subtlety

[short radish]

50/50

[tribal blade]

just miss all your arrows

[short radish]

either you wipe the raid

or you dont

[tribal blade]

soak every puddle debuff

miss every P2 obelisk

and you'll be gucci

[dusky yacht]

Shoot the slingshot into the ranged

That’ll teach em

[tribal blade]

yeah aim obelisks at ranged

fuck em

[dusky yacht]

Distanced bastards

[upbeat cradle]

why did it send twice lol

[dusky yacht]

Cause it wasn’t 100% either

echoes

[tribal blade]

our lock made this the other day

[upbeat cradle]

touché

[tribal blade]

because our BM hunter played SV on 1 night of lura

and said "you don't don't understand what i'm going through in melee"

[dusky yacht]

Poor guy is he okay

Awe

[tribal blade]

nah everyone flamed him lol

[dusky yacht]

Poor thing

[cinder nimbus]

lmao

[short radish]

our mage complained about how lura is "such an unfun fight for him"

[tribal blade]

LOL

only has blink

[short radish]

told him to shut the fuck up because "unfun" = i dont do damage

[dusky yacht]

Melee expansion confirmed

[cinder nimbus]

xd

[dusky yacht]

us, running half across the map to do mechanics that a psychopath would come up with if he wanted to torture melee players

[short radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401113423260946512/1436385342239412244/abfwnv.gif

[upbeat cradle]

defo melee raid

get cucked ranged !

oh wait

[cinder nimbus]

Pinks too

[short radish]

nah paladins are cool

theyre just pink rogues

[tribal blade]

at least belo and lura are not completely ass for melee

but the rest

jesus

[cinder nimbus]

hmmm yea

[dusky yacht]

Those guys don’t know what’s going on be gentle, poor pink bros

[short radish]

prot paladin was basically outlaw rogue except tank up till midnight

[tribal blade]

prot pal was always my favorite tank to run with

because you could brain off kicks for the most part

being in comms with a prot pal is fun too

"i have this kick"

"and next"

"and next"

"you get next"

[cinder nimbus]

bopping yourself as tank ✅

[dusky yacht]

I did a PoS with a pally tank bro has 53 interrupts and I was questioning why I was even there

[tribal blade]

"just kidding i can get it"

[cinder nimbus]

lmao

fair

[dusky yacht]

me, actively trying to beat the pally to the interrupts instead of dps since I’m top dps anyway

https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-hot-nervous-l4FATJpd4LWgeruTK

Radiant son of a b-

Then at end of dungeon someone said ‘great tanking’ and bro dips after just ‘xd’

[exotic gorge]

question, do we need to monitor find the weakness outside of aoe and throw a shuriken storm every now and then to proc it?

[jade urchin]

if no downtime, do we always send 3 dances between shadowblades? for the 3rd or 4th cds it seems to force some delaying for the second dance charge

[alpine wraith]

depends

[jade urchin]

in a pure patchwerk scenario, obviously it depends on boss

[sick lichen]

currently simming new deathstalker build and it sits happy at 1038 haste with aetherlume boots or 1062 haste with alleria neck (if I get it at some point), doesn't seem to want any higher haste, is there maybe a breakpoint after that where more haste is beneficial again?

[dusky yacht]

Recommended is 1100 haste, sim always wants you to have lower haste than that because it sim

[exotic gorge]

so do we worry about having find the weakness up in ST or nah?

[sick lichen]

okay but how do I factor in the human latency xdd

[dusky yacht]

No, it comes up basically automatically

[dusky yacht]

It’s factored in with the recommendation

[exotic gorge]

my understanding it comes up with stealth, but how about during the downtime periods

[dusky yacht]

Not only stealth, read talents

[exotic gorge]

such an elitest response.. ok well anyway der..shadowstrike/stealth

and or shuriken crit

[lofty sun]

Sorry to but in, is Guidon better than Puzzlebox for M+? I hate using Puzzle XD

[dusky yacht]

So when do you want it up? Dance? You got it.

Aoe? You got it.

Outside of dance? Do it from behind

[exotic gorge]

missed that, good pick up. thought in raid we cant always be behind

[manic glen]

anyone remember what the rule is for spellqueue window? like what to ideally set it too?

[sick lichen]

well, going for more than the sims want then, gotta trust eleem

[dusky yacht]

Outside of dance your dps is tickles

[exotic gorge]

That makes sense, ok so it doesnt matter and no need to track/keep up time

thank you for your patience.

[dusky yacht]

Exactly, yes

[dusky yacht]

700 trickster, 1100 DS, this also has ‘human latency’ calculated in, 684 is ‘real number minimum’ for trickster, I don’t know the number for DS, but yeah, trust Eleem.

[exotic gorge]

i will shadowmeld away now

[sick lichen]

absolutely not, remove it from your cdm

[dusky yacht]

I was at 687 haste for trickster a while and it was sweaty and questionable at best

(And I have 20ish ms)

[sick lichen]

my sub UI has more utility tracking than anything related to the spec or hero talent

[sick lichen]

damn I wish I had that low

[manic glen]

We're always trying to have AA up for each evisc right? or is it just send and pray it hits, i'm trying to look at top logs and people double send evisc back to back a lot so im just trying to figure out if they are getting AA procs for that or if they just dont care if its up or not

[dusky yacht]

I don’t track charges on feint personally, I have a bar that I can see peripheral when it’s up, and just press it when relevant. If it doesn’t go off on press I wait a few sec and press again. Similar with other cooldowns.

I mean I can look down if I really wanna know but personally I don’t like clutter.

[sick lichen]

i got my bars hidden, all information I need is centered

trying out other CDM addons atm as well, better cooldown manager has too much permanently on screen (like HS without a HS in bags, darkest night icon full colour/opacity without it available)

it can be slimmed down a bit

[dusky yacht]

Lots of people do it your way tho, I just don’t track most of it personally, but I have a good internal clock if that makes sense lol, I kinda know when something will be back up or nearly

I’m using ellesmere it has like everything built in (or almost everything)

[abstract cosmos]

hows ds feeling rn havent played rogue for 2 weeks

[upbeat cradle]

Outside of dance just go get coffee or pee

[dusky yacht]

Outside of dance try to kill mages with mechanics

[upbeat cradle]

Nah they die by themselves, i'd rather get the DK or DH killed

[dusky yacht]

Lmao

Fair

[upbeat cradle]

Mages are made of glass anyways

You could hit them outside of dance and they'd die

[dusky yacht]

Fight a mage and refuse to use dance out of sheer spite

[fallow ingot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r6U5bWup8KpgJbbBVSnsod almost 130k 💀

[dusky yacht]

Please stop I need more drops before I can go DS realistically

Then again I should prolly check

[fallow ingot]

i will get 1k1 haste with new raid ring ffs

[dusky yacht]

But crown prog tonight so hopefully drop

[fallow ingot]

no reclear unitl lura dead for me

[dusky yacht]

Oof

[fallow ingot]

but already have alleria neck in HC

[dusky yacht]

I got crafted 285

But yeah alleria neck would be sick

It’s like >100 haste in one slot

Then I recraft and regem and flask and I’m gucci

(I think)

[fallow ingot]

i cba to regem but will sim it

[south moss]

I have a pretty random question, im looking at the top 100 specs for myth lura, and I don't understand why weaponmaster is only at 38.7%. It's not so much that its at 38.7%. its that I dont see where the remaining % is distributed on the talent chart. I.e. if only 38.7% of top 100 sub rogues are taking it, where are they putting the talent point instead?

