get that done quick

[glossy flicker]

it works in all instanced content!

very strong!

not just void zone stuff

[noble kestrel]

Oh, damn

[steep dock]

ye I upgraded it to 263

[raw hill]

wew

is march on quel danas out yet?

[noble kestrel]

Nope, 31st/1st of April

[shut spade]

which one should i upgrade first?

[novel pewter]

Ideally all of them. Can get it quick due to catch-up.

[olive lichen]

What’s this from?

[noble kestrel]

Screenshoting ForeverGuy's very good explaination:

[raw hill]

is there any point in doing the daily mythics if all my gear is already 246 and above

[ember nest]

not reallyu

unless you really want an item but you can farm it next week anyway

[raw hill]

cool thanks

[novel pewter]

I mean - crests

[raw hill]

ah yea i already maxed out on those too

[novel pewter]

Then your good. Can optimize gear a bit if you want but no pressure.

[raw hill]

i might just keep playing to get more haste

i have some of the bis like the ring from magisters and academy+puzzle box but my haste is still only at 600

[novel pewter]

I think getting closer to bis never bad.

There's diminishing returns for sure. But it's not terrible. There's still upgrades available.

[mellow pilot]

Whats bis?

[novel pewter]

Lol fair. I mean best possible gear combination. True bis doesn't exist right now

[mellow pilot]

i actually don't know whats up with sub outside of those 18% haste

[novel pewter]

Particularly on Sub with the stupid haste break points.

I'm not sure anyone really calculated it, to complicated and not worth it. But like on a drop by drop basis the value changes depending on rest of your equipment. It's kinda wild. Stuff raid bots tells me sucks is suddenly best option when I get another drop when combined with that.

[mellow pilot]

thats how sims work yeah

usually ilv is king and betweem 2 items of the same ilvl you sim them

[stuck pier]

is this the best discord for classic tbc rogue info?

[mellow pilot]

no

[stuck pier]

whats that one please?

[mellow pilot]

check simonizeshow discord

https://discord.gg/6FR4JkSX

[stuck pier]

thanks alot, i'm a bit lost on rogue resources. anything else you would recommend?

[dense basin]

Fam, do you know if completing the housing quest that gives 20 hero crests when u r capped for the week will waste the quest reward crests?

[turbid heron]

Yes

[novel pewter]

No it's worse than that - very drastic swings based on particular gear sets hitting 18% or not. You might have 3 items combined that all DPS losses and lower ilvl - but equipping all 3 is a gain.

Maybe I just never paid this much attention before. Lol.

[vernal timber]

m0 vault items arent hero are they

[novel pewter]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[vernal timber]

wack

[fair hatch]

sub for raid sin for M+?

or does outlaw have a spot too

[tough swallow]

anything wrong?

[vernal timber]

i mean the m0 vault items arent hero

[vernal timber]

that list is goated

[spare hound]

what spec should i lvl with lads

fastest

[novel pewter]

Imo sub

[shut spade]

Ayy

think i did well

Missed some timings

and mostly tried to focus on boss damage

Heroic on sunday^^

[long ice]

don't myth crests start dropping from +9?

[ember nest]

on m+ it was +7 thing

[floral spruce]

Which rogue specialization looks better

[hearty fog]

Im told you need delves journey lvl 4 or something

[haughty kelp]

sub cause we turn purple and we have shadows

[long ice]

from the m+ portion of the chart

[hearty fog]

oh

7 from this one

[mellow pilot]

The one you enjoy the most

[balmy lark]

Try 86, it's bug ?

[plush dune]

no its a big void thingy

[mellow pilot]

[static epoch]

wait wym Vidaeus
huh?

[balmy lark]

this name in my country

[balmy lark]

huge, strategy ?

[mellow pilot]

Kill it

Don't be killed

Tricks valeera

[balmy lark]

If she die

What u do

[rare solar]

run around for 30s

[balmy lark]

Ohhhhhh

[hollow roost]

Hi, would you recommend I play Subtlety Rogue, Worgen, or Night Elf?

[candid prism]

Nah fuck that

You enhanced feint, crimson vial, and get her off the floor

We don't abandon healers in this house, we're not mages

[tawny stream]

night elf imo

[candid prism]

Do you pvp?

[mellow pilot]

It doesn't matter

Just pick the one you think is the coolest

[candid prism]

doesn't nelf matter a bit in pvp

or not so much anymore

[mellow pilot]

It does if you're already good at pvp

[candid prism]

I mean yeah fair

lol

[mellow pilot]

Shadowmeld is a really powerful tool but requires a lot of practice and game knowledge to fully taking advantage off in arena

[wicked monolith]

Nightmare prey feels hard only because i am competing against 20 others for the darn traps lol

Skill gap tbh

[tawny stream]

meld is just another vanish with a longer cd for mythics also if ur not in a boss fight

doesn’t really matter tho

[mellow pilot]

Yes but no

In pve it is easier to do that than in pvp

[tawny stream]

yeah pvp idk shit

[tawny stream]

but id just do this

which is nelf

rogue and nelf

just fits..

[mellow pilot]

Basically the same shit but where are people targeting you, AoEs that will cancel meld asap, pets, bleeds and dots

A lot of stuff that will make that button obsolete if you fuck up the timings

[tawny stream]

yeah i’d imagine it’s extremely difficult to actually take advantage of in pvp

[mellow pilot]

It's one of those things that when it clicks, it clicks

[raw hill]

i love when im fighting the prey for the final one ans i accidentally prey vanish so the guy heals to full and resets

[mellow pilot]

Iirc if you're fast enough you could vanish

[candid prism]

yeah you need to be slamming an ability as you vanish lol

[raw hill]

ye thats my mistake

[bright wraith]

if i have two separate accounts combined into one battle net account, do they share the btag?

[edgy nimbus]

whats the fastest/easiest delve to solo up to 8?

