subtlety

[ember crane]

Yeah so Opener > Skip 2nd shadow > use on 3rd etc right?
And yeah will sim, was just more curious around if many people have used/use double on use vs a passive trinket.

[steel zinc]

You strike puzzle and then into CDs

Puzzle is pretty good in m+

But you want voidspire first boss trinket that has the biggest impact on your rotation

[ember crane]

Yeah double on use is simming slightly ahead (1.45k) from Puzzle/gaze.

and yeah been a little unlucky for LCG but luckily it is first boss so ez mythic kill each week.

[rustic vine]

Do we ever use shadow dance outside shadow blades?

[native zodiac]

Yes

[rustic vine]

I cant read rotation guide then lol

Ty for answer

[golden totem]

#subtlety-faq message
Maybe this wording works better for u

[sharp flower]

Hey guys; quick question how important is race (shadowmeld) for sub? is it super important?

Im a gnomenjoyer lol

[golden totem]

It's not

[sharp flower]

Cool.

[golden totem]

Enjoy gnome

[dusky yacht]

You may bite ankles good sir

[hollow spear]

If I played gnome, the first thing I'd do is race change

[hollow spear]

Ig you have to be a gnome if you're called Tiny

[sharp flower]

Whats your name/server so i can make it my gnomes life mission to snag u in pvp some day

❤️

[hollow spear]

If I was called Tiny I'd personally make a Tauren

[hollow spear]

Won't catch me in pvp mate, only if I need an item for pve

[sharp flower]

❤️

Im just talkin trash i dont pvp either LOL

Yo how does tricks of the trade work? If i use it once at beginning of dungeon it sticks on that tank for the next hour??

[golden totem]

If you are playing trickster hero talent yes, one talent is boosting it

[azure lynx]

Hey ! Do you know if we have a good funnel ? I'm thinking magister terrasse where sometimes some mob need to die fast. I usually go for highest dps, but I notice that it’s not always the best. I played assa at TWW and the funnel was excellent. Im pretty new to sub. Thanks !

[hollow spear]

We have no funnel

[azure lynx]

Ok that’s the feeling I had 😆

[hollow spear]

You could play ds, but it's much worse in m+. Meaning you'd gain prio damage at the major expense of aoe damage.

[azure lynx]

So it never make sense to eviscerate instead of black powder in a pack

Thanks for the reply

[sharp flower]

Thanks antok!

Also; i know warriors have a guide for what they can spell reflect etc; do we have one for our cloak of shadows / evasion?

[tribal blade]

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[unreal ledge]

gm gm

[hallow mortar]

Good morning

[golden totem]

It kinda does if some prio mob has a lot more hp and you care about timing the key more than ur dps, but it feels bad

[sharp flower]

ok so i did look at the pins

ima ask this with full humility and ignorance to rogue (i enjoy the way trickster seems to play)

this is bait, right? for m+ atleast?

[shrewd lantern]

Weird how neither of those say deathknight.

[unreal ledge]

DS only good in ST and its by like 5%

[rapid forum]

its disguusting how broken dks are

i swapped rog to alt and dk to main this season

rog and dk play different games

[spiral needle]

it's bait since it's a bit early to tell, check WCL in a week

there's a reason people barely touched it when it was already 4.5% gain

[shrewd lantern]

I love how we're AI generating clickbait now

cant even homebrew ts

[shrewd lantern]

it got buffed literally 1.5% on st

everyone started to bandwagon despite its been better on raw st for a minute

Kind of shows wow players fail to think for themselves ever.

[unreal ledge]

ya so its like 6% ahead total ST, it's sstill DS tho so not worth it

if we all refuse to play it, maybe they will get rid of it

[shrewd lantern]

playable on vora ig since that chud doesnt parry

[vale pine]

you play trickster in m+

[shrewd lantern]

I like how they ai generate thumbnails now

Any random turd can recite off the wowhead guide for yt clicks

[fresh lantern]

I'm starting to get pretty sick of content creators, so much bait, even from the 'big' ones.

[broken seal]

Actually do you think DS is worth it for M+ now ? Or maybe only for raid if you reach like 1k haste ?

[fresh lantern]

I can't see it doing better

Maybe some data will prove us wrong

[vale pine]

ai just acellerates the youtube slop

people before that already did essentially read out articles

[shrewd lantern]

its literally worse even in raid

[vale pine]

a lot of youtube videos are essentially just ripping off websites often without crediting

[shrewd lantern]

if you get any cleave value

idk why anyone wants to play DS.....

shit is even more boring

[unreal ledge]

i dont see it being good enuf yet

[vale pine]

ds does more evis damage

[broken seal]

Really ? Thought you would win 1.5% if you had like 1000~ haste for raid

[shrewd lantern]

so does coup

[vale pine]

and its better on the single target fights, like crown, laura, salad bar, etc

[shrewd lantern]

no boss is st

besides vora

[broken seal]

Okay

[shrewd lantern]

and well who gives a fuck about that guy

[broken seal]

Oh yeah make sense xD

[shrewd lantern]

I MEAN......

padding on lura is more fun than st bot

gives me something to do instead of wait for a crystal holder to jihad us

[robust dust]

Have Stats Changed on trickster? Why are some people Play 800 or 850 haste with guidon on trickster?

[vale pine]

not sure, there isn't that much benefit of doing so

[hollow spear]

Graf is a certified ds hater

Don't listen to him

Ds is the truth

If you're playing that shit in m+ though, not even Jesus can save you

[keen dome]

he speaks the truth, DS sucks

[small sleet]

Ds doesn’t have anything clunky or negative about it’s gameplay loop really, it just feels like a more nuanced version of the same trickster ideas

[gilded thistle]

with DS is there some tech where we should be trying to time darkest night with a supercharged point

or are we just spamming that shit and ignoring it

[small sleet]

You should be entering dance with darkest night, so you’ll always supercharge that one

[gilded thistle]

was really hoping the answer was "just spam shit and ignore it"

[small sleet]

Lmao unfortunately ds requires a little more thought than trickster

[gilded thistle]

what do we want the 1100 haste for?

just more gcds?

in sd

[azure lynx]

can you cloak the orb on the last boss of terrace ? I'm afraid it doesn't count as "the ball was receveid", might be wrong

[wheat edge]

Deathstalker doesnt have the sec cdr talent that trickster has in its hero tree

[small sleet]

Yea u can

[gilded thistle]

ah so we want longer dance

[azure lynx]

ok cool, I was afraid I was doing something wrong. Thanks !

[small sleet]

With 1100 haste you can consistently fit 2 dn evis’s in each shadow dance

[gilded thistle]

how much of a loss is it to not reach that breakpoint?