[shy ermine]

2nd point in finality

[alpine wraith]

yea wm is worse than 2/2 finality

after the bugs were implemented in simc

[south moss]

ahhh ok

ty

[sick lichen]

such a dreaded thing to hear

[south moss]

kinda dumb it doesnt have a way of showing if they are putting 1 or 2 points into finality

[fallow ingot]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=268290/sporecallers-blooming-loop?bonus=13334:13787#dropped-by As sub rogue we will not proc the dmg effect right ?

[whole lichen]

poisons?

[fallow ingot]

Oh yeah i'm dumb

oh new raid drop a bis belt, nice

[mighty citrus]

as DS we cant fit 2st in blades right?

[fallow ingot]

with lust yeah, without not sure

[alpine wraith]

without bl you get the second one in third dance

[tribal blade]

it will likely do the least dmg on sub out of all 3 rogue specs

[alpine wraith]

and it is ok because you have lingering

[fallow ingot]

its for the stats in the first place tbh

[tribal blade]

true yeah

i was more so thinking out loud

[fallow ingot]

we will need the 3 items from rootmire

and recraft bracers over belt in my case

[keen steppe]

Prophet how you doin?

[tribal blade]

could be worth using it so you're not locked into the nexus ring stats

[fallow ingot]

and will be at 1k130 haste ich

[tribal blade]

GOOD HOW BOUT YOU

[keen steppe]

thank you

[tribal blade]

hot

[keen steppe]

You mate

[fallow ingot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X4KrmFY6y2qCn1AB?fight=112&type=damage-done&targetclass=Boss as expected, DS toping boss dmg on Lura

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

[vale pine]

time

[prime mortar]

Hello boys,

Any reason why Droptimizer/Top gear starts to recommend vers over mastery/haste at the moment? Currently simming as Trickster

[vale pine]

It is fine to be slightly under, just don't go too low. Think the best way to deal with it, if in doubt, is to hit the dummy and see if you drop casts

[sick lichen]

wdym with drop casts?

[fallow ingot]

Had the same issue, but the sim made me to break the 700 haste cap so i did not follow thaht sim

[vale pine]

well the reason you use haste is to be able to use secret 2 times in blades and utialize all gcd's

if you can't do that reliably, you might be too low on haste

[prime mortar]

Even have to select flask otherwise it picks crit default...

[fallow ingot]

Yeah default simc profile is crit one

have the same issue with DS i have to set haste flask

[prime mortar]

I've simmed with whetstone out of habit, will see if it changes anything, but since i'm using the stone from TBC, it's not like i'm using 2x oil

Nop, still recommends me to get vers

[fallow ingot]

as trick get 700 haste then go mast/crit heavy and thats fine

[nova cairn]

What's the easiest way to farm myth crests m+?

[prime mortar]

Yeah, i'll do the same for DS, 1100 and the rest is crit mastery

[fallow ingot]

Vers is dogshit outisde mark of the wild and vantus

[prime mortar]

M+, 10

[fallow ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kDbrccgc6I

[graceful portal]

Hey we are 2 sub rogue in my guild and the other keep mentionning issues about poison/clones procs when playing twice de same rogue spec (sub in this case) but i've never noticed anything and idk if it is true

[fallow ingot]

Dunno i'm the only rogue

[alpine wraith]

nah that is bull

[prime mortar]

Skill issue

[upbeat cradle]

Hasn't been a thing since classic

[alpine wraith]

it has happened a few times but not recently

[upbeat cradle]

In classic it was basically an arm race to stack deadly poison vs the other rogues

Retails is whatever

[graceful portal]

Yeha ok he asked gemini and is being annoying/ complaining evey time to our RL and now they want me to respec lmao

[prime mortar]

Are u outperforming him?

[graceful portal]

Yeah LMAO

[prime mortar]

Then that's the reason

[graceful portal]

but i'm "new" to the guild he is there since the start

[upbeat cradle]

Asking AI anything is dumb when you can Google it yourself

[graceful portal]

so just wanted to be sure 100% before answering

[fallow ingot]

LMAO

[graceful portal]

So there is nothing "bad" playing 2 sub rogue (apart form palying rogue)

[upbeat cradle]

I raid with 2 other rogues and have no issues

[solid lotus]

send them here

[upbeat cradle]

Besides being rogues

[solid lotus]

we will all collectively tell him off

[graceful portal]

Bahahaha

[prime mortar]

It is not "bad". Comp wise not the best, but you're prolly not Liquid so who cares

[graceful portal]

anyway i'm bench this week so idc

[small sleet]

[graceful portal]

and the RL is acting nicely like not forcing anything he is just trying to adapt and not create dramas

But still annoying to heard

[solid lotus]

not creating drama is telling the other guy he is wrong

[upbeat cradle]

I mean yeah we're on paladins so rogues defo are bad

[dusky yacht]

Lmao weirdos in some guilds man

[solid lotus]

instead of making you feel bad

[graceful portal]

same here

first trys monday and i had 30-50k more than him every try (ego maxxing)

[prime mortar]

Ppl can't accept that the newbie is outperforming them and make them looks bad

[graceful portal]

Yeah

that

I'll just think this is the explanation

i'm happy with that

i'll respec outlaw and surpass him even more

[solid lotus]

anyway im trying DS on M Lura, do i just dance storm and thats the only real change (and DN on 7+AA)

[dusky yacht]

Honestly I had same kind of bs in my last guild, egos feel threatened and they start being weird af, so happy I got out of there

[upbeat cradle]

0cp dance/storm

Pref with only one stack left on mark

Sectech -> apex DN evi

[prime mortar]

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast [known:441146][stance:1/2] Secret Technique; [known:457052] Shuriken Storm

[upbeat cradle]

Ego is useless when trying to kill a boss, unless you reach a critical mass of it and it crushes the boss under the weight

[prime mortar]

Just remind yourself to enter 0CP as DS, 6+ as Trickster

[solid lotus]

yeah i went sub (ass man 🍑 ) on m belo and am just hard locked now

[finite lark]

hello boys, is it something to wanna keep the crafter dagger over the myth ones? sims do sure like it that way but i dont understand it , im above the haste cap in any combination so yea, any good info on this?