[olive lichen]

Always a fun day. Bought a Mac need a new mouse because one I haven’t doesn’t work with synapse 🤣

[remote verge]

collegiate is pretty easy most days

[olive lichen]

The void one is easy. The boss does no damage with healer and you can skip most the mobs in stealth and do the objectives

[nova zephyr]

Ye Ol' Faithful Rogue discord. come in clutch again

looking for a spreadsheet for all raid pieces of loot this season, and a list of specs that its classified "BiS" for

i know they've existed in the past, can anyone help me out?

||THEY GAVE MY BIS TRINKET TO A FURY WARRIOR AND IT MADE ME ANGRY||

[steep dock]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steep dock]

oh its not that

[nova zephyr]

thats just rogue ye ye

i want like.
Leather wrist first boss: Bis: Rogue/Sub Boomkin, Feral

etc etc etc

[steep dock]

ya

[nova zephyr]

either it doesnt exist for S1 midnight, or my google skills are poor

[steep dock]

ye,most go to just wowhead or icyveins

I cant find anything really, ask echo nicely or something

[shut spade]

Does it mean i can craft mythic weapon this week? O. O

im gonna see

if they drop mythic crests now

[plush dune]

it caps at 20 per week

if its like previous seasons

[long horizon]

Yes it's 20 max

[shut spade]

ohh

thank you

[mellow pilot]

But BiS doesn't really exist tho

It doesn't matter if you have supposed BiS item from boss X or Y and it seems worse than what you had before

The only bis items are trinkets and special items

[tropic pecan]

yo guys do we use all of our keys in delves this week?

[steep dock]

I did atleast, m+ and shit next reset anyway

and coffer keys drop from everything pretty much

[digital sky]

Is there a benefit to upgrade warcraft logs into archon app?

[long ice]

There’s not really a reason to hold them

[lofty bolt]

hello guys, just leveling a rogue, last time i played was BfA. What's the best spec for leveling/end game content? sorry if the question was asked already before

[plain hamlet]

Rogue is not really a great leveller regardless, we take a lot of damage and dont have a way to handle it most of the time, that being said it's levelling so just play whatever calls out to you. Endgame content is not really out yet, so we don't know too much

[lofty bolt]

ok ty

[plain hamlet]

because i didnt really help you with your question, I like Sub, give that a go if you have no clue

[austere breach]

Is there any resource on uncapped crest sources for this week?

[lofty bolt]

xD dont worry, I'm already 54 playing outlaw, just questioned if maybe sub or assa was better

[edgy nimbus]

is it possible to get 80 hero crests this week?

[mellow pilot]

The one you play better is the best

[mellow pilot]

Maybe with heroic bosses?

[edgy nimbus]

yeah i gotta see havent done raid on HC yet

[austere breach]

I've been getting hero crests for clearing tier 11 delves

[noble kestrel]

It is, yeah. Delves, raid bosses, "?" nemesis.

[steep dock]

you can def get over 80

[noble kestrel]

Ye, I'm capped.

[daring sundial]

So seems like there's no way to beat this dude without cheesing with ToTT

That's just bad fight design imo

[steep dock]

you can grp for it and then solo it later

[daring sundial]

Oh I didn't know it was groupable

Either way I prefer the solo challenge I just wish he didn't melee for 1/3 of my health

Give me hard mechanics

[harsh yew]

it's soloable without cheese

i did it the other day

[daring sundial]

How did you not get chunked by melees?

And what level is your valeera

[harsh yew]

I did, i used shadow dance to juggle aggro and heal between

she was 23 at the time

[daring sundial]

Nice how many attempts

[harsh yew]

8 total

[daring sundial]

Damn that's solid

[harsh yew]

it's not easy

[daring sundial]

What's your ilvl? 250ish?

[harsh yew]

i was 255

[daring sundial]

Little higher than me

I'll try again after I get my vault loot

[harsh yew]

honestly though it was just 99% focusing on staying alive, dps wan't really relevant

[daring sundial]

That's usually how these things go

My buddy and I used to find ways to cheese these kinds of things way back in the day. Usually 2 manning raids from the previous expansion

We 2 manned razorgore by having him run around kiting adds as a resto druid keeping rejuv on the two of us while I channeled the orb and smashed eggs lol

[ebon aspen]

Hey guys, is there any resource that tells you which spec is optimal for each boss? I know they have different builds for each spec, but I was curious if they had one that was similar except it tells you to outright switch specs if it’s better

[unreal gulch]

Best bet is looking at warcraftlogs

Atleast tells you whats better on the meter

[rich meadow]

anyone use tip tac? is there a setting that hides mouseover tooltip for your character?

[edgy nimbus]

I love looking at logs and seeing rogues in the bottom 25% every raid tier

[noble kestrel]

I'm doing my part

[steep iron]

Maybe asking here instead of the sub channel is better.

I am newer to simming in retail. How are we simming to optimize for raid? I understand we sim Dungeon Slice for M+. But what settings should I enter at the bottom of the sim?

[quiet apex]

look at rankings for your spec on each boss to see what the most used build is. there are so many add fights you can't just sim patchwerk and call it a day this tier really

[sour patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-do-fucking-shit-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i-didnt-do-anything-i-did-jack-shit-i-did-fuck-all-gif-8193321463410745871

[ornate nest]

any season 1 dungeons that Wound poison is useful at?

[static epoch]

doubtful, very few heals and they're all kickable

[forest sleet]

cool chess grass here

[sour patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-chess-gif-23933631

[mellow pilot]

Wdym at the bottom?

Raid buffs?

[rotund patrol]

you sim 1 target patchwerk

[fathom cosmos]

Guys, since m+ season is right around a corner its time to set up your Name Plate addons.
Previously i was using Quazii Plater profile but well.... Hes gone.
Im lookign for inspiration, feel free to share your screens!
BTW one more Question, is it still possible to somehow color enemy nameplate based on mob type?
Previously i had Pink=caster etc. Is it possible in Midnight?

[steep iron]

When looking at the Top gear sim to detarmine what get I should be using in raid.

This section here.

[steep iron]

1 target patchwerk for how long? 3-4m?

Are you adjusting this at all this tier due to the number of adds?

[rotund patrol]

5 minutes

no you don't adjust it
patchwerk is just a benchmark for your character
the purpose of it is just to find the best possible combination of items/talents/enchants

when it comes to AoE/M+ then some specs have their APL optimized for dungeon slice. or for 8t patchwerk for 30s. or other combination of targets/duration

[short pecan]

what was the spec command

!newmain

!main

ah its in the offtopic channel

[heady musk]

Outlaw or sub gonna have an easier time in delves and open world?

[unreal gulch]

Probably sub, because you atleast have burst

[solemn token]

Can anyone recommend me a nice Plater profile, I'm having quite a hard time finding one i like. main issue being its hard to see which mobs has my bleeds when they're tightly stacked

[nova magnet]

Guys, is it better to max an item to 6/6 or to share those crests among multiple items?

[mellow pilot]

Theoretically you can sim that

[wicked monolith]

What is the best way currently to level delve journey?

