subtlety

[pallid jackal]

okay thanks for the response

[fiery fog]

simming is a big meme

[pallid jackal]

huh why?

[fiery fog]

because the sim wants you to go for less haste

and values haste less

the sim will tell you to play at something like 630-640 haste

[pallid jackal]

Assuming I can play it rather optimally, then it's good right?

yea I've lived by the sims and I'm 644 haste right now

gemming crit/mastery

[small sleet]

You’re probably missing globals in dances at that haste

[finite hedge]

go count your gcds against a dummy and see if you can get 8 everytime

[lucid jackal]

Just sim, and then fill in the blanks to get to 700 haste

Usually with gems

[small sleet]

Maybe not every time, but it’s really difficult to always hit the globals at that low of a haste

[pallid jackal]

If that's true, then the haste / SD combo sure has made it more complex

So 8 globals in a dance?

[finite hedge]

Yes you want 8 globals in a standard dance

[fallow ingot]

yay or nah swaping from agi enchant to mast ?

[pallid jackal]

I think I get 8 quite well to be fair

just tested it, not sure though don't hate me

[real belfry]

Anyone else having this much trouble doing keys? I run my own 18 resil's and get no sign ups.

[finite hedge]

at 644 with a coup, the final gcd is razor thin. double check your final hit is still a ShS not a BS, or if its an evis you can tell based on how hard it hits

[pallid jackal]

Yeah I think I am seeing it now, got like 7 there once, then 8 on the two after

interesting, thanks for the good pointers guys

[tribal vortex]

on 627 I managed with coup but it is 0 lost time

In real life examples you will miss like 0.1 -0.2 somewhere

[lethal thorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pallid jackal]

I have like 644* haste and it gives me a SD of 7.3

[tribal vortex]

yeah same at 627

[finite hedge]

the tooltip does some rounding

[tribal vortex]

also the game could be doing some rounding 😛

[dreamy escarp]

Yo was looking at some of your parses yesterday, just mashing through 20s now so a bit behind but how the hell are you getting to 2750 mastery. Even with prepot reck + sky fury I don’t see it

[vale pine]

thats normal

rogue is not meta

[small sleet]

Prepotting reck with like 1100 mastery puts you around that right?

[hazy breach]

The wcl page only shows the exact stats he had when the key started, so the prepot is included

[vagrant fossil]

Have 1k base mastery. add 1750 from reck pot and there you go

[dreamy escarp]

Reck is 1099, no?

[vagrant fossil]

And what Eleem said

[hazy breach]

Reck is 1725

at r2

[vagrant fossil]

Like a big chonker

[dreamy escarp]

Ah the price of being poor

[hazy breach]

R1 is 1584

[vagrant fossil]

Ye, the cheaper ones are still quite strong

[dreamy escarp]

You also went from 175k to 220k in past week, and game shark codes?

[vagrant fossil]

I forgot, Eleem, when we go into the 2nd dance during Blades. Do we use shuriken storm into evis? Or do we start full CP and just Dance + Evis

It's just Shadowstrike that is bugged for Dance, right?

[cosmic oracle]

So what we using reck over lights potential now

[vagrant fossil]

I think it has value in keys?

[lean sigil]

did i do stupid shit, i recrafted my crit to mastery and now my statweights tell me crit is 24.10 single and mastery 22.5?

[vagrant fossil]

Don't bother spending time on stat weights. Just sim straight items and what gives the most

[lean sigil]

ill try and sim gems then 😛

[hazy breach]

It doesnt really matter, you can do strike too if you want

[vagrant fossil]

Just be aware with sub sims that you want 700 haste basically. Regardless of what the sim says in terms of haste value

[hazy breach]

The guidon haste gives you enough extra leeway anyway

[vagrant fossil]

Aah, fair

Just wondered since I saw the APL doing storm

[lean sigil]

got my haste

and 85% mastery

[cosmic oracle]

@hazy breach u sending reck or lights potential?

[hazy breach]

You can storm once during dance if you want to, but its like 0%

[hazy breach]

Reck for mastery in aoe, lights potential on ST

Like the #subtlety-faq says

[cosmic oracle]

cheers amigo

[vagrant fossil]

Shoutout Eleem for answering us noobs with more or less stupid questions

[small sleet]

in what dungeon?

[cosmic oracle]

eleem is a ragnaros gamer like me we are basically related

I said hi to him once when he was slapping the target dummies and he ignored me. I cried

[vale pine]

XD

[hazy breach]

Unluck

[celest spruce]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[celest spruce]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[rare laurel]

hello what option for sim raid boss mono pls?

[civic lava]

Patchwerk 1 boss 5 min

[long cape]

!talents

[humble jolt]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[stray bloom]

ive got a rotation question, and sorry if its in the pins somewhere. if im max combo points and sectech just came up -but i dont have ancient arts proc, am i backstabbing to get ancient arts before sending sectech/dance? or is it not worth wasting total uptime if sectech is already off CD

[void ocean]

sectech doesnt care bout aa

[stray bloom]

oh my god

thank you

[surreal orbit]

on beloren, is Feint enough to survive a soak?

[swift tinsel]

do I finish prep on the havoc or dk for labyrinth delve main

[void ocean]

does soak even count as aoe

[swift tinsel]

dh has speed and sustain, dk is invulnerable

[stray bloom]

okay why does sectech consume my AA then

[upper cosmos]

it consumes it but it doesn't matter to play around it like coup

[small sleet]

aa only applies to the physical portion of sectech

[void ocean]

aight, let me rephrase, u dont care if sectech is under aa or not

[small sleet]

so its not as impactful as you might think it would or should be

[stray bloom]

so its negligible basically

ok rgr

[long cape]

Where can I see talents? :))

[small sleet]

basically its fine to apex it, but you dont go out of your way to do it

[void ocean]

ingame, pres N

[small sleet]

the wowhead guide should be updated with the different talent builds

[long cape]

thank you

[somber sun]

[void ocean]

wut

[warm marlin]

i was feint + dancing it

feint is probably enough

[small sleet]

imagine the mirrors talent value

[warm marlin]

ye u can play mirrors

[small sleet]

tbh its probably still grief to play mirrors lmao

[warm marlin]

meh

intermission is maybe a bit spooky

[stray bloom]

does elusiveness evasion DR stack with feint? maybe evasion/feint is the play

[warm marlin]

yes but then you can only do it every 2mins

and cheat also lets you survive if you mess up

[hollow spear]

Never an if for me

[void ocean]

the "oh shit" button

[hollow spear]

Luckily it's not a button

Or I would fail to press it half of the time

[void ocean]

😄

[woven estuary]

#showtooltip Backstab
/cast cheat death
/cast Backstab

the chad macro

[hollow spear]

/cast Backshot

Should be an outlaw skill ngl

[woven estuary]

100% rename killing spree to Backshot

[hollow spear]

Reminds me of the time when I convinced a friend to name his LoL account Backdoor Banger because he liked to backdoor ingame

What I'd pay to be a teenager again

[red flame]

[sullen hare]

It's a just-too-warm night for hanging out on the back patio so you throw a pizza in the oven, log into your computer, and open up steam and WoW to hang out with your friends. It's a school night but you don't care because you and your friends are having too much fun as the clock goes past midnight without you so much as batting an eye. The year is 2006 2026

[vale pine]

XD

[hollow spear]

🙁

[woven estuary]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sad-upset-112--k01KS393NT01E3B7FDCAKZ11HE8

[hollow spear]

But to quote the saying fully: "Time flies when you're having fun."

