subtlety

[dense geode]

if you think rogue aint that bad compared to other classes that is indeed a take

[surreal orbit]

you just do quests like i dont get it lol

[dense geode]

Ive level most except for druid and I just felt slow

[hazy breach]

Ye but imagine before you get relentless strikes

[sullen hare]

Afaik the biggest difference is starting at 0 combo points and hitting fok with dance

[hazy breach]

Or even before shadowcraft

No energy whatsoever

[warm marlin]

oh ye before relentless it is hell

i levelled a rogue during lemix

[vale pine]

i did 2 times in lemix

[dense geode]

every class except rogue can spam abilities

[vale pine]

and it was terrible both times

[warm marlin]

pool energy before dance -> strike strike .... evis .... dance ends

[surreal orbit]

before you get dance its pretty rough but after that i was pretty much one shotting every mob with not much downtime

[vale pine]

you are probably happy to learn that they even increased storm costs in a recent design update to make you more energy starved in aoe

which was priviousely not energy constrained

[dense geode]

[vale pine]

(recent as in last 2 xpacs)

[dense geode]

What class cannot do that though, is kind of what Im arguing

[vale pine]

I think its difficult

[dense geode]

Rogue just does it the least effcient and slowest imo

cause energy.

[warm marlin]

evoker was pretty bad for 80-90

[vale pine]

i mean

i think its fine in st

for aoe

i did not entirely understand why storm needed a cost increase, i also argued against it

[graceful rock]

tf is this doing

[vale pine]

But thats just opinions, it is completley normal for the design team to have diffrent goals than some players

[dense geode]

[vale pine]

similarly, nimble flurry change seemed harmful to me, while others did say its a good change

now with tuning, everyone seems to agree on that

(that it wasn't a good change)

I think the design makes some sense

you have your cooldowns, and during them your energy can't rly run out

while outside, you are painfully slow

[fallow ingot]

?

[hazy breach]

What

[graceful rock]

whats the dance

[hazy breach]

DN

[graceful rock]

is it sending dance bc of lingering?

oh

you dance if DN is ready too?

[hazy breach]

If you can apex it yes

[warm marlin]

tettles posted a video not only showing the udk bug but explaining how to do it

[graceful rock]

even if sec tech isnt ready?

[vale pine]

whats the bug?

[hazy breach]

Man of the people, thats how you get it fixed asap

[warm marlin]

some prekey bug abuse that gives you permanent 30% haste and 80% spender damage

[ripe flame]

I think as long as you can fit the sectec inside the dance but im not a knower

[warm marlin]

it is a very very large damage increase

[stuck lance]

u wannt to supercharge dance i believe

[ripe flame]

small prekey optimizations

[warm marlin]

im sure they will punish the people

[small sleet]

A lot of people are abusing it in high keys rn

[warm marlin]

just like they did for the follower dungeon stuff

[small sleet]

[warm marlin]

[graceful rock]

remember when spatter was doing 8% too much

and defcon 1 was called

[warm marlin]

well its similar to the outlaw thing from tww

impossible to do accidentally and an insane damage gain

[vale pine]

oh, sound spicy

[fallow ingot]

Remeber when saturday tickets was sold out in 9 minutes

[swift tinsel]

Pull a Skyreach and if you do the prekey bug you instantly die

[earnest cedar]

So do we switch back to trick on 2-3 encounter bosses?

[warm marlin]

seems like it was hotfixed on live as the tettles video dropped

[swift tinsel]

lol owned

[warm marlin]

bans

[swift tinsel]

Ladder suddenly empty

[ember hull]

so is this basically the tldr for swapping trickster -> deathstalker now?

• stop centering everything around fitting 2x sectech
• DN (darkest night) evis is now the important damage event
• enter dance at 0-1 cp instead of pooling before dance
• use dance + shuriken storm macro instead of dance + sectech
• still use sectech during dance/windows, just dont grief DN optimization for it
• DS wants a bit more haste and tighter sequencing overall

so basically trickster was:
“dance -> sectech”

and DS is more:
“dance -> build -> giga DN evis”

?

Totally correct me if im wrong im not in front of the game just trying to wrap my head around it cause im dumb and need someone to check my thinking lol

[hazy breach]

Yes

Its not really tighter sequencing though

Just more haste to be able to have a dance long enough to accomodate 2 darkest nights

[ember hull]

Gotcha im ngl i copy pasted all the discussion around it into chat gpt and told it to summarize it for me lol

So that was its opinion

[golden totem]

chatgpt guide writer

[shadow ivy]

grok is this true

[vale pine]

lol

time to introduce MoroesGPT

(i am joking)

[graceful rock]

so getting your sec tech in ds dance is just a cherry on top?

from what im reading in a sim example is dance if you can apex DN

and then with blades etc

[fallow ingot]

Anyone will reclear today as DS ?

[shadow snow]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[ashen warren]

On what fight would we want to play DS ?

[fallow ingot]

All of them minus dragons and vanguard ?

[lilac stag]

[west tide]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[shrewd lantern]

Every fight is a pad boss if you put your mind to it.

[lilac stag]

boss dmg parses >>>> overall parses

[serene notch]

Do I get a discount haste needed as DS as a goblin, or is the same and strictly calculated off of raw number.

[lilac stag]

Raw

[shrewd lantern]

goblin suck

[serene notch]

🙁

[west tide]

how come sometimes i get a darkest night debuff randomly even tho im still at 2 stacks of mark

[shrewd lantern]

also you have to listen to a new jersey accent

[west tide]

is this dummy bugged

[shrewd lantern]

which is honestly worse

[serene notch]

I like the sneak animation

[swift tinsel]

goblin has goated stealth animation

[mint swift]

???

[swift tinsel]

its so good

[shrewd lantern]

you have to listen to a jersey accent

thats a massive L

[swift tinsel]

nah just don't have dialogue on

[mint swift]

It's peajk

[swift tinsel]

I don't need to listen to my toon speak ever

[mint swift]

Esp if it's the female one

[shrewd lantern]

No fuck new jersey

[serene notch]

Tell me how you really feel 😄

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i already think nyc is a ratfest.

and new jersey is just retirement home new york

Kind of like florida is retirement home california.

[mint swift]

Rat

?

