wow-general

[rotund patrol]

damn

rogue is back in M+

the stun bot is real

[fervent ibex]

osrs time

[half prawn]

real af tbh

[surreal void]

anyone playing remix? got a question about gearing up. im currently 589/591. my trinkets are still 578, most of my gear is 591-597. im leaving 597s in my bag slots to up my average. just dont see how im gonna get to 597 to open these motes

may just open a few motes hoping for gear

[plush dune]

motes are the main way to earn gear at that point yes

[surreal void]

yeah i just read dont open any until 597 and itll speed you along

just feels like it would take foreeeever if you do that

well i opened like a quarter of them and it got me there, easy enough. now to finish the rest

[grand swan]

Does someone knows about the "Stealth Bar not changing to the normal Bar Bug" if you open Combat with stealth ? No its not subterfudge... Only a relog will fix it and it happens like 50% of the time.

[oak tartan]

Never happened to me with bartender

You sure it's not a scuffed addon?

And yes, my stealth bar has a few different abilities

[main orbit]

xd

[pure mantle]

Currently playing Legion Remix and farming some mobs in eye of azshara with my friend, and was wondering why sometimes the mobs drops like 5000 inf power, and sometimes something just changes and it drops 2 bronze and like 250 power instead, seemingly out of nowhere... am I missing something=?

[deft idol]

anyone knows at what point you will be able to convert a timerunner character? just got a character to 80 but cannot convert it yet

[surreal void]

its random but also based on your infinte knowledge. if your in heroic mode, there are monsters that get "Affixes" like +1 or +3. plus 3 mobs always kil lthem, they will give a huge bonus

most mobs are standard low drop

you can come across a 3 affix or even 4 that drops a ton

[main orbit]

have fun being rollebacked

was the same with frogs in mop

[mellow pilot]

You were going for the purple set?

[main orbit]

nope infinity power

[mellow pilot]

100wqs in heroic world would give you the purple set tho

[trail stream]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[hazy smelt]

are dungeon wq's bugged or something why are they just not giving the reward and be done?

[glad harness]

Ive earned the 50 one twice now

[mellow pilot]

probably normal WQS + Hero world WQs

[glad harness]

Nope, both were heroic, ticked it earlier today, and just got it again

Thanks for the bronze tho blizz

Appreciate it

[sour patrol]

On a scale of 1-10 how much of a weeb am I

[main peak]

15

[storm kraken]

This happened to me a couple times. I did research and apparently, if you do the dungeon on heroic and the objectives are filled but the quest doesn't complete, you can zone into the dungeon on normal difficulty and upon zoning in, the quest should complete

[mellow pilot]

I can confirm this

Same with Wquests where you complete the required objectives and they don't pop the reward. Fly away from the Wquest and come back in.

[hazy smelt]

damn thanks that worked actually

how about these rewards are those also bugged or am i miss rememebering never actually recieving the rewards

[noble kestrel]

You need to go hand them in at the emissarys

they aren't automatic

[buoyant basin]

Also doesn't mark the emissaries on the map so just gotta know where they are

[hazy smelt]

oh

fantastic

[floral furnace]

you cant complete the quest "balance of power" yet in legion remix right?
i wanna go for the artefact skins

[mellow pilot]

no, you cant

[willow wing]

Is Legion remix just like spamming every raid difficulty daily for upgrades and do your research?

[meager totem]

thats a pretty good way to approach if youre not planning to grind like crazy, but m+ spam might be very good now aswell after the hotfix

[willow wing]

I really do not get why they did that, makes it feel more like you gotta infinitely grind

[meager totem]

not really, its a good change and remix is up for a 100 more days

low lvl keys just dropped obsolete gear pretty much immediately

but you can still easily get max ilvl and alot of vers without ever doing a key

[willow wing]

I mean id like to also play alts

And if you gotta turbo grind your main that makes alts feel bad

[meager totem]

the turbo grind part is in your head only

I get 10 ilvl and 500k power by playing barely an hour a day now

but sure if you wanna get there a few days faster grind away

the people that have 3 days played already have nothing to do other than farm more vers but they can already do +40 keys soo

[willow wing]

What is the ilvl cap atm in Phase1?

Cause I know ive seen 660s

[chrome arrow]

i saw a 720 ish earlier

[surreal void]

so at 610 ilvl legion remix, havent done any normal raids yet. should i just be doing those daily now for power gains? heroics seem far too slow. the infinite quests arew maxed

[meager totem]

740 is ilvl cap for the whole thing which isnt hard to get since you have guaranteed upgrades, the power of your char is just determined by how much vers youve farmed

[surreal void]

just trying to figure out what to do next, that isnt doing the touring zone quests for unlocking infinite knowledge levels

[meager totem]

you should do hc and mythic of both raids its insanely efficient

[chrome arrow]

done every zone except suramar it's kinda agonizing ngl i'd rather be doing mythic raids

[surreal void]

gotcha, i guess thats my next step. just pug a raid and go? will i get invited to heroic at 611

[willow wing]

https://tenor.com/view/you-what-wtf-disgusted-repulsed-reaction-gif-9521897686579036997

[meager totem]

yes youll probably get invited to mythic en aswell and then when you clear all 3 youll probably go up 5-10 ilvl during and then youll get mythic tov invite aswell

worst case youll just do it a day later

[surreal void]

understood, i imagine i should do normal then heroic then mythic at least. if just for the bronze gains or whatever

[willow wing]

Im just not wanting to focus hard on one char

[meager totem]

yeah you can the normal doesnt give enough epoch for my liking so I stopped doing it

[willow wing]

Was wanting to make a mage, rogue and hunter

[surreal void]

ill app to some keys, see how it goes

prob wasted too much time simply doing heroics

[meager totem]

well everything is power in remix, just depends how fast

3 days ago spamming heroics as a 5man was very good for example

[willow wing]

Im wondering if they are gonna have gear catchup

Or just force people to grind up to where everyone else is in P2

[cerulean bluff]

So warcraft logs is dead in Midnight? How sad

[amber sparrow]

is it?

[crimson elk]

Hey all, if I already played rogue in legion 7 years ago.

Is it advisable to play rogue again? Not sure if there are new items to unlock.

Rogue has always been my main

Referring to replaying rogue again in legion remix

[neon glen]

?

[mellow pilot]

#1425380978343284778 for remix related stuff

[mellow pilot]

People were doing mythic with 600 ilvl

[rich meadow]

200% verse the sweet spot anything after that is just showing off 😂

[surreal void]

sounds about what i heard too, just wasnt sure as i had no info before

[mellow pilot]

3 days ago I was 580 and feeling like shit vs 600+ people.
Now I'm 650 and feeling like shit vs 700 guys

I'll be 700 and feeling like shit vs 740 guys

[rich meadow]

Yup can’t wait

Tonight the LfG will be “650 min” when it was “600 min” two days ago

[faint bough]

cant have wow without elitism

[mellow pilot]

We can do the groups and invite

[noble kestrel]

The best solution is always to make your own group. There's always vastly more people than groups

[rare solar]

Yeah i was gonna say

Just make your own group

You will also only invite high itemlevels

Why invite the 525 guy if a 625 guy is applying as well

[sour patrol]

Is there a bug preventing you from logging out or exiting the game?

In Remix, I mean

[faint bough]

i had one time i got stuck in a story instance on my dh and i couldnt hearth, die, or log out lol

just had to alt f4

[sour patrol]

Happened twice, both times I was playing for a long time

[static epoch]

anyone else having horrendous lag?

[main orbit]

Just Broke 700 ilvl

[willow wing]

Seeing people walk around with 60 Vers in Remix is craaazy

[thin ferry]

yo if the trash is dead on first boss but boss still alive in mythic

do i have id already?

[gray bluff]

hey guys anyone know which boss "unlocks" the soul hunters loot from the weekly chest?

do you have to kill them or fractilus already unlocks the loot?

[warm pagoda]

Blizz wanted the player retention numbers.

