subtlety

[hazy breach]

Not a bug, but yes

When cloud cover gave 100% more crit damage, it was relevant

Now its not

[leaden prairie]

!

ty guys

imma blast that boss now

[hazy breach]

You cant proc shadowstrike apex clones when premed is up zac, since you arent expending any sht stacks

Which is not a bug, but just a stupid way to have them interact

[leaden prairie]

ye this one i knew about

[hazy breach]

And when strikes crit for way harder, it made premed a dps loss, but now they dont

So its fine

[leaden prairie]

i see

cool !

with all that newly found dps maybe we gain 5s on that boss !

[tribal blade]

until next time

[leaden prairie]

very relevant im happy !

[tribal blade]

very excite

[scarlet heath]

zac in sub channel

my hero

[leaden prairie]

ye you can watch my sub gameplay if you tune in when im on seat last boss

5min of sub gameplay every week or so

[night sparrow]

lmao thx

Here we go, I'm a gamer now

[leaden prairie]

low

[night sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[alpine wraith]

1 minus haste rip

[peak ice]

not 1100

uninstall

[night sparrow]

f this I'm going outlaw

[small sleet]

WAT DA HELL

[night sparrow]

Bro why is darkest night aura this slow to update

I'm tired of playing this buggy class boss

[latent remnant]

slow update is only visual people said here earlier i think

[night sparrow]

yeah ikr

[hollow spear]

just count to three man

(and forget that it can randomly screw you)

[small sleet]

I just look at my mark number and use it to know how many finishers away dn is rather than waiting or reacting to darkest night popping up

[night sparrow]

Yeah I'd probably do that instead of having 2 icons slots

[hollow spear]

yeah the DN update has not been an issue for me

[peak ice]

Embrace trickster

[golden totem]

Is the issue really related to dn

I think it's just a cdm thing

Pretty sure all buffs are shown "late"

Cds too

[thorn stream]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[latent remnant]

huge

[hollow spear]

my buffs are never late, nor are they early

[latent remnant]

actually i can swap one gem from 16haste to 7 because this is with low quality flask

[small hemlock]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[small hemlock]

!zac

[latent remnant]

ok breaking the muscle memory of wanting full combo points before going into dance is going to take a while

[night sparrow]

Bro I'm also doing some target dummies

And I wish I was dead

like 20 days of /played trickster and gotta swap just for 2 remaining weeks on Lura

[small sleet]

You don’t have to swap

[wheat edge]

just play trickster and padd on adds

[small sleet]

Damage checks aren’t real anymore anyways

[normal chasm]

Dumb question: so right as a boss pull starts, you're meant to do 3 finishers to set up dn before pressing blades?

[night sparrow]

I'd negociate with my officers ngl lul

[hazy breach]

No

[spice matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy lichen]

why does deathstalker want more haste

[hazy breach]

Longer dances means you can more often fit 2 full Darkest Nights into a dance

[golden totem]

Nah just send evis and go with cds + dance + storm

[manic ice]

looking at recent L'ura logs, seems like ppl arnt doing what is suggested in Eleem video. they are all using sectech as first finisher in the dance window

[swift tinsel]

might just be mistakes from old habits

there's also only 4 logs from yesterday/today

[latent remnant]

Got enough gear to have a seperate ds/trickster set so I can still play trickster in a few hours at least and then practise ds before next raid day

bless people telling me to just take the band from vault because with recrafting belt/dagger to haste that replaces one of my rings perfectly after all

[astral axle]

video and pin very helpful as usual, thank you Eleem ♥️

[dusky yacht]

Sometimes patience is the play

-me, a hyper impatient mf

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach is this the accurate one or the wrong one.

[hazy breach]

Wrong one

[lilac stag]

Do you have the proper one?

[hazy breach]

Not that i can link right now, but if you search my messages for "wrong" or "diminishing"

youll probably find it

[lilac stag]

ok so the 3 global was still consistent.

Started going sideways at 4

[dusky yacht]

Damn so my 1589 haste build was wrong?!

[hazy breach]

Yeah its the diminishing returns that shouldnt be accounted for

As it ignores it ingame

[manic ice]

does this chart mean going above 1100 closer to 1173 will help consistancy?

[graceful osprey]

I want to see the 3k haste build

[livid wing]

Hi, does Deathstalker sims better than trickste now ?

[vale pine]

yes

[lilac stag]

You do not need .4 margin for

which is why 1100 (1076) is recommended.

[manic ice]

ok

[amber sedge]

vault was good today

[livid wing]

How many crit % do you have in Deathstalker ?

[wanton vigil]

18.236%

[potent heath]

3.14159265359

[hollow spear]

it's only a 0,3% improvement for me and I got it in my vault too 🙁

[subtle spruce]

What addon are yall using to tell you what is best?

[night sparrow]

simc

[subtle spruce]

For gear improvement

[night sparrow]

and raidbots

[subtle spruce]

Thanks

[night sparrow]

simc for the input you put on raidbots

[amber sedge]

iam at 920 haste with oil with neck. i hate my life

[hollow spear]

you better do some m+ to farm crests for crafts

[wispy crystal]

!feint

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[wispy crystal]

are the balls on Baloren, the damage is it reduced by feint?

[hazy lichen]

is there any tech with deathstalker

[atomic bobcat]

@hazy breach if im not reaching the haste needed for DS should keep trickter? running sims now, but just to understand

[hazy lichen]

whats max amount of time to wait at 1 death mark for dance to come up

[lilac stag]

can just keep running Trickster for your mental well being.

if you don’t have the haste it’s going to be… more miserable

[summer peak]

For DS, we are just trying to make sure we have aplx proced for first 2 supercharged? or all evis's_

[livid wing]

I will go on lightblinded vanguard Myth tonight and i ask myself if im gona swap as Outlaw or Assa to do it, sound goods or ?.

[lilac stag]

is best option

[white nova]

Switching to deathstalker was triggering for me. Because it’s basically opposite starting from trickster. Need many practices.

[white nova]

If you ain’t sub, you ain’t a rogue

[lilac stag]

@livid wing it’s not a dps check. Play whatever if you’re in.

