wow-general

[late patrol]

Then it's not a racial issue, it's a balance issue

[mellow pilot]

Dwarf, nelf, brown orc

[late patrol]

What is the point of having races

If they are all the same

That is ridiculous

[mellow pilot]

Looks?

[late patrol]

Are you playing The Sims?

[mellow pilot]

Idk what that is

[rare solar]

I mean if they wanna make the racials combat relevant they need to be freely assignable. Or just remove em so there's no weird shit with em anymore, same with the improved crit or flat percent stat racials

[mellow pilot]

But I enjoy looking at my character

[late patrol]

I mean I'm fine with there not being weird shit with them, or making them more QoL world things

[rare solar]

Remove em so there's no 'guys what race is BiS for this spec' anymore

Insane question anyways

[late patrol]

There are balance issues and these need to be solved

But the solution isn't to make the game worse

[mellow pilot]

That's the issue

Some races have like good qol stuff like humans having 2 hearthstones

[late patrol]

I would even be fine with racials being restricted to not working inside dungeons/raids

[mellow pilot]

Then you have dwarfs who literally have 1 more defensive

[rare solar]

Actually better idea, move all the best racials to the most disliked races
Only good racials on mechagnome, panda, dragon and whatever else no one wants to play

[late patrol]

That's a design/balance issue

And power creep

[mellow pilot]

Game is 20 yo

[late patrol]

Yes

[mellow pilot]

It won't change

[late patrol]

And that's the source of many of these issues

They refuse to change old content because of cata

[rare solar]

This shouldve been either a guild passive or just a straight upgrade for everyone tbh

[late patrol]

After the War Within trilogy thing they should do a pass on old zones and content gradually, and expand the game horizontally instead of vertically

They already are doing that with Quel'Thalas

The new player experience is horrid

[mellow pilot]

This isn't guild wars 2

[late patrol]

And exile's reach doesn't solve anything

[mellow pilot]

They can't pull it off

[mellow pilot]

I've heard mixed opinions on that

[late patrol]

You have a tiny tutorial with a non-existent story, where they blast through the basics, and then you're thrown into Dragonflight, and expected to go back to old content through lorewalking

And the moment you step in people are already calling you champion

It feels really strange

I'm not even a classic Andy but classic unironically eases you in better

[inland gale]

They’re changing it in midnight

[late patrol]

Interesting, did they explain how they're gonna do it?

[rare solar]

Idk ask grok

[late patrol]

Also I know this isn't the same Blizzard from a decade ago but wdym, they are still a massive company

And Microsoft money

[mellow pilot]

[late patrol]

Surely they have people who care about the game and even if they don't

Isn't getting new players into the game priority?

[mellow pilot]

No

[late patrol]

How are you gonna make money

[mellow pilot]

Making money is

[late patrol]

Microtransactions yea

[mellow pilot]

In game cosmetics

[late patrol]

and the subscriptions

[mellow pilot]

Mounts

Etc

[late patrol]

But if you more players you have more people buying shit

Turtle wow is getting sued because it was poaching players from blizzard with a private server

And selling shit there

It can't be that hard

[rare solar]

Idk try it man

You'll see how it easy it is

[devout laurel]

It's getting sued because Blizzard has always cracked down on private servers to protect their IP. It has nothing to do with "poaching players"

[late patrol]

That's incorrect

[rare solar]

Have u read the lawsuit

[late patrol]

Blizzard pretty much only cracks down on private servers this badly when they have gotten somewhat popular

E.g. nostalrius and this

They are throwing the book at them because they were putting up ads

bragging about player numbers

with RICO violations

selling stuff for real life money

conspiring with gold sellers in game

and a bunch of other shit

Plus Blizzard has pretty much stated that they are working on Classic+ so they are stepping on a market Blizzard wants

with their own IP

[mild wasp]

turtlewow is getting sued for being a brand risk secretly run by a notorious scammer, what are you talking about

[rain crystal]

i am a very old player

do heirlooms not work?

for bigger xp gains I mean

[hearty fog]

no they changed how heirlooms work

they dont give bonus xp anymore

[static epoch]

only worthwhile heirlooms rn are weapons/shields

so that you can go through dungeons without losing damage/aggro as much

[rain crystal]

Dang

Thanks

[unreal gulch]

kinda late but ngl, WoW does new player experiences better than most older mmorpgs

even if it isnt as good as it could be

[upper veldt]

new player experience in wow is better than it ever was but sure its so horrible and retail is shit/dead and whos even playin wow in 2025

[amber sparrow]

[thin roost]

What spec are you guys playing in 10 keys for the max DPS? I know it’s all about whatever you like/play better but I just am looking for someone to let me know what’s working well for them and why.

[hearty fog]

[amber sparrow]

Assassin because that’s what I play

And I suck at sub and outlaw

[hearty fog]

sub because it's what i like and play better

it works well for me because i play better at it

hope this helps

[thin roost]

Thanks.
I am tempted to try swapping to outlaw for a bit dude to my trinkets and as I pug I mostly don’t get great resets and big pulls around cds… I saw this and it made me think bout trying outlaw for a bit

War Within Outlaw looks like one of the highest single target specs in the game that have to sacrifice very little to gain access to a huge AoE increase. While Assassination and Subtlety Rogue can deal colossal damage when you specifically route the dungeons to accommodate its cooldown cycles, the ability for Outlaw Rogue to plug and play into any comp is a huge boon, especially when doing weekly keys. Overall, while other specs might overtake Outlaw regarding the ideal push comps, the spec should be insanely strong for most of the player base.

[mellow pilot]

It's 10s, it doesn't matter and players usually go with what they enjoy

[proper sail]

Outlaw has a pretty high ceiling

But can be quite frustrating if you mess up

If you drop ar and have to farm cdr for a while with lame buffs, you're in hell

[robust nacelle]

yeah outlaw should watch out for that ceiling might bump a head somewhere

[proper sail]

[robust nacelle]

[proper sail]

Nah, I feel like it has a larger gap between being really good and being (below) average than sub and definitely sin

If you watch someone like zac play outlaw it's like watching someone playing a different game

Don't really feel that way with sub or sin

[robust nacelle]

rly now,are u giving me examples like that?

Idk if u ever seen good or exceptional sub rogues performing in this game

there is no spec

in the entire game than sub rogue in terms of skill expression,for everything

period

but if u want my personal opinion,outlaw is physically exhausting,u get carpal tunnel by the high apms,sub has to plan ahead and execute perfectly,its very punishing,thus harder

[woeful geyser]

its insane how this entire situation shows how little the average person nows about copyright stuff lmao

like, if you dont shut down stuff like that, you literally can lose your IP

you MUST shut major IP breaches down

[formal fulcrum]

I’d also say outlaw skill ceiling is higher. Sub is more scripted

Watching Zac play outlaw is somethin else

[formal fulcrum]

Nice thing about sub is that you CAN plan ahead

[robust nacelle]

the problem is that u need to plan ahead in such a way to utilize the full window,under any possible setbacks and u cant rly make mistakes

thats why it is harder

[faint bough]

sub is more knowledge based around packs, how long they live, when to send when to hold, optimizing gameplan plus perfect cd windows
outlaw is more perfect micro decisions every 0.8s of when to build, spend based on your buffs and if you mess up even a lil it all falls apart

different ideas of hard so i dont think there is an objectively harder spec, i think outlaws skill floor is much higher than sub tho

[tough swallow]

Subtlety is harder because:

• Its punishing with lower options to recover.
• Cooldown management is different to the typical wow spec.
• It has a lot of unintuitive talents and layered spells, so it requires proportional to other specs, higher amounts of understanding of dependencies.

