10 is ~43% higher than 7
#subtlety
hazy breach
lilac stag
man. more higher education maths. 
void ocean
what abou raid fight vs m+ fight
shadow lance
Wdym
What's the difference in % between someone who SC every DN evisc and someone who doesn't
void ocean
what math do we use there
sly shore
@vale pine should be "Two-target cleave" and the first potent powder should be black powder.
hazy breach
Keep in mind that its not even only about supercharging the DN
You also get 2 DNs off in a dance
If you start the dance with DN
hollow spear
What's the difference in % between someone who SC every DN evisc and someone who...
The exact percentage doesn't matter, it's int to not do it
void ocean
btw how long is the dance with 1100 haste
hazy breach
9 gcds
lilac stag
8.6 seconds I think. I forgot what the tooltip had
hazy breach
Every ~500 haste is another gcd
void ocean
holup arent we having 8 with 700 haste
shadow lance
The exact percentage doesn't matter, it's int to not do it
Bro wtf
hazy breach
Yes you'd have 8 with 700
void ocean
it would be good if haste was tuned in the way that u can cover the entire blades with 2 dances
hazy breach
it would be good if haste was tuned in the way that u can cover the entire blade...
You can
With guidon
void ocean
yea but i need like 2k haste xD
hazy breach
What
shadow lance
But why does the answer to that question matter
For personal knowledge?
hollow spear
Leading to what?
void ocean
we dont get to 1500 haste even with guidon, no?
lilac stag
hollow spear
It's not even that. It's worse
lilac stag
It's not even that. It's worse <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Grabbed the wrong one.
hollow spear
Yeah, I would have replied the same to the other one tho haha
I could swear I've asked before, but my memory is shot. Do we apex the sc sectec during our dance or no, Eleem?
void ocean
For personal knowledge?
answer is: nobody ever cared to compile the exact number probably, because it only mattered to follow the rotation
hollow spear
Feel like I sometimes lose the 2nd apexed dn if I don't get a lucky proc, if I apex the sectec
slate marlin
Well next season shadowblades will be shorter
earnest crane
Is TFD gonna be better than Finnality in keys ?
shadow lance
answer is: nobody ever cared to compile the exact number probably, because it on...
Thanks. Why isn't it written, in rotation faq, to enter dance at 1 Mark/DN ?
minor osprey
Is TFD gonna be better than Finnality in keys ?
i tried it in a couple of 19s and 20s doesn't feel better imo
earnest crane
but it sims more
void ocean
Thanks. Why isn't it written, in rotation faq, to enter dance at 1 Mark/DN ?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lilac stag
but it sims more
You can’t really sim TFD. Dslice also a little cooked for sub
earnest crane
oh
lilac stag
most tanks are incredibly skilled at pulling one single mob at 20% into next pull
minor osprey
but it sims more
i got around 10-12 tfd per dungeon
and i played aroud it
waited in stealth untill it was finished
coarse hound
@hazy breach Quick question
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sbfCfvRenb3FLnesmdMpJX
This setup gives my 700 haste exactly
I am not however consistently getting a second sectech in blades window. I M+ pretty much only. Is this acceptable
lilac stag
You’re getting 10 restealths with TFD in a 20 min run? 
hollow spear
<@212854714197344256> Quick question
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sbfC...
You have puzzle box...
!stats
wicked joltBOT
shadow lance
<@212854714197344256> Quick question
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sbfC...
Without guidon, you can't with your 700 haste
earnest crane
You’re getting 10 restealths with TFD in a 20 min run? <:suskaygeagreegebusiness...
he play NIght elf for sure
coarse hound
You have puzzle box...
Right I understand that
I M+ almost exclusively
just confirming my thoughts
lilac stag
he play NIght elf for sure
and at higher keys meld is a better defensive
earnest crane
and at higher keys meld is a better defensive
yeap
lilac stag
just run finality and blast
earnest crane
and at higher keys meld is a better defensive
if u can join one
lilac stag
if u can join one
My 269 warrior got an invite to a 11 faster than my 289 rogue 
earnest crane
i already done 4 20s and no one getting me
and mostly i see they got and outlaw 😄
thats pain
minor osprey
You’re getting 10 restealths with TFD in a 20 min run? <:suskaygeagreegebusiness...
MT 12 TFD
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YwXVrZ3kdc72aKR8?fight=23&type=auras&ability=470678
MC 10 TFD
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wQXhzVC7x6HLvPZm?fight=3&type=auras&ability=470678
NXP only got 6 TFD
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JZGr3BthgM82Q47m?fight=15&type=auras&ability=470678
SEAT 12 TFD
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VLM9jK7dtWRYgBNr?fight=29&type=auras&ability=470678
SR 8 TFD
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FcLbRThQVkragqXC?fight=6&type=auras&ability=470678
but i did play around it
(afk first 2-3s of pull)
earnest crane
(afk first 2-3s of pull)
no just remove the talent and take finallity insta
hollow spear
It's probably inconsequential
hollow spear
Legendary boots (sandals) would be more thematic
lilac stag
yes. There are some dungeons it’s easier. You’re saying 10-12 yet 2 are 6-8. TFD is fine. Is it worth playing around? Likely not in a pug. If you’re coordinated enough is the real question. Personally just blast with finality and don’t worry about stealth at all. Whatever you enjoy more is the most important part.
it’s way more trouble than it’s worth in weekly keys
minor osprey
in weekly keys ofc
i haven't gotten WS invites where i feel like it would have been best but it is what it is
tepid trellis
My 269 warrior got an invite to a 11 faster than my 289 rogue <:dead:93288839631...
cuz you aint 290 slacker
smh
lilac stag
cuz you aint 290 slacker
Neck holding me back. Maybe we get kill this week.