[small sleet]

Uhh I dunno, would just have to sim it

[gilded thistle]

bleh

not sure if I really feel like regearing for this

[small sleet]

You really don’t have to, trickster still does very good on every raid fight

[gilded thistle]

I'm not exactly doing insane parses with trickster as is

yeah

I'm guessing that's why the guide still has the trickster setup front and center lol

[tribal blade]

trickster is still the play on like 95% of all content right now

[small sleet]

Ds is just being talked about a lot right now because the recent minor buff made a lot of people realize it was better in pure st

[tribal blade]

and even on the bosses where DS is better, trickster is still good

[gilded thistle]

i got used to having like 1 interesting tech then pure brainless spam, I dont like this whole "thinking" thing DS has to do

[tribal blade]

it's not that bad

[gilded thistle]

I was a fatebound assass stan before this

[tribal blade]

haha yeah that's pretty braindead too atm

[gilded thistle]

yeah...

I mean it was last season even

last time I touched ds was in nerubar palace lol

[tribal blade]

i think sin had a lot more plate juggling in TWW

[gilded thistle]

meh, I've played nothing but assass for my entire adult life until literally this year

[tribal blade]

but yeah wasn't exactly rocket science

[gilded thistle]

now I enjoy sub a lot

cuz it's faster and spammier

and has zero ramp up

[jaunty umbra]

man tww assa was so good why did they change that

[gilded thistle]

idk if I'd call it "so good" while the m+ situation was so janky still

[wheat edge]

Would say its just a better version of it atm personally

[gilded thistle]

yeah I agree

[tribal blade]

the main issue i have with sin atm is the energy cost of CT

[gilded thistle]

plus the tier bug was so fucking silly

in MFO

insane they never fixed it

[tribal blade]

yeah the sin bugs were next level

[wheat edge]

I do kinda like planning around it tho cause if you know adds are coming on a specific timer you can pool pretty decently

[gilded thistle]

actual meme chance of parsing way better just because your game broke in your favor every pull

[tribal blade]

yeah i hear that

i'm sure if i actually played sin more it wouldn't be an issue

but with the little i dabbled in sin it just really tilted me every time i bricked my energy with CT

i'm looking at lura and atrophic is mitigating way more dmg than both devo aura and motw

[small sleet]

Motw only 1.5% dr, and devo will miss half the raid during p3

[tribal blade]

we're not getting to P3 yet, just P1/2 wiping so far

i just wanted to look because i was curious

at how "useless" atrophic is haha

[small sleet]

I mean atrophic should be doin 20% more than devo

[west tide]

ya jist make sure you are left side so the dr poison works in the that phase

[tribal blade]

looks around that yeah

[west tide]

sub owns so hard man its actually suchba good sub fight esp ds

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm on left 😉

[west tide]

trickster is also good

but man the st is fuckin absurd as sub rn

[tribal blade]

i unironically need to play trickster

to make P1 consistent

[west tide]

yeah thats good af for prog

[tribal blade]

my raid team in general has a lot of people who do 0 dam

[west tide]

we have double dev dh they just blow it up

[tribal blade]

both our devs are gray parsing atm haha

while doing crystals though

[west tide]

tbh tho the dev doing big dam on the adds depends on speed of grips and the kicks beforehand

cause if u sre slow to grip they will star onto nothing or barely anything

[tribal blade]

ahhhh gotcha

[small sleet]

I’m doing crystal and I don’t feel like I lose any damage for it so they just stinky

[tribal blade]

HAHA damn

oh wait are you playing dev??

[small sleet]

No I’m playing sub rogue

[tribal blade]

ohhh ok

thought i was losing my mind for a sec

[small sleet]

Doing crystal just shouldn’t lose you any meaningful dps if you play well was all I meant lmao

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure

well one of our devs i know him quite well

he will do 0 dmg

to do mechanics correctly

[small sleet]

That’s preferable tbh

[tribal blade]

always been like that

[tribal blade]

true

the main issue becomes when i stepped into crown prog completely fresh pre the big nerfs when my guild had progged the whole fight already

we get to the end of the fight and hit the enrage

and i am out dpsing the entire raid

on my first night on the boss

it's kinda like that

a lot of the time

[small sleet]

Yeah that’s a bit unfortunate lmao

[tribal blade]

i love my guild, but we have quite a few people who do 0 dam

my RL always says "you just need to have enough dmg"

which is mostly correct

but also

if you have everyone absolutely blasting

you make everything WAY easier

but so far on lura i don't think throughput has caused us any major issues

it's mostly just glaives/crystal carrier fuck ups

[small sleet]

Throughput can’t save you any pain until p3

[tribal blade]

lol i hear that

yeah that's where dmg becomes important

[upbeat cradle]

@wheat edge i did it lol

[tribal blade]

we'll probably ahve to suffer in P3 more than other guilds

[upbeat cradle]

Well it's better to have people doing mechanics perfectly than blasters dying non stop, but it's even better to have blasters that do mechanics

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure

[upbeat cradle]

My guild has non blasters that don't do mechanics

[tribal blade]

HAHA

that's the holy trinity of depression

[upbeat cradle]

#blessed

That's fine we're not aiming for CE anyways

I mean maybe they are, I'm not, i know we can't with the current rosters

[tribal blade]

who knows you guys could do it

with enough raid nerfs and the ramping raid buff

and new borrowed power coming out

AND sporefused gear

who knows

[upbeat cradle]

Honestly? When the dps don't know what the North/true north is

I find it hard to believe

All the gear you can have won't save you from a giant fear in the whole raid on dragons lol

[tribal blade]

lol that's fair

wait are these the people who can't tell where raid markers are

i think we may have had this convo before

[upbeat cradle]

Nah i'm just chilling with my friends on raid nights for the vibes, if the boss dies it's cool, if not well i still played

Yes

[tribal blade]

yeah that's a good attitude

[upbeat cradle]

They multiplied since last time

Went from 1 to 3 players

(got two new tryouts)

[tribal blade]

fingers crossed they're good

[upbeat cradle]

Well they don't know where the North is

Maybe they play with rotating map

[upbeat cradle]

Holymoly gearing up a second rogue, needed 3 rolls from a dungeon, out of 8. 5 rolls in still haven't gotten a single item i needed lol

PEAK

Was hoping to get it done quickly because there is a second dungeon i need to roll for too but heh

[tribal blade]

yeah i've noticed this very clear divide between who likes the bonus roll system and who doesn't

and it's based entirely around if they got rng screwed or not

[upbeat cradle]

Oh btw did you know you can roll multiple times on the same raid boss in the same week if you rekill it ?

Altho probably only in heroic

[finite pelican]

whats?!