[faint bough]

Should be both

[nocturne steeple]

Soul or Fractus

[plush dune]

that is both yes

[pine gyro]

if you thinking mythic where its very normal to kill fract before soul hunters you can still get soul hunters loot from vault yeah with only killing fractilius and not soul hunters yet

same applies to hc ofc but most relevant for mythic for most

[surreal void]

jeez watched a 730 rogue do like 25-30m dps overall on a world boss

i started late and still only 622

done only a single normal raid though, been too lazy to go again today so far

[mellow pilot]

"late"

People are just no lifing

I've been playing somewhat everyday but not minmaxing and I'm around 660

[surreal void]

well yeah thats a better way to put it haha

ive been playing every day except the first 2 , just small amounts here and there

[sour patrol]

I hit 80, is this good?

[mellow pilot]

Comparing is the killer of joy

[mellow pilot]

Good is ilvl + weapon upgrades

[sour patrol]

557ilvl

[mellow pilot]

You have a long way to go :3

[sour patrol]

573 now

[mellow pilot]

max is 740!

[sour patrol]

Well the gear is 584, how do you get higher?

[rare solar]

play the game

chests and the motes

it just slowly ramps

there's no way to skip ahead

[mellow pilot]

motes, normal + hc + mythic raids

[sour patrol]

I'm 80 and the stuff only appears to go to 584, is what I mean

[mellow pilot]

• questing

• daily hc / normal RDF

• research

[sour patrol]

[kindred lynx]

super random question here. I decided to go back to Legion and do the Class Hall quests to get the mount. I did not play Legion. Anyone out here able to answer some questions? Much thanks!

[mellow pilot]

whats up

[steep forge]

yeah remix seems fun

[mellow pilot]

best way is connects

and friends

[steep forge]

or just play anything with a tank spec

cuz that's apprently the requirement to do any group content lol

[mellow pilot]

only m+

okay tanks in hero world at lower ilvls are way stronger than dps's yes

but i didnt have much trouble

[willow wing]

Has anyone taken rogues to a high level in remix?

[mellow pilot]

@rich meadow did iirc

before he quit his rogue

[willow wing]

Wondering if Mage would be any good. Keep seeing paladins and DHs.

Not a single rogue

[mellow pilot]

Tanks are op

Any class that can tank is op

[willow wing]

Yes but I also sometimes just see a DPS sham or DH show up and one tap 1 billion damage

[mellow pilot]

Probably I'll capped

Most I've seen was 130M dps in m+

[willow wing]

Also man

M+ seriously feels like the powers just determine how fast you clear

[mellow pilot]

It's actually the versatility

You can have the op powers but low versa and you get one tapped as a dps

[chrome arrow]

yeah i made a dh expecting oh boy im gonna go Havoc
no
not at all
everybody a havoc dh till they see +37 tanks only

[little oracle]

Hit 730 today on my rogue. Assassination is great for spreading poison/bleed and zooming along. Sub hits harder but you gotta stay and hit things. Outlaw feels bad in comparison.

[bright otter]

geez how much did it take you

[worldly forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-marvel-what-did-it-cost-gif-17159322

[fossil scroll]

Do you guys struggle to stay alive in k'aresh?

[mellow pilot]

No

[warm pagoda]

Nah but I've not tried karesh on an under geared alt so, perspectives may be heavily skewed

[grim scroll]

Got an outlaw to 636 but it's really doodoo

My bdk does more damage more st and I almost can't die at barely 600 in 25+

[worldly forge]

kind of expected

Outlaw doesnt scale much

with Stats

[plush dune]

tbf comparing anything to bdk on remix is like comparing an ant to thanos

[rapid holly]

now that I have 200% xp i'm considering rogue for a reroll in remix, what would be the spec that scales best in remix ?

[plush dune]

any tank

[rapid holly]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-18264472

[oak tartan]

If your spec is no tank then lvl it to 80 and park it

[brisk sapphire]

how long does it take to hit 80

[oak tartan]

With the first char a bit. Took me 2 zones with a few dungeon queues as well

[mellow pilot]

Took me 1 zone and normal raids + daily dungeons

But I'm playing BM so I was almost deleting my screen every time I giga pulled

[warm eagle]

anyone knows that addon or plugin for plater that show me stuff like the group damage above the nameplates?

[brisk sapphire]

why would you want to see that even

[main orbit]

KEKW

find the mistake

[ember nest]

no enchant

[main orbit]

check weapon ilvl

[zealous halo]

ok but enchant your gear ?

[main orbit]

bro xd

its legion remix

[plush dune]

The mistake is playing a rogue on remix

[zealous halo]

says no enchant

enchant it

[main orbit]

u cant enchant

[zealous halo]

wtf

[main orbit]

i was just posting cause my ilvl is 744 on weapon and max is 740

[warm eagle]

i see no enchants there

[ember nest]

u cant enchant with that attitude no

[main orbit]

damn u guys are trolling hard

[worldly forge]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1425380978343284778

Any mods?

@tough swallow @glad harness ?

Already done

[plush dune]

snitch

[worldly forge]

Bel wanted to trade

[shrewd oak]

Am I missing any specific rogue stuff by skipping out on Remix? Like did they add any new appearance or some shit?

Specifically for rogues, I mean. I keep seeing the capes all over reddit

[faint bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/legion-remix-rewards-mounts-transmog

you can take a look through here to see if there is anything you care about

[plush dune]

there is a recolor of the class hall mount, but you can buy that for 20k bronze regardless of class

if you dont have the mythic trial of valor set, that is available for doing mythic tov deathless on a leather wearer

otherwise the only class specific stuff are a couple of feats of strength

[willow wing]

For some reason it feels like you just randomly get your weapons ilvl stuck and thus your motes just spam the same ilvl

[willow wing]

10 chests+motes all 656 for me atm. Sword refuses to up in ilvl

[willow wing]

Also is it just me noticing this or is your mote gear restricted by your weapon ilvl? Like 2 days ago I could get gear without my sword being a higher ilvl

But now suddenly I can't

If my swords is x, no gear drops above the sword now

[light violet]

will i be able to stack enough haste in remix to lessen/reduce or eliminate the parts where it turns into an aa bot

[light wedge]

is there a way to test personal notes on dummy with mrt?

[steep jolt]

[willow wing]

So Felspike may be completely broken now

It just failed to do any damage 6 times in a row on my prot warrior

Ah its just the target dummies

[mellow pilot]

#1425380978343284778

[plush dune]

are the bots getting worse or am i just noticing them more often

@shell hill

[shell hill]

!ban @unkempt cliff spam

[shell hill]

they're evading the filter because they're posting image links now instead of posting telegram links

similar amount of bots, just getting around traditional filters

some of the bots don't even post text, just multiple images back to back with the text on them

and that's not something we can filter without essentially just banning all images in the server

which obviously isn't an option

[ruby totem]

Yeah how else would we see pictures of people's cats

[ember basin]

So first its the pickpocketing, then the lockpicking, now y'all are committing home invasions.

Can y'all behave? Seriously!

[hearty fog]

damn more rogue nerfs

[tame lantern]

Hi howdy everyone, I’m looking to main a rogue in midnight, I just wanted to confirm regarding APM is Outlaw still a fast track to arthritis, and assassination is pretty chill?

[trail stream]

probably but we don't even know all the new hero talents yet ;o

man look at this simplicity... no clutter. and nobody back then complained about rotations not being complex enough

[unreal gulch]

Because shit is old and people had different standards

By todays standards it would arguably be a bad game

[unreal gulch]

Sin is still chill and will probably remain that way. Outlaw is on the higher end of apm for wow, still nothing crazy

[worldly forge]

This has to be ragebait right!?

[worldly forge]

You got ragebaited

[sharp nest]

I'd prefer this to current sub/outlaw. I want to play the game not the UI

[tame lantern]

Thanks so much for the overview!

