It’s worth running delves right now bc they’ll result in your most likely best vault options on Tuesday. As a source of gear, they’re “a” source of gear but I dont imagine the best. Gear that’s dropping should be upgradeable with crests and flightstones like any other
#wow-general
winged tapir
keen merlin
stupid question guys but which is the M0 dungeons for this week? its not all 8 season dungeons right?
mild wasp
i mean, all vanish really is is you throwing flash powder in their eyes, which is fantasy-ified into vanishing powder that makes you actually invisible
throwing flash powder in people's eyes is a very outlaw-esque thing to do
they're brigands and all but they are still rogues at the end of the day and doing underhanded shit is the most rogue thing ever
mellow pilot
stupid question guys but which is the M0 dungeons for this week? its not all 8 s...
all but tazavesh
so you have 6 m0s to do
static epoch
they're brigands and all but they are still rogues at the end of the day and doi...
don't matter
still don't like it
(tbh it's more like a smoke bomb due to how it works out)
woeful geyser
complaining about the vanish animation out of all things feels a bit forced
like, bruh, its vanish, its funny calling it a animation in the first place lol
rare solar
the animation is the smallest problem about vanish anyways
main peak
the only real reason i can give yo play not outlaw for early prog is to help with loot soaking. someones gotta soak all the dagger drops. outlaw only can use one, and has to compete main hand loot with other classes
but performance wise playing what u like is better
gz
viscid cradle
so you have 6 m0s to do
Still 8. You can run two dungeons without loots just for the vault
mellow pilot
Still 8. You can run two dungeons without loots just for the vault
My sentence is still correct, there are only 6 to do
i wasnt talking about the vault
left crow
If you have a geared char look for groups searching traders. I made 155k gold doing my m0 on an Alt 🙂
steep dock
nice bit of gold ig
scenic flame
Unrelated to rogue, but I have a war tank with raidfinder.tier set, should I keep 4x unti I get pices from the new set or just replace them with m0 items?
Raidbots says replacing them is dmg lose, but it cant show if it is better for tanking
mellow pilot
Maybe ask directly in the protection channel in skyhold
They can give you more accurate answers
scenic flame
ty
dense topaz
So i just joined and read the rules and it specifically said for me to ask what's the better M+ spec for rogues atm
broken widget
does atrophic stack with two rogues in a raid comp?
mellow pilot
Yes in a way
minor drum
So i just joined and read the rules and it specifically said for me to ask what'...
From what I've read, they're all close enough that it doesn't really matter. I started with Sin, but I'm about to switch back to Sub because I just enjoy the playstyle more.
mellow pilot
From what I've read, they're all close enough that it doesn't really matter. I s...
Based decision
astral pike
So i just joined and read the rules and it specifically said for me to ask what'...
Each has its own merits. I am firm Outlaw, but thats cause I enjoy the playstyle and new KS immensely, plus when pugging you get almost no punishment for chain pulling vs sub/sin no stealth between packs feels horrible
deep fossil
dont you get a mythic stone after you do a m0 dungeon?
mellow pilot
dont you get a mythic stone after you do a m0 dungeon?
next week
minor drum
look for a premade group doing dungeons. They'll list as M0
haughty meteor
!tricks
ionic forumBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
sour patrol
Somethign ain't mathing
meager totem
mellow pilot
Somethign ain't mathing
might also be a bug
for some reason 1 delves isnt counting
!up
ionic forumBOT
sour patrol
Its always been 2 t8s for the first slot
I'm not used to actually needing Delve vault slots
rare solar
I'm not used to actually needing Delve vault slots
Can recommend addon that shows u the delves u completed
I tbink plumber has it now
Doesnt work retroactively but will record any delve u do
So u just mouseover and it tells u 1 t8 and 1 t7 or whatever
paper cosmos
So, brand new to the discord and to rogues in general. Especially at the raid level. Is subtlety viable for raids or just ignored for assassination? Trying to maximize, but I've only ever really played subtlety from wayyyyyyyy back when.
If there is a thread I can be pointed to so as to not waste anyone's time, I'm all eyes.
mellow pilot
So, brand new to the discord and to rogues in general. Especially at the raid le...
Any spec can play any content
paper cosmos
Well, of course. I'm thinking along the lines of maximizing DPS for performance and all that. Ideal situations, assuming I can perform accordingly.
mellow pilot
Are you mythic raiding?
If not, you can probably play specless and do better than 90% of the pugs you find
hidden compass
Even mythic raiding, you don't have to do it unless you're like raiding for RWF/HOF. There's sub OTPs playing it in raid
stoic rover
Is the loot that will drop from the M+ Tazavesh dungeons different from the loot that will come from the hard mode dng?
Wow head shows this ring as BiS for Assa: https://www.wowhead.com/item=185840/seal-of-the-panoply?bonus=657:12052:5877:10390:12361:12053
But then I look at the dng journal for Tazavesh it shows this one instead:
mellow pilot
Is the loot that will drop from the M+ Tazavesh dungeons different from the loot...
if you knew how troll the bis list is
just ignore the bis list for the most part btw xD
stoic rover
yeah not worry about bis list in general, I'm trying to make a list of gear I'm targetting when spamming m+ next week
Mastery Vers ring is very good
Haste crit, much less appealing
mellow pilot
Haste crit, much less appealing
Eh, thats not how it works
depends on your spec too, which i cant immediatly tell by your role color
stoic rover
Gearing for sub, going to play both sub and assa
mellow pilot
Then afaik yeah, you guys in sub don't really want that much haste compared to versa mastery
wild plaza
sour patrol
I work a lot, not a ton of time 
viscid cradle
I work a lot, not a ton of time <:CE_Plotting:1091034484465475594>
Work harder then faster 
tight edge
!up
ionic forumBOT
slow crystal
is vault capped for champion for first week?
or do you get hero from 8's in delves?
slow crystal
would be very blizzard to do bullshit capping so hence why I ask
honestly m+ up to 5's should be available this week
spring heath
Has there been any analysis on which rogue spec is expected to be meta for each boss in the new raid?
random flicker
I dont think so. Wanna give it a try? 👀
rotund gazelle
can we only do 6 m0?