[subtle spruce]

Keep your sanity friend. Dont switch lol

[gusty wharf]

!log

[white nova]

Yeah. You right. It just feels so bad

[hazy breach]

If you want to, it should sim higher regardless

[atomic bobcat]

ye even with 800 haste it sims 5-6k higher

[solemn patrol]

I turned my Belo'ren parse into an emoji

Badge of honor

[atomic bobcat]

BIG

[hollow spear]

you should zoom out a bit more

the cut off icon triggers something deep within me

[solemn patrol]

Ok I fix

[solemn patrol]

Now the line at the bottom annoys me

[short radish]

[fossil forge]

greyparse birb gang

[tepid quartz]

You and me both

[solemn patrol]

I ate an orb right before 2nd egg and saved the pull

[tepid quartz]

Best thing was i got shit for it aswell, so next reclear i aint holding cds for egg phase

[amber sedge]

its loss for me on trickster :D

[solemn patrol]

Bro I wish I had the 0

Golf scores

[short radish]

same

i got a stinky 3 as well

managed to beat the other tank

[warm marlin]

did you try having great burns for all of prog and then getting 8% strike crit rate and not proccing gaze in either amp on the kill

[tepid quartz]

I had the 0 when we killed it but it got changed to a 3

[solemn patrol]

Unlucky

[short radish]

no but i did try absolutely flopping my burn phase on the kill

[solemn patrol]

Did you try blasting the meters every pull and never dying early until the kill pull

Once I died I immediately knew it was the kill. Always when I die early

[warm marlin]

we killed the second egg with 0.3s remaining

my gaze rng almost bricked it

[solemn patrol]

We had a 0.05% wipe at pull 75 I think

Literally 200k health on the egg

[short radish]

no. I pressed sectech into shadow dance

then shuriken toss into slice and dice

[solemn patrol]

Huge

[warm marlin]

toss into snd is ball knowledge though

[short radish]

[short radish]

that gets me every time

[warm marlin]

16s kidney

[short radish]

honestly hidden tech for chimerus

[solemn patrol]

.08% wipe

Deadass a single crit sectech would've been the kill

[warm marlin]

I potted p4 this week 😈

on the wind chime

[short radish]

wait

is that hidden tech?

is p4 even more amp

[warm marlin]

its like 300% bro

its insane more amp

[fossil forge]

this is the only use i found for toss

besides tossing beyblades at chimmy

while he flies away

[short radish]

i want to cry so much man

this pull would have been goated

[fossil forge]

its not a kill unless its a green parse

[warm marlin]

our mage misclicked lust on the knockback into p3 so we didnt have one on the kill this week

and then our movespeed guys died so I died to the beam near end of p4

[short radish]

we were p1 wipe factory again

like wtf is this shit

[fossil forge]

how many pulls are you guys in

[short radish]

250 or something

idk

too many pulls

[fossil forge]

oof

[short radish]

should/could have died last week

271 pulls

[fossil forge]

we are 48 in only so far

[short radish]

SHOULD HAVE DIED TONGHT

[hallow mortar]

we did not see P3 yet

stop flexing

[warm marlin]

parsing this fight is 100% how much you can pad in p4

[hallow mortar]

how do you even pad in P4

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-write-that-down-gif-27686706

[warm marlin]

hold pot for it and hope your raid members die so it lasts longer

[fossil forge]

HAHA

[short radish]

i'm 100% doing this on the rekill

[hallow mortar]

you getting only one cds there anyway or?

[woven nimbus]

oh noooo i forgor my pot in p3, theres nothing i can do

[warm marlin]

as a 90 yes

[short radish]

unforch we need the damage to skip right side 2nd memory game

WAIT

[short radish]

OUR RET PALADIN DID THIS

ON ONE OF THE PULLS

[woven nimbus]

gigachad

[hallow mortar]

not potting P3 seems like grief

isnt it?

[short radish]

its grief

[warm marlin]

well sorta

[woven nimbus]

depends

[warm marlin]

it depends

[short radish]

we're trying to skip a memory game set

[woven nimbus]

on your p3 timing i guess

[short radish]

whcih we can do if everyone sends

[warm marlin]

technically because we screwed up p4 we only killed because I potted p4

[short radish]

[hallow mortar]

we did not see P3 yet but depends how strong are we when we get there

[warm marlin]

our ppal was last alive and bubble was almost over when he killed it in enrage

we would have died without my burst

[short radish]

honestly p3 is harder than i expected it to be

[warm marlin]

pot p3 can let you skip some mechanics

[short radish]

the constallations sneak up on you

[hallow mortar]

we did not pass first spreads in P2

[warm marlin]

we didnt have lust that pull and we still skipped second darkarch

the boss turbo dies

[hallow mortar]

and im crystal holder

can i parse as crystal holdeR?

hope so

[short radish]

yeah you ignore mechanics

[woven nimbus]

depends on class i guess

but rogue doesnt lose any uptime

as crystal

[hallow mortar]

im little worried about P3

but idk

wasnt there yet 😄

[thorny ridge]

What about ds on alleria?

[warm marlin]

as a seed in p3 you are payphone

[hallow mortar]

what does it mean

[warm marlin]

p3 is where seeds get the easy job

you just position so your friends can soak stuff and spread properly and then you dodge constellations

you dont get memory game

[woven nimbus]

and scream at ppl who proc memory game on you

[hallow mortar]

aaa

nice

i think im first to drop crystal

or atleast i asked for it

[oblique grove]

Are the stats just crit = mastery after haste for deathstalker

[sullen hare]

They are for both once you hit your target haste I believe

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[hollow spear]

Fake news

Deathstalker actually likes vers 😄

(to a point)

[oblique grove]

Ah shid

[hollow spear]

It's a sim yourself angle

Just have to ignore the haste stuff

[oblique grove]

Ok w

[hollow spear]

I actually did some stat weighing

Don't tell the TC tho

[vale pine]

also likes 1100 haste

hasting like a hero

[hollow spear]

that's rumours

[short radish]

[hollow spear]

hell yeah

[graceful osprey]

Going back to vers/mastery like a chad

[hollow spear]

I miss the golden days

[short radish]

same

fuck all this crit

[hollow spear]

where haste was shit

[short radish]

i despise crit as a stat

[fossil forge]

wtf

why

[short radish]

because i like consistency

and i haate that sometimes i dont do big damage beucase i didnt crit

[vale pine]

Haste created a weird interaction, and its kinda a gatekeeper now

[hollow spear]

the good old crit 10% below your expected result angle

[vale pine]

more than anything else

[brittle imp]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[warm marlin]

okay but being a deep crit stacker and being a no crit class are both goated

its this awful middle ground where crit is good but not insane that its cringe

[short radish]

true

[hollow spear]

I have so much vers now that the sim wants me to get more crit

[oblique grove]

What's the weird interaction that haste created

[novel plaza]

Is puzzle box better than guidon in M+?

