subtlety

[hallow mortar]

you just go with pug

[hazy breach]

Immediately

With guidon your dances are 10 gcds, aka both of them fill up the entire blades

[winged orbit]

So no more waiting for dance with sec tech?

[fossil forge]

i lost the sub apex proc black thingy

with atrocity update

any knows how do i turn it back on

[warm marlin]

Spell alert opacity if he doesn’t have some other way to disable it

In blizz settings

[chrome fern]

i think i will have bonus rolled everything but guidon before any guidon rolls from first boss for me 🙁

[fossil forge]

gg

[warm marlin]

Gg

[hazy breach]

Correct, that's a trickster only thing

[narrow lodge]

were you able to turn it back on or no

i had the same issues

[winged orbit]

So do I just wait for DN and then go for a dance or kind of just dance on CD

[fossil forge]

not yet

[winged orbit]

And when do I Secret tech

[hazy breach]

You dance either when sectech is ready or you can apex darkest night

[narrow lodge]

did the new buffs push DS over trickster or is trickster still the preferred build

[hazy breach]

Ds was already better on st

Now it's more better

[chrome fern]

is DS cancer to play like sin? or is it a fire and forget kinda angle

[hazy breach]

It is more involved than trickster

[uncut juniper]

yooo finally!

I can rest now

[chrome fern]

but like is swapping mark horrendous? or does it kinda just work when you want it to

[hazy breach]

Its not horrendous on sin either

You press the "swap the mark" button if you want to swap the mark

[chrome fern]

granted i haven't tried it since the changes

[hazy breach]

But also you only play it on st for sub

[spiral pewter]

should you always just send secret technique on cd or always wait for shadow dance? if they do get missaligned

[fossil forge]

if any1 with atrocity fixed this @ me pls

[hazy breach]

Its got significantly worse cleave than trickster

Which is the worst cleave in the game already

And the AOE doesn't impress either

[chrome fern]

potentially will consider playing DS again then

XD

[wheat edge]

You would never tech outside of dance

[winged orbit]

So what is the gameplay loop @hazy breach I got the opener fine, do I dance st then fish for DN procs?

[spiral pewter]

even if they are missaligned by like 5 seconds?

[wheat edge]

Ye

[robust dust]

i have 700 haste and my sim wants me to use the haste flask for max dam? why?

[chrome fern]

are you playing DS

[somber sun]

Mhm not the pug/guild sims being weeks apart

[vale pine]

new raid def. does not look very single target heavy

[robust dust]

ne trickster

[vale pine]

^

[spiral pewter]

because im starting to push 20's now in M+ and i do high 80+ parses until i get to level 19/20 M+ and then i do awful parses, wondering if me using technique outside of SD is maybe a reason for it

[wheat edge]

M+ parses are also probably not a thing

[fossil forge]

you have to go with pug + go last soak where tank suicide and pad adds

😎

[spiral pewter]

ofc they are?

[somber sun]

Ohhhh

[vale pine]

secret outside of dance does not sound efficient ^^

[wheat edge]

I mean they exist but also arent really a thing

[chrome fern]

is it even possible for sectec to be desynced from dance?

aka, you'll always be waiting on the sectec not the dance

[fossil forge]

do /aes > spell alerts > turn sub on

[spiral pewter]

never heard anyone say that before lol

[steel gull]

i sometimes end up with sec tec up but no dance charge

idk if that's a haste thing or something

i'm always confused as to what to do when it happens

[chrome fern]

is it a fat fingering a dance on accident?

[serene notch]

I think what they mean to say is parses in m+ have wild variance and it’s hard to control for things beyond just playing well like routing and group comp.

[hollow spear]

Idk m+ parses are kind of a meme imo

[fossil forge]

your kick score on carried io is the real m+ parse

[spiral pewter]

i mean they are a way to see how well you are doing against others in that level... ofcourse there is loads of variance but not much else way to compare

[wheat edge]

Also way less people uploade M+ logs

[chrome fern]

how do i see this

[fossil forge]

go carried.io

i think

and load up ur profile

its a meme site though

[wheat edge]

Yeah I mean I dont think thats that bad to do, just mean that you probably shouldt put too much weight on it

[serene notch]

Yea it’s a pretty self selecting group

[hollow spear]

How hard are you playing around sc your dn in your 2nd dance?

[wheat edge]

At the end of the day, timing the key is the goal

[chrome fern]

i'm loading, fingers crossed

[somber sun]

how much the average DS setup sims for? Just to get an idea (130k ? )

[sage ivy]

Sometimes its shit for speed to spam black powder and your "parse" gets cooked

[fossil forge]

scath was sending a sim yesterday with like 136k

i think it was ds

i could be capping though

[chrome fern]

https://carried.io/us/Frostmourne/Mommèmz

yoooo

72

idk if good or bad, but it's a purple

[sage ivy]

Wth is this site

[fossil forge]

ur score is higher than mine

ur smurfing

topkick

💪

[chrome fern]

topkick hahahaha

[main blade]

If only it would load on my phone

[fossil forge]

i have to grind for the

kick warlord

status

charrend tank was a kick warlord ..

holy gamer

[fossil forge]

https://carried.io/eu/Drak'thul/Monsterabuse

if we compare stats im a subhuman apparently

i would definitely not trust this site !

[chrome fern]

your keys top out a bit above mine tho

[main blade]

Nice

[fossil forge]

so close to 67

u have to troll abit

[main blade]

Yea

67 wouldve made me more happt

[chrome fern]

what has this world come to, that 67 is a better score than 69

🙁

[fossil forge]

my survival definitely went down like 30points when i started playing law

im like 3 weeks in im still kinda bootycheeks

[main blade]

Im infested with brainrot

[chrome fern]

what does awareness even mean btw

like kicking the right things?