Bountiful delves at lvl 8?

[plush dune]

yes

bountiful delves are the only way to level it

but you can do bountifuls on alts to level faster if you really want to

[wicked monolith]

Im only at lvl 2, and bountifuls are consumed after one daily run right?

[steep dock]

ye

[plush dune]

each character can do 4 daily

1 in each zone

[wicked monolith]

Thanks! So im all capped out for today then

[vernal timber]

anyone knows if the portals on first boss in voidspire are random? it sure feels like they are

boss is on a corner and spawns the 3 portals like on the opposite side of the room

[turbid heron]

the nemesis boxes also give extra journey for the bountifuls

[wicked monolith]

Was hoping there was an infinite grind option, so i could catch up. Looks like its just timegated at the moment

[polar python]

does the delve spamming shit for leveling still work? if so what delve do i do?

[mellow pilot]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[fervent ibex]

Shadowguard delve but it has to be on the calamitous rotation. Lots of guides for leveling on YT

[dense fractal]

anyone know best delve for spamming for veteran gear

[hushed heart]

fellas am i missing something or is there no debuff blacklist on default blizz ui enemy nameplate or combo point anchor

[sullen elm]

IS raid full ST spec not worth it?

Should I be going the more cleave spec?

For Assa

[daring sundial]

So when you guys do nullaeus are you putting valeera on tank?

She's dying super fast and I'm still trying to figure out how to avoid that

[candid prism]

tank isn't really useful because it won't heal itself

you set her to healer

[harsh pelican]

Anyone knows a grindable source of veteran gear and crests for alts?

[hearty fog]

preys

[ember nest]

veteran gear is limited but you can use the crests to craft the leftover slots

you get some from doing the weekly things

and pinnacle chests

[harsh pelican]

Thanks

[harsh pelican]

Yeah, I tough I would get 250ilvl super fast in this alt now that I only need 10 crests per upgrade, but I did not know how rare is veteran gear (easier to get champion than veteran, lol)

[ember nest]

you can use 80 crests to craft veteran gear quite easily yea

but otherwise it is drip fed

[rocky island]

How are people i259 without having heroic lockouts?

[raw hill]

maybe they were very very lucky?

[small wing]

is there a small addon to show trinket? i usded a weak aura before. i dont want a to install a big suite just for that

[hearty fog]

champion gear -> use crests

[edgy nimbus]

i hate what they did to details

you cant even see whos padding on adds

[oak tartan]

Look in logs

[edgy nimbus]

yeah i could look in game before

now we gotta logcheck everything

cringe

[manic sedge]

unethical gamers are eating good this tier

[edgy nimbus]

do not pug dragons 💀

holy fiesta

[ember nest]

expected

[noble kestrel]

Can confirm, I just killed them though. They suck in pugs!

Do you enjoy seeing the raid get feared repeatedly? Fight the dragons today

[edgy nimbus]

does anyone know how i can catch up on sparks?

my dk only has 1 and i have the weekly to get 2nd

but i should have 4

[plush dune]

you just get catchup sparks naturally from content

raids/dungeons/delves etc

[ember nest]

the weekly should have 2 sparks if you are behind too

like each giving one

[sour patrol]

I'm 252 and still could upgrade items

[leaden parcel]

Anyone else with this issue? Tracked it down to the Dirty Tricks addon (or at least it stops when I deactivate it):

[remote yew]

sporasaur special gulf of memory or invasive glow collegiate calamity , atleast until darkway comes out

[long reef]

Same Problem Here.Also disabled all Addons still the Same

[viscid garnet]

what is the best addon for armory ilvl showing now btw?

[iron moth]

I am convinced that the rogue dev also created abundance

[noble kestrel]

Dundun is my hero

[plush dune]

[iron moth]

wish we could give him more stuff like the crown

dress him up real royally

[noble kestrel]

agreed.

Give him a little throne. Just go full Emperor Rattus.

[plush dune]

i cant wait until the .5 raid where we fight him

he grows too abundant

[noble kestrel]

He better be sitting on a couch with a wine glass

[hushed prism]

simulationcraft no longer working?

[next axle]

working ! /simc in game , post on raidbots and sim it

[vernal frigate]

[vernal timber]

we cant see tier set bonuses in-game anymore?

they used to show up on shift J

[main orbit]

I just wowhead 2nd Monitor rly quick

[vernal timber]

that's so weird they'd remove that

[bitter thunder]

Hey all, has anyone found any good alert-type addons for trinkets like Vessel of Tortured Souls? Definitely missing a few of these damn orbs.

[shadow leaf]

Sooo for raid is it still assa top or sub?

[daring sundial]

how he fuck do you revive valeera when the orb is dragging you away from her?

There seems to be a lot of RNG to this fight

I don't mind if I wipe because I fucked up, but wiping because I just got unlucky and she died when the orb was nearby is just stupid

[astral path]

this is actually painful to look at lol

[pure condor]

Anyone can help ?

I’m trying to invite a persone in the ravenholdt discord but it seems the invite doesn’t work anymore

[mellow pilot]

Were they banned?

[iron moth]

Lmao at that demo with 29% being at the mid

[astral path]

29% to my 82 being 11k above me lol

we are just atrociously bad on paladins ig

[meager totem]

yes quite literally dead last tied with ele

and its not even that close

[daring sundial]

I hate him

[iron moth]

the bane of rogues

I dont think there is a class worse tooled to deal with him than us

[daring sundial]

having to use tricks is just stupid

I hate cheesing fights like this

[pure condor]

Nope

He’s the first time trying to enter here

[ruby totem]

What exactly does going above 100 in herbalism do for you

Obviously for crafting professions it makes it easier to make better quality items but what about for gathering

[pure condor]

ok only the admin atm can genenerate an invite link

[woeful geyser]

higher skill = more stuff gathered and higher chance for higher quality

[sour patrol]

I've seen cars hit by trains take less damage

[ruby totem]

Mkay, other than the end of the tree bonus for more lotus is there any way to find more>'

[meager totem]

https://discord.gg/ravenholdt

doesnt this always work?

[icy lion]

why all people got 4 sparks, i only got 3... what did i miss?

[olive lichen]

what do you need to craft the weps, sparks and crests i have, whats the extra crap you need

[queen kelp]

guys can i only craft from 1 character?

[unreal gulch]

probably the quest this week

or you didnt do enough content to drop the remaining one

[icy lion]

found it i forgot midnight worldtour quest

[neon musk]

seen a cpl rogues running this as a trink?