[tribal blade]

yes! i do know that

[upbeat cradle]

That's kinda my specialty

[tribal blade]

my guild figured that out on heroic

when someone was saved and could still bonus roll

[upbeat cradle]

My main rogue ? 7 rolls to get NPX ring set

My second rogue ? Well on his way to be like that

[tribal blade]

yeah i guess if you want to speed run getting gaze on an alt

[upbeat cradle]

But mythic has lockout right

[tribal blade]

you can just do multiple mythic chim kills in a week

and get it

[upbeat cradle]

So you can't farm chimaerus mythic

[tribal blade]

oh

wait i'm stupid

I'M ACTUALLY A MORON

nvm

[upbeat cradle]

Haha yeah i had the same thought and was like

Wait

I think i forgot something

[tribal blade]

ok yeah heroic you can do that haha

[upbeat cradle]

Altho, heroic gaze with the item boost is probably still useful

But i'd rather roll for mythic

[tribal blade]

yeah especially if mythic is out of reach

bonus rolling heroic is the move

[upbeat cradle]

Not that it matters that much, the second rogue is outlaw and i'm notoriously bad at it, so x% of nothing is still nothing

We got paladin mythic down to 20% yesterday tho

[tribal blade]

HUGE

[upbeat cradle]

So i may be able to see alleria before seasons ends ?

[tribal blade]

absolutely

[upbeat cradle]

Still felt miserable during that fight

Kinda like how i felt fighting crown heroic the first time

[tribal blade]

yeah it sucks for melee

[upbeat cradle]

But worse ?

[tribal blade]

and rogue does no dmg

but it's not a dmg fight

it's a live fight

just live and the boss dies

[upbeat cradle]

I mean yeah

Dragons are just a positioning fight

Some people would raid much better if they played ff14

Their raids are legit dance choreography

RL told me they bought me for the DR poison and I didn't put it on, nobody noticed

I really am the worst

[wheat edge]

Beastmode

[upbeat cradle]

It fits with my adamantine sharpening stone and +3 stamina on gloves

Why play TBC classic when we have TBC at home on retails

[short radish]

Based

[zenith flare]

I just found out the shadow dance trick before raid pull i feel so stupid

[upbeat cradle]

Do you reckon if i start adding dad jokes in notes when I apply to keys I'll get accepted more easily

[astral gust]

Is it worth dropping trix after buffs?

[tribal blade]

absolutely not no

realistically you're only going DS on a handful of raid fights

[astral gust]

Thx

Mythic plus

?

[tribal blade]

DS is horrible in keys

trickster way better

[astral gust]

Thx

[tribal blade]

basically DS will only be played for pure ST situations

[tribal blade]

LOL nice

[short radish]

wait till you find out about the recklessness prepot before m+

or escalating blades

[tribal blade]

oh wait a second

so you hit reck prepot

and it doesn't overlap with light's potential?

[short radish]

yup

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEESH

cool

[short radish]

wait till you find out about equipping a gear set with haste heavy so you have 12 second dance without using TFD for 7/8 dungeons

[tribal blade]

i'm dying

[alpine wraith]

haste set is to proc haste on reck pot

becasue guidon does not reset on key beginning

[short radish]

yeah someone mentioned it earlier today

so you sit in a haste heavy gear set. press reck 2 seconds before timer and equip your real gearset

so then you can go into the next pull with a 12 second dance and lights potential

[tribal blade]

jesus

[short radish]

i mean you could also go into it with a shit ton more mastery

but the reckleness "snapshots" better with dance

[tribal blade]

yeah i would just do the mast tbh

imagine you accidentally start the key early

[short radish]

so like on dungeons where youre pulling in the first 5 seconds (MT/Seat/Skyreach(?)

it's 30 second reck

28 seconds on key start. 10 second timer

18 seconds

pop dance in first 5 seconds

and your next dance should also be able to snapshot the haste from the reck potion

arguarbly for WS i think the snapshotting haste is also better than the mastery

because you have 10 seconds of grouping pack as well

well

probably like 15 seconds before you acutally hit the mobs

so 5 acutal seconds of reck pot

may as well get the snapshot

[tribal blade]

that's true yeah

[short radish]

acutally WS i dont even hit mobs till 22 seconds according to my log

but yeah

tech

[tribal blade]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/howling-fjord/Салатисос

our boy is finally haste pilled

unless this is his raid gear set

[short radish]

the exact 682

[tribal blade]

he's a MACHINE

i'm looking at the #2 chinese rogue

hard to tell because i can't see his wow page, but i think he's also going for 684ish

judging on how much haste he has on his gear

[short radish]

meanwhile im out here with 710 haste

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing they're getting into the super high key territory

[short radish]

its so jover for me

[tribal blade]

bosses are taking a long time

and playing low haste sub is inting your boss dam

[tribal blade]

10 haste over, calling the cops on you 1 sec

[short radish]

weeewooo weee wooooo

[modest river]

anyone here sims near Fuus 130k sheetsim?

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SMGrIaals

[tribal blade]

i legit have no idea, i don't really pay attention to sim numbers much to be completely honest lol

[sly shore]

I have 671 haste it's so joever

[hollow spear]

Fuu has vantus rune and pre dance in expert mode

[sly shore]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5r6KN3HzVqM71P4KwRbh9c

[hollow spear]

If you sim regularly you cannot get close

[modest river]

ah

[sly shore]

vantus rune and pre-dance

[hollow spear]

I'm simming at 136k or so

With these things

[sly shore]

this is trickster

[hollow spear]

Booo

[sly shore]

I need to get some items before I can even think and DS

and even then I don't want to think about it

[hollow spear]

Haha

[modest river]

honestly trickster is what im looking at, im at 120k with 290 ilvl so in a bit of confuse

but im guessing its the expert mode things

[hollow spear]

Idk, put a vantus rune

[hollow spear]

And see what you get

The pre pull thingy is like max. 1%

[sly shore]

it's like 400 dps for me

it's minimal

[hollow spear]

120k sounds low

[sly shore]

probably super unoptimised gear, it's w/e

[hollow spear]

It's literally over for them wdym

[open fulcrum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cPT9ST8f94miE8HcQmQFQC

[hollow spear]

Eh that's ds

[open fulcrum]

I'm stupid you asked for expert mode forgive me..

[modest river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ebXLN2ChzQicXN27VqYJHJ

while its not the most optimised gear, i cant be misssing 10k dps somewwhere

[hollow spear]

You read the part about vantus?

[modest river]

yup

[hollow spear]

Yeah, so it's not 10k, is it

[modest river]

damn, didn't expect such a redundancy in a morning conversation.

is vantus plus pre pull 12k dps?