Then I get moved to DK
hollow spear
I missed our alleria kill, so my vault is forever cursed
earnest crane
just craft one man 😄
lilac stag
heroic neck, two crafted. 289.75
earnest crane
ply the right talent so u dont need 1100 haste 😄
vale pine
heroic neck, two crafted. 289.75 <:dead:932888396316155934>
289,75 is not 290
tribal blade
I missed our alleria kill, so my vault is forever cursed <:dead:9328883963161559...
if you kill belo does it not unlock alleria loot?
lilac stag
ply the right talent so u dont need 1100 haste 😄
You mean the right class.
tribal blade
or does it not because it's technically a different raid
hollow spear
Good question, no idea. My gut tells me it doesn't unlock Alleria.
earnest crane
You mean the right class.
if u play a wrong class atleast play a right talent 😄
vale pine
if you kill belo does it not unlock alleria loot?
hard to test, most people who do bel already killed the windrunner
hollow spear
It's 0.7% damage I'm missing from the proc 
tribal blade
hard to test, most people who do bel already killed the windrunner
yeah very hard to test
lilac stag
if u play a wrong class atleast play a right talent 😄
As 
I’m at 684 haste with neck. So kindly fuck off over the .25 ilvl
tribal blade
It's 0.7% damage I'm missing from the proc <:dracthyr_cry:1002454117349859328>
i did look, it seems like the alleria neck does significantly more overall dmg on 289 compared to 276
hazy lichen
any tips for crown on sub
hollow spear
As <:coupdegrace:1278274362180632586> I’m at 684 haste with neck. So kindly fuck...
No invites then
tepid trellis
<:kekdog:907207037757296710> Neck holding me back. Maybe we get kill this week.
this or bust sorry
no invnite
invite*
tribal blade
any tips for crown on sub
it's not a dps check fight anymore so do the mechs well
lilac stag
No invites then
perfect.
hollow spear
Pfff
tribal blade
don't be afraid to drop uptime to make sure you're not getting puddle stacks in P1
hollow spear
i did look, it seems like the alleria neck does significantly more overall dmg o...
Yeah and lingering buffs it further
tribal blade
and hitting clones in P2
tribal blade
Yeah and lingering buffs it further
does yeha
earnest crane
As <:coupdegrace:1278274362180632586> I’m at 684 haste with neck. So kindly fuck...
Gear up guide 😄
wheat edge
this or bust sorry
that is kinda nooby!
shadow lance
Gear up guide 😄
No MM mh?
earnest crane
no i can change one socket for 700 flat haste 😄
lilac stag
see above message
tepid trellis
that is kinda nooby!
not having 2x embels on = DQ
hazy lichen
are we gonna be using deathstalker on lura
lilac stag
Where we’re going we don’t need embellishments
vale pine
yes, if you have the haste
wheat edge
I was about to go use a voidcore on a 2nd dagger to make it like 291.20 but cba 
tribal blade
are we gonna be using deathstalker on lura
you can it does really good boss dmg
trickster is also good on lura too
i suspect you can use either and be totally fine
shadow lance
are we gonna be using deathstalker on lura
That's what I decided to do last week
hazy lichen
alr cool so i can stick with trickster then?
cause not really sure how im gonna achieve 1100 haste
lilac stag
Your dps loss
tribal blade
alr cool so i can stick with trickster then?
if you want to sure, people were killing lura prenerf with weaker trickster sub
so it's more than capable
shadow lance
I think playing DS with Trickster gear is only 1,5% dps loss
But hero talent deals 6 more
hazy lichen
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
shadow lance
So you'll be at 4,5 % play ds with Trickster build
lilac stag
The play is to have everyone swap to DS so they buff trickster
hazy lichen
do you need eye of midnight + alleria neck for the 1100 haste
shadow lance
No
lilac stag
no but they help
tribal blade
it's pretty hard to get enough haste w/o alleria neck
hazy lichen
I think playing DS with Trickster gear is only 1,5% dps loss
oh ok so i should still use deathstalker even if i dont have the perfect haste
shadow lance
Sim yourself but you can, yes
lilac stag
they buffed DS when it didn’t need it. sT should be ahead even with less than perfect haste
shadow lance
it's pretty hard to get enough haste w/o alleria neck
- Haste flask
hazy lichen
+ Haste flask
how much does the flask give
tribal blade
+ Haste flask
is that lura ring?
shadow lance
is that lura ring?
Yes :3
shadow lance
how much does the flask give
152 r1 165 r2
upbeat cradle
how much does the flask give
165 at max rank
wheat edge
@tribal blade have u invested in the dps shoulder enchant yet?
upbeat cradle
Engineer items are really good for it, boots gives 121 and bracers 90 iirc
tribal blade
Got it from the M+ weekly event
nice!
wheat edge
big dps!!
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> have u invested in the dps shoulder enchant yet?
is this another bugged thing?
wheat edge
I was collecting transmog yesterday and found it on a legacy pvp item vendor in stormwind
tribal blade
damn nice
wheat edge
after prog I am deffo swapping for that big 3 agi
tribal blade
can't wait for key pushers to randomly get banned for using enchants that aren't meant to be used at this lvl
and then act surprised it happened
(it won't happen)
wheat edge
TBC sharpening stones
tribal blade
lol yeah that too
they don't action against people doing CE
it's usually only ever the RWF or title pushers
upbeat cradle
do you need eye of midnight + alleria neck for the 1100 haste
I just replace boots and bracers with engineering ones qnd use haste flask to get 1100 haste whenever I wanna try DS, boots+bracer+flask is like 360 haste
wheat edge
maybe I have to go see if u can still get these in retail 
upbeat cradle
TBC sharpening stones <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Did that get nerfed?
wheat edge
Did that get nerfed?
nope
upbeat cradle
I have 16 haste i can get rid of so i think I can finally try using these
wheat edge
Wait does this actually work
red flame
I saw somebody at the start of the xpac w tiger claw/fang
red flame
That’s wild LMAO
vale pine
3 agi haha
fossil forge
3agi+3stamina+sharpness7
hazy breach
Theres a cataclysm rep one thats 3 agi 1 mastery as well
But like, youre giving up so much leech/avoidance that it probably aint worth it most of the time, but you do you
wheat edge
But like, youre giving up so much leech/avoidance that it probably aint worth it...
the real dps shoulder enchant is speed 
I guess u could also grind tbc rep
drifting ether
Bruh
earnest crane
i found a bug in game switch to outlaw for insta invite 😄
minor osprey
i found a bug in game switch to outlaw for insta invite 😄
might try it
do i still need to play outlaw after i get invited?
earnest crane
they won't notice the differenec
if u Q for +3700 they check raider io for top rogue spec 😄
to do an 18
keen dome
But like, youre giving up so much leech/avoidance that it probably aint worth it...
or speed. don't forget speed. the most important stat
void ocean
limpid jacinth
is there an explanation for why we need to get 1100 haste for the DS build?
