subtlety

[fossil forge]

doesnt matter we up

[coral bear]

dude my pc is being acoustic

i cant copy paste

[upbeat cradle]

acoustic ? musical ?

or autistic

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-acoustic-i-think-i-am-acoustic-miku-hatsune-gif-12290829300813518257

[small sleet]

I resimmed this single target with optimal raid buffs and it’s showing the haste pants to be significantly worse than the crit ones

So something was maybe off with how you set the sim options. Idk I’m on my phone so it’s hard to look at it easily

[vagrant lynx]

ohh

[coral bear]

restarting pc...

[vagrant lynx]

i put no raid buffs except i put on the phoenix oil so haste stat is correct

[somber sun]

is there a dungeon with good drop table and has head/shoulder that is worth rolling for ?

[coral bear]

ok its fixed now

wtf

[small sleet]

I’m not sure why that would make it want haste tbh

[empty bobcat]

I think there is none with head/shoulder

[vagrant lynx]

yea exactly

[trail rover]

can you even get above 123k ST without vantus ? seems to be close for pandas if you sim with double oils but almost noone above 122k

[coral bear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

iirc seat has both but it has a huge loot pool

[empty bobcat]

true

Im rolling skyreach for shoulder

[swift tinsel]

it has every tier slot and I think 2x rings and a trinket

possibly another item

officially done rolling for the season

[empty bobcat]

missing shoulder/hands

🙁

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/nanami-nanami-kento-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-gif-9721827202022859485

just need crests now

and a socket for bracers next week

[fossil forge]

recraft all crests

[empty bobcat]

Im sitting at 6 flux, 300 crests

[undone cliff]

What is best dungeon dagger for sub? I’ve been rolling pit

[swift tinsel]

I have just cloak and bracers to max from 276

so a handful of runs

[empty bobcat]

pit or skyrach

[coral bear]

How do i do it?

[empty bobcat]

but nexus also fine if u just need some more haste

[coral bear]

please help 🙁

[shut dawn]

Is it worth sending bonus rolls on myth imperator for light guideon

[empty bobcat]

yes

[swift tinsel]

if its your last roll

[shut dawn]

Dope thx

[swift tinsel]

do you have champ/hero guidon?

[empty bobcat]

in case u got alnseer already

[small sleet]

I think I sim above 123 without vantus but I don’t remember. I can check. If anything, with perfect gear you would

[shut dawn]

No, I have heroic gaze and myth feather

[empty bobcat]

then Id roll for myth gaze

and try farm heroic guidon

[swift tinsel]

guidon will net better than hero to myth gaze

by replacing feather

[empty bobcat]

go 800 haste and replace the feather with something else idk

[shut dawn]

Heroic guidon is better than myth feather?

[empty bobcat]

until u get guidon

and roll for gaze imho

yes

[swift tinsel]

yes

by virtue of being a 1.5min cd vs 2

[pure grail]

Is there a way to sim sub? I have no haste trinket. So my haste cap is 800 and raidbots is using 650. Does this break raidbot completly?

[undone cliff]

Oh yeah

[upbeat cradle]

If you mean WS feather then yes

[shut dawn]

Gotcha. Thx

[swift tinsel]

your highest prio is getting guidon

[empty bobcat]

get a heroic paw from delves

[coral bear]

Ok im doing it i think

[empty bobcat]

and replace the feather to get 800 haste + gaze

[cursive oar]

during shadow blades my 2nd shadow dance just wont go off right after the first one ends, is this a bug?

[small sleet]

You can just sim it, the sim knows you don’t have guidon and accounts for that

[empty bobcat]

probably sims better until u get guidon

[trail rover]

would be interesting to know whats the limit/bis highest I have seen was around 122,7k

[somber sun]

maisara cavern looks lowkey good

[somber sun]

cancer dungeon tho

[empty bobcat]

or go box or get a good passive trinket if u have the haste for it

[swift tinsel]

if you miss the haste snapshot it will act like it extended dance but not grant the actual duration

[empty bobcat]

sir ur mouse is dying

[coral bear]

no

NOOO

[somber sun]

razer

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-gif-26849967

[upbeat cradle]

i'm gonna try to ignore adds and do only boss damage on averzian to see how well I parse

[empty bobcat]

below tank probably

[small sleet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bnb7QDbHfmQan3chpvQZuu

thats my sim, higher than i expected tbh

[empty bobcat]

u guys doing crazy numbers.... Im at 114k T_T

[sharp seal]

got same numbers as trickster

[small sleet]

thats with vantus on

[coral bear]

!WAIT HOW

[small sleet]

i dont have vantus on in my sim

[coral bear]

u got neck?

[small sleet]

no

[coral bear]

Neck?

[sharp seal]

PIT neck, nexus ring set

[small sleet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nsQwtPn8N4m1ciuBiioH7M

[coral bear]

Can u send

ur sim

[small sleet]

this is my sim with vantus on

[coral bear]

id like to inspect ur character ifpossible

if u dont mind giving me ur credit card info, and the link of ur sim

i wanna see how i ccan optimize beetter

[empty bobcat]

haste flask???

[small sleet]

to reach 1100 haste for deathstalker yea

[coral bear]

ya

[sharp seal]

dm'ed you the link

[coral bear]

oh

thank u brother man

[empty bobcat]

OH its DS xD

never simmed on that spec

[coral bear]

1brother is just him

OOOH i didnt ptu ventus and voidtouched

oops

give me a second

[empty bobcat]

lemme check if I can get 1100 haste :3

[hallow mortar]

damn this game, season is over and i still stuck on hero guidon 😄

cant even roll it

[small sleet]

keep in mind ds is only better in pure st

[coral bear]

💀

[empty bobcat]

yeha I know

[empty bobcat]

Im still try it 🙂

[coral bear]

U still do more damage than me

as trickster

fuccc

[hallow mortar]

flask choise is fun one too

i guees get the cheapest 😄

[upbeat cradle]

mastery is better for AoE tho

[hallow mortar]

true

[sharp seal]

it says I need mastery flask in ST since we switched from weapon master to finality

[tacit hare]

any chease for 18 magisters? Only difficult part should be glaive throwers and 3rd boss no?

