subtlety

[tribal blade]

i think this sort of macro becomes kind of dangerous to use if you're playing in any sort of coordinated group

but for pugging should be fine

[chilly dagger]

I still have my normal just focus and skills only

[tribal blade]

was gonna say yeah

if you have the abilities seperate

will be fine

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[chilly dagger]

Jeah i dont want to interrupt a shadow bolt on my focus and miss the important kick on something other 😄

Good morning fuu! Happy saturday

[dusky yacht]

Good morning fuu

[vale pine]

seems like blizz does the special and does tuning changes at horrendouse eu hours ^^

[dusky yacht]

Oh god not again

[peak ice]

cause they like them more

[vale pine]

i mean its just patch notes are always posted at like 2-4 am in the monring for eu

very funny

[tribal blade]

BECAUSE THIS IS A MURICAN GAME AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE MURICA YOU CAN GEEET OUT

[peak ice]

i dont like america

[chilly dagger]

But I guess they dont change anything? everything stays the same? 😄

[tribal blade]

damn that's tough

[peak ice]

ikr

cya

[tribal blade]

i'm only half murican

[dusky yacht]

I mean they buffed deathstalker but I aint playing that man I'm so done switching specs lmao

[bold crescent]

I'm not going to change anything in my setup.. Blizzard seems to have two teams working on the Rogue. One says "buff" this week, and the other takes over next week and says "nerf."

[hallow mortar]

nah you are just getting old 😄

[bold crescent]

I'm not playing their game 😈

[vale pine]

don't think its normal for people to be awake at 2 am

the buffs are straight forward tho

eleem already made a pin, nice

[dusky yacht]

Hasn't worked a non-nightshift-included job in over 10 years

Then again

I am not normal am I fuu

AM I FUU

[zenith flare]

Is there a worse feeling than parsing blue and not dying

[outer orchid]

one craft to do tomorrow

[vale pine]

i don't want to farm more haste

[dusky yacht]

Close but no cigar

[vale pine]

haha

[tribal blade]

a blue parse isn't bad

[peak ice]

just dont

bam solved

[zenith flare]

Blue parse is horrible

[tribal blade]

if you're talking about heroic raid sure

for mythic it's fine

[dusky yacht]

I got PoS legs in vault and now they buff DS so I "should" get windrunner legs like bruhhhhh

[outer orchid]

i'm going to cope and say 1100 is the comfy barrier and it wont make a difference being 6 haste off

[zenith flare]

You can kill the boss ofc but you played badly

[dusky yacht]

Maybe if you repeat it enough.. hmm..

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not stellar

[outer orchid]

i think previously 1050 was the bare min

[tribal blade]

but in my eyes so long as someone is parsing blue on mythic that's acceptable

[peak ice]

yea that doesnt bother me

[hallow mortar]

if we add 1.5% to best ds log on lura, he would be rank 4 so it cant be that bad

[zenith flare]

But whenever you parse blue you know what you coudlve done better

[outer orchid]

if its prog or 1st couple reclears, a kill is a kill tbh

[hallow mortar]

and tricskter do little padding on adds

[tribal blade]

for me the alarm bells go off on green or lower

[vale pine]

i guess i probably bonus roll in pit now

[tribal blade]

oh yeah for sure

[hallow mortar]

i would play DS on luras as we progress boss now, but im doing crystals so idk if i want to add another minigame to it

[peak ice]

the new raid looks like itll make getting 1100 haste easier

with the ring and the neck

[hazy breach]

Neck doesn't have much haste. But ring does ye

[vale pine]

ye, new raid looks interessting

[tribal blade]

we're not rekilling beloren till lura is dead so i'm living with green parse on bird

[peak ice]

oh youre totally right

[tribal blade]

although parse on bird is kinda w/e

[hallow mortar]

damn prophet

[peak ice]

i thought the neck was mast/haste mb

[hallow mortar]

you are such noob

you got R1 on boss which do not count

shame

[tribal blade]

I AM A NOOB

[tribal blade]

lol yeah helps having a raid team that does no dmg

[peak ice]

wat happen at bird

[hallow mortar]

basically your m+ brain showed up, you can parse only on PAD BOSS HAHAHAHA

[tribal blade]

running around immune soaking

[peak ice]

ohh right

yea fair

add that to my parse please

[tribal blade]

and also i wasn't super invested in doing huge dmg

i just relegated myself to doing mechanics well

[hallow mortar]

i was running around doing immune soaking and have R1 log, so it cant be it 😄

[peak ice]

me in lura

[tribal blade]

and thus out of all the wipes i died the least on that boss

[dusky yacht]

Imagine actually going for kills instead of funny ego numbers, what a noob

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[hallow mortar]

egg was so lame boss

i hated it after 50 pulls

[tribal blade]

also doesn't help my cds came up on 2nd egg literally as it died

[hallow mortar]

that sux

[tribal blade]

yeah sucks

but boss dead

i'm happy

[hallow mortar]

did you hold somwhere or your guild just that fast

[tribal blade]

uhhhh nah i don't think i held anywhere

we pushed P2 quickly i think, not 100% sure

i didn't need to do my 3rd immune soaking in P2

[hallow mortar]

i saw those "fast" pusher to hold blades in P2

[tribal blade]

yeah i sent blades as it came off cd in P2

and it wasn't back up for end of egg

so yeah we pushed P2 fast then

[paper trail]

Hmm why?

[hallow mortar]

egg boss will be such a weird one on rekill

[dusky yacht]

Cause better in ST so ideally I would have both trickster and DS set

I'll prolly get it

[tribal blade]

lol yeah that boss will be the weirdest as we get more power

[paper trail]

Due to crit instead of mast or?

[dusky yacht]

More haste

[tribal blade]

MIGHT get in the range of 1 phasing

if you have a raid team of blasters

[hallow mortar]

it will be like dimensius, if you did not get parse on first kill you are cooked

[tribal blade]

YUP

i'm probably cooked

but i don't care too much because i think my RL was very happy with my performance on beloren

[hallow mortar]

i only did immune soaking after first egg phase

[tribal blade]

i did the first orbs on pull

[hallow mortar]

yeah that sux, we had hunters for that

[tribal blade]

so literally running back to the boss and the birds half dead already lol

that killed my dmg in P1

depending on if it was horizontal or vertical i could get back slightly faster to the boss

can't remember which

but one configuration is a shorter run

[hallow mortar]

im doing crystal on lura now tho

[tribal blade]

oh damn

adrenaline time

[hallow mortar]

its not bad

but we did not propebly play P2 yet

which is the real crystal gaming phase

[tribal blade]

yeah true

i think the only real wiping in P2 comes from crystals

unless people are trolling with the beams

[hallow mortar]

i was trying to figure out where is the wiindows in P2 to send blades

so i dont send during mechanic

[tribal blade]

mmm true

it must be tough with constant dropping and spreading

[hallow mortar]

i think it will be fine

i think crystal holder cant get line

[tribal blade]

i think so yeah

[hallow mortar]

or atleast they did not on video i was tching

[tribal blade]

must be

yeah must be, you never ever see someone drop and then move the line in

[hallow mortar]

tbh should be fine

[tribal blade]

you'll be good, you're a gamer

[hallow mortar]

you have this big bar from northensky when to drop

[tribal blade]

oh shit that's dope

ok shower time

[peak ice]

bruh i showed my raid group that mod

and now i am norther sky boy

next time ill just shut up

[shadow lance]

Same for me but with Crown 🙁

[west meadow]

best dungeon for rolls for my alt ?