[chrome fern]

oh not standing in shit

yeah i got that down pat

[fossil forge]

i love standing in poop

[chrome fern]

https://carried.io/us/Frostmourne/Sumèmz

there's my warlock which is a carry XD

all i got it my utility

[main blade]

Can someone check my rogue on there the search bar wont load anymore

Aszyrogue draenor

[fossil forge]

ur loading cuh

sec

[earnest crane]

https://carried.io/eu/Twisting Nether/Sübmarine

[chrome fern]

we got mogged on

[main blade]

Mogged by a submarine

[fossil forge]

wtf bro u need to lock in standing in poop??

my 2nd rogue big gaming

[earnest crane]

i m not gonna get carried

never

[hollow spear]

Sübmarine awareness level: 🛌

[fossil forge]

[fossil forge]

ur cursed bro

[chrome fern]

kek

[main blade]

Wallah wtf

[somber sun]

Only one leg to kick sadly

[main blade]

Surely overloading cuz too high score

Trust

[fossil forge]

[chrome fern]

they are double checking that the 100 inc is legi

[earnest crane]

i am a submarine without RAdar

[hollow spear]

What the helly is their expectation of cc

Blind on cd?

[fossil forge]

you have to cc on cd

and kick on cd

cooldowns have to rotate lil bro

lob in a occasional cheap shot every dance to maxx out cc

[hollow spear]

Me otw to kicking bolts and missing important interrupts

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-driving-serious-cat-driving-focus-driving-gif-16464288

[chrome fern]

i don't see the cc metric

[hollow spear]

Worried about depletes? ❌
Worried about kick score? ✅

[fossil forge]

✅

parsemaxxing

[main blade]

Keep a random mob sapped

Throughout the whole dungeon

[chrome fern]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[earnest crane]

if this is the logic of score for cc thats not vailed if its about ur performance

[warm marlin]

someone's gotta do it!

[fossil forge]

ok so the plan

u go

sap every mob in dungeon

and then u clear mob

from start

[wheat edge]

Kick bolt that could be spell reflected ✅
Kick cast that will wipe you ❌

[earnest crane]

and its based on my 10 last dung run which was boost runs 😄 ofcurse i dont use defensive 😄

[main blade]

Cc maxxing opener each pack stealth sap shadowstrike 7 combo point kidneyshot

[warm marlin]

every time i try this website it's always analysis error

very sad

[earnest crane]

i always kick reflectable abilitys for sure i dont like to be secend dps 😄

[hollow spear]

Probably noticed you exploiting the uhdk bug

[warm marlin]

the only udk bug that affected me was the negative ones bro

[fossil forge]

no us ppl allowed...

[warm marlin]

i got my 21 mt bricked

doing 20% less damage the entire key

[hollow spear]

Ryldd making uhdk look balanced

Brazy

[fossil forge]

it took like 20 tries to load up my main profile bro

[main blade]

Say that to my rogue

[fossil forge]

the site is hella scuffed

[warm marlin]

we also lost 2 pits to my magus going on a wild journey

and pulling shit into second boss

[hollow spear]

I hope you've called it Smoothlarry?

[warm marlin]

https://www.twitch.tv/bobby_oce/clip/FaithfulLaconicGrassBibleThump-Zg5HvaZUHtl8kb2c

this is smoothlarry v2

[fossil forge]

bro was on a mission there HAHA

[hollow spear]

Electric boogaloo

[warm marlin]

[chrome fern]

i didn't see the lil guy at first

hahahahaha

fuck that elephant in particular

this is one of my all time fav's

[warm marlin]

it is so good

im not sure its quite as good as the og smoothlarry

but its great

[chrome fern]

https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

i like this one

[hazy breach]

Do the elephants completely truck the tanks

[warm marlin]

https://imgur.com/hYeI19O

[hazy breach]

To me it feels like theyre insanely free % so it seems weird to skip it, but i must be missing something

[warm marlin]

the roar oneshots eventually (on their 24 vod the dh and dk barely live through blur/ibf respectively)

i think

the tank hit is also scary

tbh it doesnt make a ton of sense to me why they dont play the one with lust but they do play it on pull 3

scared of incidental damage from necrotic wave maybe or the bears comboed with mammoth

[hazy breach]

Ima be honest i didnt even know it scaled

[warm marlin]

rogue moment

[hazy breach]

I just feint

[chrome fern]

any 291 gamers yet?

[marble sail]

healers fold from them

[warm marlin]

we tried pulling the elephant on first pull in 21 and it was fine

[chrome fern]

or 292 idk if you can get 292

[warm marlin]

probably is just incidental damage

[hazy breach]

from what

The roar?

[marble sail]

yeah

bet they can live, they just dont

[hazy breach]

Fair

[warm marlin]

I mean you will never get more than 2 roars

[wheat edge]

290.81 or ur trolling

[hazy breach]

Just like fury warriors are allegedly as good as arms

[warm marlin]

so you personal -> zephyr

[hazy breach]

But in my experience they ALWAYS do piss damage

[marble sail]

ive had most of my healers get 1 domed from it because they arent topped/not defensives

clearly can live they just dont

[upbeat cradle]

current max is 291.25

[main blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1356307571878920412/image0.gif

[wheat edge]

I love watching noxiv tho, guy just plays his lil fury warrior in +23s, full default UI, clicks a bunch of spells

[warm marlin]

ive seen this one happen in real time

ppal moment

[chrome fern]

i need to spam some keys for crests, but im too lazy

[warm marlin]

ow

[hazy breach]

Yeah hes doing great, ive seen critcake and bizen also do great damage on fury

[marble sail]

fury owns in specific dungeons

[hazy breach]

But like i said in my pug experience theyre just awful compared to arms

[wheat edge]

yeah those 2 are also crazy, warrior is blessed with good youtube content

[hazy breach]

ouch

Id imagine aug struggles

[warm marlin]

nah

hover gives 10% avoidance

[wheat edge]

what if...

rune of the stoneskin garg / rune of sangunation

[hazy breach]

That sounds unwise

[wheat edge]

weaponswap to live based

[hazy breach]

Oh weaponswap

[warm marlin]

its sonic damage

[marble sail]

god give me back the gavel days

feral gavel was so fun

[warm marlin]

or does garg give hp

[chrome fern]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-boom-duh-no-obviously-gif-17835271

[wheat edge]

stoneskin garg is 5% stam

[warm marlin]

xd

I mean

[wheat edge]

or I think so since its all stats +5%

[warm marlin]

my experience with death knights is that they are not big into tech

i have seen approximately 0 of them swap specs before lura

[wheat edge]

also that should be buffed by the talent that buffs runeforging stuff right

[warm marlin]

when you gain like 10% burn damage

[wheat edge]

thats what I've been saying

[warm marlin]

I will get a duplicate of my weapon soon

and I can swap fdk for it

and go big burst man

[wheat edge]

thats why I invented the reapers mark into 3x rune weapon combo wombo

[warm marlin]

imagine our dk tells me week 8 of mfo farm

[steel gull]

nah it's just sectec having less cd than dance i think

[warm marlin]

"bro there's this crazy new tech where you play prism AND forge on nexus king!"