[trail stream]

ofc, cause the idea that you shouldn't need 3rd party computational tools to tell you how to play your class and you shouldn't have to check wowhead to see what's the origin of some random clutter proc on your damage meters is obviously gonna induce rage in people 😛

[worldly forge]

He isnt ragebaiting he is serious

Its even worse

[trail stream]

well, fortunately for me blizzard seems to agree

[sharp nest]

this is where there's a desync between hardcore players and the standard players

although, you can play sinister strike + evis right now too, you just won't be competitive

[trail stream]

yeah thats the problem 😛

[sharp nest]

but if you want to be competitive, you should put in the time to learn the class properly

some of it is overtuned/overdesigned, but they are adressing it

[trail stream]

yeah I've always done that, I'm not struggling it's just not as fun and I'm glad they're addressing it

[sharp nest]

I'm the first to say subtlety is not fun or intuitive for me anymore, I prefered it in legion, but now I play assa because it fits me better

however, the min-maxing that is going on right now for 0.3% gains is something I've never seen before, so you could ignore 3-4 conditions in your rotations and you will lose 1-2% dps, which is insignificant if you're not in a top 200 guild

try saying you will macro prism to deathmark and people will lose their minds, when in reality all it does is it lowers your mental load and you can pay more attention to everything else

if it's not fun backstabbing after every dance to build macabre stacks, don't do it, who cares

[trail stream]

yeah exactly, many abilities just don't make sense anymore, they have some random shadowy muderous name and it's just some arbitrary button that has to be pressed in a fixed sequence otherwise you do shit dps and if you quit WoW until the next season or spend some time playing alts, you have to re-check what this made up combo sequence is again so you can do normal damage

[sharp nest]

That's the thing though, you can simplify it however you want, and you will only be 1-2% or 5-10% behind the top players , or simplyify it even further by using the one button assist and be 20% behind, you have the choice. And also, the top 1% also has a choice to optimize it. You have to find your treshold of what's acceptable. For me, using weakauras to track every proc and stuff is not acceptable so I don't do it. Does it hurt me in any way? Not really, maybe I will be a few percent behind in normal/heroic parses, but the boss will still die

I struggled with this a lot until I came to this realization. Same with content, the most enjoyment I get is from LFR and delves, because they are fast, no need to organize, replace players, deal with rage quitting raid leaders etc. Mythic+ is pure chaos in pugs and I don't enjoy the spray and pray of pulling 20 mobs and seeing if it will work out so I stopped playing that also.

[trail stream]

I want both. To be competitive and have class design that's intuitive and streamlined. Midnight is making improvements in this direction

[noble kestrel]

I just press buttons 🙂

[hearty fog]

nooooo i missed one gcd my first 5 seconds which didnt give me a refund and caused my sectech + cb to get casted in the next dance window and wasnt amped in my first one its so jover

/s

[warm pagoda]

Yeah but I'm the 9 parse guy

[hearty fog]

someone has to parse 9 so the rest of us can parse 99

[trail stream]

yeah I don't obsess over crap like that, but why does symbols of death exist? just remove all pointless buttons like that 🙂

[noble kestrel]

Being the 9 parse guy is a comfy existance. I'm here, I push buttons.

[hearty fog]

the midnight version of sub doesnt make sense with their "design goals"

theyve pruned flag and that's it

all they needed to do was combine flag + sblade

symbols + sdance

sectech only castable in dance

[noble kestrel]

Hopefuly it's the skeleton to something bigger later on.

[hearty fog]

the problem is though

they're building an abomination

because of the trickster tree existing

[noble kestrel]

Yeah....

https://tenor.com/view/suspect-guilty-i-think-you-should-leave-itysl-obvious-gif-19455657

[hearty fog]

3(ish) builders, 3(ish) spenders

but like you cant press your aoe builder in aoe

because then your entire hero tree doesnt exist

idk hearing whispyr saying "yeah perhaps shiv is going to be pressed off cooldown outside of dance"

made me kinda despair

[noble kestrel]

I'm hopeful but dissapointed right now.

[fringe umbra]

Atleast they made it so we might not cast our aoe builder on St anymore (storm with nado)

[hearty fog]

"might"

[worldly forge]

Ha! Im the 4 parse guy on salhadaar

[brisk sapphire]

You guys never parsed a 0 on prog before?

(I was rank 2 out of 2)

[worldly forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124142167766618203.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[glad harness]

For this to work we would need t be able to track dance dur-

Oh

[hearty fog]

[woeful geyser]

you know how it is man

the guys with the loudest opinions, tend to also have no clue what they talk about in the first place

[delicate otter]

Its over folks, Hunters are going to steal our daggers

[worldly forge]

Yeah literally

[woeful geyser]

first of all: nobody is gonna give a frking survival Hunter that can use like 30 different weapon types a Dagger over Rogue, where 2 specs can use literally only Daggers

and also: what Survival Players lol

all 5 of them?

[rare solar]

They mentioned in the alpha article that rn daggers are the only viable dual wield option bc of their attack speed

I assume thats gonna change but it would be funny

[woeful geyser]

they will probs just gonna normalise it 🤷‍♂️

[ember nest]

outlaw still waiting on that for around 17 years

any day now

was even named combat before

at least sub has only been waiting since legion kinda

[woeful geyser]

yes hacha, lets do bad faith arguments

👍

[ember nest]

well im thinking about many dual weild specs

did enha monks or dh have diff speed weps ever

[woeful geyser]

the spec that has Daggers and nothing else as its weapon type is clearly supposed to not use daggers

because it technically can

[ember nest]

it only really began being locked into daggers in sl

before there was always something that snuck in

the arpen mace no kaled in cata in MoP you had a cool special sha one and another i forget

legion was artifact so skip and bfa had folly and ra den fist

it is kinda tragic tbh that assa and sub is hard locked to daggers and outlaw to fast wep on off hand sometimes even if the diff is not big

[unreal coyote]

Is there a weakaura that will remove the combo points from under my player frame?

[woeful geyser]

turn off personal resource display in your settings

[thin ermine]

Is it me or is the darkfuse coat appearance unavailable in legion remix

[long ice]

isn't it 70+

[faint bough]

is there a fellowship thread

[plush dune]

#outlaw

[heady tangle]

Anyone able to complete the schievement Forged for Battle and get the artifact appearanc in Legion Remix?

[grizzled jackal]

is there a list of abilities that are feintable on dimmy?

!feint

[ionic forum]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[grizzled jackal]

ooh

and dimmy is blank gg

[hearty fog]

just feint before every big damage event and pray

[plush dune]

real

feint the ultimate safety blanket

press if something makes me sad

even if it does nothing it makes me feel better

[hearty fog]

its a mental defensive

[glossy flicker]

!def

[ionic forum]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[glossy flicker]

that one updated

[amber sparrow]

oh ive been cope pressing feint for antimatter

dps loss gg

[unreal coyote]

Okay i made a weakaura myself if anyone wants it https://wago.io/WEOZTBHr7

[worldly forge]

Is it?

Wait

The Starshard Dot is reduced by feint !?

@neon glen Do you have a log for that by any chance?

[neon glen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JV98mGMdWtqDg2pn?fight=31&type=damage-taken&ability=1254385&source=4&view=events

[worldly forge]

Thats crazy

Thanks

[warm pagoda]

One day feint and what works with feint will make sense.