drifting ether
Ya its gonna take awhile but 1 more boss to go
upbeat cradle
is there an explanation for why we need to get 1100 haste for the DS build?
you don't have the sectec CDR from trickster
hazy breach
And you can often get 2 dn per dance
upbeat cradle
not sure if you still send 2 sectec during blades or if you wait to send the second sectec supercharged with a dance after blades ?
hazy breach
After
hazy breach
But your next dance should be almost immediately after blades ends anyway
latent remnant
in lura p1 i felt like sending in blades made it line up a bit nicer with the adds spawning
upbeat cradle
yeah third dance often is
i'm treating every fights except chimaerus dragons and paladins as single targets fights anyways
olive canyon
has anyone tried the cloud cover build for bel eggs? is it worth
fossil forge
i found a bug in game switch to outlaw for insta invite 😄
This surprisingly works
We were debating this yesterday
Queue is flooded with phys comps
And its easier to play cuz of smaller pulls
golden totem
Whats the reason its so important to dance low cp as DS doen't make sense to me rn
upbeat cradle
you get rid of premed bug and ensure apexed DN evi
jolly sleet
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like 
WoWhead or 
Icy Veins.
tribal blade
I think I’d rather repeatedly headbutt a brick wall
it's pretty normal on an end boss with a hard P1
my guild started lura today too and this was ours
red flame
Damn
Furthest I’ve ever made it during a “current tier” is like halfway thru hc/mythic
Depending when the xpac was
hazy breach
I think tindral tops that stat
tribal blade
you can do it!
hazy breach
We managed 77 wipes during out 3 hour raidtime on our first night of tindral
red flame
Halfway thru SOO HC/Myth & halfway through NP + LOU
tribal blade
lol yeah tindral was 20 second wipe factory
red flame
Didn’t really mythic raid any other xpacs
hazy breach
And since you spawn on the platform, we had a instant release weakaura
tribal blade
lol that actually shaves off valuable seconds
to get more wipes in
huge
i actually got taken off flying orb duty because i was doing a lot of boss dmg
which was pretty neat
vale pine
And since you spawn on the platform, we had a instant release weakaura <:garf_si...
haha, just to wait for the 2 guys to come back from the toilet after 2 mins every whipe
icy pond
Deathstalker take a 30% dommage Wenesday right ? We will stay in trickster for raid or must be pass in deathstalker ?
tribal blade
Deathstalker take a 30% dommage Wenesday right ? We will stay in trickster for r...
DS is getting a small bump in dmg
and i suspect people will still stay trickster
i don't think you're gonna see a mass migration over to DS, but who knows
judging from history it tends to not happen
icy pond
ok ok i tk too, if for know if i prepar a stuff with 1100 haste for ^^
tribal blade
it's still worth to prepare 1100 haste for DS
earnest crane
This surprisingly works
i still dont play that i really dont enjoy this outlaw
tribal blade
ok ok i tk too, if for know if i prepar a stuff with 1100 haste for ^^
if you're still progging the raid it could be worth having DS set up
i kinda don't want to swap, but i've prepped my gear and i'm gonna practice on the dummies just in case
radiant swift
is mastery that good in aoe that even being heavyy into dr is stil worth it?
drifting ether
my guild started lura today too and this was ours
We twinning 😂
radiant swift
1322 with just flask and it still wants potion of recklesness
hazy breach
judging from history it tends to not happen
Mfers spending hours grinding for a cloak thats a 0.3% dps upgrade but wont swap to deathstalker for a 5% dps upgrade
tribal blade
We twinning 😂
WE ARE that's what i thought when i saw your screenshot lol
tribal blade
Mfers spending hours grinding for a cloak thats a 0.3% dps upgrade but wont swap...
HAHA TRUEEEE
vale pine
i don't think you're gonna see a mass migration over to DS, but who knows
maybe a slow shift, don't think most people will switch tho
the new raid seems like its aoe heavy
tribal blade
maybe a slow shift, don't think most people will switch tho
i think so too yeah
vale pine
and most of the current content is tuned low enough to cba switching
upbeat cradle
oh yeah tindral was nuts
I keep hearing about Tindral and I've never done that fight, was it DF ?
vale pine
we are just far enough into a patch, for the extra % dps to not matter as much
tribal blade
I keep hearing about Tindral and I've never done that fight, was it DF ?
yeah, very hard boss
before heavy nerfs it was an insane fight
still post nerfs was hard
drifting ether
In terms of parsing you’ll probably only play it on crown if you do play ds
upbeat cradle
what about Vorasius tho
tribal blade
that fight had everything in it
sub was really good on it because you could blow up the shields after flying between platforms
and BP spam to break roots
drifting ether
what about Vorasius tho
With current ilvl you’ll most likely kill the boss with the adds on top
tribal blade
took a lot of coordination too
on my guild's kill i snagged a last seed before the raid blew up
i think they were seeds
if i hadn't gotten that we woulda wiped
tribal blade
I keep hearing about Tindral and I've never done that fight, was it DF ?
hell on earth fight
sly shore
tindral was the craziest fight I ever done pre-nerf
and then I did p1 ansurek before any nerfs
tribal blade
tribal blade
tindral was the craziest fight I ever done pre-nerf
yeah getting the seeds prenerf
was fucking insanity
tribal blade
that was tough af
yeah my guild JUST got to the seeds
before the nerf
and we were like "jesus christ this shit is impossible"
tribal blade
yeah i don' think you can understand the gravity of it just watching
hazy breach
yeah getting the seeds prenerf
Also youre talking about the nerf a few weeks in where you could double soak right? Not the nerf that gave you 2 additional seconds that happened like a week after rwf
uneven skiff
Eh, I knew I wanted no part of it. 😂
tribal blade
Also youre talking about the nerf a few weeks in where you could double soak rig...