:O

[small sleet]

you probably consumed the mark and got darkest night > shadowstriked to apply a new mark which got a quietus proc

at which point you have darkest night available, and a 2 stack mark on the dummy

[dire ravine]

bis sin neck, or bis dagger- tough choices 🙁

[somber sun]

ngl

[dreamy needle]

i just want to be wanted again

[shadow ivy]

devious addon

[serene notch]

What a depressing addon to have

[lilac stag]

Anything that involves assa is never bis

[dreamy needle]

LMAO

[lilac stag]

Reroll DK

[dreamy needle]

[earnest crane]

guys why when i m with a lock in PIT warlock randomly pull adds some one told me its warlock bug when its in gp with rogue

pulls whole dung

is it a real bug ?

[swift tinsel]

possibly

[lilac stag]

It’s something. No one is sure what. Likely related to secret tech pets and the warlocks eye

play outlaw.

You’re fine

[earnest crane]

never

[swift tinsel]

the idea of clones/pets causing spellqueue issues is funny but compelling

[earnest crane]

i just dont take warlock

[lilac stag]

also option

[swift tinsel]

Eye Explosion having 50,000 range could explain though; sectech/nado/bp clone causes any mob in the 8-10 yards to tag as unable to be hit by Eye Explosion if they happen simultaneously, then they seek something else far away

if I had to guess, its that

[earnest crane]

nice design

[swift tinsel]

or something similar

[small sleet]

i bet its something dumber

[lilac stag]

@sterile raven you better get this fixed quick. You know it’s bad when the low pop rogue population is being “selective” with their groups.

[swift tinsel]

it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were

[dire ravine]

isnt assa like a late tier sleeper? idk.

[lilac stag]

It’ll put you to sleep for sure

[earnest crane]

if u have +20 key u can select anything no matter what u play

[lilac stag]

there’s basically zero reason to play assa right now unless you love it.

and that’s very few of us in this channel

[small sleet]

assa's pretty good still

[shadow ivy]

insane prio damage is a reason

[icy whale]

bump just in case anyone else has feedback to consider - thanks again!

[serene notch]

Assa has lowest smiles per min, I’ll pass.

[swift tinsel]

probs pbox and prism from that list

crucible trinket might be better than prism but idr how it compares to hero

[shrewd lantern]

guarantee you most people who say this

dont understand what prio is

and just repeat what a streamer said

[lilac stag]

[small sleet]

i dont think prio is a hard concept to understand, people more often tend to misunderstand what funnel is

[swift tinsel]

probs referencing this

[shrewd lantern]

no wow players are insanely stupid

you give them a tool to understand what gear is better

and they still ask

[lilac stag]

It’s been muttered all tier

cat on lap is very disappointed

[shrewd lantern]

Very few things exceed it

Like when i worked customer service in uni.

[shadow ivy]

ok what is prio damage

[brisk raptor]

Panda and mechagnome sim about the same eh?

[shrewd lantern]

or rather mfs will do a 15 key

and think prio matters

its just a fancy way to say you focused one mob

[steel turret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1KThCfTUau8PuT7iYyEPTW does this seem right? im only at 668 haste

[swift tinsel]

ye I def think this is way more prevalent

[shrewd lantern]

its like the wow version of corporate lingo shitspeak

making a word/phrase sound fancier

to pretend you're smarter than you really are

[swift tinsel]

thinking doing more damage to one target than the smaller ones around it is funneling

[shrewd lantern]

like yes assa's main cooldowns are both purely st

[shadow ivy]

so it has good prio damage

[ripe flame]

Funnelling = doing more st by having extra targets

[odd saddle]

i dont think ive seen anyone care about what people say this much

[swift tinsel]

tbf through Caustic assassination does get prio dmg

[swift tinsel]

yep

[small sleet]

assa has both funnel and good prio

idk what the discussion is even about at this point

[swift tinsel]

or having damage from multiple targets literally funnel into a main target

[shrewd lantern]

scent of blood

but yeah aldrachi havoc would be the real funnel slinger

[shrewd lantern]

more like you dont have an option not to really

[shadow ivy]

i am so stunlocked by this

[swift tinsel]

wounded quarry, singular focus, execution sentence

[shrewd lantern]

prio is just a fancier way to say you focused a target

[shadow ivy]

prio is short for priority as in priority target

how is it anything like that it's just shorthand

[shrewd lantern]

it got started by streamers

who are a plague

[small sleet]

prio is not referring to focusing a target lmao

[shrewd lantern]

i mean the whole point is you try to get one specific mob down

[mortal arch]

you're blaming streamers for a thing that is just a fundamental part of the game

[shadow ivy]

WHAT

[shrewd lantern]

priority=it needs to go down

either way its comp dependent, 3 aoe heavy specs will tend to cannabalize each other

[odd saddle]

...

[lilac stag]

[swift tinsel]

graf and talking out their ass, a more iconic duo

[lilac stag]

me and sarcasm?

[swift tinsel]

shit

u right

lmao

[shrewd lantern]

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/crushed-it-gif-18087987023179949748

[swift tinsel]

[shrewd lantern]

i mean every rogue spec is just fine

You're just worse than a dk

at everything

[lilac stag]

The star of sarcasm in my name.

[shadow ivy]

i just think between sub and sin sub is the more nicheless

[swift tinsel]

it is now, by virtue of sin hoovering up a bunch of them

[small sleet]

Subs niche is very high single target right now at least

[lilac stag]

Sub is one of the best boss dmg specs. Arguably an important niche. More so that assa’s mid prio dmg in comps that just do it better.

[swift tinsel]

and kinda has been a lot of the time since df rework gave them a bunch of toys

[shrewd lantern]

isnt ret just better at prio anyway

[swift tinsel]

the divine storm spammers?

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

the least prio aoe ability in the game?

[crude turret]

i never played sub, but always as outlaw. how hard could it be for me to swap for sub?

[shrewd lantern]

you see ret players have to choose to not do that

[bleak night]

except during es it all feeds back into prio target now

[shrewd lantern]

most wont but....

[bleak night]

ret has insane prio damage

[small sleet]

Sub is easier than outlaw by a good margin

[swift tinsel]

isn't it just the initial blast of es that funnels

[shrewd lantern]

This is the season all 3 rogue specs are comfortably mid.

[lilac stag]

if we listen to speed, outlaw has best ST in game for keys.

[bleak night]

anything the blast hits then funnels all damage you do into the main target at the end

[shrewd lantern]

And you'd do better replacing rogue with a better melee.