[wheat edge]

[warm marlin]

I will get a third weapon for stoneskin

surely this is genius

[hazy breach]

Hero class moment

[wheat edge]

paypal me after the rank 1 key is secured

[hazy breach]

Or rogues are just so used to being scuffed that we've just come to accept that tech and cheese is required to compete

[warm marlin]

idk mages do tech too

[wheat edge]

I still think no other class knows about tbc sharpening stone

[warm marlin]

and some of the other guys

[warm marlin]

surv def plays it

[strange harness]

Does someone knows on lurah P3 can i shadowstep on memory game on my symbol mate?

[chrome fern]

we just big brained, others are just bigbrainded

[wheat edge]

when I asked the warrior discord I got told its cause rogues have haste caps and using a 2nd oil would waste the haste

[hazy breach]

The hunters definitely do, but its not nearly as good on classes that arent using daggers

[plush roost]

Ye

[willow mantle]

how much better is sharpening stone vs phoenix oil?

[chrome fern]

idk about you, but i've never met a ret that knows what their utility does

[hazy breach]

A bit less than 1%

[vale pine]

not much, but its cheap enough to do

[hazy breach]

But you only use it on mainhand, never offhand

[willow mantle]

HUGE

[wheat edge]

I use it on havoc just because surely it cant be that bad

[hazy breach]

Ye idk about other 1h, but i think when i looked that it wasnt worthwhile on 2handers

[spiral pewter]

deathstalker changes happened already guyz?

[warm marlin]

I would bet that its good on havoc too but idk

[hazy breach]

Yes

[spiral pewter]

tyy

[plush roost]

Anything with a fast swing speed and autos that are majority damage share

Should like thr stones

Surprised they havent been patched at all

[hazy breach]

Very surprised ye

Its only been like 5 months though

Cut them some slack

[patent crystal]

Maybe next tier

[wheat edge]

well it will be autopatched by season 2 gear so

[plush roost]

Ye tru

Ilvl restriction gg

[chrome fern]

they nerfed them, they just put it in the D4 patch

[wheat edge]

My 3 agi shoulder enchant....gg

[warm marlin]

wait until dk starts using them

will be insta fixed

only the homeless chud specs like them rn so ofc its been 5 months

[wheat edge]

when the first frostbane dual wield dk uses them its over..

[plush roost]

I hope every dk that abused the bug gets banned because it would be amazing drama

And also fuck cheaters

[warm marlin]

based

[wheat edge]

thats what im saying, the phys god comp got rightfully banned for disgusting bug abuse!

[plush roost]

!!!

[warm marlin]

imagine playing a cheated necklace

[marble sail]

mega diserved, get out of the comp cheaters!!!!

[warm marlin]

trying to get a disgusting advantage

[plush roost]

Freedorki #shockingdisqualified

[wheat edge]

"haha guys they wont ban us its the same stats necklace" -> gets banned for cheating

[marble sail]

i feel like falling through the floor in NX should also be bannable

cant be exploiting like that

[plush roost]

Lost a 22 to that

[wheat edge]

out of bounds for time..

[plush roost]

Ex DEEEEE

[marble sail]

bricked my +4 resil to that.....

[warm marlin]

abusing the magus bug to use my minion to (instead of dealing damage) walk 8 miles out and pull 3 packs into boss with us..

[chrome fern]

maybe there is a good reason, but the MDI telling them snapping is not allowed, is just like... fix your game

[plush roost]

Snaps are cool too idgi

[marble sail]

snapshots is like the coolest part of mdi

necrotic wake enjoyers???

[warm marlin]

brh

[marble sail]

shit was so fun to watch

[vale pine]

they should do arkway in the dungeon rotation

[chrome fern]

"our game is fine" "if we dont show the bugs we dont have to fix them"

[vale pine]

would be fun to see a team pull the entire dungeon in one pull

[warm marlin]

if they didnt ban snaps rogue would eventually lose perma tricks

to doing some truly devious snap tech

[plush roost]

Good

Give us a real talent in that slot

[marble sail]

good, perma trix is a failsafe for bad rogues

[warm marlin]

??

perma tricks is goated

[plush roost]

How come fb and ds get mobility talents

[marble sail]

bad rogue detected

[chrome fern]

i dont have perma tricks

[marble sail]

⚠️

[plush roost]

And we just have tricks

[chrome fern]

kek

[warm marlin]

its giga uptime talent bro

huge

[marble sail]

uptime to big

nerf it

[plush roost]

Bad dk*

[marble sail]

10 minute trix

[plush roost]

Traitorrrr

[marble sail]

make it like the pvp talent so rogues become the new SP

[chrome fern]

what i wanna know is, why is ret aura possible, but we can't get poison auras

[marble sail]

[ripe flame]

singed q raid buff

[marble sail]

what would we just throw oils at people or what

[plush roost]

Yeah bro perma tricks so good in raid. 10% distract shroud cdr so good

Like dead talent choice node in raid lfg

[hallow torrent]

quick question, on paladins, when 2 targets, do i spend cbs on BP? or evisc?