yeah the nerf where you could soak more than 1 seed
sly shore
yeah I'm talking about before the 2 additional seconds
tribal blade
(i'm in a shitter guild haha)
sly shore
tribal blade
LOL
sly shore
literally the very first nerf
tribal blade
ahhhh ok
upbeat cradle
With current ilvl you’ll most likely kill the boss with the adds on top
ngl on vorasius i just treat the boss like a training dummy and if an add targets me i just vanish
tribal blade
niiiiice
fossil forge
was our first prog night too
tribal blade
you guys got more pulls in
fossil forge
light 30bands for repairs
tribal blade
i think we must have progged the addons boss more than you guys haha
fossil forge
fossil forge
bro the fucking repairs
thank god we are leather bro
tribal blade
tribal blade
we set up the addons after we killed beloren
we did too, but some people had issues
fossil forge
warriors be repairing for 50k each raid
fossil forge
our prog will slow down with everyone going on vacation
hopefully we kill it before
tribal blade
i also got flamed by my guild for saying havoc is good on lura
which confused me
but w/e
tribal blade
hehe yeah prob the move
fossil forge
it is not misinformation
people just forgot purple class has 2 more options to play
tribal blade
people just forgot purple class has 2 more options to play
YUP
fossil forge
they can legit do everything though
havoc so broken i might have to whip out skibisigmq out the bench
but blud is still lvl 80
fossil forge
i never finish lvling
tribal blade
yeah a lot of people hate lvling in wow
void ocean
now i understand why vanilla lvling might feel too long but what we have nowadays is bs, lvling should take at least 2-3 weeks
vagrant sinew
quite a take
tribal blade
i hate to be that guy, but leveling during vanilla was magical
entire game was magical then
void ocean
i played vanlla last winter for the first time in my life (i originally started playing from tbc) and i had the experience i tho i will never ever feel playing wow
the way you get familiar with zones, with quest stories...
void ocean
sure not every quest line is epic but sure at least once per zone u get some quest chain where u just wanna know what happens next
void ocean
i did try plaaying it like it was 2005. i didnt use almost any addon
surely not quest helper, wa and other stuff
tribal blade
i used 1 addon back then haha
void ocean
i literally read quest txt and try to figure out where to go
tribal blade
it was an addon to show energy ticks
void ocean
like north west, mentiones cave, has to be this way
tribal blade
i literally read quest txt and try to figure out where to go
oh nobody even did that in 2005 lol
we used thotbot
tribal blade
i honestly can't imagine leveling w/o that
void ocean
and then travelling to location, on foot till lvl 40 then slow ass mount
granite hinge
With ds buffs next reset assuming to not play for padding, in bosses like last 3 of the tier Is te go to?
void ocean
now u just mount up, see where marker points and SWOOOOSH u r there
void ocean
u dont give a shit how zone looks like, what music is playing just kill whatever quest pointer shows
tribal blade
u dont give a shit how zone looks like, what music is playing just kill whatever...
true
void ocean
the only thing ppl care now is that number 0/4, 0/10 w/e
oh its 10/10 now gg quest done mount up go
i mean im not an idiot i know that game is now more inclined towards the end game content, back then end game content was kinda shite a bit
fossil forge
ok boomers but can we discuss how bonusrolling has killed boosting
void ocean
but still just killing lvling entirely isnt a solution
fossil forge
tribal blade
end game content back then had crazy barrier to entry
void ocean
go to your corner
void ocean
go to your corner
u read this in Doragosa voice, i hope
somber sun
fossil forge
yes i did
i was just locked in algetar for 4 hours
i timed it though
🕴️
resil key asylum
void ocean
end game content back then had crazy barrier to entry
ye but u had only like pvp and raids
and some dungeons i guess if u rly didnt have any gear
lilac stag
ok boomers but can we discuss how bonusrolling has killed boosting
Good
sell mounts. carry io. be real
tribal blade
ye but u had only like pvp and raids
yeah but to even be able to step into the raids
you had to do so much shit
fossil forge
i enjoy boosting raid however i do not enjoy boosting m+
fossil forge
i was spamming 10-12s early season for gold
lilac stag
I can actually gear and alt up quickly and have fun. idgaf about boosting issues
fossil forge
the worst part is advertising
no advertiser cut best 
void ocean
how exaclty did bonus roll kill boosting?
fossil forge
no clients
hollow spear
what changed for them
void ocean
i fail to see the connection
hollow spear
heroic gear devalued or what
fossil forge
joes just get dungeon items
void ocean
but u could do it before as well
hollow spear
these DN eviscerates are so juicy
fossil forge
deeznuts
hollow spear
indeed
fossil forge
but u could do it before as well
everyone just bonusrolled everywhere and everyone is 290
no point in buying a boost on a fresh alt
when u spawn with 12 bonus rolls
void ocean
ye but u still need to finish the key
tribal blade
yeah having full mythic pieces is no longer hard to do
fossil forge
i mean
tribal blade
and weekly vault is no longer as valuable
fossil forge
10s are like
void ocean
like the amount of keys is not so different comparing to previous seasons, innit
fossil forge
so easy rn
void ocean
and weekly vault is no longer as valuable
that i do understand
tribal blade
but with bonus rolling you can legit just bonus roll your way to full 289 gear
tribal blade
and combine that with crafted gear
fossil forge
u can go 10
tribal blade
you have to finish the dungeon to roll
you do yeah
hollow spear
so technically you still want the boost
tribal blade
but the market is smaller now because you can finish off a toon way faster i suspect
somber sun
still time dungeon
I heard uhdk can solo it
tribal blade
before it was a long process for people to gear their toons
from boosting
now it's very fast
fossil forge
and weekly vault is no longer as valuable
i beg to differ i live for wednesday vault opening.
hollow spear
cursed
tribal blade
i beg to differ i live for wednesday vault opening.
haha nice
i think i've done 1 key this week
i'm not getting 8
hollow spear
😮
fossil forge
im playing 2 chars so 12 keys a week is ok
hollow spear
what have you been doing?
tribal blade
what have you been doing?
chilling 😉
fossil forge
what do u need g
tribal blade
enjoying key retirement
fossil forge
im hunting for the alleria neck still
tribal blade
yeah that's the only thing i truly need
fossil forge
or vorasius ring for outlaw
tribal blade
alleria neck
hollow spear
I'll probably do first 3 + Chim
to at least have 2 vault slots
my first 3 this week disintegrated after a less than clean Vorasius kill
latent remnant
resi 17 obtained
I feel like i've been really lucky pugging keys I haven't really had the issue of applying for more than 10 minutes to get into anything
latent remnant
its only gotten easier the higher i've gone so far funnily enough
fossil forge
left the queue simulator with the spec change
latent remnant
i think this key was first time I've had an aug in a while and only now I saw what they really do to everyones damage
vagrant sinew
yeah it gets alot worse at 19-20
I was only missing AA and couldnt get into a 19
keys just explode alot more often but theres also alot of people with 19 resil
tepid trellis
I was only missing AA and couldnt get into a 19
skill issue
latent remnant
I'll see how that goes when I get there, I've done 2 19s so far so I know at least in general the keys themselves shouldn't be a problem
vagrant sinew
yeah theyre not, most 19s are pretty chill but the party finder isnt
lilac stag
@tribal blade seat farming later. No longer pit enjoyer. 