[hollow spear]

I am expecting someone to put in a minimum of effort to come up with a real number

I gain 6k from a vantus rune alone

[worldly root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nn1EN4bzr6pabA4cNiS4qY
anyone here sims near Fuus 130k sheetsim? Gear not the most optimised*

[dusky yacht]

Hmm

[hollow spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/epzp6R4d4PqDEewvE1Cy5r

[dusky yacht]

I haven’t normally simmed in ages lmao

[hollow spear]

I do and I don't have ring set nor mythic neck

[hollow spear]

I wouldn't call 873 haste with a guidon equipped "not the most optimised"

you're basically pissing away almost 200 points of secondary stat

[sick swift]

If I'm already BiS in trickster should I try super hard to pivot to DS for the fights that want pure ST (I am missing mythic guidon and eternal voidsong, but I do have them hero)?

[hollow spear]

Do you have a heroic lura ring?

[sick swift]

Not yet

[modest river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kZx2DkbTyFcUFVnYf1R8ny

closed the gap a little i guess

still, ive never had 873 haste

[hollow spear]

Yes, that one is on me, I apologize. I had haste flask active due to both trickster and deathstalker using it in my gear profiles.

Then again: 5 crafted pieces, one heroic piece, neither the alleria neck nor the ring set

[raw wadi]

Fuu's Sim is with checked vantus buff. That will be your difference to 130k

[modest river]

its checked for me as well, let me resim

[hollow spear]

it's 126k with vantus and prepull

[raw wadi]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h4Zj56wV92fK7ZRE9fnQS5

[modest river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wXUZPGfFt31eNadKbEMRcH

yup, now to account for the 4k dps

[raw wadi]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xggGfAtKMXzuYykPtdMybx

[hollow spear]

^

[opal lake]

also have to think from the looks of it you're missing 2 sockets currently

which is about 600 gain each

[upbeat sorrel]

was looking at lura kill rankings and found something weird anyone know what im looking at here

are these real characters?

[raw wadi]

Not sure but i guess fuu is also not even close to 700 haste.
And his dagger is also without haste. Maybe there is something wrong in the sim.

[hollow spear]

No, the sim is just superhuman

And needs less haste

[modest river]

sim accounts for lesser haste, we need to account for slightly more for the delay, so thats another bit of dps, good shout

the sockets and neck and 300 dps per crafted item replace would bring me almost at the numbner

[opal lake]

if you want to add it here is the header

raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=supercharge_1,first=0,cooldown=999999
raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=supercharge_2,first=0,cooldown=999999
iterations=100000

[modest river]

k ty for help dudes

[raw wadi]

Fuu Vs you -> double mastery weapon enchant

[modest river]

itll probably change with slightly different gear, but ive simmed it in top gear

still showing different chantss

[raw wadi]

Also you sim 7 min Fight length

He simms 5 min

[modest river]

my sims at 5 mins, thats not it

[vale pine]

enchants, flasks, weapon runes, race is something people often have diffrent

[modest river]

yea figured it out, 126k is way more dealable than 118k mentally, needed to know what i was missing in the sim and gear

[drifting ether]

Bruh apparently i never grabbed the march raid buff and we already killed belo

[short radish]

🤡

just take comfort

you are not the only one

to do this

[somber sun]

fim I need DS vods go and upload some

[tall girder]

fim that guy is my raider

[graceful osprey]

Wait….what do you mean grab the buff? Isn’t it automatically applied?

[cinder nimbus]

@dusky yacht any pro tips?

[hazy breach]

You need to grab it once

Then it updates every week

[graceful osprey]

Errr…I might need to check if I even grabbed it lol

[upbeat cradle]

Boss damage was chief kiss

[drifting ether]

Should be auto

[modest river]

grab buff once and forget about it is the vibe apparently

[somber sun]

tf

im getting same damage and top 1 and still have 80-90 parse

whats your secret

[drifting ether]

Didnt need it to top belo 🤣

[upbeat cradle]

That's boss damage not overall dps

You need to pad more if you want better parses overall lol

[somber sun]

not like I already tried

[shadow snow]

!logs

[somber sun]

is the aug evoker in comp mandatory ?

[upbeat cradle]

I don't have any in my raid

[shadow snow]

Can anyone help me reviewing my logs? I cant find why my dps is low sometimes

[upbeat cradle]

I really need to work on DS rotation tho. Did 108k with it against the 115k i usually do on trickster

[wispy crystal]

anyone know i feint works on the Baloren orbs?

!feint

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[wispy crystal]

the link is deleted for !feint command

[vale pine]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTTQYfxWGfFIObF6KDnmU22xBG3N53gT5CnIof04jJNYb7VjOV6hHyczolUg-F5joUerqVu9ysk7z_e/pubhtml

[wispy crystal]

ty fuu!!

[dusky yacht]

Huh

[lean bone]

am i stupid or there is 0 info on the current raids in the table?

[wispy crystal]

i think its not updated yet

i see M+ only

[raven plinth]

"So is Sub Rogue hard-locked into Deathstalker for Mythic raiding now?"

[dusky yacht]

Absolutely not

It’s better in ST, two gear sets or at least the DS set may be preferred, so you can do both.

But Trickster is still better in AoE and many encounters are, at least to some extent, AoE.

[raven plinth]

Thanks for the reply. Re-gearing for 1,100 haste just feels like too much of a pain, though... 😭

[dusky yacht]

I’m playing Trickster until I can comfortably switch between the two without too much hassle, likely after crown is on farm.

Note that you can also use haste flask with DS

[vale pine]

raid tab seems to be not updated,y e

[warm marlin]

Doesn’t work

Doesn’t work on intermission triangles either

[tribal blade]

damn well it sure did give me a bit of dopamine hitting feint on both those things thinking "i'm doing my part"

[wispy crystal]

oh thanks for that. the balls are considered single target?

any idea if it works with talented elusiveness then

[wispy crystal]

yeah lol. made me feel like im doing some big boy plays helping the raid out

[tribal blade]

evlu works on everything

[warm marlin]

It will always work with elu

[tribal blade]

the 20% part

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[warm marlin]

You may need cheat for soaks or something

[tribal blade]

yeah depends on what strat your guild is doing

and who is soaking what

just hope you're not like me and have to soak the first set of balls on pull

and miss half the padding on birds

[wispy crystal]

yeah i play cheat death just in case i mess up.

sad to hear feint doesnt do anything hha

[wheat edge]

You telling me I could just tank 3 or 4 orbs natty

I was pressing feint

[cinder nimbus]

Any pro advices

[vale pine]

pro advise for what

a specific boss?

mythic+?

deathstalker/trickster rotation?

[modest river]

second dance in blades when 8 seconds left or supercharge ST?

