#wow-general | Ravenholdt | Page 19

sour patrol Sep 29, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Eh, it's Monday and it's a super dead server so I'm not concerned

mellow pilot Sep 29, 2025, 6:49 PM

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If you find good crafters on your main server you can ask to join their guild on whatever character you want the craft and do a guild workorder

sour patrol Sep 29, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Ash is on Mal'ganis, my Druid is on Bladefist.
Ash is in the guild my Druid is in on Bladefist.

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CE_SAD

mellow pilot Sep 29, 2025, 6:55 PM

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I mean, you can join the CRAFTER's guild

plush dune Sep 29, 2025, 6:56 PM

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Don't join a cartel

noble kestrel Sep 29, 2025, 6:56 PM

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But they drop mounts in undermine

sour patrol Sep 29, 2025, 7:14 PM

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plush dune Don't join a cartel

TacoRiot

sour patrol Sep 29, 2025, 9:35 PM

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Got kicked from a key before it even started after dropping a closet on my Lock

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Then saw them using it immediately

glad harness Sep 29, 2025, 9:47 PM

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OMEGAKEKWMAN

sour patrol Sep 29, 2025, 10:06 PM

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Then I got a Priory key right after where tank pinged just outside the last room and healer died, and we wiped. So he quit on the key with 7 minutes left.

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For some reason I should never do keys on Voidbound week

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I have such terrible success.

near oar Sep 30, 2025, 1:26 AM

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wat is the easiest way to sim

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 6:25 AM

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near oar wat is the easiest way to sim

raidbots.com

stoic lake Sep 30, 2025, 8:37 AM

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This is a very big disagree

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Theres a certain person who was banned from here that proves that one doesnt always directly translate to the other

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no matter how good

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Cheesin

neon glen Sep 30, 2025, 8:39 AM

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most likely != all

stoic lake Sep 30, 2025, 8:39 AM

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the only time i use raid / parses is if people have near equal score / gear

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 8:47 AM

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I'll take a 99 parser with 200 rio lower than what I'd normally take over a blue parser with same gear but 200 higher rio

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 8:53 AM

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Very apples to oranges comparison

noble kestrel Sep 30, 2025, 8:55 AM

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I'll take the person with the funny name every time

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 9:07 AM

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noble kestrel I'll take the person with the funny name every time

I'll take the one who isn't a mage or a ret paladin

noble kestrel Sep 30, 2025, 9:07 AM

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haha

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:30 AM

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glad harness Very apples to oranges comparison

how

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like if you can't dps in a scripted environment, how're you supposed to dps in a more chaotic one

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 9:34 AM

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Surviving in a raid, versus m+. Responsibility in raid, versus m+. Two very entirely different beasts.

noble kestrel Sep 30, 2025, 9:35 AM

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Damage in a raid enviroment can also depend on the group (padding, etc) too

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:39 AM

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glad harness Surviving in a raid, versus m+. Responsibility in raid, versus m+. Two very enti...

I mean it's comparable to an orange belt vs a black belt in x sport and then comparing them against eachother in y sport

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 9:40 AM

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Its like asking of the world class excel spreadsheet maker can compete in premier league

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:40 AM

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? xd

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yeah raid doesn't have any transferable skills to M+ I guess

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my point is: if you're not able to do what you're supposed to on training dummies, you're not magically gonna be able to deal dmg when you suddenly have to rotate cc and defensives

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 9:46 AM

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Just like doing 19s arent automatically going to make you a godtier raider

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:46 AM

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I didn't say that

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you're significantly more likely to be a good raider though

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 9:47 AM

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doubt

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 9:47 AM

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In my experience its the opposite

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:47 AM

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how are we even arguing against that skills transfer between game modes

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 9:48 AM

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Because they dont

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:48 AM

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lol

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 9:48 AM

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Not because some skills arent transferable, but because people that mostly play m+ often raid only for gear so they can do m+

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Which means they dgaf about raid

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 9:49 AM

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and doing mechanics in raid are way different than M+

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especially with more clutter etc.

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:49 AM

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the logic behind pressing buttons in raid is the complete same though

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you're not gonna be able to carry yourself dps-wise if you can't deal dmg on bosses, which parses happen to be the best indicator of

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 9:50 AM

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DPS is often not the hard part about radiing

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because it really often matter only in the top 50s

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 9:51 AM

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Parsing is also a very good indicator of "how many mechanics can I ignore for my team to pick up the slack while I get good number"

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 9:51 AM

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Yes

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Or who was able to pad more

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Like on gally last season

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if you had fury warriors and ret

hearty fog Sep 30, 2025, 9:52 AM

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glad harness Parsing is also a very good indicator of "how many mechanics can I ignore for my...

greenparser

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 9:52 AM

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You werent doing anyparse, because adds died in no time

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 9:54 AM

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idk I haven't gone wrong with the strat of inviting people with high parses so far

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whenever I invite people with low ones they can't do what they're supposed to though

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 10:13 AM

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glad harness Parsing is also a very good indicator of "how many mechanics can I ignore for my...

true but all the green parsers are also coincidently not playing in liquid

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CAUGHT

plush dune Sep 30, 2025, 10:14 AM

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glorpingspree

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 10:14 AM

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There is a high probability of gray parsers being in either echo or liquid at the time of both guilds first kill though

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kekw

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:15 AM

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real

plush dune Sep 30, 2025, 10:15 AM

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AntennaGlorp

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 10:17 AM

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glorpgue

hearty fog Sep 30, 2025, 10:32 AM

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yeah i disagree with the take of parsing is a good indicator of "hurr durr they must ignore mechanics"

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at least in heroic

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 10:32 AM

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hearty fog yeah i disagree with the take of parsing is a good indicator of "hurr durr they ...

you only say that because you're one of them

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:(

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 10:38 AM

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You almost had me fimbul, but I am baitresistant today

hearty fog Sep 30, 2025, 10:38 AM

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im not even baiting

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for once

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:40 AM

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glad harness You almost had me fimbul, but I am baitresistant today

Ferals are Temu Sin Rogues

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 10:40 AM

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Ur dad is the temu version of my dad

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:41 AM

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Mine stopped working this year, so yeah might be true

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:43 AM

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fringe umbra In my experience its the opposite

everytime we have reluctantly accepted a m+er into the guild it has ended bad, like taken him from a wr 200 or so guild and it just wasent good

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:43 AM

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stable bison everytime we have reluctantly accepted a m+er into the guild it has ended bad, l...

I mean depends how much they raid on WR200

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If you have a wr 200 on 2 day

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he might be good garf_sit

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 10:44 AM

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wr200 on a 5 day

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 10:44 AM

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2 days become 3 or 4

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 10:44 AM

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garf_sit

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 10:44 AM

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just be safe with a top 30 7 day you know they cant do more

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:44 AM

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fringe umbra wr200 on a 5 day

They have to be good right !?

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 10:44 AM

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when we day raided it didnt go well

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:45 AM

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last time we took someone (this was back in colour) he came from a wr 160ish, failed trial with us, joined a much better guild and failed there too

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 10:45 AM

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my hats toof to liquid/method echo etc

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:45 AM

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very very good m+er tho

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:46 AM

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It was @zealous halo right !?

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:46 AM

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never had the pleasure of raiding with zac, so unfortunately no

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:47 AM

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Zac only fails trials when he insists on playing outlaw

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He is a gamer

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:48 AM

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worldly forge Zac only fails trials when he insists on playing outlaw

HUH

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:49 AM

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Fortunately enough he isnt an OTP in Raid prog

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garf_sit

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Even tho he shamed me for not playing Outlaw on my Stream of Salhadaar prog ReallyMad

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 10:51 AM

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stable bison everytime we have reluctantly accepted a m+er into the guild it has ended bad, l...

Same experience from a higher wr. For the most it was technical execution of mechanics, and at times just ego problems or personalityclash garf

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 10:51 AM

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I mean there are exceptions

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We got some wr 1000+ people for our wr 400 Guild

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Which were good

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Just need to be lucky

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 10:55 AM

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stable bison last time we took someone (this was back in colour) he came from a wr 160ish, fa...

-.- we just invited a new player in our guild which has a high r.io score but abyssal logs

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this conversation isn't making me more confident about this decision our officers took

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:56 AM

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tbf tho logs also kinda mean fuck all (as long as they arent like piss ofc)

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when i still vetted players in the guilds ive been in i couldnt care less if the person is 80 avg or 100

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 10:57 AM

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well ^^

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:57 AM

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its not what im remotely looking at

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 10:57 AM

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i am with you, but green in heroic is kinda not great

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and thats giving him a fair chance because heroic logs ended up his best

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 10:58 AM

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yeah id only be looking at mythic

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 10:59 AM

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what do recruiters look for

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previous wr?

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like do they check prog logs

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:00 AM

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well alot of it is word of mouth

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:00 AM

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ya okay

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:00 AM

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and then what i did was look at progress logs

rare solar Sep 30, 2025, 11:00 AM

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manic sedge what do recruiters look for

really depends on where you are trying to get into as well

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:00 AM

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not only kills but alot of deep pulls on a boss

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:01 AM

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tough swallow well ^^

goated

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:02 AM

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tbh i can't rly say and if our other officers want to trail

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why not

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i just found it interesting/fun because stealthi's experience with m+ players

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:05 AM

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manic sedge what do recruiters look for

Well we (WR400-500 Guild) look for previous WR and CEs and also Logs

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:05 AM

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worldly forge Well we (WR400-500 Guild) look for previous WR and CEs and also Logs

what weighs more?