Outlaw is hard because:

• It has higher than typical apm (~80-90 apm).
• It has a low gcd, means you only have a small amount of time to adjust your rotation.
• RtB has a lot of small rules for rerolling, but realistically you can just use a wa for it.

[iron belfry]

tbh after playing rogue for so long i tried many alts and all of them are simple and make me bored

[robust nacelle]

outlaw has a certain flow,its not as unforgiving as sub is.It has no window to ''exhale''.Its a constant pump.Sub has to plan ahead ALWAYS and evaluate and the biggest problem is that small disturbances or situational factors can ruin it.You need to be perfect to just make it function.Having played all 3 specs as an old rogue can safely state that no,there is a higher risk of failing while playing sub than outlaw,in fact,outlaw isnt even close in falling apart as sub is

Actually ive been playing mage alot lately,every says firemage is hard,im just laughing when i read such nonsense

there is no spec harder than sub

period

infinite potential,the better the user is the better the spec gets and it also has higher standards

thats why we can see bozos jumping around sin and outlaw but never touch sub

[stone flare]

about leveling which sub is the best? newbie no item

[rotund patrol]

the one you will play in late game

leveling is basically tutorial

[glossy flicker]

outlaw skill ceiling is higher

sub floor is probably a bit higher

[humble parcel]

should i get dwarf or night elf for alliance rogue

[rare solar]

NElf for skips, dwarf for dmg, in the end it doesnt matter unless you're super high level at which point you wouldnt be asking

[jaunty valve]

I see several rogues on top 50 guilds are void elf. Is the portal utility that good or is the shadow damage that cranked?

[rare solar]

they look good

[jaunty valve]

Or for mog discount?

[dawn zenith]

Hello rogues tank main here just a quick question how much of an impact is it on your dps to be able to restealth in keys. I feel it's a huge time loss to wait until like 2 mobs at 20% left in a pack die instead of pulling into them into another pack of 8+ mobs

[rare solar]

GOOD chain pulling is always better

ie dragging as many non dangerous mobs as possible

[dawn zenith]

I don't run Into rogues often but when I do it's cry city my pulls generally never end until there's a boss when a key caster dies more gets pulled

Depending how many interrupts are in each group and if the group can handle it

[mellow pilot]

TLDR re stealths FEEL good but good chainpulling DOES better

this is why our restealths feel good

(talking about assassination)

[dawn zenith]

Ya i figured I had a rogue guildy pay to be a nightelf for shadowmeld but 2 of our other tanks wouldn't stop to let him restealth so he just rerolled dk lol

[rare solar]

i think for sub relatively frequent combat drops are good with the longer shadow dance talent right

[dawn zenith]

Ah so alot of initial dots that do more dmg

Can you snapshot those dots for the duration of every pull?

[mellow pilot]

easier to spread dots for assa rogues yeah

[dawn zenith]

Do they keep the dmg bonus if applied for the whole combat

[mellow pilot]

negative

[rare solar]

it's more the rupture spreading than the inc DoT dmg

[mellow pilot]

only those casts after stealth

[dawn zenith]

So it's just a burst of dmg at first application

Ah ok

And 2 charges of vanish ya

[mellow pilot]

yes

[dawn zenith]

And shadowmeld if they ne

[mellow pilot]

Most rogues use the vanish charges to help with Reapplying AoE bleeds

Sub barely needs stealth

no idea about outlaw

[dawn zenith]

Ya ofc it's basic rotation I play ne feral as well and shadowmeld is part of the rotation

I played sub in shadowlands

[mellow pilot]

shadowmeld works differently for druids than for rogues

[dawn zenith]

Outlaw I heard it's somthing a out AR

[rare solar]

outlaw def doesnt need it

[mellow pilot]

you can shadowmeld into X ability with the stealth bonus correct?

[dawn zenith]

About

[rare solar]

it's more about having constant dmg uptime, having downtime out of stealth sucks

[mellow pilot]

rogues need to meld -> stealth and most of the times this doesnt work

[dawn zenith]

It's just dmg bonus like 60% dmg bonus for feral rip I think

Ah

Won't work in boss fights then

[mellow pilot]

no

[dawn zenith]

Only trash

[mellow pilot]

only trash

yeah

[dawn zenith]

Do ppl generally play that spec for raiding

[mellow pilot]

and most of the times we press shadowmeld and before pressing stealth we're already hit by an AoE or something put us in combat

so we cant actually stealth

[dawn zenith]

If you can't restealth in boss fights

[mellow pilot]

we dont need to

its only good for AoE basically

[dawn zenith]

Ah aoe garrot

Kk

[mellow pilot]

AoE garrotes and ruptures

its like pressing trash but 3 mobs at a time

thrash*

[dawn zenith]

Needs a rework feral has an aoe bleed ability

[mellow pilot]

i know

and its awesome

[dawn zenith]

Seems a simple fix

Well cheers I guess I'll just tell the rogue to git gud and play sub

[mellow pilot]

We used to have IC (indiscriminate carnage, the talent i linked above) be a skill

[dawn zenith]

Rogue discord said so

[mellow pilot]

that would apply to 7 targets

in a 1 min cd

[dawn zenith]

Blizz likes to break things I miss my slappy hands on my blood dk

[mellow pilot]

real

[mellow pilot]

he can also tag along and join us and talk with the homies here

Again, i'll be honest, re's FEEL good and HELP setting up the dmg

[dawn zenith]

Trouble is balancing pvp and pve if you could restealth for not hitting anything in 4 secs or somthing would fix it

Very helpful ty class discord are usally extremely helpful or egotistical we don't talk about the mage discord

[mellow pilot]

so we've heard

[prime torrent]

seen someone on the forum complaining about assa bugs just need to come to the good side with sub lol

[rare solar]

cause sub is historically bug free right

[prime torrent]

no but even with bugs we still doing insane dps

we all a bugy class er share the pain

[mellow pilot]

Assa is also doing really good dmg

[woeful geyser]

where is this "assa is unplayable because of bugs" even come from

like srsly

[left crow]

how many charges does a potion cauldron have? says 80 ingame on the recipe, I read 40 on the internet?

[warm pagoda]

Potion is 80, flask is 40

[left crow]

thx. how many charges can a single player take?

[warm pagoda]

Tryan - 2025

Why would you say this?

https://tenor.com/view/deer-gif-22652112

[meager totem]

4 charges of 5 pots each

[left crow]

we're always fewer than 20 players

[tough swallow]

wait, the assassiantion channel is not shut down already?

[clear vector]

14 streets
Tank dies with so tricky up
Pop evasion to survive
Tank releases
All the mobs make a beeline for the tank spawn half way across the map, dragging every single mob along the way

This was the first time I saw this and it's so hillarious lmfao

[warm pagoda]

They had it out for him

[clear vector]

It was absolutely hillarious

Entire dungeon marching from the postmaster boss to the spawn

[rare solar]

it's really funny in ara kara

cause they get spawn camped by teleporting mobs

[clear vector]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-8086630669522815021

I'm just imagining the horror

[rare solar]

first time i tried trickster in S1 that happened

very fun

we died before 2nd boss somewhere and our tank got repeatedly killed by random mobs teleporting to him and then resetting

[forest vapor]

whats better in m+ rn sin or sub

[rare solar]

whatever u can play better

[prime torrent]

whatever is more fun to you bc what is fun you will be willing to learn more

[last wadi]

are you guys changed your spell que windows?

[meager totem]

alot of people use between 50-200 I think

I dont even remember what the default number is anymore

[last wadi]

its 400 i guess

[twin heart]

is Sub still better than assassination this tier?