[warm marlin]

10% crit = im not gonna crit anyway so I just play the game
60% crit = i crit so often the rng isn't gonna be that swingy anyway
30% crit = despair

[graceful osprey]

Ideally, I’d love for classes and specs to have different build be viable where different builds would prio different stats but aw well

[hollow spear]

having to get to a threshold

[hollow spear]

60% crit = I've got 35% crit on the kill parse and throw myself out of the cellar window

[warm marlin]

ya but at least u crit some

[hollow spear]

true

[sullen hare]

35% crit but your icicles only crit 25% of the time because you're playing frost gems in sanctum of domination

[hollow spear]

but that's like getting a teaspoon of water before they throw you back into the desert

[warm marlin]

30% crit, plus all the bonuses to chance for generators

and i crit 8% on strike during the 150% crit damage smoke bomb era on beloren

what a game

[hollow spear]

idk man

cursed ig?

[sullen hare]

Yep that's a Despairge angle

[hollow spear]

maybe the game knew you'd betray sub rogue with frost dk

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[hollow spear]

and wanted to punish you preemptively

[warm marlin]

true

its ok im getting punished now as well

[brittle imp]

100% of the time you dont crit when you need it anyway

[hollow spear]

next season we'll have lost another rogue

Ryldd becoming a DK main

[warm marlin]

we bricked 21mt over time by like 15s yesterday because I got the new udk bug

most enjoyable

[hollow spear]

lovely

[warm marlin]

if you ever die with a magus active (which is like 80-85% uptime) your character is bricked until relog

or if you dismiss your pet while a magus is active (hope you aren't doing a skip!)

its dk though so they'll fix it within the week

[hollow spear]

I was gonna say that I'm glad that I don't have pets, but then I remembered our clones

[short radish]

mid week dk fix

just like mid week arcane mage fix

[lime sphinx]

should shadowblades be macroed with sd and st

along with lights pot

[hollow spear]

I'm convinced they implemented the Arcane bug just to show Porom what they could do if the negative feedback continued

[warm marlin]

that bug was so funny

good practical joke icl

[thorny ridge]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dire timber]

Anyone knows how big the dps loss is to activate Shadow Dance on 6/7 CP? Let's say consistently on a 5 min fight?

(When talented Deathmark)

[hazy breach]

Big

Like 4-5%

[dire timber]

Thanks!

[hazy breach]

Because youll never get 2 apexed darkest night in a dance that way

Or well, almost never, not nearly as reliably as otherwise

[dire timber]

So even if I fuck up the rotation, royally, DM still better on ST (?)

[random pecan]

Hey guys/galls. Question i have the necklace "Eternal Voidsong Chain" on heroic, i was wondering is it better to get a crafted neck at max ilvl or just keep the neck? Personally i think Eternal Voidsong Chain even though heroic is prob better but i would still like to know as i cant sim crafted neck higher then ilvl 246

[shell hollow]

You can manually add a crafted neck to your sim at the desired ilvl

[whole lichen]

im ready

[random pecan]

How

[hazy breach]

Theres a field on the topgear page called "item search"

Search for the name of the item there, and add it with the desired item level

Its called sin'dorei something

[random pecan]

❤️ thanks me stupid

[hazy breach]

Then you can press the + on it and adjust the stats/embellishments

If you'd like

[woven quail]

How hard am I trolling bringing DS in keys? I’m just so bored of trickster.

[shell hollow]

I was thinking the same thing right now lol

I wonder if you can make your prio a lil better

[woven quail]

My thoughts exactly

Someone give me some propaganda I can use to justify this

[hazy breach]

If youd like to do 15% more prio damage at the cost of 15% aoe go ahead

[astral axle]

🎵 You're a critstacker, meme maker
Big gapper, don't you love that RNG 🎵
(To the tune of "Heartbreaker" by Pat Benatar)

[shell hollow]

Guess its whatever times the key quicker in the end

[woven quail]

My team plays with a WW and Devourer (not optimal I know) so they just delete in AOE

[shell hollow]

Maybe places like pit/wrs that have mobs with a shit ton more health every 2nd pack might be worth

[hazy breach]

Not really

As you could just eviscerate once per dance and get similar results as trickster

[random pecan]

As i thought not worth it lol. wife trying to argue with me that the ilvl difference would be worth it.

[hollow spear]

I wonder how people noticed, are there arcane mages rn?

[half canopy]

hi, is trickster still better after DS buffs?

[warm marlin]

nop (in reply to colo)

[hollow spear]

would have been good as a reply to erd, too

[timid rose]

I often find myself finishing with evis vs bp even in AOE when we have a big prio target to "even out the pack" since the rest of my group is blasting aoe

[warm marlin]

meh situational

[vale pine]

Trickster for cleave/aoe fights, deathstalker for single target.
Switching is more efficient if you get the higher haste recommendation of 1100

[hollow spear]

The classic gearing arguments that can break a marriage, who doesn't know them

[half canopy]

thank you so much

[hollow spear]

Why are you guys so nuanced, I am trying to propagandize here

[lilac stag]

Your wife is correct. If it’s even, the ilvl will win out as you rarely hit the dmg from the neck that sims hit.

[hollow spear]

also you get more stamina

[woven quail]

Before anyone hits with the “sim it” on a scale of not too bad to holy hell this is awful how bad is that much haste going to hurt me in trickster? Cba swapping gems around until I get 2 separate sets

[hollow spear]

not too bad

but why wouldn't you sim it 😄

[hallow mortar]

after looting my mythic guidon from pug finally, kinda nice vault

[vale pine]

Running with your trickster set is fine, but the diffrence is only noticable once you get more haste

[hollow spear]

He asked the other way round fuu

[vale pine]

diffrence between 1-2% more damage vs. 5-6%

trickster with 1100 haste

let me see

[lilac stag]

Just hit the 3rd gcd in trickster haste value.

[hollow spear]

me on my way to start all my DS dances with 2 stacks of mark

[woven quail]

Yeah currently on a train home from work and have raid tonight so don’t really have time to sim and set up gear for both

[lilac stag]

Then just play trickster

[woven quail]

And simming on a train in the uk would take longer than the journey

[lilac stag]

You’re gonna need reps on DS

zero reason to rush it, when you had all of last week to prep for it.