faint bough
can we only do 6 m0?
you can do two more to fill out the slots for your vault, but you wont be eligible for boss loot
faint bough
(you can technically do as many as you want, but theres no point past the 6 without loot and 2 more for full vault slot)
fringe umbra
Because it has some additional stuff in its m0 that makes it more difficult and scales up its rewards
Like a hardmode
ember nest
yea many additional abilities if you didnt do it on sl
and they buffed some bosses
specially the dragon and the ninja girl
rotund gazelle
I saw some guy doing it on twitch. Maybe it was ptr, not sure
fringe umbra
Yes its on ptr
ember nest
people have been practicing for the last days likely
nothing much more to do
they will blast m+ until like 707 ilvl and 4 or 2 set
then do the dung
fiery coyote
Is the loot that will drop from the M+ Tazavesh dungeons different from the loot...
it seems that vers mastery ring does not exist
faint bough
it seems that vers mastery ring does not exist
feral grove
no fucking clue how rogues are doing kyveza rn
fiery coyote
there is a similar vers/mastery ring from priory tho
zealous halo
white hits kill me
really
fringe umbra
Walk over the healing potions from brann
feral grove
688 unfortunately
fringe umbra
And have a defensive up for the succ
zealous halo
Play outlaw
feral grove
yeah the succ is when I die
zealous halo
Who hit the filter
Well
Play elus
Feint + evasion during suc
You are playing elus tight
Right
fringe umbra
Numbing is also good
feral grove
I did think about numbing im dumb tho and didnt do elus bc I copied new skill builds v.v
Ima try again now
feral grove
thought i already had elus on and was clicking feint
but no im dumb
ok its a lot better lmao
feral grove
Thanks for the help gamers! @zealous halo @fringe umbra
Reminds me of playing elden ring lol
zealous halo
keen cobalt
tough swallow
Thanks for the help gamers! <@352916297262301194> <@212854714197344256>
nicuuu, congrats
queen oasis
It does seem easier than underpin and zekvir was, maybe because less bullshit 🤔
lime vapor
stoic rover
it seems that vers mastery ring does not exist
Yeah we figured it out in the Assa channel. Blizzard changed some stuff last minute so Bel had some bad info
tight edge
what spec are ppl running kyveza
cinder ember
Is there a document somewhere that shows what spec is preferred for each boss in new raid?
faint bough
Is there a document somewhere that shows what spec is preferred for each boss in...
yeah frost dk
rare solar
Is there a document somewhere that shows what spec is preferred for each boss in...
Dungeon journal yeah
rough stone
!wa
ionic forumBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
rough stone
!dagger
urban gulch
So will we be able to get tier pieces in tomorrow's vault possibly?
iron belfry
yes
rough stone
I would like to see the bis from every raid boss
warm pagoda
I would like to see the bis from every raid boss
There is no bis, there are merely the items that the robot says produces a bigger number.
Nothing more, nothing less.
slender sage
What are people looking for in ilvl for M0+?
noble kestrel
The typical rule of higher is better is going to apply in any pug setting, but 650+ is super chill for it. It's very easy.
slender sage
Probably just having bad luck then. I'm at 658 but getting declines all over the place.
noble kestrel
Absolute ton of DPS applying. Make your own group.
warm pagoda
Unfortunately there's like... 50 DPS applying at the same time
And if one of them has a higher ilvl, gg
slender sage
Yeah, makes sense
left crow
- Be a class that can tank/heal
- make a group with your tank spec active
- invite a healer
- spec back to dps 🙂
tidal skiff
anyone know whats a fast dung to run today? lol
icy badge
I have a conundrum. Trying to pick a dps main outside of my main; which is a tank. I play Surv Hunter, Outlaw Rogue, and Feral Druid. Which would be the best choice?
noble kestrel
The one you enjoy playing the most
faint bough
anyone know whats a fast dung to run today? lol
i feel like ecodome is the fastest of the current pool
icy badge
The one you enjoy playing the most
I enjoy Surv and Outlaw. Feral feels like I need to be heavily autistic to play even mediocre.
formal fulcrum
I enjoy Surv and Outlaw. Feral feels like I need to be heavily autistic to play ...
You can learn to play any class and spec good if you main it for a season imo.
icy badge
You can learn to play any class and spec good if you main it for a season imo.
I’ve met solid Feral players. They something else.
formal fulcrum
!up
ionic forumBOT
paper cosmos
woop woop, fun challenge!
Goddamn, already? Just a lengthy fight, no RNG or what? That's nutty.
tight edge
Goddamn, already? Just a lengthy fight, no RNG or what? That's nutty.
just gotta focus on mechanics and the fight is over, went from 65 to 0% between two attempts
plucky walrus
Asa or sub for raid ?
mellow pilot
Both
plush dune
Spriest
sweet seal
Can anyone tell me what to pick between sub and assa for raid if I want to stick to one spec?
hearty fog
no, decide yourself
novel schooner
That is assassination for me. Just so I can look at these huge demi god boss' and go "Do you bleed?"
plush dune
Can anyone tell me what to pick between sub and assa for raid if I want to stick...
spriest
sweet seal
wasnt funny the first time my boy
maiden canyon
Can anyone tell me what to pick between sub and assa for raid if I want to stick...
sub 100%
mellow pilot
Can anyone tell me what to pick between sub and assa for raid if I want to stick...
Every otp will tell you to play their spec
neat beacon
any good dungeon WA packs?
glossy halo
I'm still deciding between assassination and subt in raid, what do you recommend?
assa seems good but only after getting new tier set right?
fringe umbra
The one that you enjoy the most
glossy halo
The one that you enjoy the most
I'm new to rogue and I prefer Assa on M+ but for raid I don't know what to play
formal fulcrum
Why people always ask what spec to play
Like asking someone else what your favourite colour should be
novel schooner
People want to play what ever does the best. Even if the best is what ever one they have the most fun with and get the best with.
formal fulcrum
It’s not that black and white though all the specs have their strengths
Except outlaw
novel schooner
Many want it to be that tho and have seen YTers talk about other class' being that way.
winged tapir
There’s an absence of transparent information at the beginning of a season. People want to perform as best they can and are just hopeful experts can offer advice or info they can’t find on their own. It’s tedious bc it’s a repetitive question, but it’s an honest one.
formal fulcrum
Question with no correct answer because there’s no final tuning lol
Picking a class and spec based on tuning is whack asf
winged tapir
No dispute
formal fulcrum
Especially if you’re casual
novel schooner
But those asking do not know there is no correct answer.