[neon glen]

I do think this one makes sense. The nova is aoe and therefore its dot is also considered aoe

[worldly forge]

But thats not how it always works

same for Evasion

Sometimes it works for Whirlwinds sometimes not

Same for Cloak, sometimes it works, sometimes not

[neon glen]

yes sometimes the dot left behind is not considered aoe

[worldly forge]

[warm pagoda]

For me, without external tools I'd intuit that the initial damage would be feintable but the dot after would be ST

[worldly forge]

its literally 50/50 with every defensive

[warm pagoda]

At least that's how I'd understand it

[neon glen]

for Evasion it's trickier because I understand sometimes it is done for balance reasons not to make it not avoidable

[warm pagoda]

I'd like some consistency

[neon glen]

I would like it if they introduced a new physical damage type that is not avoidable. Sonic damage is close but that one also ignores armour

My optimal solution is adding more info in the dungeon journal but the in game journal only includes boss fight abilities so that's still incomplete

overall for wanting to make the game more "readable" they are really failing with defensives and what pierces them

[warm pagoda]

Yeah, if Blizz are doing the whole, reducing the need for addons/third party tools thing, I'd like more info available in game rather than having to look at a third party spreadsheet

[worldly forge]

I mean CLoak also gets nerfed every Season

because it becomes less and less effective

Thats my perception tbh

[neon glen]

at least between s2 and s3 it didn't feel like that and cloak is generally trustworthy. It is however annoying that there is no easy way to tell which abilities are only immuneable and pierce the miss part of cloak

[worldly forge]

Yes

and what is only immuned by the 1 second windows

Like the fact that Cloak is most effective in the first second and gets less effective after that

Is just random

[meager totem]

thats spaghetti code back from tbc

when it had different text

[neon glen]

and we are the only class with a low CD "aoe only" DR so things are way to trickier to figure out for our class

[worldly forge]

any rot dmg is killing us

[neon glen]

at least they sort of have that in the tooltip although they describe it as "a moment" instead of 1 second

in a perfect world the tooltips in this game would be less shit but eh

[cobalt loom]

Gamers, does anyone game in 4k here? I was wondering what's fps like in real content on maxed HW 😄

Upgrading monitor and wanna give 4k try over 2k

[grave root]

I dont think raiding in 4k is possible unless ur a millionaire

[worldly forge]

I think you can do this, with an Mac

But thats is also something a millionaire would have

[sharp nest]

unless you're sitting 40cm from a 32 inch monitor 4k is a waste, you're just boiling oceans

[ivory remnant]

Hi, im riding on 55 inch oled tv in 4 k - my spec are 4090 rtx 32 giga ram, Ryzen 7 7800X3D and its look fantastic in HDR, frame rate around 100 fps in raid, 200 in world

[cobalt loom]

Yeah I have about same spec

Guys dont worry next expansion you get all fps in world withniut addons

[grave root]

We need dlss asap

[remote vector]

hey guys, is there any channel for remix? i had a question if i should just go full mastery or aim to 100% crit on sub rogue

[mellow pilot]

Yes you dumbo

#1425380978343284778

But I doubt anyone will know the answer to that

[worldly forge]

I think you can "kinda" activate it

But i forgot how

[edgy nimbus]

what does this mean

[plush dune]

they want you to pay them

[edgy nimbus]

🤣

[sly crater]

Curious hypothetical if anyone knows. If I craft a 727 dagger instead of recrafting my 704 to 727. Would I be able to upgrade my OH to 704 without crests or would the unique-equipped from the embellishment prevent me from doing so?

[edgy nimbus]

there are almost no keys

wtf

17s

how

[mellow pilot]

I'm pretty sure you could get an oh to 704 that way yes

If you craft a new weapon 727

[rare solar]

Remix

[edgy nimbus]

zzzzemix

[rare solar]

Why do +17s on retail when you can do +40s on remix

[plush dune]

because i cant do +40s

since im not a tank

[rare solar]

Why not

All the remix meta predictions and tier lists said tanks are good

Shouldve just listened to the tier lists

[sly crater]

Cheers, might try it out.

[edgy nimbus]

+40s

in a broken mode

yeah

why i dont play private servers

same reason

same feeling

[woeful geyser]

WDYM

remix is giga serious

80% of your dmg being procs and 200% vers, hello????

[bitter lion]

Does anyone know a reason why I cant shadowstep? Playing remix and I can be right ontop of the mob and it just doesnt work. Button glows as if Im trying to use it. No errors. In and out of stealth. Just, nada. Wondering if Im suffering from dumbitis.

Oh I was suffering from the dumb. Daglop as a passanger on your head means you cant shadowstep.

[glossy flicker]

If the offhand is crafted no

Crafts always take crests they don’t benefit from discount

[mellow pilot]

I understood the question as "will a OH dagger be able to be upgraded to 704 without spending crests if I craft a second dagger at 727 and my current crafted dagger is 704"

[glossy flicker]

hmm yes I think that is the correct interpretation upon reading it again

[sly crater]

It worked out. My other OH could be upgraded for free.

And ye I meant another item than the previously crafted.

[leaden parcel]

Had this happened to a group once again. PSA, don't let this go off on HM. It hits for 6M/s on two people

[cobalt loom]

actually 70-90 fps in raid combat in 25man

and dornogal fps the same

[rich meadow]

why does this Fellowship game look exactly like warcraft

[ember nest]

why not seems like a cool game

[hard current]

cant wait for it to release

[high dawn]

What's the max rep for this week in Manaforge raid?

[quasi whale]

Peeps i have question and ill need assist, new player here. When im watching videos of high keys i see players have something like an ingame voice, is it a addon or wa ? Its announcing for them like “interupt, kick, spread, watch your step” usually even before this happens.
I think it will be very helpful for me

[ember torrent]

Hey guys, quick question: I use the Legion Fierce Gladiator's Leather Armor since forever, does Remix provide an HD version of the set or it's just the same thing?

[noble kestrel]

11 I think

[mellow pilot]

If that's pvp, it's not in remix

[fallow lodge]

hey guys

im getting and error message, if anyone is willing to try and help, im not a big computer guy, just like gaming lol

[jovial citrus]

im guessing something that shouldnt be read only is

[proven sedge]

Anyone doing remix carries for fun?

[novel cipher]

Are your drivers up to date? That's the first thing I'd check. After that I would do the windows memory diagnostic because you might have a bad stick

[tough swallow]

Quick google gave me quite some things you can test:
In wow:

• Disable all Addons, and see if it still happens.
• Change between direct x 11 and 12 and see if the problem still happens.
• disable "Advanced Work Submit" and "Advanced Work Submit" in advanced graphics settings.
  Permissions:
• Check if WoW folders permissions are set incorrect.
  Software updates/fixes:_
• "check and repair files" in battle.net.
• Install the visual c++ Redistributable.
• Update your cpu drivers. (should find the latest on the vendors website)
• Check your bios settings, some motherboards overclock your cpus by default, if you find something like "turbo mode", turn it off.
• If you are on 13th or 14th gen intel cpu, try downloading intels tuning utility and try to undervolt your performance cores slightly. (tricky)

[fallow lodge]

It worked last time I tried it, I deleted the caches and it didn’t change anything at first, but then checked my drivers and everything was up to date, then I tried logging in again and it’s like the game reverted back a week or 2 ago and worked fine, ran a dungeon with no issues, all I had time for right now but hopefully whatever it is is fixed

Was typing that as you were fuu but if it comes back I’ll definitely try it out

[tough swallow]

👍

[fallow lodge]

Yea I used DBM before this past week and I swapped to bigwigs, deleted my DBM stuff but when I logged on DBM was on there, idk what happened but if it runs it runs lol

Thank you all for you help and time!!!!

[tough swallow]

hope the problem is solved for you, technical problems are the most annoying ones

[fallow lodge]

Yup I agree, thanks again for the help and your time!!!

[half prism]

Hello guys does anyone knows how to change default language of Northersky WA ? it s russian when i want it in english? is it because my game is not in ENG language?

[tough swallow]

northernsky is a german guild, so would not assume it to be russian ^^

but i assume it has to do with system languarge settings/wow client settings

i know the text to speech is a windows setting you can change

[half prism]

Thanks Fuu

is there a way to plytest a weakaura ?

[tough swallow]

can only import and try

[edgy nimbus]

does anyone know why this doesn't work?
I'm specifically trying to use focus spells with the modifier set, but none of my abilities are going on focus instead theyt are going on target

[modest sun]

I shadowstepped so hard I fell through the ground in Val Sharah on Remix and the game disconnects me every time I try to login. I've been falling for hours now 😄

[woeful geyser]

log into another character for a while, that should fix it

if not, you can contact the support with a simple "character stuck" and they send you to the graveyard in a couple minutes

[surreal void]

when people on remix ask vers level, are they asking the limit unbounds rank or ACTUAL vers? like im 90/46

[radiant falcon]

Dumb question how exactly does Vault Loot work for M+ if I do 8 12s of lets say Gambit will it give ONLY loot from Gamit or the entire Dungeon Pool?