[shadow lance]

No full reclear before belolo dead

[hallow mortar]

you need to have good rng on crown in P1 in order to parse there

[shadow lance]

Nha, I just fucked up

Ngl, was testing DS

And my macro pot wasn't in that bar set

[hazy breach]

Skyreach or nexus point

[west meadow]

ty

[somber sun]

outlaw here and there

[shadow lance]

Sin too

I'm a rogue enjoyer

[hallow mortar]

eleem will you give DS try on lura? 😄

[tribal blade]

big thing there is crown is another fucky parsing fight 😉

depending on what happens in P1

you're just cooked for parsing

[wicked urchin]

what fight isnt tho

[tribal blade]

well some of more out of your control than others

by quite a bit

[copper sail]

so new death stalker changes we all rolling death stalker now?

[tribal blade]

like crown is almost completely out of your control how many puddle stacks the adds get

[wicked urchin]

that was us yeah

this has been the most memey parsing tier in a long time

almost everything other than l'ura has some cringe pad stuff

crown isnt really pad its just unfortunate the way the fight works

[earnest crane]

Vora is good boss to parse

[wicked urchin]

haven't pulled it in a month and im still rank 47

so ill take that

[earnest crane]

chim is kinda good for parsing

[wicked urchin]

ive only been group 1

workable

but group 2 seems so much more cozy

[earnest crane]

why ?

[wicked urchin]

timings just line up better

[tribal blade]

really has been yeah

[earnest crane]

u can cd both boss and add if u be in 2

[ashen warren]

yeah but we don't hit adds the 2nd time

[earnest crane]

not much diffrent

[ashen warren]

like group 1 do

[earnest crane]

u pad more instead

[wicked urchin]

adds are dead by the time i finish opening cds in group 1

[earnest crane]

with full cd

[wicked urchin]

group 2 you can send cds and then adds pop to your phase for the next sectech

[earnest crane]

dont know i guess gp 1 is better but 2 must not be crazy gap

[ashen warren]

idk I am always group 2 and in term of boss dmg I parse but overall nah

[wicked urchin]

im talking overall for sure

thisll be the first reclear week in a long time so im ready to pull some cringe shit

its time for the going down 3 times in a row tech

[ashen warren]

ig I'm not padding the adds when they come back to reality realm and that's what ruining my parses on chim

[earnest crane]

if u want to parse on chim u must pad the adds then get madness going to other phase and pad again 😄

need RNG

[wicked urchin]

hard to pad with good players and the adds die insta

[earnest crane]

yea

[wicked urchin]

my saladbar parse is still sub50

85 or something for boss dmg

we dont tank the boss within cleave range for the big orbs

[ashen warren]

I have a 67 parse as outlaw on saladbar and I'm not willing to change it

[wicked urchin]

small orbs get immediately nuked

[meager coyote]

When will deathstalker buffs be live on raidbots?

[earnest crane]

mine is 89

[wicked urchin]

oh my god there are new deathstalker buffs

oh no

[earnest crane]

134k overall

[wicked urchin]

its okay (telling myself this)

i dont even have to think about it until i get the alleria neck

[cursive tundra]

there are no amount of deathstalker buffs that can convince me to swap to it

it's a matter of principle

[earnest crane]

if i was assa i would swap

[cursive tundra]

i guess

[ashen warren]

assa are not even swapping

and thank god

[cursive tundra]

I don't play with specs that don't have 1 hr tricks

[ashen warren]

understandable sir

[hallow mortar]

not really, i got Rank2 withnout this tech

[cursive tundra]

red nameplates scare me

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[earnest crane]

bigg win for sub

imagine having 1 hour trick but only one sub rogue is above 4k io

[meager coyote]

Implying there's a lot of other specs above 4k rio?

[cursive tundra]

I don't care about 0.1%

I am not a good enough player anyway

I'm just getting my resil 20

and that's enough for me

should guarantee 1% cutoff

I still don't necessarily understand why high rated rogues like outlaw more than sub

does it really do that much more damage?

no real burst, so even outlaw rogues go out midway and swap to sub seat for example

[earnest crane]

they play outlaw cuz outlaw is an old way to play rogue since classic and ppl like it more

[cursive tundra]

yeah but then it's just preference, not real viability issue for sub

I personally am not on Adderall

so I can't play outlaw

[earnest crane]

no i m sure sub will not be behind in keys from outlaw maybe ahead

[shadow lance]

Yes, you right

[cursive tundra]

Outlaw is carpal tunnel any% speedrun on adderall

change my mind

(i'm just jealous btw, i love that spec i just can't play it)

[earnest crane]

i loved TWW outlaw

not this one

[somber sun]

tww outlaw ?????

[earnest crane]

yeap

with the buff extend with BF AR stealth

[tulip gorge]

outlaw is much slower in midnight compared to tww though

[somber sun]

ohh yeah forgot about that

[tulip gorge]

crackshot

https://tenor.com/view/pissbreakfast-gif-3484611286363473525

[earnest crane]

and i love when dispatch is main finisher

BTE is kinda lame

[sick epoch]

Trickster still better than desthstalker right?

[tribal blade]

interesting that's kinda the opposite way i see it

[cursive tundra]

I tend to miss a lot more mechanics and stops when I need to make a decision every 0.8s about which of my 7 buttons do I need to press to prevent my 8 buffs from falling off

It's purely skill issue

[earnest crane]

havind cd on ur main finisher isnt it bad ?

[cursive tundra]

But I am old, can't focus on so many things at once

[tribal blade]

same tbh

[cursive tundra]

i just shuriken storm into black powder

it's a peaceful life

sometimes i even do two black powders after a shuriken storm

[earnest crane]

some times Secret 😄

[cursive tundra]

When i feel like it

[somber sun]

outlaw would really be more accessible if they brought back WAs

only played that spec in tww cause of that

[cursive tundra]

Yup

If an addon computes all of that and just tts it into my ears

I could play it a lot better in tww

[earnest crane]

they made rotations ezier to Remove WAs

[somber sun]

might be just me being lazy then

[fast dome]

What is the best race for rogue and why is it Dracthyr?