To me the correct answer is the one you enjoy the most.
But they hate when that is the answer they are givin,
winged tapir
Doubly confounding bc there’s arguments for all three rogue specs. None seem like they’re going to blast, none seem poopoo
hearty fog
There’s an absence of transparent information at the beginning of a season. Peop...
it's a stupid question that should get a stupid response
winged tapir
That’s one approach
hearty fog
the only time that question would matter is if they are competing in like top 20 world
and those people probably arent asking the question
novel schooner
They don't know that tho.
hearty fog
and chances are as well if they are asking the question, they aren't at a good enough level where they play either of the specs optimally enough
winged tapir
Some of the best advice I ever got when I was consulting was “you have to meet them where they’re at”
hearty fog
the only real answer that isn't being a dick is "play whatever you find fun. that's the best spec"
but its not the answer they want to hear
so /shrug
novel schooner
Yeah no matter what they will not get what they want.
winged tapir
The question is indicative of where they’re at …. I just like to be as supportive as possible when people are trying to learn
But no. There’s no answer
In 4 weeks they’ll look at DPS charts and assume the answers
hearty fog
I do up to a certain point, in this case old mate has no clue and it's more of a valid question than others
novel schooner
If they have not already from single target sims
hearty fog
but every single tier that question gets asked every single time
novel schooner
Will be asked forever
novel schooner
"The one that uses daggers"
hearty fog
aka not outlaw 
winged tapir
I do endorse that response lol
hearty fog
but like
even outlaw is fine to play
just have fun or something
whats the point of being a sweatlord and green parsing
novel schooner
Yeah I just like daggers so would be my response.
stable bison
the only real answer that isn't being a dick is "play whatever you find fun. tha...
ill start just saying outlaw
see if they come back a week later to cuss me out
hearty fog
based
novel schooner
That made me laugh.
surreal agate
ill start just saying outlaw
If you wait until zeross is online to respond to them you can increase the chance they'll quit rogue on the spot
surreal void
anyone else have issues with certain toons having kyveza pop in delves? my DH and rogue were no issue, had it spawn on my druid and ele shaman and its always rough seeing the dark massacre with all the crap summoned(elementals, effects etc)
the guaranteed one shot is super annoying when it spawns inside something
hallow hinge
!up
ionic forumBOT
remote cove
hello fellas, nice to meet you. i'm new on rogue and this class is taking me a lot... i'd like to know if you have any useful macros (especially for sub). thanks and have a good game
glad harness
they said solid feral players
hearty fog
upper veldt
jade panther
NA servers are not up rn ?
ember nest
it will take a while for them to be up
plush dune
they havent even gone down yet
jade panther
i thought it was on tuesday for NA
jade panther
Tuesday, 5pm
u mean 5 pm europe timer ?
i mean my question is when liquid will start the stream ?
visual sigil
Yes
plush dune
assuming servers come up when they say they will it will be around 11 am pdt, which is in 8 hours
servers never come up when they say they will though
visual sigil
Cuz LA servers gonna be off in 4 hours
trim vortex
Do monsters with clearsight detect you at the same distance around them or do they detect you from further distance from the front ?
ember nest
from the front the diff is time they take to notice
quartz jackal
Hi guys, I was playing outlaw in S2, but id say the effort vs reward was not it. and not being able to minmax cause of lack of effort to remember/track everything was something i just cant keep up with. what would you guys recommend if i want to raid and dung as rogue? are assa/sub hard to play? im new to the game so if i just sound weird im sry for it
mellow pilot
Hi guys, I was playing outlaw in S2, but id say the effort vs reward was not it....
Hmmm... You can play whatever spec you want, outlaw was probably the hardest of the 3
unreal gulch
Hmmm... You can play whatever spec you want, outlaw was probably the hardest of ...
💀
hearty fog
Hi guys, I was playing outlaw in S2, but id say the effort vs reward was not it....
sub is harder to learn but comfier to play once you have the rotation down
assi is probably easier though
tough swallow
just try all 3 and pick what you like, no reason to overthink whats easier/harder
surreal agate
real talk every outlaw player knows the spec is hard af, we just enjoy it.
If you're not enjoying that, don't play it.
novel karma
next week are we upping the cloak ?
sour patrol
The World Sole shall be mine!
faint bough
next week are we upping the cloak ?
no its actually bis at 707, upgrading it is a dps loss
novel karma
cool
sour patrol
short pecan
xalatath feet belong to me
stay away from my queen
i am to xalatath what Nathanos was to Sylvanas
mellow pilot
Dead?
sour patrol
xalatath feet belong to me
lunar kite
If a new player come to the game and sesam, does he need to do TWW campaign before the new patch campaign?
or he can directly do it
short pecan
https://tenor.com/view/burning-hell-muahaha-evil-laugh-gif-10739654
if they dont bring nathanos back when they re introduce Sylvanas im gonna sue blizzard
mellow pilot
or he can directly do it
i havent been a new player in a few years :c
lunar kite
Sad
mint zealot
friends, is there a website i can look at to see rogue sims for raid and M+. got asked what spec is better MM or rogue, while im master debating what to play for the season.
mellow pilot
friends, is there a website i can look at to see rogue sims for raid and M+. got...
Ahm... sims dont really work that way
You dont use sims to compare classes / specs
BUT yes there's a list
!fuu i believe
ionic forumBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mint zealot
i just wanna see highend numbers vs high end numbers.
mellow pilot
those numbers mean nothing
Sims don't take into consideration fight mechanics and downtime
mint zealot
i view it as potiential numbers not realistic
if stars align this has highest potentional vs stars align this ect.
mellow pilot
if stars align this has highest potentional vs stars align this ect.
you can actually outdps the sims
Also depends on the fights
mint zealot
ahh okay, i didnt think about out dpsing the sim
mellow pilot
There are some bosses that can allow that, especially those with cleave // vulnerable phases
sour patrol
Reintroduce slv?