vale pine
resi 17 obtained <:garf:1320173032743899157>
congrats
fossil forge
<@146180393941336064> seat farming later. No longer pit enjoyer. <:HOLY:12508934...
pit prison
slate fable
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
slim stag
Does anybody have any tips for me on dragons on mythic I have it pulled the boss yet I might be
vale pine
the fight is straight forward, so don't think there is that much to say about it
slim stag
Okay I was just making sure there wasn't any big changes from heroic to mythic
vale pine
the intermission is diffrent, but how its played depends on your guilds strategy and your RL probably already shared one
the orbs usually survive longer than on heroic, so you can pad a bit easier
somber sun
Does anybody have any tips for me on dragons on mythic I have it pulled the boss...
pay attention to second intermission
only way you can wipe there
red vortex
Hold sectec for adds
somber sun
try to pre spread if you can
red vortex
U can align them pretty good
vale pine
don't rly need to hold much, it aligns quite well naturally
red vortex
If u hold a lil for first add set
vale pine
try to pre spread if you can
feint is your friend too ^^
red vortex
It aligns really nice
somber sun
feint is your friend too ^^
yeah worked super well
old lynx
Cant they make sunder armor an easy raid buff for rogues if tuned right? or nah
expose weakness**
hazy breach
Ofc they could
old lynx
"oh shit we need to bring rogues for 3% armor reduction"
hazy breach
But monks already do that
random mason
Okay I was just making sure there wasn't any big changes from heroic to mythic
You can perma cleave them so its BP the whole fight apart from intermission
latent remnant
I think only if you're assigned a gloom soak you might be out of bp cleave range right?
shadow lance
I think only if you're assigned a gloom soak you might be out of bp cleave range...
Step in, step out. It's like a gcd
latent remnant
oh yeah also when you do do gloom soaks you do a small aoe around you so don't stack with people while doing those
alpine wraith
you can soak quite close as long as each one is on one side of the ball
sick epoch
Starting mythic lura tomorrow, any tip? Besides from good luck
upbeat cradle
Don't die
slim stag
Thank for the tips I'm still a little new to sub rouge I just start playing it this season
latent remnant
Thank for the tips I'm still a little new to sub rouge I just start playing it t...
hey same, keep it up
vale pine
"oh shit we need to bring rogues for 3% armor reduction"
monk's physical damage increase was initially designed for rogue
the reason rogue lost it to monk was that at the time these buffs got created
rogue seemed like a critical part of raid groups as it could simplify encounter mechanics with their utility spells
if we label it as a problem
then the problem is, that this wasn't re-evaluated
becuase rogue is for surely not the spec you think about atm when talking about simplifying a encounter
neither would you pack more than one in a raid group too
latent remnant
give us a melee hunters mark
vale pine
it was also very visible in the rwf
the world first race is seemingly the only competition which can create enough waves to cause a change
because rogue, for a long time now relied on tuning to be considered
which in many tiers wasn't good
luckily, we had top guilds often still bringing it
vale pine
give us a melee hunters mark <:garf:1320173032743899157>
is a common suggestion
well not exactly giving hunters mark
but hunter raid buff was initially very meh
latent remnant
Is first thing that springs to mind because in utility with cloak I do basically the same thing as our hunters in raid
vale pine
and blizz decided to "update" it to be now one of the strongest
latent remnant
is it the only raidbuff that can "stack" (like having 3 hunters on vanguard)?
vale pine
cloak is a 2 min cooldown
meanwhile DK runs around with a similar effect on a 45? sec cooldown
also does not require consistent boss uptime
void ocean
and protect 2 other ppl
vale pine
my point is
the initial reason why rogue did lose the physical damage buff is gone entirely
void ocean
imagine cloaking 3/5 ppl in a key
vale pine
rogue is not allowed to cheese as much as it used to be
and encounter design shifted
its basically just very difficult
to keep track of all moving parts
we luckily or sadly don't have one central ressource to compare classes/specs in all apects of the game on a somewhat even base
but most things are still sensitive to tuning
how good your survival is, only matters, if survival is a problem
how good your cleave/AoE damage is, only matters if you have cleave or aoe
how good your burst is, only matters if encounters benefit from burst damage
but this is why having as many niches as possible is benefitial, because having niches is a
"win more" cheat code
it is why i argue that the midnight changes are a net negative for subtlety, as some of our niches got cut or removed
void ocean
well especially since it came after tww s3 which is imho one of the best for sub, or rogue in general
vale pine
which means we traded off quite a bit for mostly a simplification of the rotation and haste breakpoints
we love haste breakpoints
and having no benefits from certain haste effects like bloodlust
(/s if thats not obvious)
runic sinew
we love haste breakpoints
vale pine
tho, we now move into a interessting space
the buffs over time moved us up in the statistic
light hull
I am progressing in L'Ura as sub rogue in MM, should I switch to Deathstalker on reset right? As there's only adds in first phase...
vale pine
and high ranks in the statistic makes it hard to argue around (design) changes
if you can reach roughly 1100 haste
worth switching
dense geode
I am progressing in L'Ura as sub rogue in MM, should I switch to Deathstalker on...
you could but it doesnt matter either way youll kill the boss
vale pine
if you can't, stay trickster
vale pine
you can:
- Switch to haste flask.
- Recraft gear if you don't have haste.
- Craft Engineering gear, as it allows you to have one stat only.