[valid thunder]

Any idea if its worth playing deathstalker without recrafting all the gear and staying at ~750 haste?

[hazy breach]

You can sim it

Probably slightly better, but not by much

[olive canyon]

For belo M - is there any value in going cloud cover? or even deathstalker after the buffs?

[foggy estuary]

Whats the best crafted item set if i have krick and vor dagger maxed forged? Neck and belt?

[hazy breach]

Still the hunt dagger, but 2x arcano is fine too

[tribal blade]

you can use a haste flask and be well above that

[hazy breach]

Insanely little difference either way

[tribal blade]

i'm assuming you're starting at 700 haste

[foggy estuary]

I would prefer if we outgrew crafted items ngl🤷‍♂️

[tribal blade]

they would need to rework professions again if crafted gear became useless

[sick epoch]

After the buffs Trickster still better than desthstalker right for sub right?

oh I alaredy read on pins, okay

[fair cloak]

yo isnt weaponmaster shiet

[vale pine]

yes

we use finality over it

[fair cloak]

k thx

[shadow lance]

Is there a way to define proc in sim?

Of hunter

[hazy breach]

Yes, but it doesnt matter that much

[fair cloak]

i forgot we need 20% or 18% haste

[hazy breach]

~700

[fallow nimbus]

Stats, we need 700 haste stat

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cursive tundra]

700 with guidon
800 with puzzlebox

is what I heard

but people here frown upon puzzlebox

i still run that, just cause I naturally have 800 haste anyway

[tepid trellis]

rightfully so shit designed trinket

[cursive tundra]

it is

but numbers go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

with that amount of mastery

[trail ginkgo]

How is sub doing this season ?

[tribal blade]

pretty good

[trail ginkgo]

Thx 🙂

[tribal blade]

just to add context, sub is doing decently well when it's in the right comp (skyfury+warr buff)

but it's not meta

but not terrible

[trail ginkgo]

Ah thanks for the elaboration

[tribal blade]

just in case i get someone trying to rail on me for saying sub is doing pretty well right now with "BUT IT'S NOT META"

[upbeat cradle]

Standing still for 2s goes brrrrrr too

[void ocean]

yea it rly seems its usually very high

[tribal blade]

yeah numbers are pretty solid

[void ocean]

i topped dmg yday on chima mythic pug even tho i was grp 1

got 88 parse

[tribal blade]

rogue is just suffering with the usual thing of no utlity/dmg raid buff/bres/lust

[tribal blade]

HUGE

[void ocean]

and we had all the meta classes

[tribal blade]

the thing with a lot of fotm chasers is they're not great players

so they hop onto a fotm class and play it piss poor

[void ocean]

well i mean how good can u be if u respec every season

[tribal blade]

instead of just playing their main and getting better at that

[tribal blade]

e x a c t l y

obviously good players can do it

because they do a shitton of research and are able to pick up new specs fast

[void ocean]

like being good, but in terms of high keys good or mythic bosses good requires some continuity imho

[old lynx]

Why blizz no change poisons to where people want them in meta comps 😥

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogue-needs-to-bring-a-real-raid-buff/2304579 because of this

btw hit this with a like and comment if you can

i'm gonna be a broken record till this finally gets done

[wispy crystal]

if we are 698/700 haste rating, does that mean we miss the break point entirely?

[tribal blade]

not at all

the actual breakpoint for 0.4 secs of leeway is 684

[wispy crystal]

so 684 is the hard breakpoint right?

[tribal blade]

the actual hard breakpoint is 587

but that means you can not mess up a single global

we just round it up to 700

losing a bit of crit/mast to make it more guaranteed to hit all the gcds in dance is way more valuable

[summer peak]

Has anyone else had the issue when they vanish the adds on Var , they stay fixated on you 😆 tied it yesterday and ended up having to run out with it

[tribal blade]

don't think you can combat drop it

and even if you could it would be super troll to do

[wispy crystal]

i understand now, thanks so much for your insights

was confused if it was hard required to get exactly 700 haste or more

[tribal blade]

np!

[tribal blade]

nah you can go slightly over or under and be totally fine

[karmic harbor]

Are we deathstalking

[shadow lance]

I would just like to see what the exact damages

[wispy crystal]

yeah im at 698 at the moment

is the duo ring from Nexus Point good?

with the shadow proc effect

[tribal blade]

yes

it's 0.5% of free dmg

[wispy crystal]

since its shadow damage

[shadow lance]

rings*

[sweet moss]

mate there’s no way i’m changing my gear again

[wispy crystal]

i thought Sub loves shadow damage

[tribal blade]

the dmg type doesn't matter

[wispy crystal]

oh but its free 0.5%?

nice

[tribal blade]

actually DS lingering might buff it possibly

[shadow lance]

I thought they remove all damages amp interaction with stuff

[tribal blade]

i think it's still bugged like that

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tribal blade]

might work on it

[shadow lance]

wow

Interesting

[tribal blade]

but it's a small dmg proc so it wouldn't be super impactful

oh lingering might buff alleria neck too

hrm i'm sure one of the TCs knows for sure

[brisk raptor]

@tribal blade I have 724 haste and sometimes during cooldowns during my second dance, that I press with ~8 seconds left of blades, I find to make sure my st clones hit I sometimes have to just wait half a gcd for st to come off cd

[tribal blade]

i do that too sometimes, not sure if it's a good play tbh

usually i have enough time to finish my gcd and then fire off sectec though

[brisk raptor]

Seems like it depends on if my apex procs or not. It’s almost like I have the cp refund from apex so if I send a finisher with st on 1.5s cd then I have to build and spend and don’t have enough time to do both

[tribal blade]

if you use your cds correctly it shouldn't really happen

i think it'll mostly happen if you don't time all your cds well

[hollow spear]

Do you guys have a recommendation for an addon that automatically switches gear based on hero talents detected?

[vale pine]

yep, should work on trinkets, enchants and special effect items

[tribal blade]

i wonder how much impact it has, prob not a huge amount

[hollow spear]

Can probably just multiply procs by a factor of X

30 seconds/100 seconds x 0,3 x damage according to log/quick sim

[vale pine]

i mean, its in the sims. But generally no real impact on gameplay

[tribal blade]

cool!

[hollow spear]

Watch me play around the neck damage proc

Big

But it seems to take lingering into account, as fuu said

DS just cannot stop winning

[fossil forge]

I envy the us so bad they wont sell it in europe

Thats so crazy 🚫 🧢

[brave raptor]

Hey we're going to start Alleria prog, with the recent tuning do you think DS might be the play on that fight? Or I stay in outlaw jail

[hollow spear]

Not sure I envy US citizens rn to be honest haha

[fossil forge]

Well i dont rly

But my friend works in the cinema and i was asking If they will have it

[hollow spear]

Why is trickster sub not an option?