So either I'm having fun or something else is wrong with me.

[sullen hare]

Nah you can pin this one on blizzard I'm not having fun in wow rn either

[marble sail]

!ss

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solemn patrol]

If we play DS with 1100 haste do we become puzzle box gamers?

I'm considering making the switch for birb and wind chime

[small sleet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

[astral mulch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steady furnace]

How does trickers tricks of the trade lasting 1 hour work? It's just enabled? I don't see any buff or anything.

[vale pine]

guidon should still be better

[vale pine]

you need to transfer thread to have it last 1h

[small sleet]

Use it on tank, hit something within 30 seconds, you redirect all threat for the next hour

[solemn patrol]

Ty fren

[vale pine]

so you get the 30 sec tricks, then when you attack a mob get the 1h buff

[steady furnace]

Thanks will check next pull, maybe it timed out before we started attacking then... was kinda sure it was on tho

[small sleet]

It also resets on death

[vale pine]

oh ye, if you die

then you need to re-apply

(if the tank dies, it stays active tho)

[shrewd lantern]

most of the time if anything you'll still rip from proximity aggro

[tepid trellis]

@hazy breach massive bonus roll it already came with hole

[shrewd lantern]

[hazy breach]

[shrewd lantern]

rolling in spire sounds so risk

lmao

i pulled that from my vault with no hole

[crystal bobcat]

Good afternoon everyone, which rogue spec is easier right now, Subtlety or Assassination?

[tepid trellis]

now its time for skyreach cloak rolls

[woven estuary]

I need the dagger

I forgot how hard it is to get into keys as a dps, been playing tank all season

[shrewd lantern]

skyreach dagger is ok

[woven estuary]

I dont raid so I'm trying to find the best case scenario for gearing lol

[shrewd lantern]

its usually pit

though i wouldnt play rogue if i didnt raid

[red flame]

That’s where ima be going as soon as I get the ring set

Rings would be the last items I bonus roll too, out of the entire table in npx

[timid rose]

my wife just needed Omission for her resto druid, took her 9 rolls to replace her champion one, we got a hero one for her the run right before she got the myth one

[golden thunder]

any tips on usagen / syncs with puzzle box? that cast time is also annoying -.-

[red flame]

feelsbad fr

[timid rose]

took all 6 rolls for my dagger from SR, now i'm hoping I don't need to use all the rolls to get the ring from Nexus myself 😄

[tepid trellis]

@hazy breach too ez

[hazy breach]

Absolute gamer

[tepid trellis]

thats full BiS

only thing left if i feel like it is puzzle box

[vale pine]

nicuu

[steady furnace]

Thanks, I see the buff now. Guess I was too late hitting.

[vale pine]

👍

[manic island]

is there a bis gearlist for m+ only?

[woven estuary]

I think mostly everything is obtainable through M+ minus the trinkets. Puzzlebox and Solarflare or HoW is what im going after tbh

[shadow atlas]

Hey guys, I don't understand this part... So do I use my second dance when Blades has 8 sec left, or when secret Technique has 2 sec to be ready so that I have my supercharge for it ?

[manic island]

i just dont really do much raiding and was wondering the best stuff overall in m+ to coin for

i have the raid trinkets tho

[teal prawn]

Can I bind guidon to detection to ensure guidon works

[red flame]

[teal prawn]

Idk the haste takes a second to update so

[elfin wind]

Isn't detection on the gcd

[vale pine]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[vale pine]

you essentially do this

so you dance

and if blades is on 8 sec left, dance again

[teal prawn]

Yes that’s the point. I macro the trinket to detection and it takes a full second and then the haste will update properly for deepening shadows

[vale pine]

guidon is off gcd

so you can technically just use it with strike

[teal prawn]

I see

[glass kelp]

That's what I do. Strike onto boss and pop guidon at the same time, and just use the gcd from that to time it

[random mason]

actually had to hard carry saladbar reclear wtf

[teal prawn]

That makes more sense

[glass kelp]

Player (13) my goat

[frail path]

🫡

Feels like no one wants to swap to them : /

[random mason]

i mean i get it

but we had a 700k hp wipe first pull bc we had orb fuckery

[warm marlin]

We wiped more to NK than beloren or alleria in our first full reclear this week

[random mason]

still got a blue with basically only doing dmg to big orbs and boss

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker boss damage merchant

Unfortunately ropaa outmerchanted me

[random mason]

wish i could do that

but orbs literally wouldnt die

[alpine wraith]

is the ds ST inc noticeable?

might try it for lura

[random mason]

like 5% if you got the gear for it i think

[hazy breach]

Yes

[radiant swift]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Its pretty easy to get the gear for it now with uncapped crests

[graceful rock]

Is 1200 haste trickster op?

[hazy breach]

Just craft haste only items

[teal prawn]

Engi stuff?

[random mason]

easiest way to get it yeah

[vale pine]

head/boots/bracers can be crafted with one single stat from engineering

which is a good way to get haste

[teal prawn]

Smart

Good thing I maxed engi gear already

[hazy breach]

The helmet requires engi, but the other pieces dont

So boots with 121 haste is pretty good

[gusty wharf]

ooo baby

[pale ravine]

anyone knows why sometimes only 1 ST hits instead of the three hits?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/KzgY6FVcPZdrfM27/self?type=damage-done&fight=41%2C41&source=1%2C721&target=727%2C727&view=events&modal=fight-selection

[hallow mortar]

is there some know bug that sectech have more cdr during blades? like it skip 2-3 sec at one point

[hazy breach]

Its when your guidon ends

[lilac stag]

It’s affected by lust and haste

[pale ravine]

maybe light guidon has not yet buffed its haste?

[lilac stag]

So gukdon lowers it

[pale ravine]

are you macroing it?

[hallow mortar]

nah its between first and second sectech

[hazy breach]

It is guidon ending

[ripe flame]

When the guidon ends the cd updates

[hallow mortar]

alright

[ripe flame]

Dinamically

[hazy breach]

It doesnt snapshot the cd when you cast sectech

The cooldown "ticks" faster based on your haste

[golden thunder]

!puzzlr

[maiden oar]

whats going on with deathstalker and canceling apex / any ds optimizations

how does it work

[alpine wraith]

we dont cancel apex

[earnest crane]

is the Seat leg bis ?