[plush dune]

entire dungeon pool

[manic sedge]

If it’s a macro then it’ll act like default, unless you order it otherwise (like adding mod:ctrl, @focus)

Not sure if that’s what your issue is

[edgy nimbus]

my issue is the setting, i thought it would act as a modifier for all keybinds

i.e my interrupt if pressed with ctrl will automatically go on focus

but this is not the behaviour

[manic sedge]

It should work if it’s not a macro you’re pressing

[edgy nimbus]

yeah, im just pressing the vaniall ability

[manic sedge]

Never had issues with it if it’s not a macro

[edgy nimbus]

like Mind Freeze on the DK or death grip to try it out

idk something is cooked i'll need to try it out more

only thing that could be clashing is the modifier for opie

being control?

[manic sedge]

Ye that’d do it

[hard current]

Bigwigs/little wigs addon calls it out for you and makes the mobs healtbar glow when an important mechanic is being casted by them

[edgy nimbus]

POGCRAZY

[noble kestrel]

Hell yeah

[edgy nimbus]

everyone doing "note" should get 7 days ban

2nd offence 1 month ban

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-couldnt-agree-more-john-krasinski-saturday-night-live-youre-absolutely-correct-thats-right-gif-20212746

[warm pagoda]

Should be capped 1 rating point below title range

[edgy nimbus]

wouldn't stop people doing it on alts but sure good idea

[warm pagoda]

Just add a 25% chance for the key to deplete despite being resi

But add nothing about it in any patch notes

[glad harness]

They even started on remix, wanting to "note tip" for a +30, not realising nobody got gold on remix

[quasi galleon]

That's cause they expect you to pay on retail

[noble kestrel]

I'll give 'em a tip. It'll be a big one, too.

Preheating your oven makes food cook better.

[plush dune]

But it takes so long and I'm hungry now

[faint bough]

I never preheat except in baking

[iron belfry]

https://www.darklegacycomics.com/965
damn this so true

[tame lantern]

Good morning everyone. I haven’t really played rogue since MOP and I mainly play solo/ open world content. I know it’s up in the air with Alpha changes, but generally how do the three rogue specs fare when it comes to solo survivability? Is crimson flask and leeching poison adequate sustain and self healing?

Also, from what I understand, rogue gameplay now utilises vanish a bit more for damage that it used to, does this cause issues in open world/solo content or is it a case where you can still cheap shot/gouge prior to stop combat from dropping?

[mellow pilot]

Tldr rogue survivability has always been bad and still is;
Vanish has been a DPS button for more expansions than it was not;
Gouge shares a node with a very important talent, so besides PvP, we never pick gouge;
Cheap shot is alright;

[tame lantern]

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.

Sads 🙁

[plush dune]

that being said, rogue is still perfectly capable of doing even the most difficult solo content in the game

it just might take a bit more work at lower ilvls

and you do have stealth which can be fantastic for stuff like that

[hearty fog]

rogues survivability is killing the target before it kills you 👍

[amber sparrow]

Based

[river locust]

quick question, ive always assumed if you have a supercharged combo point and use a finisher at full combo points would it extend damage as if i spent 9 or is it "overcapping" and still just as if i used 7?

[hearty fog]

whatever your CP is + 2

so 9

[river locust]

aight

thx

[static epoch]

anyone else finding Kyveza ?? Invoke the Shadows impossible? I can get to it, but it's simply too fast to track for me
honestly the first time I ever have a problem like this

[oak tartan]

There was a wa at start but that was nerfed. You have to do it the hard way, stare and follow the movement

[static epoch]

yeah, that's the problem, I lose track at like the third jump and she does eight or so

[zealous halo]

You need to turn off anti aliasing

Or turn it on what was it

Off I think

So you see the red outline

Then just do it in batch of 3

She does 6

Look for the first 3 then the other 3

[oak tartan]

That's for massacer, i think

[zealous halo]

No

Or you mean the ninigame

[oak tartan]

Invoke was the hat game

[zealous halo]

Ah

Ye idk can't help you

That shit is turbo hard no cap

I also couldn't follow it half the time

Only thing I was wiping to

[oak tartan]

I had more problems with massaker but i was a minigame pro in legion

[static epoch]

massacre is tight timing but not that bad

[oak tartan]

Playing that fight on graphics quali 10 wasn't the best idea

[static epoch]

invoke just fucks me

[oak tartan]

I payed for the graphics so I use all the graphics

The trick is to just watch the first little movement, then interpolate the position and guess 100% right at the end

[static epoch]

the thing is
Kyveza is like
no bullshit, no real RNG unlike Zekvir or the goblin guy
so I can't even complain about the design
it's simply really fucking hard

[hearty fog]

dw

you'll get it mate

just keep throwing head against wall

[oak tartan]

Zoom all out and watch from above, guilmate tried it like you would play normally until he showed us what he did

[static epoch]

probs just gonna keep trying to outgear it a little bit for now
maybe try to get the kill timer low enough that I don't have to resolve it more than a couple of times

did the normal fight with only one Invoke and it's like 50% HP of the ?? version, so might be close to a breakpoint

[long ice]

yeah I found it way easier to just watch all of them instead of trying to hard focus on the one and keep track of it that way if that makes sense

[sharp nest]

Which dungeons prefer subtlety 90s CDs versus assa 2min CDs? Up to +10 keys only but want to know

Dawnbreaker seems better suited to sub for example

[eager lark]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[woeful geyser]

i mean, the visual clarity is still really fucking bad

and thats a big problem in wow overall

[static epoch]

yeah I mean fair

[plush dune]

Just turn off AA and visual clarity on that fight is great

[quasi galleon]

Yeah. Having the dashes have a lingering spell effect that then overlaps with the next set of dashes was toxic af.

Normally I do great at those minigames, in wqs etc. But this one the visual clarity is just stupid

Makes it way more difficult than it should be

[sick heron]

The red outline on the ghosts made that mechanic easier than the lines and the mini game even

If you have the setting turned up and can see the red outlines, you only ever have to identify the two ghosts with the outlines. One is currently aiming the ability at you and the other is the next one to do it

[quasi galleon]

Not that part. The minigame where she dashes around

[sick heron]

So you can always easily tell which one is next

Ohh

[quasi galleon]

Im on super low settings and thats the only thing ducking me over

[sick heron]

I messed that one up a lot 😔

[quasi galleon]

I get her down to like 40%and then its just minigame wipe cause my eyes aren't tracking it properly. I've tried a bunch of settings but the stupid trails won't go away so its just all overlapping clutter

I feel like imma just have to brute force it put a marker down on a single spot and just click that one everytime until rng lines up

[long ice]

you can also look at the direction she faces before she dashes during the minigame

it telegraphs

its still fast but discernable

[left crow]

That's the thing I'm afraid about the new combat-addon free world (of warcraft) with Mifnight. Blizzard has the tendency of using the same colors for stuff, like first boss streets where everything is white (was worse in SL). I'm afraid the difficulty will be more having to figure out what the fuck is going on to then have 3s to react to it instead of seeing what's going on and having 1s. Will be terrible....

[jovial citrus]

is raider io down for anyone else

[faint bough]

aws outage

[jovial citrus]

kk ty

[quasi galleon]

I already play with no add-ons and this specific mechanic has been the only thing thats just super annoying. I imagine if I wasn't playing sub I'd feel the lack of add-ons a bit more

[jovial citrus]

the telegraphed frontal?

[long ice]

idk if addons can really help with the guessing game unless it solves it for you somehow

since all the clones are identical

[long ice]

also seeing this I'm 100% convinced they swapped our tier set and this questing gear set and are too scared to admit it

[noble kestrel]

I like our tier. It's cool.

[plush dune]

ngl i actually dont like the questing gear

it feels way too bulky

but that might just be the human male problem

i think the tier set pieces will individually have some really good uses

[faint bough]

Is this midnight questing gear?

[long ice]

yeah there's a belf and velf-inspired set

[long ice]

I have a feeling a bit of it is this, imo it makes every set look big and bulky

[noble kestrel]

Ye

I think our new tier is pretty cool, though. The half-face cowl is neat. Also finally we knwo where all the knives in fok come from

[long ice]

it looks like we get the smokey eye effect too

[faint bough]

I think its boring and I hate it

Opinions are like...