[vale pine]

diffrence is roughly 1.5% dps loss

by running deathstalker gear on trickster

[woven quail]

Thanks!

I’ll take that

[chrome quiver]

So are the nexus point rings our bis?

[lilac stag]

We don’t have bis

[chrome quiver]

just seems abit confusing cause wowhead and icy veins says different stuff

[lilac stag]

They’re very good option

You get haste breakpoint and go from there.

[latent remnant]

get the haste and then start just picking bis based on vibes

[lilac stag]

If you’re gearing up an alt bonus rolling pit likely better then go after nexus rings

[hollow spear]

As scath said. If you haven't played DS before, you'll probably int more than you gain.

It's quite an experience to go from trickster brain into playing DS

[vale pine]

There is no rush, you can play trickster

and gather gear for deathstalker, and only switch once you have gear and a bit of practice

or don't switch, there is no content that can't be done on trickster currently

[hollow spear]

took me a while on the dummy to get into a rhythm (even though the dummy feels ass without a shaman buff)

DS is such a sht fiend, it's crazy

[wispy crystal]

so ideally how much haste do we need to swap over to DS?

[trail tusk]

Anyone can answer me which M+ rings are BIS? I have not Raid rings, so i need an alternative

For suti

[lilac stag]

There are no bis. If you only need rings bonus roll nxp

[patent ermine]

It's a game of moving gear/enchant around to reach these haste breakpoints

And rings are a good way to move those stats around

So not really a bis

[lilac stag]

I will repeat this answer in 5 minutes when it inevitably asked again

[patent ermine]

I see a lot of top m+ players are running guidon, but wow head says puzzlebox. I just got the guidon and only really m+, any experience with which one's better?

[idle echo]

skipped bird on last boss in skyreach. It worked first time for me in 21. Do u think it works only with vanish sstrike or shadow step works aswell?

[trail tusk]

So, for Assa and for Suti, best rings for M+ are Nexus point till Raid Rings

[lilac stag]

…

[patent ermine]

That's not what was said

[fallow nimbus]

Wtf is suti?

[trail tusk]

Subtlety 😄

[vale pine]

the reason people go for nexus point rings is

they are comparably easy to get

one dungeon has both, so you can roll the dungeon out

[lilac stag]

What this place feels like at times.

[patent ermine]

Most likely it will be a haste mastery ring, And a crit mastery ring combo but it depends what your haste is at

[vale pine]

they might not be the absolute best

[fossil forge]

insert pilav subtility clip

[lilac stag]

They’re best for me, and one of the 20+ BIS gear setup suti has

[vale pine]

whats suti?

[patent ermine]

Hit em in the suti

[lilac stag]

Fuck if I know

[dusky yacht]

I have myth xenas rings, I call them budget BiS, to omegacope mainly.

I could be one of the cool kids with the super important all powerful endgame mythic raid jewelry, but alas, communism it is boys.

Guess I’ll parse grey and yell at my guildies that it’s their fault.

[atomic bobcat]

suti is a thing now? have we all lost our minds?

[patent ermine]

It's a sub rogues private parts

[lilac stag]

I miss BFA

[fossil forge]

im running the purple ring from nexus and the blue ring from magisteer for my suti gear

[dusky yacht]

They call him Suteekoh

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

me when raid finishes

and i can spec back to law

[lilac stag]

just swap to DK

All the cool kids are

[dusky yacht]

DK bis class

Just use buttons ez win

[patent ermine]

Overloaded class

[hazy breach]

You can step after you get dropped at the edge yes

You can use vanish when you get targeted by the beam and it will get cancelled

[fossil forge]

i am waiting for timewalkings

to finish warrior/dh

but i have a lvl 80dk

[lilac stag]

The delve farm is the way

[fossil forge]

i would play frost though

me no likey uhdk

[dusky yacht]

I’m gonna level my prot warr to tank for my gf who is new to wow

Masochism.

[fossil forge]

my dk is gonna come out of retirement when sanlayn is meta again

[lilac stag]

War is 285. DK is 288 with bis

I’m ready for s2

[fossil forge]

i miss big bloodbeast boom in cinderbrew

[idle echo]

just saw zerocool clip he managed to turn himself in air, that was my issue

[night sparrow]

mfw practicing DS rotation

[strange shore]

for funnel prio targets, are we using evis during dance or just spaming FoK and BP

[lilac stag]

You strike for priority

Fok is not a sub skill

[strange shore]

oh yeah i mean SS

[warm marlin]

my dk has once again benefitted from an insane amount of luck

rolling aa ring in 2 tries

[vale pine]

Fok was technically a sub spell too in the past

[warm marlin]

i just need chimaerus boots and i am wowhead bis list guy

holy moly

[dusky yacht]

I miss fokking

[vale pine]

nicu

time to start collecting deathstalker bis list too

😛

[lilac stag]

That was my first roll

I got crit mastery gloves with second

[dusky yacht]

The masses demand bis list

[warm marlin]

not for this class unfortunately....

[vale pine]

(i could add a button/tab to twowhead)

[warm marlin]

my rogue is hardstuck 286 and has not done content in a month now

it might be joever

[lilac stag]

I’m looking for a reason not to play DK in s2. Not seeing an obvious one

[warm marlin]

I did want to go back and get to 290 but I did a single 12 for crests/bonus rolls and I just felt sick

i cant do it

really wonder why they don't let you transfer crests once uncap yet

my dk has like 1k myth and no use for them

700 hero and 1k myth

[latent remnant]

with ds do you ever just send evis with 5 points rather than doing an extra builder just to get through mark stacks faster?

or do you misalign the darkest night procs a lot worse that way

(Just bad questions asking before i start practising something wrong)

[lilac stag]

I actually need sparks, but I can start bonus rolling dungeons again next reset

Need to craft a neck and get missing myth tier

Wish I had crafted loa ring

[void ocean]

Tfw u have only 2 chima items left in the pool and u bonus roll the fckin chest token

Like

Im so pissed rn

[lilac stag]

damn

[void ocean]

My Rogue cant catch a fckin break

Dk on the other hand gets w/e it wants

[lilac stag]

So our dk bonus rolled when it was bugged. 4 rolls he finally got it.