[unreal gulch]

Probably because they sim their gear and nothing else that they have sims better

Its early into the tier

Season didnt start

[leaden parcel]

This took so many hours to pug, I regret nothing

[pale bramble]

Are we still in play whatever spec territory?

[mellow pilot]

Since always yeah

You can also check warcraft logs

[analog ridge]

Quick help!
My friend has 3 sparks, instead of 4.
I checked quests with him and dailies, but he doesnt have anything. Where does the 4th one drop? 😮

[meager totem]

free from the catalyst guy

[haughty kelp]

check the midnight tour from the main npc under the middle of silvermoon where u pick what zone u go to next

[analog ridge]

I actually found the issue. He had to speak to a dragon that's lounging on a couch inside the Inn in Silvermoon, skip the dialogue twice and then a quest appears at Lo'rthemar...

Crazy

[stark compass]

guys i want an alt that feels similar to play to rogue
what do i play

[long ice]

Feral is the low-hanging fruit answer

[inland gale]

WW maybe

[hearty fog]

paladin as well since they are also combo points

[hearty fog]

i might be outdated on this but WW is deceptively not rogue feeling despite both having combo points and energy

[wintry tinsel]

Feral, Rogue and WW monk has 1 sec GCD. Keep that in mind.

[bitter egret]

Do i send a catalyst charge or wait for Vault?

[spare hound]

Does anyone know why my unitframes (elvui) move automatically once I enter combat? Any help is appreciated

[rare solar]

Do you want to send for a 2 piece and then have 2 piece plus half a second 2 piece on wednesday

[hearty fog]

Wait until you can guarantee 4p

[daring sundial]

What's this nullaeus enrage I keep hearing about

I haven't seen it

[short pecan]

i miss drogbar rocks

[static epoch]

I don't

[fleet cloud]

Relatively new to rogue, quick question: is it possible to main sub rogue and easily swap to outlaw when I feel like playing something else? And I mean in terms of gear/weapon and so on, not playstyle 🙂

[torpid harness]

I mean you do sometimes get one handed swords for example yeah

But obviously you may be lacking a few ilvls at times if you don't get them

You can use your dagger for offhand I'm pretty sure

Some people say it's better is what I've read but I don't play outlaw

[fleet cloud]

I see, what about secondary stats? I assume it’s easier to dual spec assassin and sub but assassin hasn’t hit for me

And what would you guys recommend I craft first with my sparks if I want to dual spec sub and outlaw?

[fast garden]

Tbh if you want to play both you'll need to have two sets of gear, stats are not the same or another char

For your craft, craft whats the best for the spec you aim to play more (usually a main weap)

Wouldnt say its easy to swap if you want to perform at the same level on both specs

[mellow pilot]

Assassination works alright with sub stats, it isn't much of a problem

[fast garden]

Yes but outlaw doesnt, he wants to switch between outlaw and sub

[mellow pilot]

Sometimes context is important, so glad I missed it /s

[raw hill]

oh but isnt it crit, haste, mastery for assassin whereas for sub its mastery, haste, crit

[mellow pilot]

Assassination prioritizes ilvl most of all, and it doesn't just suck because you don't have the right stats, that's why it's easier to gear towards sub/outlaw and alt assa

[fleet cloud]

Thanks for clarifying everything guys, will craft weapon for sub since I’ll main it

[spiral tide]

Yo guys, what's the best option to sim for mm+ ?

[ember nest]

dungeon slice but it is to try and get info for gearing

not how much dps you will do in a dungeon

[spiral tide]

all right so i do this to compare top gear ? best way for it ?

[ember nest]

yea dungeon slice in top gear

[somber idol]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[spare steeple]

In game it says myth crest start dropping in 9s now

[sour patrol]

Aren't M0 on a daily lockout now? I haven't done any today after the reset and yet it's telling me they all unlock tomorrow

[elder canyon]

yes. Have been the entire week

Do we get 1 or 2 sparks next week? Asking because i havent decided on a spec yet and im wondering if i should hold off crafting second item 😄

[sour patrol]

You should have 4 at this point

[elder canyon]

Yea but assa second craft is different than sub. So i either hold off until im sure which one i play or if we get 2 sparks next week it doesnt matter becasue i could craft again

[mellow pilot]

What is sub crafting as 2nd?

[haughty kelp]

belt

[elder canyon]

according to guide its waist

[mellow pilot]

Hmmm is the embellishment the same?

Because if yes, it doesn't really matter

[elder canyon]

Looks like it. Stats are different though but those are recraftable

[mellow pilot]

In theory you want to hit 18% haste as sub mainly, and assa likes any Stat, crit haste are what guides recommend but it wouldn't make or break your build as assa if you had a haste mastery belt/wrists

The important part is the embellishment

@tough swallow just to be 100% sure: for sub y'all are focusing on reaching 18% haste before committing in any other stat, correct?

[tough swallow]

you want roughly 18% haste

usually ~680-700 with oils is good

[mellow pilot]

So can I assume what I said above is true?

[elder canyon]

Thanks. Ill just craft now then !

[edgy nimbus]

i never do delves i have 2 questions:

1. where can i farm key fragments?
2. do i need keys to get a map from 8+ bountiful delves?

[long ice]

weekly events, prey hunts, elites/chests all give key fragments

and iirc yes they need to be bountiful to drop a map

but you can get the map from a non-bountiful chest

one of the 2x regular ones that always spawn

[edgy nimbus]

Thanks

Do i need key to get hero item from +8 or higher bountiful

obv with map

[long ice]

its recommended to yes bc there's no real point to running a non-bountiful 8+

[raw hill]

casual party

[rotund patrol]

I mean that's how you are supposed to farm gear

[raw hill]

pallys are doing absolutely insane dps

[wicked monolith]

Of course. Theyve got plot armor

[rotund patrol]

ye

since the rework

[raw hill]

"the sunwell's power"

[rotund patrol]

they've been kind of broken every season

[elder canyon]

Plotarmor meaning they shut down the disc when it doesnt work lmao

[raw hill]

why do we take veiltouched instead of finality in M+ talent build?

do the clones count as magic dmg

[ember nest]

if you mean as sub it is just because it does more damage

one only buffs evis and bp the other all magic damage

[raw hill]

oh sorry i thought i was in sub channel

[ember nest]

finality is just not that good

[raw hill]

oh so its just better overall for veiltouched

i see

ty

[elder canyon]

Are feast tolltips bugged? Why would we prefer silvermoon parade over Harandar Celebration when both give 50 primary but harandar costs almost nothing?