- Switch gems.
don't! switch ring enchants tho.
light hull
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kPjA3SSZZ9AB8t9FaxBcgw I have really good rings, not thinking about to switch them
vale pine
also, if you can only reach like 1080 haste, thats fine too just a bit tighter
i probably will stay on trickster tho
don't have a lot of haste gear
the 12.0.7 raid is also quite aoe heavy
sooo
light hull
thank you so much for your feedback
pulsar hemlock
!apex
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
fiery fog
and high ranks in the statistic makes it hard to argue around (design) changes
is it hard to argue if they just keep pumping % buffs into the spec
warm marlin
imagine cloaking 3/5 ppl in a key
nah that talent is dogwater
fallow nimbus
I wonder what's the plan for future patches
amber berry
So much to read can i ask quick, are we swapping to deathstalker or?
fallow nimbus
If you can reach 1100 haste and want to go full st then you can
amber berry
rip
1.1k haste is roughly how much haste %? since night elf racial triggers at night
ripe flame
You need the 1100 number not %
amber berry
huh why
fallow nimbus
Sub haste is always number
Because not all % haste stuff works for the things we want
ripe flame
Iirc deepening shadows only works on the rating number not the percentage
ripe flame
Yep
void ocean
nah that talent is dogwater
how so
amber berry
hm
ripe flame
You can just play trickster and its fine
warm marlin
how so
doesnt immune it, only reduces duration by 50%. the shield was nerfed so that it is so small it will break to any incidental damage. and last I checked, it can go on random pets instead of players
small sleet
If you weren’t playing ds before there’s not really a reason to switch to it now
warm marlin
like my ams is 350k or something and the one that goes on allies from the talent is like 10k
grim wasp
If you weren’t playing ds before there’s not really a reason to switch to it now
Good to know this
sick epoch
You can just play trickster and its fine
Well if it's a 6% increase in st we should learn to play it at least on mythic raiding
swift tinsel
make it 10% and I'll consider meaningfully investing time in learning it lol
(jk I will not do that)
sick epoch
Then I'm not sure, is it that uncomfortsble to play deathstalker?
small sleet
no, its honestly pretty fun to play
sick epoch
So?
warm marlin
1100 haste is hard to get and ds is bad outside of pure st
and people still have trauma from the mark
I would play it on vora, fk, alleria, belo, lura prob if i had the haste
and if i was on rogue
swift tinsel
I spent 30-45mins with it the other day and I just don't really enjoy playing with/around mark personally
swift tinsel
rip
warm marlin
when it was 3% ahead in the past, but it was a fight where parry was a reasonable concern
it still wasnt a ds angle
swift tinsel
its cool that it gives people some variety since it plays a bit differently than trickster, but just not for me
fresh lantern
How are we feeling about the Deathstalker buff tomorrow?
keen dome
it's a buff, but it's still deathstalker
small sleet
How are we feeling about the Deathstalker buff tomorrow?
deathstalker was already ahead in st, it will be a little more ahead
warm marlin
swift tinsel
not necessarily for rogue but in general lol unless it has a real come to Jesus moment I'm not playing it
fresh lantern
Is Rogue cleave just ass this season? I'm doing great on ST and AoE heavy fights, but I seem to struggle a bit with cleave fights.
sick epoch
Sub has 0, shitlaw and assa are okaysh
fleet acorn
!AA
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
fleet acorn
would u only do it in lust or without lust too?
small sleet
lust is irrelevant to how we play
hazy breach
You want to use sectech on cd
Or rather, you dont want to delay it to make sure you dont have AA
fleet acorn
yea but on 2nd dance in blades do i try to AA + ST or without
hazy breach
Well you cant delay it, because then its outside of blades
So you just have to send it
!blades
wicked joltBOT
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
lilac stag
probs more than anything
lean summit
!stats
wicked joltBOT
lilac stag
Sub has 0, shitlaw and assa are okaysh
They’re shit too.
we all suck at cleave
Amazing
sullen hare
Is Rogue cleave just ass this season? I'm doing great on ST and AoE heavy fights...
they deliberately took it away in prepatch 
fresh lantern
they deliberately took it away in prepatch <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
Was there a reason for that?
fresh lantern
Do you think everyone still holds a grudge from Stranglethorn Vale ganks back in Vanilla? They seem to either not care or have it out for us.
lilac stag
AI only holds a grudge if you tell it to
meager nymph
They took it away to make Dev DH's look more appealing
fresh lantern
The busted DPS in Mythic+ wasn't enough I guess
lethal gale
keeping the sub dream alive. ~210K in an 18 MC
humble rover
how much stats does engi boots give on 285?
sterile mango
Do you think everyone still holds a grudge from Stranglethorn Vale ganks back in...
I think they literally let one guy balance Rogue for a decade. And then that person left.
upbeat cradle
how much stats does engi boots give on 285?
121 or something
sick epoch
They’re shit too. <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
If you compare with other classes yes, but there's a huge difference between sub----- outlaw and assa melewise
sick epoch
Yeah, but sub is much worse than assa and outlaw
lilac stag
why do you think rogue, despite having an extremely useful raid buff for paladins. Sits all the time. Cleave is Shit.
graceful portal
For paladins we go for a m+ build right ? (don't tell me to respec i'm begging)
brisk raptor
Can I trust my single target sim if it tells me to use pot of reck over lights potential? Shows a 500 dps gain for pot of reck
lilac stag
I’ll have whatever you’re having if you think any of the 3 specs have ok cleave.
sick epoch
I’ll have whatever you’re having if you think any of the 3 specs have ok cleave....
Again, I said that comparing with other classes, rogue cleave sucks
BUT, inside of rogues, the worse by a lot is sub 🙂
lilac stag
it’s not when all three are bottom the difference between the three is insignificant
sick epoch
Not insignificant at all between these 3 tbh
lilac stag
✌️
lilac stag
For paladins we go for a m+ build right ? (don't tell me to respec i'm begging)
Take potent powder instead of 2x finality
sly shore
@shy ermine nice way to wipe the raid there boss
lilac stag
Then asked to be benched
shy ermine
hahaha for fucks sake
graceful portal
Take potent powder instead of 2x finality
Thanks !
sick epoch
Egoed 🌚
graceful portal
Then asked to be benched
i'll do
tall flume
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet
lilac stag
still too much slam
dry zodiac
the dk is 245 or something. that's like his 5th alt
lilac stag
cds
He could have done more dmg with one button.
arms and ST dmg in keys with no shaman.
what was the rets excuse?
or are they not responsible for that one
dry zodiac
yeah i dunno that guy, just a random i think
brave raptor
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
chrome palm
I just want to say sub should get a dedicated wowhead complaining article like arcane
vale pine
is it hard to argue if they just keep pumping % buffs into the spec
i think it works
inherently, making the number go up is a good way to remove concerns
e.g. season 1 DF
subtlety did worse on single target, worse on cleave
but good in AoE
so when asked, what would you like from the spec
the answer was
well, it currently is worse than assassiantion, so you wouldn't play it in single target
and it is worse in m+ than outlaw which pointed with strong cleave
chrome palm
If we had this tuning earlier in the season fuu I think it changes nothing for rogue performance this tier in raid
vale pine
so, a good idea would be to have a more level playing field
however
what happened was not a buff
rather a nerf to the other specs
so suddenly, numbers went up
my point is, the balance enviroment is in change all the time
and so, you can have a legitimate concern
but due to nerfs/buffs, it does matter less out of the sudden
how strong your argument is, depends on how well your spec performs
if the #1 dps spec in the game complains, you rather say they are entitled
replace it with the worse spec, people start to listen
vale pine
If we had this tuning earlier in the season fuu I think it changes nothing for r...