[swift tinsel]

pit or spire

[alpine wraith]

it is decent but not bis

[swift tinsel]

maybe crafted

[warm marlin]

i think subti talked about it a bit recently

[maiden oar]

is subti in here

[warm marlin]

@left ledge

[maiden oar]

oh thats subtic

ok

[warm marlin]

doxxed

[maiden oar]

[earnest crane]

Pit leg is the best one ?

[swift tinsel]

there's a few that are good

pit, spire, crown, boe

[maiden oar]

deathstalker still uses guidon right

[swift tinsel]

depends on what you want/need

[maiden oar]

maybe misreading the wowhead thing

ok yea misread

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel you time to alt gear is now. Champion Loot boxes for void light currency.

[swift tinsel]

Good thing I’ve got 55k marl burning a hole in my pocket

[somber sun]

55k??

[hollow spear]

Haptics really cornering the void marl market

[maiden oar]

was doing ds research and was curious if taking this talent means you play dances around sectech more now

or if not scing sectech still ok for ds

bc of wm bug

[hazy breach]

DN still does slightly more

Assuming its apexed

[left ledge]

do not cancel apex if you want to play numerically optimally

[maiden oar]

dont need to apex non dance dn right?

[left ledge]

yeah

only in dance you apex

[maiden oar]

ok ok

[hazy breach]

Shouldnt be that many outside dance DNs to begin with

[maiden oar]

ty

[hazy breach]

can happen if you get a lot of procs and/or during bl

[maiden oar]

do i wanna try and do gymnastics to hit the sc on sectech

[left ledge]

no

[maiden oar]

or if its a good apex dn dance can i just go

[hazy breach]

Sit on 1 stack of mark

Build sht

evis > dance+storm>DN apex>sectech

[maiden oar]

[left ledge]

yeah see

[maiden oar]

how long can i sit

[left ledge]

thats when i cancelaura

and i have no idea how its a dps loss

[maiden oar]

before im doing something bad

[left ledge]

you can sit a solid 5 sec probably idk you want to make sure you have 5sht stacks when you dance

[maiden oar]

ah ok

[left ledge]

but its exactly that situation that makes me utilize a cancelaura

[hazy breach]

Its for backstab damage fwiw

[left ledge]

im at 1 stack, full cp, proc apex

[hazy breach]

so its insanely whatever

But yea

[left ledge]

ye

[maiden oar]

how sensitive to sectech delay is ds

[left ledge]

i wouldnt have to if i wasnt backstabbing

sectec delay?

like getting the sht?

[maiden oar]

like do i want to line this up so i press sectech off cd

[hazy breach]

And it should be lining up pretty well anyway so you dont end up waiting much more than for the 5 sht

[maiden oar]

or if it sits pressable for 2-3s while i make sht is it gg

[left ledge]

uh

you ideally want to press it off cd

but couple seconds shouldnt hurt

[maiden oar]

ok ok

[left ledge]

if you have DN up, sectec up, dance up, you still want to DN before your sectec

[maiden oar]

[left ledge]

its not as high prio as trickster

but its still pretty high

[maiden oar]

how often do u uh

[tight roost]

Do you guys Play Puzzle Box or Guidion in M+, I See a lot of the Best Players Play Guidion but Puzzle Box Sims better

[maiden oar]

sectech halfway thru ur dance

with improved sectech

[left ledge]

only outside of lust on second dance

same as trickster

[maiden oar]

ah ok

[left ledge]

dances are longer on DS

dont forget

[maiden oar]

if they bugfix wm will u do non supercharger sectech more

[left ledge]

your dances are like 9 sec long in cds

[maiden oar]

ic

[hazy breach]

10 gcds* ye

[maiden oar]

ty ty

[left ledge]

oh yeah yeah

its 9.2-9.4 or w/e

so 10 gcds

honestly the most important thing is you apex your DN

outside of that its not too different from trickster

[maiden oar]

[left ledge]

you're just entering low cp vs high

[maiden oar]

ty

[hollow spear]

I can't read "apex dn" without chuckling, what's wrong with me

[left ledge]

you're in glee to hear about deathstalker because you like it so much

[hollow spear]

Ah, I thought it was something more childish but you're probably right

[maiden oar]

@left ledge

is this correct do i just slam strike

until the apex procs

for dn

or is this just getting scammed by 4 sht

[ripe flame]

Is it ideal to apex all the dance DNs? Or just the supercharged ones?

[dense galleon]

Both are super viable, and I think just comes down to preference? Puzzle also sims a little higher for me on big AoE, but guidon is much better in ST and a little behind in AoE. I use guidon because im too lazy for a trinket with a cast time

[obsidian crag]

does hunt embelishment benefits from weapon upgrade?

[left ledge]

all

[left ledge]

yeah you will sometimes have to double strike

thats normal

pooling helps stop it

but it will happen

is what it is

[maiden oar]

ty

and for blades post opener does it usually go like

blades + dance 1 + sectech
dance 2 in blades
dance 3 post blades w sectech off cd

or is it not that way and u do the thing where u sectech latet into 2nd dance in blades and the sectech hits post blades

and its just opener thats special

ik u said u were sick so not sure if i can derive answer from lura log

hope u feel better btw

[ripe flame]

[earnest crane]

does the skyreach dagger even drop

?

havent seen any yet

[weary tree]

Did you sacrifice something to the WoW gods?

Otherwise, no

[earnest crane]

i sacreficed my time on a dead game isnt it enough

[lilac stag]

bonus roll better

it’s that easy

[earnest crane]

i used 4 roll this week and last week on sky

i got all loot table except dagger 😄

[weary tree]

Im only bonus rolling lura

[earnest crane]

for what

[weary tree]

neck

[earnest crane]

craft one

[weary tree]

Yeah no

[somber sun]

He is saving for the badlands rogue set

[plush roost]

Why are u asking about rogue

[graceful rock]

https://tenor.com/view/you-couldn’t-live-thanos-endgame-back-to-me-you-could-not-live-gif-16221515858415007908

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[swift tinsel]

They’ve thrown infinite at me idk

[maiden oar]

im going to cover a few classes

one of them is yellow

i need to know how to be ethical boss damage no pad man

[graceful rock]

I didn’t hit BP at all on my Lura kill

[maiden oar]

i hit colapsing star alot

[graceful rock]

And I still played trickster

[maiden oar]

[graceful rock]

Kaboom

[somber sun]

Army of the dead for me

[graceful rock]

Everytime I ask to play another class the officers say “Obi is our rogue”

[somber sun]

Insane rogue ability

[warm marlin]

Obliterate!