[warm marlin]

ye u say this and then i watch another melee in my group die to getting autoed by the little smudgies on alleria p1

or gallywix adds

[plush roost]

But u can just press tricks during gally adds

[warm marlin]

too much brainpower

[patent crystal]

Hmmm

[plush roost]

Exdee

Perma tricks on outlaw tho

Very good

That spec is a aggro ripping machine

[warm marlin]

idk its nice to have a barrier against newly spawned adds murdering you

[plush roost]

Any jumper mobs monkaS

[warm marlin]

like the guys the dudes in mt spawn

[plush roost]

Ye assa is actually jesus take the wheel gameplay

In mt

Or nexus

Sorry my spatter just ticked off dp

And ripped

Mb

[warm marlin]

we are almost at the key level where i will actually die to getting meleed ripping threat that way

[plush roost]

Yeee

[warm marlin]

then again

our tank died with no brez on p3 lura this week

and i tanked it for like 25s

[chrome fern]

meanwhile, i keep forgetting to change my talents to elusive

[plush roost]

Casual dk things

[mortal arch]

I don't understand how dk talents survived the defensive/utility purge

[lyric lion]

is flawless form stacks on pull just RNG?

sometimes i have 5 sometimes like 2

[wheat edge]

hey lichborne lost its DR

or wait did it have DR I cant remember

[magic orchid]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up? (DS) / A supercharged combo point? (Trickster) - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[void ocean]

dk lost slappy hands, we barely recovered from that

[mortal arch]

you should be guaranteed to at least get 1 from the opening shadowstrike, 1 from sectech, then two more from the next two shadowstrikes (since sectech makes the next two unseen blades ignore the CD)

[little marlin]

Is it better to use 2 Myth daggers (I have Krick's Beetle Stabber and Edge of Burning Sun) with 2 Arcanoweave or a Crafted for Hunt and Arcanoweave?

[shell hollow]

Hunt+weave sims better for me but you should sim it for yourself

[little marlin]

The sims I was trying said 2 Myth but then I was looking at other top rogues on Warcraft Logs and they all had craft dagger so I was confused

[fossil forge]

peak spell

[brave moth]

If I dont get full value out of Shadow Blades in p1 on Crown do I save it for p2? I also get only one SecTec also

[vale pine]

offhand weapon slot is kinda meh, so its ideal for embellishment

[jolly folio]

Why do i wanna macro shadow dance with shuriken instead of secret technique as ds

[void ocean]

cus u start low cp

[jolly folio]

ah okay the answer is simpler than I thought it was then

[somber sun]

@fossil forge can you get 100 parse with the triple soak tech on chim ?

[winged orbit]

If I have 2 298 weps is the hunt embelishment still bis or should I look into 2 arcanoweave pieces

[hallow mortar]

you can sim it mate

there is not much of difference

[winged orbit]

i was hoping someone had the answer before i do

[void ocean]

i think u wont even notice the dif

[winged orbit]

okay thats fine less work for me ty

[vale pine]

your healers hate it ^^

[somber sun]

[sly shore]

can soak first

cloak second

cheat third

sureeely

or swap cheat and cloak

[hallow mortar]

fun fact is you dont need to do any of this for rank1

[sly shore]

yuh just kill boss fast

[warm marlin]

think you die if you try to cheat 3rd

[void ocean]

soak first but dont go away from bos till blades end xD

[warm marlin]

its double stacked debuff

[hallow mortar]

the way of parse there is going with pug with shitty dmg

[somber sun]

genuine question, when I soak can I start hitting adds or I need to wait for tank to get aggro ?

I never tried the first way

[void ocean]

u dont have aggro in dance anyway 😛

stiff breeze would take it away from u

and u have tricks

[somber sun]

gotcha

cause I had crazy downtime

[gusty ibex]

Whats the better Mainhaund Crafted one has Hunt on it

[hazy breach]

Always highest ilvl in mainhand

Always

[hallow mortar]

lovely

so many options, none of them matter

[void ocean]

I wonder if im gonna get gaze in the next vault now when the next kill is guaranteed gaze for me

[hallow mortar]

i got guidon this week

it was my last roll

but i rolled it from raid since nobody else wanted it in my pug

[void ocean]

I rolled only once for guidon so far, when my bonus roll timed out on chima

Damn id be having gaze now if that didn't happen

[hallow mortar]

myth guidon is prolly stronger than gaze

[void ocean]

How?

[hallow mortar]

idk sim it

[warm marlin]

doubt

if you're comparing to heroic item

[void ocean]

Flat agi increase from guidon is the only benefit

[hallow mortar]

ok i take it back,

[warm marlin]

ye the extra haste from myth guidon is kinda mid

[hallow mortar]

what i mean was voidforge of gudion was strongertthan voidforge of gaze

[warm marlin]

no new breakpoint

[haughty geyser]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void ocean]

Holup

[hallow mortar]

the guidon was like 0.7 for me and gaze like 0.5

[void ocean]

I was 2nd in roll for the guidon drop this week

Damn pugs

But i got 93 parse so i got that going for me which is nice

[lilac stag]

Guidon void forge was lower than offhand void forge.

[void ocean]

Gaze is fckin yuge

[lilac stag]

Mhmm

[void ocean]

I remeber gettin mythic prism and 6/6 barely beated champ gaze

[hallow mortar]

rn gaze voidforge is 0.6 and guidon 0.4 for me

[void ocean]

U like ds or smth

[hallow mortar]

offhand 0.2

so between 3 voidforges 1.2% total

[lilac stag]

Week 1 of voidforge when everyone was freaking out and playing tricky. Mh>gaze>>>oh=guidon

[hallow mortar]

it was both trinkets > offhand

[lilac stag]

no ideas what you’re running or simming with just snippets but whatever

It’s all pointless. The upgrades are free

[earnest crane]

is sub goodon paladins mythic ?