[upbeat cradle]

you always play cheat death in raid settings

elusiveness is much better in m+ only

[upbeat cradle]

when 8-9s left on blade

unless DS

[vale pine]

8 sec left on blades

[upbeat cradle]

if you're playing DS it's different

[drifting ether]

I was actually missing this the whole time oml

[vale pine]

you also would not aim to have secret in 2nd dance as DS

as more damage is in DM compared to secret

[somber sun]

is it like at 10 sec left ?

[upbeat cradle]

i don't think i have it either

[vale pine]

you would just dance a 2nd time in blades

[upbeat cradle]

it's after first dance ends, but make sure it overlaps with a DN evi

i think

i'm still learning DS

second sectech is just after blade, and it should lines up with shadow dance coming back anyways

[dusky yacht]

About what

[cinder nimbus]

Gear/Rotation/Positioning/cds/how to play better

[dusky yacht]

And don’t ask me I barely know how to breathe

[cinder nimbus]

This

[cinder nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/273865344387383296/542328921975160834/2019-02-05_14-00-54.gif

[dusky yacht]

I’m the dead guy

[upbeat cradle]

like me fr fr

[dusky yacht]

[upbeat cradle]

i'm the carpet on the ground

[somber sun]

aint gonna lie, just get some reps in

[upbeat cradle]

soaking on gloom as a gnome in melee is so hard, they don't see me and just stand next to me and i die 🙁

[dusky yacht]

Do you even training dummy 5 min vs sim 5 min to 95%+ all night bro

^ me when I was learning sub at night on dummy

[dusky yacht]

Have you tried not being small idk

[upbeat cradle]

debating race changing but i'm Jeeves the mechagnome, kinda my brand

if i race change the name won't fit anymore

[dusky yacht]

Jump maybe

Or like

[somber sun]

I was training for 6h straight on dummy too to impress my raid ( 12 parse )

[upbeat cradle]

i should ask the RL to put a sign on my head

[dusky yacht]

Easily noticable tmog

And orange nipple mark

[upbeat cradle]

SURELY

you can notice a baguette wielding puppy

[dusky yacht]

Literally camouflage at this point

[somber sun]

[upbeat cradle]

i'll probably go back to the orange or brown one

[somber sun]

dont they see your name tho ?

like on top of your char

surely

[upbeat cradle]

i wouldn't blame them for that, i deactivate allied nameplates in raid

unless i heal

||which is never||

[cinder nimbus]

I cant see gnomes am i blind?

[upbeat cradle]

nah we're just stealthed

[cinder nimbus]

I cant see them even when they're unstealthed

[upbeat cradle]

guys have you seen the big buffs coming ? bet they'll change nothing to the class/specs people want in their keys anyways

[cinder nimbus]

Yh

[wispy crystal]

sorry what buffs?

[upbeat cradle]

Buffs to lots of hero talents tree that are not used and will probably be used only by outcasts

[vagrant sinew]

those buffs went live 2days ago

[hazy breach]

Also theyre not intended to "change anything" about the meta

Theyre there to make the worst hero talents slightly less bad so you wont be as far behind if you like playing them

If they made tuning adjustment that made DKs bad in m+ a lot of people would be very upset since theyve spent a bunch of time rerolling and gearing to be a meta class, so blizzard doesnt really like doing those types on changes

[flat beacon]

Can someone explain why deathstalker needs so much more haste ?

[sly shore]

because trickster has reduced cooldown on secret technique

that deathstalker doesn't

[hazy breach]

Also longer dance to more reliably fit 2 darkest nights in every dance

[flat beacon]

Oh I see Ty!

[glacial basin]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up? (DS) / A supercharged combo point? (Trickster) - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[zenith flare]

Should I be going into Shadow blades with 5 stacks of flawless and also how do guarantee that i do so

[hazy breach]

No, flawless form is not something you should be paying attention to at all

[analog granite]

I don't get why they don't just buff other dps specs tho

Like dk and devourer are a certain amount of % ahead of other dps

Why not aura buff the other dps to bring it more in line

[hazy breach]

Thats what they do

[analog granite]

But they stop before all dps spec are somewhat equal so it seems like they actually want some specs ahead of others rather than on equal footing

[tribal blade]

they have the philosophy of not shaking up the meta too much

[analog granite]

You could give devastation evoker like % overall buff and it would still be shit probably

[hazy breach]

Well again, youre assuming the goal is for them to be equal

[sly shore]

usually it's withing +/- 5% I think?

[hazy breach]

The goal with tuning changes is to make players happier/less upset about the current balance of the game.
If you make another spec better than DKs, all the people that spent time leveling and gearing a DK will be upset that its no longer the meta spec. That doesnt really fulfil the goal

[warm marlin]

not all of them!

end the dk reign of terror

[hazy breach]

We saw it a bit with the random insano guardian buffs, but tank players often already have all/most tanks levelled and/or geared, whereas dps players generally dont

[warm marlin]

I think a little bit of it is that it is so so easy to gear a tank

you can just roll into any pug you want at very low ilvl and grind

and obv so many less of them

[hazy breach]

Thats true too

[vale pine]

to be fair, some things are rly poorly balanced

[tribal blade]

please for the love of god

surely we won't have DK be meta for a 5th season in a row

[vale pine]

e.g. DK is now the meta spec for mythic+ for more than 1 xpac

[warm marlin]

I don't think its a coincidence that dk and dh are both probably the two tankiest specs in the game btw

[tribal blade]

that's the holy trinity of key pushing

tanky+high dmg

[warm marlin]

ddh also gets ranged kick on a melee cd

i think with a melee lockout too

[tribal blade]

i didn't even know that

that's actually cracked

[hazy breach]

Well the new spec being cracked the first season its out isnt unexpected though, thats just what blizzard does

[wheat edge]

Its only been op since 2008 relax

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[wheat edge]

Havoc is so insanely tanky its crazy

[warm marlin]

devourer has like 30% passive mit to magic damage

[wheat edge]

Did you know it has 5% perma dr on lura cause its fire damage stagger just works as a full dr instead

This is just perma 5% dr for some reason on lura

[tribal blade]

i'm too stupid to understand how this talent works

i keep rereading it and nothing is happening

nvm i think i got it now lol

brain mush

[wheat edge]

If you get meleed you take 95% phys damage and then 5% fire damage over time

[tribal blade]

got it yeah

[wheat edge]

But on lura it doesnt trigger the over time damage for some reason

[tribal blade]

so just a small stagger

[scarlet heath]

unless the melee is fire dmg, then you just take 90%

[tribal blade]

OH weird

[scarlet heath]

no stagger

[wheat edge]

So you take 95% damage and then it doesnt stagger

Apparently it also was a thing on kyveza (shoutout shadarek the goat)

[warm marlin]

you ever just kick a mob and then have 45% mitigation with nothing else active

[ancient leaf]

if i have ST READY AND CDG would i do CDG first in dance or still do the ST

[tribal blade]

sectec first always

[ancient leaf]

but then u waste stacks on building the next cdg no

[tribal blade]

yeah that's just a feelsbad

moment

but it is what it is

[ancient leaf]

okay

even if all targets are fazed already?