Tuning does not fix the worse fights, but you had more incentive to bring a rogue on specific fights
see i had a heated argument with some of the assassiantion folks a while back
how raid design can be bad for melee dps
chrome palm
Part of the problem for rogue is that dk is a required melee spot where on the important fights you wanted minimum 2 of them
vale pine
the point was dismissed entirely
chrome palm
And dk also outperforms rogues damage in every situation
vale pine
because "modern raid design is never rly bad for melee dps, you are only talking about things that happened years ago"
and no matzer what i argued, this was a very persistent stance
now
radiant swift
since belo is killed in 2 egg how does logs handle both egg dmges? does it count both in phase two?
vale pine
this tier suddenly people think there is a possibility for bad melee design
chrome palm
since belo is killed in 2 egg how does logs handle both egg dmges? does it count...
Phase 2 is always the egg yes
radiant swift
Phase 2 is always the egg yes
does it count both in one? average over both?
lucid jackal
Melee has been op in raid for a long time. Usually melee will be exempt from most mechanics, and also do more damage than a majority of ranged
This is the first tier in awhile where melee is kinda shit
vale pine
yes
lucid jackal
Broadly speaking
chrome palm
Undermine was not long ago
vale pine
but this is the point
lucid jackal
Like melee gets every mechanic on alleria. In most other raid tiers, melee wouldn't get the orb drop mechanic at all
Most tiers the paladin boss wouldn't cast divine storm the entire fight causing melee to take more damage
Ther also wouldn't be a soak mechanic that needs to be spread out, mostly out of melee range of the boss
vale pine
well yes
again thats the point
the possibility of what you mention was entirely dismissed
but if thats the case
warm marlin
isnt being exempt from mechanics often a bad thing
vale pine
how could it be relevant again this tier
lucid jackal
Depends on the fight
I mean specifically mechanics that require you to run out, usually melee can't get
Like the debuff in oab
Melee couldn't get that mechanic
vale pine
The scope of melee vs. ranged is in general bigger
the problem space is, ranged is inhernetly better than melee dps
and it is very hard to make a mechanic thats punishing for ranged, compared to one for melee
this is why boss design often allowed melee to not play mechanics
or lets say, did give ranged dps more jobs
chrome palm
There’s a lot of ways you could make fights favor ranged less
The issue is also that melee dps all have horrible damage profiles
For this tier, you have fmage and mm doing insane cleave that melee cannot do
lucid jackal
Generally the way you make ranged less favor is you make melee not get mechanics, and also make it overtuned. Which has been the case for more than 6 years
vale pine
There’s a lot of ways you could make fights favor ranged less
absolutely
lucid jackal
One bad melee tier isn't the end of the world
If it becomes a pattern it's a problem
fossil forge
we are moving up in the pirate world
chrome palm
Well it’s also soul hunters, and all of undermine
There’s no fight where you bring 2 rdps
But now we have fights with 2 or even 1 melee
vale pine
But i don't think its good design
to force melee dps like this
and blizz probably thinks so too
brisk raptor
@vale pine is my sim trustworthy if it shows 500 dps gain using pot of reck instead of lights potential?
sly shore
@shy ermine grats 
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> is my sim trustworthy if it shows 500 dps gain using pot o...
recklessness is better in m+ if you get mastery
brisk raptor
Oh I didn’t mention, I’m running a 5m single target patchwerk where this is the case
vale pine
One bad melee tier isn't the end of the world
i mean, was it a bad melee tier?
brisk raptor
Seemed odd that lights potential wouldn’t sim higher
vale pine
think opinions always differ hugely whats bad/good
sly shore
they are close enough
shy ermine
tyty
lilac stag
i mean, was it a bad melee tier?
Yes. You actively removed as many as possible
shy ermine
8:38 for first lura kill is pretty crazy
vale pine
if we reduce the tier to 1-2 fights, like only the march
would this change?
what about, only laura?
warm marlin
no and yes
well
depends on your time of prog
liquid played 3 melee on belo and 4 on lura
if dk wasn't hard required they would have played 2 melee
lilac stag
we’re 4 melee on crown and no shout. it’s not a good tier for melee
warm marlin
other high ranking guilds played 2-4 melee on lura as well
lilac stag
you can argue UH is basically ranged as well
warm marlin
we’re 4 melee on crown and no shout. it’s not a good tier for melee
i think post tuning a lot of melee are good
fdk is thanos
sub is actually quite strong
havoc is strong
ww
lilac stag
Yea
vale pine
like, spread between melee and ranged
is 60% ranged 40% melee
which isn't that bad for a ranged favored fight
(current stats)
warm marlin
only 40% melee on a fight where most melee are just better now
lucid jackal
Well it’s also soul hunters, and all of undermine
A fight being melee or ranged favored is fine
The issue is when it's an entire tier
lucid jackal
i mean, was it a bad melee tier?
Extremely yes
Paladins, and alleria were being as little melee as you can
Alleria only had melee as a raid buff, and a dk grip
vale pine
but thats only 2 fights
lucid jackal
Beloren was also not great for melee. It was an immunity and burst fight more than anything and then lura was like, fine for melee
You still couldn't stack too many cuz intermission but it was fine
vale pine
ah great
so laura was fine for melee
and the only fight that matters is the last boss of a raid
confirms it to be not a bad melee tier
lucid jackal
No?
vale pine
i am joking
but it was a line of argumentation we had in the past
so it holds a little trueth
warm marlin
I mean really belo and lura were just tuning things
chrome palm
being melee is just obviously a liability in this game
vale pine
like a cental point in balance discussion was often
how certain fights would not matter because they are too easy
warm marlin
melee shouldve been quite strong on lura
vale pine
or too early in the tier
warm marlin
but they took away the melee burst cleave niche from multiple melee specs and gave it to ranged instead
very curious
fury warrior found dead in the street after killing some adds in nerubar
ddh mm do the same and get a slap on the wrist
vale pine
It is a super interesting area
because there is soo much variables, its never one or the other
rain swift
eeh, so what rotation do we do on vanguard mythic? same as dragons with shadowstrike -> blackpowder or whats the strat
vale pine
kinda same as hero ye
glacial basin
can anyone explain the reason of shuricken storming twice in deathstalker dance?
rain swift
ah alright, we just managed to kill mythic dragons after around 80 pulls total over like 2-3 seperate days
hazy breach
can anyone explain the reason of shuricken storming twice in deathstalker dance?