[long ice]

agreed, it feels very bleh

feels a bit too understated for me compared to stuff like nerubar tier etc

[plush dune]

as a full set it is very boring

but i think i'll have some fun with it

[sharp nest]

I think I won the lottery, got invited to a +8 at 702 ilvl

smoothest run I've ever had

[wind stag]

anyone doing m+ in lemix? what spec is best? what tertiary stat best? leech? thanks

[plush dune]

tank

[wind stag]

yeah I know, but if you crazy enough to level a rogue in lemix ... what do you choose xD

[plush dune]

the good news there is it'll all suck equally

so can play whichever you enjoy more

[wind stag]

kk

[plush dune]

just farm infinite power until you have enough vers to live

pending changes on reset

[wind stag]

they anounced changes? did not see

[plush dune]

they did a round of changes earlier in the week buffing the artifact powers for dps and healers, but there's also supposed to be more coming tomorrow when phase 2 starts

to buff dps and healers

[wind stag]

lets see, ty

[woeful geyser]

you chose "get 400% vers so you dont die anymore"

aka what every non-tank does, because what you play doesnt matter, its all just the proc effects anyway

[steep zenith]

subtley is king when you have lower vers because of this talent alone

much easier to live

[mellow pilot]

I've been saying that a lot since DF

[hearty fog]

if you're talking about +10 keys nothing matters because its like asking which f1 car is going to be faster for me to go buy the groceries in
if youre talking about "high keys" it also doesnt matter because you should be sending CDs off CD and everything averages out anyway

[safe plume]

But assa has like 3x as much leech

[steep zenith]

youre right but i found sub better until i had over 100 vers, at least for surviving

i had 4 tank carry the whole thing for me anyways

[sharp nest]

Thanks, it's logical, I went 2x+8 with assa and 2x+8 with sub, the enjoyment with sub was much higher so I'm gonna focus on that, even though it's harder to execute well

[hearty fog]

attalad. play whats more enjoyable

[onyx badger]

Looking to start a rogue spec after saying it a thousand times and postponing it, which one do you recommend? Maybe it's a harder spec but has an easier build which is not optimal but good for beginners

[pearl osprey]

no matter what spec u choose u are going to get some hard time, may u should play outlaw its the most common spec on my way but if u want to use some poison then i think assa a little easier than sub

[onyx badger]

Alrr

[near oar]

So crests are warbling now

Warbound*

?

[blazing prism]

No. They just don’t have a seasonal cap anymore so you can grind as many as you need.

Valor stones are warbound tho

[warm glacier]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[trail stream]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[tiny forge]

is this a big update or where there another round of layoffs recently kek

[steep jolt]

bruh

how is it still down

[tiny forge]

multi dollar company

[tiny forge]

guys, give them a break, they recently laid off like their whole staff in the name of profits

[woeful geyser]

mooooooooooooooom

NA players are angry about weekly reset downtime again

[plush dune]

people got baited by it coming up on time/early the last couple times

the real beta testers know it was never meant to last

[light canyon]

I'm at work so it's okay and blizzard is forgiven

[woeful geyser]

idk, do something else in the meantime

are you really that desperate that extended reset time is a big deal

[plush dune]

like complain about people on discord

[woeful geyser]

[light canyon]

If ever bored because wow is down, doing planks irl simulates how your character feels progging

[woeful geyser]

i should do planks or pushups during prog tbh

[steep jolt]

you dont understand i NEED to see what dogshit i got in my vault this week

[light canyon]

Plank whenever a demon hunter kills you by charging something deadly into you

[woeful geyser]

10 push ups everytime a Priest Angel appears

[light canyon]

Lmao

[woeful geyser]

ripped af in 40min

[light canyon]

20 situps when the warlock pulls early

[woeful geyser]

*boomkin

[light canyon]

Same thing

[woeful geyser]

its ALWAYS wrath

[light canyon]

My group doesn't have a boomy so it's always the lock bolt

[woeful geyser]

blessed raidteam

no boomkin

[light canyon]

Cursed raid team, we have 3 paladins and only 1 lock 1 dk

[noble kestrel]

You could set up a whole routine around the raid enviroment, imo

[tiny forge]

whole raid does situps when the pug drops a nonhearty feast

10 for each ruined hearty well fed

[next axle]

4pm inc

[obsidian saddle]

blizz forgot how to turn on dinars

[next axle]

need that gametime compensation

[fickle forge]

So yeh trying to solo Eye of Azshara on a +23 is just not worth the time >.>

[jade panther]

TURBO BOOST PT2 :

WIAT WUT

does it mean that we are still capped for gilded crests ?

[long ice]

they're Gilded Ethereal Crests, so no

[jade panther]

"lifted" ?

[long ice]

removed

gone

no longer in effect

[jade panther]

bruh ok ty

my poor english

i thought it was like "smoothed"

[long ice]

nah just a different word for removed in that context

[jade panther]

like instead of 90 per week, 180 per week

but ok

ty

[jovial citrus]

do bounty maps from delves give 30 gilded at once again like last season

[jade panther]

u mean if i use this :

[long ice]

idk why it says valorstone cap lifted, the game still says its 2k

[jovial citrus]

yeah

in t11

[jade panther]

and in mm+, the maximum crests i can have is still +20 crests with a +12 key ?

[haughty kelp]

dude it wont let me log in for like 3 hrs

i cant fix it 😢

[surreal void]

do you only need a single normal soulhunters kill on your account to unlock heroic boots for all?

or each toon

[plush dune]

kills for dinars are character bound

so need to do it on each toon

[surreal void]

yuck, ok thanks, i guess pugging SH shouldnt be that bad, just lazy

[cloud pond]

returning players here, where to go to get gear ? currently using the 717 ilvl pvp gear

do i just spam bg for conquest gear?

[true skiff]

They really don't want alts to use the Dinar system. next season it's gonna require Heroic kills

[amber sparrow]

Kalamazi showing his age

[left crow]

It would make more sense tbh, either require it like myth or just make all gear available. Can only get 3 pieces anyway timegated over 7 weeks.

Why no myth weapons for dungeoneers tho?

[static epoch]

tbh there is an actual bug at the myth vendor
some items are showing as unavailable for people who have cleared 12s

[static epoch]

wym there are m+ weapons right there

[left crow]

I see they changed it. Last time there were no m+ weapons.

[static epoch]

ye I actually have two items to buy now rather than one lmao

though the season is already over for me so it'll just be making number go up

[iron belfry]

literally happened to me as well

[main orbit]

Can we buy raidfinder gear?

[mellow pilot]

No

Only heroic and myth iirc

[glad harness]

You can buy raidfinder gear by propositioning the dudes that get the drop

[main orbit]

nice try to get the leather mog boots people want a fortune

[mellow pilot]

Just roll higher than them

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19494865

[unreal gulch]

Should imo be exactly like that

And its not alt unfriendly in any way

[main orbit]

ok u were right

[mellow pilot]

E z

[woeful geyser]

damm

warlocks are so dedicated to sandbagging, they even do it with dinars

[left crow]

Blizzard really doesn't test their patches anymore, do they? Not that I want to but I can't buy items from Dawnbreaker and Ara Kara smh

[noble kestrel]

Yeah, I have the same but for different dungeons. Hopefully it's fixed soon haha

[novel karma]

i needed 5k renown exp for behind the enemy lines, how am i not getting exp from bosses am i bugged?

[left crow]

You get rep only once per boss, killing the same boss on normal and myth does nothing

[novel karma]

yes but i didnt get exp from the fresh boss

somehow

and for sure i didnt get 5000 exp today

wait is the cap 12 this week ?

yeah it is 12 i believe but i am renown 12 and I have 250 exp this confused me

[meager totem]

yeah it bugs and goes over very often

happened to me last 2 or 3 weeks

[ember nest]

it is because they gave everyone 350 or so rep

to fix the bug of people stuck at previous

and for some reason sometimes it overloads next lvl

[stuck birch]

did they changed movment ?

