subtlety

[astral axle]

ds is feaky

[meager coyote]

do I lose any damage from having AA up when I press sectech?

[vagrant sinew]

yes but you dont play around it

delaying st is worse

[meager coyote]

yeah but I've been pressing backstab at max cp before pressing my cds to activate aa...

I've been "minmaxing" a fucking damage loss gg

[craggy quail]

anyone do raid with deathstalker today?

[hazy breach]

Well you cant proc the ancient arts when premed is up

Because of a bug

So

[placid gazelle]

yo team
Is it me or we are currently the squishiest spec in the game ? since we play without versa, I get obliterated by anything in 18's. Even though I use feint, vial, vanish, cloak and all that stuff corretly, I sometimes get in situations where i get fucked hard. I just did a terrasse 18, a single death, but oh man I was holding my breath the entire time
should I put some versa on gems/enchant ?

I currently run this

[coral bear]

its u

[placid gazelle]

well, ty 🙁

[coral bear]

😛

[short radish]

what is a terrasse?

magisters?

[vagrant sinew]

mt between 1st and 2nd boss is vietnam

but sub is the tankiest rogue spec

[placid gazelle]

oh yeah mb, terrace maybe ?

[placid gazelle]

yeah figured that out lol

[warm marlin]

are you playing cheat

[placid gazelle]

yeah, should i swap to enhanced feint ?

[vagrant sinew]

its alot of rng aswell and if you are NE or not, or if others are

[warm marlin]

yeah you cant play cheat past a certain key level

you will just die

[placid gazelle]

I play BE

ok i'll swap that ty

[vagrant sinew]

but yeah 18s prob time to ditch cheat

[hazy breach]

Also your mileage is gonna vary a lot based on how good your healer is

[vagrant sinew]

especially with pug healers

[short radish]

yeah

the glaive

[hazy breach]

But yes elusiveness is the goto for high keys

[short radish]

hurts so fucking much

also if you get a glaive being casted on you

vanish it

[lucid jackal]

Is arcanoweave really the best embellishment

[short radish]

2nd best

next to hunt

though i wonder how the ring is

[placid gazelle]

I didn't die there weirdly enough, but I got a lot of glaives casted at me, so I quickly used vanish and cloak, soooo sometimes I had to deal with it

[short radish]

dot trucks as well

idk everything hurts there

take feint, press it and pray harder

[placid gazelle]

will do, thanks !

[edgy cave]

With new Deathstalker build are we supposed to line up 2nd DN in Shadowblades with supercharged points too? Timing seems a little funky.

Have the gear/haste breakpoint (1,103)

[lucid jackal]

How is hunt that good

[hazy breach]

Should be unless shits been scaling weirdly, i would very surprised if there was another one that was simming higher than within margin

[lucid jackal]

Pissen me off

I gotta go get actual bis bracers

[short radish]

no fucking clue lmao it doesnt make sense

[lucid jackal]

cuz no pants exist in the game

[short radish]

even when it procs haste it's supposedly not shit

[lucid jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Y4dfg3ub5HactXqL1acgv

I thought beloren dagger + double arcanoweave would be good

But no

I just need to drop bracer ig

[short radish]

profileset."Imperator Averzian (Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Vorasius (Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Fallen King Salhadaar (Humanoid/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=humanoid profileset."Fallen King Salhadaar Adds (not_specified/Versatility)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=not_specified profileset."Vaelgor & Ezzorak (Dragonkin/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=dragonkin profileset."Vaelgor & Ezzorak Adds (Elemental/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=elemental profileset."Lightblinded Vanguard (Humanoid/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=humanoid profileset."Crown of the Cosmos P1/P2 Adds only(Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Crown of the Cosmos Alleria/Simulacrum (Humanoid/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=humanoid profileset."Chimaerus (Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Beloren (Elemental/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=elemental profileset."L'ura (not_specified/Versatility)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=not_specified

[hazy breach]

Well because the stat is random the numbers on it is higher

[short radish]

i went down a 30 min (maybe longer) rabbit hole of setting this up

and yeah just turns out the worst option sims better than 2x arcanoweave

[short radish]

i would have thought after breakpoint haste massively loses value

[hazy breach]

It does lose value

[brisk onyx]

actual hunt might not be as good as the simulation, depending on the type of mob, right?

[short radish]

[hazy breach]

But again, the numbers on hunt is just higher

[short radish]

^

i checked

big n umber good i guess

[lilac stag]

It should be close. It was better for me.

[lucid jackal]

Its like -400 for me

[lilac stag]

but my sims want mastery / vers now lol

[lucid jackal]

I just need to get actual bracers

Ig

If I want an upgrade

[swift tinsel]

just so I have a better understanding for DS, are we waiting to send dances for when DN and sectech can be supercharged, or just DN and if sectech happens to be the 2nd finisher that's cool, on account of it being weaker for DS

[lilac stag]

what does the belt cata into?

[swift tinsel]

I feel like I have a wire or two crossed while ironing out the gameplay flow

[shell willow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell willow]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[lilac stag]

hmm

[south moss]

sim saying i dont need 700 haste anymore and to prioritize crit/mastery over it, this accurate or is it buggin?

[short radish]

[south moss]

sry!

[short radish]

no wukkas

[south moss]

another probably dumb question (sry in advance) assuming you have enough haste is there ever a point where you take something else instead of phoenix oil?

[short radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hcNqeezWVRU5uyGL8SE2L1

capybara blessing time?

[short radish]

you can use 1x adamite sharping stone (BC item)

on your mainhand

[south moss]

ty

[short radish]

that one isnt in the faq

[lilac stag]

with Adamantite Stone

[barren hull]

Do I want to go over 1100 haste a little or try to be as close as I can?

[lilac stag]

no reason to go over

[hazy breach]

Anywhere around 1100 is fine

-+25

[young path]

🙂

[lilac stag]

i may start swapping gems depending on how pulls deel

[hazy breach]

As long as you can hit all of your globals in dance without issue youre good

[barren hull]

im at 1123 but I can drop to 1102 with gem switches for crit

[shy ferry]

i've done it guys, i have so little vers that droptimizer really wants me to get more vers

[outer orchid]

i would like to speak to your droptimizer

[abstract vapor]

we take mastery in algethar?