[fringe umbra]

They do the same thing

So just choose the cheapest

[fossil monolith]

@honest panther when back to twitch 🗣️

[last swift]

Best race for rogue from animation & style ?

[daring sundial]

nullaeus is hitting me with melees WHILE CASTING SPELLS

wtf is this shit

[sour patrol]

He's casting FIST

[daring sundial]

this fight isn't even difficult it's just bullshit

if I'm not dying to melees during spell casts I'm dying because I get dragged away from valeera while trying to revive her

fucking gravity orb

[solid rock]

hello! Do we know whats the meta for raid and M+ spec wise?

[daring sundial]

I'm going to crash tf out

[thin acorn]

i have gotten 4 sparks of radiance already but i know have a pvp quest that offer 1 aswell. It even says in green text that i havent gotten my spark this week. Can this be true? i thought it was capped at 4 this week.

[tall mesa]

did u craft with spark?

[elder canyon]

yes

[tall mesa]

ty

[sour patrol]

Fun fact about the Totem Annihilation story in the Atal'Aman delve.
On the last boss Spiritflayer Jin'Ma, if you stand right here between the two pots when he casts Flaying Knife, all three of your flayed souls will land directly on top of you. You'll have to dodge the circles afterwards though, but then you just sit right back on this spot.

Probably not a huge tip but it's interesting

[static epoch]

funny how T11 bosses have the same HP as m+0 bosses

[sour patrol]

The only issue I have in 11s are the two kinds of trios that spawn from the Nemesis nodes

The doggos and the basilisk things

The Godzilla thing and the huge bug are nothing

Well other than Valeera's rampant ADHD

[static epoch]

yeah agreed

[wise abyss]

just tricks alleria to have her tank it and it's kinda free

[static epoch]

basilisk things are nasty damage-wise

you really have to Tricks Valeera for them

[sour patrol]

Eh, just chain your Kidney Shot after her stun, Shiv the enrage off. Collect hearts.

Valeera decided I should fight both

[ashen zinc]

fastest rogue spec to lvl up with

[novel pewter]

Imo sub 100%.

[ashen zinc]

alr ty

[woeful geyser]

creditcard

[ashen zinc]

lmao

fact that i bought the game few days ago

took my entire savings

[novel pewter]

Should have a boost to 80 if you just bought,

No?

[ashen zinc]

yes

wasted that

because of a friend

lol

i dont regret tho

[novel pewter]

Ah. Happens.

[ashen zinc]

druid is versatile

bro this game is not student friendly

like thats so expensive

[mellow pilot]

Agreed

[sour patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/xmen-flip-card-playing-card-gif-13311418

[ashen zinc]

is it possible to get darkmoon exp boost or no today

[mellow pilot]

Nop

[ashen zinc]

alr ty

[rotund patrol]

more arrows

[tiny bison]

which mythic boss will eb easier to pug the dreamrift or the tic tac toe one ?

[woeful geyser]

very very likely the first 3 of voidspire

dreamrift is kinda supposed to be balanced like a midtier boss

[novel pewter]

Dreamrift isn't terrible it's just got really tight DPS checks for week 1 / pugs.

Relatively easy if you get a group without a bunch of people doing bad damage.

Vanguard is pretty free.

Double Drake's is.... Good luck.

[woeful geyser]

you know that he asked about mythic right

[novel pewter]

Oh. Lol I'm trolling then.

Idk about mythic. We see.

[ashen zinc]

dmg is horrid on sub early on

[woeful geyser]

its a burst spec that has the majority of its dmg put into shadowdance windows

[novel pewter]

Yeah you've got a dance for every set of mobs.

Combat or sin might do better up until you get double dance talent.

[thin acorn]

how come the only spark of radiance quest i have for this week is from pvp?

[ashen zinc]

ok ok i see

[fossil atlas]

Are there any delves in midnight that can be cheesed by rogues?

[rotund patrol]

[iron moth]

atalaman

I can do t11 in like, 3 mins

[fossil atlas]

Good to know. Thank you!

[midnight venture]

If i put an alt on backburner for this week, what is the most important thing i should still do with him? the weekly hero item from delves?

[sour patrol]

Pretty much any versions that don't involve "kill % of something"

[rare solar]

Delves and any raid kills u can get for tier drop+vault

[vernal cosmos]

does any rogue spec use slice and dice?

[fringe umbra]

No spec casts it manually no

Its automatically applied by their main finisher

[vernal cosmos]

Word ty

[rare solar]

Very minor outlaw optimizations for m+ yeah

So basically still no

[forest arrow]

Overwolf is not allowing me to download the Warcraft Companion Log, for some reason I do not know.
Is there any other way people upload logs that they get from Ask Mr.Robot?

[vernal cosmos]

Oh? How does outlaw use it? Cause that's the spec I'm intereested in

[rare solar]

More info in #outlaw-faq

[wary knoll]

id be cautious about being interested in Outlaw during this patch lol

probably the worst numberswise it has been in a long time

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah. I played it some during last season, and it's just hella fun

A for fun alt for the moment

[wary knoll]

that gameplays been largely very simplified

theres no vanish aspect now or the ADHD blitzing

[vernal cosmos]

Yea, I'm a fan of the new RtB

It feels a lot cleaner from my experience

So far

[vernal cosmos]

nice ty

[ruby totem]

GL tommorrow in the great slot machine

[haughty kelp]

dude this just made me want to make an addon thats just slots

for all the gamblers in wow

[hearty fog]

https://wowutils.com/loot/playground/vault

you mean this?

[haughty kelp]

wait this is awesome lmfaoo

yes but i meant like actual gambling like a casino slot machine instead of peggle u know

[hearty fog]

[ruby totem]

Idea

Tinder integration

Swipe while you raid

When you match announce in guild chat

[fallow brook]

Don't want to be disappointed TWICE in raid

[ruby totem]

Mouse wheel up and down for match and spin that mfer with compressed air

[raw hill]

oh god lol

if i dont get tier piece ill just be sad

[shut olive]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[proud barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/season-1-mythic-rewards-loot-drops-mounts-achievements wowhead shows myth crests from +9 instead?