[hallow mortar]

they are

[earnest crane]

just want to try

[hallow mortar]

but offhand was never better than guidon upgrade

[lilac stag]

Sub is beta bench on paladins

[hallow mortar]

there was big gap between assa and sub on paladins, but it do not matter anymore

we are bottom with all 3 spec but most ppl play just sub there now

[upbeat cradle]

my two gear setups

feels good

i can just use haste flask for everything now

[hollow spear]

same

omega comfy

[upbeat cradle]

was a pain having to swap between mastery and haste flask whenever i wanted to swap

[hallow mortar]

i would actually play DS on lura if i wasnt doing crystal

[west tide]

anyonehave a apex cancel macro on hand

[alpine wraith]

/cancelaura Ancient Arts

[west tide]

oo ok tyy hehe

[void ocean]

Wheres that useful

[west tide]

big time useful as ds

[lilac stag]

Debatable

[shadow snow]

F ME, i got tired of pugging, i am doing 17s and people dont know mechanics or interrupts, i got stuck in elo hell in wow 🙁

[void ocean]

Where do we suppose to cancel Ancient 🐜

[west tide]

its mostly when u are at 1 mark and u want to keep backstabbing

for damage

[lilac stag]

when you want to make complex decisions for no gain

Ie backstab dmg

[west tide]

u can just cancel it so u make sure the apex is procced proper

its not too complex at all

the rest of the rotation is muchmore complex than just pressing cancel when u are backstabbing waiting

[void ocean]

I like how u denied complexity claim but not the uselessness part 😂

[west tide]

damage is damage baby

[somber sun]

sorry for the , is 900 crit (unbuffed) a bit too high for current sub setup? Am I better off dumping a bit of that into mastery?

[void ocean]

Well whats ur mastery

[somber sun]

820

no flask

oops

[void ocean]

Dunno, its probably alright

Wheres that meme about stats dont matter @lilac stag

[hollow spear]

you need 437 versatility to actually perform

[somber sun]

yeah im gonna go sim a bit

[somber sun]

ohh

could've said that earlier

I have crazy vers loot from all my rolls

can even go for 700 I think

surely I can blast after

[lilac stag]

It’s all copium. Any other time people would shit on a 1% buff. Folks are just bored, when they could have just been playing DS when it was 5% ahead of trickster instead of 6%.

[fathom adder]

any tips/recommendations for first time lura myth progress that i might not get from the guide?

[lilac stag]

I did something more productive. Geared the DK.

[void ocean]

Frost is insane for raid

And cant wait for the weekend to try breathbane in keys

[lilac stag]

will wait to see full week of raid, but the initial DS stuff on lura is barely better boss dmg and less overall.

[void ocean]

Didnt have dw till recently so kinda avoided breathbane

[lilac stag]

I don’t have 1h weaps so just 2h frost for now

I got gaze and guidon on reset

https://tenor.com/view/xxiisoul-thanos-gif-23843096

[void ocean]

Ye my dk has everything

Insanely lucky

Myth gaze, guidon, puzzle

Got myth ring from AA

[fathom adder]

are you going pure st for lura?

[lilac stag]

I got the shoulders as well.

[west tide]

ya i am best for my guild

[void ocean]

Ah yes, prog raiding

[somber sun]

" all you rogue "

[warm marlin]

i swear the class is blessed

[void ocean]

Is it me or i feel like most guilds will get ce before the end of June

[warm marlin]

everyone i know who makes it

gets giga rng

[west tide]

hero class thas why

they get loot buff

[void ocean]

I got both myth gaze and guidon without spending one bonus roll... And I raid pug raids mostly 😂

[warm marlin]

i got:
bis weapon on first vault (1 slot)
guidon first imperator run
gaze second vault
aa ring on second roll
lura neck first vault after kill
general highrolls from dungeon rolls

beloren ring first roll

oh ye my helmet from pit rolled socket too

[void ocean]

I got AA ring in 4th roll but before that i got box and 1h weapon which i also needed so it was productive

[warm marlin]

i am guaranteed full bis on that guy next week with all sockets

crazy work

5 weeks old

[fossil forge]

idk boss i havent tried it yet

we are lura only rn

[upbeat cradle]

parsing on dragons seems hard

no adds to pad on

[fossil forge]

just go on a boost

[somber sun]

lucky you

gl mate

[fossil forge]

or pray 4 dps die

[upbeat cradle]

what i did

[fossil forge]

my rank 1 log was the most scuffed guild run ever

[somber sun]

hahahaaha

void orb on you feint and go on nearest ranged

[lilac stag]

Our actual DK had terrible loot luck.

[somber sun]

" ahh sorry mb man "

on me

anyways I go back to blast

[fossil forge]

its not going well and the repair cost is big .

[somber sun]

just nerf the repair costs already zzz

[fossil forge]

📠

big

fax men

[warm marlin]

p1 wipe factory

actually is it even p1 anymore

reclear felt insanely easy with the nerfs

[native zodiac]

@nova cairn

works out perfectly delaying

[warm marlin]

is this p4 pot

[native zodiac]

ethical

should have p4 potted

[warm marlin]

wtf!

[native zodiac]

we boosted

didnt wanna troll

[warm marlin]

i had god rng and look what our lust guy does to us man...

it expired at 6:10 instead of starting at 6:10

[native zodiac]

holy shit

i would crash out

[warm marlin]

its ok hes a cool guy

unlucky misclick at the end of p2

the worst lust ever created

[native zodiac]

i wouldnt even get anything into that lust

[warm marlin]

Dk cds also come up at 6:10

[native zodiac]

are you fully committing to dk at this point

[warm marlin]

For now but I also have a dh

Trying to flex

[native zodiac]

i think mine come up at 6:25 with what im doing atm

[fossil forge]

we are like 70 pulls in

[warm marlin]

It’s funny

I also get knocked into p3 in the farthest possible spot with 2 priests

So spent all of lust walking back to boss

[native zodiac]

lmao

im missing hunters mark and monk on my side in p3

kinda cursed

[warm marlin]

Nah that is cooked

[fossil forge]

neverparse we dont have skyfury in raid

🥀

[warm marlin]

I would just play assa icl

[fossil forge]

never brah

[astral axle]

no skyfury is crazy

[fossil forge]

🛌

assa gaming

our shammy is on vacation rn

[native zodiac]

sub is just as sleeper as assa

[fossil forge]

sipping mojito

on a beach

as we suffer

in raid

[warm marlin]