[eager latch]

83 vers is crazy

is that just from tier

[cosmic viper]

DS lowkey feels clean with the 1100 haste

[eager latch]

holy

[cosmic viper]

only used it on first 2 tho lol

[outer orchid]

tier helmet + mainhand vor weapon

[shy ferry]

yeah mines only tier helmet

apparently my top drop is catalyst belt xD

with haste vers

literally less haste than i have now too, and im not quite at 1100, i assume the sim wants more liek 1k right? like how before the sim wanted like 650 or whatever

[cosmic viper]

anyone else when they sim a droptimizer the cosmos neck is -1000 dps as trickster no idea why its doing that

[shy ferry]

too much haste maybe?

[outer orchid]

yeah my droptimizer is suggesting to take vers over crit/mast lol
i stopped doing droptimizers ever since i got 288

interesting to see

[calm fable]

is sub bugged right now? my shadow dance isnt benefiting from haste at all

[outer orchid]

only meaningful upgrade is replacing my hero light ring with a myth one

maybe npx will be nice to me this week

[shy ferry]

droptimizer is kinda broken for sub because it only considers 1 piece at a time, so if you are slightly above the breakpoint it thinks haste is dogshit and if you are slightly below it it thinks haste is god tier

[cosmic viper]

yeah ima bonus roll and get it tonight 🙏 and jut fix everything to have 700 again

[outer orchid]

i mean i've been seeing consistent results as long as i dont put an oil

[shy ferry]

most spec just get to go "these things have mastery, i should get them all"

[small sleet]

Talent out of deepening shadows and back into it

[strange chasm]

ok ds

slams the boss holy hell

[calm fable]

thank you

[shy ferry]

yeah its big chunky dps

[lusty acorn]

How ds now

Is it now better than fate?

[dire ravine]

Are yall just blasting through the interrupt portion of P1 L'ura and sending on CD, or holding until after first set?

[lucid jackal]

You never hold CDs on that fight, other than the end of P3if the boss is low enough

[dire ravine]

Im in my cooldowns during the interrupts though- isnt she DR'd the whole time?

[outer orchid]

guys what do i do when i'm getting my darkest night with 10 seconds before blades

[bleak night]

its not a dr in mythic

[outer orchid]

do i just sit and build SHT or do i just send

[bleak night]

it increases her damage instead

[dire ravine]

wait, wait- wait, wait.

She doesnt take reduced damage in her interrupt phase?

[bleak night]

not in mythic

its termination prisms instead of safeguard prisms

[fossil forge]

Watch me run it down in 4k lads

[dire ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-bruce-banner-smile-smirk-grin-gif-16357730

[dire ravine]

thank you kind person.

[left ledge]

READY YOURSELVES

I AM ABOUT TO

WIDEN THE LURA BOSS DAMAGE GAP

DS WILL FEAST

[ripe flame]

i tried on averzian played like shit did 30k more boss damage than everyone else

I borked like 3 dances

[swift tinsel]

they feel awkward with the different stipulations vs trickster

[ripe flame]

yea my smol brain had a lot of brainfarts

[swift tinsel]

I need to finish rewiring my brain after hundreds of trickster pulls

the muscle memory does not like this lol

[jagged hamlet]

if you arent exactly at 1100 haste you dont have that mamba mentality

now hold my beer while i grey parse

[swift tinsel]

I'm 19 haste off from that which is fine

I'm not gonna swap a gem from my regular trickster set to get closer

[outer orchid]

what do i do in this situation if i instead have 2 stacks of DSM?

or if i have DN

[swift tinsel]

I can regularly hit my 2x DN's in blades and the Sit on One Stack then Evisc Dance+Storm thing

so I feel decent

need to play with it a lot more before I can give any advice lol

[fossil forge]

alleria neck tmrw

[drifting ether]

Should be pretty tank you can time dance as a dr aswell

[swift tinsel]

sub is far from the squishiest

[outer orchid]

yeah i'm hoping that maybe gloomblade enthusiast will see it without me pinging them

that fella has been a DS freak since day 1

[fossil forge]

Now imagine we still had a fuckton of vers

YellowDK

[eager latch]

would you ever just play DS on lura

if you don't need anymore crystal damage

[swift tinsel]

probably

[short radish]

booooo ds

[swift tinsel]

sectech not being the big focus hurts my heart

took forever to be good

[outer orchid]

i agree

i will grumble and groan and yet i will still play it

[eager latch]

we just have insane add damage on lura

like, they're dead insta

so i'm just playing DS and tunneling boss

[tribal blade]

are you based and tricksterpilled

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[eager latch]

ds lowkey dummy boss damage

[swift tinsel]

ds reclear about to be the most scuffed

huehuehue

[last delta]

I have a question for you guys, im noticing with lust i can fit in 2 ST inside blades window, but i can only get 1 with supercharged. Should i send both or save ST for next dance and have it supercharged?

[short radish]

wait is it in the faq

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[short radish]

nvm

[surreal orbit]

crown me

[manic glen]

Is that just for trick? or we doing that for DS as well?

[last delta]

where is the FAQ?

[civic lava]

Outside of BL, and with 700 haste + Guidon, you can fit a 2nd Sectec with both Shadowblade + dance. During BL you can do the same but the second sec tec will be supercharged. Be sure to use the second Dance at the 8s mark of shadow blade

[surreal orbit]

CRASH COURSE BELO'REN SUB TIPS

do i just send CDs as normal

[tribal blade]

most people send cds when the adds spawn

you get them back for egg 1

unless you push too fast

[civic lava]

A nice website to see what everyone is doing cdwise on any given boss is this one :

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/beloren-child-of-alar

[tribal blade]

better check if your RL is making you guys hold dmg and push boss at ~2:50ish

[tribal blade]

this too

[lilac stag]

we did it fam

[swift tinsel]

\o/

[tribal blade]

my guild is barely killing crystals in time on lura

so staying trickster the play for now

[lilac stag]

chim as DS WHAT GOULD GO WRONG?!?!

[tribal blade]

chim flies away and never comes back

[swift tinsel]

had it do that to me even with the mark mover

[green torrent]

my sim is telling me that an avoidance and stam enchant will give me +300 dps

[ember hull]

chat how do i convince guild they need a rogue on lura

[small sleet]

why would you not run a rogue on lura

[ember hull]

thats what im saying

[jade maple]

Yo guys, never played Deathstalker before, I've looked a few guides and it looks like the rotation is the same in ST? Or am I trippin?