[warm marlin]

this is what they said to me in previous tiers

but after the events of midnight season 1

the walls are breaking down

[maiden oar]

im choosing to believe in 12.1

[alpine wraith]

rogue is quite top tier after the new items thingies

for some reason

[graceful rock]

I’m probably coming in on the unholy at some point in reclear though since all of our warrior mains want to not play dk

[alpine wraith]

we have risen

[maiden oar]

from mushroom man?

[swift tinsel]

I will be meleeman but probably not yellow meleeman

[random mason]

No rn

[maiden oar]

are they still random stats

[plush roost]

I think it has to do with the 7% aura buff

[alpine wraith]

in melee things casters still roll us a bit

[plush roost]

But yknow

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[swift tinsel]

Might even go enh and be a humble Skyfury purveyor to the meleemen

[maiden oar]

i will play every leather melee and then also dk probably

[graceful rock]

I gotta learn how to play frost

[maiden oar]

we love energy as a mechanic

[random mason]

Apart from paladins rogue is really good, at least it was last time i looked at the stats

[swift tinsel]

I’m leaning havoc arms or possibly dk

[wheat edge]

Press the shiny buttons

[graceful rock]

I feel so brain bundled when I play frost in weekly keys

[somber sun]

What's so special about warrior tho

[warm marlin]

obliterate

[somber sun]

Isn't it better to just swap go dk

For raid at least

[maiden oar]

i wonder if i shave my head and put on a red blindfold if i can get an energy bar irl

[random mason]

Yell at your tank to exactly pull for 45s cds

And its really nice

[warm marlin]

ye that spec is banned in keys

but i think fdk is quite hard actually

[wheat edge]

Just play the raid build in keys and do boss damage #fuckfrostbane

[warm marlin]

you just really need to be on the ball reacting to km

[random mason]

You just pre press your shit

With ERW

If you dont have a proc

[swift tinsel]

The random proc kms during pillar

[warm marlin]

ye but because erw is off gcd

[swift tinsel]

Exterminate big fun button tho

Quite a fan

[warm marlin]

you want to wait until your gcd is almost ready to press it then obli

or else you're overwriting km maybe

[random mason]

Its so funny that they give u another charge of ERW in CDs but thats where you can barely spend all your KMs

[swift tinsel]

lol yeppers

[warm marlin]

io is an abomination and rime proc chance should be higher amen

[random mason]

It might be skill issue but i had windows where i could not even find a GCD to ERW beforw

[swift tinsel]

Rime could def use some love

[graceful rock]

I also have no idea wtf Fwfdoes

[swift tinsel]

Pulls

Across the planet

[random mason]

Gives u pillar duration

[warm marlin]

apex big man

[random mason]

And fucks up the pulls bc it stuns forever

[swift tinsel]

I maintain it should circle you like pack leader chimera thing and barrage

Instead of hellfire missile from you

[graceful rock]

Also

Frost doesn’t play rider

So it’s instantly worse

[maiden oar]

i like sanlayn

[warm marlin]

bro u are SO slow on frost

♿

[graceful rock]

I hit a normie deaths advance and thought I didn’t have it bound

[swift tinsel]

Ye not having rider mobility feels realllllll bad

Tho I’m very used to blood

[warm marlin]

go from thanos full ranged spec with rider mobility to wheelchair pure melee guy

[swift tinsel]

Whiplash

[random mason]

I didnt play UH so i dont have that

Its normal when tanking

[warm marlin]

udk is the biggest qol spec in the literal entire game

[graceful rock]

For real

[swift tinsel]

And it’s not even remotely close

[graceful rock]

Give them staves atp

Make it a necromancer spec

[warm marlin]

like mage with shimmer is maybe the only other spec that has that much control

[graceful rock]

Ddh?

[random mason]

They saw how popular ret is and went 'lets just do that even more'

[warm marlin]

ddh is misery bro

[graceful rock]

They’re insanely mobile but also not at the same time it’s weird

[random mason]

More range better mobility

[warm marlin]

u have to perma stick 3s+ casts

[random mason]

Abilities using other abilities for you

[warm marlin]

also udk unironically has more range than ddh

i can hit the elemental run out guy in algethar while my dh cant

how funny

[graceful rock]

I hope ddh goes “melee” build next tier

[random mason]

Clawing shadows is so dumb

[swift tinsel]

It is

It’s a bloated button

[random mason]

Like cant have acro on rogue but thats fine

[warm marlin]

clawing shadows doesnt even do it anymore

[swift tinsel]

Max range, spreads and pops disease, procs ghoul

[warm marlin]

scourge strike is just baseline 30yds

[random mason]

Oh its baseline now? Even better

[swift tinsel]

Ye

It’s the biggest darling spec

[random mason]

Wasnt the spread on the other one

[swift tinsel]

Wym

[maiden oar]

ddh can

it just is very tight

if u find exact max consume range the ring wont hit u

i can find a clip if u want

[random mason]

No its not on festering nvm

[warm marlin]

i believe you

that is still annoying to do tho

[maiden oar]

yes

[swift tinsel]

Festering scythe used to spread festering wounds in aoe

[graceful portal]

Hye guys just killed vaelgor mythic and we're soon gonna go on paladins. I know sub sucks on it so should i consider swapping spec ?

[swift tinsel]

Might be that you’re thinking of

[random mason]

Yeah sorry clawing shadows just makes it chain

[lilac stag]

This is what happens when you scale with haste instead of vers

[swift tinsel]

The most thanos of thanos specs

[warm marlin]

all the rogue specs kind of suck but assa or outlaw are marginally better yes

[random mason]

Its so weird that its so boring to play at the same time

[lilac stag]

Try unholy

[swift tinsel]

It’s kind of a messy playstyle

Tripping over buttons

[random mason]

Like you stack your ghouls and cant even spend them until you need to refresh festering scythe

[swift tinsel]

Yep

Constantly overcapping

Swimming in sudden dooms

[random mason]

You could literally play the spec with a 2 spell cast sequence macro

[warm marlin]

idk i like the fight against overcap

cycle of doom feels good

[random mason]

Sudden doom spender > Scourge strike > sudden doom spender

Hold that down and every 20s you have to press festering strike twice

And use your CDs i guess

[swift tinsel]

I’d prefer if putrefy had scythes effect

And increased tick rate vs needing to cast festering strike and then scythe again

[random mason]

I think they just take that out

Just a weird maintenance buff

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn’t mind that

Ye it’s just a more annoying plaguebringer or whatever the old buff was called

[random mason]

Also that soul reaper spending putrefy thing has to go too

Thats so dumb

[swift tinsel]

It’s criminal

It spends two charges!!

For free.