[viscid garnet]

what spec you guys playing on remix?

[mellow pilot]

doesn't matter

just pick one

[oak tartan]

Havoc

[sharp nest]

there are no rings for cartel chips?

[left crow]

ring from Dimensius is available

[mellow pilot]

No

[sick heron]

Doesn't it just have a tiny chance of happening

[woeful geyser]

ye

[eager lark]

Is there a known issue with northern sky tools and the fractilus addon guys ? Today my guild really fucked up that boss

[half echo]

are you able to get multiple catalyst charges now or are you still only able to get one per 2 weeks?

or can i get as many as i want per week up to a cap of 8

[woeful geyser]

they can drop in dungeons/raids now

[edgy nimbus]

why are rings not on vendor

so fucking stupid

[true skiff]

imo it should be one rank up, so heroic and mythic get mythic, normal gets heroic, lfr gets normal

[flint rune]

if yall were starting dimensius prog today would you still play sub or is assa making a big enough comback that its good

[stable bison]

assa is likely to do better the faster you start pushing the boss, most of sub's value is in blowing up the platforms but you cannot do that if you push fast enough

[atomic zinc]

Anyone know of a way to stop shadowstep from turning your camera when you use it?

[stable bison]

you cant really

cuz it ports you behind your target

ready to shank them

[atomic zinc]

brb going to go petition blizz to add it as an option

[worldly forge]

It came with Season 3

[sharp nest]

can someone explain expansion all stars in warcraftlogs to me? manaforge normal, I'm around rank 100 from 1700 for assa, scores around 70-80 per boss, but my logs are blue (ilvl logs are almost all 100 but that's because I'm behind in ilvl a lot)

[unreal gulch]

Ilvl logs are kinda useless

Even more so since tww

[sharp nest]

yes i know, I'm asking about the expansion all stars

[unreal gulch]

All Stars take your highest raw dps and compare it to the other raw dps values iirc

[sharp nest]

yes but on all bosses I'm like 70 percentil, but all stars I'm 94

that's what I don't understand

[unreal gulch]

Ye because parses are comparisons, someone will have a 0 and someone a 100

Allstars are just points based on how much damage you dealt

Like a 50 log could be 50k dps behind a 100 log and still have similar allstar points

[sharp nest]

Ah I see

so a good all stars placement means I'm playing consistently on all bosses and not that far behind as I initially thought

but I mean it's normal so laughable for some

[noble kestrel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/solo-players-can-get-hall-of-fame-with-new-delve-achievement-in-midnight-378989 this is cool

Not sure it'll work out but the idea is extremely neat

[sharp nest]

And here I am still progging on kyveza ?? lmao

[noble kestrel]

I should go finish it haha

[sharp nest]

tried at 690 ilvl, autoattacks killed me, now at 702 i'm just slow to react to nexus daggers so skill issue. But having more ilvl means you repeat the mechanics fewer times

[noble kestrel]

I got her to 21% in week 0, got distracted and have yet to go back. I should though, it's such a good fight

[sharp nest]

having to focus for 8+minutes is really mentally taxing but something that I never experienced in other games

probably that's why I keep coming back

but there is a stark contast in where I was during legion (single, just started working, living with parents, tons of free time) and now when I came back to wow I have a family and home of my own to take care of.

[ember nest]

it was not super hard but it expected you to focus yea

[noble kestrel]

Brawlers pub coming back in 11.2.7 is gonna be exciting

[sharp nest]

Really looking forward to that

[ember nest]

people will once again enjoy disruptron

i hope it is tuned to 730 ilvl

so no overgrearing

hexos was also fire

[noble kestrel]

Hexos owned

More puzzle fights imo

[sharp nest]

Tuning should be dynamic based on ilvl, no reason to tune it to highest

[mellow pilot]

What if when you enter the encounter you're Ilvl is set to max

[sharp nest]

that also works.

[modern leaf]

Ready for tbc?!

[worldly forge]

MODS

[meager totem]

delete the msg Ive got the money

[worldly forge]

@glad harness Can you delete the bot

[meager totem]

yo its not mr beast anymore its kaicenat now

[worldly forge]

[glad harness]

!ban @nocturne echo

[worldly forge]

Thanks Koffing

[glad harness]

We oblirate these fools

[novel cipher]

Look at their profile pic

[cobalt torrent]

you dont prefer weezing @glad harness ?

[glad harness]

Brave for someone withing gassing distance

[worldly forge]

[tacit sparrow]

I was talking with a friend about dps specs bringing buffs or utility. But rogue kinda doesnt bring much right?

For m+

[iron belfry]

anyone knows if i activate bountiful delve map inside the delve does it count for the current delve or the next one?

[meager totem]

current

[rare solar]

just gotta activate before u kill boss

[iron belfry]

thanks

[twilit forum]

this expac is so fried.

(unless you're a warlock)

[rich meadow]

💀

[brave solar]

Does anyone know if there is still a bug with shroud and bm hunters?

[solid sierra]

we are progging m saldabar. Why does liquid run the all way to moon from square

[fringe verge]

sub is bugged on remix

fel burst not apllying or not doing any damage at all

[trail stream]

for the past 3 days or so when I launch WoW I always have to pick a realm first instead of automatically loading into character selection, anyone else got this issue? ;o As if my default realm was down but it isn't

[warm pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759564659714949213/1431140815979413534/6fc022218612d98c225e65678146500a.png?ex=68fc553f&is=68fb03bf&hm=b325c81935523c3f7d6ebad0d0b6fb38fa47ddab0cf0959d4b8ad570f46f7759&

[noble kestrel]

Haha

I respect the "we had to make one problem to fix another" school of solutions

[fringe verge]

can anyone test fel burst proc

if its not working as intended atm

cause ive seen its not doing damage or get applied as it should

[trail stream]

thanks 🙂

[noble kestrel]

Blizz put out some UI stuff and I can't help but notice something

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/4P2EXMK9KA0A1761176344051.png

Hunter healer???

[hearty fog]

yeah its part of the new survival kit

they tame the raid

[noble kestrel]

Calling it now: Hunter 4th spec that's Bard

[warm pagoda]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK. BARD IS OURS.

[fringe umbra]

Kerias Bard is pretty good

[iron belfry]

probably developer joke

[static epoch]

god I fucking hope not
in fact I fucking hope bard is never added

[warm pagoda]

listen here you little shit

[static epoch]

leave bard at the D&D trashbin of history please

[sweet harness]

Win take, by the way, Bard is a joke class that any time is added in any game, I can't help but think we might have had an actually interesting alternative class

[unreal gulch]

That would be the day I reroll

Bard on rogue is just diabolical

[warm pagoda]

They could just make it not a joke class, FF14 bard was fun. Also I ain't against more support roles

[unreal gulch]

Bard doesnt fit rogue

I very much am against support classes

And I dont want anything but melee dps on rogue

If I had to, I'd at most take a tank spec for rogue in the form of a duelist or smth

[sweet harness]

If Blizz had an ounce of creativity or common sense, that's what the Outlaw should have been, instead of a failed pirate theme

God, I can't even express with words how much I hate that fucking spec (even though it's my main). Mish-mash of rejected ideas and broken promises and instead of finally rolling up their sleeves and actually fixing it, they just stick with the mantra of "eh, fuck it, it's passable"

[unreal gulch]

I hope you mean duelist and not bard

[sweet harness]

Duelist, yeah 🙂

[warm pagoda]

D&D bard falls a bit into a kind of... Smooth talker charlatan archetype which I can see fitting rogue, the theming could work

[sweet harness]

Bard can, and I quote, "go in the D&D trashbin of history"

[unreal gulch]

Idk, bard shouldnt be a class anywhere

Its just not anything fighting related

[warm pagoda]

Support related though

Then good times

[unreal gulch]

Imo no

Even in a world full of magic its still weird

[warm pagoda]

Music/performance as a means of magic isn't that weird

There are multiple avenues to magic

You've got shadow priests with insanity /mind related theming so, why not the opposite? Positive/bolstering

[unreal gulch]

Even if you wouldve make it a point not to be weird, it would still rather be with one of the magic classes

Rogue only has shadow magic

[warm pagoda]

Buddy we can teleport through the shadows and sub summons clones

We ARE a magic class

[unreal gulch]

Solely shadow

[warm pagoda]

Bard based around demoralising opponents then, can theme that as shadow, job done

[unreal gulch]

Singing songs or playing instruments definitely would be a dark time for WoW, but far from shadow magic

It would be light or nature or smth

[unreal gulch]

Thats just twisting and turning it to fit a class

[warm pagoda]

And?