[main peak]

anyone know if theres any functional difference between the eyes of the eagle ring enchant ranks

[static epoch]

yes
it's 0.75 and 1.25

both of which get rounded to the nearest integer in the tooltip, that being 1

[main peak]

gotcha

[oak tartan]

What's the eagle doin?

[main peak]

lookin

[static epoch]

crit effectiveness +%

[slow sparrow]

is that crit damage multi

or crit rate multi

[unreal gulch]

Probably dagger

Since you wont use that sword

[soft cipher]

Can anybody please look at my log and give me some pointers?:)

[rotund patrol]

type !log in the spec channel

[static epoch]

damage multi

[ruby linden]

Sanity check question, if I’m re-crafting daggers and not changing embellishment, do I need to pass them as mats still? Or just the myth crests and the base materials (which will be lesser in quantity than actual craft)

[ember nest]

yea you still need the mats just less as you said

[crimson sparrow]

When recrafting your weapon. You'll give max rank of the reagents required for the recraft of the weapon only. Previous embellishments will stay

[ruby linden]

Okay, I was worried if I’d need the embellishment or missives again lol. I never recrafted before

Thank you

[crimson sparrow]

No problem

[steel mantle]

How is rogue performing in m+ compare to other classes?

[mellow pilot]

M+ isn't out yet

[steel mantle]

I know. Im main Mage and i can say if mage is good in m+ scenario or not.. im just dont know about rogue dmg output.

[ruby linden]

I hear good things about non arcane mages… rumblings even

[mellow pilot]

You want data without data

That's not how it works

[ruby linden]

I’ll give you data

[raw hill]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-eyes-clean-shine-spongebob-gif-16260550

[mellow pilot]

Thank you but what am I looking at

[ruby linden]

Arcane mage damage sucks please buff

[shy temple]

what would u say is best option for m+

after changes tomorrow / tonight

[mellow pilot]

Read a few lines above

[shy temple]

yeah ikr but which spec is supposedly the best

[raw hill]

if u really want an answer, just go play mage lol

[shy temple]

or are they all pretty even so u cant say that

for m+

[mellow pilot]

I don't think you understand what "we don't have data yet" means

[shy temple]

i totaly understand

[ruby linden]

They seem even

[shy temple]

My questions was did someone play all 3 specs in m0 and can u say which is performing better

[ruby linden]

But no one knows about m+

[mellow pilot]

Once people start clearing 12/13/14 and experiment stuff, that's when we'll know

[ruby linden]

m0 would kind of have no basis moving into m+ and the tuning changes imo

More like little basis

[mellow pilot]

Exactly

[shy temple]

mhm i mean u could watch how the specs perform in m0

[unreal gulch]

Devourer was garbage in m0

[shy temple]

cause the changes that are coming are only buffs

[unreal gulch]

But is strong in m+

No

Stuff dies immediately

[ruby linden]

Especially since, for example, assa does better with fb talent but maybe performs better with deathstalker in higher keys (unfounded claim I have no way of verifying this sentence), such things can’t be tested in m0

[unreal gulch]

Front loaded damage is favored

[shy temple]

yeah thats true

[fallow brook]

Not really, doesnt really take into account specs with ramping dmg etc

[shy temple]

so rogue needs a little time

for big dmg

on aoe

[mellow pilot]

... No

That's not it

Assassination does, sub doesn't

Outlaw hell I know

[ruby linden]

Early keys statistics will favor bursty specs like sub with no bearing on how it’ll be in m+

[fallow brook]

Basically just means cant use m0 to judge whats going to be OP

[shy temple]

but it could be different cause adds stay alive longer etc

in m+

i get it

[ruby linden]

si

[shy temple]

like i said i was just wondering if soemone with big brain has an idea

and maybe calculated smth

[mellow pilot]

That's feelscraft

[shy temple]

yeah and even that would have been only an "idea" not the real world

tomorrow

[rigid hollow]

any idea whats happening to gaze ? simmed 3k earlier this week last night simmed 9k and now back to 3k

[mellow pilot]

Better during the night confirmed

(no idea)

[ruby linden]

Darkest night irl proc

Are you using weekly, latest or nightly?

[rigid hollow]

usually using nightly

but tested both weekly and nightly yday and it was simming +9k

[ruby linden]

I’m assuming tuning changes updated overnight

[rigid hollow]

someone said its bugged in game so they changed the sims to reflect that, but weird that the sims are back to normal now

[alpine bridge]

Just heard about it, there was a crafting exploit?

[ruby linden]

There was a knowledge point/professions exploit. What’s the crafting exploit?

[mellow pilot]

And people were banned

[alpine bridge]

Idk 😅
Came here to discover it.

[ruby linden]

They were banned

[static epoch]

and their knowledge was reset to 0, apparently

[shell hill]

It’s whack in game, they changed it, realized it was different from what they thought was going on, reverted the change, added a new change, adjusted it, that’s where we’re at now

[ember nest]

playing musical chairs with that one

[limber edge]

Hey do u guys know if we can already drop guilded crest in delves tier 11 ?

[ember nest]

yes but you need delve journer lvl 4

[glad harness]

Its only 150 delves

[ember nest]

think if you have like 6 or 7 alts and did 8 bountifuls with main and 6 with them

should be enough but also

f that

[rotund patrol]

tier 8 bountiful delve + bountiful chest give 400 reputation

[fringe umbra]

Also its presumably capped per week like it was in tww

At like 20 or whatever

[ruby linden]

Yes

At least it’s not timed poorly like the PvP hero neck gear

[unreal gulch]

Its arguably worse imo

Because I'd guess most people dont wanna run that many delves

For just that poor reward

[ruby linden]

I wanted to try pvp for the catalyst last week.,

[brisk vector]

i have main + alt and feel like i barely did any delves and hit journey level 4 yesterday

[plush dune]

yeah i only did bountiful delves on 3 characters, and two of those only did like 1-2 days worth

you get a big boost from using keys + using the map

not that the delve crests are important anyway, but at rank 10 you get a hearthstone so its very important to level

[spare steeple]

pretty sure the upgrade chart is off btw

[surreal void]

if you had more than 1 char, you should hit level 4 this week for delvers journey i imagine

im like halfway into level 3. doing bountiful delves without a key only gives about 200-220 rep per

my plan is to just knock out some bountiful keys, then do the myth crests at rank 4 in t11

[torn swift]

yo o/ does anyone else have the problem that valeera doesnt show in the party frame ? is there an option i need to enable for her to show up =?