[dreamy wedge]

Anyone knows, if the "smoke" (trickster hero talents) works on the same abilities as atrophic poison (that is to say, doesn't work on lots of stuff)? Thinking of m+ boss abilities, trash bleeds/dots/aoe etc

[lilac stag]

run more DKs

[small sleet]

5 dks one rogue 0 mages

everyones happy

[bleak night]

you can bring one mage if its arcane

so they can have fun for once this tier

[manic glen]

Is it fine to start the SD/SS Macro w/ Guidon?

[spice matrix]

is sec tech busted whats going on lol

[small sleet]

busted how

[tribal blade]

i assume atrophic works on everything on lura

also if you're on the left boss in P3 you reduce the dmg for both groups

[fossil holly]

third bonus roll and still no guidon 🙁 100% chance next week!

[spice matrix]

didnt feel like working on crystals for some reason

I might have blacked out and they weren't under boss

[tribal blade]

OUR SERVER IS DYING

WOOOO

[dreamy needle]

i was in the middle of a hunt man

[swift tinsel]

yep whole raid just got booted

[shrewd lantern]

finished a skyreach

282 ret did 65k overall

....

[small sleet]

he lagged

wasnt fair

[shrewd lantern]

yes the bdk was 2nd

[small sleet]

nerf blood dk and sub rogue is what im seein :/

[shrewd lantern]

real

[outer orchid]

area 52 is cooked too rn

[tribal blade]

stormrage for me

damn

[shrewd lantern]

ret doesnt have a single crafted item

[outer orchid]

getting back in rn but who knows how long that'll last

[warm marlin]

ye a52 and stormrage go kaboom

[tribal blade]

yeah we just took our mid raid break

[bleak night]

we just came back from break

and they died immediately

[lilac stag]

One night of and I never want to log off the DK again

[swift tinsel]

yeah I did a few chim pulls and that's enough for the rest of my life

we still have folks unable to log in

on Ghostlands

[bleak night]

ye same on a52

most of us are back but some still cant

its ok its just a healer so no one important

[swift tinsel]

moggin' while loggin'

[oblique fable]

anyone blasting with ds tonight?

[lilac stag]

I topped boss dmg on Chim. Parsed a 21

[steel turret]

My Sim is saying puzzlebox for M+ over Guidon, is it worth to move some gems n stats around to make the haste breakpoint for the switch?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u4oTRb2RRnLZT2qvUpbrBm

[surreal orbit]

just smashed my desk on belo'ren because half the raid cant play becuase of world server issues FIX THE GAME BLIZZARD

[somber sun]

[fossil forge]

R servers up

[shut dawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cZj39WgRPCmak2Lz?fight=16&type=damage-done anyone mind taking a look at my logs for M chim and Averzian? I lagged out for a few second on Averzian but still https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cZj39WgRPCmak2Lz?fight=20&type=damage-done

[lusty acorn]

Reset when in server time ?

[tribal blade]

wooosahhh

[lusty acorn]

?

[gilded thistle]

yeah shit's fucked

[tribal blade]

our whole raid managed to get back in

[gilded thistle]

MUST BE NICE

[tribal blade]

IT IS NICE TY

[gilded thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-a-perfect-person-cat-side-eye-distress-looking-gif-16639804187763803346

[swift tinsel]

we're getting periodic dc's again

was fine clearing trash but soon as we got to saladbar its bad vibes

[gilded thistle]

glad we stopped raiding on tuesdays

just wed thurs now

[swift tinsel]

someone had their entire UI reset

[gilded thistle]

I did, however, just brick some pug's key

thanks blizzard

[swift tinsel]

this game is so stupid lmao

get one person in, another disconnects

ad nauseum

we're gonna call raid in 5mins

[gilded thistle]

Lmao I just let it sit there trying to log in and after 15 mins of doomscrolling I see a loading screen pop up and there's my warrior, in the middle of nowhere

(I tried to log into my rogue)

Blizzard trolling the fuck outta me rn

[lilac stag]

We alrady called it

i made a tricky set from my DS set while waiting LOL

[swift tinsel]

we ended up managing to keep going somehow lol

re-progging saladbar

woo

[lilac stag]

this is what happens to the servers when blizzard tries to make bis

[tribal blade]

this is the most real conspiracy i've ever read

[ripe flame]

so much singular focus in a night bricked the servers

[swift tinsel]

imagine if it actually did damage too

[lilac stag]

Clones blowing up locks. dN blowing up servers.

[unkempt rover]

hello for m+ what's better to play now Deathstalker or Trickster ? As sub

[lilac stag]

Never DS in keys

[unkempt rover]

even with change they did?

[lilac stag]

why would a ST buff be good for keys?

[foggy estuary]

Its a ST buff

[lilac stag]

you weren’t playing in keys when it was 5% ahead in ST. Another 1% ain’t changing that.

[swift tinsel]

its a baby aoe buff too

but still bad in m+

[bleak night]

play it out of spite

[swift tinsel]

I can't hate myself that much

[ripe flame]

play it for the love hate of the game

[viscid ocean]

so we wanna play ds in raid now?

[swift tinsel]

you can if you want

[shrewd lantern]

does anyone know whats up with wcl showing my lower realm chim

i.e the one where the logger wasnt in my realm

yet initially it was showing main realm

[small sleet]

takes a while to update sometimes

like an hour or so

[shrewd lantern]

no i mean when it first went down

it was showing from the person who was in my realm

now 3h later its showing the lower one on my page

[small sleet]

hmm i've had the opposite happen

but never that

[shrewd lantern]

yeah very weird

maybe wait for it

[west tide]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[fossil forge]

holy absolute W vault

plume for the law goes brazy

[solid lotus]

Is DS really that bad rotationally? I’m thinking about making the swap for Lura prog

Idk adds kinda fall over so don’t need the cleave

[lusty gazelle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

personal preference

some people enjoy it, others not so much

[night sparrow]

Hey guys we are apexing supercharged finishers by casting shadowstrike when full cp, then aren't we supposed to do the same if full cp + next shadowstrike makes coup usable ? Like isn't coup kind of a super supercharged evis ?

[fossil forge]

UNC

[tribal blade]

AI helped make this for me

[fossil forge]

ALLERIA NECK OR NO?

[tribal blade]

lura prog

is banger

[tribal blade]

I BELIEVE

[fossil forge]

im asking you u bozo

i already opened my vault

scroll up cuh

[tribal blade]

oh lol

nah didn't get it

[fossil forge]

same ..

W outlaw trinket though?