[bleak night]

its not just the blasts damage

[ripe flame]

I could be wrong but I believe a % of the damage they deal during the hammer gets blasted at the end to the target

[odd saddle]

maybe if you hit 4 jackpots in a row lol

[lilac stag]

How many DKs would you like.

[crude turret]

Teach me?

[shrewd lantern]

2

and aug

ig

[bleak night]

the blast basically marks all the adds with their own mini es that hits the main target at the end

thats what that says yes

[lilac stag]

I just enjoy the click bait YT images. Can’t be bothered to watch it.

[bleak night]

all damage you've dealt to the targets effected by the initial blast

[shrewd lantern]

yeah outlaw is harder than the other 2 as it stands

[bleak night]

not just the initial blast damage

[shrewd lantern]

ret is just incredibly good this season

[swift tinsel]

ah, makes sense

[lilac stag]

If it last longer than 5 hours they should get to a dr

[swift tinsel]

I read it as only 20% of damage done by the initial blast

[odd saddle]

outlaw hard because you have to stare at cds and combo points lol

[lilac stag]

@bleak night 👋

[shrewd lantern]

no you dont

if you're staring you lack experience

[quaint breach]

real men vibe play

[shrewd lantern]

outlaw is more of because you dont instantly notice the small mistakes

and they accumulate

[vale pine]

i prefere regular play over vibrato

[swift tinsel]

the existence of 1roll outlaw makes any good vibes disappear

[old lynx]

2nd week in a row with a bs vault FML (Have ascended guidons, f puzzlebox)

[swift tinsel]

bc that shit suuuuuuucks

[shrewd lantern]

That's a wipe angle

[swift tinsel]

1roll in keys should be banned

need a sip of that cool crisp 3roll or jackpot

[shrewd lantern]

when i get parried on my env before cds as assa

i wanna send a pipebomb to blizz

ingame

[shadow ivy]

mental boom

[swift tinsel]

be behind them

[shadow ivy]

parry is so cringe

[latent remnant]

would still take it for when you play assa tbf

[shrewd lantern]

its pretty hard to have a brick vault nowadays

since you can always take bonus rolls

[shadow ivy]

socket still good too

[winged shore]

and if you don't have gem slots that's probably your biggest upgrade if you're maxed on gear upgrades

[vale pine]

please don't make threads like this, even as a joke

[latent remnant]

I just pray my weekly 2 bonus roll cores give me the last ring I need then I'm only wrist away from max iL at least, can optimize gearpieces after that

[shrewd lantern]

I still need one socket

plume stariing at me though

[winged shore]

i took my 3rd socket

[swift tinsel]

40mins til I can take my socket

need to sim where to put the first one

(it doesn't matter)

[winged shore]

between shifting a couple of gems and crafting eng boots I can hit my 1100 haste with just haste flask and haste food

[small sleet]

Idk head socket has weird vibes

[swift tinsel]

it really does tho

[copper sail]

quick question sorry if its stupid 3 target fights evis or blk pwder

[small sleet]

Wrist socket feels right

[swift tinsel]

yeah, wrist or belt

since belt historically has had socket items from blacksmithing

[shrewd lantern]

hey

they worked in prepatch

this is what happens when you let copilot do your expansion changes

[lilac stag]

Gonna replace belt first likely

[swift tinsel]

idk if I am honestly

I'm probs just gonna chill with the gear I have now

maybe if chim belt drops and I can shift some stuff around

but I think that puts me pretty high over the haste threshold for both trickster and ds

[icy whale]

Good call, I just ran the sim again and I either screwed it up or completely missed it, but the prism is represented higher than I initially thought. Crucible is right under it. Appreciate you

[swift tinsel]

by like 30-40

[earnest crane]

guess who got PI

[vale pine]

the tank?

[earnest crane]

like the way u thought Fuu

[swift tinsel]

what pi thing is the priest talking about

[winged shore]

My vote is nobody

[latent remnant]

when i first started playing i started with priest and i never macrod pi so it was a roulette every time i pressed it

[swift tinsel]

you weren't shilling for it mid-fight were you

👀

[shadow ivy]

potential self snitch

[lucid jackal]

sub rogue PI doesn't do anything tho

[small sleet]

If you were asking for pi as sub rogue you are hereby banned forever

[swift tinsel]

exactly

[shrewd lantern]

does it let you supercharge the second st

in blades

w/o lust

[lilac stag]

@lucid jackal how was foreverfists vault?

[lucid jackal]

A socket! again!

[swift tinsel]

they have 8min sated

[shrewd lantern]

i've gotten PI in pugs

as outlaw

[lilac stag]

Did you just transfer vault luck from rogue to ww?

[winged shore]

So what all bosses do we think it's worth to go DS

[shrewd lantern]

vora

[winged shore]

Prob first 3 in spire

[swift tinsel]

most

[winged shore]

chimmy?

[swift tinsel]

besides dragons and paladins

[shrewd lantern]

chim has adds

[swift tinsel]

adds on chim die insta

[shadow ivy]

adds are a myth they dont exist

[swift tinsel]

you can destroy them with a single sectech

[shrewd lantern]

be the first person to pad

be the change you want to see

[shadow ivy]

TO THE MOON

[winged shore]

yeah chimmy only real cleave is the fear adds during intermission w/ big guy

[small sleet]

Miss the soak on accident and keep hitting boss

[lucid jackal]

I think so

[swift tinsel]

ye, and those die pretty easy as long as kicks are in order

[ripe flame]

Enter an extra soak with cloak on accident after intermission

[earnest crane]

The dk got PI BTW

[lucid jackal]

Why wouldnt he?

[lilac stag]

Ugh. RedRogue had good vault + chim bonus roll.

[lucid jackal]

He was suppose to get PI

[small sleet]

Well yeah why wouldn’t he lmao

[shrewd lantern]

idk i can usually get a sectech and coup off

on imperator adds

[swift tinsel]

the reroll prophecy is coming true

what rogue, only dk's here

[winged shore]

imperator though blades never lines up for adds

[shrewd lantern]

dk is just a better rogue

[winged shore]

so idk if it's worth running aoe talents

[swift tinsel]

yeah I just boss nuke imperator

[lucid jackal]

Who was suppose to get PI in your mind

[lilac stag]

Im really curious to see what they rather have me on as we prog after crown.