[small sleet]

3rd boss? do you mean 4th? 3rd boss is pretty easy

[tacit hare]

surviving wise

[small sleet]

most dangerous part of that key is definitely the hallway with the glaive throwers

if you're targeted by glaives, you can vanish and it wont recast. tank should only have one healer in each pull so the healer can keep up with the little holy shock dispel things

swap to wound poison after 2nd boss for the adds that do the consuming shadows cast

[small sleet]

generally the higher the key level goes, the healing check on the 4th boss becomes very difficult, whereas most of the damage on the 3rd boss can be mitigated with good defensives

[tacit hare]

puddle placement is what im afraid of.. if someone messes that up and i step on it its gg

but ye, healing on 4th boss is intense

[small sleet]

yeah everyone should place the puddles on the wall or in the center

[tacit hare]

ye

[coral bear]

bro

no one PLAYS DEATHSTALKER

looking at wacraftlogs

LMFAO

1 single guy on Lura

2 on bel

[small sleet]

before this week it was too hard to swing the haste

[coral bear]

😭

true

[small sleet]

i think more ds logs will pop up, but trickster is better at padding so people who want to parse will stick with it since its not crazy behind in st

[coral bear]

is damage meter bugged

details

[small sleet]

in what way

its got like 100 bugs

[upbeat cradle]

if you mean the diff between detials and lots it's mostly because the wow damage meter doesn't take into accounts downtime between pulls

that's why logs are always lower

[coral bear]

just isnt updating

live updating damage

[small sleet]

click current segment again

there's been a bug ive been getting where it randomly gets stuck on an old pull

[coral bear]

Its so weird

to shuriken storm

right after dance

in deathstalker

dance shuriken eviserate rather than secret tec 😭

[left ledge]

why is it weird

[coral bear]

fucking my bnrain up

[small sleet]

you get used to it very fast

[coral bear]

Cause its a different logic from trickster

[left ledge]

you dont HAVE to evis first

thats only if you have DN up

[coral bear]

Trickster = SuperCharge Secret tech into ur Coup the grace (try to get both)

and death stalker is (Just eviserate lil bro)

Isnt it better

to wait that i have

DN

1st?

before i dance

[left ledge]

no

[coral bear]

to double supercharge it

u sure?

[small sleet]

u want 1 mark left right?

[left ledge]

trickster is the braindead one

ideally 1 mark

but sometimes you cant get that

[small sleet]

go in with 1 mark, sectech to proc dn

[left ledge]

its not worth to force

[small sleet]

yea

[coral bear]

But u lose a supercharge on ur evis

[left ledge]

sometimes you have 2 marks and dance+sectec is up

so you just send

[small sleet]

wdym

[left ledge]

you just lose supercharge on DN

as long as you apex the supercharge and apex DN

you're fine

even if you dont its like

3%

[coral bear]

Whats DN already :p

[small sleet]

darkest night

[coral bear]

oh okok

[small sleet]

guaranteed crit evis that reapplies the mark

[coral bear]

Cause i was looking at the raidbot sim rotation

they ONLY dance when they have DN

100% rate

[left ledge]

yes DS wants to dance with DN

but it also wants to dance with sectec

[empty bobcat]

so you track the buff?

[left ledge]

yes you have to on DS

if you dont track mark you cant play DS efficiently

[empty bobcat]

hm might try today

[small sleet]

same idea as tracking coup really, just a bit more important

[coral bear]

Is it better to Vanish shadowstrike into Evis DN
or Vanish Shuriken into evis DN?

[empty bobcat]

can easily get to 1100 haste, DS wants crit though?

[coral bear]

why would they want crit?

its a confirmed crit on evis no?

[empty bobcat]

ah yes makes sense

[coral bear]

better to get mastery for a stronger finisher?

[empty bobcat]

Im very mastery heavy

[small sleet]

no reason to shuriken storm

[empty bobcat]

should be good 1100 haste seems no problem with flask

[left ledge]

crit and mastery are both good on DS

[forest mirage]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bMKVwn1fcLtp3Z9P?fight=last&type=casts&source=5

[empty bobcat]

u use different order on opener right? like I go into dance with no CP ?

[grim wasp]

We need 1100 haste now? Not 700?

[left ledge]

1100 is for deathstalker

not trickster

[coral bear]

dance macabre?

[grim wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[upbeat cradle]

oh if i craft engineering bracers and boots with haster i'd only be 50 haste short of 1100

[left ledge]

yes

[coral bear]

for dance macabre +100 crit

[left ledge]

DS is low cp

trickster is high CP

[upbeat cradle]

oh wait no 14 forgot oils

seems like i could give it a try

[small sleet]

dn is guaranteed crit

woops

[empty bobcat]

ima try today 🙂 just need to get used to DN

[small sleet]

wrogn person

[surreal orbit]

im intrigued by the DS train but 50 haste short

[grim wasp]

Thanks king but trickester is better right?

[upbeat cradle]

trickster is better overall

[left ledge]

trickster is better for aoe

[upbeat cradle]

there always are something you can pad on

[left ledge]

DS is better for ST

idk i mean i wouldve rank 1 lura overall

[grim wasp]

Ds is for efficient solid damage on boss?

[left ledge]

if i didnt troll two blades

[surreal orbit]

DS for crown?

[left ledge]

yes DS is good for boss damage

its just bad at cleave and aoe

[coral bear]

Can u tell me the logic behind Shuriken storm instantly after dance? is it for macabre + premiditation?

[upbeat cradle]

for CP

because shadowstrike has a slight delay

[grim wasp]

Thanks G i want to pad i should stay trickester then

[upbeat cradle]

before being able to use it after dance

[coral bear]

CP?

Combo points

oh

[upbeat cradle]

ye

[coral bear]

So why not do it when i vanish?

[upbeat cradle]

i think it takes like 0.5s for game to aknowledge you can use shadowstrike after shadowdance or something

[small sleet]

because the slight delay doesnt matter when you vanish because youre not in shadow dance

its more like .2s

[left ledge]

so when you're going into dance you are GCD locked by default as rogue, the problem with current sub is our haste scales our dance duration to something within the .x place, so the thing is we would ideally want to shadowstrike but shadowstrike is only available after you stance switch to stealth/dance and that has a delay so because your dance is like 9.2 sec or w/e if you try to strike you're losing some of that .x time and you'll end up losing a GCD due to that, storm doesnt require waiting for the stance swap and so can be used instantly

[upbeat cradle]

as DS, if you got 2 stacks of DN, you wanna wait to use one before going into dance ?