Smartest guy in that raid for sure

[fossil forge]

would rather play law but thats still ass with no skyfury no

[warm marlin]

Ye

[fossil forge]

anlaki

[nova cairn]

Holy wtf

This is you blades on add spawn

[native zodiac]

ye

you need to get disorienting strikes from last pull

so you can sectech > coup

to pad your ass off

[ripe flame]

[fossil forge]

bro leaking the sauce

[hazy breach]

Pre-disorient is oldschool sauce

[fossil forge]

nah but the delaying cd tech

[warm marlin]

went hard on alleria too before the kill time incident

[somber sun]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[native zodiac]

ye alleria is criminal

im still missing a good log there

[warm marlin]

Me, a dumbass holding for 10s like prog

Little did I know

Vorelus was dead before 90s came back up

Can’t wait to hold them until 1:15 on farm wowza

[somber sun]

!log

[kind slate]

A bit of an odd question maybe?
My rogue's a Gnome and it gets 1% haste as a racial.
The 700 ish haste rating still applies right?

With guidon that is

[upbeat cradle]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[north schooner]

deepening shadows doesn't benefit from that racial so yes

[upbeat cradle]

yeah

there was a command saying that

forgot which one

:breakpoints

!breakpoints

[kind slate]

Had to sanity check

Thanks

697 haste, it'll have to do 😛

[hallow mortar]

damn tokin blasting again

[minor osprey]

where pov !?!?!?

:DDDD

i feel like im doing something wrong in between dances and cds

[sullen hare]

that is legitimately how I feel about some of the raidbots overanalysis I see in here from time to time for real though

[minor osprey]

i need to see someone doing like a whole fight with ds

[native zodiac]

im debating rn

we are boosting

surely i can hold right

[sullen hare]

!stats @upbeat cradle

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[warm marlin]

Idk do you have a spriest

[native zodiac]

we do

and he completly deletes this boss

[hallow mortar]

gotta get parses on first kills 😄

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hallow mortar]

i just checked lura P3 groups and tokin missing buff comment completely ruined my mood

[warm marlin]

Ye go next

[native zodiac]

when 2xmonk, 2x dh, 2xhunter, 2x dk is required on a boss

[hallow mortar]

our one hunter and monk not on my side 😄

[hallow mortar]

tbh nerf felt good, but we are back at P1 wipe factory for some reasons 😄

[hallow mortar]

what did you delay tho

[fallow ingot]

U played DS or not ?

[gilded ferry]

we lack this kind of content on internet though. we have a lot of guides of classes and bosses, but positioning, holding cds, understanding why some people differ in something comparing logs

[native zodiac]

just the blades on pull

after it should line up p well if you press sectech on cd

[hallow mortar]

like the perkz do?

[native zodiac]

hmm lemme see what he did

[hallow mortar]

he is #2

and i was thinking why he delay but did not get it

the thing is im doing crystal so im trying to have easy timings

[native zodiac]

ye hes doing somewhat the same

im doing 1 more dance in p1 and delaying blades a bit more in intermission

shouldnt matter much though

[hallow mortar]

yeah i would do that, but than the blades are "harder" as crystal carrier

so i like to shoot it at start of intermission

[native zodiac]

then you do the same as perkz p much

[ripe flame]

the 1st blades on p3 is like around 06:30?

[native zodiac]

6:25 yeah

[hallow mortar]

whats the point of vanish opener anyway

is it when you prestack sectech from previous pull?

[sharp flower]

So i was looking whats up with guidon vs ember feather from WRS?

[ripe flame]

🐐

[hazy breach]

Ember sucks ass

Because guidon can be used every blades instead of every other like ember

[sharp flower]

ohhhhhhhhh

lol

thx

[upbeat cradle]

paladins make me wanna shoot myself in the hand

[vale pine]

paladins as melee is tough

and sub is one of the worse dps you can play on the fight on top

good combination

👏

[twin quartz]

I wasn’t in an absorb soak group on paladins

Which made it such low uptime

Kept saying that anyone else should be brought, any ranged lol

[last briar]

do i evis or black powder on 2 targets if im running potent powder

[somber sun]

bp

[last briar]

coo ty

[lilac stag]

Strike to BP

[oblique grove]

whats the opener look like with ds

[upbeat cradle]

17%

[oblique grove]

is it posted somewhere and Im dumb

[upbeat cradle]

17% after 25ish tries

it's as bad as i expected it to be

i wanna try crown

[upbeat cradle]

shadowstrike evi blades dance storm sectec evi

something like that

[lilac stag]

both guides should show the opener if you select

[valid falcon]

how many targets do i shuriken storm instead of ss during shadow dance in aoe? (trickster)

[lilac stag]

Strike up to 3 targets in dance

#subtlety-faq

[valid falcon]

so 4 or more i shuriken storm

ty

[worthy timber]

maybe dumb question but crafted embelished items vs just full upgrading every item to myth track?

[hazy breach]

Embellishments are better than 3 ilvls

[lilac stag]

just toss the embellishments on shit pieces. Wrist, Cloak, OH

[worthy timber]

Have the on belt and cloak

[lilac stag]

Which is fine. You’ll likely replace belt though.

[tidal solstice]

i do cloak and OH so i can do full mastery crafted bracers/boots from engi

[upbeat garden]

How can I remove blizzard combo points ?

I have cdm who tracks them already

[tidal solstice]

need an addon sadly.

[upbeat garden]

which one ?

[tidal solstice]

i use matts action bar fonts to hide add mouseover hiding to bars and midnight simple unit frames to customize my frames

[dull swift]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[cursive tundra]

finally

resil 20

[earnest crane]

i got 90 parse but i was at buttom 😄

[fallow nimbus]

Is it possible to get raid debuffs on both luras in p3?

[alpine wraith]

left side is the real one

but idk if things like dh or monk debuff work on both if that is the case

[fallow nimbus]

This split shit sucks man

[golden totem]

doesnt work

only works for defensive stuff like atro

[tiny junco]

Hey quick question; On dragons and paladins boss, do I always use Black Powder instead of Eviscerate on 2 targets? With Potent Powder specced ofc. Sry if dumb question, I'm only 4 weeks deep on this class 😅

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

[tiny junco]

Okay thanks for answer!