[prime mortar]

U would be surprised as a RL and GM how many people i have seen with ego bigger than the fucking sun

[upbeat cradle]

Do you have a second embelish on another crafted armor piece ?

[finite lark]

ahhh the embelishments rightttt

whoops ur right

[dusky yacht]

And they’re always the ones playing ez ass meta specs

[graceful portal]

@alpine wraith he sent me your logs

wtf

[prime mortar]

Should i talk about .... BM HUNTERS?

[dusky yacht]

Bro get Hachadino to join your guild discord or group convo he can call him out on his bs personally

[alpine wraith]

XD

[prime mortar]

Hacha, be the trojan, this is your destiny now

[upbeat cradle]

I mean we're kinda melee BM hunter. Without raid buff or utility.

[dusky yacht]

Hacha, savior of the bullied rogue

[prime mortar]

Don't say it, we're rogue, big IQ class.

[solid lotus]

@short radish why is your name yellow ingame but blue here

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[short radish]

[small sleet]

Ngl really wishing my raid team had a second sub rogue for me to blame my performance on right about now…

[dusky yacht]

Yes Fim, tell us what you’re hiding

[wheat edge]

nah just gaslight ur raid team that u need more rogues so ur poison stacks faster

[upbeat cradle]

You could blame each other for the bad raid fights

[dusky yacht]

I’ll have to talk to officers about getting us a green parsing rogue

We all need somebody to talk shit about to lift ourselves up

[dusky yacht]

I am concerned because nowadays this would prolly work

[placid blade]

Always happy to green parse for others.

[prime mortar]

Well, get @graceful portal teammate, shoud be a fair fight

[upbeat cradle]

Nah find a purple parsing rogue. Get chummy with him. Ask him to parse green and you parse gray

And then you both can say you don't know why

Gemini said it was the other rogue

[placid blade]

Real strat is to blame the hunters. It's always their fault.

[dusky yacht]

Agree to ask them to test not having mages and then both parse pink and be like SEE NO MAGES ALLOWED

[upbeat cradle]

All our hunters rerolled we have only one left

We'd like it if he stayed

😂

[placid blade]

He probably isn't hunter's marking right

gotta be the problem

[short radish]

[prime mortar]

Coming back with my stats question, could we consider, as trickster this is a good repartition? And now i just send it on mastery crit itemsif i can :

[dusky yacht]

Loser my prog dragons parse was 28 are you even trying smh

[upbeat cradle]

New goal. Gray parse with 6.7

Instant recruiting

[upbeat cradle]

Yeah it works

[dusky yacht]

Not bad at all

[upbeat cradle]

Crit is more ST, mastery is more AOE, both are more or less equal

Depends what you want

[prime mortar]

So just need to replace Heroic items by the same MM one, and i'm done. Got it

[dusky yacht]

Ignore Charles, stack versatility, parse grey, bait buffs from blizz

[prime mortar]

Green parse, i'll gaslight myself

[dusky yacht]

[upbeat cradle]

Truuuuue

And if they doubt you. Just send them Hachadino's logs ?

[dusky yacht]

‘Hachadino did it, therefore your argument is invalid.’

‘QED’

[latent remnant]

band is big except I don't think I can offset the 160 haste I'd lose from heroic nexus ring currently 😔

[upbeat cradle]

Haste flask ?

[prime mortar]

Even with flask?

[dusky yacht]

Personally I’d take band and hold it for later

Or flask, TRUE

[upbeat cradle]

I run 540 haste gear now, if i switch around chest boots qnd bracers i get 940

[placid blade]

take plume play ass

[upbeat cradle]

So i just haste flask everything

[latent remnant]

oh right haven't simmed flask to see what that would give me

[upbeat cradle]

For Trick and DS

[prime mortar]

Take plume; play outlaw

[dusky yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[upbeat cradle]

And haste flasks are cheaper than mastery

God knows how poor my account currently is

[dusky yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-andy-dwyer-the-economy-economy-chris-pratt-gif-20417239

[prime mortar]

Lies

[upbeat cradle]

Woah mastery on my servers are like 850

I sold 21 of them yesterday

To buy haste flasks

[dusky yacht]

I make my own

[prime mortar]

Omw to buy them on my server, sell it on yours

[upbeat cradle]

I'm gonna change mining into alchemy

[placid blade]

I thought consumables were region wide on the AH

[upbeat cradle]

To save up flasks

[latent remnant]

theyre basically equal here

[prime mortar]

@upbeat cradle US server?

[mighty citrus]

i missed the convo, so to play ds its also fine to reach the 1000 haste with flask? i was under the missconception that i need 1000 without flask, oils etc

[upbeat cradle]

EU, but that was yesterday, don't think price dropped that much in such a short time ?

[prime mortar]

1100

[upbeat cradle]

1100 with everything, flasks. Oils,

[dusky yacht]

I’m also making my own max rank potentials now but I gulp them down too fast to save them up lmao m+ is rough

[mighty citrus]

ty

[upbeat cradle]

I just use r1 unless i'm pushing 19+

[prime mortar]

I can tell u have a drinking problem

[upbeat cradle]

I have a gambling problem

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/drunk-raccoon-L6JsnQOgrKMTK

[upbeat cradle]

I always bet on the wrong teams to do keys with

[alpine wraith]

i still dont understand why he sent my logs tho

what was he trying to say

[dusky yacht]

You are our template Hachadino

[prime mortar]

Stop doing them

[upbeat cradle]

Gemini sent himyour logs

[dusky yacht]

Careful guys AI is gonna conquer the world

[cinder nimbus]

fake logs btw

[latent remnant]

dps loss to swap hero ring for band and change flask apparently

[alpine wraith]

sims can be a bit krangly with haste things

[placid blade]

just rip it anyway

them robots don't know shit

[prime mortar]

LISTEN TO SIMS WE TOLD YOU

[upbeat cradle]

Yeah

[alpine wraith]

ah that is so good

[alpine wraith]

gemini knows

[solid lotus]

🙏

[dusky yacht]

Hachadino is lowkey homies with the AI billionaires

Confirmed

[prime mortar]

MAJ + WIn + S

[upbeat cradle]

I should reinstall elvui

[alpine wraith]

i do have some rigs i rent out to people

maybe the robots liked them

[upbeat cradle]

Using no UI addons and somehow my combo points always dissapear midfight

[dusky yacht]

We must stan this man who supported us

[summer peak]

Do we have a true breakpoint for DS haste? im guessing im golden here

[dusky yacht]

But what if you got 4 more haste rating though hmm..