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:05 AM

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And everything else will be discussed in voice

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WR and Ces

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Someone who got consistent CEs for the last 6 Raids but has like 60-80 parses is more attractive, than someone with 4-6 Mythic but 80+ logs

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for us

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:06 AM

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once you get to a certain rank

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you basically do not get in

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unless you know people

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and have a good rep

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:07 AM

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That sounds like top ranks

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 11:08 AM

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At WR 1500 we look for people with a pulse

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But we're flexible with that requirement

plush dune Sep 30, 2025, 11:08 AM

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garf_sit

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:08 AM

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worldly forge That sounds like top ranks

basically how it worked in colour and in myst

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:08 AM

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worldly forge Someone who got consistent CEs for the last 6 Raids but has like 60-80 parses is...

what about CEs, shit world rank and good logs

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:08 AM

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like ofc there were chances on someone that knew 0

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of us would get in

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but they would be of similar wr as us

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and be vetted by the people that play the same class

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:09 AM

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manic sedge what about CEs, shit world rank and good logs

Well if you have many CEs shit world rank and good logs, you are probably the star player of your guild

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which is also a good catch

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but they can have an Ego problem

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garf_sit

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:09 AM

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garf_sit

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:09 AM

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Because they were star player and now they are mediorce

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in the new environment and dont handle Becnhes well

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(we had this several times now)

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:10 AM

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stable bison basically how it worked in colour and in myst

colour was a bit extreme cus of the way we did things, basically just a guild of spec OTP's

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so quite high class knowledge crammed into 1 guild

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the glory days of the 2x sub OTP's

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as the rogues in the guild

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shit went hard

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:11 AM

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you know adds disappeared first global

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:11 AM

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this was back in DF

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so no sub burst

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Ahh Gloomblade Gaming

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my beloved

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:12 AM

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i mean, subtlety had a bit of burst

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but ... ignorable

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:13 AM

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tough swallow i mean, subtlety had a bit of burst

the glory days of me and push playing together (miss the dude)

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:14 AM

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push, stealthi, annsie

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lovely seeing out subtlety buys

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:24 AM

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we may not be a lot but we are there

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:43 AM

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Idk if it's cause I climbed ranks, or if player mentality evolved

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But I feel like people care more about correct specs etc nowadays

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Both in m+ and raid

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Players are expected to play multiple specs and classes now

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I don't think splits were as prevalent before aswell

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:45 AM

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Alot of guilds having no business doing splits are doing splits because "thats what liquid does so it has to be good"

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:45 AM

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doing splits is way easier now too

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in our early days it took months to get chars ready

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now it takes at most 1 week or 2

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and you get the random boost for buying expansions

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so since legion it has been quite easy to just have that 1 or 2 extra chars

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:46 AM

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zealous halo Idk if it's cause I climbed ranks, or if player mentality evolved

100% a mix of both

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:47 AM

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also there is way less people

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so the ones that are left gatekeep more

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:47 AM

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glad harness Alot of guilds having no business doing splits are doing splits because "thats w...

Idk tbf splits are kinda chill and free loot

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And I guess way more valuable than before

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With tier sets

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In SL we didn't have tier sets

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:47 AM

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We did this Too as wr400 guild and it saved as tries at araz which wasnt doable for US

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So we used the time we wouldve spent on Boss we wouldnt kill like thst, to gear us

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:48 AM

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This tier was weird tho

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:48 AM

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There are way too many W1000 guilds who dropped into RLE ahead of the tier asking for advice on splits

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:48 AM

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Araz wasn't doable by anyone

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:48 AM

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zealous halo But I feel like people care more about correct specs etc nowadays

def metaslaving harder this ssn

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:48 AM

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We also pushed are extra days back to end Boss prog

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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people insta invite arcane mages

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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glad harness Alot of guilds having no business doing splits are doing splits because "thats w...

its a plague, even heroic guilds start doing so

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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Because we always Fell into Boss gets nerfed mid prog

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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I feel like m+ mentality had a draftic shift with Aug season

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And for raid idk

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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that will happen to us on dimensius

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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Just slowly happened

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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likely it gets nerfed this or next week

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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also aura updater, why tf does every guild now want people to use auraupdater + liquid weakauras

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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m+ just realised the power of buffs and other things

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also many statistics pages popped up like mushrooms

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:49 AM

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tough swallow also aura updater, why tf does every guild now want people to use auraupdater + ...

Cause it's easier to have everyone using the same thing

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Which is important

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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well its not

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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Since a lot of bosses are solved with assignments etc

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Well it is for assignments

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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its a lot of maintainane effort for guilds

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and most need to do that during raid hours

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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it railroads people quite a bit

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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Ye well it's even worse when your players are tasked to maintain their weak aura themselves

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And never do

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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so you sacrafice your raid hours for placebo confort

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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but also makes things way easier

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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alaso

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:50 AM

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Idk I disagree with that

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:51 AM

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aura updater has what it feels like daily updates, sometimes 2 times a day

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while i love people putting in effort

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:51 AM

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tough swallow its a lot of maintainane effort for guilds

Whats the maintenance? Ask for people to update addons and auras right before raid

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:51 AM

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yes

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and you can be outdated even if you updated the day before

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or even the same day too early

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:51 AM

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Yes, thats why it should be done right before raid

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:52 AM

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it adds a lot of ovherhead and potential problems

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:52 AM

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It's just a press of a button tho

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When people were just trying to maintain an updated weak aura version

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:52 AM

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you need to update the addon every time, because of how it works

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:52 AM

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You couldn't check if everyone was up to date

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Always had a guy not doing it

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Then you spend the night wiping on a weak aura

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And no one knows

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:52 AM

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you know how it worked before

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:52 AM

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It 100% beats troubleshooting weakauras midraid

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garf

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:52 AM

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you just had bos mods ^^

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Right know your raid leader open the window and sees if everyone is on the same version it's way better

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And it's then easier to update

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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its just 100% more complicated for little gain

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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glad harness It 100% beats troubleshooting weakauras midraid

fyrakk intermission Despairge

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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bosses are quite more complicated now sadly

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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I agree tho I don't necessarily like all the weak aura bullshit

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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but also you could query lots more shit

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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stable bison fyrakk intermission <:Despairge:1061464861474816030>

Why the fuck do we have two R3s???

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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remember achimonde with exorsus?

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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But stuffs like the liquid updater is just better idk

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

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literally 10x or 20x easier

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so you could let people brain afk a bit more

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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zealous halo But stuffs like the liquid updater is just better idk

We're having less weakaura fuckery with the NS add-on

worldly forge Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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glad harness Why the fuck do we have two R3s???

Or ovinax, why Do two three people yell green

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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ember nest bosses are quite more complicated now sadly

i don't think thats super relevant, because weakauras does nothing boss mods can't solve

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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Still some fuckery

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But less

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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tough swallow i don't think thats super relevant, because weakauras does nothing boss mods can...

huh

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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tough swallow i don't think thats super relevant, because weakauras does nothing boss mods can...

yea just kept cucking boss mods

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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tough swallow you just had bos mods ^^

Boss mods don't go as advanced in assignments as weak aura devs do tho

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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and making things private etc

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:54 AM

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the reaon weakauras won is because you can share them faster

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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Which make sense tho, weak aura is just kinda running scripts that Yoh can edit in runtime

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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with addons

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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This has to be bait

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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It'd easier to make tho

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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Im not falling for it.

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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A weak aura

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Even tho in the end it's the same shit

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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you need to update the addon, then upload the update, wait for it to progress and then have everyone start their addon updater

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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glad harness <:huh:1032796379262746624>

waiting for bigwigs to solve fractillus walls

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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I mean they could

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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with weakauras you can just share it in chat and have everyone download

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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Waiting for bigwigs to solve neltharion radar

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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XD

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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glad harness Waiting for bigwigs to solve neltharion radar

OH GAWD

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hell nah

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:55 AM

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fun fact

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:56 AM

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Everything you can do with weak aura you can do in an addon tho

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It's just harder

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:56 AM

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exorsus raid tools used to be just that

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^^

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 11:56 AM

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Which is why people don't do it

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:56 AM

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what's aura updater

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weakaura companion?

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:56 AM

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yea the exorsus guy was goated

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:57 AM

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manic sedge what's aura updater

addon that helps you stay up to date with the latest raid WA for stuff getting fixed etc and shows if everybody is on the same version or not

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 11:58 AM

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so octopals verifier client, just addon instead of weakaura?

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 11:58 AM

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also a way to share paid weakaura sets in a controlled way

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so you can easier avoid leaks

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its a over engineered solution for a self created problem ^^

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:59 AM

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well this kind of things used to exist from way back they are now just available to anyone

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 11:59 AM

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saves us time on prog, so ill take it

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 11:59 AM

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the NS guy was actually surprised so many people were interested in the WAs he made for his guild

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then it went kinda more popular

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paragon and other guilds used to also have cool addons

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and of course the most notable being exorsus and method

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 12:00 PM

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the benefits of exsorsus raid tools was

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i don't remember a time where you had to update it or it would not function

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so having it installed was basically a guarantee to have the what is now a weakaura

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also the performance overhead was practically non existence

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while we now happily trade off 10+ fps for a raid weakaura set

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 12:02 PM

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stable bison addon that helps you stay up to date with the latest raid WA for stuff getting f...

wait it's paid?