[lilac stag]

I’m pretty sure universe is sending me a sign when guidon and gaze mythic are both gotten on 2nd reset

[void ocean]

My dk got gaze from the first vault after the kill. Guidon from the puh raid main loot, puzzle box from the first AA roll, in 4 rolls in aa i got the ring and 1h weapon too... But rogue still 285

[astral axle]

other rogue in our guild had a similar experience with guidon. first week bonus roll, trash. Second week bonus roll, same trash as first week cause of the bug. Weeks go by, only when it is 100p chance he gets it.

[void ocean]

Im less annoyed by guidon cause the 285 one i have does the job

But Gaze holy shit

[hazy breach]

Idk some people say you cant but ive definitely done multiple times before so

[vale pine]

it wasn't super reliable for me

so probably needs a bit of practice to get to that point and the timing correct

[upbeat cradle]

Frick i have 800 haste with flask now for trickster if i use NPX set

I guess i'll only use the ring set as DS

[shadow lance]

Can't u just spam an ally or boss?

[limber folio]

almost maxed out

just need socket on waist

[subtle spruce]

Bro

This mog

[limber folio]

tf u on about my mog for

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDuYGGwXUAEvDLe.gif

[subtle spruce]

Is beautiful

[limber folio]

i dont have the fish weapons, so i have woodfish

[subtle spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sensational-gif-4975652

[lilac stag]

At least on DK you could cut one trinket out of rolls.

[lilac stag]

You should be able to easily make them work in broth 700 and 1100 sets

[upbeat cradle]

I ... Have too much haste with flask and i don't wanna have to use mastery flask

I'm poor

[astral axle]

damn even scath is dk pilled

[lilac stag]

we need a second for prog apparently

Turns out my superhero power is gearing a toon quickly.

[somber sun]

a little bit of this and a little bit of that

[golden thunder]

Is it correct, that crit is not as sexy as mastery for DS? Do you think it would be worth sacrifice a bit haste for more mastery instead of crit? or just trust the sim?

[lilac stag]

The sim undervalues haste

[vale pine]

hmm no

[lilac stag]

So no

[vale pine]

i wish wow had a sandbox

you could test things in

[lilac stag]

They way development has been going, they’d build the sand box and forget to put sand in it.

[limber folio]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/muq3vrVoL44UhbsRaJsHz4 well damn, 4.2% increase going full ST on chimaerus

[shadow lance]

I dunno, last time I did it worked

[nova cairn]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[nova cairn]

Look at that!

[amber berry]

damn man 5 min 132 is insane gg

[dreamy needle]

am i supposed to use the voidcore on the crafted dagger

[hazy breach]

You use it on everything you can yes

[dreamy needle]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

[vale pine]

you get them fast, so you just farm and upgrade both trinkets and daggers

[normal chasm]

Seems very difficult fitting two DNs with apex into every dance, already missing my less cerebral trickster

[upbeat cradle]

what was the name of the TBC stone ? adamantite sharpening stone ?

[vagrant sinew]

yes

[mortal arch]

vantus rune is toggled on

[forest moss]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[forest moss]

quick question - are we supposed to get DN in the opener?

[tepid trellis]

you get DN every 2-3 finishers so the first one happens quite early into the first dance

[mighty citrus]

But this is not 1100 haste no?

[limber folio]

nah like 900 something

[mortal arch]

Is it expected that the top gear sims should actually show the 1100-ish haste preference for DS? I know even on fatebound it would tend to optimize much lower than 700

[limber folio]

i need to craft ring

or get the one from beloren

wait no i mean

lura

[upbeat cradle]

nvm if i replace my alleria neck with a crafted one i'll end up with just 700 haste

so i can keep using haste flask

and just swap a few things for both trickster and DS

[upper haven]

Is DS good in m+ or do we still play trickster?

[small sleet]

Trickster

[upbeat cradle]

DS is ass for m+

[shrewd lantern]

people really think a 1.5% st buff

is going to give it a chance

[upbeat cradle]

you only play DS for single target, as soon as a second target is near trickster jumps ahead

[small sleet]

It will do the same thing on ds, I think it optimizes to around 1030 haste or something but 1100 is the target

[winged blaze]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[upbeat cradle]

sims always shows lower haster because the rotation is perfect and machine like

[vale pine]

sims do estimate lag, but assume high attention and low human error

reality is more messy, so we want more haste

[shrewd lantern]

if dn could apply to bp ds would have more potential but idk

nimble+coup and stronger sectechs

too good for cleave+

[dreamy needle]

for duo bosses do i use blackpowder or use eviscerate

[alpine wraith]

you bp if you have potent powder talent

[chrome wedge]

Hey guys, what do you think you can do a 16+ chill with one button rotation?

[lilac stag]

could you? Likely. Sub is one of the worst specs for one button.

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[muted salmon]

Ret paladin, this the wrong class for one button rotation

[shy ermine]

Next raid looks like a full aoe fight

Looking like a trickster angle

[vale pine]

yes, the spore boss is very aoe heavy

trickster

[shy ermine]

I rolled 100 on the lura ring on our first kill last week

Think people are going to be mad when I’m not using it next raid 🥲

[wet robin]

what should DS look like on opener? should we be getting down to 1 stack of mark or just send it?

[shy ermine]

Strike, evisc, then send

[wet robin]

phew kk

[daring raptor]

is anyone play DS on l'ura?
Trying myself tonight. just wanting to know if it's even worth to try and pad on those ads

[wet robin]

myself and guildmate will be trying

if adds pulled in correctly, others should melt

but wont really know til we start pulling

[upbeat sorrel]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[strong depot]

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[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/true-fatality-mortal-kombat-morgan-freeman-smoke-gif-13721384073720636622

[rain swift]

Anyone know of any neck that would be better in myth tier than using hero voidsong neck? or would i need to entirely regear since voidsong has a lot of the needed haste, thinking it might be better to keep it until i get myth voidsong

[warm marlin]

engi pieces can give you a lot of the needed haste if required, but id sim crafted neck/pit one at 289

[swift tinsel]

pit has about 100 haste iirc at myth so you'd end up having to re-tool your stats a fair bit

[rain swift]

oh yeah good point, crafted neck could give a lot of haste and just switch sockets to have some haste in them / recraft my dagger to have haste as well

[strong depot]

sorry about that post earlier my kid jumped on the keyboard when i went to the bathroom. I apologize!!!!

[rancid crow]

Haste needs to be 800(w/o guidon) but does mastery have a breakpoint?