[prime mortar]

Ask gemini

[small sleet]

Yes that’s fine

[prime mortar]

Probably tell you to get vers after

[dusky yacht]

asks Gemini
Gemini links me Hacha’s logs
argues with Hacha using his own logs

Checkmate, atheists

[upbeat cradle]

Real breakpoint is 1064 i think

[green torrent]

is dungeon slice an accurate way to sim for m+

[upbeat cradle]

Human error makes it rounds up to 1100 tho

[cinder nimbus]

ask hachadino

[small sleet]

I don’t personally trust dungeon slice sims, it outputs some weird shit pretty often

[distant sage]

Ye but if you are bored you can sim 1 minute 10 ratgets 4 minutes st

[prime mortar]

Omw to make gemini link my logs cause i need to be acknowledge by AI

[mighty citrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pSvZ4WTRaw1eJLm6EAoLt4

[prime mortar]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yakuza-6

[mighty citrus]

the haste thing is not reflected in sims?

it wants me to switch 130 haste ring with no haste ring

[upbeat cradle]

No

Sims are for robots

Our fat fingers aren't flawlessly executing the rotation

[mighty citrus]

okay then i hit 1100 haste, is crit still = mast? as i only have very little crit left

then i might need to move things around again

[prime mortar]

Crit for ST, Mast for AOE, but pretty much the same

[upbeat cradle]

More or less

[small sleet]

Mast is better than crit in st for ds last I checked

[upbeat cradle]

Is it ?

[small sleet]

Crit not very good because apexed dn is guaranteed crit

[mighty citrus]

wait you guys say two diff things

😄

[upbeat cradle]

Oh yea

DN is guaranteed crit

Mastery must be slightly better

But it's more or less equal in the grand scheme of things

[small sleet]

Important part is being 1100 haste

[mighty citrus]

okay the thing is i have almost double the mast than crit

[small sleet]

That’s fine

[mighty citrus]

so need to change enchants, gems etc i guess to make it more equal

[small sleet]

For deathstalker

[mighty citrus]

as the robot cant help me

yeah my trickster gear is very good

just want to try out ds on lura

[vale pine]

please don't change ring enchant

[upbeat cradle]

Important part is 1100 haste and as close to 0 vers as possible

[vale pine]

eagle is too good, so keep it

[mighty citrus]

will keep eagle

[vale pine]

it is fine to play deathstalker without 1100 haste too

[prime mortar]

Btw, which boss we would consider ST? Imperator / Vora / Saladbar / Lura ?

[vale pine]

first 3 if adds die fast, crown, laura

[lusty narwhal]

does anything change rotationally with DS or just adjust gear to meet new haste breakpoint and do everything as usual

[prime mortar]

Belo? I haven't done the fight in MM

[upbeat cradle]

you go into dance with 0 cp

[small sleet]

There are rotation and priority changes

[upbeat cradle]

0cp, 1 stack of mark left pref, dance into shuriken storm into sectech

make sure DN evi is always apex'd

[lusty narwhal]

oh yeah and still shuriken storm directly after dance

[vale pine]

don't think ds is better on belo, given the short time or relevance of your damage

[prime mortar]

True

[vale pine]

• replace your dance + secret macro with dance + storm
• dance with 0 cp
• instead of only optimizing for supercharger, DN (the capstone note) is also optimized around in a similar way
• Make sure to bind Marked for Death for target switches or when Mark bugs out

[hazy breach]

Well you had too much haste, so it wants to drop some

[prime mortar]

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast [known:441146][stance:1/2] Secret Technique; [known:457052] Shuriken Storm

This works

[vale pine]

👍

don't think you need the stance check

[prime mortar]

To prevent the secret tech from firing outside of dance

[vale pine]

but why would you press your shadow dance key without dance?

[small sleet]

You don’t ever press keybinds just to make sure they know you miss them?

[upbeat cradle]

not like you have buttons on your bars, just use dance storm macro and sectech on another button lol

[placid blade]

I do it sometimes. Because I'm bad.

[prime mortar]

Cause i found myself pressing SD too quick when it had like .5 on it

[abstract sand]

Is Trickster still better for M+ before changes?

[small sleet]

Yes and also after changes

[vale pine]

fair

[mighty citrus]

do we somehow try to align dance and DN? cause iam testing at a dummy and this feels very scuffed

i hope no 😄

like forcing

[prime mortar]

Had to call wipes eachtime i did just to hide the fact that i'm terrible at this game

[hazy breach]

Sit at 1 stack of mark > build 5 sht > eviscerate > go into dance

[vale pine]

happens, everyone has diffrent habbits

[keen dome]

that's my tactic too

[mighty citrus]

mhhh

[upbeat cradle]

i force it

[small sleet]

Why is it actually better to sit at 1 stack instead of having dn available so you can dn on your first finisher of dance

[upbeat cradle]

premed bug i think

[small sleet]

Shuriken storm clears premed

[hazy breach]

Hunt them down

[small sleet]

Ah ok

[hazy breach]

Or well

I shouldve specified better

Its 1 stack of mark > 5 sht > eviscerate > dance

[small sleet]

Oh ok that makes way more sense thats what I was doing

I was like how the fuck do you get a second dn in dance if you don’t start with one lmao

[manic glen]

Ah yes... pain...

[hazy breach]

Thats fine

[manic glen]

Not for my brain it isn't, that 1 haste is why i'm bad

[upbeat cradle]

that 1 haste is why you're not parsing pink

that and the other rogue in your raid

the one you don't see

[earnest prairie]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[upbeat cradle]

trust me i have hachadino's logs

[dusky yacht]

That 1 haste is why he aint Hachadino, ask Gemini bozos

Poor Hacha he never asked for any of this

[upbeat cradle]

unfortunate

he became the face of rogues for Gemini

[dusky yacht]

It’s all fun and games until you’re the meme

[upbeat cradle]

haven't we been the meme when we created a rogue instead of a DK to begin with

[dusky yacht]

We was cool

[upbeat cradle]

my RL asked me why i was still playing Rogue

I dunno man

so i can bring the 3.2 DR poison

[placid blade]

Tell them to mind their own business.

[upbeat cradle]

[small sleet]

It’s 3.6 buddy don’t tax us

[upbeat cradle]

3.6

[small sleet]

and don’t forget it

[dusky yacht]

Man my new guildlead is like ‘We need a Rogue and don’t have anybody else, I haven’t even looked at your dps but you should pass trial soonish’

‘I looked at your dps you will pass trial during or after cosmos’ LMAO

I feel so wanted

[brave stream]

hello everyone new here 😄

[dusky yacht]

Run while you still can

[tepid trellis]

hello, everyone new here

[small sleet]

Hello smoozh I am me

[dusky yacht]

Every new here everyone

[brave stream]

XD

[upbeat cradle]

i'm raiding for two guilds, with two rogues, and i'm stuck on both guilds on paladins

[dusky yacht]

Tell us, have you ever gone as far as to do look more like?