[tribal blade]

cycling sectec asap is more important

[tribal blade]

yeah even if they're all fazed

you don't need to pay attention to your targets being fazed unless you're going to cast coup on a target w/o fazed

[wheat edge]

You ever just press blade dance on cd and twice after every eye beam oh and you also have 40% leech and oh a bunch of magic dr oh and 2 charges of 35% dr blur on a 1 min cd that also has built in will of the necropolis?

[tribal blade]

because coup is bugged and will not give you full stacks if your target is not fazed

[ancient leaf]

omg i didnt knew that ty

[tribal blade]

lol i remember this from pushing during S3 DF

the 1 shot season

[warm marlin]

ye good times

[tribal blade]

and whenever havocs would fuck up their blade dance timing

BAM

dead

[warm marlin]

holding blade dance on the charge guy in brh and on the tree boss in dht

so i can live

[wheat edge]

With how hp is balanced atm its so crazy op also

[tribal blade]

lol holy

[warm marlin]

oh god and the last boss of atal dazar

[wheat edge]

Cause our hp pool compared to damage intake is big

[warm marlin]

[tribal blade]

yeah the tree boss was where i would see dhs die the most haha

that season was actually somewhat chill for rogues in a lot of ways

[hazy breach]

Just feint

[tribal blade]

because all the 1 shots everyone was wringing their hands over

[tribal blade]

EXACTLY read my mind

that season was also a lot of

invite from lfg

"oh you're not outlaw"

you have been uninvited from the group

[tribal blade]

remember when they decided to buff that boss at the start of the season

and then it became hell on earth

[warm marlin]

yep

just made the insane kick damage thing unkickable

[tribal blade]

yeah that fight became so bad

[warm marlin]

you had to hold blade dance to shield + blur to live that fight AND you had to hold meta to immune

and there were 8 million spiders in the arena as landmines

even doing the kite strat

[tribal blade]

also a significant dmg check

[shadow snow]

DF season 2 was hell on earth

[tribal blade]

that was also pretty hard yeah

i actually made title that season as sub

that's by far my proudest title

[shadow snow]

u had neltharus and brackenhide that season

[tribal blade]

during the aug god comp season

don't forget uldaman

[shadow snow]

OMG

[warm marlin]

halls of infusion

[tribal blade]

my best uld was with a non meta comp

[tribal blade]

pre nerfed last boss

jesus

and the frost boss

was a butt clencher

[royal fog]

week three of sub rogue, got my first orange parse! 😄 Mythic Aversian XD

[shadow snow]

yeah that season was the hardest ever

[peak ice]

is a crit flask better for std

[swift tinsel]

That whole place was made to make healers reroll to other roles

[peak ice]

or is it much of a much

on trick

[tribal blade]

whenever i sim it it's within margin of error

[peak ice]

yeahh

[tribal blade]

i have significantly more mast than crit as trickster

and when i sim mast vs crit flask

crit flask is +0.1%

[tribal blade]

vortex pinnacle

[shadow snow]

blizzard wanted healers to reroll

[tribal blade]

actually i think i hated being in every single dungeon that season lol

except maybe neltharus tbh

[shadow snow]

all of em where huge heal checks

[tribal blade]

yeah that season was really hard on healers

i swapped to dwarf for that season

[hollow spear]

how over is it?

[shadow snow]

its like blizzard wanted people to stop playing heal

[tribal blade]

damn looks good

[tribal blade]

yeah i btagged a few good healers that season to play with

[hollow spear]

sim is now flip-flopping harder between crit and vers than any abuela could

Dorki flaming all the healers in his latest vid

[tribal blade]

LOL because he's on his healer arc

[hollow spear]

Don't you love the smell of "Declined", "Full" and "Cancelled" in the morning

[sage ivy]

just died to this because u cant cloak it lol

they just forget to add a dmg type?

[hazy breach]

Theres a bunch of stuff cloak doesnt work on

[marble sail]

depression being one

[sage ivy]

y just thought this one was funny because it just deals typeless dmg, making it uncloakable

usually it actually says fire or some shit and you cant cloak it anyway

[hazy breach]

It does magic damage

But only the first second of cloak works on it

[sage ivy]

i actually timed it for that

still killed me

nvm i was like .1 sec too early xdd

[hazy breach]

Cloak also almost never works on pools on the ground anymore

[tribal blade]

yeah i've died quite a few times this season to that exact thing

can't really trust cloak this season

[haughty mural]

schroedingers cloak

[hazy breach]

"oh i have cds up, ill just cloak this PURPLE MAGIC CIRCLE to continue to dps"

"oh i died to magic damage"

many such cases

[tribal blade]

that happened to me in the pit gauntlet 🙂

[sage ivy]

whats different this season

[hazy breach]

Nothing

[sage ivy]

or has it always been like this

[tribal blade]

always been this way

[hazy breach]

Its been ass for a while now

[tribal blade]

i guess they just coded way more mechanics than usual this way

[lilac stag]

Just press AMS

[hazy breach]

Ye imagine if cloak worked on everything, gave you energy AND had a 40s cd instead of 2 min

[cinder nimbus]

just remove cloak of shadow from rogue

or maybe play ranged class

[tribal blade]

YES PLEASE

[cinder nimbus]

every rogue dreaming this

[dusky yacht]

Imagine shadowstrike and evis cleaved

[hollow spear]

that cannot be!

I kinda hate that you have to buy another socket if you want to replace your socketed item

or am I just dumb and don't know something that is obvious?

[lilac stag]

how to keep you doing content you don’t need to do

[peak ice]

wooo

purple pass myth

[lofty lance]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[fallow ingot]

When you have Darkest Night during :ShadowDance: Dance you ALWAYS want it to be buffed by :ancientarts: Ancient Arts (apex). You do not need to apex other supercharged finishers.

Is that a big dps lost to apex spercharged evisc ?

[hazy breach]

You don't want to go out of your way to supercharge it

As in don't strike at full cp for it

[marble sail]

how far away is it from being actually better to send 2 supercharged evis instead of tech? double finality must have made it quite alot better?

[crimson thorn]

Deathstalker is still better in single target even if i only reach 900 haste?

[sly shore]

NO

oops caps lock, no

[crimson thorn]

So only if i can get to 1100 haste, ok thx

[hollow spear]

I think it's actually simming higher even with only 900 haste

But I would either go for 1.100 or not switch

Personal preference tho

[crimson thorn]

Ye, i think the same

[fallow ingot]

i'm at 1032 and its fine

was blasting lura boss dmg kek

[tribal vortex]

Sometimes with lust I am 1 -2 sec away of supercharged secret technique with SB active should I keep shadowstriking or shouldn't I care?