[unreal gulch]

That means it doesnt fit by default

So the theme doesnt fit

[warm pagoda]

Or that bard could be a number of archetypes

That you could work into most things, but as I said, smooth talking charlatan tricky bastard bard? Very much rogue themed

This may be an agree to disagree angle tbh

[unreal gulch]

Yeah that would be like my dk suddenly using holy magic because he found back to the light, but I dont want it to be a paladin

[fringe umbra]

One might call it a smooth criminal

[warm pagoda]

Buddy we're out here flipping magical coins at things

You act like shit makes sense

[unreal gulch]

Just because they made bad decisions doesnt mean they need to double down and make worse

[warm pagoda]

Also, buffing allies, warriors have shout

So clearly, audio based buffing is a thing

In the game

[warm pagoda]

I refer back to this

[unreal gulch]

Shout is indeed fitting the warrior class and even referencing the impact raising the moral of troops through shouting stuff had in history

Making bard a rogue would be as fitting as making it a warrior ngl

[warm pagoda]

Because military music isn't a thing

[warm pagoda]

As I said, for me bard falls into the smooth talking charlatan archetype just due to previous ttrpg things

[unreal gulch]

It is, but has nothing to do with shout

[warm pagoda]

Which works very nicely into rogue

[unreal gulch]

Imo the only class bard fits with is hunter if anything

And even that is probably purely because it was done before

[warm pagoda]

It was used to help the army maintain rhythm and morale

And if you can't figure out a way how that'd be able to be converted into a gameplay mechanic then I think this is an entirely pointless conversation

[unreal gulch]

I can, but that still wouldnt make it a bard

Nor would I think it would fit the game

[warm pagoda]

How would it not be a bard? Music to buff allies is a common usage of the class in games

Also its not like you can't hobble together themes, look at survival hunter being a borderline tinker now

[unreal gulch]

Because a warrior/soldier is a warrior/soldier first and foremost and that kind of buff would be a minor touch still fitting that, primarily fueling into that fantasy. Too much singy songy would definitely ruin the warrior idea.

A bard has music and storytelling mainly.

I think tinker fits survival, because for me thats a hunter that does what he needs to and gets creative to get by.

Its that MacGyver mentality

[warm pagoda]

Yes but you add magic into the mix and then yeah, it goes far beyond a minor touch. There's ways of making it work in game and yeah charismatic bastard supporting allies/fucking with enemies screams rogue to me.

But, I got work to do. Drawing a line there, I appreciate where you're coming from but I just don't see it that way

And we... Ain't gonna make headway either way

[unreal gulch]

Same mate, having different ideas is always good either way

[warm pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[oak tartan]

SV is bowless bm with melee weapons

I never played sv

[tacit steppe]

Do you guys think fire mage or outlaw rouge is the faster spec? In terms of how fast your hitting buttons or feel your hitting buttons

[unreal gulch]

Fire has higher apm as far as sims go

[static epoch]

except Warcraft never had magic music

[warm pagoda]

Sir the line was drawn

[static epoch]

anyway my personal take is that WoW fucked up with talent specs to begin with

[warm pagoda]

I have reports to write

[static epoch]

assa/sub should've been one spec - sneak around, stab people from the dark, if they don't die choke them with poison)
duelist/combat the other - it's a good fantasy that honestly just works and has no other representation
the third should've been scout/vagabond with ranged weapons, the fact that only hunters used ranged weapons as their main weapon is hilarious esp since they were the last class to be added

but then again, I would personally give Shadow Priests bows and have them be able to do dark arrows and shit, not just casting mind blast and mind flay on repeat

(the lore has lots of priests/god-botherers using bows, too)

shaman specs are fine
pally specs are fine
DK specs are basically fine but lack some good delineation, they're very much "you're a DK first and your spec second" which ceased to be a thing the very next expac
warr specs are kinda fine IG
DH is an atrocity and should have never been added to the game ngl
Monk is surprisingly good
Evoker is surprisingly good other than trying to fill the already overabundant "natural magic powers" niche
Druid is...ngl I don't like Druids but I guess the way WoW does them is okay

(for those that are unaware, the modern Druid is basically a class/archetype invented by D&D, like the collective powerset does not actually exist in fiction as anything identifiable other than maybe Merlin if you forget half of his origins)

[woeful geyser]

bruh

[static epoch]

(when I say "modern" I mean the last 30 to 40 years or so)

[oak tartan]

The average druid player

https://tenor.com/view/panoramix-druide-potion-magic-boirede-la-potion-magic-se-transformer-gif-12469641

[woeful geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/600818554996260875/1395687297952911441/6uactvgcnkdf1.jpg?ex=68fc8d96&is=68fb3c16&hm=443669bd8c112a1c39ebeee4dd0979627a739a03092f8308c6600bc7ca3327ab&

[oak tartan]

In german mirakolix from asterix and obelix is called a "Druide"

[junior bison]

Hello everyone. I am quite new, i've recently heard the term "damage profile" in regards to outlaw vs sub. It's got me super curious. Is there a resource that would tell me each of the specs "damage" profiles? like which specs ramp, burst, sustain, etc. I'm trying different classes out in remix right now.

[fringe umbra]

Not really anything thats kept current afaik, since it tends to change every patch (and especially during new expansions)

But for right now outlaw practically does the same damage at all times, whereas practically do no damage outside its cooldowns.

Assa is closer to sub than outlaw, but it still has some damage outside of CDs

[junior bison]

Oh that makes sense. The two specs I mentioned might be extremes leading me to think that most specs to have a very specific tdamage profile. But I understand what you're saying. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my inquiry.

[tacit steppe]

Does haste lower gcd for rogue like other specs?

[mellow pilot]

no

[tacit steppe]

What does haste do as a stat then?

[mellow pilot]

energy regen, faster dots, melee swings (?)

[tacit steppe]

Tyty

[tacit steppe]

So

If energy classes are kneecapped at a 1 second gcd

How come outlaw averages an 84 cpm?

Wouldn't that mean the max potential would be 60 apm/cpm even if every cast was instant?

[glossy flicker]

outlaw's adrenaline rush lowers their gcd to 0.8s, and they have offgcd spells as well

[fringe umbra]

Because A. There are spells that are not on global cooldown
B. Outlaw has 0.8s gcd during adrenaline rush

[tacit steppe]

Ooooooooh that pretty cool

Is that just an outlaw thing?

[glossy flicker]

yes outlaw is the only energy spec able to lower its gcd

[tacit steppe]

That's really cool

Which of these would be not on gcd?

[glossy flicker]

Rotationally: Ghostly strike, vanish, keep it rolling, adrenaline rush

[tacit steppe]

Is there a talent that makes adrenaline rush longer than it's base 20 seconds or let's you cast more than once per 3 min cooldown?

Cause 20/.8 + 40/1 is 65 so there must be some way adrenaline rush is being extended? Even adding the non gdc abilities it's only 76.9 cpm

[glossy flicker]

AR's cooldown is only around 30-35 seconds effectively due to the restless blades core passive and its duration is extended by 6 seconds every time you vanish with subterfuge talented (and vanish's cooldown is also reduced by restless blades to around 20 seconds)

AR uptime can be nearly 100% in patchwerk st

[tacit steppe]

Holy smokes

That math checks out then if the sim is 84, 60/.8=75 + 11 ( the non gcd spells used in top parse)=86

I guess your pretty seriously gaming if your hitting 86 apm/cpm

[mellow pilot]

i reach that apm on assassination