Reintroduce Arthas
They made him a literal fart in the wind and Sylvanas goes "lmao" and waves her hand
tall surge
what specs are you gonna raid with? For each boss?
night pier
2 Tanks
4 healers
16 dps
could add a healer or take one away
sour patrol
what specs are you gonna raid with? For each boss?
mellow pilot
assa for all bosses or sub for some?
if you like assa yeah
timber raven
What spec you think they will be using in rwf
sour patrol
assa for all bosses or sub for some?
I'll learn the other specs this tier for sure but it's going to be all Sin for now
scarlet furnace
I haven't found anything on this and it's driving me mad, how do you actually gear your character to at least the same level as you would be in kare'sh quest if you skipped for the cloak? or am I just fucked now on my alts that I skipped on?
feral grove
Do we know when servers are back on?
scarlet furnace
do world events
like the spreading the light thing?
ember nest
yes
theater 10 wax awakening the machine
the hourly thing from lights dawn or whatever it is called also in that zone in the left
the weekly thing from the spider zone too
can even get a 701 belt by doing some easy lvl 1 delves
it was from last season but you can still get it now
scarlet furnace
ye I have it on many of my chars, currently tried to do a +8 on my mage that I never geared past season 1 and I thought I had good dmg but apparently im weak af xd
ember nest
mage and rogue take some finesse in lvl 8 if you are not experienced
scarlet furnace
my mage is my worst geared so on others it was fine
ember nest
at least there is no time limit so just wait for cds
tough swallow
have fun to all our na beta testers, hope you have a lovely and bug free raid today
faint bough
have fun to all our na beta testers, hope you have a lovely and bug free raid to...
dont have to worry about beta testing when my guild is fucked and does Fri/Sun raid nights 
tough swallow
smart
noble kestrel
I hope they have a very fun time fighting the all devouring man
neat beacon
they are already stuck in a perma loading screen
yeah its been nothing but perma loading screen or " a character with that name already exists" errors
ember nest
as expected
ember nest
AHAHA
tough swallow
did read it multiple times now, seems like people get s2 vault
faint bough
Wtf blizz??
tight edge
God i love rwf
mellow pilot
God i love rwf
havent seen anything yet, any news?
tight edge
Nah nothing yet, but just the vibes in chat etc
thorny widget
noble kestrel
Are the Delve items hero or champion?
ember nest
they are hero
noble kestrel
Score
sullen helm
DISC belt is no longer upgraded and can be replaced now, right?
ember nest
sim it you will need a M belt
or upgraded Hero/champion track one
so uh might take a while depending which kind of content you do
rare solar
Yeah something totally new that has never happened before how could they
woeful geyser
borrowed power for just a single patch, yikers
you guys really throw out the buzzwords huh? 
tight edge
hopeful banned wtf
mellow pilot
rep abuse?
woeful geyser
i would guess
nah, the rep thing is not 6 months
that was like 1 week
6months sounds like RMT 
tight edge
something more devious then
ruby totem
What do you want to bet appealed by his personal blizzard buddy or on second account with no punishment in a week
ember nest
he was selling blanchis cleats
ruby totem
He was selling ions feet pics
vagrant sun
Any of you guys find a good eco-dome shroud skip?
shell hill
Season 3 Defensive Sheet
Special Thanks to @neon glen for taking the time testing everything and putting this together!
mellow pilot
@neon glen POGGERS
faint bough
👍 🏄♂️ 🏄♀️
neon glen
👍 🏄♀️ 🏄♂️
noble kestrel
That's really cool work
iron belfry
anyone using Cell addon for frames?
plucky walrus
anyone have 2s-2s gain tierset list ?
plucky walrus
i just wanted to see all classes
mellow pilot
no idea where to find it
tough swallow
# Season 3 Defensive Sheet
Special Thanks to <@205708819458818049> for taking th...
!def
(i was so free to add it to the bot)
ionic forumBOT
Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <
ionic forumBOT
Atrophic poison/feint in Raid: > Click to open Sheet <
mellow pilot
Next time for sure
fast garden
anyone using Cell addon for frames?
Yes I do
zealous halo
@tough swallow @neon glen the spreadsheet is very laggy, have you guys uploaded it the same way you guys upload !fuu sheet
teal oyster
how can i get my disc belt if i skipped s2. do i gotta complete s2 campaign?
fringe umbra
No you just go pickup the quest for it and do delves
tough swallow
<@194804407706189824> <@205708819458818049> the spreadsheet is very laggy, have ...
it uses google sheets like my sheet, but more custom functions
tho i was not involved in the creation
neon glen
<@194804407706189824> <@205708819458818049> the spreadsheet is very laggy, have ...
ye I dunno why it takes a while to load. It's literally just hyperlinks to wowhead and some checkboxes
I will blame google's publish function because the normal spreadsheet view doesn't load slow
and the conditional formatting is super simple too, it's just if checkbox true make it X colour 
graceful harness
Okay i cant find Drama Details on X. Who got banned? 😄
haughty meteor
!tricks
sour patrol
Okay i cant find Drama Details on X. Who got banned? 😄
You
safe siren
Hey there, does anyone know how to fix the combo points " merging " on WA ? cf screenshot
faint bough
neon glen
Hey there, does anyone know how to fix the combo points " merging " on WA ? cf s...
the easy way is to use more than 1px of borders for them. Doing pixel perfect ui in wow is almost impossible
spare ember
Hey there, does anyone know how to fix the combo points " merging " on WA ? cf s...