[whole lichen]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tender heron]

Hey hey gamers, I was curious if any nerds could look at my logs and tell me what im doing wrong to not get better logs, this is my first time playing raids or mythic+, and while im sure my parses are good/great for a new player but I want eeeven better xD

Any tips? Also trying to find another guild where other people parse like me and not 20's, like my current guild mates xD

Tyvm!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/darkspear/rxcoon?difficulty=4

Also first time playing rogue ever, but it's great! 😄

[lilac stag]

Use !log with a specific log you want help with

[serene notch]

I hope I get guidon today and get out of box jail…

[fossil forge]

still being in puzzy b jail is brazy gng

[serene notch]

I was unlucky plus only started mythic raid the last few weeks….if I don’t get guidon today I will have blown all my charges on 1st boss entire loot table….of 4 whooping things 🙁

First 3 charges went to heroic….never got it T_T

Does pbox sim higher for you guys on regular 5 min patchwerk?

[peak ice]

Na

like 300 dps loss to switch to puzzle

which like, not much but still

[neat cobalt]

Is there a cap on mastery stat I need to look out for

Everytime I sim for dungeon slice it just tells me to overload mastery

[peak ice]

1350 or something is a soft cap

[short radish]

Not until next season

[tender heron]

Ty!

[manic glen]

If we already hit 1100 haste before oils, what else can we use?

[tender heron]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DBypZQWYJrt6LCP1?fight=45&type=damage-done

[serene notch]

Oils give crit too

But word on the street is TBC sharpening stones is secret tech

[alpine wraith]

usually if you are already at 1100 you can change some gems or jewelry

or recraft something

[sweet moss]

i swaer in keys sub pumps overall is it just bad cause not good prio dmg or what?

[hazy breach]

Its not bad

[edgy imp]

puzzle sims better in dungeons do i just use that over guidon ?

[hazy breach]

Sub is genuinely good in keys

Prio is completely fine

[serene notch]

I feel like we are really good in keys TBH

Kinda good all around…with the one exception of low target cleave

We are doo doo buns in 2-3 cleave

[sweet moss]

is that why ooutlaw/assa is better

cause of the 2-3 cleave

[hazy breach]

Its arguably not

[sweet moss]

which dungeons are we shit on?

[hazy breach]

None

[serene notch]

Interested to learn your perspective, I look at vanguard fight and just kinda cry

[sweet moss]

shitter*

[wet robin]

Sub is competitive across the board, but I’m just playing 15-16 range. Damage strong and interrupts goated.

[hazy breach]

That is not a dungeon key

[sweet moss]

im tryna ppush 18-20s

and been playing assa for them

but i see outlaw is like in giga high keys ect, and sub/assa lower

so just wanna know why rly

[hazy breach]

Because the top m+ players are outlaw enjoyers

[wet robin]

just play what you like? I really don’t think at that range you need to overthink it. Don’t die, get interrupts

[sweet moss]

that only reason? lol

[hazy breach]

If you go by top keys outlaw is literally always the best rogue spec

[sweet moss]

its more about group ivnties tbh

[hazy breach]

Even when its clearly not numerically

[serene notch]

Yea cause Zac is a chad

[hazy breach]

Sub is atleast comparable to outlaw, i wouldnt really dare say better, but its definitely not a lot worse

Fwiw the highest sub rogue has completed all 22s

And he is pugging

[wet robin]

Yes. Guidon more single target. Box is incredible for AoE

[sweet moss]

yeah fair enough

[peak ice]

Most on here probably aren’t running puzzle in ‘+

[wet robin]

no? It’s different on higher keys?

[serene notch]

That said this is the first time I have seen the top outlaw player also be top dps in a run. Vs being 20% behind.

[hazy breach]

Sub does not having massive swings in their dps based on how you roll your dice

[peak ice]

It’s comparable to guidon in m+ and it’s got a 3min cd and an unpleasant channel time

[hazy breach]

If you optimize for aoe you already get way too much mastery, which makes the box on-use+potion go way too heavy into diminishing returns

[shrewd lantern]

they're either outlaw enjoyers or rerolled dk

[hazy breach]

Typically better to get guidon so you can sectech twice in blades, and not have to delay blades or sit on box for a long time

[sweet moss]

is 1.1k too much for m+

or perfect

[peak ice]

1.1 what

[sweet moss]

mast

[shrewd lantern]

I mean outlaw is a unique playstyle so most people who really like it tend to hard stick to it.

Sin and sub are less so its not surprising people reroll more often

if they play those

[wet robin]

ah got it ok

[serene notch]

On pull 1 no lust puzzle box I find fitting in 2 sectecs too hard for me. Feels awful.

[shrewd lantern]

Can't say i blame them though, playing dk for a key then playing sub

is just like "Why do i even bother playing rogue"

[sweet moss]

i swear i top everytime as rogue

so idk

u yappin

[shrewd lantern]

i do in pugs too

[sweet moss]

in 16s and bellow tbf

[shrewd lantern]

its also just the fact dk outright ignores mechanics

[peak ice]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[shrewd lantern]

dead horse

get it

[shrewd lantern]

you can with 800 haste

should make sectech cd short enough

[sharp flower]

What poisons are we using?

[serene notch]

I know everyone says this, but on the opener no lust I’m just not good enough.

[shrewd lantern]

i forget how long st's cd is with 800

i think its less than 19

[hazy breach]

Also incase you dont trust me here is mr tomelvis himself

With the caveat that you kinda need to play with a shaman as sub, otherwise the spec feels ass

But generally all rogue specs need the full phys comp, because raid buffs are fun

[serene notch]

What I don’t really understand for me is it’s a lot easier to fit the 2nd sectec in the 2nd blades. Again no lust.

[shrewd lantern]

both blades should be the same if no lust

[serene notch]

Right?