[left ledge]

if sectec is up you're not waiting

[small sleet]

also if you're entering dance with dn up, shuriken storming first allows you to apex your dn evis

[upbeat cradle]

so basically playt it like trickster

[upbeat cradle]

that just matters for the second dance in blade i suppose

[left ledge]

no dont play it like trickster

[coral bear]

Do I instantly Shuriken-Dance, or Dance-Shuriken, wondering if theres like a animation,travel time or something

curious

[empty bobcat]

flask + neck 🙂

Im all set bois

[coral bear]

32WAIT IT WORKS

I DANCED > SHURIKEN AND IT PROCED

LOL

OPS

SHURIKEN - DANCE

[left ledge]

you dance on low combo points and you are prioritizing apex on supercharged (this one is like trickster) and all DN casts

[small sleet]

macro it the same way you macro shadow dance > sectech

[surreal orbit]

how much of a crime is it to dance knowing youll have Sectec off CD for like 3-5 before you get another charge of dance

[left ledge]

you just macro dance storm

[coral bear]

Oh, it only works if i have clone

[left ledge]

on what

[coral bear]

ok

[left ledge]

trickster or DS

[surreal orbit]

trick

[small sleet]

kinda bad

[left ledge]

outside of blades thats bad

[small sleet]

no reason to do it

[left ledge]

just wait for sectec

[small sleet]

outside of blades

[left ledge]

inside of blades if its your second dance you wont have sectec up until the tail end of the dance

[surreal orbit]

gotcha was just curious, ive been holding

[left ledge]

yeah trickster just holds for sectec everytime (outside of second dance in blades)

sectec very strong on trickster

[upbeat cradle]

GUYS MY RAID LEAD SAID I COULD SOAK THREE AOE ON CHIMAERUS

i'm gonna be padding like crazy

[left ledge]

isnt that bad

i thought the shield hp was more less than the mob hp

or less sorry

if its more thats good for pad ig

[small sleet]

i prefer the "accidentally" miss your soak, and stay on boss the whole fight

[left ledge]

yeah ngl ive been too low energy to pad for the past few expansions lmao

[upbeat cradle]

sometimes the big adds takes too long to die on our second group, so at least i'll be there to make it die faster

[small sleet]

i cant stand going into down phase, popping blades, and they all get phased with 12s left on blades

feels so stupid running back to boss

[upbeat cradle]

i think that only happens on the second add pop ?

[swift tinsel]

first soak feels nice bc you can farm coup into a fresh post-blades sectech

and onetap all the mobs

but ye first soak after intermish is bad times

[surreal orbit]

ive been doing hella raids and im actually out of cata charges? are they bugged?

[empty bobcat]

ok tracking DN is pretty easy, one question - I am used to start dance with sectec, on DS you wanna dance and evis first to consume DN then sectec right?

[real panther]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[empty bobcat]

so at least fit a buffed evis and a sectec into dance right?

or is it ok to dance without sectec

[swift tinsel]

you wanna sc both dn and sectech if you can

especially sc apex dn

[upbeat cradle]

is DN evi higher prio than sectech ?

[swift tinsel]

yes

for ds sectech isn't as strong

and a supercharged apexed dn is huge

[small sleet]

you want to dn first to remark the boss so your sectech takes a mark away also

[empty bobcat]

so when I get the buff I always wanna have a dance rdy right?

then evis then continue with everything else

[real panther]

there is no deminishing return on crit? it says mast=crit, but at what point should I all in mastery?

[left ledge]

wym by buff

DN?

[empty bobcat]

yea

[left ledge]

no

[empty bobcat]

its a buff right?

[small sleet]

you wont be able to use dance on every single darkest night

[left ledge]

you will be sending DN alone at times

[empty bobcat]

ok ic

[swift tinsel]

you just want a good mix of crit and mastery while getting the appropriate number of haste

[empty bobcat]

ah ok

icic

[left ledge]

you want to make sure your dance can fit a sectec in it

[swift tinsel]

lean more on mastery if you can but that's up to your available gear

[empty bobcat]

so I just dont care about DN? xD like how to I optimize for it

[left ledge]

you do care

[swift tinsel]

you care a lot

[left ledge]

you proc apex for it

[empty bobcat]

I dont get it hahaa

[real panther]

i have 886 865 (no buff)... I'm too high on crit no ?

[left ledge]

but you dont just send dances purely for DN

[swift tinsel]

see me saying you want to sc apex it

[empty bobcat]

sure but I do if I can right?

[left ledge]

not if you cant sectec

[swift tinsel]

that's fine

[left ledge]

so lets say sectec is 4 sec away

and you have DN

[swift tinsel]

it really doesn't matter

[left ledge]

you can dance

[empty bobcat]

so like I have it up and cant dance so I just do a regular evis and then maybe on the next DN i can dance right?

[left ledge]

if sectec is like 12 sec away

and you have DN

you're not dancing

[real panther]

ok thx

[swift tinsel]

just get 700 haste and whatever crit/mastery you have with that gear

can aim for heavier mastery if you want

[real panther]

yeah i have

[empty bobcat]

yeah ok I get that so its liek trickster

[real panther]

all good then

[swift tinsel]

but it doesn't reall matter

[empty bobcat]

I can dance if sectec is 5s away

[real panther]

noted

[empty bobcat]

for example

[left ledge]

yes

[small sleet]

you shouldnt dance on trickster when sectech is 5s away

[left ledge]

thats fine

[empty bobcat]

cool cool

[upbeat cradle]

anyways, i'll try the 3 soak strat to pad and will cmoe back with my results later on

[small sleet]

unless youre in blades

[left ledge]

ideally

you want to line up DN for dance

[empty bobcat]

sounds easy then ty

[left ledge]

and fit sectec in it

it plays itself most of the time

[empty bobcat]

okok

[left ledge]

just dont force anything

[minor osprey]

@left ledge do you have a pov posted anywhere

[left ledge]

only thing to "force" is apex on DN

[left ledge]

unfortunately no i found out yday my vod didnt upload

not sure why

i have auto upload

[small sleet]

he deleted the vod because i asked for it yesterday

:/

[left ledge]

did twitch change something with vods

[small sleet]

no clue lmao

[empty bobcat]

oh and deathstalker burst is not that strong right, at least thats what I noticed