[swift tinsel]

you'll have a sectech for the add spawn but its only important to kill the big dude fast really

[earnest crane]

the best dps no matter what class he plays

[swift tinsel]

or you ethically save blades for add spawn

[winged shore]

yeah typically I'll maybe throw a couple black powders on imp adds

[swift tinsel]

huehue

[winged shore]

but very little

[small sleet]

Do you not understand how pi works lol

[lucid jackal]

Thats not how it works though

[ripe flame]

Pi on sub

[lucid jackal]

Sub is like the worst PI in the game next to like, Outlaw

[shadow ivy]

autoattack speed bro pls bro

[swift tinsel]

I just tunnel big man and then slightly smaller man

[shrewd lantern]

i mean its farm

[lilac stag]

Just PI the tank

[shrewd lantern]

it kind of doesnt matter

[small sleet]

It’s literally higher value on the bear

[shrewd lantern]

which you do

[lilac stag]

maybe they pull faster. idk

[ripe flame]

Tried that last reclear the adds died after I pressed sectec

[lilac stag]

faster at grabbing picnic baskets

[swift tinsel]

might be a vibes thing

[shrewd lantern]

this is you why you never run pp

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm a humble boss damage farmer so I just kinda send and then hold sectech for a bit for when shield breaks and add comes free

[winged shore]

The DS build link in the pin - why does it take shiv + TS?

[hazy breach]

No particular reason

You can swap those to whatever else you want

[shrewd lantern]

Idk how to get higher on dragons

for boss dam

[small sleet]

Never hold for orbs, don’t send anything on intermissions would be my guess

[earnest crane]

how much cirit do i need for outlaw ?

and haste

[lucid jackal]

[shrewd lantern]

Probably yeah

i think i sent on 2nd inter add

just because it came up

[forest moss]

why does deathstalker prefer to start SD with low combo points?

[shrewd lantern]

the big chungus not the little shits

[lilac stag]

!ds

[shadow ivy]

even the big chungus is dying giga fast

[shrewd lantern]

yeah now he is

[lilac stag]

@vale pine fix ^

[coral bear]

Is the crown trinket any good on rogue?

[serene notch]

Nice dude

[shadow ivy]

it's good on outlaw i think

[shrewd lantern]

Its decent for them iirc

just not as strong as plume+gaze

[coral bear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral bear]

ya i wont take it then

Its either the neck for assassination

or a belt gem

which i do need

[lilac stag]

Helm is good for DS

[shadow ivy]

have you bonus rolled pit yet there's a lot of good shit in there

[lilac stag]

Isn’t that high haste/mastery

[swift tinsel]

helm? its crit/haste

slightly higher crit

[coarse bronze]

sporefall has a leather helm, so I wouldn't chase helms unless you have nothing else to roll / you don't raid mythic

comes out in like 2 weeks now?

[swift tinsel]

3, supposedly

the 16th

not officially confirmed yet though

[nova cairn]

Anyone decent got a log as DS yet

[swift tinsel]

that's when timeways and the other stuff is purported to be releasing

[winged shore]

yeah I switched and I'm running the devouring night's visage and tier pants since we'll swap to that helm

[hazy breach]

I mean you can just catalyse the new helm

[winged shore]

oh I wasn't sure you could

[hazy breach]

It would be insanely strange if you couldnt

[swift tinsel]

its just regular loot

[hallow mortar]

tommorow is the day i get guidon

surely

the last roll

[latent remnant]

its gonna just show up in vault instead

[bleak night]

this is my last roll to finally get chim trinket and guild decided we just arent doing it this week

so now i have to pug

[latent remnant]

guild griefing hard by stopping doing chim before everyone has gaze

thats kinda very fucked

[winged shore]

your guild is dumb

[hazy breach]

Tbf its also very easy to pug it

[small sleet]

You’re legally allowed to crash out on them

[hallow mortar]

its easier to parse in pug aswell

i did rank2 there in pug, would not be possible with guild

[somber sun]

dumb question, does parse system count in adds damage ?

[latent remnant]

unless specified that something is excluded, yes

example of exclusion on crown

[sterile raven]

but thats kind of the solution right now

its annoying but its what it is for now

[brisk raptor]

@hazy breach my sim shows pot of reck simming 300 dps better than lights potential on ST patchwerk. Do I trust it?

[lilac stag]

my sarcasm missed.
I’m curious if there’s an actual trigger that we can find with the resources we have avail or if it needs Johnny Blizzard to look at it.

[sterile raven]

that would be ideal

[ember hull]

bruh idk how to get to the needed haste with ds lol, i guess you have to sacrifice ilvl with a hero piece but im 291 already and with the haste flask i end up at 890 haste, recraft dagger and belt and another item i guess to be 100% haste? or just replace the items i have with crafted myth gear to get that stat

lura and crown being the only options not exactly farmable lolol

[fringe nest]

at 900 haste now

[latent remnant]

Some people here mentioned engineering crafted pieces + ring crafts for haste

[fringe nest]

unbuffed

[hazy breach]

Thats practically within margin, but yes you can use it on ST too if you want

[lilac stag]

I’ll make engineering boots just so I don’t need to swap crafts for tricky

[hazy breach]

Craft engineering boots

[ember hull]

what are they called

oh i see them

[fringe nest]

hope i get myth head next week

so i have full myth on this char

[ember hull]

its 97 stat? that put me at like 970, and then a ring i guess?

[random mason]

100 something on max qual I'm pretty sure

[small sleet]

121 on max

[lilac stag]

Boots are 121

[fringe nest]

Pandaren falls off next tier right?

[keen steppe]

finaly 19 seat done

[ember hull]

okay that puts me at 1008, is that good enough or does it need to be closer to 1100

[fringe nest]

is that 1008 without flask and oils?

[ember hull]

wwith both

[lilac stag]

Still too low

1075 likely minimum if I remember correctly

[surreal orbit]

whats the rogue lore about every rogue using that set xD it looks good im just curious

[fringe nest]

i mean

spent millions on it

kinda have to use it

OR?