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 12:03 PM

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the weakaura sets are

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so you pay a monthly fee

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 12:04 PM

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manic sedge wait it's paid?

aura updater is, the WA's gets given out for free some time after, the race is over by liquid

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 12:04 PM

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then you get a string you put in that unlocks your access to the weakaura set via a specific wow addon update client

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this circumvents the eula, which strictly forbits sold addons

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because aura updater only acts as a middle man, its a very gray area

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but selling weakauras or plater/elvui strings is similar and commonly done for a long time now

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 12:07 PM

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manic sedge wait it's paid?

it basically just gives you access to their WA's during the race with live updates when they fix shit. but as i said the WA's gets given out on wago after the race is over
saves guilds quite alot of time with the constant fixes to WA's that assign certain shit

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 12:08 PM

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is it just 1 person or is it the entire raid team

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that needs to pay

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 12:09 PM

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1 person in the guild just has to pay

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 12:09 PM

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hmmm might suggest it to gm

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 12:13 PM

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zealous halo But I feel like people care more about correct specs etc nowadays

For a while blizzard actually did tuning passes that changed stuff, but they have mostly stopped doing that

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So people see whats best in keys at the start of the season, and then because people rolled to it blizzard wont change it to upset the fotm rerollers and its just a loop that reinforces itself

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Its not a coincidence that the most diverse metas are the ones where theres tuning going on during the season

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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to be fair they did 2 very insane buffs this season to warrior and hunter

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especially the hunter buffs ended up impacting meta

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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Yeah but hunter was already good and played

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 12:16 PM

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warrior got buff + some extra mechanic

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making slayer thingy work well

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 12:24 PM

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fringe umbra Yeah but hunter was already good and played

you see a noticable increase in play rate tho

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 12:26 PM

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i find funny how they completely curbstomped frost

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then killed unholy and buffed frost again

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what an expansion for dk

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pendulum ass game kinda

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maybe arcane had that too

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 12:28 PM

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tough swallow you see a noticable increase in play rate tho

Ye idk the BM buff is just insanity, idk why they buffed a spec that was already doing really well

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But stuff like the fury buff should happen every single tuning patch imo

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Right now theres no point to not fotm reroll since the change your spec gets buffed enough to be strong is close to 0 (or the fotm spec gets nerfed)

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 12:30 PM

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tbh i think tuning in general did more recently reward you for fotm more than in older xpacs

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unsure what people like more, i personally like more frequent changes

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 12:31 PM

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fringe umbra But stuff like the fury buff should happen *every single* tuning patch imo

This buff you're talking about is the 4set fix(or bug IDK)?

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 12:32 PM

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The bugfix, but it doesnt really matter the exact reason

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Just tuning with regards to m+

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 12:32 PM

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Yeah the bug fix just threw warriors thru the fucking roof

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Reap the storms is now top DMG in any AoE Pull basically

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 12:34 PM

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I was expecting something announced tuning wise for 11.2.5, but so far nothing. Usually there's more notice it feels like

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 12:34 PM

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mellow pilot Reap the storms is now top DMG in any AoE Pull basically

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

Tenor

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I’m considering gearing my fury since I’m stuck in queue jail

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 12:36 PM

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Reap the storms in AoE procs basically every gcd with the bug fix

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It's really good

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 12:37 PM

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I don’t like the fact that you pretty much ignore BT now, but you can’t have it all

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 12:38 PM

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S2 you only cared about bt when the WA flashed anyway

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For the 100% crit

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 12:38 PM

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I’m a chunky bloodthirst enjoyer

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Well on aoe you also pressed it

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 12:40 PM

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i like arms more

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a bit sad it is not as good

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jugg should not have a cap on stacks

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smh

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 12:58 PM

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ember nest i like arms more

idk feels super clunky and doesn't lean enough into execute dmg for me

ember nest Sep 30, 2025, 1:01 PM

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yea execute has been gutted so many times

sharp nest Sep 30, 2025, 1:29 PM

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what would you say is the difficulty ranking/order between these 5: heroic raids, mythic +13, mythic+10, normal raids, mythic +7? Just your best guess

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 1:39 PM

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From harder to easier:

+7
+13
heroic raid
+10
normal raid

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Assuming pugs

sharp nest Sep 30, 2025, 1:41 PM

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+7 hardest due to less experienced and maybe undergeared players?

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 1:41 PM

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Yes

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 1:41 PM

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fringe umbra Right now theres no point to not fotm reroll since the change your spec gets buf...

idk why they decide too just leave outliers like they are

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if something is overtuned, at this point you can just play it and dont care, cus they just dont touch it lol

sharp nest Sep 30, 2025, 1:42 PM

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mellow pilot Assuming pugs

assume stable group at roughly the same skill level?

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just want a rough idea what are the closest difficulty levels between raids and dungeons

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 1:44 PM

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well, +7 is where you have undergeared alts that just reached max level 1hour ago or alts that didnt get touched since the last season

or players that reached their skillcap in +7, which somewhat translates into "not a very good player"

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and thats a deadly combination

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on one hand you have a guy that pulls 5 packs on his 680 tank and dies

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and on the other hand you have people that play one button rotation or move their character with the arrow keys

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 1:46 PM

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woeful geyser and on the other hand you have people that play one button rotation or move thei...

kira moves with arrow keys

long ice Sep 30, 2025, 1:47 PM

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yeah that short was mind-blowing

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seeing his key setup

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 1:48 PM

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I respect it

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 1:48 PM

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A CS player uses his feet, doesn't mean everyone should do it xD

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 1:48 PM

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idk who Kira is, and honestly dont care aswell

you know what i meant with that lol

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 1:48 PM

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yes you were saying that all players that use arrow keys are bad :^)

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 1:48 PM

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you dont know who kira is ?

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 1:49 PM

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zealous halo you dont know who kira is ?

who?

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 1:50 PM

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zealous halo you dont know who kira is ?

nope

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 1:50 PM

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thats crazy no ?

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 1:50 PM

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why would he, if he isnt remotely in the m+ space?

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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sure

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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It's a tank, big one afaik

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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with some funny takes

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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Like 15% takes

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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stable bison with some funny takes

royal just said "its a tank"

mellow pilot Sep 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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XD

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 1:52 PM

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idk he is the best tank every season basically

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 1:52 PM

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woeful geyser nope

warcraftlogs founder

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 1:52 PM

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if you are remotely interested by m+

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just remotely tho

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 1:52 PM

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tough swallow warcraftlogs founder

what

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 1:52 PM

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tough swallow warcraftlogs founder

wrong one

zealous halo Sep 30, 2025, 1:52 PM

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ye thats true

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i think its kyra no

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its kihra

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actually

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 1:53 PM

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oh lol

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imagine that though

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 1:53 PM

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stable bison wrong one

dracthyr_kek

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 1:53 PM

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warcraftlogs founder AND r1 every season

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gigachad

eager cipher Sep 30, 2025, 1:58 PM

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Guys when is the leaked rework getting announced

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 1:58 PM

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2027

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Also what do you mean leaked, they announced it themselves lmao

eager cipher Sep 30, 2025, 1:59 PM

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Heard it was on reset tomorrow

hidden compass Sep 30, 2025, 1:59 PM

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stable bison colour was a bit extreme cus of the way we did things, basically just a guild of...

Speaking of, what happened to colour?

glad harness Sep 30, 2025, 2:00 PM

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Exploded

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Stealthi took the GM out back and gave him a offer of retirement he couldnt refuse

hidden compass Sep 30, 2025, 2:01 PM

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Oh

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 2:01 PM

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glad harness Stealthi took the GM out back and gave him a offer of retirement he couldnt refu...

😱

hidden compass Sep 30, 2025, 2:02 PM

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Good for him, hope he enjoys wow retirement though (if that was the case)

faint bough Sep 30, 2025, 2:02 PM

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eager cipher Guys when is the leaked rework getting announced

rework for who

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 2:02 PM

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hidden compass Speaking of, what happened to colour?

gm wanted to quit, nobody wanted the GM mantle so we disbanded

hidden compass Sep 30, 2025, 2:02 PM

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Mmm makes sense

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 2:08 PM

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Our GM quit too sadge

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Officers still holding it together for now though, so no panic

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 2:09 PM

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fringe umbra Officers still holding it together for now though, so no panic

you can come and join me in :

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 2:09 PM

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just too many logistics to keep track of for mythic raiding

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can't imagine the amount of work to be an officer in high wr guilds

fringe umbra Sep 30, 2025, 2:11 PM

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Our GM went hard as fuck this tier, thats part of the reason we had like +30 WR higher than usual, but then he unsurprisingly felt burnt out afterwards

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It is what it is

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Or -30, whatever, 30 ranks better

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 2:12 PM

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I personally would love if 10 man mythic became a thing

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not for HoF though

tough swallow Sep 30, 2025, 3:15 PM

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fringe umbra Our GM quit too <:sadge:820202363359854633>

analog acorn Sep 30, 2025, 4:18 PM

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manic sedge I personally would love if 10 man mythic became a thing

They said in a interview last month that they wont go to 10 man mythic with how many classes there are

long ice Sep 30, 2025, 4:18 PM

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I wouldn't mind flex mythic

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 4:20 PM

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analog acorn They said in a interview last month that they wont go to 10 man mythic with how ...

ye they keep doubling down on that I know

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still would love it

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and know a lot of people who would love it

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 5:43 PM

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long ice I wouldn't mind flex mythic

how is that supposed to work

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same for @manic sedge btw dracthyr_kek

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like, you guys realise that balancing mythic without a set amount of players is literally impossible and will result in it being either a joke or borderline impossible, depeending on the fights

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some classes would never see a raid from the inside ever again, we literally have more then 10 classes in the game

mild wasp Sep 30, 2025, 5:47 PM

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i think this season's mythic tuning was spot-on, it'd be a shame to ruin that

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just rework the other difficulties imo

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story mode is the perfect opportunity to make a full version of the raid for 1-5 players that gets filled with bots

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and you get cosmetic-only lfr transmog

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then you just make the other difficulties all be a little harder

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and guilds that want to do harder content but can't beat roster boss have something to do

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 5:52 PM

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woeful geyser like, you guys realise that balancing mythic without a set amount of players is ...