[left ledge]

genuinely no idea why it didnt upload

[minor osprey]

what's you twitch

[left ledge]

it is quite strong

just not as consistently strong as trickster

[empty bobcat]

ok right

[left ledge]

but on both ive hit ~350k ST burst

[surreal orbit]

but are you using gloomblade

[empty bobcat]

yeah maybe because I did not try with BL

[left ledge]

no im not using gloomblade

[warm marlin]

twitch is in cahoots with the trickster cabal to keep ds from ever seeing the light

[left ledge]

next week i think im just gonna record it and force an upload

[empty bobcat]

I will try get a good parse on vorasius tonight :3

[left ledge]

and ill mark the cancelaura moments

for all to see

the grandeur of sub rogue

[small sleet]

incoming tragic death right after hitting blades next week

[left ledge]

nah honestly

im quite sick

so yday i was about to pass out raiding

[warm marlin]

I played fdk on reclear this week and got 7 obelisks and 5 puddle drops on alleria

[upbeat cradle]

don't worry s2 set bonus will be buffing gloomblade

[warm marlin]

and then was told I was still on rogue duty soaking every double soak on beloren

[left ledge]

i think blizz have learned to never do this again

[warm marlin]

but as a dk

[left ledge]

gloomblade is joining the ranks of shuriken combo, shadowdust, and deathly shadows

never to see the light of day

ever again

[warm marlin]

fun fact dk takes less damage from the double soak than rogue does

[upbeat cradle]

i use it when i run low keys just for fun

it's so bad

[left ledge]

gloomblade itself is actually

quite a good talent

[minor osprey]

rogue with faint or cloak 😄

[left ledge]

its just you have to give up a lot to get it

[upbeat cradle]

yeah but you remove a better talent to use it

[warm marlin]

feint dance

[left ledge]

it should be baseline

idk why we have backstab

[upbeat cradle]

yes

i also think instant poison should be shadow damage for us

[left ledge]

well

dark brew does that

its just we never get to take it

[upbeat cradle]

oh right

well it should be baseline

[left ledge]

we used to a long time ago

[minor osprey]

what does the dk use

[left ledge]

but that ended up being spamming gloomblade

for 90% of your gcds

[swift tinsel]

should replace with Cool Shadow Poison That Does Something Interesting

[upbeat cradle]

it's face

[small sleet]

sheer willpower

[sullen hare]

Df s2 classic

[empty bobcat]

top gear giving me haste+mastery gems even though I am at 1140 haste xD

[left ledge]

Cool Shadow Poison That Reduces Boss Damage By 3.3%

[warm marlin]

you have ams for every one which is about 50% of your hp and then just passive dr is higher

[left ledge]

can you link

the sim

[warm marlin]

a little more than 50% of your hp

[swift tinsel]

that's not very Cool Shadow Poison That Does Something Interesting of you

[empty bobcat]

ah no forget it, it used different boots mb

then it should be fine

[minor osprey]

never soaking again then im snitching to the raid leader

[left ledge]

well its better than Not Cool Not Shadow Poison That Sometimes Reduces Boss Damage By 3.3%

[warm marlin]

actually i may have had disc shields

[small sleet]

our entire guild minus the tanks does the group soaks and we just stack em on beloren

[warm marlin]

but its still similar

[small sleet]

or rather

on the fight, not stacking em on the boss

[minor osprey]

we tried on our reclear

it;s not too bad

[small sleet]

does everybody still hold for cds on reclear or can you just zerg boss down

[minor osprey]

i didn't

:DDDDD

dont know about my jailmates

[small sleet]

LOL

[warm marlin]

ye this was the only time i took it straight raw with no healer external aid

but like it doesnt do damage idk

rogue it was dropping me to 20% with feint dance

[surreal orbit]

click for aura boost

[latent remnant]

if I recraft/regem to accomodate for the haste I'm losing with this I'm supposedly losing damage (according to sim)
should I just take extra bonus roll to try rolling for myth versions of the nexus rings instead

[surreal orbit]

what do they know

[vale pine]

how to pad

[surreal orbit]

would like to learn the crown pad tech

[warm marlin]

every top crown log from every spec looks the exact same

they are 8 miles ahead of the rest of their raid in p1 because they're the only ones properly using the damage amp

[alpine wraith]

they get sent alone to 3rd add with cds yea

[warm marlin]

and then its a normal log from there on

[surreal orbit]

what is a realistic non-pad dps number to hit on crown? no bullshit raid funneling or anything like that

like if theres an effort from these groups to get 1 player to a top parse Ill ignore those for sanity sake

[warm marlin]

idk if its malicious like that

but like this week i held 90s for 10s like prog

when they came back up on 3rd add he was already dead

[summer peak]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[summer peak]

for raid, i have double the mastery of crit, doenty really matter does it?

[hazy breach]

Sim would probably want you to shift a little bit of it, but the difference is gonna be minor either way

[echo dawn]

send on 2nd or 3rd add and hope for 180

[summer peak]

only prob im having with sum is its having me have so little haste where im trying to stay at 700

[swift tinsel]

once I max bracers and add socket I'm gonna have to do some shenanigans to drop like 24-30 haste

probs take haste off crafted belt and swap some gems

managed myth cloak bracers boots and guidon yesterday

[surreal orbit]

i cant find logs where people are actually holding though, every one I compare theyre popping at like 10s

[echo dawn]

yeah because you get 2 uses in p1 doing that and therefore 200k+ but thats "padding"

[warm marlin]

you want to send at 10s if you can because you let the amp stack a bit on the first mob

[echo dawn]

use on the add that gets the highest stacks

[warm marlin]

but if you are gonna lose a use you either send insta and try to fit the second in or wait for higher stacks ig

[hazy breach]

@small sleet I have a gearset now where i have more mastery than haste even after popping guidon so I don't even need to bother popping recklessness before trinket

Practically no crit but I drop finality for tfd anyway and it's fine

[small sleet]

Holy fucking based

[hazy breach]

With mastery flask that is

But still

[warm marlin]

the real tech is vanish reckpot -> swap crit flask cds

[summer peak]

is reck ever usable?

only ever used lights

[marble sail]

reck pumps

[small sleet]

The ultimate tech is to pre pot reck with haste gearset, then shadow dance cancelaura reck pot, then mastery reck pot activate guidon and sectech all in one global

I’m bringing this spec to new heights just you wait

[warm marlin]

this is yuge for seat first pull

[wheat edge]

the haste set in question

[small sleet]

I want someone to try that I just don’t want it to be me

[small sleet]

Now that’s a tier set

[finite lynx]

guys dont tell the assassination channel but im switching to sub for raid because i saw the number is bigger

[wheat edge]

I am playing assa in rebellion against the op sub rogue spec

[finite lynx]

hopefully this doesnt come to playing sub in keys 😔

[wheat edge]

The fight timing on beloren kinda makes me want to swap to sub tho not gonna lie !