[fossil forge]

He said its banned in our country but he can order one for me (40eur) haha

[hollow spear]

Where you from?

[fossil forge]

Slovakia

[hollow spear]

They aren't big on MJ?

[fossil forge]

more of a meth country

[brave raptor]

I guess so but with the buff coming was wondering if it would be worth to swap to it or if it's w/e

[fossil forge]

Not legal here yet

[hollow spear]

It's probably the best boss damage option rogue has atp

But trickster sub is perfectly fine

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46?boss=3181&dataset=95&sample=7

[earnest crane]

is the outlaw still play the smoke ?

[hollow spear]

No reason to play Outlaw anyway it seems

[swift tinsel]

Ye they can

[hollow spear]

Fatebound enjoyers in shambles

[brave raptor]

Yeah that's pretty clear lol ty for the info

[lyric patrol]

Trickster sub is one of the best dps specs on that fight

[hollow spear]

After looking at the statistics: if you are not literally zac, don't play Outlaw on crown

[tribal blade]

crown has so many downtime moments

so many times you have to just leave melee

[brave raptor]

That was my fear for it well I'll just prog on sub

[fossil forge]

Classic

[hollow spear]

just play range :^)

[tribal blade]

sub is pretty chill on crown

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[hollow spear]

sorry, I meant uhdk

[tribal blade]

same thing tbh

[fossil forge]

Sub is pretty chill until u play every obelisk

[hollow spear]

autocorrect maybe

[brisk raptor]

Trickster still prolly the play on myth belo’ren Tuesday?

[tribal blade]

maybe, thing is on beloren you don't really need dmg

anymore

[lyric patrol]

I think so. Right now egg dmg is not an issue and imo its better if adds die quicker

[hollow spear]

what about dn sniping the adds for more damage?

[tribal blade]

lol true

[upbeat cradle]

After looking at the statistics: if you are not literally zac, don't play Outlaw on crown

Fixed it for you

[hollow spear]

This is one of the rare instances where I would disagree

Outlaw kinda good rn

[upbeat cradle]

Just play sub, force blizzard to look at us

[hollow spear]

If they look too closely, they might nerf DS

no, thanks

[open coyote]

is the reason for 1100 haste on DS that we otherwise wouldn't get an extra ST in the dance window?

[hollow spear]

It's for an additional gcd during dance

You already need more haste due to not having Disorienting Strikes

[open coyote]

ah so i REALLY need to find more haste if i wanna try it out

rn i'm sitting at 712 haste with oil/flask

[hollow spear]

it seems like having less haste isn't even that bad on DS

not sure what to think of what the sim tells me

maybe Eleem/fuu know

[open coyote]

my experience with sims is that they cannot account the human error factor that we take when creating the haste breakpoints

like 712 haste for me is 7,5 sec dance

sims want me to have 0,5 sec worth of haste less

[hollow spear]

I get that, the sim was fine (1-2% dps loss) with going below a haste level that even a bot could handle

[open coyote]

even right now with me recrafting all my gear and catalyzing? bracers i would only hit 960~ haste and still be 140 low

[hollow spear]

It will feel a bit different, but I would probably just try playing it at your current haste level and see how you like it

[open coyote]

i would need alleria neck and the pants from her too and then to do recrafts

[hollow spear]

There's no more real damage checks atp, so why play a hero talent that feels bad for you

[open coyote]

but then i would obviously have way too much haste for my other stuff

[open coyote]

yeah true

i just feel like coup doesn't feel like a big button (maybe it is idk) but DN does feel like a big button

playing trickster just feels like i get a bunch of passives i can give a rats ass about

DS assa in TWW S1 felt great with the prio damage from SF in m+ and such

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/a-clockwork-orange-eyes-uVOTxMagGsgXS

[meager coyote]

How do I know when the DS buffs will be up on raidbots? 🤔

[bleak nexus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mSSuNuNYJupqJPN1NAGFst crafting ring and neck, with flask and gems, exactly 1100 haste

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vdrmnMvJhK8K6dcjPT5NHp this if I get Omission of Light and crafting neck

sounds decent

[chilly dagger]

Do you guys also run into the problem that /r oder whisper in general somehow does not work properly?! 😮

[open coyote]

yes, though i use elvui so that might be related

[lilac stag]

Flask unless you’ve already counted that. Didn’t see it mentioned.

[open coyote]

it was mentioned

[dire ravine]

Dragons cloak + could pick up the BoE boots with heavy haste prio too?

[lilac stag]

engineering helps as well

[open coyote]

my guild isn't really interested in reclearing we're on bel'oren

so the cloak will be hard to get ahold of

[open coyote]

these boots?

[modern sentinel]

why they so expensive still?

[abstract cosmos]

greedy gatekeepers

they want gold

[lilac stag]

Check other servers

[dire ravine]

I didn’t say it would be economical 🫣

[abstract cosmos]

crafting boots also help

helped me with my haste goal

[lilac stag]

Got the plate chest for 200k

[open coyote]

i got alleria boots don't really want to craft boots

[modern sentinel]

im on eu draenor,and those are below 1milly last time I checked

[abstract cosmos]

use the ah website

thats what i did to flip

[open coyote]

what you just check other servers and just buy it there then go put it in the warband bank and sell on anotherserver?

[lilac stag]

given options. doesn’t want to do them. just play trickster at that point.

[dire ravine]

P much yeah.

[open coyote]

undermine exchange requires paying on patreon at this point to do anything lol

[abstract cosmos]

some guy gave me a login for it

so im good

[open coyote]

"requires patreon"

[lilac stag]

wowpay2win

[open coyote]

what a fkn joke of a website lol

[dire ravine]

There’s another site you can use as well. Cross references all AH postings.

[abstract cosmos]

it never was like that but ig they saw rhere shit popping off

[modern sentinel]

AH prices so nsfw its gotta be on patreon

[open coyote]

what site is that?

[dire ravine]

@open coyote

[open coyote]

oh i thought that was a comment on it being patreon

[lilac stag]

why are you tagging me

[dire ravine]

No, that’s the site

[open coyote]

ahh then the boots make more sense too the ones i searched up were 282 version that saves you 10/20 crests, the 279 ones that are still myth track only cost 320k

[modern sentinel]

[lilac stag]

[dire ravine]

Yeah, they’ve come down in price a lot. I bought some @ the beginninh of season for 1.5 🥲

[modern sentinel]

ye, I got some for like 1.2m? idk, getting that back slow n steady

[tribal blade]

can someone edit this for sub

pls and ty

we need our own version

[fossil forge]

[modern sentinel]

monk?

or monk&warr

[shadow snow]

For some reason i do shiet dps on 1st pull, i dont do more than 400K dps on that pull meanwhile udk does 600K.

what can it be? Is it that udk kills em too fast?