[surreal orbit]

oh i thought it was from some OG stuff

[lilac stag]

Original Tier that was hard to get. Now became a just buy it with gold. Lost its luster

[fringe nest]

it is from Vanilla naxxramas

[shrewd lantern]

millions?

just buy on dead server

[fringe nest]

but got it on BMAH

[shrewd lantern]

[surreal orbit]

oh yeah thats what it is

I see a lot of (pvp focused) rogues using that exact mog i was just curious

[shrewd lantern]

druid t3 gets used alot less

[dire ravine]

Does DS follow similar secondary stat guidelines to Trickster outside of the 1100 haste req?

[vestal rune]

Are we gimping ourselves if we’re so heavy in haste?

[nova cairn]

In aoe does coup take prio over BP

[lilac stag]

yes

[next pulsar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nocturne tendon]

alright, bit of a weird one but I'm kinda stumped
Has anyone else noticed weird stuff when you pair a sub rogue and demo lock in keys? I sometimes run keys with a demo friend, and it seems every time we're in a more "crowded" place like pit for example, we're getting ninja pulls like CRAZY. We're aware of diabolist being bugged to shit and having like 3 different issues with ninja pulling in keys, but the weird thing is my friend plays solo/in other groups quite a lot (no rogue in group as you can imagine xd) and never has issues. It seems the moment we pair up we start running into this problem, like just now he ninja'd twice in one pack lmao

[ember hull]

lowkey yeah i have that problem all the time with locks

but they say it doesnt happen other tiems

[small sleet]

Yes it’s all but confirmed to interact more often with sub rogue

[nocturne tendon]

man what the fuck

[shadow lance]

Yes happened to a guildie and I. Seems there weird interaction with rogue

[small sleet]

Mastery is a bit better than crit because dn evis guaranteed crits, but it’s still just a sim and see what it says angle

[shrewd lantern]

though imo t3 is hella incomplete with that tabard

This one works better

or void

[small sleet]

As someone who did not play this game my whole life, old tier sets look like dogshit

[shrewd lantern]

there's only been one good tierset last 2 expacs

[lilac stag]

you don’t like 4 pixel textures?

[shrewd lantern]

nerubar

[small sleet]

I liked the aberrus tier set

[sullen hare]

I don't get the hype but it's an alright looking set

[shrewd lantern]

Legion they stopped doing 2 pixel sets.

[small sleet]

I’m sure nostalgia carries it a decent bit but when you don’t have the nostalgia it’s rough

[shrewd lantern]

kind of my baseline for "modern"

[sullen hare]

I'd say cata is more when we started getting higher quality armor models

[shrewd lantern]

cata is still low res

imo

set above is basically reimagined t6

with modern graphics

modern bloodfang had potential, but they missed severely by forgetting to include the red eyes

of og bloodfang

[sullen hare]

https://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1092/flowing-water-armor

[surreal orbit]

Im bothered by blizzard because my favorite mog is partially ruined by the dumbest thing

they made a hertiage set supposed to be for ONE race and it clips with every hairstyle

that isn't "bald" or "balding"

[shrewd lantern]

do you actually use

the velf heritage helm

[surreal orbit]

hell no

[shrewd lantern]

you're basically a belf copy

[surreal orbit]

yes

[shrewd lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sonion-gif-1722807189204709072

[surreal orbit]

but i can do this

boom

[shrewd lantern]

im just a vampire elf rn

[surreal orbit]

I like the aesthetic of being a super pale elf that is a void elf

[shrewd lantern]

i prefer the warmonger dagger

[surreal orbit]

and it makes the racial more dramatic

[shrewd lantern]

that set would do more for me if they added vfx to non mythic shoulders

which they didnt add until end of sl

[shell vector]

With the changes to Deathstalker what fights do we justify going pure ST on? Guild is starting prog on the big 3 (Crown, Belo, L'ura) and I'm curious what spec should go with each

[shrewd lantern]

entirely comp dependent...

[ember hull]

nah i gotta be full stupid the rotation for ds makes no sense to me, why do we start at low for dance? trickster it lines up fully nice, opener, premed pop my blades macro then go into my window and brr till i get my second sectech, with ds im like, premed, eviscerate, then dance, blades, shuriken storm? the initial burst is like 200k lower it feels horrible, then what, idk man i think im deciding to stay trick, cause its a 6% bfuf but im 10% stupider

[shrewd lantern]

belo is trickster

[hazy breach]

Its absolutely not doing 200k lower burst

[shrewd lantern]

isnt DS burst only

slightly worse

[ember hull]

cause im bad at it

im saying

[hazy breach]

If you proc the 2 mark on pull its usually higher

Because then your first darkest night is supercharged

[shrewd lantern]

oh right

[small sleet]

Give it a bit of practicing and you’ll get used to it. It took me like half a raid night before I was consistently doing more than trickster

[shrewd lantern]

all you non pad believer

smh

[small sleet]

Crown and belo should prob be trickster, Lura prob deathstalker

[shrewd lantern]

well unless your guild sucks at midnight crystal dam

might happen if you're just reaching the boss

[small sleet]

Eh at this point they die near instantly. Even if your guild struggles to kill em the first couple pulls you should still practice for what you’ll be playing the whole prog imo

[shrewd lantern]

trickster it is

[barren wave]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

why tricky man on crown

does ds not go hard

[lilac stag]

no clue. im just st tunneler

[shrewd lantern]

i dont even have enough haste gear

regardless

[small sleet]

I guess it would, I just think it’d be annoying to do p1 with ds lmao

[shrewd lantern]

[warm marlin]

u got the mark move every 20s

surely its fine

[shrewd lantern]

if i slave enough keys to make a haste mast ring maybe

[warm marlin]

think of the apex supercharged dn on the last guy

[shrewd lantern]

but doing m+

yeah yikes

[small sleet]

M+ only good content

[shrewd lantern]

why are you playing rogue then

[small sleet]

Because rogue fun in m+

[shrewd lantern]

rogue sucks in m+ compared to actual good melee

[warm marlin]

not crest farm

[small sleet]

Rogue pretty good this tier

[hazy breach]

It genuinely doesnt

[lilac stag]

crest farm in ritual sites

[hazy breach]

Unholy isnt a melee

[shrewd lantern]

compared to dk yeah

and ret

[hazy breach]

Rogue does not suck compared to ret

[shell vector]

DK isn't a real melee change my mind

[lilac stag]

DK is the melee all other melee wishes they could be

[bleak night]

frost is still a melee but uhdk definitely isnt

[shadow lance]

Udk is at melee, what BM is at casters

[warm marlin]

isnt arms also insane

[shell vector]

Is frost DK even playable?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah?