[rancid crow]

Ooooo that ui is clean, what addon is that?

[rain swift]

chonky character sheets

[small sleet]

No

[rancid crow]

Ty ty, boutta download rn

[rain swift]

yeah i like it, also lets u see others stats and ilvl etc

[rancid crow]

That’s huge

[fossil forge]

surely at some point crit is better though no

[small sleet]

Yes but that’s not really what a breakpoint is

[fossil forge]

Yesyes

[upbeat cradle]

@dusky yacht can confirm triple soak is the way, was at 135k overall before i died from random dot lol

[tribal vortex]

do we take improved wound for dungeons we gonna use it ?

[small sleet]

Yes

[upbeat cradle]

it's useful for MT

potentially for cavern's berserkers but not that much there

[mellow lantern]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[tribal vortex]

yeah I swap to that poison but didn't talent it

probably worth to drop shadowrunner or sth similaer

[small sleet]

Drop the 10% weapon poison damage if you have it talented

It’s absolutely useless lmao

[tribal vortex]

I use imp on the other part of the dungeon

but yeah irrelevant probably

is there anything in Windrunner Spire for wound ? I think not ?

[small sleet]

It’s worth like 100k over an entire key of using instant poison

[small sleet]

No, Windrunner spire and pit are the only keys where wound poison is not useful

[tribal vortex]

ty

[subtle spruce]

What addon is this

[rain swift]

@subtle spruce

[icy helm]

stupid question but how does this macro lower key count? coup de grace is on top of eviscerate not an extra key, and black powder is the aoe one so you still need it on your bars?

[quasi cypress]

You only need to press one key to trigger both

[icy helm]

ah so it reduces the amount of things you have to press, not the amount of things you have on your keybinds

[upbeat cradle]

you just spam two buttons in aoe instead of 3

[shrewd lantern]

unironically, ret feels just about the same with one button rotation

[tribal vortex]

this macro is BP and also CDG when needed

[shrewd lantern]

Only real downside is the gcd delay.

[tribal vortex]

So in aoe you spam this and in ST you spam evis

[shrewd lantern]

honestly that macro is kind of useless

its not like you dont need an evis bind

[tacit hare]

Chads, on dragons mythic (trickster), if no adds, do i shadowstrike evi or shadowstrike powder?

[shrewd lantern]

and there's like minimal rng in knowing when you'll have coup

[tribal vortex]

It is not easy to see if you have CDG every global

It's totally wasted resources

[shrewd lantern]

you can track your EB stacks

[tribal vortex]

I had a big delay with EB stacks becoming a CDG but why track it. It is way easier to track when you don't wanna use it than when you want

[shrewd lantern]

there's no delay

once you get 4 your evis turns into coup

[tribal vortex]

I had CDG ready and it was showing 3 stacks

I know track evis, way easier

but still just spam bp who cares

[small sleet]

The biggest value in that macro is for when you get double stacks of escalating blades that puts you at 4

[shrewd lantern]

i mean yeah sometimes you get a proc and instant go to 4

but you see it happen generally during the generator global

idk

[icy helm]

also, i noticed a bit of a delay when getting those free procs when you get to press BP or Evis twice in a row, does that get better with more haste or is there an aura i can track to not waste energy when i get that extra cast?

[tribal vortex]

I mean why track everytime you have it, rather than track it the one time you don't want to waste

[shrewd lantern]

there are times its not beneficial to coup

and hold

namely near the end

[tribal vortex]

Yeah but they are far less, than the ones you just use

So track it for when you don't want to use it

[left ledge]

im so confused

how are we wasting energy

[icy helm]

are you asking me on my question?

[left ledge]

yes

[tender heron]

idk what build to do for paladins 🙁this good?

[shrewd lantern]

you're not even wasting energy

it costs energy to bp

and you get that cost back with relentless

[left ledge]

yeah thats fine

you just do standard m+ build

[tender heron]

ty ty

[left ledge]

ST to AoE for sub is literally just moving a point from finality to pp

[icy helm]

so, normally i press shuriken -> BP -> shuriken -> BP right? so i get max combo points, but sometimes, i press BP and i get those combo points back. Though there is some delay between pressing BP and getting the combo points back to press BP again. So out of speed of pressing buttons i end up pressing Shuriken again and waste energy while already having max combo points. Does that makes sense? Thats why im askin, does this delay go away with more haste or is there something to track so i dont press shuriken or backstab while that delay happens?

[shrewd lantern]

"sometimes"

its AA

theres no rng to it

[hazy breach]

There is no delay between getting the combo points back

[left ledge]

wait what

the proc shouldnt have a delay

yeah

thats weird

[shrewd lantern]

yeah aa fills your combo points instantly

[tribal vortex]

Also you see the black lines around you

[left ledge]

your combo points might be tracked weird

[icy helm]

i swear there is like a gcd or half gcd delay until i see the combo points back

[left ledge]

nope

its instant

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah there is 0 delay

[tribal vortex]

Yeah your tracker might be fucked

[icy helm]

i am using the blizzard bar

[hazy breach]

Maybe an addon issue

[tribal vortex]

many are not working fine

[left ledge]

^

there are some that genuinely have a delay

so check your addons

[icy helm]

its the blizzard personal resource display

no addon

[shrewd lantern]

maybe its slow

idk i dont use default

[left ledge]

how much ping do you play on?

nah ive used default

there's def no delay

[hazy breach]

Probably is the default one that has a delay then

Idk

[small sleet]

I use default and have had no issues or delay

[icy helm]

no idea, cant be more than 50 though since im in uk and servers are in germany or whatever no?

[left ledge]

that is so weird

[small sleet]

But I also track aa and know when it will reset anyways

[hazy breach]

But yeah the refunds are not random at all

[tribal vortex]

I mean go hit a dummy

and check

[left ledge]

i mean yeah that too

they're not random

[shrewd lantern]

Yep

[left ledge]

yeah can we get a clip

of the delay

[shrewd lantern]

unseen stacks is the only real rng

[left ledge]

yeah for a sec

i thought he meant wasting energy because of coup

or something

but then i thought like whats he wasting energy on?