Move it 0.3pixels to the left or right
tall zenith
best rogue spec for the raid? and if so how big is the difference
bleak plank
That's from the pi section of the sheet
tall zenith
thanks
bleak plank
So first number matters most
cinder sail
where is the questline for the cloak upgrade this week?
dusty oyster
Anyone from the US realms, what ilvl is timewalking dungeons and the timewalking raids giving?
long ice
Anyone from the US realms, what ilvl is timewalking dungeons and the timewalking...
adventurer gear (655-678) from dungeons, not sure on raid
iirc its champ or vet track
I wanna say champ
dusty oyster
okie, thanks very much 🙂
neon path
Hey. Is season begins already on eu servers?
meager totem
in 1h
ruby totem
man the new delve/map boss you can summon sucks. All of the mechnics under the ground and 1 shots you cant see if the terrain isnt flat lol
after killing it everyone gets an item but me
novel karma
quick question: what do we gain from completing the campaign
tight edge
kyveza swag
worn echo
does anyone got good names for details? tried kidneyspears and moulinrogue but need something new
noble kestrel
Big Derek
steep dock
Bob
worn echo
thats.. creative?
surreal void
me with 4 shrieking quartz, hoping i could get some cool delver bounty loots this week. doing 4x bountiful, turning in weekly cipher key and still not even unlocking the first journey reward let alone #2 for bounties
have another 15 ish coffer keys on alts, but even that wont be enough
twin stirrup
I keep having this issue where I am pulled out of stealth without even pushing a button. Has anyone ever had this issue?
meager totem
do you have a dagger with silly text on it equipped
twin stirrup
That was it
Thanks guys
Lol
I knew it would be something silly, but it was really annoying me haha
warm pagoda
Its always that goddamn dagger
ripe turtle
does anyone got good names for details? tried kidneyspears and moulinrogue but n...
Two Shiv Tony
trail stream
is it normal that the only weekly activity quest I can take is "3 delves"? 😛 something's not right here
woeful geyser
does anyone got good names for details? tried kidneyspears and moulinrogue but n...
@delicate quest
delicate quest
Nerf ret is a good one
tight edge
my boy kinda trucking
static epoch
is it normal that the only weekly activity quest I can take is "3 delves"? 😛 so...
timewalking is up also
and the weekly dungeon run
cosmic snow
trail stream
!up
ionic forumBOT
leaden parcel
Anyone with Plater knowledge that knows why mine move/jitter around, even when mobs are stationary? Makes it hard to mouseover targets
manic sedge
Anyone with Plater knowledge that knows why mine move/jitter around, even when m...
you change the speed of which the nameplates update placement somewhere iirc
might be maxed out
tight edge
do you get 300 exp from tier 8 delves?
surreal void
does tier feel like higher vault chance this season, is it because no cloaks or what?
got tier on 6/6 toons, 3 had 2 options, 3 had 1
leaden parcel
you change the speed of which the nameplates update placement somewhere iirc
Had a look but could not find anything sounding like that. I know I fiddled with the vertical distance, might have to do with that, but no idea
nova zephyr
Anyone noticed horrific lag spikes when vanish is used? noticed it today more so when i vanish i can only assume an addon or Weak Aura that is unloading in combat is loading itself again when i vanish?
lethal gust
is the new m+ deserter stuff already in place?
steep dock
!up
ionic forumBOT
civic saffron
last trinket hotfixes are live on raidbots anyone knows?
fringe umbra
Yes
civic saffron
im asking because on raidbots Screams of forgotten sky is doing 734923 damage and on live its doing 1.5 mil which is 115% increase, as stated in the last hotfix
outer pollen
Does anyone sell Heavy Junkboxes by any chance?
vagrant wolf
guys is it safe to do tazavesh m+ modes to not screw the deathless run buff?
fringe umbra
Yes
last fiber
am i reading logs wrong or is deathstalker assassination clapping on fatebound assassination and trickster sub again
contrary to what guides and youtubers said
fringe umbra
Well the guides obviously assume you have tier set and stuff
Which people generally dont do the first week
So
meager totem
crazy
torn wigeon
does tazavesh m0 drop hero gear already or is the tool bugged
and u have to turn on hardmode for bosses to drop hero
storm crypt
Hello guys, we just killed dimensius and then got mass disconnected. After reconnecting there is no loot and corpse. Someone who encountered this?
strange jetty
Holy crap
I might resub for legion remix
Cause i bought the xpac and then didn’t play
So remix is like a seasonal sever thing?
plush dune
basically
make a new character, level it and do remix shit, then at the end it gets transferred over to normal servers
wanton fjord
Can I run the same M+ dungeon more than once to get loot?
mellow pilot
yes
mellow pilot
!up
ionic forumBOT
tired jackal
!wa
ionic forumBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
wanton fjord
Does it matter if I do bountiful delve tier 8 or 11?
mellow pilot
Depends
Tier 11 has a gilded box reward (7 gilded), repeatable 3 times
But for vault 8 is enough
mellow pilot
It's a bit hard ATM, play carefully
long ice
Ye I usually do 3x 11’s and 5x 8’s for crests and vault
The new ethereal portal thing is dope too, esp if you get it in one of your 11’s
mellow pilot
The new ethereal portal thing is dope too, esp if you get it in one of your 11’s
my last 11 had a portal.... RIGHT BEFORE THE END BOSS
turbid notch
btw are we supposed to get rep with the Manaforge Vandals yet? I'm not getting any (I did the "Meet the Vandals" quest to unlock them
smoky dagger
!wa
ionic forumBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
strange jetty
make a new character, level it and do remix shit, then at the end it gets transf...
all the new mounts and transmogs got added to retail account too right?"
man i wanna play a pally for legion remix but i allready got a pally in retail
plush dune
yes
inland gale
It’s gonna be retail talents in legion content
hallow hinge
!fuu
ionic forumBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
strange jetty
It’s gonna be retail talents in legion content
ewww
i dont want that
i thought its gonna be like legion from fresh start
with artifact and all that
plush dune
nah
remix is the old quests and raid but current classes
and they add gimmicks
classic fits what you're looking for, but we dont know if/when legion classic will exist
wind coyote
btw are we supposed to get rep with the Manaforge Vandals yet? I'm not getting a...
I'm at rep 2 after finishing the raid
turbid notch
I'm at rep 2 after finishing the raid
Yeah I got some kind of bug. Have cleared 2 normals and done 2 heroic bosses across a couple of characters. No rep at all
wind coyote
I think some stuff didn't update properly and when I logged on this morning it was good
past yoke
classic fits what you're looking for, but we dont know if/when legion classic wi...