[long ice]

somtimes yeah

I usually just zone out and in and it fixes it

[autumn raptor]

how longs server usually down?

my first reset in awhile

[long ice]

this one is extended, 4 hours so another 2 to go

typically just an hour, sometimes a little more

[north shale]

bit funny

I always wanted to see assa at the bottom instead of top charts, but not with other specs lol

[mellow pilot]

Any reason in specific?

[sour patrol]

I'm having a slow time trying to do delves on my Mage, I need more gear I think.
I used all my Keys though, I need to do more Bountifuls

[north shale]

because it's boring, I dislike dot based gameplay and it was default go-to spec for like 2 expansions now due to blizzard refusing to sit down and work on outlaw & sub to make 'em good

[mellow pilot]

How do you feel about sub now?

[north shale]

still bad

[sour patrol]

[north shale]

ASSASTINKNATION

my hate for it is unreal

[sour patrol]

Who hurt you, child

[north shale]

blizzard did, with firing actual rogue dev

[sour patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-laugh-gif-17735215023817042255

[north shale]

yeah gold turned piss

[surreal void]

some clases just feel awful on it. my ele shaman was similar, i had to go enhancement to make it feel a bit easier. at 250 ilvl a t11 delve is still rough. but my DH going tank mode turns T11 into a joke. i might try tank valeera and healer shaman but not sure

[sour patrol]

I blow through 11s on Rogue.
I have to be super cautious and cheap on my Mage in 8s.
They're only a few ilvls apart.

[iron moth]

nerf rogue

buff mage

[surreal void]

yeah pretty much how ive had it

valeera with porc blade and mandate is insane on dps also

especially once shes 5 stacked on mandate, she will solo everything in a t11 except bosses

[sour patrol]

I run her as Healer, would Dps be better?

[woeful geyser]

nah

if you play dps, you need her as a healer

[surreal void]

just depends, ive ran her as dps as a dps since 250 ilvl on DH at t8

i can run her as dps in t11 as a dps as well, but ultimately she kills quicker when im in tanking on t11

as long as you can take the blows, valeera dps is king

always let her harvest the herbs/fish/ore for mandate of sacred death

[ember nest]

dps valeera is dangerous games

i like that

through the fire and flames

[woeful geyser]

yeha

this is the rogue discord

[magic herald]

but that isn't even true - sub has been the go-to spec in every tier but Amirdrassil and this tier is probably gonna be sub again. I don't remember an outlaw tier though, Castle Nathria maybe?

[woeful geyser]

"but amidrassil"?

[wary hemlock]

whos lissend to the new song that Aurora made for blizzard

[woeful geyser]

sub was the best spec for 2 out of the 3 hardest fights in that raid btw

[magic herald]

might be - I just remember assa being really strong that tier ^^

[noble kestrel]

Smolderon looking at this chat with a 'really' expression

[ember nest]

assa got nerfed quite fast

but it was very good on igira

[inland gale]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[torpid harness]

This was so cool tbh, I remember the day we walked through the dark portal in game on TBC launch. I got flashbacks when it happened in the music video and goosebumps.

Although the flashbacks left out the massive login queues etc, LMAO.

[wary hemlock]

sweet queues

[wary hemlock]

its the boat to northrend for me

[torpid harness]

Awww shii I remember that

On my warrior

Damn those were the days

[sand raft]

Can someone explain how the new Tricks of the Trade works, being an hour long buff? I never see it reapply or such on the tank after its initial use so I’m just curious

[torpid harness]

huh

[median shuttle]

trickster talent

It doesnt seem to apply instantly for me so I still wind up casting it in dungeons

[torpid harness]

Oh.

[sand raft]

It seems to work for the initial application than just do nothing for the rest of the hour

[vital gorge]

It's supposed to work for the whole hour

Try putting it on Valeera on a delve

Should be obvious whether it works or not

[fringe umbra]

It does work, you just need to trigger it once during the 30s window

[vital gorge]

Yeah, I'm just being overly cautious because maybe blizzard broke it today, who knows

But it should work

[surreal void]

is tier the ideal route to go now even if its a champ track since once you have 4pc you unlock charges to upgrade future hero+?

[mellow pilot]

Yes

Tier asap

[torpid harness]

outplayed

[tough swallow]

lol

thats for sure a rextroy raid

[torpid harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AICE5a56au4

Uhh guys maybe important

[novel pewter]

Oh boy.

[iron moth]

what is the tldr?

[vivid crescent]

tldr game item loot sucks garbanzo

[mellow pilot]

People were getting the same item rewards over and over

And it wasn't supposed to be like that

[torpid harness]

I got like 8 trinkets from delves including my hero item and I didn't use any of them

Now I'm scared shitless for my vault

[daring sundial]

Maybe this is a stupid question... Is the weekly tower defense event obsolete now? Pretty sure it only gives veteran gear right?

Also yeah vault is ass

My best upgrade has crit and vers

[rustic tartan]

Coffer key shards for bountiful keys

[woeful geyser]

please dont tell me you look at secondary stats when half your gear is veteran or champion stuff

please

[iron moth]

its ass, but it gives you keys

[woeful geyser]

dont destroy the last glimmer of hope i have

[daring sundial]

My ilvl is about 255 so champ and higher

And yes I understand hero track is good

I just wish it was more useful secondary stats

[inland gale]

If the secondaries increase your damage they are useful eh?

[daring sundial]

I feel like that's a dumb argument

Yes bigger number = better

Number would be bigger if it was haste mastery

Now if only bigger number made me better at killing nullboi

[inland gale]

Vers is less damage taken so maybe you should just stack that

[daring sundial]

It's probably a skill issue

Although it's bullshit that he melees while casting

[torpid harness]

I thought that a guide said stacking vers on rogue is a good idea for null actually, also I read you should use shadowdance to make him hit val

[daring sundial]

I'm doing that

[torpid harness]

But yeah I agree it's a bs boss to fight as rogue, at one point he windfuried me, something resets his auto attacks lmao

[daring sundial]

I've gotten him down to 20% or so (killed the third summon)

But RNG is rough sometimes

I don't think there's a consistent way to do it. I think sometimes you just get unlucky

[stray lichen]

which rogue spec is doing better in m+

[upper veldt]

yes

[ember nest]

all 3 will do fine

and if you mean top keys yea you wont see rogue unless there is some special tech

[worthy fable]

Have 259 crafted MH, maxed vet OH, 237 boots. Vault contained 259 dagger, 259 non-tier boots. What do you think the better upgrade would be?