[mellow pilot]

no

It depends on the bosses if you're min maxing

[oak tartan]

Current is 400 but in the past when it was called something lag something it was 250

[dusky shore]

!macro

[robust nacelle]

🤣

just went back to your bug spreasheet for sub

its quite a few

i propose we shut down both channels

[storm surge]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[candid thistle]

What’s this spell queue window you premiums are talking about? Enlighten the plebs please!

[dusky badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ4gVn2W8v8

[surreal agate]

no shot we're making click bait videos about sqw

easy guide to sqw:
Do you mash?

• Yes: 250 sqw
• No: 400 sqw

[dusky badge]

When you say it, I cannot deny "Why your DPS sucks" is indeed a bit clickbaity

But if you know Quazii and his youtube channel you cannot rly blame him of being click bait IMO

[normal sonnet]

i find 300 is nice too.

[surreal agate]

yeah it's legit just any numbers that work

[normal sonnet]

yea

[surreal agate]

I play 400 bc no mashing

But like if someone mashes I won't spite them playing 200

[normal sonnet]

i mash, i game.

[surreal agate]

I just hate all the dogshit takes people have on sqw who don't understand it properly

[normal sonnet]

and normally im like 250, but when i join a oceanic server group its like F so i need to make it 300

yea

needs more awareness xD

[surreal agate]

I play on oce so thankfully I don't have issues with oce groups

[normal sonnet]

but vice versa?

[surreal agate]

yeah but I hate Americans so it's not an issue

(I play outlaw, the spec feels so dogshit on high ping that i just don't play na groups anymore)

[normal sonnet]

thats fair

[blazing sable]

is ls:glass better for fps gain compared to normal chat or it doesn't matter?

[tough swallow]

or just set it to ~200-250 and be fine

people overthink spell queue

[fiery coyote]

My favorite thing to talk about

[surreal agate]

I'm going to start linking people who ask about spellqueue videos on how to spell "queue"

[glad harness]

Just push buttons innit bruv

[candid thistle]

Yes please!

[candid thistle]

https://youtu.be/YIbifKlVP-I?feature=shared 👈 the one to watch?

[surreal agate]

I was thinking more like
https://youtu.be/rUNgLFgwUrI?si=ugkN2Lyk_PwyjLdm

[small wing]

How to disable the event spam? it just started spamming.

[surreal void]

when did it start happening? did you install any addons or weakauras recently

update all of them m see if it still happens

sounds like a threat tracker or something idk

[tulip wraith]

whats the most beginner friendly rogue spec for keys?

[candid thistle]

Wow, this got me hard for the full 19.

[candid thistle]

Ret paladin, or BM hunter. All three rogue specs give you high blood pressure, cholesterol or noose bleeds.

[faint bough]

Assa

[edgy nimbus]

so there's no way to report someoen for griefing?

dude logged his 3k pally because i didnt invite his shitter dh and decided to hold the whole +2 alt group hostage on a boss by making it 10m+ fight after dragging every possible trash pack on purpose

smh

[glad harness]

Whats there to lose? Just remake the group, its not like your +2 can get any lower.

[edgy nimbus]

no i mean

you cant leave the instance

in combat

[glad harness]

[edgy nimbus]

i mean you can but you can't leave the instance

if you are in combat with boss in m+

[mellow pilot]

cant you /abandon?

[edgy nimbus]

so you'll never be able to release spirit unless combat ends lmao

[mellow pilot]

you can legit make everyone leave right

[edgy nimbus]

i didnt try that tbh

or well i tried earlier and the team wanted to continue idfk

[upper veldt]

watch netflix or do smth else til fights over

[edgy nimbus]

i was lmao the fight could've gone on forver tbh

[plush dune]

report for terrorism

[edgy nimbus]

done

[real drum]

got a new idea for guild application, I will ask people to link some of their silksong boss fight

[leaden parcel]

What's a good focus kick macro? Is there a version where you can click once to set the focus, and then the following clicks casts kick?
Edit: this worked

#showtooltip Kick
/focus [mod:alt]
/cast [mod:ctrl,@focus,harm,nodead][mod:ctrl,harm,nodead][] Kick

[late patrol]

Playing through the hallowfall campaign

Faerin is insufferable

[mellow pilot]

She is not a bad character

There are far worse

[late patrol]

There are so many weird quests in these new storylines, the story feels very strange

I can feel the writers patting themselves on the back and convincing themselves they are a good person vicariously through the characters

There are objectives like "talk to these people and comfort them"

I've seen like 2-3 quests (not only in this zone) that allude to some kind of propaganda, or other things that feel very modern, and it feels like someone from reddit wrote it

[deep hollow]

Yeah

[wary knoll]

Do you think maybe you have a world view that is making you see fairly innocuous things as 'propaganda' like what does that even mean, because someone is good? Lol

[deep hollow]

We had preamble i guess, but it felt like we just randomly fight dimensius

Omega big bad is there there in mana forge ig

[hearty fog]

suddenly dimensius has returned

[late patrol]

I don't mean it alludes to propaganda, I worded that incorrectly, I mean alludes to the concept of propaganda

I think there have been multiple quests were you are taking down posters (posters with the item literally named propaganda) of some faction spreading lies about the protagonists or their factions

Or that one earthen leader who is clearly and blatantly lying and an obvious allegory

[wary knoll]

I think it's more interesting writing than it has been since WOTLK, the weaknesses being Xalatath but I feel it's just to push the raids at the time

[late patrol]

I feel like there are definitely interesting ideas, but their potential is squandared? As always the art team has done an amazing job with how the zones look and there is a lot of great environmental storytelling

I haven't gotten to that part of the campaign but I've heard great things about K'aresh and what they're doing there

But I feel like a lot of characters, like Moira, Dragan, Faerin could have been a lot more if they didn't feel so artificial

They don't feel very human, they don't seem to have flaws, I could say the same about Anduin but Anduin has been always like this, and the idea of him losing confidence in calling upon the light is a flaw and an interesting idea (specially since it echoes some real world trauma)

[hearty fog]

imagine seeing propaganda when having to take down propaganda posters for quests

[late patrol]

I think you misunderstood what I said. What I'm saying is, the writers clearly have very modern themes on their minds when writing the current stuff, which I mean is expected of all writing, everything usually reflects the period it was written in

But it feels rather blatant

[gloomy pendant]

What is way to go, sub or assa (M+ and raids)

[amber sparrow]

play what you like

both are good in different situations

[gloomy pendant]

I don’t like anything I’m meta slave. So I should be switching spec depending on “situations”?

[amber sparrow]

uhh

for m+, top line is that assa does great AOE and sub does great boss damage

so some dungeons better for assa (ones with lots of trash, say floodgate? or HoA?)

others better for sub (e.g. streets, dawnbreaker)

for raid, it depends on the fights

Id look a logs

and see

[gloomy pendant]

Thank you 🙏

[amber sparrow]

better suggestion is to just pick one

they play very differently

[tall surge]

Hello I am wondering How I can get décent fps, upgraded into a 4060 ti, but still got fps drop in floodgate and tazavesh Streets, anyone has a miraculous solution to avoid that

[oak tartan]

Get a 9800x3d and a rtx 5080. I have 144 fps (capped) in dornogal

Uncapped was around 300, screenshots took a few fps

[tall surge]

Haha

What about the new bottom options in graphic settings, shall I unpin it ? Or keep it

Will upgrade cpu in few Times, maybe at christmas 🙂

[wind coyote]

I did a few keys with my DH as dps for once even though I usually tank on it. And wtf.

I wonder why I even bother playing rogue in keys now

the amount of effort vs the result is just ridiculous.