I have no clue how it'd be properly implemented but I'd love it if it could be

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 5:54 PM

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like, there was a reason why 10man was removed

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and its not "blizz hates fun" or smth like that

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 5:54 PM

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mythic has been 20man for over 10 years now, maybe its time to accept its staying like that just because another solution would be better for you

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 5:55 PM

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but... I'm not saying that I don't accept it lol

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 5:55 PM

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it would help more if they would make the entry point for mythic raiding more easy

aka changing how lockouts work, trying to make the difficuly curve smoother and stuff

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 5:56 PM

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there's just the obvious issue of how hard it is to organize something to work for 20 people

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 5:56 PM

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the lockout for mythic has been a hot topic for a long time and there probably exists a solution where it could be better just not sure personally myself what that is

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 5:56 PM

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and if even high wr guilds are disbanding because of it, imagine the low world ranks

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 5:56 PM

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but mythic flex or 10 man are just straight up worse

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guilds disband all the time man, its not always because of anything having to do with 20 people

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 5:57 PM

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mythic flex or 10man mythic is one of those things where people think it WOULD be good, and if you think about it for more then 20seconds it falls appart

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also doesnt help that 10man mythic is very often said by people that never did mythic raids in the first place because they are not good enough, and blame the 20man requirment for that

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like, just the class stuff would be giga fucked

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and the stuff people would have to do

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 5:58 PM

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idk I think that adds to it

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 5:58 PM

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current raid desing with 10man? oof

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have fun gearing 3-4 characters

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so you can swap to whats good and requiered for a specific fight

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instead of playing the thing you wanna play

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 5:59 PM

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ye obv design philosophy would have to change in regards to raid

stoic lake Sep 30, 2025, 5:59 PM

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woeful geyser instead of playing the thing you wanna play

You don't get to play what you want to anyway bc everyone fotm flocks

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 5:59 PM

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how can you change it

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remove all stuff that needs class special things?

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what even exists at that point

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like, cant make fights require warlock gates anymore? or knockbacks?

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that would be so much worse and make fights immediatly worse in every way + HARDCORE fuck over some classes lol

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Imagine ever playing something Else than your one trick

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:01 PM

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idk I think it's fine with every class not having specific util and just bringing dmg

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you would still have flex raid spots

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:02 PM

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wdym flex raidspots

it would be "stack as many ranged dps as possible+ a DH" cus of arcane int and chaos brand

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omegalul

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:02 PM

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like hunter, rogue, priest, paladin and evoker kinda don't bring anything

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Priest is ehm

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM

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in what world does evoker not bring anything

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM

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in terms of absolute must have raid buffs

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or util

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM

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The increased Max hp is insane

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM

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time spiral? time dilation? carry people around?

haughty spear Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM

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manic sedge like hunter, rogue, priest, paladin and evoker kinda don't bring anything

4 out of 5 are mandatory

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:03 PM

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evoker is bonkers with utility lol

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:04 PM

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ya but we're not talking world first raiders

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:04 PM

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hunter and rogue are definetly not even close to mandatory

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:04 PM

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we're talking entrance level mythic raid

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 6:04 PM

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Then nothing is

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:04 PM

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and obviously in some imaginary 10man mythic world the buffs would probably notstay as how they are

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:05 PM

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manic sedge ya but we're not talking world first raiders

world first raiders are not the only people that benefit from "one of our healers can cast while moving and you can carry a priest around during hard movement mechanics"

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OMEGAKEKW

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or "reset everyones main movement cd"

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:05 PM

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idk who you're arguing against. That's not even what I said xd

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obviously they all bring something, but they're not mandatory in the same way literally all the other classes I didn't mention are

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:07 PM

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bro sorry, but thinking Evoker is not "mandatory" like some other classes kinda shows that you dont even know how important or unimportant some stuff is lol (same with priest, the stamina buff is very important for a long time lol)

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its one of the classes that could get some stuff removed because of how overloaded it is with important utility dracthyr_kek

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:08 PM

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wanna bet there are CEs at the end of this season that are missing one of each of these

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:09 PM

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do you think thats actually proving your point or

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:09 PM

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and again - I'm not saying 10 man mythic should be the optimal mythic raid, but it could easily become an option for lower wr players

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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congrats you killed a boss tuned for 710 at 725 +18% ?

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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meager totem congrats you killed a boss tuned for 710 at 725 +18% ?

how does this not apply if 10 man would be a thing? xd

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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manic sedge wanna bet there are CEs at the end of this season that are missing one of each o...

You Can say that about every single raid buff

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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you can

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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dimensius is going to get outgeared like crazy

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:10 PM

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but I'm willing to bet some are way less frequently missing than others

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 6:11 PM

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Well maybe not DK this tier with dimmy is designed but thats an edge case

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:11 PM

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16-17 manning that boss in 2months is probably a realistic scenario if anyone could be bothered

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:11 PM

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meager totem dimensius is going to get outgeared like crazy

can confirm, sala is mechanic walling us so hard that we will probs be like 750 at the time we start dimensius prog dracthyr_kek

stable bison Sep 30, 2025, 6:13 PM

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manic sedge but I'm willing to bet some are way less frequently missing than others

In alot of cases that also has to do with class population

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:13 PM

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stable bison In alot of cases that also has to do with class population

most cases probably yeah

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:13 PM

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not hard to get a Druid or Paladin buff, Monk debuff missing is more common

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:13 PM

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I played without windfury totem for idk how long

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:16 PM

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most people did, enh gained alot of popularity from like end of SL

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:16 PM

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tbf I probably wouldn't set foot in mythic raid if it wasn't because I needed to kill certain bosses to use dinars on their stuff

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 6:16 PM

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and even then it was partywide so just depends what your guild had

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:16 PM

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I kinda just want to queue keys

woeful geyser Sep 30, 2025, 6:17 PM

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then do that?

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 6:17 PM

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brother why are you pressed

analog acorn Sep 30, 2025, 6:18 PM

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manic sedge brother why are you pressed

Thats just tryan you will get used to it

left crow Sep 30, 2025, 6:43 PM

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My idea of how to implement mythic flex raid sizes: first have the hall of fame fill up. Then open raid size on mythic for everyone who has curve. I expect a full battle.net balance from Blizzard for this idea. Thanks for listening.

viscid gust Sep 30, 2025, 7:17 PM

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whats max raid rep rank are we this week?

visual storm Sep 30, 2025, 7:21 PM

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Should I wait until I get to higher keys to review my logs to learn to be better? Or is it fine to start now even it’s only +2-4?

manic sedge Sep 30, 2025, 7:33 PM

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visual storm Should I wait until I get to higher keys to review my logs to learn to be better...

you should probably do a bit more content yourself and read/watch some guides before reviewing makes sense

hard current Sep 30, 2025, 8:11 PM

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got the 2k score mount on outlaw pepehands

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 8:22 PM

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Congrats!

lavish otter Sep 30, 2025, 8:31 PM

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Is there a way to play rogue and be good without using WA?

hard current Sep 30, 2025, 8:48 PM

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hopefully 3k soon so i can show my asshole havoc DH friend who is the goat

trail aurora Sep 30, 2025, 9:22 PM

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lavish otter Is there a way to play rogue and be good without using WA?

I'd say that's a taller order than with some other classes. Outlaw benefits greatly from WA compared to not having them.

deep rose Sep 30, 2025, 9:23 PM

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I'm new - could someone help me out on making a choice here?

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 9:26 PM

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deep rose I'm new - could someone help me out on making a choice here?

Hey hey, it'd depend on what gear you already have equipped for the most part.

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So it's hard to really say just from a picture of the vault.

deep rose Sep 30, 2025, 9:27 PM

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warm pagoda Hey hey, it'd depend on what gear you already have equipped for the most part.

Gotcha - makes sense. I guess I'm more wondering how valuable/difficult it is to get a set piece?
The dagger is 100% my biggest ilvl jump by far, just don't know how hard it is to get a set piece.

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My daggers're at 642 & my chest is at 655

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 9:27 PM

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deep rose Gotcha - makes sense. I guess I'm more wondering how valuable/difficult it is to...

Set pieces shouldn't be too hard to get, you should have 4 catalyst charges at this point.

meager totem Sep 30, 2025, 9:28 PM

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you can craft a dagger with the crest from campaign even if you cant do high lvl delves yet

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think weapon if its not mythic ilvl should be pretty low prio

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 9:28 PM

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So like, you run a delve, you get a champ tier chest, you can catalyse that.

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And yeah, if you run the K'aresh story you'll get a runed crest which would give you a 704? (I may be wrong on the ilvl here) dagger

lavish otter Sep 30, 2025, 9:29 PM

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trail aurora I'd say that's a taller order than with some other classes. Outlaw benefits grea...

What about sub and assassin??

deep rose Sep 30, 2025, 9:30 PM

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Thank you both!
So I sorta can't go wrong with either? I can just craft whichever I don't get?

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 9:30 PM

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deep rose Thank you both! So I sorta can't go wrong with either? I can just craft whicheve...

You can't craft the tier piece

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But you can catalyse a tier piece. So you get a champion track non-tier piece, you catalyse it, you get champ tier.

deep rose Sep 30, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Ahh, okay. Where would I check the mats for that?

trail aurora Sep 30, 2025, 9:33 PM

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lavish otter What about sub and assassin??

Sub's main thing is cooldown alignment which you could probably do fine with the built in cooldown manager. Assassination is probably the friendliest spec overall to play and the one least hurt by not having WAs, but I'm open to correction.

warm pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 9:33 PM

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deep rose Ahh, okay. Where would I check the mats for that?

If you go to the crafting order table in Dornogal you can look up the mats for the dagger. It's called the everforged stabber.