[small sleet]

Beloren just sucks

[wheat edge]

agreed

[upbeat cradle]

Guys, i think

Play sub or assa doesn't matter as long as you're playing rogue

[runic sinew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[finite lynx]

sin has always been my favorite but i chase the biggest number

[small sleet]

If I can’t base my identity around hating the other rogue specs I won’t know what to do with myself

[finite lynx]

except outlaw is too fast for me and im a zoomer

[upbeat cradle]

I'd rather hate DHs and DKs

It's a more efficient way of spending my hate

[wheat edge]

why hate melee chars when casters exist?

[swift tinsel]

I'm slowing sneaking outlaw kills in

or keys

they'll never catch me

[upbeat cradle]

I wish i could play outlaw

[swift tinsel]

I can't commit to getting a full gearset for it but its been fun

bc that means farming seat and no thanks

[upbeat cradle]

If i play outlaw I'll just level one of my rogue alts to gear it

[small sleet]

I can’t be asked learning outlaw because I don’t wanna do lower keys to practice and I don’t wanna try to do higher keys and grief

[finite lynx]

true

[swift tinsel]

its actually not too terribly complicated

"how many combo points do I have and how many opportunity stacks do I have"

[timid rose]

I hate all classes that don't give me skyfurry buffs or heals

[small sleet]

Yeah but like, I have to get pretty good at it to outperform sub

[finite lynx]

the only thing i dont like about sub in M+ is that i feel extra useless when theres 2 or 3 things left at sub 5% hp that just arent dying because everyone else is outside of CDs too and charging up for the next pack

[upbeat cradle]

Don't try to outperform sub. Try to outperform the other classes

[upbeat cradle]

You can just send sectec

[small sleet]

I can barely do that on sub lmao

[vale osprey]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[small sleet]

Idk if outlaw was like significantly ahead of sub I’d probably learn it but I can make only playing sub work this season and not feel bad

[swift tinsel]

I just like it because it feels more engaging in keys

and its decently fun in raid

[small sleet]

I find sub fun enough in keys still, but outlaw is definitely more engaging lmao

[swift tinsel]

both sub and sin devolve into storm/fok->bp/envenom which turns me off from them

granted sub is bs/strike->evisc a good amount of the time

[astral axle]

ya i hear ya

[solemn patrol]

Fatebound outlaw is a vibe, trickster is just perform significantly worse on so I don't touch it

[astral axle]

sometimes it is the vibe tho

just wanna

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn't mind some kind of fun proc for sub to play around

I don't count apex in that because it doesn't really change anything

[solemn patrol]

Deathstalker has entered the chat

[hazy breach]

In big AoE situations with AoE talents its often better to use Potion of Recklessness for mastery instead of the usual Light's Potential. If you are using Light Company Guidon be sure to use the potion before the trinket as you do not want it to give you a ton of haste.

Per the #subtlety-faq

[swift tinsel]

"fun proc"

[solemn patrol]

DS is more fun on sin than sub

[swift tinsel]

I'm just personally not a fan of playing around DN/marks

feels more like awkward babysitting than reward

[small sleet]

Apexed supercharged dn eviscerate feels pretty satisfying

[swift tinsel]

which is funny bc they directly aimed to gut big modifier stacking like that lol

[alpine wraith]

and apex and DN do not even work well with all the evis hits

from shadowed etc and amps

kekw

[sacred magnet]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[sacred magnet]

if the sim gives me 600 haste with equipped items, should i ignore it and put 700 still?

or always trust the bot?

[hallow mortar]

always trust the bot

[hollow spear]

The bot is a fake news merchant for sub unfortunately

It forgets that we're human

[hallow mortar]

are we

[regal pollen]

also that latency exists

[hollow spear]

Nah, I'm an animal

Which is why I only need 900 haste for deathstalker, trust me bro

[regal pollen]

https://discord.com/invite/dreamgrove animals go here

[hollow spear]

Nah, they're still humans in a furry suit

[willow mantle]

is it correct to use guidon over puzzlebox in m+? sim says puzzlebox but it looks like
most of the highest io players are using guidon

[small sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[alpine wraith]

usually rogue is brung to do more boss dmg than overall

so guidon is better

[hazy breach]

M+ is notoriously difficult to accurately sim, with subs haste cdr and breakpoint dslice is more janky than ever

[small sleet]

I don’t think pbox will even do more overall than guidon

[hazy breach]

^

[alpine wraith]

who knows as eleem said it is very krangled

because it also desyncs uses

[willow mantle]

yeah it feels shitty to use

[alpine wraith]

making only half of your blades super strong

vs every one

[hazy breach]

Issue with puzzlebox is that you go insanely deep into diminishing returns on mastery if you pop mastery pot with it

So you'd rather pop agility pot

But if you dont have puzzlebox to give you that enormous mastery boost, its fine to use mastery pot

[swift tinsel]

imo it makes more sense to lean into sub's st in keys with guidon

[hazy breach]

So the burst from puzzlebox is negated by a lot anytime you pot

[willow mantle]

but with guidon its better to go reckless?

[alpine wraith]

we remember when shit drs didnt exist

and we had fun

[hazy breach]

Especially since you also want to have high baseline mastery for when you are not in cds

So if you have like 1.3k mastery already without pot, it makes more sense to get guidon for longer dances and an additional sectech in blades, rather than massively diminished mastery from box

[hallow mortar]

so tldr is use puzzle with mastery pot and guidon with haste pot

[small sleet]

No

[alpine wraith]

kek

[radiant swift]

what

[hazy breach]

Thats the "too long cant read"

Not "too long didnt read"

[small sleet]

LOL

[radiant swift]

do u guys have that much base mastery?