[tribal blade]

no more reclearing either

full extending

i actually got bracers

taht would be good for DS

and i don't have myth bracers yet

[fossil forge]

ive been rocking these since the start 💯

[tribal blade]

so i either take that or socket

[tribal blade]

huge

the bracers i have in vault are haste/mast

good for DS

[fossil forge]

i actually can drop a bit haste for trickster

currently in law gear

need to regem before raid..

everything costs even breathing

[tribal blade]

lol true

[somber sun]

" if you get hit by those I will instantly kick you from the group " works very well

[fossil forge]

did u see my crazy lura play

[tribal blade]

lol yes

i forget what you did

[fossil forge]

i was literally gaslighting my rl that i never even had a seed on me

i didnt even know this happened ? HAHA

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[fossil forge]

very anlaki timing though

are you playing keys or you gave up

[tribal blade]

i'm just doing IO keys with my warr friend

if he's not on to do em

i'm not doing em

[fossil forge]

i didnt notice u asking what happened

so here is the clip again of me being racist

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[fossil forge]

very real 💯

[tribal blade]

yeah i started getting fomo again recently

had to remind myself

YOU'RE NOT PUSHING

IT'S OK TO BE BEHIND

[fossil forge]

i mean

the way its going

its gonna end up like 4k something

+last week of everyone boosting to title

maybe even 4,1 who knows

[serene notch]

How was DS for people raiding tonight? I won’t be able to play til Thurs

[short radish]

keep resisting

[west tide]

ok ds owns on lura

so so much dam

got boss to 8% in p4 so its dead next raid i misplayed hella with the dam too hehe

sometimes i fuck up my shadowdance charges like not having 2 in sblades cause i charged a random dn apex evis with shadowdance

but idk feels ok

[peak ice]

If you were starting mythic

Would you start dream or first 2 void spire

[night sparrow]

VS imo

VS 3 fist boss are pretty straight forward. Chim strat is more tricky

pug hazard

[peak ice]

Not pug thankfully

Guilds just being casual

[night sparrow]

Alright, I'd recommand VS anyway. The first 3 are kinda free now with current gear

[peak ice]

Aight

[tribal blade]

i am resist

[peak ice]

Bruh I need one more key and people keep fuckn bricking

[short radish]

just one more key

[peak ice]

One more

I swear

[bleak night]

[short radish]

just one more key

[peak ice]

I need to keep ahead of the dk

[tribal blade]

it's always 1 more key

until you're cowering in the corner of your room babbling to yourself incoherently

[edgy cave]

lol I saw you practicing on the dummy earlier today too - I just decided to stay as Trickster for tonight but I'll probably practice DS more before my next raid

[west tide]

lmfao yessirrr always gotta put da shwork in

[edgy cave]

some more logs to look at the next few days as well, only a couple new kills from tonight

[hollow spear]

Do you actually time you dances for add spawns still? I tried not giving a frick yesterday and it felt good 😄

[west tide]

noo basically never

usually though it lines up

[fossil forge]

ITS ALWAYS ONE KEY UNTIL U SEE THE LIGHT AND BIRDS ARE CHIRPING OUTSIDE

[hollow spear]

there's birds in the mines?

are canaries chirping?

[fossil forge]

fym in the mines

[hollow spear]

he's an aussie, maybe they're chirping

[somber sun]

[hollow spear]

strange creatures

[amber berry]

Any dps guide for sub ds?

[drifting ether]

Anyone know if this guy is on the discord, or has yt or twitch

[tribal blade]

https://www.twitch.tv/salatikue

he does answer english questions sometimes too

when he's streaming

[drifting ether]

You legend

Need to learn from the best 🤣

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

[keen dome]

🫡

[west tide]

in the sub faq its moslty just doing the apex optimization everytime entering your dances ideally at 1 stack of mark

[main blade]

Is stealth track able in cdm?

[tribal blade]

i'm testing DS on the dummies and it's a lot more chill when you stop trying to force 1 mark and pooling 5 sht before every dance

and panicking when it doesn't happen

i looked at logs and people aren't doing it every time too

you just kinda go with what you have

[vale pine]

The main diffrence is:

• You start dance with low cp, and storm first gcd -> new dance + storm macro.
• You need to get your haste value higher to get full benefits from the hero talent, the diffrence in output is minimal without stat changes.
• The AA optimization changes, you optimize around DN too now, so strike for apex if needed before evis.
• On encounters, you will need to pay attention to deathstalkers mark, and use marked for death if it either bugs out or you need to target swap.

[sturdy mortar]

hey, what is the setting that allows you to see your apex talent proc? I might have lowered it by mistake lol

[vale pine]

ancient arts is the buff to track in the cdn

[modest jay]

Hey what flask should I run in mythic +? I was running crit for a while but recently swapped too mastery to get my stats more in line.

[vale pine]

there is a setting for the proc visuals too if you mean that

[sturdy mortar]

yes, visual on that is better for me, personally.

[copper frigate]

hello rogue, im new on discord, deathstalkers and tricster are similar , or one is highter ?

[keen dome]

Deathstalker is stronger in single target but more annoying to play. Trickster is fine for all content.

You also need to aim for considerably different haste amounts (Trickster = 700 with guidon, 800 w/o. 1100 for DS)

[copper frigate]

ho ok 1100 😮 !

[tribal blade]

learn trickster first

you will be using trickster on way more stuff than DS

also trickster still won't be "bad" on DS bosses

[vale pine]

Should be this option in the general tab of the acessability options

set it to max

[keen dome]

I'm not sure there's any content that requires DS at this point. I imagine you can just play trickster on everything, esp with the %increase in raid groups atm. @tribal blade Would DS be better in high keys? I kinda assume not

[vale pine]

Trickster will also be the probably prefered spec in the 12.0.7 raid

a lot of adds/aoe

[keen dome]

Yeah

I wonder how AoE / Cleave heavy 12.1's raid is gonna be

I assume: very

[copper frigate]

ty

[nova cairn]

I’m debating if it’s even worth to swap to DS for lura

[wheat edge]

6 single target bosses

or im mad

[keen dome]

hell yeah

It's just a conga line of progressively bigger trolls

[nova cairn]

6 volcorosses

[dreamy root]

until i see some DS logs actually cranking its sim bait

[vale pine]

if you have the haste, go for it

if you don't, nah

[short radish]

LOOK AT HOW MUCH (boss) DAMAGE I'M DOING

absolute fucking copers

[nova cairn]

Rank 1 sub on the 2nd boss is DS

[nova cairn]

Ye true

My Dh as just swapped to add damage build now

So adds just gonna blow up

[vale pine]

DS performs quite well, we probably will see logs appear of it on the single target heavy fights

[tribal blade]

yeah trickster is more than capable even on the bosses that DS is better on

[keen dome]

What was their total dam, outta interest?