[swift tinsel]

fdk is amazing atm

[warm marlin]

not in keys bruh

[shrewd lantern]

frost is kind of good

[swift tinsel]

just not m+

[warm marlin]

in raid its goated

[nocturne tendon]

just to follow up on this, my friend and I just spent 5 minutes on the single dummy in silvermoon and his hand of gul'dan would start hitting the aoe dummies in africa EVERY SINGLE TIME, the moment I got into combat with his target as sub. didn't happen at all with me as assa, gg

[hazy breach]

Arms is great too yeah

[shrewd lantern]

ranged is just grossly favored in keys

melee range be a warzone

[hazy breach]

But its not like it absolutely dwarfs rogue

[shrewd lantern]

while ranged payphoning

[small sleet]

Frost dk is pretty good in keys from the little bit I’ve played with it

[warm marlin]

when I tried it it seemed quite ass

but that is also through the lens of udk

[lilac stag]

it's only ass compared to UH.

it's legit S tier

[shrewd lantern]

also sub gets so stale after like 2-3 keys for me

only so much ss bp spam

before i begin to hit the z's

[warm marlin]

I also didnt have 1h weapons to try the real build

[lilac stag]

that's next on my shopping list

[small sleet]

o yeah the dk i played with was running dual wield

[lilac stag]

since I dont need to reroll trinkets

[shrewd lantern]

idk though

playing unholy then playing rogue again in keys

is like

"Why the fk would i play rogue"

[small sleet]

well yeah but thats more of an unholy problem than a rogue problem

[still gazelle]

You see that's why I don't touch other classes

[lilac stag]

fun is individual

[still gazelle]

I don't want to know, I just want to love Rogue.

[lilac stag]

the horse blinder approach

[shrewd lantern]

its also since i find 0 fun

in current black powder spam

of current sub

[still gazelle]

Assassination is pretty fun

[warm marlin]

real

to the bp thing

not assa

ick

[small sleet]

current sub is pretty simple but there's still a fair amount of optimization to be found

[lilac stag]

fdk is fun for me. sub is kinda a vibe. it still needs some love to goremaws to give one more button press

[small sleet]

if you want engaging rogue gameplay you kinda have to play outlaw

[shrewd lantern]

the only feeling of enjoyment is the sectech global

rest of the spec is snooze rn

[lilac stag]

until it causes the warlock to pull narnia

[warm marlin]

how they massacred my boy

[shrewd lantern]

i miss crackshot

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure thats warlocks gaslighting

as per usual

[nocturne tendon]

nah there's something giga wrong with sub and warlock (only diabolist in my experience)

[warm marlin]

nah

we saw some evidence today

with a warlock guy

seems to have some weight

[shrewd lantern]

maybe its dance threat drops then

[small sleet]

its only diabolist because its a hero talent from diabolist pulling it

[warm marlin]

seems clone related

xd

[night sparrow]

Next patch note : single target builder is now Shuriken Storm, ahead of Shadowstrike

[lilac stag]

the gaslighting was the locks saying they did nothing and it just happened. there's some actual weight to the sub connection

[shrewd lantern]

but blizz pet ai is always stupid

[nocturne tendon]

yeah the occuli

[shrewd lantern]

so it probably bricks something

Look blizzard ran out of copilot prompts for the month.

They'll fix it next month for sure

[nocturne tendon]

i literally went and backstabbed twice no dance and my lock started pulling zul'aman from silvermoon

[surreal orbit]

they pushed the patch live with a bug that made arcane mages just lose mana passively at all times lmao

[nocturne tendon]

shit is so weird

[small sleet]

you probably spawned a clone with apex talents

[swift tinsel]

iirc the inital thought was something related to So Tricky but we've sussed out a lot more today

[shrewd lantern]

Look blizzard is a small indie company

[nocturne tendon]

yeah i'm thinking it's something to do with clones

[shrewd lantern]

they're just starting off resource are expensive

[nocturne tendon]

mostly cause clones are a fucking enigma

and i don't see anything else that would interact so weirdly

[lilac stag]

it looks more like sectech and moving

than clones

[small sleet]

nah its definitely separate from sectech

[shrewd lantern]

are you guys implying blizzard is a big enough company to have a proper QA team?

[dire ravine]

Honestly wasnt as bad as i thought finding the extra haste, just sucks having to regem in and out now for trickster m+

[small sleet]

i have logs of it happening nowhere near sectech

[surreal orbit]

remind me why DS wants 1.1k haste?

[shrewd lantern]

And doesnt just push out shitty ai prompts and patches

as a cashgrab

[swift tinsel]

yeah I don't reall think its just sectech

but any clone

[small sleet]

to get another global in dance

[nocturne tendon]

is there a link to the evidence by this warlock guy? i'm curious

[lilac stag]

all the clones

[surreal orbit]

oh theres no other interaction its just breakpoints

[swift tinsel]

bc there's others where there's multiple seconds between sectech cast and eye explosion where the pull thing happened

[shrewd lantern]

Anyone remember when blizz decided

how to make haste useful

on a spec that hates it

is make it mandatory to play how it used to

[warm marlin]

look my in messages talking about clones earlier today

[shrewd lantern]

Blizzard should stop adding pet/minion features

they can never implement them

without something shitting the bed

[small sleet]

thats quitter talk

they need to add in more pet features til they get it right

[shrewd lantern]

That'll cost you 100 more copilot tokens.

Thank you sir

[ember hull]

this gonna be just like cloud cover where they make mfs regear/restat for like one week

im coping

but lowkey i think i did just see the light and did more on a dummy on ds

[small sleet]

ds has been better than trickster for quite a while

[shrewd lantern]

who regeared for cloudcover

i swapped one neck

[ember hull]

well im out on lura prog anyways which is probs gonna take forever so ima only be doing keys so its all a wash regardless

[fossil forge]

https://youtu.be/Qul5FT0fYjk?si=m6uDQTBcDa43QLq-

[warm marlin]

they hotfixed this the second this video came out btw

tettles is an inside man

[fossil forge]

fuaaaaark

[dire ravine]

For DS- are we spending at minimum of 5- for the DN ?