[tall surge]

True, the funnel on dh is ridiculously easy to setup, and assa rogue ones is way longer and not Even better than dh

[iron belfry]

and dh still padding on smallies

[wind coyote]

I've played some outlaw since I finally got gear from it in the last few keys. And I felt like DH dmg and c/c wsa overall just better after doing 2 keys on it, I was comfortable 😐

To get anywhere near on outlaw I'm sweating buckets haha

[mighty hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299068807859404832/1409811208407875664/4EAE3891-BE76-44D7-87E3-ED1751616E29.gif

uhhuh

[wind coyote]

Dunno I find it extremely easy.

Compared to outlaw

in keys at the very least.

Especially since you don't have to play essence break, so that removes the one part of it that needs somewhat good execution for the EB windows.

[glad harness]

Just blade dance

Free 10m dps minimum

[mighty hatch]

why would u play without essb

[glad harness]

Because, you dont?

[mighty hatch]

buffi t

pls

[glad harness]

N

[mighty hatch]

koffing, buff it pls

[ember nest]

ahaha no

[clear vector]

https://tenor.com/view/card-drop-bateman-gif-22839570

mfw doing a hc clear and this other rogue gets the dagger, soul hunter boots and prism in a single run and i'm rolling 30s

Seething boundless rage atm

[ember nest]

be happy for a bro tho

not many of us

[oak tartan]

I don't have any dinar targets left

Maybe mythic forge

[ember nest]

now that i think about

there are no super op shit to dinar this time

like dimensius trink even after everything is quite tame

[rare solar]

I think for casters the weapon+trinket combo is insane

[leaden parcel]

Just hoping 4M will be puggable before we reach the .5 patch

[ember nest]

araz can be quite facerollable

the strat can be hold in pylons then phase him in first burn

you can already 3 heal so

[summer grove]

Have you guys done HM tazavesh ? I didn't try yeat and wanna know how really hard it is

[feral grove]

What spec do u guys think is best for taza hard mode?

[feral grove]

Not that bad honestly just need to know the changes. Be a lil patient and whatnot

[fringe umbra]

Its tuned as a +10, its got some extra mechanics though

[faint bough]

you can change specs for each boss and such

[weary moon]

Just wanted to make sure that there’s a follow up to this, because you didn’t really answer his question

[faint bough]

whichever spec you're best at

[dim hornet]

to add to this, i havent played in year, mained ass rogue, seeing sub is good now though. sub for raid, ass for keys?

[mellow pilot]

No

Both for both

[jovial citrus]

its much easier than a 10

cuz no fort or tyrannical

its just cheesy mechs

[dim hornet]

which are you using for more dmg in raid

[mellow pilot]

I only use one for both

Assassination

[zealous halo]

Sub

[mellow pilot]

"oh but if you played sub on araz or dimensius or nexus king you'd do more damage!!!"
Bitch I can't play sub and I have fun playing assa so I'll play what I have fun with and still top the meters on my heroic runs

[iron belfry]

sub padder spec

[feral grove]

yeah I thought so

[zealous halo]

You could play with your toes and still one shot bosses as sub in hm tbf

[mild wasp]

bro with sub and arcane we almost killed soazmi before first triple technique

[fringe umbra]

Yeah just kill the bosses before they do anything

No tossing packages, no needing to port and kick

[ruby totem]

Boys my guild seems to be only considering current trinket ilvl when giving them out loot. Its a bad system. Do I show up with two heirloom trinkets to next raid and if asked why tell them bc I want loot? (I have gotten 0 items from raid so far while most have 4-5 drops)

Or actually can I find even lower ilvl trinkets than heirlooms

[hearty fog]

you find a new guild

[ruby totem]

I mean thats a consideration for sure

[faint bough]

you wait til progging mythic dimmy then pay foreverguys guild to steal the lockout

[ruby totem]

Maybe I can roll up with ony trinket rings and stuff for guaranteed loot

Need to farm a quick hoj

[hearty fog]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-good-one-godku-its-great-i-enjoyed-it-its-perfect-gif-23963505

[merry crypt]

do you keep old stuff from past expansion as a memento?

I keep all tier set and some stuff

[ruby totem]

Bank gets too full

[heavy comet]

I kept all my corruption items since you can't get them anymore. And all the t2 I won off the bmah

[surreal wind]

I still have a full stack of each of the poisons sitting in my bank

[left crow]

Certainly. Been a while since I actually looked through those items (thx transmog system) but I'm pretty sure I have most tier sets, a lot of weapons and trinkets.

[merry crypt]

that's sick!

[thin ferry]

do i need to feel bad if i'm locked from loot but join a 2-4-14 raid? i'm in a moral
dilemma right now

[merry crypt]

pug?

then no

[thin ferry]

yes

they get one loot piece less right?

[glad harness]

I think the better question is why would you join a raid for bosses you have already done

[merry crypt]

parsing ig

[glad harness]

Couldnt be me

[thin ferry]

yes

did it over and over again last season to get some top 100 logs in in order to have higher chances in joining a mythic pug without thinking about it

[faint bough]

[deep crater]

anyone knows if Soulbinder is the 2nd or 3rd boss (let's say I kill Plexus and Soulbinder, will it also unlock rewards for Loomithar ?) thanks

[meager totem]

it unlocks loomithar

[deep crater]

thx

[thin dock]

yeah, i'm p sure it just goes by journal order

[storm crypt]

will I be able to upgrade a plate item playing as a rogue?

[mellow pilot]

yes

[storm crypt]

ty

[jovial ridge]

I surprisingly keep running out of valor stones. I probably spent too many upgrading champion gear before I got hero (I started the season capped). What's the most efficient way to farm up a bunch of these? Doing M+ is getting me crests faster than valor.

[ruby totem]

Uhhh, did you do all the quests in the new zone?

You get a ton for that

Did you pick up all your rep rewards?

From the old factions?

You can get a few there

[jovial ridge]

Yeah, I did all those. Well, the main storyline, not all the side quests.

[ruby totem]

Side quests prob have a few and are quick

[jovial ridge]

I might have rep rewards from old factions, I haven't checked those in a while.

[ruby totem]

Whenever I play and alt there's a ton of crests and valor there

[jovial ridge]

Thanks, I'll look into both of those tonight. Feels silly to have the hard to get crests and not upgrade gear due to valorstones!

[surreal void]

show up with 2 champion delve trinkets, thats the dumbest crap i have ever heard going based on ilvl.

short on valorstones?!

thats across like 4 toons though

[ruby totem]

Cant deny me a 680 ilvl upgrade

Riiiiiigggght?

[surreal void]

ahahah

[sour patrol]

I'm 680 and the Ret was 692, is the gap that big or am I big sucks?

[ruby totem]

Needs 5% more

Shut down the discord

[mild wasp]

ret has short cds and crazy pad so they steal hella damage from everyone else

if a ret outgears u they just do all the damage in the key

[edgy nimbus]

ret going full aoe spamming divine storm on harmless funnel is a certified classic

[mild wasp]

dude

when u pull the fucking nothing mobs

into 1st boss ecodome

and they start presing storm

i want to kick them from the key bro

[edgy nimbus]

its really a brain problem idk

[woeful geyser]

when there is more then 1 enemy in the visual cone of a ret player, every single keybind gets replaced with divine storm

sorry pal, you wouldnt get it

[edgy nimbus]

same with dks frostscything

i just smh my head

[shut vale]

@lament spindle yo

[lament spindle]

hello

[shut vale]

u wanna hop on fort

[lament spindle]

do what now

[lament spindle]

crank 90s

[shut vale]

yea

lets run it

[shut vale]

moon is crying he needs help with keys

[lament spindle]

oh youre alelerios

sup inter

[shut vale]

u want me

its ok

[lament spindle]

mmmmmmm MMMM

[ruby totem]

I dunno dude I am starting to think wow isnt for me. Moved away from guilds into group finder bc all these stupid circle jerk loot systems where you have to heard how its important that the tank gets 5pc tier and dps trinkets prior to you getting any loot, now that I have less time and am just looking for a 1-2 day group its RC loot council with the most dogshit loot system you have ever heard of in guilds I look at.