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(Make sure its the everforged stabber and NOT the everforged dagger)

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The everforged dagger is the int version

deep rose Sep 30, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Alrighty - thanks a ton again. I'll look at what I have. ❤️

neon glen Sep 30, 2025, 9:50 PM

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they really should've named the int dagger something more obvious like spellblade

sour patrol Sep 30, 2025, 10:55 PM

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neon glen they really should've named the int dagger something more obvious like spellblad...

Stabber of the Intellectual

neon glen Sep 30, 2025, 10:56 PM

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stabby mcsmart

sour patrol Sep 30, 2025, 11:01 PM

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Does any Int user actually craft it? I was under the impression they would just go staff

rare solar Sep 30, 2025, 11:12 PM

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Most of the time casters go for offhand or staff yeah

hearty fog Oct 1, 2025, 12:46 AM

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deep rose Alrighty - thanks a ton again. I'll look at what I have. ❤️

end of the day these will be temporary pieces

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if i were you though and this was brand new

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i'd take the chest

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and craft a dagger

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if you do the campaign

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you get a free crest to craft a piece of gear at 704

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which then can be recrafted later to 720

sour patrol Oct 1, 2025, 1:26 AM

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hearty fog and craft a dagger

*craft the right dagger

hearty fog Oct 1, 2025, 1:27 AM

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sour patrol *craft the right dagger

you mean siphoning stiletto my beloved (for legal reasons this comment should be taken as satire)

warm glacier Oct 1, 2025, 2:23 AM

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are we able to get r10 manaforge vandals this week or no

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 2:41 AM

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Probably r9?

deep rose Oct 1, 2025, 5:06 AM

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hearty fog end of the day these will be temporary pieces

i did exactly that, ty!

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Does anyone know the recommended ilvl before starting m+?

meager totem Oct 1, 2025, 5:09 AM

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maybe like 670-680? the problem with low level m+ keys is that you will find players of very wide skill degrees

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and those things are more important there than ilvl

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like yeah a group of 5 680 people can easily time a 10, but you can also get higher ilvl than that without ever stepping into a key so its just a community thing mostly

visual storm Oct 1, 2025, 6:24 AM

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You guys use mmo mouse or keyboard for keybinds? my wrist is starting to hurt spamming keys on keyboard lol

manic sedge Oct 1, 2025, 6:31 AM

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visual storm You guys use mmo mouse or keyboard for keybinds? my wrist is starting to hurt sp...

They’ll start hurting your other wrist with mmo mouse as well

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The muscle for my right thumb is like 20% bigger than my left one just from spamming mouse buttons xd

novel cipher Oct 1, 2025, 7:38 AM

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I use kb personally

celest hawk Oct 1, 2025, 8:25 AM

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i've only ever had pain in right hand but that's probably from arpgs
if you're getting left hand pain it's probably your wrist position more than anything

brisk sapphire Oct 1, 2025, 9:27 AM

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meager totem maybe like 670-680? the problem with low level m+ keys is that you will find pla...

Yeah you might run into Ryler

celest hawk Oct 1, 2025, 11:05 AM

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does it piss anyone else off that the chart icon goes to the page that isn't a chart

manic sedge Oct 1, 2025, 11:06 AM

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celest hawk does it piss anyone else off that the chart icon goes to the page that isn't a c...

never thought about this

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now I'm pissed though tyvm

celest hawk Oct 1, 2025, 11:07 AM

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garf join me

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:26 AM

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there are many more important things you can be annoyed about

manic sedge Oct 1, 2025, 11:30 AM

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tough swallow there are many more important things you can be annoyed about

whataboutism

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(joke)

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I still don't get why they don't wanna implement dmg parses for keys in the statistics overview

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:33 AM

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the problem is not that they don't want to

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rather the absence of logs

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damage in keys also isn't the most important metric, speed is

brisk sapphire Oct 1, 2025, 11:34 AM

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@tough swallow do you have the string for simming all variants of soleah

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:37 AM

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i do, give me a sec

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profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=haste"
profileset."vers"+="trinket1=soleahs_secret_technique,id=190958,ilevel=723"
profileset."vers"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=versatility"
profileset."mastery"+="trinket1=soleahs_secret_technique,id=190958,ilevel=723"
profileset."mastery"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=mastery"
profileset."crit"+="trinket1=soleahs_secret_technique,id=190958,ilevel=723"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=crit"```

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just make sure you have it in item slot 1 (top slot)

brisk sapphire Oct 1, 2025, 11:38 AM

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ok ty

faint bough Oct 1, 2025, 11:39 AM

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For unlocking legion artifact weapon appearances, is it one unlock per "category" for all classes? Like if you do the balance of power quest line on a rogue, and get the artifact for druid, will those forms be unlocked as well or is it per character basis

manic sedge Oct 1, 2025, 11:39 AM

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tough swallow the problem is not that they don't want to

I suggested it and it seemed like they didn't wanna contribute to the toxic culture of M+ already

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:39 AM

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how do you solve the lack of logs?

brisk sapphire Oct 1, 2025, 11:40 AM

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@tough swallow theres a bit of a problem here

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i link sec

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bERBCfphayjNur7Rp2tx4p

Raidbots

Advanced Sim - Fotmdk - 5,528,471 DPS - Raidbots

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aRDZ2DQKuwpSt3FkqjZ1FA

Raidbots

Quick Sim - Fotmdk - 5,653,773 DPS - Raidbots

manic sedge Oct 1, 2025, 11:40 AM

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tough swallow how do you solve the lack of logs?

I think that would change if they changed it to work more like raid logs

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there would be an incentive to log keys anyway

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currently there's really no incentive

rare solar Oct 1, 2025, 11:41 AM

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faint bough For unlocking legion artifact weapon appearances, is it one unlock per "category...

Balance of power is account wide
Anything else is class based, so if u did it on one rogue you can use it on all rogues

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Pretty sure it wasnt in legion but it is now

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:42 AM

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brisk sapphire <@194804407706189824> theres a bit of a problem here

nvm

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whats the problem

brisk sapphire Oct 1, 2025, 11:43 AM

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the dps gap

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:43 AM

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ye

brisk sapphire Oct 1, 2025, 11:43 AM

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theyre the same gear

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:43 AM

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moment

upbeat dew Oct 1, 2025, 11:49 AM

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between leech, avoidance and speed procs, which one do you prefer guys ??

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:50 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1866nSqj732sbhoohqan72

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the sim you did missed the configurations you set on quick sim/top gear

faint bough Oct 1, 2025, 11:51 AM

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rare solar Balance of power is account wide Anything else is class based, so if u did it on...

OK was curious if I could be lazy and just play one class in lemix to unlock the appearances for multiple but I guess not!

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 11:52 AM

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you can also just do this instead, as you guarantee the item to be used and don't compare it to other trinkets ^^

profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=haste"
profileset."vers"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=versatility"
profileset."mastery"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=mastery"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=crit"```

manic sedge Oct 1, 2025, 12:09 PM

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upbeat dew between leech, avoidance and speed procs, which one do you prefer guys ??

leech because you can't trust pug healers

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but avoidance>leech>speed is prob best

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speed isn't multiplicative and we already have a shit ton of mms

rare solar Oct 1, 2025, 12:11 PM

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Yeah on rogue im happy to have one that isnt speed

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On DK im stacking speed wherever i can

craggy cedar Oct 1, 2025, 2:28 PM

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Guys maybe someone know when mdi starting and when I can watch ? On official it’s starting today but zero streamers playing keys now

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:47 PM

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its only time trails

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i don't think time trails are streamed officially

zealous halo Oct 1, 2025, 2:52 PM

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no cause time trials last one week and people can juist play whenever

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and anyone can do time trials

hard current Oct 1, 2025, 3:55 PM

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every time i rtb a small quip from rollin plays in my mind

tough swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:12 PM

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> Midnight Deep Dive < for anyone who does not mind spoilers is live atm.

noble kestrel Oct 1, 2025, 4:33 PM

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Housing looks so fucking gooooood

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You can help friends decorate

bitter plume Oct 1, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Lady Liadrin is mewing

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XD

fierce warren Oct 1, 2025, 4:39 PM

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Cold Blooded Killer HOLY

cyan rose Oct 1, 2025, 4:48 PM

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are the alpha servers up?

faint bough Oct 1, 2025, 5:57 PM

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cyan rose are the alpha servers up?

alpha for general is tomorrow, certain streamers and content creators have it for today

noble kestrel Oct 1, 2025, 6:28 PM

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https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1973453217066254343

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

The Brawler's Guild is returning in either Patch 11.2.7 or Midnight

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Blessed. TIMES.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1423016577439371394/image.png?ex=68dec6f6&is=68dd7576&hm=099f8e72fb80d4e1fb96ab5f6c3d6a4d92bb64b4559004a51e17441c273804a8&

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Pretty interesting change to how Catalyst charges are going to work.

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 7:56 PM

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: (

woeful geyser Oct 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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who cares about cheapshot lmao

noble kestrel Oct 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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It's now buy one get one free shot

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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noble kestrel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1423016577439371394/im...

Tldr?

noble kestrel Oct 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Once you get 4-set, you can have an item drop to give you catalyst charges.

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Effectively making the Catalyst a lot better long-term, and it being less of a issue to burn a charge early on just to get 4-set

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 8:08 PM

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Good, ty!

zealous halo Oct 1, 2025, 8:08 PM

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kind pilot : (

where do you see 2 charges

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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zealous halo where do you see 2 charges

zealous halo Oct 1, 2025, 8:26 PM

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ok thats funny

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i think your skill capped thing is high af

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 8:29 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-bow-thank-you-gif-7306971942470557444

Tenor

novel karma Oct 1, 2025, 10:14 PM

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Do you know any m pug raiding communities

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My guild is having hard times and I dont want to leave it

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So I want to progress during its healing period

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A friend send me one discord community server but their times are not fitting to my work schedule

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I am 3/8 currently so I probably will have a very hard time joining a group either in those communities or in the group finder

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What do you recommend to me?

icy pecan Oct 1, 2025, 11:02 PM

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So what are the addons that wil be gutted in midnight

abstract bough Oct 1, 2025, 11:28 PM

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I’m keen to see how Valeera works in delves, could be interesting conceptually for a three role rogue class.