Idk…I’m just bad

[shrewd lantern]

like if the cd of sectech is 18s

blades is 19

you 100% can fit two

[sharp flower]

Hi. Im a new rogue, im running with friends mostly. no shaman, should things be okay up until 19ish? or is sub just gonna fall hard w/o shammy?

[serene notch]

It always your 8th GCD that’s sectec right?

[sullen hare]

Sub really likes having a shaman around

[serene notch]

Assume 800 haste and pbox

[sharp flower]

If i dont have a shammy around, how can i expect to perform? Is the fall off extremely hard?

[sullen hare]

Naw it's just noticeable

[shrewd lantern]

idk i just hit things

[sharp flower]

Thanks for the answer. Yeah im sure the buff is quite noticeable. I appreciate the insight.

I wish there was a relevant video guide on sub, all of them seem to be 12.0

[radiant swift]

doesnt it hit after 1 sec

[sullen hare]

It's noticeable but I don't think it's nearly as rotation defining as it was when we were using the no premed build

[shrewd lantern]

bit of a delay yeah

[radiant swift]

however i always have 2-3sec left

[sullen hare]

Who's your healer? Mw? Resto w/ cat weave?

[radiant swift]

with guidon

[sullen hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFq6aAAg3Uo

You just gotta know what you're looking for

Video is from March so it's a little old and pins are gonna have changes since then as far as current bugs and recommended talents

I always try to stan my boy hacha though

[valid ocean]

!prepull

[wicked jolt]

Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Shadow Dance before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.

• Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press Dance early enough to have full charges on pull.
  NOT Recommended - Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully.
• Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
  Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than 1% damage gain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.

[peak ice]

How do you dance before pull?

[hazy breach]

You press the button

Like anytime except <20s before the pull

[peak ice]

Oh

I assumed that would pull it

Cheers

[valid ocean]

press your dance + storm macro

for vibes

[shrewd lantern]

you take a rez and press a dance

[sullen hare]

Yep

Dance while you're recuperating

[shrewd lantern]

same as tww except swap sod for dance

[sullen hare]

Exactly what I was gonna say. It's the same as sending a cast of symbols but since symbols is part of dance we just send a dance

[peak ice]

Do you aa on those extra supercharges then?

[radiant swift]

u guys talked about tww sub so much i started missing it

[desert oasis]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean mfs still talk about combat rogue

and that was 10 years ago

[tidal solstice]

finally got dragons down woot. wtb shaman

[radiant swift]

crazy no these old people

[peak ice]

I played it in the wrath like rerun

Dull

[radiant swift]

this sub does need a lil somenthing tho

[somber sun]

[swift tinsel]

Can start with the removal of haste breakpoints

[radiant swift]

for instance

but that wouldnt make it less dull

[north schooner]

I am instead waiting for assa to get them too

it's only logical at this point

[swift tinsel]

SoonTM

2 out of 3 rogue specs have them

[tribal blade]

whispyr would legitmately blow a fuse if sin got haste breakpoints

[north schooner]

they should make every spec have different haste breakpoints and use different stats so you can't multispec!

[swift tinsel]

Their time is nigh

[tribal blade]

from the sin channel being spammed with "how much haste"

[swift tinsel]

22% for outlaw, 700/800/1100 for sub, exactly 824 for sin to make gearing shit awful

And it’s different between st and aoe

Hire me Blizz I’m cooking with gas rn

[peak ice]

I love scams

[north schooner]

another noob clicked a link

[peak ice]

Classic

Horny milfs in your area click here

[somber sun]

wow token generator

[north schooner]

@hazy breach delet this

[somber sun]

false

I dont think a wow player would click on this

[peak ice]

wtf are people clicking on for this to happen

In 2026

[somber sun]

bis gear now !

[north schooner]

true sub players would instead look for horny femboys instead

[somber sun]

click and generate loot

[peak ice]

Like you just downloading random shit online? wtf u up to

[fast dome]

this video is SUUUUPER quiet.

[quaint lodge]

largest sub rogue buff ive ever seen just dropped

no repair on weapons

pogo

[peak ice]

Still takes damage on death though right

[fast dome]

thats a lie

[quaint lodge]

its in 12.0.7

[fast dome]

oic

[quaint lodge]

just dont die 4head

[sullen hare]

HUGE

[north schooner]

broke boys rejoice

[oak bear]

what does the raid st opener look like for deathstalker now? im struggling to figure it out

[fast dome]

Jeebus fuck, is this BEFORE Guidon/Emberwing?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[sullen hare]

yepper

[fast dome]

o.O

[peak ice]

Yep

[hazy breach]

Also wouldnt recommend to run emberwing

[peak ice]

Wouldn’t play ds if ur learning too

[fast dome]

its the best I have rn with alnseer sadly. haven't won a Mythic guidon yet

[hazy breach]

Generally better to just play another passive

[sullen hare]

it's not hard to get there if you're purposeful about it, but if you want to play with different gearsets you can be ds ST

[fast dome]

well raidbots is claiming emberwing is still best, is this a known incorrect issue or?

[hazy breach]

I mean its fine if you dont have anything else

Just not good, way better to get a puzzlebox

[fast dome]

not at 298

ive had BAD mythic trinket luck

...fucking puzzlebox

[somber sun]

missing on 1.5% too

[fast dome]

I'm hoping for Guidon this week. A bit torn on if I should bonusroll Mythic Chim or Mythic Imp

[somber sun]

sim

[fast dome]

oh good idea

[somber sun]

but I bet gaze would lowkey be better

[fast dome]

prolly

[manic glen]

Dragons we're just using Shur/BP then SS/BP during dance right?

[tidal solstice]

i just SStrike on dragons during dance but shur on adds/orbs

[somber sun]

hold your minor bursts for adds if possible

[tidal solstice]

to dragons:
no shaman 😄

[fast dome]

my current 285 Aln/298 LCG vs 298 aln/298 Emb

Looks like LCG is what I should bonus roll, for to get rid of the emberwing

Im currently at 777 haste after flask, Raidbots is simming with Shattered Sun for some reason 😕

[brisk onyx]

777