[ruby totem]

no you dont understand its crucial that we dont give you any loot ever, we cant clear the raid otherwise.

[hearty fog]

its just shit guilds being shit

not all guilds are like that

[ruby totem]

Man, you say that but

Its either some horrid loot circle jerk or theres a mega clique that you are lever gonna get into

Its been every guild man]

just geting old

[oak tartan]

That's why we had perso loot for a time

[mighty hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[zealous halo]

thats just low guilds

get better at the game and you will get smarter people that dont act like childrens

[amber sparrow]

Or just find a guild run by people with lives

Some good aotc guilds that are aotc because people don’t have time, and they just act like real people

[ruby totem]

I mean i got ce in the past so I don't know if my personal skill plays into the convo or if that was a chance to swing at me but I also found mythic guilds to be full of toxic racists which is a large part of the reason I won't ever go into mythic again.

[ruby totem]

I mean would be nice but not convinced said guild exists

[amber sparrow]

i mean... im in one?

[spark heath]

My guild is generally all older (30++), everyone kinda does their own thing and while aotc takes a little bit we always get it and it's a chill environment. Until our shaman rezzes us in lava because he's a bastard

[ruby totem]

Sounds like a shaman

[surreal void]

i havent bothered to raid since like legion era, but i still occasionally pop in for an aotc here and there. my friends who i run keys with though, they left another guild to kind of form their own to do mythic raiding

and they ended up with the literal worst of the worst

people who are permanently stuck pugging because of either grey parses, they cant learn mechanics. they still die this many weeks in to normal/heroic mechanics

and they kept trying to drag these folks into mythic raiding, when they dont know their own class rotation or worse. i was kinda like why dont yall just cap at heroic for a month or two, stop wasting time on mythic bosses when you havent even killed H dimensius

[wind coyote]

especially this tier, early mythic bosses are not free

in terms of required output right from the first boss

boss dps and healing

[surreal void]

yeah, they were 100% not a raid team that should have been in mythic raid week 1-2 release

they had some real braindead players that shouldnt have even been in heroic yet

and the officers werent kicking them

[wind coyote]

We killed H Dimensius before going Mythic this tier, and the first thing we felt is that the healing/dps requirements from the get-go were at least equal to Dimensius

if not more

on Plexiglass

Finally killed Loom'Ithar Mythic yesterday, I wonder if Forgeweaver will be enjoyable on sub.

[surreal void]

about the most ill do is step into H for aotc again, maybe pug a few kills for boots

[wind coyote]

It's my first tier raiding mythic seriously in a very long time and didn't do much before

it's a very nice tier tbh

[ruby totem]

Just throw gear at the issue

[surreal void]

thats kinda what i told them lol

hopefully by time they figure out heroic and have it on farm, people are tired of it and want to do mythic and not suck

i just cant even imagine someone wanting to do mythic raiding and they know nothing about their class or spec and never read up on anything

let alone dont know simming

[ruby totem]

My weak aura has 2 people in my raid flagged as 1 button rotation players

[warm pagoda]

Which weakaura is this? I'm now curious

[ruby totem]

I think its not horrid but its bad at selecting if it should ST or aoe and is ofc a major dps loss but its a don't care thing to me

[ruby totem]

I think i have an archive link as the original was pulled from wago lemme see

https://web.archive.org/web/20250812043346/https://wago.io/CTb3OGAbm

Needs about a min to determine if someone is using it

[short pecan]

haven't played sin rogue since basically S4 of dragonflight

been wanting to try out other specs too

i remember sub being hard

Never played outlaw

any advice?

on what spec to pickup

this is for fun alt btw

[ruby totem]

Outlaw kinda high apm abd don't think its good rn but not sure

[short pecan]

i play fire mage so high apm is kinda in my territory

atm

territory is a horrible word but my limited English cant figure out a better one

[ruby totem]

I like it but makes my old hands hurt

[short pecan]

i used to be a big sin gamer in DF

a bit scared it'll be an annoying learning curve

to get back into it

my issue is that sin is the comfort zone but i was always curious abo sub and outlaw

so i figured asking just gameplay wise which one feels the best atm

since im fairly open to suggestions

more about feels than actual performance since i probably wont push high keys on it

since i already did that

[warm pagoda]

Gameplay wise they're all kind of different so it'd be hard to compare.

Sin is a slow dot management spec. Sub is moments of high APM in burst and long downtimes, outlaw is GOTTA GO FAST

[short pecan]

ye so still the same, i kinda didn't play majority of tww

silly me expecting rogue to actually get changes

kekw

[ruby totem]

Lemme know if you have questions on the wa

[hearty fog]

play subrogue

unironically you take your hands off the keyboard

and stretch them

in your downtime

or at least i do

it's great

[woeful geyser]

literally everyone that played druid on that fight had that happen once

[glad harness]

First thing I did

[hearty fog]

same

[glad harness]

Except I managed to swap to flightform, I just couldnt take off

[hearty fog]

i went into deer form and panicked tried to find my mount button only to remember i had rebound it

[warm pagoda]

Yup, first night on the split, 'WHY THE FUCK AM I A DEER'

[weary moon]

lmao that pepe emoji is crazy

[warm pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/you-deer-deer-dark-souls-nokotan-my-deer-friend-nokotan-gif-15144319581244726751

[warm pagoda]

Will do. I'm at work so I can't fully check rn

[night pier]

What specs have p easy rotas atm :D

[zealous halo]

Assassination rogue

[hearty fog]

sub rogue

[night pier]

That aren't rogue or hunter :D

[hearty fog]

ret paladin

[stiff grail]

think devastation evoker has easiest one in the whole game

[night pier]

Dev is in mind yea, but doesn't it have like 50 support buttons D:

[mellow pilot]

Don't press them

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[night pier]

True

Prolly just gonna do that while learning it if i chose it :D

[mellow pilot]

Meanwhile I've been fighting myself to finally pick up brew/fistweaver

[night pier]

Fist is fun

last time i played

[hazy halo]

brew is also insanly fun playing it as my main twink rn its plays really smooth imo

[woeful geyser]

frost dk is literally blue ret paladin

[weary moon]

@stoic lake @ruby totem @sour patrol this you guys?

[stoic lake]

No but I have done that before

[sour patrol]

I'm at work.
Besides, I would have curve.

[stoic lake]

I made artwork out of cauldrons

Bc you could stack them up

[neon glen]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-3539564

[hallow hinge]

Boomkin

[quasi galleon]

Brew and Fist weaver have been my two go too specs for an alt for achievements wanting tank and heal that I can't do on my rogue.

Both very fun in my opinion

[stone echo]

Hate to be that guy but 2 out of the 5 most recent stream posts in rogue streamer channel are playing as dk lol

Any ass streamers? As the other 3 are playing sub

[subtle yacht]

just 2chested a key by literally 1 second and it said +2 in chat but raiderio says i only +1'd it. has anyone else had this issue?

[sour patrol]

Lest you forget they had 10 minutes from the first bot being put down to pull this off

[hollow tinsel]

I just wanted to ask a raid question as I'm a raid lead and looking for some direction of what others are doing.

For Loot council, do your teams always do ST sims for loot throughout the whole season? or do they ever change to cleave build sims? had some raiders asking since this raid is like, 5/8 cleave bosses

Any input of what others are doing is welcomed!

[grave plume]

I have only ever seen ST simmed for loot council. IMO trying to account for cleave is going to be a bigger headache than its worth because of people claiming all sorts of stuff and may end up in loot drama. I would just keep it simple.