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:30 PM

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they already showed what she'll kinda do

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in the deep dive

abstract bough Oct 1, 2025, 11:33 PM

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Yeah that’s why I’m keen to see more, a vampiric healer spec + potions sounds kinda cool

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:35 PM

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maaan

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:36 PM

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kind pilot maaan

#pvp

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:36 PM

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This affects rogue in all content

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:36 PM

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It doesnt

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Its ok u can be wrong

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:37 PM

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Back to saying nonsense I see

humble parcel Oct 1, 2025, 11:37 PM

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how much easier are new rogues gonna be? i heard they do some skill difficulty changes to classess

mellow pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:37 PM

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Assa is easier

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Check the specific midnight new channels for that

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#midnight-assassination
#midnight-outlaw
#midnight-subtlety

zealous halo Oct 1, 2025, 11:56 PM

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kind pilot maaan

why you keep sending that when its wrong

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i dont see 2 charges

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:57 PM

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zealous halo why you keep sending that when its wrong

zachary i dont understand

zealous halo Oct 1, 2025, 11:58 PM

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wow genral typer i wouldnt expect you to understand

left belfry Oct 1, 2025, 11:58 PM

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is there a list of the defensives removed

kind pilot Oct 1, 2025, 11:58 PM

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zachary, i invite you to explain yourself

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the 2 charges are for one, in the image

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and for 2... it's in the alpha

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thank you, zachary

plush dune Oct 2, 2025, 12:31 AM

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noble kestrel https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1973453217066254343

i'll believe it when its actually in game

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i will not be burned again

rich meadow Oct 2, 2025, 1:05 AM

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https://x.com/hekili808/status/1973479282006696123?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Hekili (@hekili808)

Hekili will sunset with the launch of WoW's Midnight pre-patch (12.0).

I hope the addon helped you take on (and overcome?) new challenges in the game that you otherwise might never have done.

Thanks for the support, feedback, and...discourse?...over all these years. Aloha 🤙

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🪦

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Comments making me 😭

fervent ibex Oct 2, 2025, 3:14 AM

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woeful geyser who cares about cheapshot lmao

how dare thee Suske

grand cedar Oct 2, 2025, 5:48 AM

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PU_PepeSaluteRemember

austere oasis Oct 2, 2025, 6:16 AM

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Anyone with alpha access that can check of daggers can be transmogged to one handers?👀

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Apparently, they just added two hander to one hander transmogs for fury warriors

robust nacelle Oct 2, 2025, 7:18 AM

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kind pilot This affects rogue in all content

ye u can double cheap in delves on a dance window before sending SecTech

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its mostly for pvp and its prolly a nerf

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directly targeting DR windows

robust nacelle Oct 2, 2025, 7:21 AM

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humble parcel how much easier are new rogues gonna be? i heard they do some skill difficulty c...

Sin is worlds apart easier than sub,even now,even in the past

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most skill-based/challenging was sub

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always

cunning verge Oct 2, 2025, 8:29 AM

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Has any1 here farmed the title "The Insane" recently, if so, how long did it take you roughly?

night ginkgo Oct 2, 2025, 8:45 AM

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Lads when is Alpha out for those of use who forked out ?

glad harness Oct 2, 2025, 9:33 AM

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Potentially never?

night ginkgo Oct 2, 2025, 9:51 AM

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Valeera being our new Brann looks nice.

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https://tenor.com/view/shoe-sniff-you-dont-mess-around-with-jim-desert-sparrow-rhys-darby-dancing-gif-26955421

Tenor

lost shard Oct 2, 2025, 10:17 AM

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Hi guys, what spec is the best for a beginner rogue player that is starting to do keys and raid?

warm pagoda Oct 2, 2025, 10:20 AM

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lost shard Hi guys, what spec is the best for a beginner rogue player that is starting to d...

For raid I'd probably say sin

lost shard Oct 2, 2025, 12:12 PM

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warm pagoda For raid I'd probably say sin

Same for mythic+?

warm pagoda Oct 2, 2025, 12:15 PM

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lost shard Same for mythic+?

Possibly? I have limited experience m+ wise so wouldn't want to say

rare solar Oct 2, 2025, 12:18 PM

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lost shard Same for mythic+?

For m+ sin is very different to raid sin
Sub and outlaw are more similar from raid to m+ imo, but they have a higher barrier to entry
Sin plays DoT management in M+, in raid its a burst spec similar to sub for most fights id say

lost shard Oct 2, 2025, 12:20 PM

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rare solar For m+ sin is very different to raid sin Sub and outlaw are more similar from ra...

I just mean is it the best beginner spec for doing m+

rare solar Oct 2, 2025, 12:21 PM

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there isnt one

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it depends on what you like

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the actual best beginner specs are most likely BM hunter, Ret pala and Frost DK

short pasture Oct 2, 2025, 12:45 PM

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Hey guys i am trying to find any videos about rogue with new changes on midnight but there is 0 if anyone can link a video I’ll appreciate it

mellow pilot Oct 2, 2025, 12:55 PM

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#midnight-assassination
#midnight-outlaw
#midnight-subtlety

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So far I don't think there are videos from our guide writers/worthy theory crafters

neon glen Oct 2, 2025, 1:12 PM

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worthy theory crafters. Who are the unworthy ones? Susge

mellow pilot Oct 2, 2025, 1:13 PM

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Me

eager lark Oct 2, 2025, 2:05 PM

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I wonder how many rogues will reroll to devourer in midnight

stable latch Oct 2, 2025, 2:06 PM

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I wounder how many rogues will just stop playing

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Would be kinda funny if rogue went from the least played class to the non played class

frosty forge Oct 2, 2025, 2:09 PM

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eager lark I wonder how many rogues will reroll to devourer in midnight

Ah yes the great legion exodus to havoc

faint bough Oct 2, 2025, 2:20 PM

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eager lark I wonder how many rogues will reroll to devourer in midnight

it looks cool but i think the fact that everyone and their mother will be playing it makes me not want to lol

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play havoc to be the cool hipster

rich meadow Oct 2, 2025, 2:44 PM

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https://x.com/nnoggie/status/1740095566049341705?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Nnoggie (@nnoggie)

Unless blizzard completely shuts down addon communication, severely limits the AddOn API and considers automated out of game solutions effectively cheating (and then actioning accounts based on it) private auras are a completely failed solution to computationally solved mechanics

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2 year old post btw 😂

plush dune Oct 2, 2025, 2:58 PM

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blizzard outright admitted private auras were a failed solution themselves so

past rain Oct 2, 2025, 3:48 PM

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o7

glad harness Oct 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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Someone is definitely making a website for that kind of gamba

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(for legal reasons, that was a joke)

past rain Oct 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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garf

ember nest Oct 2, 2025, 5:02 PM

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already made one for sure

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koffing trying to double dip

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you can inject htlm into wow dont ask me how i know+

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to get a browser thingy

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wonder if they broke that one too

sour patrol Oct 2, 2025, 5:12 PM

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I'm struggling to decide what to play for Legion Remix

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critcake

faint bough Oct 2, 2025, 5:29 PM

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sour patrol I'm struggling to decide what to play for Legion Remix

play whatever spec you currently like the most before it gets taken out back in midnight

celest hawk Oct 2, 2025, 7:16 PM

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gonna play lock because afflock looks like a banger

jaunty valve Oct 2, 2025, 7:31 PM

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Will stat scaling get out of control again? May be good to make a speedy DH

worldly forge Oct 2, 2025, 7:54 PM

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!atro

ionic forumBOT Oct 2, 2025, 7:54 PM

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Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

worldly forge Oct 2, 2025, 7:55 PM

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!feint

ionic forumBOT Oct 2, 2025, 7:55 PM

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Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

worldly forge Oct 2, 2025, 7:55 PM

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Wait what was the command for the Ninjarobot thing

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!def

ionic forumBOT Oct 2, 2025, 7:57 PM

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Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

worldly forge Oct 2, 2025, 7:57 PM

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found it np

woeful skiff Oct 2, 2025, 8:05 PM

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does anyone know if shaman discord got deleted? 😮

mellow pilot Oct 2, 2025, 8:09 PM

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It's there

iron belfry Oct 2, 2025, 8:31 PM

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is anyone streaming rogue alpha? ionsadhours

ember nest Oct 2, 2025, 8:48 PM

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scarysai is

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look at the channel

sweet haven Oct 2, 2025, 9:33 PM

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these keybinds are giving me lumbago

tepid roost Oct 2, 2025, 9:40 PM

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hello is there a way for rogues to free themselves from roots?

gentle vortex Oct 2, 2025, 9:41 PM

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vanish

rare solar Oct 2, 2025, 9:45 PM

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tepid roost hello is there a way for rogues to free themselves from roots?

Be gnome

stuck shadow Oct 2, 2025, 10:54 PM

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Anyone noticed that Sanguine Blade some some stupid amounts of damage on some rares in Karesh? I've noticed the same on some Spells like Chaos Bolt on my warlock as well.