Which is two free magi

[random mason]

Imagine having A PROC that just sends full CP Coups

[random mason]

It also applies diseases in AoE and generates ghouls

[swift tinsel]

Like imagine hitting evisc in execute and it starts firing off sectechs

[random mason]

And refreshes diseases

[golden thunder]

how do I craft just haste gear?

[swift tinsel]

Once every 12 or so seconds

Oh man

Imagine that in dance

[hazy breach]

Engineering items, aetherlume

[random mason]

No thats boring

[swift tinsel]

When your target is below 35% hp, casting eviscerate during shadow dance conjures akaari’s soul

[upbeat cradle]

My friend's guild raid on chimaerus has a totally well balanced comp

[random mason]

Thats my biggest gripe with UH DK, you basically play a little brother spec

Its like those talent builds where you'd take a dmg loss for an easier way to play the spec

But thats just the best way to play it

[swift tinsel]

I just wanna feel something playing this spec

[upbeat cradle]

You can feel something. Sadness

[bitter hornet]

Yo does someone here know the sweetspot for haste as sub? I know about 700 is fine, but I believe i read somewhere the actual sweetspot is 600-something

[random mason]

Sub? I think sub is a lot more fun than UH DK

[upbeat cradle]

600 if you're a machine

686-700 for humans like us

1100 if deathstalker

[random mason]

585 if you live inside the server actually

[upbeat cradle]

800 if puzzlebox

[bitter hornet]

686 must be what i read then, cheers

[swift tinsel]

They’re kind of a horse apiece for me gameplay-wise, leave a fair bit to be desired

[violet palm]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[random mason]

Yeah I'm gonna go for puzzle box starting next week, see if i like assa

[violet palm]

What was cmd for spreadsheet?

[random mason]

But i think I'll miss the old bleed build memes

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden oar]

[violet palm]

I meant haste spreadsheet

[swift tinsel]

Assassination is arguably my least-favorite spec to play across any specs

[maiden oar]

i miss old shiv

[golden thunder]

do we really need 800 haste with puzzle box in m+?

[upbeat cradle]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[golden thunder]

fml i am already struggling with 700 and raidbots always gives me less

[shrewd lantern]

That's because the bot plays perfect.

[lilac stag]

because the robot isn’t a dad with three kids

[golden thunder]

i will stay just with guidon... the cast sucks anyways

[lilac stag]

it’s not that difficult to get 800 haste

idk why you’d want to play box if you have guidon

That’s messed up.

[upbeat cradle]

I've tried 800 haste with box. Still gonna use guidon with 700

[random mason]

Its either that or outlaw, but i dont think 1200 mastery is particularly good for outlaw

[upbeat cradle]

Bosses are the real bottleneck of m+ anyways. Everyone does tons of AoE already

[golden thunder]

my guidon is just from hc... and raidbots gave me biggest upgrade with box

[bitter hornet]

How long should you wait after using guidon to let the effect kick in?

[hazy breach]

~1s

[shrewd lantern]

People act like the 1s cast of puzzlebox.

The one lost shadowstrike

is gamebreaking

[lucid jackal]

I'm almost done

[shrewd lantern]

im only simming 121k if i upgrade my crit haste neck

[lucid jackal]

Aleria neck lura ring gg

[west tide]

gg

[shrewd lantern]

yeah alleria neck thats why

lura neck is like 1.3k dps for me though

[west tide]

im skippin on the lura ring tf im not gonnna play ds

[lucid jackal]

I'm also not playing ds

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fq9wnsfG9eWsRohzewWyMg

[zenith flare]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west tide]

twin how we sim the same i have no alleria neck

[lucid jackal]

better race? idk

[shrewd lantern]

insane gain

over spire legs

[dense coyote]

im confused aboiut the apex talents ... so do we only want to use finishers when we have 5 stacks of shadow techniques period ?

[west tide]

dude i have 289 tier pants and it was like the sane to get good pants

no alleria neck life man i cant put anything on

[shrewd lantern]

lowkey i might need to send crafted neck

[west tide]

i gotta wear chud ring

[shrewd lantern]

since salad neck is so minimal gain

[west tide]

im wearing the salad neck mythico

[shrewd lantern]

heroic lura neck outsims mythic salad on for me

[west tide]

bro u cant sim u have to play legos

[shrewd lantern]

like my sim straight fiending for mast

[west tide]

700 hasta

[shrewd lantern]

maybe if i pull skyreach boots since ill lose haste wearing those

and im barely at haste bp rn

i also lack a hole on my belt

took only one hole this season, wasted a vault taking a myth head then not even able to upgrade it due to crest debt

and getting a 3/6 in raid anyway

then proceeding to get a 4/6 with hole later

[random mason]

I got avoidance and socket on my helmet froma reroll on first boss today

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah i pulled a chest from a skyreach bonus which is annoying since i already have a max myth

but it had avoidance so yay?

[random mason]

Just gotta grab my guaranteed boots from skyreach and all I'll be missing is one ring for full myth track

[ebon tiger]

anyone know if you can tweak the cdm tracked bars to show tenth of a second increments? trying to be more precise with shadow dance and it gets annoying just seeing it tick down in full seconds

[shrewd lantern]

i got npx rings in 4 bonus rolls

puzzyb in 3

we at 2 for skyreach so far, cloak and chest

[alpine wraith]

i just got nxp ring that i was missing

and have 1 core wonder where i send

[shrewd lantern]

I been sending into skyreach since decent stuff?

well cloak and boots are

dagger is ok lets you have a bit more haste to fiddle with

[random mason]

Voracius dagger doesnt drop

Literally had to roll skyreach down to 2 items to get a myth weapon

If we didnt have the rolls i might still be on crafted plus hc offhand

[shrewd lantern]

i have vora dagger

i just got nowhere really to send bonus rolls unless i want to hoard for windchime+alleria

[sour basalt]

Hey guys, can someone help me to understand why my SIM tell me to get more Mastery or Crit instead of Haste, when I have less than 600 Haste ?

[random mason]

Robot plays witb 0 ping and 50ms input delay on a dummy

[sour basalt]

This is for real the only reason ?

Cuz gap is really giga between haste and mastery idk

[solemn patrol]

stat weights are badge

[sour basalt]

Well it's usually a good basic indication

[fallow nimbus]

No

[solemn patrol]

weighs have been outdated since like bfa

[drifting ether]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[fallow nimbus]

The sim probably goes down to the nearest haste breakpoint, because you have less haste than recommended (700 for humans is like 650 for the computer)

The sim tech is to sim without oils

[hard plinth]

That's a good idea, I was about to ask if there was a way to set a minimum stat for haste you require the sim try and meet before allocating to other stats.