Probably wait till I do bountiful/weekly/preys to see what I drops before choosing?

[ember nest]

if you can do +10 it drops 266

if you cant just wait until you have done all bountifuls and chests/map

[grave warren]

can u enchant trinkets with anything?

[ember nest]

nope

[mellow pilot]

there are no tier boots

[lime vapor]

Did we get a cata charge this week?

[worthy fable]

Boots can be catalyst to tier, no?

I’m not at pc, thought they could

[fallow brook]

Nope

Gloves, chest, shoulder, legs and helm only

[worthy fable]

Okay, will probably still wait to see what drops before choosing vault

[ember nest]

boots can be catalyzed

stats are fixed for the class

rogue is crit mastery

just they wont work for tier set

[worthy fable]

Ok maybe that’s what I was thinking.

[naive plank]

Is raidbots premium worth it? Cheapest is $3 seems pretty damn worth

[mellow pilot]

extremely worth it

[naive plank]

Higher tiers worth or nah

Pretty cheap overal so I'm considering the mid-tier but not sure

[mellow pilot]

just enough to make way more sims

iterations

[shrewd gyro]

Is it possible to stop tea being auto used at low energy?

[mellow pilot]

no

and you dont care

[naive plank]

Gaz is your name from Stormlight Archive?

[vast sphinx]

is the class really dumpster tier like the stats suggest in midnight ?

[naive plank]

It feels AWFUL in solo content tbh but in mythics it's been aight. When I play with the S tier AND they're good players I never get close to beating them though

[novel pewter]

No.

Sub will be middle of the pack / slightly above average.

Sin will likely get buffed shortly.

Not sure about outlaw.

[vast sphinx]

ty, ill be monitoring the news !

[naive plank]

Outlaw is the lowest performing based on logs in heroic raids 🙁

[shut hollow]

think law is only good on council

sub feels fucking terrible on council holy fuck

[shrewd gyro]

afraid not

[fringe umbra]

We're all ass

[novel pewter]

Law is identical to sub on council. Lol

Unironically I think Sub is the best, because more instant burst for the shield means you're mm Hunter can ignore the mechanic and just keep cleaving.

Highest raid wide damage. Imo.

[naive plank]

Sub is def the best atm

I was outlaw till a couple days ago and my #s looked consistently better in mythics n raid without even perfecting my rotation

But I think outlaw in loooooong drawn out fights might be better? So higher mythics maybe outlaw wins slightly but not sure

[ember nest]

sub might be better not because of dmg but just because it is more tanky

basically our job is to not die and keep poisons on the bosses

[naive plank]

I do like that our atrophic poison is "mandatory" for raiding lol so at LEAST 1 of us makes it in...😅

Still blows my mind that a PURE 100% dps spec can be bottom 5/40 with all our specs for raiding

[mellow pilot]

there's probably one of us for each guild

[naive plank]

I cry, from the shadows

[noble kestrel]

Maybe, somewhere, there's an all rogue team..

[sour patrol]

My guild hasn't had a second Rogue on the raid team since Ny'alotha

[shut spade]

OKAY GAMERS

GL with your vaults!!!!

Gn and see you in keys^^

[naive plank]

I got tier shoulders/gloves n went with gloves 😄

I'm wondering if I should wait for a hero track piece to convert n get 2pc or just convert one of my champ pieces rn

[mellow pilot]

getting 4p asap will allow endgame activities to award more catalysts

take that as you will

[naive plank]

Yeah but I only have 1 dawncrest

Is it ONLY passive? Or can I earn more? I saw the max is 8 now but have no clue how to earn it if even

[mellow pilot]

besides the every other week catalyst charge, it can be a reward from raid bosses or m+

and probably even delves

[naive plank]

Oh shehhhhhttt

So I can potentially get 7 this week?

[mellow pilot]

doubt

but maybe?

[novel pewter]

Need to get 4 PC first.

[naive plank]

Oh yeah dur

So I have to raid, get lucky with the drop, get lucky n win the drop, then do that again and THEN convert

[novel pewter]

Save it for guaranteed 4 PC.

Or you'll be sad. 😂

[short pecan]

bro i just found otu about this

i came

[naive plank]

Yeah that should've been a thing when deathmark was introduced lol

[short pecan]

rogue is once again blizzards golden child

am i right guys

[naive plank]

https://tenor.com/view/surely-you-jest-portia-featherington-bridgerton-you're-joking-right-is-this-a-joke-gif-12148460046076758604

[tribal cargo]

im guessing sub is just hte perma go to for m+?

[mellow pilot]

Wild guess

Since m+ started a few hours ago

[tribal cargo]

i mean sub has been to go to for prety much everything atm

would just ASSUME that was the case

[woeful geyser]

when we did the raid for the first time last week, one of our healers just said "you are the first rogue i see this expansion"

[mellow pilot]

Sub is good in M0 because stuff dies in 5 seconds

[woeful geyser]

sub was the "go to" because it was m0 and shit just kneels over when you look at it funny

[echo sluice]

anyone know what to do?

[tribal cargo]

i would like it to be outlaw but im trying not to shit my pants at being a paper plate in openworld content

[woeful geyser]

sub struggles a good chunk when stuff actually stays alive for a while, we will see how it will do in extended pulls

[mellow pilot]

You have to investigate the mana drain at the botanist's terrace in suramar

[echo sluice]

idk where it is lmfao

no market

marker* or google data

[tribal cargo]

i guess i picked a bad time to main my rogue again

[mellow pilot]

No idea why

We aren't any different from like the past 5 expansions

[tribal cargo]

idk man playing rogue feels worse than it did in TWW

[mellow pilot]

You mean in S2/S3 of tww?

Because s1 felt pretty much the same until tuning was done

[woeful geyser]

i mean, assa is legit the same spec since BfA

nothing ever really changed with it

[tribal cargo]

mean while ele shaman gettin another buff

[woeful geyser]

ele shaman is also down bad

[night pier]

You are too but in a different way

[sour patrol]

This is Ravenholdt, we're all down bad

[sour patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-react-cat-gato-staring-gif-8802024263211486290

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[night pier]

How about I search you instead to see if it’s true

[sour patrol]

Good luck, I'm behind 8 firewalls

[night pier]

Itl take more than some sillt software to keep me off you

Ok I should probably sleepy

[sour patrol]

Good thing I made sure your bedroom door is unlocked

[sour patrol]

[tribal cargo]

whats the best secondarys for outlaw these days?