[shrewd lantern]

Guy's ui is just slow

in showing the AA fill

ig

[left ledge]

i just tested default combo points

no delay

[icy helm]

for me its like, i press BP for example, the balls get empty, takes like .2 seconds the balls reappear. But in those .2 seconds i press shuriken again sometimes and waste enrgy basically

[chrome wedge]

yep +16 here with one bottom rotation and assa gear, chill like hell

[left ledge]

i mean idk man

i can record

and show

it is literally too fast to even see a delay

[small sleet]

The black bars that appear on the sides of your character are notifying you that your next finisher will refill your combo points unless you’ve turned those displays off

[patent ermine]

I always though the black bars mean full refill, but I've had it only fill 5 before. Is that a visual bug or some rare situation?

Doesn't happen often

[shrewd lantern]

....read what AA does

for the love of

[patent ermine]

Can't read unfortunately

[small sleet]

Apex procs at 5 sht stacks but can refill up to 7

[icy helm]

where do i activate this form? i dont any black bars

[small sleet]

If you have 7 sht stacks, which most of the time you will, it refills to 7

[shrewd lantern]

Honestly its kind of concerning in a way.

[hazy breach]

Spell opacity

[shrewd lantern]

The number of times i've seen people say AA fills are "random"

[hazy breach]

Or spell alert opacity

But you can also enable the buff in the cdm

[small sleet]

I mean I can see it if you’re not tracking sht stacks and have the little display thing turned off

[shrewd lantern]

tbf i dont track mine either

i just know i have stacks

if i spent awhile not pressing backstabs

[icy helm]

its fine, these black bars makes it easier now thanks

[patent ermine]

This guy's the flash, he sees delay in slowmo

[raven hazel]

If I pop shadow dance and talented black powder. Do you guys use black powder on 2 targets or keep it to eviscerate?

[left ledge]

yes you bp on 2 targets if you have potent powder

[icy helm]

for you is deffinately reloading the balls faster than mine. ill turn off some addons or something maybe its messing with the speed of the ui

[left ledge]

i see

maybe

i barely have addons so idk

[icy helm]

for me is like twice as slow, id say its .2 seconds until the balls reload the animation. But i turned on those black bars in the middle and those dont have any delay so now its easier for me to not mess up

i was wondering if it's just haste because this is an alt and still 270 atm

[small sleet]

Haste shouldn’t affect that at all

[shrewd lantern]

haste is such a placebo

for people

[left ledge]

nah haste has nothing to do with combo points or gcds on rogue

but yeah the bars should be more than enough

still kinda weird your combo points arent filling

id maybe look into getting an addon

i know that would bother the hell out of me lmao

[tribal vortex]

wangbar

[thick jasper]

!wangbar

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[thick jasper]

oh its not in here

[hazy breach]

?

[thick jasper]

!wangbar2

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[small sleet]

It right there

[thick jasper]

oh its same thing

[crude turret]

Am an outlaw main and i feel raid single target is getting me behind. Soo am looking into sub, what do you sub players say? is it worth the swap for raid and keep outlaw for m+?

[shrewd lantern]

Pretty sure outlaw is as good on ST if not better.

[small sleet]

A couple of the raid fights aren’t great for outlaw, but unless you’re pushing world ranks outlaw can be played on every fight with no issue

[shrewd lantern]

Well I mean, outlaw's issue isn't ST

[small sleet]

Ya outlaws single target is a little worse than subs at this point but not by that much

Like, they’re very comparable

[shrewd lantern]

well zac is rank 1 rn for all rogues on vora

though that might just be zac

xd

Idk crown is probably the only one grossly in sub's favor.

Downtime+damage amp are two things outlaw is allergic to.

[small sleet]

I mean outlaw has pretty high variance but I think on average sub should be doing more

[hollow spear]

ig it helped that zac is a god roller

[shrewd lantern]

Nah that's skill obs

I think they did remove outlaw's giga lowpoints

or reduced it

idr which

[hollow spear]

the way this looks is that jackpot even fell off and he immediately gambled another one

that's 🅱️ razy

[shrewd lantern]

last i checked

arent you guaranteed at least a double at the start

due to loaded dice

[hollow spear]

yeah you are guaranteed doubles pretty much always

if you don't lose uptime

[shrewd lantern]

and what uptime loss is on vora

XD

[hollow spear]

yeah ik

but he had a triple which he kir'd

[shrewd lantern]

[hollow spear]

and then a back to back jackpot

I mean, zac is probably the best outlaw out there, so there's few who could replicate the result even with the buffs

not going to check the top other outlaw logs, but I guess their buffs aren't going to look much worse either 😄

[shrewd lantern]

crown seems the only genuinely bad fight idk

blizz loves making endbosses that force you to afk

for rp reasons

[hollow spear]

you got some rp stuns on Lura too, but nothing too crazy

[small sleet]

Beloren isn’t super suited to outlaw, but at this point it doesn’t matter because the burn phase is a joke

[shrewd lantern]

That too

but i feel crown's damage amps also just make it better for sub

regardless

[hollow spear]

if all of your players have a pulse you should be able to beat the damage check

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i feel eggs are a bigger wipe con

to bel now

[hollow spear]

yeah

I mean I can talk, I was on vacation during bel prog :^)

[shrewd lantern]

fucking up balls and/or quills

[random mason]

killed dragons

[hollow spear]

Big

[random mason]

just noticed i didnt fucking take PP

[hollow spear]

Not so big

[random mason]

no PP dragon 🙁

still 91 boss dmg

guess kinda saved by finality 2/2

[icy helm]

another stupid question, do we use 1 shadow dance stack on secret technique and 1 on the normal spender or do we always hold on the shadow dance stacks only for secret technique? Because i notice the timer on refill is about so you can use it 1 on 1 off

[ember hull]

alright ive been converted to ds

ive seen the light

i also got promoted up into lura prog so that forced my hand

[hollow spear]

No we don't alternate

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

The only time you don't start dance with sectec is your second dance during lust

(assuming we're talking about trickster)

[icy helm]

so we just sit on 1 charge until secrec is back up?

i feel like if i alternate then i have to delay like 3 seconds or so until i use shadow with secrec again?

[ember hull]

you just send

oh wait maybe im trippin

[hollow spear]

You can alternate of course, but then your damage sucks donkey balls

[ember hull]

are we talking about the second sectech in blades not having empowered combo points

cause thats normal you use it before then

[shrewd lantern]

your second one isnt supercharged

[hollow spear]

I understand his line as actually alternating

[shrewd lantern]

unless its during lust

[hollow spear]

Yeah I get that of course

Idk maybe I'm reading it wrong

[icy helm]

ok so just to make it clear, both stacks of shadow dance are used only with secret technique

i dont use 1 stack with secret and 1 stack with eviscerate for example

[hollow spear]

^

Otherwise you only send with sectec as first global at 6/7 cp

#subtlety-faq

[ember hull]

https://tenor.com/view/i-understand-it-now-lethal-shooter-gif-13384594995304662997

[fossil forge]

wait are you guys sending stech in second dance outside of lust!