[hazy breach]

Tettles usually posts m+ tech videos, and then the tech gets fixed within a week

[warm marlin]

ya but im talking like

the second

it was out

[hazy breach]

Always max DN

Ye ik

But also, most, if not all of your DNs should be inside dance and apexed, which makes them 7cp by default

[dire ravine]

and the 3? just make sure theyre at atleast 5?

[hazy breach]

6+, same as always

but thats practically always 7 anyway

[dire ravine]

bet. thank you, thats actually all i needed to know xD

[lilac stag]

i wonder if he asked if it was ok to post as a courtesy

[shrewd lantern]

boomkin main

what do you think?

[lilac stag]

is he even on the boomie any more?

[shrewd lantern]

idk sometimes i forget hes a dps

with how often i see him below the tank in keys

[lilac stag]

weird that you're stalking tettles

kinda unhealthy

[shrewd lantern]

no i've only seen a few clips

[lilac stag]

mhmm

[shrewd lantern]

and no not the legion one where he dies to skovald 3x

in 20 seconds

he doesnt produce as many great clips as gromnak though

[west slate]

Hi, I dont play sub rogue often but I see buffs to death stalker while I have been playing trickster. Seems like a lot of people at the ~700 haste breakpoint are also using the Lights Guidon, can someone help me understand why its still good as a haste on use? is it specifically to use before I go into shadow dance for the longer duration?

[hazy breach]

Yes, and to hit 2 secret techniques during shadow blades

[west slate]

ok, that makes sense

thank you

I assume the 1 sec delay on the talent is still there

so I cant macro them together

[peak ice]

Yep

[sweet moss]

Guys i have 2 bonus rolls, both my rings are heroic they are my only none myth, which 2 rings on myth do i aim for.

[peak ice]

Nexus

Well that might be different for ds actually

[shrewd lantern]

ds you probably fine using the haste mast one

[sweet moss]

fuck ds

[peak ice]

Nexus then

[sweet moss]

kk nice

ty

[lyric iris]

or socket? D:

[shrewd lantern]

why would you not take myth legs

[peak ice]

sockets not worth until youre basically all myth

[shrewd lantern]

those legs are good vault honestly

since bonus rolling spire is a high brick chance

4 shit trinkets

[lyric iris]

thanks for tips ❤️

[shrewd lantern]

its not like pit where almost every item in the pool is value

[shell hollow]

quick question, for DS st, after 1100 do we lean more towards crit or mastery

[hazy breach]

Mastery, but it doesnt mastter much

[shell hollow]

roger

[lilac stag]

nxp

[nocturne tendon]

so, regarding the sub rogue/warlock aggro mystery, I'll just leave this here in case it helps down the road:

• target dummies, warlock hits the solo one, I go and auto attack - nothing out of the ordinary, hand of gul'dan hits as intended, diabolic occuli aren't acting up
• I press backstab, apex clone procs - literally first hand of gul'dan after this we see the aoe dummies get hit by occuli, it's bricked from there on
  

[shrewd lantern]

so clones of any type

make it shit the bed

[swift tinsel]

can they fix the target dummy shit so I'm not perma-combat even after vanish/melding

[lilac stag]

just delete warlocks. problem solves itself.

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but then move closet to which class

[swift tinsel]

had to walk halfway to saltheril's haven to mount

[lilac stag]

Rogue

We can hand out crimson vials instead of gel cookies

[swift tinsel]

imposter spotted

fake pally

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

What if he knew all along pink rogue was way to go

[swift tinsel]

it was all just projecting at @finite carbon

I should check on my pinkman

still my toon with the highest /played

though rogue is only 4 days played behind now lol

not bad for competing with a 19 year old toon

[surreal orbit]

hell yeah finished the mythic amirdrassil set and got them all

[lilac stag]

would you go ret next season as a possibility?

[swift tinsel]

probably not as a main, but main alt I could see myself enjoying it

we already have 3 rets in raid lol

[marble rock]

Hey guys !

i try to use the macro

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

But nothing happen
did i miss something about macro ? i just want to optomize my burst
It's the same than in the guide

[swift tinsel]

and 1 hpal

very crowded loot pool

I'd play herald ret and really spite them all

[lilac stag]

It’s not on your non-stealth bar

[swift tinsel]

though it is kinda fun to verdict your dawnlights onto the targets you want them on vs random ds application

[lilac stag]

oldie but a goodie

[marble rock]

what do you mean ? (sorry ^^)

it's about the gcd ?

[peak ice]

You have 2 bars

One when not stealthed

One when stealthed

[marble rock]

yes yes the number one

[peak ice]

You need to drop it onto both bars

The macro

[marble rock]

okay thank you

[peak ice]

👍

[sullen hare]

Big same

[swift tinsel]

one of them is an absolute monster rn

dude's killin it literally

[sullen hare]

Ours are usually orange parsers

[sand wigeon]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[sullen hare]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/palypants

[swift tinsel]

fuckin chad ret

[finite carbon]

The truth comes out

Rogue w for all

[shell vector]

Just remembered me being a die hard nelf player is coming in handy with hitting that 1100 haste

[hazy breach]

Well night elf doesnt give any haste rating

[bleak night]

[shell vector]

Why is it 1100 rating anyways?

[hazy breach]

Thats 3 extra globals in dance

Enough to fit 2 darkest nights a lot of the time

[shell vector]

Oh I see

Does the nelf racial really not count for that, just like how PI doesn't?

[hazy breach]

Correct

[shell vector]

kms

[hallow night]

go into xenas and get the set rings

[shell vector]

The only item that is remotely worth going for seems to be the haste/vers neck out of seat to get ever so slightly closer to that 1100 mark

[hazy breach]

Crafts are probably your best bet

[shell vector]

Sims for DS are evil like they are for Trickster right? playing perfect globals 0 latency?

[sweet moss]

are ppl actually bothereing with DS

[hazy breach]

"evil" as in you might want like 30-50 extra haste yes

[subtle spruce]

Apparently they are

Reengineered their whole set up

[hazy breach]

You swap like 2 items

[keen steppe]

With ds we still play gideon?

[coral bear]

whats the timer i gotta use guidon before i burst with shadowblade + dance?

[latent remnant]

like a second

[coral bear]

a full sec?