[humble rover]

does the sim understand i need 1100 haste as deathstalker? It does not want me to use haste flask, and im at like 900 haste

[tribal blade]

like 3-4k more than 2nd place iirc

[keen dome]

Sounds about right

Wait i can just check orrgs

[nova cairn]

Let me get a log for the whole night

1 was playing add dmg the other not

[keen dome]

Nod

[nova cairn]

And the one not was basically getting capped overall

[dreamy root]

is that because he was PI'd or does that not count?

[keen dome]

damn, 147k overall on vora is big

[nova cairn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dBfYtLvWNTHG9aKc?boss=3183&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done&target=244

[tribal blade]

PI is not great on sub

[nova cairn]

Argument to say my add dmg was pretty dire

[tribal blade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1k4Zgrfadjvhp9LW?boss=3183&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done&target=87 this was our cystal dmg tonight

i don't think i can swap off trickster right now

[upbeat cradle]

how can I sim the TBC sharpening stone with ra idbots ?

[tribal blade]

there have been quite a few times me being trickster is the diff on killing the crystals

[tribal blade]

if it's for haste reasons you can just put on the whetstone or something

[nova cairn]

[upbeat cradle]

nah i just wanna see how much damage it gives compared to the oils

[native zodiac]

Gotta delay blades if you wanna pad on the crystals tbh

[nova cairn]

Yeah not happening

[native zodiac]

I did 13m crystal dmg last week

[nova cairn]

By how long?

[tribal blade]

yeah my guild is not exactly full of blasters haha

[nova cairn]

I saw Dmg used blades at around 2 secs in

[tribal blade]

so guild not full of blasters=trickster kinda better on lura

[nova cairn]

Ye makes sense tbf

Our WW blows adds up

[native zodiac]

You p much send the first sectech on the crystal spawn

[tribal blade]

yeah our ele does too esp in opener, but some of the later sets become very sus

[nova cairn]

Does that not omega fuck the rest of the pull?

[tribal blade]

our WW is usually a blaster though so maybe once he's more comfortable he'll start doing mega dam

and then i can think about swapping DS possibly

[nova cairn]

Is WW cds 1:30?

Or 2 mins

[tribal blade]

1:30 iirc

but their cd has 2 charges

so they can move it around

[nova cairn]

@native zodiac Do you have a WW or Naa

[tribal blade]

hope i have that right

[nova cairn]

Cus ngl

Everytime I have cds

They fucking evaporate

[tribal blade]

yeah people were saying taht

[nova cairn]

And it ain’t me

[tribal blade]

but i'm able to have full dance coverage on crystals

[nova cairn]

Yeah same

[tribal blade]

which means they're not getting blowed up fast haha

[nova cairn]

Also @native zodiac What was your log last week on it

Shame you private log

[tribal blade]

sorry if that was confusing, i meant the crystals are alive over my entire dance duration

[nova cairn]

Ohhh

Yeah I don’t have that

[tribal blade]

yeah the later ones

[nova cairn]

Maybe 5 secs of it

[tribal blade]

not dying fast

it might be slightly longer than that for me too, it's hard to know exactly

[nova cairn]

I was outlaw for every boss

Until last 2

I get like this every season tho

Play first bosses on outlaw then get bored

I think next tier I’ll just play w/e is meta

@tribal blade are enjoying lura

I think it’s pretty fun

[fiery summit]

is there something missing from the wowhead opener? im following it but pretty much always entering dance with 2 mark stacks, instead of the optimal 1

[tribal blade]

yeah! i am, but it's skewed for us because not doing crystal/memory game means we're kinda just vibing haha

i feel for the people doing all the mechanics

[solid lotus]

My guild (you know the one) is full of padding dogs

[short radish]

[solid lotus]

2 ret 2 ele and a dev

Also 2 rogue but he sucks

Not me, the other guy

[short radish]

my cooldowns just align

• our ret player

[solid lotus]

👀

[tribal blade]

not really any way to force it unless you delay cds

[solid lotus]

Ever had your raid leader die to glaive get rez’d in a glance and scream so loud it almost hurt

[fiery summit]

so we're only kinda forcing it in subsequent dances, not the opener?

[solid lotus]

(War cry)

Irl battle shout

[tribal blade]

i'm still new to this DS rotation so not 100% sure, but yes

[short radish]

i think our RL

got farmed by glaives one night

or one half of a night

[fiery summit]

no worries ty

[solid lotus]

Scryn rerolled to resto Druid and if he pops tranq they snipe him, every time

Many memes

[static canyon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mgpHTwqsVvd9JNwBxjCrvx here are my sims today in Deathstalker, i have only 750 haste after flask and oils, i can get more haste from other pieces of gear in my bags (ring haste crit from 289 for exemple). Is it because of guidon? i'm far from de the 1100 haste cap but my top gear doesn't care

[nova cairn]

I’m doing the kick but I mean that’s it - I also griefed my guild for 14 pulls not realising I didn’t replace my kick with @boss2 kick

[short radish]

https://www.twitch.tv/keksecute/clip/SourRudeTurnipBIRB-wjmU5DZMUW2SPCQg

[tribal blade]

HAHA oh nooo

i literally replaced both my regular kick and focus kick with the macro

on my lura loadout

[short radish]

yeah i have a talent tree saved specifically for lura

where it's just that macro replaced

[tribal blade]

i started doing that with each end boss

it's nice

[nova cairn]

I should do that…

I went into keys

With no
Kick

[tribal blade]

also naohwqol will save presets for keys

whoops

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/naowhqol

it'll alert you when you're in the wrong talent set up for a key

[short radish]

oh that sounds useful

i already have half these addons though

[tribal blade]

this addon is overall really useful

[short radish]

can i pick and choose which shit i dont want from him

[tribal blade]

LOL true

[solid lotus]

https://www.twitch.tv/genjiee/clip/FunEmpathicHamsterDogFace-tzO5cnjJ3kNXjZrw

[tribal blade]

i think this one is super light weight though

[short radish]

ohly shit hahahahaha

[solid lotus]

https://www.twitch.tv/genjiee/clip/PrettiestIncredulousCrabsCharlieBitMe-aEk5Co1JRIRtLaPF

oh and here’s me bricking the memory game

🤓

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

lol was the the fabled bres into instant death

[solid lotus]

The one and only

[tribal blade]

"THERE'S 3 FUCKING Ts"

[solid lotus]

There’s about 4 more clips from prog so far but they need context

[tribal blade]

"WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP"

added quotation marks so it doesn't seem like i'm picking a fight with someone

[solid lotus]

It’s okay it was me you can fight me

[tribal blade]

COOL

so is that normal in aussie raids

i'm assuming you're aussie

HAHAHAHAHA

I SAW THAT

moroes gonna have words with you

[solid lotus]

Oh no

[rotund hedge]

Is it weird that tier legs are simming highest for me?