[modern sentinel]

I would say class diff

[shadow snow]

yeah but i used to do more dmg on the 1st pull, usually got like 500K by the end of the 1st pull

i w8 for all mobs to gather,then do the rotation, i align the 2nd sd on the last 8sec of sb. i press 2 sectech

with a pot of reck

AND STILL DO 400K

[vale pine]

like this?

[modern sentinel]

add it to wowhead

[vale pine]

wdym add it to wowhead

[rough rivet]

https://auctions.wowthing.org/ can use that

[dry plank]

What dung?

[shadow snow]

Nexus point for example

tank pulled 1st room and i did 400 and the udk did 600

[dry plank]

What key lvl? How long was pull?

[shadow snow]

16 key, i dont remember how long

[dry plank]

Check logs (from phone right now I can bcoz wlogs sucks in phone) there is on diagram shows bl windows and check dmg of top log players. You should not compare urself to dk

For example on first pull maisara rogue does around 1mil with war and shaman of course 🙂

[small sleet]

If you have a log I could take a look at it and see if I see what’s wrong, but 400k is definitely a bit low for first pull of npx

[open coyote]

you can use the "view website as web version" or something in the burger menu

that should make it easier

[small sleet]

When I try to do this on wcl specifically it doesn’t work for me

Works on any other website though

[shadow snow]

i am stupid

forgot to put poisons

[latent remnant]

that can't be optimal

[north schooner]

Poisons are a huge 0,5% loss

[hazy plover]

Any idea if the DS buffs will make the spec good for M+ or will it still be trickster?

[small sleet]

I don’t think poison is even .5% in m+ lmao

Still trickster

[narrow hemlock]

are engineering embelishments any good? or just ignore them and get the regular ones?

[chilly dagger]

How is shaman affecting me in regard of shadow techniques? I thought they just give me skyfurry 2% mastery lol

[narrow hemlock]

check pinned messages

[small sleet]

Skyfury gives you a 20% chance to auto attack twice, which stacks up sht faster

[lilac stag]

you should have let them have ignorant bliss. you’ve just ruined the spec for them.

[wispy sedge]

c sssdc v 230.000.0....

.................

[radiant swift]

anyone know which like addon does thje first window

not the mplus one but the one behind

also is there a base addon that just tts u out of your mind? dissabled everyhing and im still getting bars with abilites called and full tts

[steady lark]

did you install exboss/extools

[radiant swift]

i did not - might be in this weakaura tho have to test

the shizo tts is a bit more annoying

evertything dissabled like bigwigs but its still there

[steady lark]

that looks exactly like the extools m+ timer and extools does a lot of random tts after every update

extools/exboss whatever same shit

[radiant swift]

if its called like that i couldnt find it within my addons

tts was calling enemy core abilties and having bars with cast time

checked targetedSpells but didnt find any tts

its targetedSpells

[steady lark]

I'm trying to find where it was that I disabled it from but I can't

[merry bloom]

Why did they buff death stalker 🥲

I don’t want to stack 1100 haste

[hazy breach]

Idk then dont

If you could live with a 5% loss in ST dps you can live with a 6% loss

[wet robin]

Assuming we can hit the haste needed, would DS be the play on mythic lura? We run two rogues and concerned the terminate add dam loss may be too much

[radiant swift]

it was actualy raider io replay system holy

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Generally yes

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade one step closer to

[vale pine]

nice

[lilac stag]

12s are funny

[somber sun]

you get a bit of everything on these keys

weirdly enough when I get accepted in those, I only get with 4 other ppl gearing their accs ( pushing from +12 with 260i and no idea how to play their class)

[wet robin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lean summit]

!feint

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[foggy estuary]

If you ever join a boosting server you will understand why this happens

[dire jolt]

rogue to 90, woo

[keen steppe]

Is there something i can do that my cpbar doesnt dissapear when i use the teleporter in spire or ger grabbed from the add in skyreach.. its annoyibg to reload everytime

[rapid fjord]

when trying to fit that second secret technique in cds if i manage to press it like .5 before dance ends does it still get the benefit even tho the animation and execution happens later?

[shadow lance]

No

[raw frost]

So now everone will play ds for single target ?

[hollow spear]

I doubt it

It's not to everyone's taste, I'd guess that more people dislike it than not

[spiral pewter]

are the deathstalker buffs enough to switch over or?

[rapid fjord]

so should i hit shadowblades right after the dance/technique combo so the buff is active as it goes off and i can get the second cast off before shadowblades ends?

[foggy estuary]

I forgot ds on and parsed better with no change in rotation 🫠

[vale pine]

haha nice

now image if you start to optimize it

[latent remnant]

i wonder how much worse trickster is when you're using a ds-optimized gearset compared to just having your trickster gear

[valid jewel]

Should we be pushing haste to at least 1100, or is it more like aiming for somewhere around 1000–1100?

[vale pine]

give me a sec

1.5% worse

[latent remnant]

bless thank you

[hollow spear]

unplayable

[valid jewel]

ty

[vale pine]

you can be slightly below, but 1100 is good if we include human error

[dire jolt]

+11 delves at 212 on a fresh 90, fun

would be the first hero drop

[somber sun]

[void ocean]

lmao i got invited to Skyreach 12 and pala tank starts complaining to the lead "why did u inv rogue for" 😄

and gets kicked

[somber sun]

+12, full overgeared group

and we still care about picks

[hollow quest]

Life as rogue sometimes ain’t ez

[void ocean]

...and then i ended up toping overall by 10k and 30k over devo dh and frost mage

given they were both a bit behind in gear

but still 😄

they meta and im not

[shadow lance]

Frost mage meta?

[void ocean]

wasnt it

i might be wrong i remember they were a thing at the beginning of the season

[shadow lance]

Idk, not more than rogue I think

[dire jolt]

frost was sorta there for keys but they gutted shatter pretty fast

DPS in top m+ keys this season

[foggy estuary]

We sec tec more in ds due to haste and the reduction, wouldnt that still be better in raid boss that are single target but have adds? Like imperator for example. Im i thinking it wrong?

[shadow lance]

Yes, Meta is more UDK/Aug/Dev

[plush roost]

You sec tec less as ds

[hazy breach]

Trickster has -10% cooldown on Sectech

[plush roost]

Tricksters sec tec also hits way harder

[hazy breach]

Which is why deathstalker needs an additional 400 haste to get the around same cooldown as trickster

[dire jolt]

Frost was gonna be there but shatter nerf was big

[hazy breach]

There was also the devourer buffs

and unholy buffs

[dire jolt]

I hate so much when specs want opposite stats

[wheat edge]

lowkey this tier it feels like there is a lot of overlap

all 3 rogue specs are kinda similar
uhdk/frostdk are the exact same
and maybe it stops there

[vale pine]

sorry was afk eating something, what charrend and eleem mentioned. The cdr note from the hero talent creates a diffrent baseline.