[random mason]

[manic glen]

https://tenor.com/view/sanguine-cats-all-your-base-are-belong-to-us-all-your-base-gif-4575017886399460670

[dusky yacht]

Smoozh 5 min ago: I’ll join the Rogue discord for helpful and informative chats

Smoozh now:

[upbeat cradle]

that is why we can't have nice things

[brave stream]

true true xD haaha no but

[random mason]

How bad is paladin prog

[upbeat cradle]

on rogue ? i wanna shoot myself in the head after every night

i really dislike that fight

[tepid trellis]

i luckily got to skip prog on that fight

[random mason]

Im already annoyed with dragons bc its literally a breath execution and 2nd intermission prog rn

[upbeat cradle]

dragons is like

just position yourself well

not even sure there is an enrage ?

[random mason]

When i tanked it on hc on my tank alt it was really fun tbh

[dusky yacht]

On vanguards as sub what I did was play a minigame called ‘break the shield and be the interrupt on the cast every time’ while pretending to do dps

[random mason]

We are not hitting enrage

[upbeat cradle]

HC paladins are fine

[dusky yacht]

I parsed 62

[upbeat cradle]

Mythic paladins are like

🤮

[random mason]

We are like 30% before 2nd intermission

[hollow spear]

Applying to pugs on a Wednesday

kinda rip

[upbeat cradle]

if you pass 2nd intermission you pretty much cleared the fight

[dusky yacht]

Stop harming yourself Colo there are people that care about you

[icy pond]

I'm not sure if this conversation is about the rogue sub 🤷‍♂️

[tepid trellis]

my guild is doing 2x lura this week, think that might be content in the 2nd run

[dusky yacht]

[random mason]

Yeah theres either a wipe to a breath or we die to 2nd intermission

Or ppl somehow kill each other with orbs which i dont get

[upbeat cradle]

i say that but i don't think my guilds would be able to rekill dragons the kills each time were so scuffed

they decided to extend the lockout to do paladins instead

[hollow spear]

I need to disappoint myself by bombing another two bonus rolls

[dusky yacht]

We’re talking about sub rogue on vanguards

[random mason]

We cant extend cause everyone needs vaelgors

[manic glen]

This conversation is about submissive rogues, wrong discord

[dusky yacht]

Do you guys enjoy it too when you’re bottom dps on vanguards uwu

[graceful osprey]

So…what about dom rogues?

[brave stream]

i got some macros for sub rouge but does anyone got recomendation whats good to have more then ( backstab/shadowstrike switch) ( shadowdance-shadow blade) and (black powder- coup de grace) ? 😄

[dusky yacht]

They’re playing dk

[upbeat cradle]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[dusky yacht]

And

[jade urchin]

anyone knows why potion of recklessnes gives me haste when im 900 mastery 800 crit 700 haste?

[dusky yacht]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[tepid trellis]

i wasent, checkmate

[random mason]

Bc youre using guidon before u potion

[small sleet]

U clickin it after u use guidon dingus

[jade urchin]

omg

[random mason]

Did that as well

[jade urchin]

LMAOP

[dusky yacht]

Shit Stealthi you gotta stop doing this

[random mason]

The CD misalignment from that is insane

[tepid trellis]

the elemental shaman was below me

he got absolutely meter mogged

[random mason]

3 STs in blades possible

[dusky yacht]

Outplayed

Krill issue

Has he tried using buttons like idk

[random mason]

All i did was put potion before trinkets in my macro, easiest fix of my life

[jade urchin]

bro i was so confused when i saw 13 sec shadow dance, pressed c and saw 105% haste during bl

[dusky yacht]

Budget potion

[tepid trellis]

it was meant to be

he had 0 chance

[dusky yacht]

It was written in the ancient texts, promised to him 3000 years ago

[small sleet]

Ele sham 2/3 target is a fuckin travesty

[dusky yacht]

Couldn’t be us right guys

[placid blade]

I have no idea what I should be doing in 2-target in keys

[dusky yacht]

Right

Guys

[manic glen]

I just hit black powder and pray man, don't ask me too many questions

[tepid trellis]

strike in dance
storm outside

[dusky yacht]

ST dps prio -> caster -> anything else

[tepid trellis]

press BP

[placid blade]

Usually just end up eviscing the high health boss so they actually die at the same time.

[small sleet]

Yeah that’s usually the right thing to do

[dusky yacht]

You just want that fight over with asap so you can get bp spamming again

[tepid trellis]

overall dmg all that matters trust

[dusky yacht]

Feint overrated, just spam bp harder

[placid blade]

I strive to maintain 100% uptime on feint, unless an AE is happening. Can't be caught with it in those.

[hazy breach]

Would not recommend doing second boss of skyreach with sub+ele+aug

That little bird did not die to cleave

[small sleet]

Holy fuck that sounds awful

[placid blade]

3rd boss*

[small sleet]

I literally say in chat, “yo I’m not gonna do shit to the adds”

[dusky yacht]

I strive to maintain -0% feint uptime and 100% aura uptime

[hazy breach]

Ye third, whatever

[small sleet]

Just do 100k st and kidney the birds behind the pillar and no one will question your 1.5m damage to the adds over the entire fight

[dusky yacht]

I insta cheap or kidney the add spawns

Not all heroes wear capes I wear cloaks

[azure ember]

anyone played or tried DS on lura?

[dusky yacht]

I would ask Stealthi I heard he wasn’t last dps on vanguards

[small sleet]

I’ve been playing it for Lura prog but have not done p3 or p4 yet

[azure ember]

how do u find it?

[small sleet]

I think it’s fun, and the damage feels good

[dusky yacht]

Smh I’m gonna lose my mind until I’ve gotten the haste req and know the rotation of it

[tepid trellis]

its good on lura

[small sleet]

I’m ending p1 upwards of 150k boss dps on some pulls where I get lucky

[hazy breach]

The more i play deathstalker the more i hate this talent btw

[tepid trellis]

yes

[small sleet]

Yeah I know what you mean

[hazy breach]

Wouldnt actually surprise me if this was a dps loss

But you cant untalent it

So

[dusky yacht]

Oof

[small sleet]

Sometimes you can black powder the first add spawns of Lura and you spike to 400k dps, sometimes you can’t

[hazy breach]

Because most of the time this talent proccing just means you spend 5 more seconds sitting at full cp backstabbing instead of eviscerating > backstabbing back to 7

Or you need to strike at full cp if its during dance

[small sleet]

Is it correct to ignore supercharger optimization to fit 2 dns into one sd

[hazy breach]

what

[small sleet]

Uhh like

[tribal blade]

on sectec

with 2nd supercharger i assume

[radiant swift]

why is that?

[hazy breach]

You dont care about superchargers as DS

[small sleet]

Ok ya

[hazy breach]

As in you dont care about apexing them

[small sleet]

That’s what I figured

[manic glen]

oh so we aren't forcing AA procs to just full send?