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Anyone know what's up with that?

ember nest Oct 2, 2025, 11:02 PM

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they have sanguine blade phobia

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so they take extra damage

rancid hazel Oct 2, 2025, 11:28 PM

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does anyone know how the scaling of the housing are will be like
it already huge from the tutorial one but what if u got a bigger guild

faint bough Oct 2, 2025, 11:41 PM

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rancid hazel does anyone know how the scaling of the housing are will be like it already huge...

i think they said that it would scale based on guild size in the announcement vid iirc

rancid hazel Oct 2, 2025, 11:42 PM

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faint bough i think they said that it would scale based on guild size in the announcement vi...

yea theyd said it scales just wondering how im in the map and i see about 50+ houses wondering if like the zone itself gets bigger or like they just plot moure houses

shrewd widget Oct 3, 2025, 12:31 AM

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On fractillus do you still break the wall if you shadowstep mid-air?

swift pike Oct 3, 2025, 12:32 AM

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Rogue looking interesting for midnight alpha or has Blizz still forgotten about the class?

oak tartan Oct 3, 2025, 12:32 AM

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Looking grim

swift pike Oct 3, 2025, 12:33 AM

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We need a miracle, like when Gandalf arrived at helms deep when all hope was almost lost

hearty fog Oct 3, 2025, 1:43 AM

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shrewd widget On fractillus do you still break the wall if you shadowstep mid-air?

no but you need to step after you get knocked

ember nest Oct 3, 2025, 6:18 AM

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you still break the wall but as he said you need to step after the cast finishes

half prism Oct 3, 2025, 8:36 AM

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S1 ROGUE TIERS SET IS ....... Ugly as F

neon glen Oct 3, 2025, 8:42 AM

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it's ok but the red and black versions are a bit too similar

balmy fog Oct 3, 2025, 4:07 PM

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https://www.patreon.com/posts/weakauras-x-140349416?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

Patreon

WeakAuras x The Addon Apocalypse | Team WeakAuras

Get more from Team WeakAuras on Patreon

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-and-crying-cat-crying-and-eating-cat-cry-eat-gif-10879304557396446185

Tenor

tawdry pollen Oct 3, 2025, 4:16 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

Tenor

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My sub^

balmy fog Oct 3, 2025, 4:21 PM

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they killed the main character

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:20 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-weakauras-addon-for-midnight-378740?utm_source=discord-webhook

this will kill the game

Wowhead

No WeakAuras Addon for Midnight

Weakauras has announced that they are not expecting to release a WeakAuras version for Midnight. RIP WeakAuras.

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:22 PM

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No it won't

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The vast, vast majority of people do not use Weakauras

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:22 PM

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and the vast, vast majority of the top end do

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so 'kill the game' is a personal thing

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for me and my friend group

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i dont care about the dude farming mounts from 15 years ago

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has 0 impact

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:23 PM

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Damn, rip to you I guess

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:23 PM

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also I suspect that the majority of token buyers are top end players too

static epoch Oct 3, 2025, 6:23 PM

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it is indeed a risky move
don't think it'll kill the game, but it can shoot the game in the foot if the tracker turns out to be subpar

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:23 PM

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I don't think it matters since the fundamental nature of the game is changing. Like, you wouldn't be using WA's in content anyway.

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:23 PM

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If i can't use weakauras and there isnt a VERY very good alternative day1, I will prob use it as the spring board to finally go elsewhere tbh

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you would?

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WAs are needed for rotation/tracking etc

static epoch Oct 3, 2025, 6:24 PM

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WAs are used for very basic things for most of their users

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you track debuffs and buffs with them

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like not even external shit, just your own stuff

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:24 PM

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WAs are even needed for like.. hiding ui elements when you go into pet battles

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:25 PM

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The only WA's I use was my custom made class stuff that i'll swap out for the Blizz ones when they go live.

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:25 PM

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game dies without weakaura for so many people, the most casual people I know in disocrds are outright saying this is bad and they are like.. pet collectors etc

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:25 PM

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It's not going to impact the game at all

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:25 PM

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youre delusional

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if you think it wont lol

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it has 1m+ users

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no RCLoot council either lol with the current changes

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:26 PM

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You should look at the other changes coming in Midnight and why they won't really be needed or useful anymore.

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To say "It's going to kill the game" is such absolute delusional nonsense that's completely out of touch with reality

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:27 PM

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time will tell, when raids cant do MRT or loot council or loot.. watch people moan and leave and slowly die

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i have looked at other changes in midnight, the xpac is barely even an expansion

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its kind of boring lol

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the combat WA can be replaced but that doesnt mean people will like being forced into something when they have been used to a certain WA or 'view' for the last 15 years

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:30 PM

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I don't think anybody is using the same WA for the last 15 years

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:30 PM

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I bet you they are

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:30 PM

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Damn, they must be having a terrible time with such outdated weakauras

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:30 PM

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I can ping someone right now that has been using it for 15 years and has lots of people using it now from the updates of it

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@tight edge when was your first weakaura made again?

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 6:36 PM

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@noble kestrel

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https://x.com/TaliesinEvitel/status/1974135370062450725?s=19

Xaliesin & Evitel (@TaliesinEvitel)

I don't want to alarm anyone but we have curtain physics now

#MidnightAlpha

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:36 PM

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hell yeah

wicked night Oct 3, 2025, 6:41 PM

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mellow pilot https://x.com/TaliesinEvitel/status/1974135370062450725?s=19

that clips into the floor

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the new sets in the store make me laugh, it shows the beard etc in the 'hood'

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 6:58 PM

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We agree that this is starting out excessively broad, and we’re going to make changes to only apply the new logic while there is an active raid encounter or M+ run underway. Our goal will be to make it so that tools that facilitate sharing information before or after combat won’t be impacted.

And we’ll update our Alpha development notes when the above is implemented.```

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:09 PM

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noble kestrel ```Immediately in this first day of testing, we’ve seen feedback on how currentl...

unsure if that changes much

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 7:10 PM

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Yes it does

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Our goal will be to make it so that tools that facilitate sharing information before or after combat won’t be impacted.

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:10 PM

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yes

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 7:10 PM

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So most of the complaints are not moot. Loot council addons will work, pull / break timers, etc.

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:11 PM

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was that something people ended up concerned about

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 7:11 PM

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Yeah

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:11 PM

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it always sounded like out of combat, everything works as usual

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from what was mentioned

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 7:12 PM

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Nah, they were initially blocking eveything in instances 'cos they're starting as restrictive a sposible and teasing it back

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But within a day we're already seeing them responding well, and adjusting to support the biggest concerns. Which is good

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:12 PM

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i was not concerned to lose loot council

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tbh

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 7:13 PM

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Same

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I was mildly annoyed to lose timer functionality so that's good. And losing RP addons in instances means I can't read funny profiles which is awful

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But ultimately, to me, it's all very minor.

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:13 PM

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so i would say its a fairly minor concern

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not the biggest

candid rapids Oct 3, 2025, 7:13 PM

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Where are the rogue youtubers explaining while they play? I want to see rogue Midnight alpha gameplay 🙁

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:14 PM

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candid rapids Where are the rogue youtubers explaining while they play? I want to see rogue Mi...

rotations on alpha seem fairly lets say

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simple

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and there is only level content currently

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so not much to "watch"

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unless you are into leveling content

candid rapids Oct 3, 2025, 7:15 PM

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So has rogue been hit with the pruning ?

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:16 PM

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first impression for the 3 specs:

Assassiantion: Simpler but overall good changes
Outlaw: Good changes, hard to predict complexity
Subtlety: Extremely bad, but also incomplete

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tho you might want to ask a long term player for more details on assassiantion/outlaw

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because i mainly play subtlety, and the changes just make wait for the next iteration before judging

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#midnight-assassination
#midnight-outlaw
#midnight-subtlety

candid rapids Oct 3, 2025, 7:17 PM

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Ty a lot for the info!!! I main sub so... sad 🙁

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:17 PM

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are the channels for discussion around these

candid rapids Oct 3, 2025, 7:18 PM

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Hope they fix it then 💀

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:18 PM

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subtlety from current implementation is:

2x dance + cooldowns every 90 sec
afk for 74 sec

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which is not that exciting

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but apex talents are missing and additional hero talents are

upper veldt Oct 3, 2025, 7:19 PM

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tough swallow but apex talents are missing and additional hero talents are

so still hope?

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lmao

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:20 PM

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sure

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i mean there is no reason to doom

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its too early to expect a finished product

upper veldt Oct 3, 2025, 7:20 PM

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true i chill then

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:21 PM

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talents seem functional

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which means things are not broken

noble kestrel Oct 3, 2025, 7:21 PM

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I'm not going to worry until it goes live in a bad state and then I'll just be sad.

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:22 PM

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i mean

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remember that shuriken tornado did not work when it hit pre patch

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the new shuriken tornado rework works on beta

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so thats a HUGE step up

rotund gazelle Oct 3, 2025, 7:38 PM

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I heard most of the classes are losing their defensives in midnight. Is rogue safe in this regard?

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like we still have 2 feint right?

tough swallow Oct 3, 2025, 7:41 PM

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currently looks like we keep ours

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but its the very first version of alpha

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so nothing is set in stone

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 7:42 PM

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wow1 not in my launcher? o.o

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thats where my sub be

fiery coyote Oct 3, 2025, 7:51 PM

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outlaw loses float

shrewd agate Oct 3, 2025, 7:57 PM

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I lost my wow1 account, wtf.

ember nest Oct 3, 2025, 7:58 PM

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rest in peppers

rotund gazelle Oct 3, 2025, 8:00 PM

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what's the abbreviation for Midnight? MN?

neon glen Oct 3, 2025, 8:00 PM

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they are slowly erasing rogue player accounts

rotund gazelle Oct 3, 2025, 8:01 PM

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1 word expansion...

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 8:02 PM

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neon glen they are slowly erasing rogue player accounts

finally

iron belfry Oct 3, 2025, 8:05 PM

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rotund gazelle what's the abbreviation for Midnight? MN?

Mid for sure.

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you heard it here first

livid viper Oct 3, 2025, 8:10 PM

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Hey Team , is the outlaw enjoyable?