?

[shrewd lantern]

i meant as trickster cuh

[fossil forge]

Wtf have i always been griefing?

[upbeat cradle]

as trickster yes

in dance but not supercharged

if you have required haste + guidon it comes back like 3s before blades end

[fossil forge]

Ive just been ignoring that and spamming evis

And just using tech next dance

[upbeat cradle]

i'm ass with DS holy moly i do less damage than trickster

muscle memory too strong

[fossil forge]

How much loss are we talking not doing that

[shrewd lantern]

well the point is yeah your second sectech will still be in blades

but not supercharged

[upbeat cradle]

i think it was like 3% gain or something

don't take that for granted

[fossil forge]

im such a piggy fr

Ah well more free damage i guess

[vale pine]

haha ye

[fossil forge]

You learn something everyday

[vale pine]

time to dummy test

[upbeat cradle]

yeah it will come with practice

i did quite well on averzian with it but on vorasius i did less damage

than i usually do with trickster

[vale pine]

practice makes perfect

the optimization takes a bit more attention

[alpine wraith]

sometimes your second sec tech wont be on blades

but it is fine it will be on next dance with lingering

[subtle spruce]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[peak ice]

Do we know roughly when 12.07 will be

[warm marlin]

june 29

er 30th

[peak ice]

Cheers, was considering holding my rerolls on alt but like

[ember hull]

for ds, getting towards the end of my blades i seem to have a choice between a final DN empowered evisc or sectech what do i do

[peak ice]

It doesn’t actually make any sense

[warm marlin]

if youre talking about the spore guy

you can only roll once a week anyway

and youll get 2 tokens a week

so no reason to hold

[vale pine]

only guesses, no concrete date

[ember hull]

cause the pop of sectech would fall out of my blades anyways right? i end blades with a shadow dance and sectech ready to go, do i pop them right then? i would run outa dances then

[peak ice]

Yea I had a blonde moment

[ember hull]

or do i not have enough haste

[alpine wraith]

evis

you can sec tech next dance

dances as DS is trying to get all of the apex DN possible

thx to lingering lasting 30 extra secs sec tech is whatever

you will get 2 more in that window

[ember hull]

gotcha so like kinda just hold off on that sec tech and dance

[alpine wraith]

if you do the wait 8 secs for next dance as you end that one you have some secs left for the third one

[small sleet]

Dn empowered evis is way more important than sectech as ds. You dont worry about getting 2 sectechs in blades, you just send that next sectech the next shadow dance you use after blades

[ember hull]

and that next shadow dance is ready to go right after but i should hold right? i think hacha is basicalyl saying yes

cause if you send it right away you will run outa charged

[small sleet]

Uhh, just until you get your mark ready

[ember hull]

so like ready to dance right when dn pops?

so im not dn evis outside of a dance

[small sleet]

Like, if you end blades and you just used dn evis, you’ll have one charge of shadow dance and sectech already available, but you should move your mark down to one stack, get 5 sht stacks, evis to proc dn, then dance + shuriken storm, dn evis, then sectech

So you’ll sit on sectech a little bit there

[ember hull]

gotcha, so basically the first evis of a dance should be the dn evis

if you can

[small sleet]

First finisher of dance should always be dn evis

[ember hull]

roger

[small sleet]

So you can fit 2 dn evis in one dance

That’s why the 1100 haste is strong

[bronze hatch]

Literally logged in to ask how to maximize DS lol stay awesome sub disc

[alpine wraith]

i posted a video about ds just before but yea basically DN evis is the star boi of DS

sec tech is fine but you have priorities

[ember hull]

aight back too the dummy

im getting the dps higher each time

[alpine wraith]

when i get the gear ready i will post a 5 min thingy

[crude turret]

Does anyone have a up to date sub guide? Rotations etc?

[hollow spear]

Stop playing gacha games and start haste gaming, Hacha

[hazy breach]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[alpine wraith]

yea most written guides should be updated

[alpine wraith]

sorry friend i need to make a PoE video now XD then back to gacha wow is sleeper rn

[hollow spear]

Imma name change you to Gachadino

[alpine wraith]

i may upload some Laura showcase for DS because tbh without the BL on pull things get a bit krangled

[bronze hatch]

So DN evis > sectech? I should worry more about DN getting shadow dance bonus cps?

[alpine wraith]

it is more like sec tech can wait

[bronze hatch]

I see

[alpine wraith]

but DN is mark refresh+big damage

[bronze hatch]

We always want marks for sectech then

[alpine wraith]

and you want to cycle them

yea

and also normal finishers mark damage got even buffed

[small sleet]

If you’re starting dance with dn evis like you should, it will always get a supercharged combo point anyways

[alpine wraith]

30%

[stone vessel]

DS not worth it on <1000haste?

[bronze hatch]

Time to remove sectech dance macro

[alpine wraith]

you will feel the diff if you dont have 10xx high haste yes

[ember hull]

but the opener wont have the dn evis right

[alpine wraith]

you can use this one works for both specs
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast [known: Unseen Blade] Secret Technique; Shuriken Storm

[small sleet]

Could just sim it, but it will still perform well, just not near as ahead of trickster as if you had the haste

[small sleet]

Correct

[ember hull]

my god

the light

i see it

this is cooking

but i do have to use like 50% more of my brain than trickster

[small sleet]

It’s just muscle memory you get used to it and it starts to feel the same

[vernal drum]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[small sleet]

All it takes is one pull where you do obscene boss damage and you’ll be addicted to ds

[ember hull]

i just had to put a lil ding sound on when dn procs that helped a lot

[small sleet]

I had a wipe at the end of Lura intermission last night where I was at 150k st and next highest was like 125k and I’ll ride that high all week

[warm marlin]

where yo frost dk

[small sleet]

Bad pull for him lmao

He’s beating me a lot of the pulls

[warm marlin]

149k is quite high indeed

[small sleet]

That was an anomaly I was usually more around 135k at this point

[peak ice]

My brain is too smooth to change

[ember hull]

i thought the same too jello

come to the stalker side

its nice over here