I recall them saying mop was going to be the last classic exp
marble hornet
i have 4 poisons active, is this a bug?
fringe umbra
If you are assa and have specced into Dragon-Tempered Blades no
ancient quest
It's so hard currently to decide if i want to go outlaw for progress or assa.
Since it's so close.
Outlaw has the movement and the instand aoe and slightly more overall dmg
And assa has execute and less uptime reliance.
What do you think.
I enjoy both assa predictably and outlaws flow.
noble kestrel
Which do you enjoy more?
ancient quest
Which do you enjoy more?
Toss up. Outlaw is straight forward and asaa is more planable.
glad harness
Flip a coin.
hearty fog
steady terrace
I got a hero cloak from the timewalking raid
woeful geyser
Flip a coin.
fatebound 
novel cipher
I got a hero cloak from the timewalking raid <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
same. shit sucks >:(
void sphinx
so how is rogue so far in the new season meta wise. any massive gameplay changes to s2?
wary river
Any one up to date on computer parts? Just got a few questions I am bouncing around
warm pagoda
spark well spent
Good, refuse borrowed power.
short pecan
stiff haven
Hello peeps - just a random question. Since new patch has anyone here experienced intermittent black screens during mythics+?
Screen would just randomly turn off for 2 secs then back on (deffo not a cable issue as there is no pop up message to say no signal etc).
I'm just wondering if anyone has experienced this or performance issues since patch launch?
fiery coyote
it does sound like a hardware issue, doesnt necessarily have to be cable
jovial citrus
Hello peeps - just a random question. Since new patch has anyone here experience...
driver issue prob
solid spoke
what's the best spec for delves? outlaw with tricks?
hazy smelt
anyone know what happens if u shadowstep last boss?
not willing to try it incase it puts u in him and death.
edgy nimbus
has anyone ever encounters issues with low ping + high FPS but getting weird input delay
i tested with and without addons and it still hapens (disabling everything)
i have 25ms local, 31ms world, 160-190 fps in dronegal dummies and the input delay is insane
same in keys
cant play outlaw
🙁
zealous halo
happens to me when i play high spell queue
edgy nimbus
happens to me when i play high spell queue
i changed with spellqueue - from 100 to 250 made no difference
ok i knew i wasnt crazy
and this shit isnt fixed
i hate this GAME
zealous halo
@quaint egret
actually weran was complaining about the exact same thing
like 1month ago
left crow
Am I missing something, no stealth at Dimensius start?
meager totem
didnt they fix it so you can press extra button while in stealth now?
left crow
kicks me out of stealth, trying again
meager totem
it worked for me 1h ago im pretty sure
plush dune
kicks me out of stealth, trying again
apparently its subterfuge that causes issues
gg
left crow
Dimensius normal mode down 3 minutes before end of first raid evening 🙂
mellow pilot
we are also almost getting our done
quasi stone
hey guys! Looking to get back into retail, quit before this expansion, rogues fun still? I remember assassination was amazing right after I took a break, wowhead guides with our amazing friend Whispyr look like the rotation is easier? I always felt like it was tricky for me, i’m too casual, anyways thanks!
mellow pilot
hey guys! Looking to get back into retail, quit before this expansion, rogues fu...
rotation was never hard
rogues look good
woven sundial
trying to minmax pushing some keys what dungeons do we wanna play sub over assa
sturdy breach
On firts boss of the raid what spec is better?
mellow pilot
On firts boss of the raid what spec is better?
the one you're better with
hearty fog
trying to minmax pushing some keys what dungeons do we wanna play sub over assa
defs dawnbreaker
probably streets as well
hoa also feels like a good sub dung with downtime
woven sundial
yea im a title holder for m+ but never really played rogue so im trying to decipher where i should be swapping cause ik sub has WAY better st
but in dungeons i can cleave and funnel
assa better
quasi stone
rotation was never hard
thank you!
surreal agate
reddit claims the ret paladin discord has shut down their spec channel because the spec sucks so much 
static epoch
reddit claims the ret paladin discord has shut down their spec channel because t...
fucking lmao
it took them three days to crash out
WEAK
hearty fog
the post that claims it
theyve locked it down
plush dune
it is very real yes
vapid pine
Imagine thinking you’re hard done by as a ret paladin
plush dune
i mean they are kinda down bad atm but this is psychotic behavior
surreal agate
to be fair afaik their sims suck
hearty fog
to be fair afaik their sims suck
could be worse, they could be subrogue
mighty hatch
to be fair afaik their sims suck
i mena
its gonna be buffed
for sure
but ya know
gotta have our dk/magecord moment
static epoch
I give it like
a week till Ret is buffed
noble kestrel
They should nerf it more
plush dune
honestly if this influences anything at all (which i highly doubt) i'd think it would make blizzard less likely to buff them significantly lmao
warm pagoda
They should nerf it more
We don't negotiate with terrorists
plush dune
would encourage more of this degeneracy
noble kestrel
honestly if this influences anything at all (which i highly doubt) i'd think it ...
Yeah, I think Blizzard would just ignore this. If they buff it, it isn't because of this at all and they were goign tdo it anyway
mighty hatch
we have 3 people in paladinworld (afaik) that have dev contact
vapid pine
I mean when playing they aren’t that bad on the meters imo, they should consider it a trade for having all that class fantasy and vfx spam
plush dune
i mean yeah has there ever been a time when a bottom 3 spec week one wasnt buffed in that tier
like obviously its getting buffed
which will affirm this discord nonsense unfortunately
because everyone will point to that and say it worked
also 
tiny forge
ret in shambles rn
warm pagoda
Good
tiny forge
that'll teach em
surreal agate
This is going to be memed about for years
plush dune
this tier has been a banger for class discord shenanigans
i cant wait to see how it escalates from here
warm pagoda
i cant wait to see how it escalates from here
Waiting on us to have a meltdown
plush dune
we already got our everyone ping for whispyr getting hacked
tiny forge
lets shut down one of our discords, i bet whispyr isnt brave enough
plush dune
a more lowkey type of shenanigan but a suitable one for rogues
rotund gazelle
İs reshii wraps new heart of azeroth or will we get rid of it at some point
or like a legandary item
noble kestrel
You'll use it all tier.