[alpine wraith]

my dog ate my homework

[small sleet]

Eleem is a mastery merchant

[swift tinsel]

I think I'm at ~900-1k mastery

[alpine wraith]

we love mastery

[radiant swift]

same

[velvet jay]

Just to be sure, do I need to switch Weaponmaster for 2/2 Finality on single target?

[frail kindle]

im perfecting my ds gearset

[vale pine]

mastery is good, so why not

[radiant swift]

idk if id pop mastery pot with that no?

[hallow mortar]

you always need to double down on your higher stat

[frail kindle]

down with crit up with mastery

[hallow mortar]

thats the way to glory

[small sleet]

I have like 1100 flasked I think

[swift tinsel]

I'm pretty close to even between crit and mastery

which I'm cool with

[hazy breach]

Mastery is just whacko good in big aoe, in ST you want more equal spreads

[swift tinsel]

I could probs squeak out more mastery if I swap pit neck to crafted

but eh

[radiant swift]

is patchwerk like 7bosses 3min or smth so0mewhat reliable?>

[hazy breach]

This potent powder talent is quite good, who wouldve thought

[swift tinsel]

I'm doing less keys as sub now

imagine if clones benefit from it

[vale pine]

leveled a dk alt?

[swift tinsel]

yehaw

[timid rose]

my base mastery is like 1100 unbuffed

[swift tinsel]

been running more as outlaw for a change

[vale pine]

oh interessting

[swift tinsel]

but I do have my dk decently geared lol

[hazy breach]

Yes, for a 3 minute pull with 7 mobs is quite accurate

[vale pine]

i see more and more players gravitate to dk latelay

[fallow nimbus]

The lura neck + my current max itemlvl gear sims higher than crown neck and possible other item combinations

[hallow mortar]

finally im fully socked surely got my gudion soon

[hazy breach]

But its not really a full representation of an entire m+ key

[radiant swift]

bet i wonder why pot sim would say

[swift tinsel]

I haven't done many keys til this week with needing a lot of crests and being uncapped

[vale pine]

dk being soo strong for so long and basically a ranged dps

kinda appeals to people

[radiant swift]

no im just wondering for like a semi aoe pull

[swift tinsel]

yeah dk is just really really really good

[hazy breach]

If you have potent powder its mastery pot in aoe

[hallow mortar]

i dont like DK gameplay

[warm marlin]

90s spec like sub, blizz has decided they will be tuned to be mega op for all of eternity

[regal pollen]

still annoying you cant macro guidon into your burst macro

[timid rose]

I don't like plate classes at all 🙁

[radiant swift]

oh for real? i was running lights all season long

[vale pine]

turns out being a cosistently top dps, invincible, pseudo melee is better than playing a class that rolls the die of viability every tier

[hazy breach]

Yes, #subtlety-faq message

[swift tinsel]

rider unholy just has the most ridiculously insane kit

by miles

[warm marlin]

It is also way way easier to reroll the last 2 seasons compared to.. any time since early df

[radiant swift]

well shit - is that part atleast new so i can act like i jsut didnt see

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah my alts have gone from like 195 quest gear to 260-280 in like a week

[radiant swift]

sims -1.3% tho

[swift tinsel]

its wild

[vale pine]

from what i noticed, most people evaluate weather they like or hate something mostly based on output

[warm marlin]

my fdk sims 139k (with vantus)

[vale pine]

rotations are so simple now that they became mostly irrelevant

[hazy breach]

Well you need to get mastery

[vale pine]

so qoality of life and op niches is more appealing

[swift tinsel]

yeah picking up and playing most specs now is like a 5min endeavor

[warm marlin]

idk I think both dk specs are kinda interesting

Frost is fun

[radiant swift]

u mean base stats? or what exactly do u mean - i have 1k flasked

[hazy breach]

The pot gives whichever stat you have the most of

[swift tinsel]

frost def more fun, just unfortunately notably less good in keys

[hallow mortar]

yeah propably, but i like my alts to be fun to play more than doing best possible dmg - thats reserved for my main

[hazy breach]

If its simming negative you probably get crit from it

[swift tinsel]

by virtue of unholy being the best in the game

[radiant swift]

i have

oe sec

[warm marlin]

Unholy also gains resources in aoe which is always cool

[radiant swift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k1Jx8s9UKfcQGFicud8JUg

i have masteryt the most

[swift tinsel]

ye

just bonkers scaling

[warm marlin]

Funnel is great

[swift tinsel]

infinite resources

can't die unless you want to

[rancid crow]

Crit and verse now?

[small sleet]

U have crit flask on

In that sim

[velvet jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wzDNCi6swRJ3KQRzgFnozC It tells me to go crit flask do you guys have the same :P?

[small sleet]

Which is prob making ur crit higher

[vale pine]

kind of like sin

[warm marlin]

ye

[vale pine]

dk is just allowed to have more niches

[swift tinsel]

if they didn't super gut it in aoe

for sin

[small sleet]

Override default flask to mastery and re sim it

[wheat edge]

arms warrior is also a banger atm, spec is actually pretty complex

[radiant swift]

oh did it take haste

[swift tinsel]

ye I've been having a lot of fun as arms

[small sleet]

Default is crit flask

[warm marlin]

I might try warrior to play arms for the first time

[radiant swift]

omg i didnt see

crit

[swift tinsel]

its good fun

big chunky buttons

[warm marlin]

I need .7 to drop so I can level my Druid shaman hunter warrior

[swift tinsel]

really good prio dmg

[lilac stag]

Still too much slam

[wheat edge]

I am a slayer enjoyer tho cause collosus ST is just depresseo expresso

[swift tinsel]

just proc heroic strike more

[wheat edge]

also bladestorm is a fun button

[small sleet]

Crit flask and mastery flask are very close in single target, and depend on what your secondaries look like to determine which is better

[radiant swift]

i might have inted a bit

[wheat edge]

but I like that there is actually some thought behind most globals

[small sleet]

Now that looks more correct haha

[swift tinsel]

yeah, been playing a mix of slayer and colossus and they've both pretty neat

[lilac stag]

arms still mid for me. They’re still missing the boat with ability pruning and slam

[radiant swift]

yeah that is not even that isgnificant

[swift tinsel]

getting a bunch of sudden death procs and ginsu'ing everything with Reap the Storm procs

[lucid jackal]

Colossus aoe arms is literally 50 buttons

[velvet jay]

yeah im kinda heavy on the mastery, so that checks out

[wheat edge]

yeah they gained buttons this expac it feels like

[lilac stag]

it already had enough abilities. They managed to make it worse

[swift tinsel]

I don't like having rend

[lilac stag]

Fury still flows nicely.