[marble sail]

how does lust improve ur tech dmg

[tribal vortex]

Without lust you can' fit in a supercharged ST

but with lust you are kinda 1 global away from supercharged ST

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin forbidden ritual bug fixed already. imagine having that kind of service.

[kind slate]

The robot hates me, puzzlebox+guidon sims better than guidon + solarflare (no gaze yet) 🙁

[lilac stag]

What are you simming?

[kind slate]

ST 1 boss

[lilac stag]

link?

[kind slate]

wait thats wrong

sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/taEU5hVaPKfqBqUruXpHPz

[north schooner]

well prism is hero track

[kind slate]

Ye no luck there

I dont mythic raid so I'm kinda at the mercy of the bonus rolls / vault

[upbeat cradle]

you can probably pug averzian and chimaerus mythic tbh

[kind slate]

I've tried simming solarflare at 298 still worse than double on use. Guidons not myth track either

[tribal vortex]

don't bother with such choices

even if sim says fine, it is not for us

[north schooner]

at 0.2% you can still run prism and not have to deal with poopbox anyway

[kind slate]

I'm not gonna run double on use ^^

[upbeat cradle]

yeah honestly i'd lose 0.2-0.4% rather than use box lmao

[kind slate]

I use the box for assa

its fine, but its cringe as hell for sub

Just got the guidon today

[hollow spear]

Depends on what you define "fine" as

[north schooner]

also make sure to sim with mastery flask too, it can make a difference

[hollow spear]

Not sure you're going to hit the additional global with 1032 haste

[north schooner]

the sim defaults to crit flask

[kind slate]

I've tried it before, simmed worse than crit

[fallow ingot]

Anyway i'm playing it on lrua because we have way enough xtals dmg. was toping boss dmg, it was what i wanted

[hollow spear]

I don't doubt that you're topping boss damage, but you're leaving quite a bit on the table

[somber sun]

Didn't answer his question

[fallow ingot]

Will have quit the haste needed with rootmire ring anyway

[somber sun]

Can lowkey kill lura before that no ?

[hollow spear]

I sure hope I will

[fallow ingot]

Dunno lmao

ppl are lost in P2 atm

we dont have much todo on the fight as a rogue

a kick and positon

[upbeat cradle]

i wonder how good rotmire will be with poison

[kind slate]

Just gonna try to pug first 3 voidspire and Chim mythic this week.

Hard without CE achievement but my HC logs are fine and my ilvl is above par 🙂

[fallow ingot]

very mid like nexus rings

[lilac stag]

I mean. Dropping prism for 2x on use is 91 dps. Margin of error. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fc5jLkG23oZRjm2pQX3dmx

[marble sail]

For chim, host ur own, then ce dosnt matter

[somber sun]

Even with ce

Ppl still wipe

[lilac stag]

not going to look at your stats on mobile but that’s a low sim at 290, which I’m assuming is you missing mastery

[kind slate]

Ain't that the truth

[fast dome]

Insist on AOTC Midnight Falls, its a harder fight than CE Chim

🤣

[kind slate]

Ye my mastery is low. Been playing mostly assa

[upbeat cradle]

what do you input in expert sim ?

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[upbeat cradle]

raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=supercharge_1,first=0,cooldown=999999
raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=supercharge_2,first=0,cooldown=999999
?

[hazy breach]

You can add that yes

Doesn't matter much besides making number go up though

[upbeat cradle]

ok how do I force the advanced sim to use haste flask ?

actions+=/flask,type=Flask_of_the_blood_knight ?

or something like that ?

[hazy breach]

No

Just flask=name_of_flask_2

[vale pine]

flask=flask_of_the_blood_knights_2

[upbeat cradle]

thanks

[wet robin]

so im pushing 1200 haste DS and it feels a lot better. placebo? im an idiot? sounds reasonable?

[lilac stag]

expert line addition is just the prepull stuff, which fuu has included in the sheet sims

[upbeat cradle]

and the vantus ?

[lilac stag]

all of the above can be true

[wet robin]

HOW DO YOU KNOW ME

[vale pine]

the expert mode lines just give you two empowered combo points at the start of the fight

[dusky yacht]

How much would a good trickster sim be

[upbeat cradle]

i guess 120k+ ?

[lilac stag]

I’m at 126

[upbeat cradle]

with vantus ?

[lilac stag]

130 I think is where it tops out

[dusky yacht]

126 without vantus?

[upbeat cradle]

"Warning: Unknown option 'flask' with value 'flask_of_the_blood_knights_2', ignoring"

[vale pine]

did i make a typo?

let me check

[sacred magnet]

Started beloren yesterday, should i play DS in the fight?

[upbeat cradle]

maybe without a s

[north schooner]

you can just add the flask in quick/top gear mode through the UI, you don't need to add it in expert mode

[upbeat cradle]

yeah but then i wouldnt' have the two supercharged right

[north schooner]

no you can still enable expert mode in there

[vale pine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hKHPKGe8cvu4Hb1oJe96hD/simc

[north schooner]

and add the pre-SC

[vale pine]

works perfect, not a problem

where did you put the line?

at the top i assume, you need to put it below the actor

[upbeat cradle]

oh yeah the custom thing at the bottom

[vale pine]

e.g. like this

[upbeat cradle]

okedoke thanks

[light finch]

Looked at Warcraftlogs on the best Deathstalkers on Lura Mythic, all of them dont seem to give a fuck about Evi before using SecTec at the start of the Shadowdance, do you guys think its because of muscle memory ?

[north schooner]

just add it like this and the rest you can do through the UI

[vale pine]

if you want to compare flasks

[dusky yacht]

I’m at 125,9k with vantus (trickster), but I got a new belt waiting with socket so I just need a recraft and it will prolly shoot up quite a bit as a result, I got the chim belt on atm. (Haven’t had time past few days to do anything but go to raid barely on time)

[vale pine]

you can also just copy/paste this below your /simc in advanced

profileset."Flask of the Magister(mastery)"+=flask=flask_of_the_magisters_2
profileset."Flask of the Blood Knights(haste)"+=flask=flask_of_the_blood_knights_2
profileset."Flask of the Shattered Sun(crit)"+=flask=flask_of_the_shattered_sun_2
profileset."Flask of Thalassian Resistance(vers)"+=flask=flask_of_thalassian_resistance_2
profileset."No Flask"+=flask=disabled```
there is a text file pinned for consumables in [#tc-research](/guild/124169701881282560/channel/266712108861751296/), this is one part of it

[upbeat cradle]

i'm at 121 without vantus, 127 with

close enough

[sly shore]

you can do flasks in top gear now

[dusky yacht]

I should sim my new belt actually

[dusky yacht]

Shit need to be on my pc for that

[vale pine]

oh, true

i keep forgetting

[dusky yacht]

fuu is so old school man

Original gangsta

[vale pine]

i mean

[sly shore]

Fuu has been sub tc since God was a boy

[dusky yacht]

fuu taught God how to sim

[vale pine]

when i started doing tc, we had no raidbots

no top gear or anything ^^

[dusky yacht]

Tc?