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 8:16 PM

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No

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I don't enjoy it

alpine bridge Oct 3, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Yo guys, general question, first time it happens to me :
Basically i can't log into Retail WoW, i have 3 accounts, the only 1 that is active is hidden from the bar after i choose WOW.
I can log into Classic tho.

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Anyone knows what should i do, by any chance?

fringe umbra Oct 3, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Wait for blizzard to fix their servers

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Or launch wow without the battlenet launcher

alpine bridge Oct 3, 2025, 8:30 PM

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Oh so i'm not the only one? Is there smth going on atm?

meager totem Oct 3, 2025, 8:30 PM

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yeah

alpine bridge Oct 3, 2025, 8:31 PM

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Oh i see, wasn't aware of it. Thanks.
Do we know how much time is it gonna take? I checked Wowhead as well, did not find anything related to the issue.

meager totem Oct 3, 2025, 8:32 PM

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it started like an hour ago

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but like Eleem said if you try launching without bnet you might be able to get in

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but doesnt seem to work for everyone

alpine bridge Oct 3, 2025, 8:32 PM

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I see, thanks.

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They changing lots of stuff for Midnight.

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Nice to see it.
Now, all depends how the game is gonna feel.

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 8:42 PM

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alpine bridge Yo guys, general question, first time it happens to me : Basically i can't log ...

#midnight-assassination message

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i just had the same issue

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and got mine to work

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 8:43 PM

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k whoever kicked the cord out of wow one should plug it back in now tyvm

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 8:43 PM

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you also cant loggin?

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 8:43 PM

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yeah my account has been afk for about an hour

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 8:43 PM

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read up

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theres a workaround

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 8:45 PM

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lol wut

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almost doxxed myself there

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its asking me for a generated auth code when i launch without bnet

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 8:47 PM

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yeah

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thats normal

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 8:47 PM

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gyattdammit I dont know where i stored those

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 8:47 PM

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in your bnet app

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your phone

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 8:47 PM

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ohhh

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hell yeah dat werked

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 8:51 PM

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letz goo

chrome yarrow Oct 3, 2025, 9:04 PM

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does anyone knows if i buy the platinum suscription for warcraftlogs for myself, does my whole guild benefits of the multilog analysis or only me?

fringe umbra Oct 3, 2025, 9:13 PM

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I think the whole guild can use it

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But probably better to ask in the warcraftlog discord

ripe meteor Oct 3, 2025, 9:25 PM

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Ummm, my wow account is no longer avaiable for retail.. Anyone know why? it just shows starter editions

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 9:26 PM

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lots of people having that issue, launching WoW from the .exe instead of the bnet launcher worked for me

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 9:26 PM

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ripe meteor Ummm, my wow account is no longer avaiable for retail.. Anyone know why? it just...

and if it asks you for authentication, go to bnet app on your phone

ripe meteor Oct 3, 2025, 9:27 PM

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mellow pilot and if it asks you for authentication, go to bnet app on your phone

Nothing like that all. My entire account is gone

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 9:27 PM

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do what lardoran just said

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many of us had the same issue

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open from here

ripe meteor Oct 3, 2025, 9:28 PM

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thats wild

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ty!

tiny forge Oct 3, 2025, 9:29 PM

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somebody kicked out the cord for WoW1 and then went to lunch

ripe meteor Oct 3, 2025, 9:30 PM

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authethicator won't work either lol

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 9:31 PM

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try again maybe, it insta worked for me

ripe meteor Oct 3, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Okay it worked now!
Beyond strange lol
Thank you for the help!

mellow pilot Oct 3, 2025, 9:32 PM

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♥

strange jetty Oct 4, 2025, 3:34 AM

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Midnight would be out around March next year?

sharp nest Oct 4, 2025, 4:34 AM

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First rumors were for Feb 26th

noble kestrel Oct 4, 2025, 6:29 AM

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I think timeways ends on the 10th of Feb, so I imagine end of Feb / early march

strange jetty Oct 4, 2025, 10:16 AM

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tough swallow because i mainly play subtlety, and the changes just make wait for the next iter...

Do outlaw still need to vanish?

zealous halo Oct 4, 2025, 10:20 AM

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no

eternal star Oct 4, 2025, 11:34 AM

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Man

bitter thunder Oct 4, 2025, 11:41 AM

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Brutal

oak tartan Oct 4, 2025, 11:44 AM

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Their complaints hit deaf ears kekw

scenic flame Oct 4, 2025, 2:57 PM

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How you guys feel about the rogue changes teased for midnight?

mellow pilot Oct 4, 2025, 2:58 PM

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#midnight-assassination
#midnight-outlaw
#midnight-subtlety

rich meadow Oct 4, 2025, 4:19 PM

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eternal star

blizz just violated the federal handicapped act/law or something most def

glad harness Oct 4, 2025, 4:20 PM

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WeirdFer

tough swallow Oct 4, 2025, 7:44 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F15uxnxlt54tf1.jpeg

https://i.redd.it/15uxnxlt54tf1.jpeg

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reddit is onto it

celest hawk Oct 4, 2025, 7:44 PM

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https://x.com/BigWigsWoW/status/1974525402396971428

BigWigs (@BigWigsWoW)

In Midnight, we plan to have our own customizable timeline, and you can choose between that or bars.

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i need bars bro, timeline doesn't compute for me

smoky root Oct 4, 2025, 7:48 PM

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maybe we can configure it

rare solar Oct 4, 2025, 7:50 PM

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celest hawk i need bars bro, timeline doesn't compute for me

celest hawk Oct 4, 2025, 7:51 PM

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yeah i know, but they said plans garf i'm not sure it's possible with the current state of it

ember nest Oct 4, 2025, 8:05 PM

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my man will delete the bars from the config file then complain THERE AER NO BARS THO

woeful geyser Oct 4, 2025, 8:11 PM

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tough swallow https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F15uxnxlt54tf1.jpeg

i mean

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it just shows how dumb the average reddit uuser is once again

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lol

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like, if they think "somewhat less buttons = CONSOLE OMG", idk what too say lol

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ff14 has so much more abilitys then wow that you regulary use, and its playable on a controller since day1

because the ammount of buttons is just not what matters there

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and what console even, microsoft is openly saying that xbox is slowly going into the backburner OMEGAKEKW

tough swallow Oct 4, 2025, 8:17 PM

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possible, i don't count it out yet

ember nest Oct 4, 2025, 8:18 PM

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hmm likely they are negotiating hard for a while

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console ports/things take lots of corpa

noble kestrel Oct 4, 2025, 9:25 PM

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WoW isn't going to be on consoles ever, imo. If for no other reason than cert on hotfixes, patching, etc would be a complete and utter nightmare for them.

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They'd have to change their entire structure in how they push stuff. Either you have two forks of WoW, one for consoles and one for pc.. Or you say goodbye to the way WoW is hotfixed / patched right now.

celest hawk Oct 4, 2025, 10:02 PM

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this is gonna go hard

hard current Oct 4, 2025, 10:05 PM

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+10 chill alt run no console players no rogues no bm monk +720 only have feast have 4k minimum rating have custom blizzaura bring brain and exp

rare solar Oct 4, 2025, 10:06 PM

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u forgot no gnomes no vulpera no mechagnomes

plush dune Oct 4, 2025, 10:09 PM

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vulpera only

gentle cloak Oct 4, 2025, 11:30 PM

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Items off

floral veldt Oct 5, 2025, 4:03 AM

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how does legion remix work in terms of characters, do i have to make a new one?

rich meadow Oct 5, 2025, 4:15 AM

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floral veldt how does legion remix work in terms of characters, do i have to make a new one?

yup. then do some intro quest which u can then skip on alts. and then level up to max level and smash dungeons and raids from there

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you can xfer ur character off remix whenever too

floral veldt Oct 5, 2025, 4:15 AM

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hmm, i really want the sargerei mog thing

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to toss up playing a unfamiliar character or play a rogue

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i presume it's the iterations of the specs back then?

mild wasp Oct 5, 2025, 4:17 AM

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no, modern spec design

floral veldt Oct 5, 2025, 4:17 AM

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oh really?

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good to know that sin wont be complete ass

mild wasp Oct 5, 2025, 4:25 AM

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yeah

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the gimmick is that everyone gets to play like, their spec on live but turned up to 11

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bunch of stats, bunch of unique op effects, deliberately kinda undertuned content

floral veldt Oct 5, 2025, 4:56 AM

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i wonder if deathstalker works with the artifact weapon in terms of buffs

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2 min cd specs feel real strong

trail aurora Oct 5, 2025, 8:08 AM

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The Remix modes feel like playing WoW but tuned like Diablo

noble kestrel Oct 5, 2025, 8:10 AM

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Yeah it rules

brisk sapphire Oct 5, 2025, 9:58 AM

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mild wasp no, modern spec design

Wait it’s not legion class design

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?

mellow pilot Oct 5, 2025, 10:00 AM

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nop

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just like mop remix

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you do get extra stuff with the weapons

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level up nods kinda like we had in legion

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why getting one when i could get two

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left crow Oct 5, 2025, 10:15 AM

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That's a yo mama joke just waiting to happen

oak tartan Oct 5, 2025, 11:04 AM

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One mount for each foot, skating like a pro

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On mammoths

swift pike Oct 5, 2025, 12:05 PM

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Is rogue back on the menu in midnight?

warm pagoda Oct 5, 2025, 12:07 PM

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We were never off the menu

warm glacier Oct 5, 2025, 12:43 PM

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!fuu

ionic forumBOT Oct 5, 2025, 12:43 PM

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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

stable latch Oct 5, 2025, 12:59 PM

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celest hawk this is gonna go hard

How will you prove that you are not a console player?