[swift tinsel]

could do away with that

[lilac stag]

and does more than tank ST dmg

[swift tinsel]

I haven't played much fury, might give it a go

[wheat edge]

I kinda feel weird about sweeping strikes, cause colossus smash gives it and the CDR on that is so crazy high that the few times u have to actually cast sweeping it feels bad

[swift tinsel]

ye

[velvet jay]

Ew, I thought I was in the rogue discord!

[wheat edge]

I hate that avatar/bladestorm is a choice node for fury..

[swift tinsel]

also execute rotation is a little bland

for arms

[lilac stag]

Which is hilarious with how many buttons you have.

[wheat edge]

I like that there is a difference between execute and normal rotation tho, wish assa for example had that

[swift tinsel]

yeah its like double execute for precision stacks, one random global, mortal strike

[wheat edge]

the random global is either HS or overpower for rage tho most of the time so idk I like it

[swift tinsel]

yep

kinda like survival

with tip

[lilac stag]

FDK is my most enjoyable out of the uh/fdk/arms/fury testing

[swift tinsel]

probs same

[somber sun]

sorry, backup dk discord here

[wheat edge]

havoc is still my favorite alt

[swift tinsel]

maybe havoc

[wheat edge]

rogue > havoc > arms = frost >>>> uhdk

[lilac stag]

Both dk specs are more enjoyable than both warrior specs

[swift tinsel]

the moment AR mover havoc is playable (which is not a thing anymore bc you can't take glaive and move talents) I'd be elated

[wheat edge]

I mean inertia is just the most simple button of all time

[lilac stag]

summoning your army and actually having long arms in melee is so nice

[swift tinsel]

fitting double blade dance wounded quarry dmg into an inertia window

[timid rose]

monk is my favorite main, rogue is my new favorite alt that i'm currently maining for raid and keys

[lilac stag]

rip acrobatic strikes

[swift tinsel]

[odd laurel]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[wheat edge]

my plan for season 2 is to have a 2nd rogue

[swift tinsel]

I'm waiting for s2 info before I start planning

[lilac stag]

[lucid jackal]

Rogue + warrior + monk

[wheat edge]

windwalker is appealing

[swift tinsel]

its always a fun choice

[lilac stag]

if we don’t have raid utility I think it’s back to Warrior or Red Rogue

[wheat edge]

idk what I think about the long fist channel tho

[swift tinsel]

that parts my biggest gripe

feels like an eternity channel

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin any update on the flex role?

[swift tinsel]

if I don't play rogue, which is entirely possible based on how things go for next season, it's probs war or havoc but also depends on rest of raid comp

[small sleet]

Most fun alt is survival hunter imo

[swift tinsel]

prefer not to be 4th or 5th dh lol

[warm marlin]

No

[swift tinsel]

survival is pretty neat

[warm marlin]

But I haven’t played rogue in 2 weeks now

Dk all reclear yesterday

[lilac stag]

I got rogue to 289.7 and only loot that is an upgrade is from stuff we haven’t killed

[warm marlin]

Thought I’d have to do it for beloren silly me

[swift tinsel]

I'm trying to enjoy rogue but its been a test of will

[warm marlin]

Dk can also just do all soaks

And be healthier

[lilac stag]

and grip

Just popping ams before each soak is enough?

[swift tinsel]

sunk cost fallacy keeping me crest farming lmao

[wheat edge]

just ran 16m options in the sim just for the only change to be swapping the gem between neck and helm

[lucid jackal]

Our guild has no monk player and monk is randomly God on some patches

[wheat edge]

boiled an ocean for that..

[lucid jackal]

Seems useful to have prepped

[swift tinsel]

ye ww seems to come from the top rope randomly

[lilac stag]

You just want that sweet pi juice

[lucid jackal]

It's randomly God and also nobody talks about it

[lilac stag]

our WW does very well

[lucid jackal]

Even this tier on shit like beloren it's op

[warm marlin]

Yes

[left ledge]

yeah our ww do pretty good all the time

[lilac stag]

She ascends with PI

[swift tinsel]

right, ours came out of nowhere bursting like a fiend

totally overshadowed by brewmaster hype

meanwhile all three specs fuck hard

actually

is this the first time all three monk specs have had a crazy tier at the same time

[warm marlin]

I think brew was good in keys in tww2 but not sure

Both the other 2 were great in raid

[swift tinsel]

ah ye forgot mw was also good that season

I think s2 tww was vdh dominated

looks like brew was bottom rep

[wheat edge]

that spec just does not exist anymore does it

[swift tinsel]

vdh got pretty neutered

its just a weird spec

kinda bdk, kinda paladin

[left ledge]

neutered is like

an understatement

having your entire survivability tied to an RNG proc

is actually insane

[tepid trellis]

was*

[lucid jackal]

Why was

It still blows up eggs no?

[ripe flame]

Still is but was more op (?

[lucid jackal]

Was it? I'm asking idk

Did it get nerf r smthing

[tepid trellis]

the specific thing they played was nuked

that made them insanely op

[strange chasm]

It's still doing insanely well now no?