[tribal blade]

yeah muricans not so hot on that word haha

[short radish]

see you in the NT

[tall girder]

wooo fim and prophet

[short radish]

woooooo jontic

[tribal blade]

WOOOO HELLO

[tall girder]

we saw intermisson 1 1 time

[tribal blade]

oh hell yeah

[solid lotus]

Also the core of this guild has been around each other since the guild was called ajantis and we weren’t all washed up and old so it’s chill

[tribal blade]

nice

[solid lotus]

Also one of them once banged his desk so hard it unseated his RAM

[tall girder]

ajantis

[tribal blade]

LOL

[tall girder]

holy thats a guild

[tribal blade]

someone posted this earlier in here

because some of the NA servers went down

during his belo prog

[peak ice]

lol

Maybe go outside a bit

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[peak ice]

Touch some grass

[solid lotus]

That is

Wild

[tribal blade]

i responded with the woosah gif from bad boys 2

[peak ice]

That’s like

Unhealthy

[tribal blade]

i come from a family with some explosive anger issues (asians) so i get it

[alpine wraith]

im just glad my family does not go to jail more often

with how fiery some of them are

[tribal blade]

hahaaaa

that's amazing

[alpine wraith]

colombian dna triggers on drunkness

[solid lotus]

I don’t have anger issues I just like white monster

[tribal blade]

LOL so true

[alpine wraith]

fury warriors irl

[tribal blade]

same

i'm an implosion person

not explosion

[solid lotus]

I’ve seen more comments this season about rogues being unpopular etc than ever before

Rework for next season, right?

👀

[tribal blade]

yeah it's actually become a thing where not only rogues are aware of

the broader wow community knows now mainly because of this last RWF

so i'm holding out some cope

[tepid quartz]

I get bullied by my raid becouse i play rogue 🙂

[solid lotus]

We all do brother, we all do

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogue-needs-to-bring-a-real-raid-buff/2304579 btw hit this with a like and comment if you guys can

the crusade continues

[upbeat cradle]

Lol I have the same keyboard

my desk isn't like that tho

[tribal blade]

also i'm gonna murder mafic

[tribal blade]

haha nice

[short radish]

can you just

block people from wow forums

so you cant see their posts

[tribal blade]

i don't think so lemme see

i'm not gonna ignore him

because i like hate watching sometimes

[vale pine]

its not wrong

if you are always tuned strong, you don't need a raid buff

DK is a good example of it, even tho they technically have a lot of things they bring else

[solid lotus]

What if you’re tuned not that good, don’t have a defined niche and have a mid to non functional raid buff

[vale pine]

thats perspective

[solid lotus]

But you’ve got good banter so you’re in anyway

[scarlet heath]

raid buff is not always a win

[tribal blade]

i see the point

[scarlet heath]

look at Evoker "buff"

[vale pine]

it depends on the person you talk to, how this discussion ends up

e.g. at the start of the beta, subtlety was unplayable

one side did say

[tribal blade]

but i still think it would be far better if rogue had a raid buff because blizz clearly doesn't tune around that

[tribal blade]

well that's not really a dmg buff anyways

[solid lotus]

Just change the DR to some kind of damage amp and it’s fine

[vale pine]

"You are not allwed to complain, because its clearly not the final version"

the other side

[solid lotus]

“This target has 3% chance to be crit”

[vale pine]

"Please complain, to make the problem visible, we can't trust in its visibility without"

which one is better, is discussable

if you want to have a mainly positive discussion, the earlier

[solid lotus]

I don’t disagree but I think that’s too meta, go one step deeper and just ask do you think rogue is in a good spot / do you think a few small changes could improve rogue gameplay

[vale pine]

And in the end a middle path is the best

It is, in my opinion, not good to shut down discussions and complains simply to have a positive feedback

[short radish]

yes but also mafic should be shut down and shut off

[vale pine]

but its also not good to always complain

haha ye

It is in the end a trust problem

[solid lotus]

Who

[short radish]

you dont want to know

[vale pine]

and people have diffrent amounts of trust in blizz

e.g. you see this often in discussion

where my trust level is not as high as e.g. guys

[solid lotus]

Which guy?

[vale pine]

foreverguy

[dusky yacht]

He called me a schizo for making a joke about blizz once like jeez lmao

[vale pine]

XD

neverless, to continue on the topic

We just need what they did with hunter

[dusky yacht]

Now this guy is schizo

[tribal blade]

that's honestly not the bad part, the bad part is the takes he has

[dusky yacht]

Bro got ganked in 2005 and been plotting on rogues ever since

[tribal blade]

it's very frustrating reading everything he posts

[keen dome]

Damage knob tuning is never a long-term solution as it will shift every season. Raid buff or fundamental changes are far better longer term solutions 'cos they exist outside the scale of damage tuning. It's why a raid buff is the logical solution to the current problems

[peak ice]

What happens when it turns out that prophet was Mafic all along

[keen dome]

Which is why we should give the raid +10% speed

[vale pine]

think its just like on wowhead posts

you always have the guy complaining about w/e

[solid lotus]

I was trying to make a joke but you got in before the punchline

[tribal blade]

yeah wowhead is pretty bad too sometimes

[keen dome]

Someday he will do content. Any content.

[tribal blade]

i actually never read wowhead comments, but sometimes i do and i regret it every time

[vale pine]

funniest thing was the one person complaining no arcane mage buffs

[solid lotus]

The mid season out of no where kill MM treatment?