Because you cannot do the raid without it, and it's extremely powerful. And there are no other cloaks.
warm pagoda
Because you cannot do the raid without it, and it's extremely powerful. And ther...
Crafting one out of spite
plush dune
gonna craft sporecloak on reset
worldly forge
i mean they are kinda down bad atm but this is psychotic behavior
I mean i imagine more cry babies than on Outlaw
Because there are sooooooo much more rets
mellow pilot
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/oW1pWaS0Hj @crude pilot
At least we get some recognition
mellow pilot
hello there
Are they veteran or champion?
I can't also remember where that npc is
mellow pilot
In theory only 13 keys are now needed to get to lvl 2 (the big one)
tight edge
yea i went a bit overboard
mellow pilot
just a bit
mellow pilot
brann level 100, halfway to rank 4 journey
Some people raid, others just play the solo content game
tight edge
word
warm pagoda
If I did that many delves I think I'd hate brann more than I already do now
tight edge
havent raided since my guild blew up in nathria, havent looked for another since
warm pagoda
Hit shadowdance, brann gets aggro, proceeds to run around and pick up 4 more packs
tight edge
the best is when brann olympic sprints into the middle of a pack to gather 3 flowers for you
warm pagoda
If I could replace him with a potion dispenser I would. He sometimes likes to shoot mobs I'm trying to stealth past
mortal wedge
BM is invalidated from suggestions
mortal wedge
mortal wedge
my mother use to play Resto healer back when totems were the thing so im just trying to get her back into the game as a dps
raid
probobly
warm pagoda
Destro I've heard is pretty chill?
mortal wedge
mm ill right all right
warm pagoda
I am the worst person to be giving advice here I am a full on rogue trick pony
But fatebound sin? Easy
tight edge
did he lose an arm or is he just really stubby
warm pagoda
did he lose an arm or is he just really stubby
Maximum stubby
ember saffron
my mother use to play Resto healer back when totems were the thing so im just tr...
devoker is a pretty solid contender for easiest dps iirc
noble kestrel
brann level 100, halfway to rank 4 journey
powerful. mad respect
mortal wedge
devoker is a pretty solid contender for easiest dps iirc
aighty aighty
ember saffron
its got like 4 dps buttons and one of them you just spam over and over like godzilla
mortal wedge
sounds perfect
she cant work no more so just trying to get her back into wow at least ler her spend her time doing something fun
mellow pilot
W son/daughter
shut vale
Also that auto combo system is really nice for older/disabled players
You still engage with timers and you will eat a dps loss but it’s awesome nonetheless
mellow pilot
One button rotation is cool
noble kestrel
Also that auto combo system is really nice for older/disabled players
Yeah, it's really nice.
I have a raider who has hand / wrist problems and it's allowed her to raid a lot more, more comfortably.
shut vale
I wish ff14 had it
I have a friend with the same issue
It’s a really positive system
mellow pilot
so might as well return the favor ay
Fuck yeah, really, it's so nice to see people taking good care of their parents
mortal wedge
big thanks though forgot about the 1 button thing
we played classic
but uhh
ye
Xd
mortal wedge
nah its the fact that most of the stuff just sits there
for you to beat it
she only stopped raiding in mop
so she expects the boss to do a little more then get slapped
xd
shut vale
Haha
I’m hoping that gets changed
With blizzard changing game framework around addons
We could maybe get some really cool fights
Surely not another decade of swirly into tank swap into swirly
shut vale
I hope my expectations for mythic are fulfilled and we get a cool legendary after clear
I know there’s all those rumors about dh void spec
mellow pilot
Nothing was datamined so I doubt a legendary will just appear
3rd dh spec would go hard
shut vale
I’d like to think I’m pretty into the leak scene
I didn’t see the axe from fyr aak
Did it get leaked?
mortal wedge
they mentioned it
prior no?
i thought they said your getting a legendary in next patch no?
shut vale
Did they?
shut vale
Interesting
I thought it was hot dropped
My only dissatisfaction with this tier is the aotc
mellow pilot
How come
shut vale
The aotc mount for this tier is a reskinned version of the final raid in bfas aotc mount
Yea
You know what
mellow pilot
Ohhhhh yeah you're totally right
shut vale
I’d like to see an int class get a legendary is all
I don’t play any
But I think it would be cool
mellow pilot
They had 3 already
mellow pilot
We need more daggers
shut vale
Not wrong about that
mellow pilot
We had fangs of the father
mortal wedge
We need more daggers
careful dont let the hunters hear that
mellow pilot
We need fangs of the grandfather now
shut vale
Evoker got fist weapons
shut vale
Is there no polearm legendary?
mortal wedge
i hope not
mellow pilot
Oh and classic with the staff
shut vale
Favorite children
mellow pilot
It's not mage only
shut vale
👍
mellow pilot
Ahahaha
mortal wedge
everytime i hear them say their class is bad leading to a patch it boots up somehow 2-3 tiers above what tehy rated it
i blame them for all wow problems
shut vale
Tangential thought, I really hope we get a tank next expac
mortal wedge
i mean i was dissapointed when we got dragons but no tank dragon
mortal wedge
blood dk with another for their collection
shut vale
I’ve been hearing whispers for months about a spellbreaker int tank in midnight but without proof it’s all just hearsay
mellow pilot
Since dks and druids can't use shields
mortal wedge
i mean spellbreaker would go so fucking hard
with blood elven heritage armor
wc3 spell breaker here to steal your spell
tight edge
anyone got that upgrade track flow chart image?
mellow pilot
anyone got that upgrade track flow chart image?
!up
ionic forumBOT
mellow pilot
This?
tight edge
no there was a crest flow chart posted some while ago
mellow pilot
Ohhhhh
tight edge
if ilvl, do this etc
mellow pilot
Wait
shut vale
We are overdue for a new race, a real, unique one, and a tank. I’m worried blizzard is gonna blizzard and we get housing, that’s it.