[dire jolt]

really? seems like outlaw at least doesn't really like mastery at all

[vale pine]

specs seem to be a lot more "in line" now that before, we don't have huge diffrences anymore

[west tide]

im happy about that

[wheat edge]

assa and outlaw are crit haste, and I dont think you run into a lot of issues if u play crit haste on sub

[west tide]

i just am unhappy in the first few weeks weapon situation rogue is in where u cant play outlaw

[wheat edge]

like when I play sub I just swap puzzlebox to guidon even tho I am 99% assa

[west tide]

if u make a dagger

[vale pine]

in m+ you might want more mastery

but crit/haste especially on deathstalker is perfectly fine

[wheat edge]

yeah its like swapping a ring to a more mastery heavy ring and then maybe mastery flask and then my gear is probably totally fine

like on assa I might run crit nexus point ring + pit ring and then on sub just run the nexus point set instead

[west tide]

im seeing if i can hiit 1100 haste

idt i can lmao

[wheat edge]

alleria neck + lura ring

[west tide]

i have none of those unfortch

[wheat edge]

same

[dire jolt]

I dunno how much I'll even play rogue, I hate pugging as a dps only class

[left ledge]

ive been getting invited fairly often on my rogue

but im doing chud keys

idk how it looks like with real keys

[dire jolt]

Well I'm gonna be like 250 wanting 10s haha

[left ledge]

oh if you're doing weeklies

you're doomed

[dire jolt]

250 in under 2 hours is nice

[left ledge]

they have higher standards than people doing push keys

[dire jolt]

I'll have to beg my guildies for carries

[wheat edge]

hit em with the "keys?" classic

[west tide]

omfg im close

wait i need 25 more FUCK

i guess i can replace my purloined ring with a heroic ring and easily hit it

[left ledge]

wait

i just saw the DS buffs

LMAO

no way it got buffed

[west tide]

ok we made it boys

we lost like 2 ilevels but

worth?

[left ledge]

ofc

[shadow lance]

You know 1076 is ok?

[vale pine]

did you aply oil already?

[west tide]

yes oils applied and flask

i barely made it

[vale pine]

can technically just use a socket?

idk

[left ledge]

you're good bro

1100 is more than enough

[vale pine]

but 1070 should be enough/fine

[left ledge]

time to pack lura up

yeah i did lura at 1088

[west tide]

yuppp

[wheat edge]

also if ur really reaching, haste food

[west tide]

oh ok maybe i can put on my higher ring then

[sacred gull]

is shadowmeld working in raid ? Can send a shadow strike from it ?

[wheat edge]

I assume u need real stealth to shadowstrike? and u cant drop combat in raid so shadowmeld doesnt work for that

cause the stealth effects are usually by shadowmeld -> stealth (cause u dropped combat for a split second) -> boom bam

[runic sinew]

Even with the buff to the hero talent, DS in M+ still doesn’t gain much, right?

[sacred gull]

so shadowmeld useless in raid I guess

an othe rogue gave me a doubt, I wanted to check

[west tide]

ooo cloak of shadows +2 sec duration gonna be nice last phase lura

hmm evasion dr seem nice too

missed that one

[left ledge]

i was pretty sure you could strike from meld

[hollow quest]

You should be able to I was nightelf before and did that

[left ledge]

idk if it procs any stealth effects though

[wheat edge]

could be totally correct I am just sayin shit that applies to assa

[left ledge]

yeah its nice for the immune soak

[wheat edge]

does it give u premed tho?

[left ledge]

i dont think it gives premed

[west tide]

so ds u wantr to enter dance with low cd ?

[left ledge]

yeah low cp

and try to make sure you will proc apex for DN

[earnest crane]

can some one explain this to me ?

[wheat edge]

"used to track how many sparks" so its just info

[left ledge]

ideally you want to go into dance with one stack of mark, sectec into apex DN

[earnest crane]

i must have 2

i have one

i missed one

[left ledge]

sometimes i finish before the dance to proc DN if i have enough sht to insta apex DN then sectec second finisher

just kinda play to make sure you sectec in dance and apex DN as much as possible

[west tide]

hmm ok i gotta hit the dummy

[lilac stag]

[left ledge]

im mentally unwell so

i get so bothered by sectec cd on DS when i have DN ready to blast that i gotta cancelaura the apex

[hazy breach]

Or DN apex > sectech

Either is fine

[left ledge]

yeah

[dire jolt]

So in general you're really safe in crafting a dagger with hunt first for all 3 specs? Not a situation where a drop beats that in offhand?

[left ledge]

the DN apex into sectec kinda bothers me

[hazy breach]

DN first probably better most of the time as you can often fit a second DN

[left ledge]

ye

though eleem

whats the ideal situation BEFORE you go into the dance

do you just have to stop stabbing to not proc apex on the evis

like im pooling but im stabbing

[hazy breach]

Either that or cancel it ig

[left ledge]

i see ok

yeah i mean stab barely does shit anyways

[lilac stag]

You can make a 298 dagger best an offhand crafted yes. Embellishments are whatever.

[left ledge]

i just cant stop myself

[hazy breach]

But like you said im pretty sure the ideal way is to be at 5 sht with 1 mark left > evis > storm+dance > DN > sectech

[west tide]

ihit the dummy for 1 min 30 never hit a dn apex

gg

[left ledge]

ye

o thats bad

[lilac stag]

Switch to

[left ledge]

you should be able to hit it everytime after sectec though

[hazy breach]

Sim does it a lot of the time but it doesnt like forcing it, but im pretty sure that it is better to force it

[left ledge]

striking again at max CP for apex on DN is worth it

so if you're in that situation, do it

it is a HUGE chunk of your damage

[hazy breach]

Atleast on dummies im able to get slightly more damage than the sim suggests pretty reliably, and i think thats the difference but could also be something thats missrepresented with the sim (dont think so though as Evis is the main difference)

[left ledge]

yeah i noticed that with sim too

ive just been making sure i can apex DN on a supercharger every single time

it kinda lines itself up tbh

very rarely does it not but at that point i dont force it either

[west tide]

what this for

[left ledge]

also something ive been doing a lot is in cds if i finish first dance and have DN ready i just insta go into the second dance and miss a second sectec in blades

[left ledge]

strike delay

[hazy breach]

Ye sim doesnt even like second sectech in blades

[left ledge]

storm has no delay

[hazy breach]

It prefers holding it for the dance immediately after

[left ledge]

oh really

i didnt pay attention to that ig

but yeah that feels better on DS honestly

[hazy breach]

The sim also really likes making sure you have almost 2 charges of dance when you blades, compared to trickster where you just want to make sure you get two of them during blades

DS also likes getting 2 dances of in lingering

[left ledge]

ye the shadow amp is quite big for DN

i think it hits harder after blades

[hazy breach]

1.8 stacks is what the sim wants

When you blades*

[left ledge]

interesting

i think majority of the time ive been going at 1.5

[azure mauve]

ye but who cares what the sim wants

[wheat edge]

Do you also try to mark-snipe as sub?