[tribal blade]

just as DS

[small sleet]

You force aa procs on dn eviscerates

[tribal blade]

you only want to apex DN

[manic glen]

oh fuck yeah

[tribal blade]

i'm staying trickster for now on lura

[hollow spear]

I knew it!

[tribal blade]

i'm helping carry the crystal dmg

[small sleet]

Cope

[hollow spear]

and yes, I hate that talent

[tribal blade]

if i don't stay trickster they prob won't die in time

[tribal blade]

nah i'm actually in a mid guild lol

[hollow spear]

We have an enhance shammy and two ww

They better die

[tribal blade]

a lot of crystal sets come down to the wire

[small sleet]

Wat da hell your guild needs to learn how to pad more aggressively

[olive canyon]

did any of you run any thing non-standard for belo?

[hollow spear]

Prophet conditioned his guild to let him pad

[olive canyon]

like going puzzle box or cloud cover?

[tribal blade]

lol yup

we currently have 5 people doing tank dmg

[small sleet]

Honestly, it’s so unnecessary, dps means nothing on that fight it’s just about doing it right

[tribal blade]

so there's that

[tribal blade]

this

[olive canyon]

i hear that but its sort of all that matters

so if i can just do more and carry more then i rather do so

[tribal blade]

nah beloren has just become a mechanics check

[hollow spear]

Can't carry that

If your guild shits the bed on mechanics

Your 3% extra damage won't change anything

That reminds me

I forgot to pick up the raid buff in midnight falls

[mighty citrus]

with my gear, after oils and flask

sad

(and sockets)

[small sleet]

1096 is enough

[hollow spear]

No, it looks disgusting

Can't play like that

[tribal blade]

across 42 pulls on lura today

we really need the crystal dmg

[olive canyon]

how are you guys finding the third set of crystals with 2 dks

[small sleet]

2 hunters and neither will pad on mm gg

[tribal blade]

it's mostly ok, sometimes we have stragglers though

and on those sets me being trickster is pretty huge

[tribal blade]

YUP

[olive canyon]

Just gripping them all in gets awkward

[tribal blade]

we had a 3rd dk

[olive canyon]

gorefiends can help but yeh, really thinking of a third dk for that

[tribal blade]

he has a 2nd baby incoming

so he's not raiding anymore i think

[olive canyon]

fair reeason

[mighty citrus]

the last thing to figgure out is if i wanna use the high crit or high mastery ring as haste is secured. so option 1 is having 770 crit and 730 mast or option two going with 480 crit and 880 mast 😄

[tribal blade]

i thought he was gonna finish off this tier, but maybe not

[mighty citrus]

or option 3 fuck it

doesnt matter

😄

[hazy breach]

You want every dance to look pretty much like this, and when this talent procs you end up with 1 stack of mark way too early before your dance/sectech is ready for the next dance

[brisk raptor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/vBdacTK1bPVLj3Ct/zVfwAajhXqDWkcCF?fight=1%2C30&type=damage-done&source=22%2CKeodi

any idea why my nimble flurry damage would be so much lower in this comparison?

[hollow spear]

😠

[tribal blade]

yeah i noticed that too

i dunno what to do at that point

[sullen hare]

Vers 🤢

[hazy breach]

You just tank it and wait

[whole lichen]

catalyst for more mastery📈

[small sleet]

They probably used their coups while adds were out and you used yours single target on boss is my guess

[hazy breach]

Curse blizzard for introducing a cringe talent that ruins the flow

[swift tinsel]

It’s nice when it happens in dance but pre-dance quietus is gross

[hazy breach]

[hazy breach]

I mean its the same thing if it happens in dance

[tribal blade]

but it's good for sin 🙂

[hazy breach]

But then you also need to strike at full cp

[hollow spear]

bigbigbig

[mighty citrus]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[hazy breach]

And the sequencing is still fucked for the next one

[brisk raptor]

Ahh I see. Wonder if for parse purposes if it’s worth holding coup for adds then? Lol

[small sleet]

Is vanish actually useful for ds? Currently I’ve just been using it in this scenario to cycle through the marks fast with the extra premed combo points

[hazy breach]

Yeah you can use it to unfuck your mark

To allign it back up

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

sitting at 10 stacks of sht and 100 energy for 8 seconds

[swift tinsel]

All the more reason I don’t feel bad for not playing DS

[tribal blade]

i looked at a bunch of DS logs and they don't follow the sit at 1 mark rule all the time

looks a lot more all over the place

entering dance at kinda w/e

[swift tinsel]

Probs people getting used to it

[hollow spear]

whenever I try to push for another DN

I frick it up

[tribal blade]

yeah true

[swift tinsel]

Like I know I fucked it up a few pulls last night

[hollow spear]

even with Vanish you end up sitting at low sht stacks

which is kinda int

[olive canyon]

I just checked

we had several ppl not having tis

ty for massive reminder

[hollow spear]

idiots, would never happen to me

[mighty citrus]

what i noticed with a few quick hc bosses now is i end up having 1s of my second dance left in blades while st comes up. so if i would press st it would not benefit fully from dance vs my dance charges have cooldown and i sit on st a few seconds

[random mason]

Didnt it reset for some reason as well

[hazy breach]

You dont press it

[random mason]

Last patch

[olive canyon]

perhaps but about 4 dps didnt have the buff which is nuts

[alpine wraith]

as DS you just send on next dance

[hazy breach]

You just sectech next dance instead. The main star of the show as ds is the apexed DN

[random mason]

Like not for everyone but some ppl had to go get it again

[alpine wraith]

funnily enough lingering is strong

so you may even do more dmg

than with blades on that sec tech

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/red-button-spam-press-button-click-gif-17367381

[mighty citrus]

mh

[hollow spear]

sub rogues having to not press sectec the second it comes up

[small sleet]

I think ds would flow way better if you didn’t have sectech at all

[mighty citrus]

😄

[alpine wraith]

possibly

or if dn worked on all finishers

[summer peak]

Hey mate is there a reason you Evis after dance / ss, instead of sectec

[swift tinsel]

Yeah this has been my biggest mental hurdle is not firing off dances with Sectech lol

[alpine wraith]

like CB did

[ashen warren]

Does anyone have an opener I could follow for this patch if I want to play DS ? Like a log or smthing

[tribal blade]

i still think sectec should be doing way more dmg than it's currently doing

[hazy breach]

Darkest Night

[tribal blade]

we should always be optimizing around sectec

[alpine wraith]

think im posing the video today but also just go through eleems messages

[tribal blade]

no matter our hero tree

[alpine wraith]

he posted it earlier

[hollow spear]

I am not even getting invited to "helping friend" groups, it's so over

[latent remnant]

🤔 looking now with haste flask, engi wrist craft and re-gemming stuff I could maybe hit 1100 haste

[alpine wraith]

smh not 291 ilvl

[swift tinsel]