Knowing them we get high elves
Instead of something cooler with new bones
mellow pilot
if ilvl, do this etc
I can't fucking find it
tribal mantle
What is our best spec for raiding this tier? I cleared normal yesterday going in completely blind and performed dog tier (wasnt expecting so many ST fights so wrong build) do you think Sub will perform better for those fights than FB Ass?
mellow pilot
Just play whatever you want homie, normal/HC you can just vibe
Assa st is really good
tribal mantle
I will be Mythic raiding, but due to timing of patch, we've decided to delay Mythic prog until next week so I decided to have fun and go in blind
mellow pilot
Assa is good
tribal mantle
I guess we will clear AOTC next week and spend any leftover time on Mythic first boss
Yeah I guess I just need to practice more, rerolled Rogue this tier and definitely a lot of improvement to be made on my side
mighty hatch
Based
vapid pine
I'm here for a chaotic time, not a long time
silk ridge
so to get 60 gilded 1st week i need to do 3x delves for 21, 1x m+ for 15 and the rest i have to get from m+ dungeons?
or heroic raid last bosses, but thats not happening lmao
fiery coyote
ya
versed sand
hey guys i just did a t8 bountiful delve and opened the key chest and got 684 gear
wasnt it supposed to be 694?
fiery coyote
you consume the map and your next delve is upgraded
i dont remember if it has to be bountiful ngl
fiery coyote
You need rank 2 to get the map at all yeah
mellow pilot
I've got 9 kyveza summons that I can't yet use
silk ridge
summons are lvl 3 right?
steep dock
maps are 2
mellow pilot
summons are lvl 3 right?
I thought it was 2
surreal void
pally discord locked ret spec channels
because they are underperforming and i think? want to protest to blizzard
neon glen
blizzard HQ has called an emergency meeting
ember nest
i mean there are like 5x the ret pallies than rogues as a class
so you might think assa when it gets crazy
but multiply it by 5x
then again by 3x because of age gap
mods likely went cba on these kids
static epoch
wasn't there like
13% of just ret pallies at level cap out of all specs?
rare solar
Yeah
static epoch
ok no, that's pallies in general
but there are 7.2% rets from 39 specs in the game
rogue is like 4.4% for all three specs combined
ember nest
just look at logs lots of rogues are useless alts
must be even more rets
but maybe less than 5x who knows still way more than rogue
lets say this one
only 2 days and ret is almost double of rogue kinda checks out it might get a bit further but yea
imagine all of that crying power concentrated in 1 channel
ruby totem
pally discord locked ret spec channels <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
Its pretty bad and there was no reason for the changes blizzard made
Lmao
ruby totem
i mean there are like 5x the ret pallies than rogues as a class
I mean yah ret is fun to play and a streamlined forgiving rotation
They should make rogues better not make ret worse
ember nest
think they kinda gave up on rogue
unless they have more time and want to actually tinket with the problems it has
apart from being super bland and bad to level
ruby totem
They should shuffle devs around periodically prob
ember nest
likley lots of people quit rogue
ruby totem
Let fresh ideas get in
static epoch
tbh I don't get the "bad to level" complaints
levelling takes like 10 hours these days, it's literally not even enough for a tutorial on how to play the class
ember nest
if you havent played wow
you create a rogue
suffer for 10 lvls then quit it
create a hunter or pala
then enjoy
-1 potential rogue player
you wont ever hear from these people they just disappear
faint bough
you create a rogue
i failed at leveling so many rogues, then used my return to DF boost on one and now love it, but gah damn does leveling suck
static epoch
like if you had to slog through 150 hours like back in vanilla or TBC
then I'd get it (levelling Rogue back then was peak tho)
but right now you don't even feel enemies for the first 30 levels, I'd say, it only gets somewhat meh at level 40-50
ruby totem
This sticky Chanel lock thing is wild though
ember nest
like wow you dont even lose exp or items when you die
ruby totem
But yah ret feels like dogshit
ember nest
was a thing
when i was 10 and raided most of my guildmates were 30+
most of them would be like 60+ by now
people nowadays playing wow must be around 20 to 30 too
just they grew up with tons of diff games to play
why suffer through x hours of wow levelling
ruby totem
Wow players love torture its why we do mythic plus or don't unsubscribe when the developers get unhinged
ember nest
but the levelling thing is not only a problem with rogue
static epoch
well, yeah
ember nest
like you said people are clueless at max lvl
ruby totem
I will say rogue feels like shit in solo content
static epoch
it's just that people complain about levelling
meanwhile I've kinda accepted that levelling is not indicative of anything and you only start learning shit at cap
static epoch
even though I spent the last 10 years playing on vanilla/tbc pservers
ember nest
yea the thing is people dont accept
they can just play a diff game or class
so why bother with rogue
ruby totem
I think you can gain some insights into the basic stuff for the class leveling but the mqx level talents and such prevent you from learning til you have everything imo
However you shouldn't have to go download addons or read guides blizzard should have stuff in game to help players learn how to play the class
I dont think the assist is it- I don't think it fosters learning- i would rather they clearly state the intent
static epoch
assist isn't good for learning yea
ruby totem
Blizzard has got a free pass like forever but I shouldn't need wowhead to play the game
Assist is good for i wanna mash my button and watch a show
rare solar
so why bother with rogue
Bc its one of the only classes that lets me ignore most of the braindead mandatory combat in the game
Trash mobs outside and in delves
surreal void
Lmao
i mained ret all of DF and S1/S2 tww, we were doing great there a while. plus being a braindead spec rotation was nice on the hands after a lot of keys
they are indeed in a shit position right now, but i mean its week 1 of s3
complain, give it time
ruby totem
I mean yah I think its an overreaction by them but the spec is not fun to play in its current tuning
surreal void
funny enough, my buddy who started ret last season is still 2nd on dps in a raid, with a boomkin being top
but his dps in the raid are garbo
i know, i kept my ret as an alt and have not enjoyed it one bit. gonna keep it benched for a while
crude pilot
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/oW1pWaS0Hj <@96834520417828864>
W glaze
gentle cloak