[vale pine]

on a tank tuning post

[solid lotus]

Huge fan

[tribal blade]

ANYTHING

LITERALLY ANYTHING

[vale pine]

Their raid buff went from being fairly low in impact, to one of the stronger ones

[tribal blade]

it's just not possible to have a good outlook on the state of rogue if you do 0 content in game

[solid lotus]

I’m going to start adding /s

[vale pine]

some are funny

[solid lotus]

But yeah absolutely, just make it some form of +dmg and it’s fine

[keen dome]

Ye. It's not even like you need to be doing your level of content, or mine. Just playing the game is enough

[tribal blade]

remember the AI post?

holy

[dusky yacht]

I’ll never forget that reddit post saying rogues are op and then he went on to mention black powder like aoe is this amazing new ability for us to have (don’t get me wrong, I like bp for big aoe obviously, but like cmon it’s hardly unique lmao)

[tribal blade]

yes precisely

[vale pine]

haha ye, was a funny one

[keen dome]

we all know the real content is idling in towns though

[vale pine]

to be fair, ragebait is efficient

[dusky yacht]

True I lowkey enjoy when the game calms down

[vale pine]

for what its worth

[keen dome]

I need more HP

444 is annoying me for some reason

[vale pine]

the initial version of black powder, called shadow vault

did shortly lock you up in the animation

[dusky yacht]

Oof

[vale pine]

and had a visual knock up effect

[solid lotus]

I remember that, like DFA

[vale pine]

which did negate fall damage

[solid lotus]

Remember when DFA was a thing

[vale pine]

a popular streamer back then, who tested it

[dusky yacht]

Yeah no I much prefer our bp as it is, it’s amazing but it just feels terrible in low numbers

[vale pine]

got excited about

how overpowered the ability was

because you could

IF you had enough combo points

jump down and use shadow vault to not die

completely broken, right

[scarlet heath]

stonks

[vale pine]

especially if almost all classes can negate fall damage without extra conditions

[scarlet heath]

just play panda rogue

[vale pine]

the point i am trying to make is

perspective matters a LOT

[lusty solar]

I played a theater of pain in beta with shadow vault and died 3 times cause of it

[scarlet heath]

but ngl it was kinda nice playing outlaw for that one expansion cuz of hook to negate fall dmg

you can still do it with shadowstep but need convinient target

[vale pine]

for me, the main issue with it was:

• The positional lock
• The low damage

[wheat edge]

I do really hate raid buffs tho, like it feels awful playing any melee atm without a shaman in the group

[vale pine]

you spamming an ability every 2nd gcd that locks you in place shortly

is not interessting

[scarlet heath]

shaman buff should just give mastery

the windfury was a mistake

too polarizing for a raid buff

[vale pine]

but for somoene who looks at it from a diffrent scope, its exciting

"look i can negate fall damage"

and the concerns of damage and gcd lock are dismissable

[lusty solar]

3% haste or 3% crit and we in every fight

[vale pine]

Ye

I think we now have a good point to ask for a better raid buff

because i could see

the development team seeing a rogue in play in the wfr

and assuming its perfectly fine as is

[peak ice]

did he complain

didnt*

[lusty solar]

Even exile said that it was way better if they brought another udk

[dusky yacht]

Didn’t exile say himself that he shouldn’t have been there

[lusty solar]

No reason for a rogue there

[vale pine]

the last world first race

[lusty solar]

Ye

[vale pine]

made it very obviouse that rogue was not bringing enough to justify a raid spot

and if something is this obviouse

[native zodiac]

Nah works out p well

[vale pine]

everyone can pick it up

so you saw it come up in talks during/after a lot more

we still need to see if 12.1 rly does something

[native zodiac]

If you are still in prog you can try it out, the only thing that you will have to adjust is that your lust burst is slightly delayed but it fits into lust still

[fallow nimbus]

2% crit & haste raid buff aura to call it day and fuck off with atrophic

[native zodiac]

• its kinda during the move so you need to get uptime while running

[lusty solar]

I think 3% crit would fit the class very well

[fallow nimbus]

We had that in the past too

[vale pine]

I don't rly know what the best raid buff would be

i also wonder how raid buffs get handled if flex raiding mythic becomes a thing

[peak ice]

1 shot bosses

[fallow nimbus]

Crit haste are the last remaining

Druid is vers and sham mastery

[vale pine]

we could bring crit damage buffs

[wheat edge]

I wonder what would happen if they just remove all raid buffs and maybe add utility spells onto classes that make them unique enough, I think stuff like 3% vers, 5% int or whatever is soooo boring

[vale pine]

i would assume class stacking

without raid buffs

[wheat edge]

yeah but that also happens now

[vale pine]

why bring something thats not op

[lusty solar]

5 rogue kil Jaeden 🫪

[vale pine]

well you still have all raid buffs covered

[wheat edge]

like max said that they would've played 7 hunters on paladins if they had a few more prepped

[vale pine]

so "it still happens now"

basically means the current framework allows for a certain flexibility, which is used

[brisk onyx]

3% crit -- something we should have always had (along with physical amp

[lusty solar]

Class stack still happens but, the only raid buff that is ignored is rogue, and that says a lot imo

[wheat edge]

but also currenlty if your guild only has 1 warrior and that guy suddenly is away

you lose so much

[short radish]

and paladin to a certain extent

[vale pine]

i mean warrior would not be playing

[wheat edge]

so I feel like everyone having a raid buff is actually less flexible

[short radish]

but there's a tank and heal spec for it

[vale pine]

if the raid buff was not there

and neither of their specs was meta

same with many classes

but e.g. DH you will always have 1

[scarlet heath]

what if we just make it that your raid gets a dmg%/heal% for each unique class used

[wheat edge]

yeah but classes are also balanced around raid buffs currently

[scarlet heath]

promotes you to have each once

[vale pine]

even if it isn't the best

[lusty solar]

Rogue needs to be good to be in, not even okay is enough

[wheat edge]

like warrior cant be turbo op on its own, cause it also brings 5% AP

[native zodiac]

Meanwhile hunters raidbuff is so good now you will be bringing 2 as soon as theres an meaningful add on any fight

[wheat edge]

remove the raid buff -> you have more room to actually tune the class it self

[vale pine]

you sure?

[short radish]

[vale pine]

like rogue is middle of the pack, with the least impactful raid buff

[short radish]

yeah thats why DKs have been doing so much damage because they dont have a raid buff

[vale pine]

while dh is upper 3rd with the most impactful one

[peak ice]

3% magic is fucked

[wheat edge]

I guess yeah, I guess the classes are balanced around having every raid buff aswell? idk tho maybe im just saying shit

[peak ice]

are they?