Forever stuck at 290.81

[hollow spear]

new gear set

[small sleet]

Your ilvl in bags is what shows when you queue

[swift tinsel]

Mine is DS Haste (Gross)

[small sleet]

Doesn’t matter what you’re wearing

[hollow spear]

god damnit

let me cope man

[small sleet]

Queue into 13s and 14s if you want invites

[alpine wraith]

yea if you have any hc gear just craft there

[small sleet]

10s and 12s are impossible to get into

[alpine wraith]

free ilvl

[random mason]

Ppl dont know how much dmg sub rogue does theyre always stuck on whatever the start of the season was

[alpine wraith]

dmg is the least of the reason people invite to low keys

[hollow spear]

I've yet to get beaten in these shitter keys

[alpine wraith]

they just want buffs

[random mason]

I keep getting absolute dog shit DKs and Augs in keys bc ppl think theyre still insanely strong

[swift tinsel]

Which is funny bc at low keys you can turbo fuck them without a meta comp as everyone just wants to reroll in them lol

[hollow spear]

dont even know how you can do shit dam on uhdk

[mighty citrus]

adding to that, all the rules we have for trickster like 10s left of blades cd dont touch new dance etc are still valid?

[swift tinsel]

Right the spec just gives you damage for logging into it

[random mason]

Idk either man but ppl just make it happen

[hollow spear]

that's good compared to some animals I have encountered

[cunning goblet]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[swift tinsel]

Rating/gear inflation has made it a fraudulent season

[short radish]

show deaths

[swift tinsel]

Okay 123k at 283ilvl is kinda criminal

Same with the spriest

[hollow spear]

you could tell me that's normal for spriests and I wouldnt know

[small sleet]

Spriest does solid damage rn

[hollow spear]

theyre like unicorns in lfg

[random mason]

2 wipes to birdge

dunno how

[small sleet]

[swift tinsel]

Pretty sure they were doing 120k in like week 2-3 gear

[random mason]

dmg if i cut off after first bird wipe

[peak ice]

tanking when no one else interupts is

so fuckn annyoing i cannot stress enouigh

[random mason]

DK had 136k dps while active, SP had 160k

[swift tinsel]

As a healer without an interrupt anymore I just constantly cry inside

[peak ice]

yea that sucks ae

shaman still hs one right

[swift tinsel]

Yeah

[small sleet]

Interrupting is for chuds who don’t know where their black powder keybind is

[swift tinsel]

30sec cd

[peak ice]

like

[swift tinsel]

Jesus

[peak ice]

idk what else to say

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[peak ice]

wasnt my key

so like fuck em

[hollow spear]

respect to the player who interrupted once

[random mason]

could be me

[hollow spear]

making it count

[peak ice]

Like i don't really blame the healer

who did the 1

but the fuckn dh, warrior, and ele sham

[hollow spear]

wdym, I always blame the healer

[peak ice]

fuck you guys

[swift tinsel]

Chances are they were flying by the seat of their pants to heal the uninterrupted dmg lol

[peak ice]

uhh

idk if they were doing much

[swift tinsel]

lol buried the lead a bit there

[dusky yacht]

Wtf

[peak ice]

i may as well have soloed that dungeon

fuckn useless holy fuck

like it was just a 12 on my tank but like

[dusky yacht]

Just move on to next lmao

[peak ice]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-wtf-itysl-tim-robinson-darmine-gif-6990077822131978261

[somber sun]

12 is prob their max

[peak ice]

bro 8 is there max

do i

drop the damage

[random mason]

do u wanna see some real pain

[hollow spear]

just invite 3 more tanks

probably smoother

[random mason]

this healer did not know they need mana to heal

[hollow spear]

😮 😮 😮

[dusky yacht]

Definitely not boosted

[random mason]

we asked if he needs mana

no answer

pull started

[peak ice]

hahaha

[random mason]

they were duo with tank

[peak ice]

fuckn hell

who boosts to 12

[random mason]

absolutely insane run

[peak ice]

wtf

[short radish]

holy shit

thats

depression

[dusky yacht]

I could prolly do 12 without my glasses on while drunk with my gf on my lap and while blasting eurobeat on my headphones

[swift tinsel]

Fraudulent Season

[hollow spear]

it's the same as some tank mains bringing in some 230 ilvl healing creatures

[night sparrow]

Hey guys, I got 1099 haste. Is 1100 the very bare ~no input lag robot minimum to be efficient or am I fine with that ?

[hollow spear]

popping vial on cooldown

[peak ice]

Bruh i just wanted like a quick 12, in and out roll for my ring

[hollow spear]

youre cooked

[peak ice]

what i got was 30min of fuckn usless people

[random mason]

that healer is 3519 IO now

btw

[small sleet]

U chillin

[dusky yacht]

Embarrassing

[night sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-reading-meme-spongebob-eyeball-reading-two-pages-gif-8397699332299369323

[peak ice]

reroll character

[small sleet]

Colo is a liar and a fraud

[hollow spear]

🙁

[small sleet]

You just want roughly 1100 haste, a little bit above or below is fine

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker quick Guide

Heres a few of the gameplay differences between Deathstalker and Trickster:

• When you have Darkest Night during Dance you ALWAYS want it to be buffed by Ancient Arts (apex). You do not need to apex other supercharged finishers.
• You can and should only fit one Secret Technique into Blades without Bloodlust.
• The ideal Dance sequence looks something like this:
  1. Sit at 1 stack of Deathstalkers Mark and full cp until you have 5 or more Shadow Technique Stacks.
  2. Eviscerate
  3. Enter Dance with your + Macro
  4. Darkest Night Eviscerate with Ancient Arts and supercharger active for a massive chunk of damage.
  5. Secret Technique after getting the refunded combo points.
     Ive also included a video down below to showcase how it works in practice, ideally every single Dance you do besides the second one in Blades or the one used immediately on pull should look like this as the mark usually lines up pretty well to do this. However if you do happen to get "lucky" and get procs of Quietus Celeris you might need to delay a Dance a bit and use Vanish to try to allign it again.

Deathstalker also wants around 1100 haste instead of 700, check the previous pin for tips on how to reach that point.