Once, not twice
torn turtle
Melee liability? I’ve had way more issues on caster classes so far
vale pine
its just deisgn spaces
historically, melee dps ended up designed to be better in m+
and ranged dps got designed to be better in raids
both changed to a degree, most noticably, ranged often ends up stronger in mythic+ too
hollow spear
Not sure if that was their design choice tho
bleak night
Ironically the way they tend to try and balance ranged in raid (giving them specific mechanics) ensures you need a certain amount of them even on the worst fights so melee dont start getting those mechanics
vale pine
mythic+ was about pulls, a lot of movement, interrupts and cleave damage
bleak night
vale pine
which is what melees ended up doing better (at the time)
but modern raid and class design is more complex, and things are not seperated anymore
lilac stag
fdk is thanos
So what’s my argument to switch to fdk over sub for belo
void ocean
So what’s my argument to switch to fdk over sub for belo
why would u swap to f tier
grim wasp
hey, subtlety is best always
This is what i like to see when i log 👍
So we staying sub on trickester 🫡 aint got patience for 1100 haste
lilac stag
why would u swap to f tier
Dragons
vale pine
i thought you would say paladins
warm marlin
So what’s my argument to switch to fdk over sub for belo
i think sub still does more damage on the burn but not sure
its a bit shit timer for fdk
and no cloak for orb soak obv
lilac stag
The 45s?
supple pawn
Isn't sub on the same time as FDK lol
warm marlin
sub is a 20/90s spec, fdk/udk are 45/90
a 40s burn is not so favourable to a 45s spec
and ofc u can pool dance charges
- lust making sectec more like 15s
supple pawn
I mean burn is at 2 min no
warm marlin
u hold cds so the start timer doesnt matter
supple pawn
Fair
warm marlin
its just a bit unfortunate for the dks because they dont get a second usage of 45s
warm marlin
1min 
supple pawn
1min <:SUS:1301982820834480260>
I don't even see takedown as a real cooldown I'm ngl
But everyone pushes the narrative that it is
Lwk chat I kinda cooked myself
I brought my hunter into this other group on a whim for Belo but we killed it and now I'm on lura
But thing is my guild wanted my hunter for beloren because of immune soaks
I also can't just give them my dk because my guild will want my DK for L'ura too
lucid jackal
how certain fights would not matter because they are too easy
All of the bosses I mentioned were the hard ones
Paladins and alleria were prog points
Chimerus to dragons was not prog at all for most guilds at the top
vale pine
saladbar is a fun one
supple pawn
i hate trying to parse on that boss
literally either padding or trying to get a good boss damage parse, both troll your group so hard
vale pine
i do think people put too much preasure and importance into parsing
especially this late in a tier
if your guild progresses bosses still
nobody needs to parse high
supple pawn
i just find parsing enjoyable personally
vale pine
people compete with guilds which let their players parse by creating favorable setups
it is a nice game
supple pawn
im also still sort of in the mindset i have to parse well because my main is a survival hunter
and i used to pug
vale pine
like, if you are competitive, parsing is a nice metric to play for
supple pawn
and parses were my ticket to get invited to groups
vale pine
but from my experience, parsing is many times ued in not healthy ways
and this can be fairly destructive or demotivating for your guilds players
and motivation is the main driving factor when you want to clear content
small sleet
Imo parsing should be saved for reclear, and if you can’t parse without doing shit that makes reclearing harder, you should practice your spec more
minor osprey
and motivation is the main driving factor when you want to clear content
parsing on prog (disregarding taktics for dmg) is dumb
supple pawn
back when i started raiding i didn't get to reclear u.u
warm marlin
Imo parsing should be saved for reclear, and if you can’t parse without doing sh...
i think we take a good approach private logging until CE
its quite chill
supple pawn
Oh shit DS is a thing now?
small sleet
this enough for ds sub
dats enough
small sleet
Oh shit DS is a thing now?
ds is better in pure st, by about 5% (6% or so on reset)
sullen hare
Oh shit DS is a thing now?
It's a thing you can do to yourself yes
supple pawn
Tbh
Literally the only reason I preferred deathstalker was cut the witness and darkest night
But they removed cut the witness
😭
sullen hare
Blowing up your secondaries / having a different set of gear just for ST fights seems so foreign to me
small sleet
Blowing up your secondaries / having a different set of gear just for ST fights ...
if it werent for voidcores/uncapped crests i wouldnt
supple pawn
Oh yeah that sounds pain
small sleet
all it took for me was using some myth track pieces i had sitting in my bags, crafting engi boots, and using haste flask
sullen hare
if it werent for voidcores/uncapped crests i wouldnt
Yeah I guess with everything the way it is it's less awful
warm marlin
Blowing up your secondaries / having a different set of gear just for ST fights ...
i had 3 crafted rings i think in lou
or bracers or something
diffy embellishments and stats
small sleet
also not being able to autopilot raid fights makes em a lot more fun, at least until i get better at ds
fallow ingot
Some ppl here are going to play DS on lura ?
alpine wraith
likely
fallow ingot
If NF didnt not proc on adds its tilting lmao
fiery fog
like, if you are competitive, parsing is a nice metric to play for
parses are also the only way for other guilds to get a first impression of you
plush roost
also not being able to autopilot raid fights makes em a lot more fun, at least u...
your class sucks
small sleet
THE HEALER
plush roost
ezz
small sleet
COLLUDED AND CONSPIRED
WITH CHARREND
TO LET ME DIE FIRST BOSS
????
CHARREND WIRE TRANSFERRED 30K USD TO SEE ME FALL
fallow ingot
earnest bolt
TO LET ME DIE FIRST BOSS
shoulda cloaked