[keen steppe]

You cant nothing do wrong with a second

I guess its a bit more less but we are human not cats

[bleak night]

are we

[shell vector]

Sims don't like the idea of me crafting ANYTHING to get more haste and I'm sitting at 1007 so unless I'm counting guidon usage idk where I go from here lmao

Well ig I didn't try a ring craft

[coral bear]

Quick question, do i do more damage with my evis for deathstalker when im in dance

asking cause i sometime happen to have the eviscerate buff, but my dance run out, wondering if i wanna redance just for the finisher

then do my buildeer

[tulip viper]

are we talking 2 ranks in finality, or 1/2 and taking weaponmaster?

[swift tinsel]

herald ret kinda fun ngl

you can mouseover verdict your dawnlights and dance around with laserbeams

def gonna fw this in keys

[bleak night]

its too bad herald has fucking sucked forever

i didnt look after the recent buffs

[swift tinsel]

its actually simming close/above templar for me

at diff target counts

[bleak night]

its sometimes decent/better aoe yeah

[swift tinsel]

and wins in dslice vs templar

for me

[hazy breach]

2x finality

[swift tinsel]

like 1.1% ahead so nothing insane but I'd gladly play herald over templar

[bleak night]

i dont hate templar but its nice to swap things up a bit sometimes

although i havent even played my pally this tier so

havent really played all that much outside of raid this patch

[swift tinsel]

it's too autopilot for me, I like being able to play around positioning with beams

I haven't looked at ret much since early tww so I'm rediscovering everything lol

I played a fair bit in DF post-rework

could def see myself enjoying it a lot in keys

[bleak night]

the pally in my guild has been enjoying it a lot

seems to be in a pretty good spot atm

he was mad about it getting nerfed in pvp though

[swift tinsel]

ye, good damage and their utility is great as usual

eh I can take or leave pvp lol

[pulsar hemlock]

Aight show me some big post hotfix deathstalker sims

[forest moss]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[subtle spruce]

Now do trickster

[lilac stag]

Take 6.5% off

[subtle spruce]

[ripe flame]

my dad could beat up your dad

[lilac stag]

I can inflate it more.

[ripe flame]

how much does pi give just to inflate the number 🥀

[lilac stag]

No pi

You can purposefully drop haste if you just want to discord flex

[ripe flame]

straight up clickbait

[latent remnant]

dropping down to 50 haste thanku for the advice

[loud folio]

Anyone else notice that the sims are favoring crit a whole lot lately?

[latent remnant]

crit = mastery for ST now if I'm not wrong

[fossil forge]

So funny. Im gonna kms

[coral bear]

Does the Darkest Night buff get affected by the Ancient Art buff?

If someone can let me know

[fossil forge]

im gaining rio but losing my sub ranking…

i need to lock in

[coral bear]

link ?

yall posting but like yall like pp's

[hazy breach]

Yes

You ALWAYS want your darkest nights to be buffed by ancient arts

[ripe flame]

its just number bait

[coral bear]

Is it worth to send another shadowstrike? or i might lose another buff

[hazy breach]

Thats what the entire spec revolves around

[coral bear]

ohh okay

[ripe flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vmrKx64mwJWmveKQQVMofM

[coral bear]

simming myself rq

[swift tinsel]

can get within 2-3% of my sim as ds, getting there kinda

def enjoy it less than trickster gameplay

[coral bear]

DIABLO

I hit 200k dps during my first 35s of fight st

[latent remnant]

holy i didnt realize the lura ring was that much haste

[coral bear]

ya its big pp

[latent remnant]

time to save bonus rolls for when we finally kill

[coral bear]

ur talents are different

where did u get them?

[ripe flame]

faq or wowhead probably

[coral bear]

which boss this is better?

i fill like cloak is better for lura and belo

no?

[lucid jackal]

Cloak duration would be good for beloren

Evasion giving magic DR is probs better for lura

[coral bear]

hmm i see

[lucid jackal]

Rogue has no defensives for the intermission

[hazy breach]

Generally the damage reduction one is better, but there are cases where longer cloak is good

[lucid jackal]

So evasion being an defensive is nice

[latent remnant]

love being able to take 2+ stars in intermission with cloak

[coral bear]

Im trying to understand how

OH

lemme resim

sorry

[hazy breach]

He simmed with vantus rune

[coral bear]

Ya, i forgot my discord for some reason now opens up edge, which doesnt have my preset on

so i had to reput them

rather than google chrome

some random bs

I still would like to know how u are getting 3k dps over me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1GGPpX4iJf8MqCQFprys5p

Im sitting at 1095 haste

[swift tinsel]

this DN buff consume delay in cdm is really annoying too

my brain knows its a visual bug and it works fine but still bothersome

[hazy breach]

Yep its annoying

But thats their fix to make DN work with ancient arts

So

[alpine wraith]

kek

[coral bear]

Is there a section of raidbot that shows ur stats? like Agi/Haste/vers etc at the end of a sim?

[swift tinsel]

also my sectech cd seems to be matching my blades duration instead of being less with guidon buff, might be me being dumb

[lucid jackal]

full HTML report

[ripe flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/86QxYZMe66ufV8Hqza7VxQ

latest over weekly

[coral bear]

ohh

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-movie-drooling-slime-gif-525340425450564005

me rn

oh i found ur stats

[coral bear]

Ur stats

vs mine

[swift tinsel]

yeah I think I'm just gonna take the dmg loss and stick with trickster, this hero tree isn't for me

[ripe flame]

[coral bear]

yeah i have too much crit

i see

ur a chad mastery guy

[astral axle]

Oh the DN buff consume delay is just a visual bug? it'll still consume it on time yea?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[astral axle]

ty ty

[night sparrow]

Hey guys we are apexing supercharged finishers by casting shadowstrike when full cp, then aren't we supposed to do the same if full cp + next shadowstrike makes coup usable ? Like isn't coup kind of a super supercharged evis ?

[candid urchin]

whats the sim haste breakpoint for DS with 0 latency?

[coral bear]

Hmm kk i need crown leggies

[hazy breach]

Or well, technically it is delayed from falling off, to make sure the buff is actually applied to ancient art clones

[astral axle]

I seeee

[coral bear]

If im on my last GCD of dance, and i have the empowered eviscerate, but not shadowart, do i send it on dance, or i get myself secret arts, but dance wears off, then send the eviscerate?

[grizzled bay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

my vault is telling me to go DS

intrusive thoughts

[bleak night]

https://klipy.com/gifs/akira-leave-me-alone-3