[jade oasis]

should i

send my rolls for nexus point rings

since ei have hero rings

or

save for alleria neck even though i already have mythic ring

hmmmm

alleria neck sims abt the same but issue is

we aren’t gonna reclear

[peak ice]

Doesn’t that answer your question then?

[jade oasis]

eh

it’s still

a hard gamble

i could just send 2 rolls and get bullshit

[hard plinth]

Just cross fingers for Mythic Alleria drops from Vault

[jade oasis]

yeah that’s what im thinking too

i unlock loot pool after kill right?

so i can just kill first 4 in pugs for vault

[peak ice]

Yep

[hard plinth]

Never thought about it, but guess it would make sense that you have to kill the boss on Mythic diff before Vault will start populating that bosses drops

[sour basalt]

So with 550 Haste, I should play haste flask instead of mastery ?

Even if the SIM say I would deal way more with Mast

[peak ice]

It’s making your commit to mast because even with flask you do not hit the breakpoint

[sour basalt]

Breakpoint haste ? or mastery ?

[peak ice]

Haste

[sour basalt]

Flask is 165

Breakpoint is 700 ?

No ?

[swift tinsel]

If you’re at 550 haste then ye you’d play haste flask

[earnest crane]

exact 800 Haste 😄

[swift tinsel]

Assuming you have guidon, otherwise you want 800

[small sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[sour basalt]

But 700 with Guidon right ?

[swift tinsel]

Yes

[earnest crane]

yea

[sour basalt]

Ok so with flask I have a bit more than 700

[earnest crane]

w8 u are the brew monk ?

[sour basalt]

Yes I am 🙂

Trying to understand Subrogue for a friend

[earnest crane]

i know u did some runs with u

[swift tinsel]

It’s okay to be over 700 by a lil bit

Just more leeway

But you don’t want to start going to like 720+ or so

[sour basalt]

But I still don't understand why the SIM tell me I will deal wayyyyy more dmg with Mastery flask so 🥲

[dense coyote]

wheni get the combo point refund from uh ... ancient arts do i spend the refunded points ? or use a builder again to get ancient arts again ?

[swift tinsel]

The sim doesn’t need as much haste buffer

It plays perfectly with minimal delay

Which people can’t really achieve for the most part

[sour basalt]

Ye ok, I just can't accept it's the only reason for this huge gap idk, I'm just delusional

[small sleet]

Can you link the sim that says that?

[swift tinsel]

Spend unless it’s a supercharged finisher and you don’t have the buff to proc clone

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[earnest crane]

i still prefer puzzle box in m+

[small sleet]

Pbox STINK

[swift tinsel]

It’s a little tricky to model the haste breakpoint for sims bc you can’t make it aim for a certain haste value or range

[earnest crane]

i have both but i use puzzle box

[swift tinsel]

But between crit and mastery you’re pretty fine with either with whatever gear achieves the 700/800 haste

[small sleet]

Sim should most likely be saying go over haste is better than being under though

[swift tinsel]

So the robot is helpful but won’t give an exact snapshot

Can be extra and manually add up your haste lol

Then fiddle with gems and swapping jewelry

But secondaries are pretty minimal beyond just getting appropriate haste values

[sour basalt]

Ye ok I see, will just tell my friend to go Haste flask and should be all good

[swift tinsel]

Yeah whatever gets them to the right haste between flask, gems, and mana oil

[peak ice]

Needs to be above 684 to fit the additional gcd into the rotation

[swift tinsel]

Should set them up

[earnest crane]

too many warlocks here

[swift tinsel]

Huh

[rapid fjord]

if im running emberwing feather do i wait for every other shadowblades?

[hazy breach]

Yes, but i would recommend to run something else

[lean summit]

The “is shadow dance up” implies that I am in shadow dance correct?

[swift tinsel]

Yes

[lean summit]

ty

[zenith flare]

so its better to send st without apex ?

[west tide]

it says i lost 200 dps replacing my 276 ring with a 285 crafted hmm

i call cap..

cause itll let me put more mastery elsewhere and gem..

[lavish night]

Hi, does this work ?

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique
/use Light's Potential
or should i put the potion in first ? i've never used macros before

[patent crystal]

apex only buffs the physical part of sectech

[zenith flare]

potion first as it goes out before all of these casts making the st hit with potion buff

[lavish night]

ty :)

[spring viper]

do you guys have any advice on eternal voidsong chain? I know it can be hard to sim, I have a heroic version deciding on either crafting bracers or a neck

[swift tinsel]

it frees up needing a lot of haste in other slots

even at hero track

[rapid fjord]

It’s that or puzzle box and sims say feather for aoe. Only other option I have is the passive haste proc trinket

[short radish]

Use the free void trinket

And use pbox

[lusty acorn]

who can craft finger >

?

[rapid fjord]

But puzzle box is same dilemma of do I hold 2nd shadow blades for it or sit on pbox till 3rd use. My other trinket is 298 prism so can’t decide on what the other slot should be cause it’s either 2min haste or pbox.

With potion of recklessness and pbox I will be way to farm into diminishing returns and that’s why I believe sims are telling me to use feather. Only middle ground is running my 285 wind charm with recklessness

[short radish]

Are you talking m+ or raid

[short radish]

Don't use feather.

[rapid fjord]

M+

[short radish]

Pbox you do every 2nd use

Cast sblade off cooldown

You can do some minor minmax holding for big packs

But pbox is a 3min cd essentially

[rapid fjord]

Damn so I sit on pbox that long?

[fossil frost]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[rapid fjord]

Heart of wind* was the other tpassive trinket option to run with prism

[surreal orbit]

on crown - when should 2nd pot be timed

[short radish]

Yes

[short radish]

It sucks. Run the void trinket

[fossil forge]

@short radish

wats ur quicksim boss

[short radish]

Idk havent simmed in ages. Maybe 118k?

[torpid echo]

So I was farming pit legs and along the way I also got the neck from there as well, so I did some sims.

ST sims values it alot more than the crafted one (with haste/mastery) while the 3 and 5 target sims prefers the crafted one. No surprise there... BUT I did a dungeon slice run and both the pit neck and the crafted one worst than my current one... Thoughts?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8u9QjTnBKxVLEkoTczqxed (Dungeon Slice)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9iQ35avwcYgoWeVBYu2LWt (3 targets)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ob1cE2bPmv9CEF4ZEBCFQg (5 targets)

[wicked urchin]

the one time i die and its on the l'ura kill pull

REEEE

boss dead though im happy

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[swift tinsel]

dungeon slice is funny with the haste breakpoints

[wicked urchin]

dog doesnt get soaked and literally only kills me

in the middle of the group

[sullen shell]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[torpid echo]

what should i do then? go for the mastery crafted one as it's overall better in more situation than the pit one? I don't lack haste. On the other hand sim is telling me to chug crit flask so mastery super high

[surreal orbit]

im hitting #1 dps on the first add on crown but tapering off hard, waiting about 10s to send CDs, what can I do better to maintain on the 2nd and 3rd adds

[crystal atlas]

Paladins as Sub is disgusting jesus

[wicked urchin]

photos taken moments before disaster

[plush roost]

I was hate watching you 8)

I mena

Lovewatching

[dusky yacht]

Anybody got the priority potential + blades + dance + sec tec macro at hand? And does just writing /use light’s potential actually prioritise fleeting/higher ranks now again aswell? For some reason this stopped working a while back for me and Stealthi wrote me a blades + prio pot macro using the actual uhh.. Item.. Numbers?