[hollow tinsel]

this is my take as well. Just wanted to see if there were any higher end guilds that did anything different. I do lots of loot research on top of their ST sims to see what should be where with the voting coucil, but just curious if anyone does anything different. Everyone I've asked says stick to ST lol

[gleaming cedar]

is anyone good at editing weakauras and would be willing to help me edit something?

cant figure out how to move these things for the luxthos rogue WA

[hearty fog]

have you tried asking on the luxthos discord?

[gleaming cedar]

oh damn he has a discord

[hearty fog]

[surreal agate]

answer might be code

ime

[kind rover]

happy vault day guys good luck with loot

[wary knoll]

who is this

[valid dune]

That's zac

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1415140351772987506/Screenshot_20250909-180217.jpg?ex=68c21fa7&is=68c0ce27&hm=88eed1d52ed7cf807b01f2d2ede1553eaf4a8aec70267afd89895d9685acf002

[wary knoll]

I miss last season, damn it felt good

[pulsar rain]

yeah typical outlaw... that's why they changed it from combat to outlaw.

[jade panther]

what a way to start a day

[warm pagoda]

Yeah they're bearformpov, bears don't beam

[trail stream]

guys why are my legs being simulated at "low precision"? the results are varying like crazy from 0.3% to 1.5% gain.... but the neck above is always the same

I've never seen this with raidbots before
Edit: did some searching apparently this annoying feature was added years ago :p nice

also I have the 2x precision selected before running it :p

[storm crypt]

Can someone remind me why the hell did they bring group loot back

[neon glen]

yes it's a lovely feature that will troll you sometimes (and it's basically impossible to detect if that happened when you are simming too many combinations)

[stable latch]

Tbf in this case u did not need a high precision sim to see that 1.7 is larger than 0.3

U should be able to run both at high precision using gear compare tho i think

[void osprey]

Anyone knows why the post about rogues on the wow reddit was removed?

[blazing summit]

hey guys, maybe someone can help me with a hijack WA issue.
My Problem is, i use ELVUI, where i enabled the blizzard player Unite and hijack seems not work with it, but if i disable the blizzard unit frame and use the elvui hijack works so dunno what to do

[tough swallow]

posible because it specifically targeted/named one of the devs

i don't know the exact reddit rules, but critisism should never target a individual worker rather than the entire company

[void osprey]

That seems fair. Thanks.

[neon glen]

it's the pinned comment in the thread https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1nd61kz/an_open_letter_to_world_of_warcraft_class/ndetjlu/

[stable latch]

Yeah name droping devs is very cringe

He also kinda made him out to be the villan of rouges or smth

The entire thing read like a schizophrenic episode

[tough swallow]

I think its difficult, the post waas translated and there is always a lot thats lost in translation

on top of a very personal pov instead of a more objective stance

[stable latch]

True that is probably part of it

[blazing summit]

no one has a idea for my prob?

[glad harness]

I have no idea what you tried to ask, but if its a elvui issue, try the elvui discord?

[blazing summit]

you have a link to it?

[glad harness]

Google does

[sour patrol]

tbf I play Rogue so much I forget I have utility on other classes.
Forget I can Lust on Mage.
Forget I have Ursol's on Druid.
Forget I can brez and provide healthstones on Warlock.
Etc

[left crow]

I don't even talent into blessing of sacrifice on my prot pally. Can't forget to press wgat you don't have.

[upper veldt]

there are other classes?

[mossy cloud]

fr tho, when i switch to other classes i insta download big ass weakauras to remind my dumb ass to press the buttons

[mellow pilot]

The right answer right here!

[left crow]

If you need audio cues for your weak auras here are some:
https://youtu.be/USEUcO1PKwU

[spare pulsar]

any insider info if we're getting rogue reworks in alpha?

yes i know i'm a sussy baka

[glad harness]

Yeah, we are 100percent on Jah and God alike getting a massive rework. Thoughts and prayers has been heard and santa will deliver.

[fringe umbra]

Unfortunately 3 of the people in this discord are on santas naughty list so we aint getting anything this year

[mellow pilot]

I'm not on the list so I'm safe

[ruby totem]

Zac, quake and hataro's 235 alt accounts?

[warm pagoda]

Its just you 3 times

How dare you

[noble kestrel]

is it me and my constant demands for a poison toggle

[ruby totem]

Only 3x?

[warm pagoda]

Out of spite we're going back to the poison profession

[warm pagoda]

Rookie numbers tbh

[ruby totem]

Best I can do is a button that toggles peggle opened and closed

[oblique flume]

Hi, does Elusivenss Feint DR and Evasion DR stack? If I use two ability same time, Do I get 36%(or 40%) DR?

[fringe umbra]

Multiplcatively, so 36% yes

That is assuming its not already an AoE ability, in which case the 40% from baseline feint takes over instead of the 20% from elusiveness

[oblique flume]

Thank you

In this discord some one said you only get almost No additional DR from Elusiveness against AOE by using Feint

[fringe umbra]

Correct, you get literally nothing out of elusiveness while feinting if its an aoe ability

Its 40% OR 20%

[oblique flume]

Oh really..?

Then Feint + Evaision also gaining 40% DR only?

[fringe umbra]

If its an Aoe ability feint reduces it by 40%
If its not an aoe ability feint reduces it by 0%
If you spec elusiveness that non aoe ability now gets reduced by 20%

But an aoe ability is still reduced by 40%

[oblique flume]

Okay, against AOE, using Feint+Evasion still 40% only right?

[fringe umbra]

well no

Evasion is 20%

So it would be 52%

[oblique flume]

Oh okay.

Thank you, Evasion + Feint macro will be my favorite macro defensive button from now on

[oblique flume]

You are very kind :3

[mellow pilot]

Thank you

[vital cloak]

is there anyone who could help me figure out something about rogue legion class hall mount?

Cause i have no idea what is going on

I have my breaching the tomb achi on other character, and completed class hall campaing (i have a glorious campaing achievment nad froged for battle), but still i cant get the quest for mount from aphotecary keever

[paper quartz]

whats the best way to gear an alt rn?

[mellow pilot]

timewalking dungeons

[tough swallow]

i love this timeline where this is a reasonable amount of updates for 3-4 days

[neon glen]

I mean you get like 4 updates during the same raid

[fringe umbra]

My tinfoil hat is that theyre doing so many updates to "force" people to get the updated addon

Big conspiracy

[ruby pawn]

any difference between wagio or wowup for addon updates?

[neon glen]

I had the same conspiracy theory, that the changes are already made but the versions are staggered on purpose

[tough swallow]

i would not mind if auraupdater would become against tos/eula

just saying

[stoic lake]

Is there a

perma augment rune this season

[meager totem]

renown 18 with kareshi

[neon glen]

I mean, they are basically abusing a loophole in the rules (along with a few other authors), and I don't know why blizzard hasn't made any moves to fix it

[warm steppe]

prayers for Charlie Kirk

[edgy nimbus]

apart from being annoying why do you want it to be against tos?

[neon glen]

it's basically a paid addon in a trenchcoat

[tough swallow]

i think you did not read between the lines ^^

but i can explain after raid probably

[edgy nimbus]

as you you dont like how powerful WAs are ig?