[left ledge]

what that mean

trying to get DN off a dying mob?

[wheat edge]

Yee, I guess u only play it in ST tho

[left ledge]

yeah

would be awkward anyways

[wheat edge]

But maybe could do on lura thingies

[fossil forge]

wthelly first windwalker of the szn spotted in the wild?

[left ledge]

you dont wanna ruin the flow of your mark

because the majority of the damage comes from setting up apex for DN and trying to get as many apex DN in your dance

well maybe not majority, but a good chunk of it

would not swap mark on lura ever for example

[wheat edge]

Ye was just thinking that outside of dance you dont do much anyways so if u were sitting on 3 stacks of mark and theres an add up

Just doin a lil snipe would be something to do atleast

[hazy breach]

Honestly i kinda dislike the 2 proc talent because it does literally this

[left ledge]

@west tide btw if you're gonna play DS on lura most important thing i have to reiterate and for everyone who will play DS on lura:

HAVE DN READY FOR P3. When she knocks you back from p2->p3, either make sure DN is available or try to get it up before severance

[left ledge]

i like it specifically only on the opener

[hazy breach]

If you dont get a proc it lines up really well

[left ledge]

because it guarantees apex DN in supercharge

[hazy breach]

Yeah there its nice

[left ledge]

otherwise yeah i hate it

[west tide]

ok tyy

[paper trail]

Any more tips for ds?

Min Max stuff

[left ledge]

the only important min max is preparing for dance

1 stack of mark, build sht, finish (dont proc apex for this), dance storm macro -> apex DN -> sectec

get a habit for that

[paper trail]

Is it fine to sit at Max energy for a while waiting for dance cd ro make sure u have 5 stacks

[west tide]

so how strict is shadowdance on low cp i had a situation in the opener where dance fell off and in blades, i had a dn apex setup i just sent a full cp dance to finish

that ok?

[left ledge]

it is fine but i dont like it so i cancel apex if i proc it before the dance in that situation (because im stabbing)

[left ledge]

yeah if you're full cp and have DN and sht ready just dance again

its fine

i mean it is more dps to strike twice specifically to proc apex for DN in dance

so its prob more dps to ditch an out of dance DN to ensure apex DN in dance esp with supercharger

[paper trail]

Okok ty

How is mastery vs crit as DN i assume mastery is slightly better due to DN buff

[west tide]

so better to ignore like a last sec tech if u can get another dn apex in cds

is da buff in da raidbots latest already

[ripe flame]

Does the mark transfer on p4? Or do you also need to have it ready?

[hazy breach]

You can just use the new spell if the mark ever gets lost

[ripe flame]

Alr

[wheat edge]

raidbots takes live data doesnt it so unless its live in the game it probably isnt in da sim

[vale pine]

the buffs are not on raidbots by default, they will be after reset

[wintry lake]

I've been playing outlaw this tier and decided to give sub a try, is it supposed to have a bunch of dead time either pooling for SD/ST or being energy starved?

[vale pine]

you are energy starved outside of cooldowns

thats by design

during, you should not

[wintry lake]

I did 95s on a dummy, 32s of that I wasn't casting anything, that feels like a lot of sitting around

[crude vapor]

the 1110 Haste is this with Guidon buff active or without?

[vale pine]

without

gear + raid buffs + oils/flasks

[crude vapor]

damn it. It feels impossible with my current gear. Recrafter some times and im still stuck at 975

[vale pine]

it also does not need to be exact, if you are 1090, thats fine too, but 1100 is the best to include human error

you can use a haste flask

[crude vapor]

yeah got all of those.

[vale pine]

you can also absolutely play deathstalker with less haste

but the haste is what takes it ahead

[shrewd lantern]

ngl for me its a case of

"do i really want to make another gear set just for vorasius?"

[hollow spear]

Yes

[shrewd lantern]

ignore last week i got 3 bp casts off on blistercreeps

@vale pine does ds want to go into dances with 1 mark stack

to sc both sectech and the dn evis

[gilded ferry]

I think the real question is: How long until DS takes trickster place in every boss

[vale pine]

you want to go into dance with low cp, mark stack isn't that important

[sullen glen]

We playing DS on Lura?

[shrewd lantern]

on logs? unlikely

since the top logs pad heavy

[vale pine]

if you have enough haste, sure

[pine viper]

Is light’s potential still the best potion for us?

at bis gear

[quaint breach]

whats the fastest m+ dungeon to farm crests in?

[hollow quest]

12

[quaint breach]

like AA, MT etc

[jaunty umbra]

Sky or Pit

[hollow quest]

Ah well imo prob pit and sr since they are the easiest

[lilac stag]

Level 5 rituals

[quaint breach]

I'll farm pit then, SR is a bit scarey with random low ilvl tanks

:p

[left ledge]

does not work on lura

[left ledge]

have DN ready

on lura your mark will just disappear after severance (p3) and after the transition to p4, you'll either need DN ready or you will have to reapply with strike

losing the mark for p4 isnt that bad

because it doesnt really matter when you pop

in p3 you really want to be ready for the lust

try to push to skip mechs and not wipe

in p4 its fine if you lose it and just reapply then pop when DN is ready

[ripe flame]

[shrewd lantern]

skyreach is fast if you have a tank good enough to pull multiple packs on a platform at once

And not some pepega who does 1 pull in 3.

[hollow quest]

Im mostly stuck with those

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

last skyreach i did i was 2x the damage of #2

Sometimes you'll get a tank thats good enough to let you rip 800k on the first pull.

[grim wasp]

Like everyone would tell you : SIM IT

[grim wasp]

Do we play trickers or darkstalker king? Been off wow 2 weeks

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[lilac stag]

Was there anything annoying with on crown?

[vale pine]

trickster on multi target, deathstalker on st

[vale pine]

mark could dissapear randomly on it

[grim wasp]

Like saladur and vorasius?

Is it a big difference?

[vale pine]

yes

with the buff its like 5% or more diffrence in single target

so significant enough to switch

ofc. you need a lot of haste for the switch to be efficient

[grim wasp]

I see but i need 1100 haste right? Is it with or without gulidon?