[vale pine]

like

before nerfs

DH was #1 or #2 on wcl

with the strongest raid buff

[peak ice]

hows arcane mage doing

[vale pine]

which make the theory of "tuning around raid buffs" not work out

[crude vapor]

that's not true. All classes that are top DPS atm are providing amazing raid buffs. I.E Mage, DH, Monk, Arms, or Demo Lock

[vale pine]

also for m+

[peak ice]

druid makes my m+ easy

[short radish]

i'm 90% sure all the top comps for m+ have had a druid

[vale pine]

m+ might be the best measurement for it

[short radish]

for the last 10 seasons or something

[vale pine]

because in m+, you have only limited access to raid buffs

[peak ice]

mark is really strong

[short radish]

i fucking hate mark

[vale pine]

means, if m+ is balanced

[peak ice]

and they are like, strong as a class too

[short radish]

that guys a dick

[vale pine]

you see a good spread of classes

if raid buffs are even designed/tuned around raiding

you would see non raid buff classes dominate m+

if we look at the top logs

Unholy is the only spec that does not bring a raid buff that sees a lot of play

[wheat edge]

I guess u could make the argument here tho that its a perfect example of not needing to have a raid buff to be brought

[vale pine]

DK is maybe a bad example

as they are unkillable

bring grip

[short radish]

i think the term "raid buff" is a bad definition of usefullness

because you can also point to warlocks who don't have a raid buff

[vale pine]

and are tuned very high for a long time now

[wheat edge]

yeah they have intersting utility

[short radish]

yet i haven't heard a single warlock go "we dont have a raid buff"

[peak ice]

they got like 3

[short radish]

and dk's have 2 (grips)

[wheat edge]

like I think grip/gate/even healthstones are 100 times more interesting than I clicked my button now everyone has 3% vers

[vale pine]

warlocks have gate and stones ^^

[peak ice]

Yea, they might be, but what u gonna give a rogue thats similar

[vale pine]

its difficult

[wheat edge]

or like if the 3% magic damage that chaos brand brings, if that had to be applied/maintained in any interesting way I would find that cool

[old quiver]

does Atrophic work on both sides in P3 Lu're?

[wheat edge]

what im really saying is, bring back expose armor

[vale pine]

btw.

rogue had smoke bomb

[warm marlin]

You need to be left side

[vale pine]

which is now darkness ^^

[tribal blade]

left boss is the real boss

[warm marlin]

All the damage originates from the left Lura

[wheat edge]

20% DR 8 second smokebomb

[short radish]

no

[short radish]

rogue also had 5% crit buff

[peak ice]

we sure do bring this up a lot

[short radish]

yeah

it's a dead horse

but we will continue to beat it up

[sage ivy]

I want dmg taken increase in execute poison so bad man

[upbeat cradle]

I mean, classes either have utility or raid buffs. Our utility is shroud which is borderline useless nowadays and our raid buff is 3% damage reduction

💀

[short radish]

becuase what else is there to do when we bring 0 effective raid buff, 0 utility

pure dps class with 0 offensive raid buff, a singular aoe interrupt that doesnt work on some mobs

our only unique utility that blizzard actively works to make sure it's not useful in any meaningful content

[vale pine]

haha ye

[upbeat cradle]

And our immune is on a 2min cd unlike DK's 45cd that is functionally the same

[vale pine]

we also had raid wide no parry

[upbeat cradle]

Cept for some stuff you can't face tank with

[vale pine]

even tho not intentional

[short radish]

same or better*

an immune that works most of the time

except on random shit

like skyreach last boss

[sage ivy]

Rogue almost had restless crew xdd

[vale pine]

shroud was op in m+

which is why its now mostly useless

[peak ice]

was

[short radish]

and grips are op in m+

[warm marlin]

does cloak not work on that?

[upbeat cradle]

Emphasis on was

I think it was for two expacs

[short radish]

only the first second of cloak

[warm marlin]

[vale pine]

Think it always comes down to the extend you can exploit it

e.g. if you remember

priest mc was as good as shroud before they put vision on every mob

[short radish]

better than shroud tbh

[vale pine]

and got changed after, because it was too easy to exploit

[short radish]

shroud on 0 cooldown

[vale pine]

ye

so it depends, how exploitable something is

[short radish]

also unrelated but reeeeeee why do i have so much crit (don't answer that i know why)

just need the stupid neck from lura kill tonight

[wheat edge]

only 1 embelishment?

[short radish]

oh yeah forgot i swapped that out

i was gonna use the capybara ring

but i dont have enough haste on other pieces

[dusky yacht]

Based t1 moment

I gotta farm that one at one point but just finished t2

[wheat edge]

yeah lowkey the mog got me wanting to go do MC

[short radish]

been wearing this xmog ever since xmog came out and ahven't changed once except for a brief moment in SL where i used the s1 pvp set

[dusky yacht]

Early tiers looked so amazing for Rogue

And I want original thunderfury too but oof

Gonna take a while

[short radish]

tbh i finished farming t2 after like 30 attempts on rag

and then put it on

and was like this is way too edgy for me

[cinder nimbus]

you can tmog it on dagger also or?

[dusky yacht]

Yeah idk

I farmed it

But now I’m still using vengeful

[wheat edge]

I used thunderfury for a like a day after farming it

double tf on dh just jumping around

[dusky yacht]

Since I went panda I’m using hood of cursed dreams instead of eyepatch tho, love how it looks

[dusky yacht]

‘Hehe sparkles’ bounce bounce

[sterile geyser]

Hey guys, quick Sub Rogue question: I’m playing with Puzzle Box, and Shadow Blades has a 90 sec cooldown while Puzzle Box is 2 min. How should I line them up? Should I use Puzzle Box with every 3rd Shadow Blades and use the 2nd Shadow Blades without it, or should I delay Shadow Blades by 30 seconds each time to sync it with Puzzle Box?

[dusky yacht]

Pbox = 3 min

Throw into ocean when you’re done

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[sterile geyser]

Haha yeah cant wait but i started raiding recently so no raid trinkets yet 🙁

[brisk onyx]

Bless you

[cinder nimbus]

hope you get your trinkets in 1st try

[dusky yacht]

We progging cosmos tonight

After my 14 hour work day

What are the odds of me wiping the raid

[upbeat cradle]

Non zero

[cinder nimbus]

1%

[dusky yacht]

You guys

[upbeat cradle]

But not 100% either