[tough swallow]

Alright, i personally don't care how powerful weakauras is but

The weakaura and addons on top of weakauras creates such a inefficient system

And it creates a lot of new problems and time wastes

essentially, aura updater makes limit a lot of money

but now guilds even world rnk 1000+ start to use it

many have low raid hours

auraupdater creates a scenario in which you now need to spend often raid time to troubleshoot issues and make sure everyone uses the latest version

this on top of the sheer ressource waste these auras have

they are not designed with performance in mind, and happily trade off 13-30 FPS just to have a simpler raid

[mild wasp]

yea that was going to my first thing to mention

it's a giant lagmachine

[tough swallow]

for doing something.... boss mods do already just in a diffrent form, without any of the mentioned problems

i can only apploud those who created this engine tho

they make money on something people already have

and now created a economy world 3000 guilds still consider spending money and time to be "as good as the big guys"

the performance is not a concern for the top end because they have the latext x3d cpus's

so they have a lot of headroom to still have stable fps

[cobalt torrent]

i actually was thinking on this apart from mayble using bw/dbm to pull info, using bw/dbm and raid wa seems redundant

like they are doing the same shit feels like

[tough swallow]

its just a re-creation of boss mods

in weakauras

so you pay 3x the cost

at minimum

i get it from a raid to world first pov

because you can easily share weakauras via link or in chat

so you don't need to go through the addon steps of pushing an update, everyone updating their addons etc.

but thats a very specific use case i would argue 90%

or more of the playerbase would never be in

[cobalt torrent]

this 1000% btw

every single fucking week man

[tough swallow]

i hope this makes is more obviose why i think its a net negative for the game

[cobalt torrent]

bro just burn it all

i welcome our blizz sanctioned addons

[tough swallow]

i don't hate addons, they bring a lot of positives

espcially in form of accessability and qol

but aura updater is a big reason why blizz wants to limit what addons can do

[long ice]

We have a few people in guild who are essentially playing on a regular family pc and refuse to use the liquid WA pack so for fights like fract it basically negates the usefulness

[wind coyote]

yeah my guild uses those and god the perf hit is bad

they're very good though

but I'd dare say it's not worth the cost in perf and what it does to the game.

[long ice]

I usually delete any modules besides the one or two mechanics I actually find it useful for

Also switching from plater to nameplatekai in raid is nice

Still using plater in keys tho bc Kai is a bit too bare-bones for me there

[neon glen]

a lot of the functionality of those "boss mod" WAs could've been achieved if the same people contributed to existing boss mod projects instead

but then there is the money thing

[mild wasp]

beyond the money, why would they develop for something less efficient and harder to implement in the use-case they care the most about (rwf)

[nocturne shadow]

any rogues here using nameplate auras addon?

aoe blind not popping up on other nameplates like they used to. maybe somebody else having the same issue

[ruby totem]

https://preview.redd.it/after-rolling-a-93-on-an-astral-antenna-v0-ogfrvjn3y1nf1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=52f4a66e62b505534db08ba490ced6f28a28150d

[novel cipher]

[bitter lion]

How does rogue find doing solo shit? Delves or elites or shit?

[neon glen]

less efficient in what way?

[mild wasp]

backend stuff mostly, it's easier to iterate weakauras and push updates between pulls and have it be a ~10 second process

[tiny forge]

It's fine. Elusiveness (the talent) can get you through a lot of the scary stuff.

[pastel turtle]

As sub delves are quixk and easy

[surreal agate]

Trickster outlaw delves are legit brainoff 11s at 670 type shit

[neon glen]

addons are only frontend technically, but I agree that iterating WAs for rwf is quicker. The issue is that after rwf iterating fast at any cost is no longer important. And often the extra performance cost isn't even worth it because the information is already available on DBM/BW which people also use and therefore redundant (playerbase issue)

it's also way more annoying to configure and update because WAs were not made for that but eh

[zealous halo]

Why would you not use weak auras I don't get it

It's way easier than making stuffs in an addon from Scratch

[zealous halo]

It isn't if you treat your weak aura as an addon tbf

And never modify it

[surreal agate]

this terrifies me considering how much i hate making WAs

[zealous halo]

Which is why they have these anchors weak auras

[zealous halo]

I mean weak aura is just a framework that makes 90% of the things you wanna do just 3 button clicks

[surreal agate]

yeah

[zealous halo]

It's way easier for sure

[surreal agate]

the problem is sometimes it's 4000 clicks

[zealous halo]

Not really

Even if you have to code stuffs it will still be way easier on a weak aura

The frontend part will be done in 5 s even if the backend is full code you know

[surreal agate]

yeah true

idk i've just run into situations where weakauras dont' let me do what i want before without having to spin up custom code shit for stuff that feels like it shouldn't need it

and they're really annoying

[neon glen]

it is, but not for free. You can basically do everything an addon does with a WA, yet addons still exist. As for not modifying it. the main difference is that addons have a clear separation between addon code (inteface dir) and settings/saved data (wtf dir). WAs have everything in the latter which complicates things

[zealous halo]

Tbf

I do agree that boss mods add-ons just didn't evolve like they should have

[neon glen]

like you try to update a WA and at best you get 10 tickboxes of what to overwrite. You think the average wow player understands that? At worst it overwrites some of your settings

[zealous halo]

For example I should have a way to track things with a circle progress for some casts etc, they should manually have certain casts or timers or whatever be different

More important etc

Like the weak aura packs do

They should have support for debuffs etc that are important

The boss mods add-ons are maybe too generalized so end up kinda useless for a lot of things in the end

[zealous halo]

Ok but again that's why these weak aura packs are treated as add-ons, you don't untick anything and customize with the anchor instead

[neon glen]

boss mods do have some options to emphasise certain things/spells, but I agree there could be more customisation there

[tough swallow]

I do think its more what i mentioned above

[zealous halo]

Barely, but I'm also saying by default nothing is done really

[tough swallow]

the pipeline to get boss mods updated is longer

so weakauras is just the lazy way

[zealous halo]

I mean they could have flags for spells, that they manually flag on each boss and then the cast or whatever show differently

[neon glen]

it's also the way that allows you go around tos

[zealous halo]

Exactly as weak aura

That wouldn't really be that different to what the weak aura packs do

[tough swallow]

i mean in the end there isn't much diffrence

[zealous halo]

Like default bigwigs is barely useful

[tough swallow]

e.g. on fractilus you get a marker or number assigned by either a bossmod or a weakaura

[zealous halo]

Actually I don't even know if I actually use bigwigs really

I have bars on my screen

And it's useless

[tough swallow]

and especially "deadly boss mods" is know to scream for every shit

just like these weakaura packages do

weakauras is just infinitely customizable

which boss mods are not, they allow you to dissable or configure options

but you can't tailor them as easy to your needs

well unless

you think diffrently about it, because writing a custom code weakaura or extending boss mods is very similar

[rare solar]

speaking of weakauras

how the fuck do i lower the volume on the liquid WA

that i have to use bc my raid leader wants it SPECIFICALLY for fractillus

and nothing else

[fringe umbra]

Accessibility > Text To Speech > Configure Text to Speech

Lower the volume

If you dont have it enabled, then enable it & lower, then disable again

In regular wow settings, not WA

[rare solar]

thank you

wait i can make it have a heavy german accent

[fringe umbra]

Yeah the world is your oyster man

Have it auto translate into chinese if you prefer

Go wild

[neon glen]

what about nyanspeak?

[ruby totem]

Uwu boss mods

[balmy fog]

the secret of delves is to tricks bran while hes dps or heal, hes tankier than tank brann

[bitter lion]

And elites? Karesh? If you cant stun vanish, pray for someone else? Ive only ever bm huntered so idk how other non tanks do stuff. <.<

[balmy fog]

Hmm I think you should be pretty durable with evasion vs most elites but I don't do much open world stuff... I think people that do open world content complain that vanish (part of the rotation especially for outlaw) can reset mobs in the world

Sub probably owns open world content and elites with the burst to be fair, and no vanishing needed

[bitter lion]

Got it. I mean I prob wont get up to TWW till midnight since Im working on finishing each expansion, questwise, in a row. But its a thing Im thinking about. How bad soloing stuff might be. WoW is scary when youre not a tank/hunter. Idk how mages/rogues do it.