Gulldon *

[vale pine]

yes, 1100 haste (with flasks/oils/food/raid buffs)

we still use guidon

[grim wasp]

I see i need to check my haste i stay at 700 for trickstar with guildon

[merry agate]

DS gaming in low keys to farm crests
at least press some different buttons 😅

[grim wasp]

With darkstalker do we keep guildon or i use alguitar trinket boss? @vale pine

[vale pine]

yes

we play with guidon and 1100 haste

[still gazelle]

Man. Debating if I want to make a set specifically for ST now..

[grim wasp]

Thanks chief you are always so helpful

[still gazelle]

I don't think I have any notable giga haste pieces though. Could be fun for a few bosses though.

[vale pine]

i mean, trickster is still fine

[grim wasp]

If i can do it i will do it as well. Guild is ass stuck on paladin since a month ( im on bench)

[lusty gazelle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[still gazelle]

Oh I know, I just want to see how good death stalker is in a single Target fight where I just tunnel

So it could be fun for like three bosses

Oh reaching 1100 haste with a flask would be simple. I was thinking about rings and stuff.

Easyyyyy

[alpine wraith]

after next week it will be quite ahead of trickster for st yea

[open depot]

L'ura Deathstalker hype?

[normal chasm]

Sorry if it's been asked already; on ds do you just send guidon before blades as you would with trickster?

[open depot]

Fuu gonna write up the Deathstalker guide real soon

[normal chasm]

Ah cool much appreciated ty, definitely feel like i need it xd

[fair cloak]

Question, our raid leader does logging

but my details often show me at 1 dps and on log site im 2-3th sometiems 4

how to fix that, should i do own logs?

[open depot]

aug

[fair cloak]

its cuz aug buffs?

[open depot]

sure

[timid rose]

Pretty sure wcl normalizes against aug and things like PI no?

[hazy breach]

Not pi

But Aug damage is attributed to the Aug yes

[dire jolt]

I do like that you can tell when you're going to get CP refreshes before you cast a finisher on sub really easily.

Annoys me on Outlaw and Feral

[craggy quest]

You can you just need a separate bind for it in your non stealth bar

[dire jolt]

In a 20m raid ebon might and prescience on any one given person isn't that big a deal normally right?

[sacred gull]

ok thanks !

[dreamy needle]

!poisons

[vale pine]

leathal: instant poison
non leathal: (need talent switch)

• In m+ Numbing
• In raid Atrophic

[vestal rune]

For some reason, it’s showing can ascend my crafted weapon that is already 295.. gotta be a bug, right?

[dire jolt]

It highlights stuff it can't upgrade. Might just be anything below 298

[summer peak]

as DS how much are we playing around lining up DN and SD?

or are we not playing aorund it at all?

[vale pine]

we optimize around dn, we want to have aa for it

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[summer peak]

Ok, perfect, how far out from a SD would you hold a DN ?

[sterile raven]

god i love the garfield emotes this server have.

Weird of me to show up here more than once every blue moon..but i have an important question and a bit of a weird one.

when you guys end up doing keystones with a demonology warlock..how often the demo lock...bricks your key by pulling random stuff he shouldn't pull?

oh i see we have a case here..how often it happens with you? (to be exact we have no idea what is, we just noticed..its always with a rogue in party...part of us suspect it might be smokebomb or shadowblade or whatever)

[hollow quest]

Tbh pretty often that happened for me

[lilac stag]

imagine thinking you’re running a key with a rogue, that never happens

[sterile raven]

here is my speculation, if not all demo warlocks experience the bug often, but all sub rogues experience the bug often when they play with a demo lock...there might be some correlation right?

[timid rose]

i mean we had the same issue when i was running my monk and my enhancement shaman with the demolock in our group

[hollow quest]

I think you could be right I had a mt key and no shot I could have pulled another pack via shuriken storm because the pack was like in Uganda nevertheless I had instant aggro of that pack

[dreamy needle]

just had an ego clash in a 10 key which resulted my healer leaving on last boss

[lilac stag]

It’s always the locks fault. Thems the rules.

[hollow quest]

But It can also be just the lock pulling it and I had aggro because tricks didn’t work properly

[lilac stag]

granted there is plenty of 🍝 code, but trying to place it to a rogue ability? that’s a stretch even for blizzards copilot code

[hollow quest]

You may be right

[earnest crane]

have u guys seen frost DK in raids ?

[sterile raven]

the issue is on the warlock, in the sense that things cause certain spells to not be able to target enemy you are targetng causing the effects to fire at something closerby.

but we had this mistery in that some people never experienced it..and others experienced it very often

and funnily enough both cases are people with fixed groups

then someone noticed the presence of the rogue and the issue happening super often around that

[lilac stag]

take the rogue out of that specific comp (same 4 players no rogue) and what happens?

[sterile raven]

but warlock does have other pull issues who are separate from that, as an exemple if you warlock in nexuspoint takes the teleport with pets active..he will pull the entire room

[fossil forge]

++

single go boom

[lilac stag]

next people are going to be surprised when they see how much dps havoc can pump out in keys.

[sterile raven]

thats a thing i would need to ask

[lilac stag]

That’s where you should start if you’re trying to isolate it.

[hollow quest]

Rogue getting benched that’s a classic one

[lilac stag]

well. If everything else is the same. Key, 4 + Rogue or 4+ idk fury warrior and it still happened. The lock is just gaslighting.

[hollow quest]

Yep I was just joking

[lilac stag]

Which is what I fully expect.

rogue should be used to sitting at this point anyways

[earnest crane]

a rogue never sit we start spam jumping arrround in silvermoon

and getting decline in keys

like what am i doing ATM

[dire jolt]

If I'm jumping around I'm gonna wish I was a Dracthyr

[earnest crane]

nope make Night elf and use spark on it and front flip arround

[dire jolt]

If I wanna flip that's Vulpera

[earnest crane]

English or Spanish ?

[prime glen]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[prime glen]

Is there data on the new raid bosses loot drops and how it might change your gear? I saw the ilvls and I’m wondering if the 4 pc would change to accommodate for that new helm. Also the ring and the belt might shuffle some pieces around

Or if the trinket will be worth

[lilac stag]

I’m sure ilvl will win out in most cases. Cata or not.

[median saffron]

should u swap to haste mas gems to get me to 679 haste instead?

[dusky yacht]

You need 684 haste bare minimum

[median saffron]

okay got it ty!

[acoustic drift]

that haste minimum is definitely needed. I am also around 675 haste and replacing a single ring enchant with haste gets me 0.7% increase

[ripe comet]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[night sparrow]

Hey guys, any of you got a m33kauras to track when deepening shadows gets updated ?

[fallow nimbus]

That sounds wierd. Don't you use eagle enchants?

[acoustic drift]

it was with mastery. with eagle and full gem swap i am getting +2.7% now lol

[cyan saddle]

fwiw the pin says not to swap off of Eyes enchant

[vale pine]

the enchant is very powerful, thats why