I should prolly update mine, I been doing priority pot + blades and then dancetec macro but might make my life a bit easier if I start combining them all for blades

[sharp bolt]

Just did some Sims for ST and AOE specs
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oUZUZrbUGa8ncUSNXfMcHB
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u8MayZcAwScTeXZrsxzrFP

Seems right based on what I currently have. Definately need to upgrade my Guidon. Next week is guaranteed. Of course it has to be the last item bonus rolled. 😮‍💨

[dusky yacht]

I was parsing super high on prog, while being bottom dps, lmao

[crystal atlas]

74 at 148k lol

Any tips for Alleria??

[dusky yacht]

Wait with cooldowns until stacks are up on mini bosses

[wicked urchin]

i heard

playing well basically the whole boss and killing on one of the few awful pulls is such a feelsbad

happy its dead though

[surreal orbit]

getting obelisk'd over and over sucks so much lol

[hushed roost]

pog straight into dk for lura KEKW

[left ledge]

lura is now at 3% DS

PUMP THE NUMBERS UP

[cerulean mirage]

do you still use the crafted weapon? or just 2 mythic ones

[tribal blade]

repeating myself for the 10th time i need to set up DS

[dusky yacht]

Hey bro have you set up Nintendo DS

[tribal blade]

NOT YET I NEED TO SET THAT UP

[zenith flare]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[zenith flare]

Why do top logs use double evi if this is correct? Dont you you ancient arts then shadowstrike for a new aa ?

Imexile also doesnt sometimes does this sometimes he doesnt its making my brain hurt

Oh i get it if its there is a super charged combo. This is so that we dont waste empowerment on eviscerate instead of st or cdg

[brisk onyx]

❌

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/techno-tronic-pump-up-the-jam-pump-it-up-get-a-move-on-techno-gif-16658962

[tribal blade]

BIRD IS DEAD

thank god

[halcyon star]

So in my parses I see my secret techniques is really low compared to top parsers, any tips?

[flint parrot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

are you making sure to supercharge every sectec besides 2nd in blades

[halcyon star]

Yup

[tribal blade]

are you also lining up dances with add spawns on certain fights

it can also be a mast diff

[halcyon star]

That I could probably do better at

[tribal blade]

or sectec crits diff

[halcyon star]

Im grey parsing every fight for some reason

[tribal blade]

you can use the !log command to post a log for someone to review

[halcyon star]

Oh wow thanks

[dense coyote]

So I understand that if shadowdance is up , we have 5 or more shadow techniques , we have supercharged combo points and we don’t currently have ancient arts up after we get refunded we essentially go right into another builder for the second supercharged spender correct ? Then anything out of those conditions we spend the refunded combo points from from ancient arts ? … so in between shadow dances … do we backstab up to 5 stacks of shadow techniques ?or just spend normally without playing around the apex talents during that time ? I’m kinda confused :/

[lucid jackal]

It sounds liek ur just overthinking it lol

If you have 5 shadow technique, sc, and are in dance, you press another builder before spending

If these 3 conditions aren't meant, you ignore this optimization

[dense coyote]

Ok

[halcyon star]

!log

[small sleet]

bros i need someone to figure out the optimal way for sub rogue to play crawth

i try different things and they all feel the same and i cant do it anymore im tweaking out im losing it man

[peak ice]

Is there any mechanic other than the balls in that fight

[small sleet]

i mean cd timings

cuz like

if you send on pull you can get 3 cd sets in

but if you hold for burn you only get 2

[radiant swift]

the initial hit and the clones of stec hit all targets is that correct?

[small sleet]

yes

[radiant swift]

so subs prio dmg is basicaly coup here and there and strike in low target cleave?

[small sleet]

sectech hits harder on main target too

[radiant swift]

oh i see

[small sleet]

lashe macabre also adds a decent little bit of prio

[radiant swift]

yeah tought so

thats not too bad

[small sleet]

unseen blade also contributes a bit

our prio isnt crazy but its not the worst ever either

bunch of smaller effects that all add up

[radiant swift]

ye

[tame terrace]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[warm marlin]

Are you not doing fire second

[small sleet]

generally second cd set comes up a little after 75% where everyone does wind, then with haste buff you push past 45% before cds come back up

ive been sending second cds with haste orb even though it feels mediocre

if i hold all the way for burn phase it'd take forever to get there and i wouldnt get to send again before fight ended

[hollow spear]

How much of an amp is it actually?

[warm marlin]

i had the same experience on unholy

idk u def cant be in sub 35% too long

feel like its a hold angle unless you can get the 3rd cd set in

[upper cosmos]

if I step to the boss during intermission where do I end up? (assuming it doesn't kill me since I haven't tried it) cause I think we usually phase between circle and skull but getting to my spot takes forever

especially since I have to pass off my crystal to a tank via ping

circle is entrance for reference btw

[small sleet]

75% i think

[shut dawn]

Pugged mythic imperator, said fuck it and sent my bonus rolls, actually got myth guidon. We up baby

[small sleet]

working on 21 aa right now and 3:30 crawth would be insanely fast so 3 cd sets is pretty guaranteed

[hollow spear]

Ig that would be a bit more damage

[small sleet]

reason i dont think its worth to hold is cuz the burn only lasts 12s of your 20s long cds

idk i need to play with a spec that can push 75 to 45 by itself with the haste buff lmao

[short radish]

Im so glad they made haste a good stat for sub rogue. Well done blizzard

[warm marlin]

I personally found the 40% haste buff stronger than waiting for fire on unholy

just get one of those red guys

im sure there are plenty

[small sleet]

i play most of my keys with destro lock and enh shaman

[tiny sable]

is it always so bad to get invited to myth chim

[hollow spear]

Pretty not great, yeah

[lilac stag]

Just have death grip

[hollow spear]

You mean a raid buff?

[lilac stag]

Nah is not a raid buff.

[hollow spear]

I thought it was 🤔

[lilac stag]

Clearly it’s not. Which is why DK is tuned high.

[hollow spear]

But I sure am glad that it's not mandatory on at least 2 fights a tier

That would kinda suck tbh

[lilac stag]

Imagine needing to bring a dps with a defensive raid buff on a healing check encounter. I could never.