[small sleet]

Tldr

[hazy breach]

That is completely fine yes

[alpine wraith]

smh eleem explaining my 10 min video in 1 screen

[hazy breach]

The "no input lag at all" threshold would be like 1025

[night sparrow]

alright thx

[small sleet]

Eleem has spoken we’re all playing 1025 haste ds now

[alpine wraith]

time to limit test

[night sparrow]

Time to target dummy and change my muscle memory for the 2 remaining weeks on Lura

(once I FOUND AFUCKING INGENIOR ABLE TO CRAFT MY BOOTS FFS)

[dusky yacht]

The real question is what would hachadino do

[small sleet]

Imagine practicing ds before raid

When you could practice it during raid

[night sparrow]

🥸 🥸

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-what-would-brian-boitano-do-brian-boitano-olympics-calgary-gif-25006116

[dusky yacht]

I’m not even playing it

[upbeat cradle]

he would play umamusume according to gemini

[random mason]

flicker strike chalupa monk

@alpine wraith what u league starting

[alpine wraith]

yep

big flicker situation

[alpine wraith]

ROFL

[upbeat cradle]

Eleem doing the good work

[dusky yacht]

asks Hacha how to play DS
Hacha starts theorycrafting about a PoE build

[alpine wraith]

im a bit of a crafter myself

tbh it is fun how it did get everything right of what i've been doing

[upbeat cradle]

If you're EU i can invite you in my guild, craft your boots and kick you out

[alpine wraith]

that is why im engi myself

[dusky yacht]

He’s lying, he just wants to kick you

[alpine wraith]

i always knew

[upbeat cradle]

I knew engi would pay off

[leaden prairie]

which is more healing on sub, leech poison or the dance thingy

[hazy breach]

Dance thingy?

[leaden prairie]

soothing

[hazy breach]

Thats vanish

[leaden prairie]

ah nvm

dogshit then

[tribal blade]

it used to be on dance

and then they took it away

because reasons

[leaden prairie]

it was on dance in tww right

or

or maybe im crazy cuase i used it on outlaw and it was on vanish

[tribal blade]

uhhhh i can't remember when they took it away

[leaden prairie]

and we vanished every 20s

[alpine wraith]

it was very good on sl yea

tww decided

[tribal blade]

yeah for outlaw it was cracked

[alpine wraith]

no

even on df it stuck for a while too

[tribal blade]

i miss the original version

from legion

[hazy breach]

In DF yeah, but not in tww

[leaden prairie]

i see

[hazy breach]

I lied, it was removed in 0.5 of nerubar

[leaden prairie]

eleem

im simming some stuffs for last boss seat

i ascended i think

its on trickster

[small sleet]

Wat da hell

[hazy breach]

Why

[leaden prairie]

with box tho

idk

sims best

its getting 2 sec tech inside box damage amp

so its better i guess

[alpine wraith]

isnt last boss of seat way better with DS anyway

[random mason]

are u simming for exactly 20 seconds or something

[leaden prairie]

doesnt seem so

[alpine wraith]

interesting

[hazy breach]

Probably should be DS yeah

[dusky yacht]

Wtf

[weary tree]

you dont proc apex for your ST? You had 5 stacks there

[leaden prairie]

i cant get ds to win

also its playing cloud cover

[alpine wraith]

well the amp is quite big

[hazy breach]

Well did you have it start with DN and stuff

[leaden prairie]

like hold dn for amp?

i have 0 clue on how ds works i have been avoiding it

[small sleet]

Is dn burst even higher than cloud cover trickster?

[upbeat cradle]

I mean if it's for seat wouldn't trickster be better anyways ?

[hazy breach]

Like if youre just doing a natty 20s sim. DS is gonna start by going strike and havign 3 stacks of mark up

[upbeat cradle]

For like 80% of the key ?

[small sleet]

You can teleport out during the rp and switch specs/talents

[alpine wraith]

you can go out while there is random BS happening

[leaden prairie]

no im not doing a 20s sim im doing a 4min sim with 2 damage amp in the middle

[hazy breach]

Whereas in practice you'd start with a apexed DN

[leaden prairie]

and aligning blade with amp

[upbeat cradle]

ooooooh yeah true

[leaden prairie]

not doing weird things

[hazy breach]

Ah

[upbeat cradle]

i remember doing that on rookery

[leaden prairie]

trickster reads burstier to me tho

is it not

[hazy breach]

It is

But its also doing way less damage overall

Might be similar on lura though

Either way probably not a big difference, ig deathstalker gets +15% magic DR

[small sleet]

Me and charrend did a seat earlier where he played ds at lura and I played trickster but I think he fucked up his gear set or something

But I did a decent bit more on that fight

[leaden prairie]

does ds want 1100 haste WITH guidon

[upbeat cradle]

Nah. I think because you had two rogues your poisons and clones bugged out

[alpine wraith]

ye

[hazy breach]

Yes

[leaden prairie]

that boss quite heavely favor box tho

[alpine wraith]

trickster should be fine with 800 and puzzle

no need for more haste

[hazy breach]

But yeah if you are delaying for 2 mins

Box would be the play for sure

[leaden prairie]

so idk if its like way under haste breakpoints

for ds

[lilac stag]

Just practice it during Crown prog. I would never.

[small sleet]

Is assa not better if you’re delaying for 2m? I genuinely don’t know the answer

[alpine wraith]

the thing with DS is after blades ends

you also have lingering

that is decently strong

• all dances are decent too

[leaden prairie]

that is not in damage amp tho

so unluck

[leaden prairie]

good question idk

but sub is tankier

[alpine wraith]

yep that is why trickster with cover should be fine

[leaden prairie]

on that boss

like way tankier

and boss is hard to heal

[small sleet]

Yeah that’s true

[hazy breach]

Good thing all the dangerous damage is environmental so atrophic does fuck all

[leaden prairie]

oh really

unluck

[keen dome]

we need to poison the enviroment

[small sleet]

I think the damage comes from the little symbols you shoot with the beams and not the boss lmao

[lusty narwhal]

at least we are dominating the damage charts no need for atrophic

[leaden prairie]

ye make sense i guess

i like losing my raid buff for rp reasons

[lilac stag]

best raid buff ever

so useful

so demure

[haughty mural]

[lusty narwhal]

next raid: mobs that need to be gripped under the boss and can only be damaged while poisoned

[alpine wraith]

yea that laura the screamcrying guys are enviromental

[lusty narwhal]

raidspot secured for two classes

[alpine wraith]

but hey if you take ticks of the beam atro works

might overkill by some millions of dmg but

3.6% less

[leaden prairie]

if i dont take this talent would the sim still dance storm

im asking because it seems to sim better than premed if i have to take only one or the other

but idk if its cause its actually better or if sim still storm without it which is bad

[hazy breach]

As DS yes it would still

[leaden prairie]

as trickster

[hazy breach]

Yes sometimes during the second dance it would. I havent tied any checks to silent storm

[lusty narwhal]

as trickster you dont storm at all in ST as far as i know or has that changed?

[hazy breach]

You dont need to no

But its neutral to do

So in some edge cases the sim does it, because fixing that adds a whole lot of annoying text to the simc code which i cba

[leaden prairie]

would it be safe to say premed is better

[hazy breach]

Yes

[woeful barn]

Si

[lusty narwhal]

i think there is still a bug with premed and the apex though

[tribal blade]

not an issue w/o cracked cloud cover

[lusty narwhal]

only matters with cloud cover

[leaden prairie]

which i do play in that instance