[balmy fog]

I actually got recommended a really cool rogue vid where some guy was soloing queen ansurek last patch, so rogue soloing can't be that bad with the right setup 😛 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRCQNmzBa_k

[noble kestrel]

What's that UI

I'm in love already

[zealous halo]

Wtf

That's a crazy UI

[faint bough]

needs more floating combat text

[cyan oxide]

Not really a rogue question but if you’re looking to gear up a fresh 80 on your first tww char what’s the most efficient route to become M+-ready? Delves?

WQs?

Haven’t really actively played since Legion so most of these gearing routes are completely foreign to me

[rare solar]

All the Weekly events, delves, heroic dungeons, lfr as soon as u can get in

M0 world tour

[cyan oxide]

So just a bit of everything, I take it these rewards all scale with season?

I’m used to nothing scaling but WQs and m+

[rare solar]

Yeah they get scaled up every season

[hearty fog]

once you're above 650 (i think) you can queue for lfr

i kinda cbf but if someone explains how crests works

he can craft 675 gear with weathered crests

[cyan oxide]

I was looking at the omencrafting for weapon at least

[mellow pilot]

I was about to talk about it

But it's a pita

So I don't wanna

[hearty fog]

[cyan oxide]

They overhauled crafting in dragonflight right?

[hearty fog]

fuck crafting

it makes sense once you get it

but liek

jlkasdjasdasdsadsa

[cyan oxide]

I’ll find a guide for it

[mellow pilot]

It's so fucking good once you understand it

But the problem is understanding it

[hearty fog]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/professions-crafting-orders-and-recrafting

maybe read this

come back with questions later

[cyan oxide]

“Crafting is a good source of gear” is sufficient

I deal with crafting in ffxiv, can’t be that much more confusing here

[mellow pilot]

Oh

Then let me thing

[noble kestrel]

It's simpler than 14, ye.

[mellow pilot]

Yeah that it is

[noble kestrel]

Basically think 14 but you just insert reageants and push craft and the passive skill does the work

[cyan oxide]

Makes sense

[mellow pilot]

Basically you can put in work orders for other people to craft stuff for you. You just need to supply the materials and a fee

[hearty fog]

tl;dr

convert 30(?) weathered crests into a weathered token crest thingie from the vendor next to the crafting order person
message in trade chat "looking for craft for whatever item you want crafted"
get messaged by 500000 bots who will craft it for you
send the craft to that person with r3 mats
get the gear crafted at 675 ilvl

did i miss anything?

[mellow pilot]

Nop

That's it for the basic 675 items

[hearty fog]

can probably also use a spark on his dagger for 684

[cyan oxide]

Yeah was gonna try to get a 684 weap but wasn’t sure how crafted gear held up for the other slots

Literally just got my sub rogue to 80 so looking to gear both it and a fdk

Fdk for brain-off nights

[wicked night]

/focus [exists][] /run if not GetRaidTargetIndex("focus") then SetRaidTarget("focus",4) end

would this work to put on a mark but not overwrite if a mark is on someone?

[noble kestrel]

You can play a fun game by going "LF <crafter> to <do something>" and seeing how many people whisper you

[woeful geyser]

Hey i can craft <Item> on my Alt called <Insert name-Server>, whisper me if you want the craft!

[noble kestrel]

I never automate, people get a bespoke badly type'd and typo filled message every time

[woeful geyser]

they all just type REALLY fast

[hearty fog]

Only when I'm feeling lonely

[left crow]

Crafting for others was more fun in DF when they had to pursuade you to use insight. Now it's a race to the bottom to see how low of a fee you take, with 9 out of 10 wispers not even getting a reply.

[noble kestrel]

I just tell people to tip whatever these days

I actually prefer it 'cos the amount of abuse I got in DF for having a set price was so frustrating

[left crow]

Yeah, in Df I could demand a Fee now I have to take what they give me. Better for the vmbuyer, worse for my fun.

[placid crown]

!coup

[mild wasp]

imo, it's better bc it makes people less likely to nickel and dime their guildies

and systems should be designed to encourage people to interact with others consistently

[noble kestrel]

Less having to repeatedly explain why Acuity costs so much, too

Metle, even

Now it's just ye send it I push button donezo

[mild wasp]

ill gladly toss a guildie 50k every now and then for being able to craft things for me at 3 am

even tho they don't actually charge me anything

[noble kestrel]

Hell yeah

I just go for quantity of orders these days, since most people on my realm tip 1 - 3k

[mild wasp]

i think ive given my guildies more gold this expansion than in df and they charged me 10k in df LOL

[noble kestrel]

I like that 10k was such a standard amount in DF haha

[iron belfry]

when lariat recipe was only owned by 1 dude on the server i paid 50k just tip.

[noble kestrel]

I was one of the three people with it on my realm for ages

[iron belfry]

i still have it, never selling that crap. the dude said he made gold cap on 4 characters in like a few weeks and quit

[noble kestrel]

Gonna break 10k before Midnight

[iron belfry]

i only did the NPC ones since i got alchemy and dont play more chars

[mellow pilot]

what a fucking chad

[noble kestrel]

I make number go up (not parse)

[neon glen]

UI

[warm steppe]

Hi guys, for the level 80 boost we got from the midnight pre order, what ilvl gear do we get?

[ruby totem]

645

[warm steppe]

thats it?

thought it would be like 690

[ruby totem]

You thought wrong

You can confirm via Google though

[edgy nimbus]

i hate this

[dusty cloud]

Just run a heroic raid for a bunch of runed

[glad onyx]

which mob in gambit drops the totem at the start

[thin ferry]

so if i have good HC logs but mediocre mythic logs, first thing RL's will see is mythic logs right?

[neon glen]

we can't control the RL's eyes so

[thin ferry]

i mean when they open warcrsftlogs

[neon glen]

default view when you look someone up is highest difficulty, so yes mythic will show if parses exist

[languid prairie]

i wanna catalyst old dragonflight gear for transmog, namely the aberrus set, where would be the best place to farm gear pieces for that

[mellow pilot]

Aberrus

[languid prairie]

[mellow pilot]

Sadly im not even joking

[spiral stirrup]

Returning player that has never played rogue before.

What draws everyone to the class?

Just curious.

[wicked night]

wtf is a pb?

he was saying it all key

heal pb

pb heal

[hearty fog]

peanutbutter

[stoic lake]

personal best

i assume

[faint bough]

PlumBus

[steep dock]

Personal bitch

Push bot

[hearty fog]

Иду на бот

[steep dock]

Wtf fimb a bot

[hearty fog]

[surreal agate]

Outlaw is fun and I like the rogue defensive toolkit

[ruby totem]

Got my resil keys. Holy heck ara was not fun.

Hope that place gets nerfed into deletion

But yeah this season 12's seem like they are hellish so many people using either 1 button rotation//don't know basics about class//refuse to interrupt and it just makes the keys so much harder than it needs to be

[spare pulsar]

i love ara

or rather i used to when i was subbed

which was prev season

[unreal gulch]

Most of us are edgy long time rogues

We are all about that dagger lifestyle

And then there are weird pirates, which fills a niche aswell

Most of the time the class offers gameplay you dont fine elsewhere in the same way

[muted sequoia]

Sub Guys! I didnt play rogues for some weeks now & looked at the current state
Does it look like all rogue specs are very viable right now?

And if yes, in what situation does which spec perform good in, in M+?

[hearty fog]

it performs good when i play 😎

but yeah if youre doing weekly 10/12s then all rogue specs are viable

[muted sequoia]

I mean in 14+ keys
Normal keys are viable for all classes & specs if im not mistaken
Only asking for the higher keys

[hearty fog]

eh even in 14 everything is viable

well