[short radish]

Same reason warlocks are also tuned high. Because they dont have a raid buff

[lilac stag]

Warlocks aren’t people.

[short radish]

💯

[spring trellis]

What's the best way to sim for Belo'ren mythic egg burn?

[tiny sable]

ok so life hates me and lights company wont drop for me so i am sitting around 749 haste i have vers haste boots and i can change a gem around to get 800 haste but the sim tells me dont what do yall think

[peak ice]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[tiny sable]

ok so its just better to force the 800

[keen steppe]

Warlocks are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXX8URSUWm0

[dusky yacht]

We did it boys full myth track

[tiny sable]

Huge

[dusky yacht]

Rate my new blades macro

[tidal solstice]

is stopcasting important

[dusky yacht]

Stealthi added it and it fixed something somehow but I don't remember what or how exactly

[short radish]

Stopcasting puzzlebox

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/high-five-snl-WKdPOVCG5LPaM

[short radish]

Probably something to do with the potions

[dusky yacht]

Yeah it was something weird going on for me when I tried to do the potion thing

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/hellreiser-caja-de-los-lamentos-hellraiser-cenobitas-clave-del-lamento-gif-12026158882462229614

[dusky yacht]

Like I don't actually know what's going on I'm just pressing buttons

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[peak ice]

Ello

[halcyon star]

Is shadow blades being before shadow dance important?

[empty bobcat]

not really

[ornate heron]

my healer for some reason cant see the green HP bar over the crystals you have to heal on lura. does anyone know why?

[grim wasp]

At this rate we gonna be on single button assist soon hardly anything to press on sub

[halcyon star]

Thanks!

[alpine wraith]

dont worry people will break their head with new DS things

[dusky yacht]

16 Xenas, man I was 200k+ overall before it became obvious pally and shammy were slacking interrupts on the light eles at the end

Criminal

[foggy estuary]

Kick chad spotted

Lol at pala dmg, he wasnt pressing buttons? 🙃 - meta class btw

[upbeat cradle]

Queued 2hours to try to get the last two i need for resi 17 yesterday, got into a key finally, start, go to first pack, wipe. Log off.

What a great evening i had boys

[dusky yacht]

Bro it was so bad, he was looking away from the light ele casting while targetting me when I was at 20% hp, feint up, cloak cooldown, vanish cooldown

Mfw

[foggy estuary]

Ugh

[dusky yacht]

Just another day on World of Warcraft with no boosted accounts trust

[empty bobcat]

is this box or guidon?

[dusky yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[foggy estuary]

The qs are gradually getting more horrible

[empty bobcat]

my tank is pulling too lightly for that kinda dmg sadly

[upbeat cradle]

Did my own PoS 17 tho and saw a poor sub rogue tag so i invited him as my good action of the day (i'm the mechagnome guess who i am)

[upbeat cradle]

My queues have always been terrible except maybe in legion and BfA when shroud was useful

[dusky yacht]

The tank and healer were chads ngl but I wanted to finish that dungeon without dying or screw ups so bad bro it would've been the sickest meters yet for me

[dusky yacht]

You're the priests' socks

[foggy estuary]

Like i get declined on 288 full bis rogue 3.4 orange/purple logs from 10s. Dk insta invite 8 ilvels lower. ULTRAPOG.

Ngl high keys are ok for the 15-18 in rogue q wise, but the 10-12 q is hell now.

[upbeat cradle]

I tried to greed the last boss and shadowstep to avoid the freezing blast at the last second and it didn't work or i failed

Not sure why i wanted to try it in a 17

[foggy estuary]

Legion rogue bis. Good luck timing 22+ dakheart with no tunnel skip, or blackrook with no start skip.

[empty bobcat]

write something funny in the notes

[upbeat cradle]

All worked out tho only the hunter died

[empty bobcat]

it works for me sometimes

[foggy estuary]

I always write “dont be npc. Meta doesnt matter. I will top your meters, inv”

[dusky yacht]

full myth track 3.4 and so on too, bro I get declined by 270 ilvl people daily, it's like they haven't realised yet that sub rogue isn't trash anymore kek

[empty bobcat]

yeah thats probably why you get declined xD

[dusky yacht]

I got declined for a 10 key earlier like excuse me

[upbeat cradle]

I usually write ''i'll report you for mechagnome discrimination ''

Works sometimes

[dusky yacht]

I should threaten them with female panda flirtation harassment

[upbeat cradle]

So close to 3.6k rio

[dusky yacht]

[upbeat cradle]

Top 1% definitely doable

[empty bobcat]

seen 4k yesterday in Q

[upbeat cradle]

Yeah same

Someone in my guild has 4k too

Quite a few are popping up

[empty bobcat]

no idea how ppl do it especially pugging on that lvl??

[foggy estuary]

You stuck on hc rings as well? I feel for you brovits 🥲

[empty bobcat]

I can hardly complete any 16s with a pug

[upbeat cradle]

When I do my own keys tho i tend to invite random classes i never see

Besides a sham

Always bring skyfury with you

[vale pine]

think thats fine if you don't do super high ones

[keen steppe]

Friend of mine was list his +10 he got in second like 150 people with people they had 3,7k +

[upbeat cradle]

Tonight i ll do my MT18 and everything will be alright

[dusky yacht]

Nah I just got full myth track today but no crests yet I was nightshifting

[foggy estuary]

Its just a flex i think. I start seeing “relax” in +22 the past days. Like, my brother in christ, no way its relaxed if its pug and 22.

[empty bobcat]

yeah u def want a sham

[upbeat cradle]

All you need is a sham

[empty bobcat]

glad I have 2 in my group :3

[foggy estuary]

Maybe if pug is only echo method liquid or fsy maybe 🫠😂

[upbeat cradle]

Even if they don't press buttons they just need to press BL and SF

😂

That's all I'm asking of them

[upbeat cradle]

Nah they say it's relax because it's resi and you'll do it for a few hours anyways

[empty bobcat]

if you have 2 sham an a mage you probably get no BL because either thinks the other does it

[upbeat cradle]

May as well chill and not burn out

[foggy estuary]

Yeah i get it, but doesnt feel “relaxed”🫠

[upbeat cradle]

16s are fine

17s are also okayish

18 you start seeing monkeys again tho

Mostly me i m the monkey

My guild name is monkey business and i'm here to do business

[empty bobcat]

I had a tank that made the tiniest pulls ever in a 16s and i politely asked him to pull more bc no way we gonna time this

I wonder how ppl get to 3.3k+ with that kinda playstyle

[dusky yacht]

My gf started her own guild, she's new, playing resto druid and we got a tank in it who is also new and I've been "coaching them", the guy said "we're like monkeys running after you everywhere and not understanding the simplest things"

And now it's our meme