[vale pine]

Theorycrafting

[dusky yacht]

Right

I remember those days

[vale pine]

I was one of the persons promoting raidbots as a approachable alternative to local simulations

[dusky yacht]

There was a certain kind of charm to nobody knowing wtf was going on

[vale pine]

we also created dungeon slice ^^

as a collaborative effort of the rogue theorycrafters at the time back then

[sly shore]

yuh was made to attribute restealths

[vale pine]

we started out with a custom fight script, but then generalized it more

[shy ermine]

I remember running simcraft on my laptop and the fans going crazy

[vale pine]

slice is basically the best trade off we found so far

there is dungeon routes too, which comes with its own set of problems

as its technically a worse approach, because its static and apl's are not designed for fights like this

tho i would say, any tool is as good as the person understanding it ^^

[vale pine]

raidbots was a big step forward, my hardware is typically not food enough

fun fact, someone could technically write a cuda backend for simc

and speed it up significantly

[lilac stag]

The Hamsters need more meat on their bones.

[vale pine]

tho thats not easy, as you would need to understand gpu programming

[vale pine]

haha, nice typo

[dusky yacht]

I can kinda use a calculator if you’d like my help, it’s so easy, answer to everything is syntax error

[vale pine]

my gf keeps getting "out of memory" errors when playing, even tho she has 32 GB of ram :/

tho how do you get a calculator to "syntax error"

[fossil forge]

new atrocity update kinda gas ?

[sly shore]

It looks the same as it always has no?

[fossil forge]

deffo changed a bit

lotta new stuff

[warm marlin]

I said it would be

[dusky yacht]

Divide by something that equals zero

Or something it doesn’t understand basically

[dusky yacht]

Tf

Is the correct graphics card selected in game settings?

[vale pine]

I updated her graphics driver today again, it usually fiex it ^^

*fixes

[dusky yacht]

Don’t use auto select

[vale pine]

she only has one

no internal

iirc

[dusky yacht]

It can use the processor sometimes

The in game auto select

[vale pine]

haha ye, don't think thats the problem

[dusky yacht]

One thing ruled out at least then

But idk midnight is very oddly optimised

Thank god for ellesmere, reduced my fps drops super good

[bronze turret]

Every blizzard product has shit optimization these days

Used to be one of the best things about their games

But d4 has a nasty memory leak that has just been there for years

[dusky yacht]

I remember playing diablo 2 lod without lag on an IBM that my mom got as the first computer in our neighborhood

[bronze turret]

I played wow tbc on some dogshit laptop back in 2007

[dusky yacht]

That screen was so small lmao

[bronze turret]

Now you need high end everything to have a smooth experience

[dense geode]

Really? I feel like on my shitt PC can I can still run WoW at an okay level

[dusky yacht]

And then two years later time to get a new pc lmao

Define shit

[dense geode]

I feel like I only explode when I start involving addons

like annoying

not unplayable just frustrating enough where I wouldnt want to play

[dusky yacht]

Whats your specs

[dense geode]

I couldnt tell you exactly but it was a 1k prebuilt and the only thing I ever upgraded was the GPU to a 1080GTX

[dusky yacht]

Wtf

[dense geode]

I ran with zero addons though

[dusky yacht]

I got issues with my rtx 3070 lmao

[fossil forge]

i was playing wow on a 1660ti and it was working

we up now though

[dusky yacht]

What fps do you guys feel is acceptable tho

[fossil forge]

240 /50 in raid

[dense geode]

The only time I took hands off keyboard was LFR shit or any 30+ man content which I think is usual for most people

FPS? bruh I play on 60 perma

[lilac stag]

684

[dusky yacht]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[dusky yacht]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[dusky yacht]

Sorry, habit

[somber sun]

[sly shore]

go into main city +600MB RAM usage

getting up to 98% RAM usage just cos you loaded in too many times

[vale pine]

Think its also the addon changes, it is easy to cause problems from there too when addon api's are still changing and not stable

[vale pine]

it depends on your expectations, you can run wow on moderate hardware with low-ish settings

[vale pine]

i noticed that ram use increases with play time

i assume thats normal because of how memory allocation works

fixing that requires quite a bit of expertise and memory is kind-of cheap

so don't think the incentive to optimize is high w/e what game you look at

[sacred magnet]

Hi, do you guys recommend DS or Trickster on Beloren? Started prog yesterday

[dense geode]

Both are fine whichever youre more comfortable with.

DS does more damage which is what matters most on Beloren.

[sacred magnet]

Gotta sim and see if i can reach the haste threshold and will try to practice it

[dense geode]

If you need to practice it and youre approaching prog

you should just stick to trickster

You being DS vs Trickster shouldnt make or break if you kill or not

[upbeat cradle]

do it like me, practice while progging, they won't notice it anyways

[somber sun]

I mean

low risk high reward

start around mid damage meter and end up top 3 late on the prog

[normal chasm]

Any kind of x3d cpu and you'll never have to worry about fps in this game

[earnest crane]

guys is it worth to switch DS for raids ?

[normal chasm]

Having checked pins, will one be made for when to pick DS on diff raid bosses? Or do I just subsitute in DS for all bosses that say trickster ST? I'd imagine that ST trickster is still best on chim for example, or maybe because im a stat pad enjoyer on the ads in that fight

[surreal orbit]

I would imagine it starts to pull away more as group ilvl goes up and ads just survive less time

[dreamy needle]

so if i have potent powder i should use blackpowder when fighting 2 bosses at once?

[surreal orbit]

right now tho its like Vor and Lura where DS competes heaviest

[surreal orbit]

you mean dragons?

[dreamy needle]

i mean any duo boss

[surreal orbit]

yeah

relevant chatter

[earnest crane]

guys is it worth to switch DS in raids

[surreal orbit]

vor and lura

[earnest crane]

how much dps gain ?

[somber sun]

6%

[worldly root]

6-7%

[surreal orbit]

5.9& - 7.1%

[winged orbit]

When do we use dance and secret tech after the first initial dance with blades, when do we ues the second dance in blades and so on for DS?

[hallow mortar]

guys i find the way to parse on chimerus