Not even limited to bel but all bosses

[tepid trellis]

its still among the top 3

but was by far the best before

[lucid jackal]

Well it would have been better than me on the bench

[tepid trellis]

just be in 5head

[autumn flame]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ember hull]

what sim setting in raidbots is most accurate for myth lura

[left ledge]

ST

[ember hull]

just pure patchwerk

[left ledge]

yes

there's only like 3 sets of adds that last a couple seconds in p1

majority of the fight is pure ST

[empty bobcat]

think Im too stupid for DS xD i am unable to even come close to what sims give me on dps haha

no idea why

[small sleet]

The adds also are not even remotely tough to kill at this point so you don’t really have to contribute meaningfully to them

[ember hull]

i see a lot of the top logs swapping between weaponmaster and and extra point in finality do we have an opinion on that

[small sleet]

Weaponmaster is bugged, finality is slightly better

[left ledge]

its prob better to just play trickster for most people

[small sleet]

It somewhere in the pins about weaponmaster

[ember hull]

ah i see

ty ty

[left ledge]

DS isnt incredibly far ahead and requires playing in ways i dont think the FAQ fully explains

[ember hull]

starting lura prog this week gettin ready

[left ledge]

its just better overall to play trickster

[summer peak]

LF 1 Haste

[left ledge]

lol dw you're fine

[oak sorrel]

doesn't DS also require you to have like 300+ more haste than you would otherwise have to even be better

[left ledge]

its actually a range between 684-700

[summer peak]

ya i know xD im only messing ❤️

[fiery fog]

ds is ~1100 haste

[left ledge]

yes

[pallid jackal]

What bis list do you guys adhere? There are several across the guides

[empty bobcat]

also DS cant fit a 2nd sectec into blades or am I just r*tarded?

[left ledge]

DS needs 1100 haste

or else its not better

[left ledge]

correct you cant

[empty bobcat]

oooh ok

[fiery fog]

ds dmg comes from darkest night procs in dance i think

[left ledge]

it can be in the dance

just not in the blades

something i often do is i send second dance in blades as DS without sectec

and then just dance a third time after with sectec

[small sleet]

I pick whatever gear has the coolest icon personally

[oak sorrel]

me when my first st global in my big cooldown is shuriken storm

[left ledge]

as you can see

[fiery fog]

the bis gear is whatever brings you to ~684 haste and as much crit/mastery as possible

[left ledge]

DS is odd

[empty bobcat]

maybe I am just too used to the dance with full CP stuff that I mess it up

[left ledge]

it requires a deeper understanding of when to send a dance

as opposed to trickster

[upbeat cradle]

1100 with or without guidon ?

[left ledge]

with

dont play DS without guidon imo

[graceful rock]

Does the mark transfer in Lura p3?

[left ledge]

no

and you cant use Death Mark

make sure to have DN up

[graceful rock]

Ain’t no way

[left ledge]

yes

while phasing from p2 to p3

i ensure to have DN up

then i build sht stacks

[graceful rock]

What’s the point of the button

[left ledge]

i dont press it

[graceful rock]

Can you vanish and reapply?

[left ledge]

not while mark is up

[small sleet]

Prob cuz the previous boss despawns so there’s no mark to move

[graceful rock]

Oh yeah

Wait

[left ledge]

just make sure to have DN

[fiery fog]

cant you just use marked for death now

[left ledge]

it naturally lines up

[small sleet]

Or is it just bugged as hell

[left ledge]

its not hard to do trust me ive played a lot of DS on lura

when you're going from p2 to p3

just have DN up

and dont finish until she's done with severance

[graceful rock]

Yeah I mean I just auto boss before severance any way so it’s prob nbd

[hollow spear]

I've just swapped over to ayije cdm and it shows the icon for all the buffs I've selected in CDM

[left ledge]

yea its fine

[hollow spear]

any way to turn that off?

[left ledge]

mark for death doesnt work on p2 to p3 lura

[graceful rock]

I wanna try DS in reclear this week since I got some haste pieces

[left ledge]

because the p3 lura spawns after the p2 one despawns

[fiery fog]

i love that the fix for the single biggest problem of ds doesnt work

xdd

[upbeat cradle]

aight my plan is

[left ledge]

i mean on lura at least its not a big deal

you have infinite time to have DN up

[graceful rock]

Is p4 cooked?

[upbeat cradle]

craft mastery engineer bracers and boots

[left ledge]

legit you have like 15 seconds

[upbeat cradle]

then craft haste engineer bracers and boots

[left ledge]

i send a dance right before the final p2 cast that knocks you into p3

and then i just ensure i have DN up for after severance

right before as in before she even begins the cast

sometime around when the last orbs are about to pop

then i send a dance after severance and then i pool for lust

[graceful rock]

Do you use a blades dance storm macro or 2 separate ones?

[left ledge]

i have a blades dance storm

and dance storm

[graceful rock]

Okay same

[fiery fog]

ima just stay on trickster

[left ledge]

yeah i mean trickster is fine

[fiery fog]

send dance sectec on cd and chill

[left ledge]

boss damage should not be a problem atp

we push as we're going to the last pizza slice

we dont even get to see the mechanic

which also means you wont get 2 blades in p3 if you push that early

[fiery fog]

we are 300 pulls in and managed to soak the p2->p3 intermission once

we are cooked

[left ledge]

yeah dw

we struggled with that too

we saw p2->p3 like

8 times

before we finally did it

lmao

[fiery fog]

feels great to wipe 3hours in p1-i1-p2

to the same stuff

[left ledge]

thats lura :)

be glad they changed glaives

that shit was actual cancer

half our wipes were always in p1

because glaives were just so bad

[fiery fog]

glaives isnt our problem

the nerfs probably wont do much for our progress

[left ledge]

if it makes you feel better

p3 is VERY easy

[fiery fog]

[left ledge]

the fight is actually so heavily loaded into p1

[upbeat cradle]

don't worry guys, they reduced glaives from 3min to 2, then to 1 min, next patch they will remove them altogether

[left ledge]

all you need to worry about in p3 is constellations

you can take infinite time with soaks and memory game

[upbeat cradle]

it's the only logical thing to do

[left ledge]

like memory game comes out, you can literally wait for the constellation to spawn AND despawn

before you do it

and its still lenient

[fiery fog]

we are constantly wiping because crystal carriers get hit by memory lasers/intermission beams/spread circles all the time

[left ledge]

yeah

thats gonna happen

fight is carried by them

[fiery fog]

it happens 3/3 hours

[left ledge]

i mean you cant wipe otherwise

thats why it seems that way

like if non seed holder fucks off and dies

nobody cares

[small sleet]

That’s why you gotta be one of the crystal carriers

[pallid jackal]

And from the bislist, what stats on the Silvermoon Agent's Deflectors? I am assuming haste or crit / mastery right?

[left ledge]

haste mastery if you still need haste

otherwise crit mastery

[fiery fog]

dont tunnel on bislists

its literally any item combination that gets you to ~684 haste (can be more, can be less) and as much crit/mastery as possible

[pallid jackal]

I am combining bislists with meticulously simming right now