subtlety

[vale pine]

BR me please
How did you die?
🙄, no idea 😊 👉 👈

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wicked urchin]

and vora

[median latch]

bro HOW do u guys parse on paladins

[upbeat cradle]

You can cheese vora ?

[median latch]

is there an agreed rotation for that

[wicked urchin]

cant parse paladins if you never pull it

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-food-raccon-HUtsjiqzv1M9a

[golden totem]

Yes

[median latch]

same but

[wheat edge]

that was my backup plan

[median latch]

do i sstrike bp??? do i just single target

[wheat edge]

but cheat does absorb a lot

[median latch]

crazy

[vale pine]

time to talent out of cheat

[upbeat cradle]

I went to the other side three times and was like. Somethings wrong,why am i here with 1 hp

😂

I'm a dog

[vale pine]

lol

[dusky yacht]

Charles getting soaked

[wicked urchin]

im excited for reclears now just to pull some cringe shit

[wheat edge]

I thought I wouldn't get the debuff when cloaking so the cheat death was surprising, then I checked debuff during intermission "damage taken by alndust increased by 1800%)

[dusky yacht]

Maybe this was blizzards goal all along, to make the rogue fantasy real again by making us do the wildest shenanigans trying to top dps meters illegally

[upbeat cradle]

I wasn't sure about CoS for intermission but i was like. Yolo, if it works it works. Lo and behold it worked

[wicked urchin]

at least we top for a few minutes at the end of l'ura

[upbeat cradle]

I think CoS for intermission is better than cheat death tho

Intermission has random dot on you

So if you're group 1, going soak-cheat death-cos is probably better

[wicked urchin]

the first few times we got through p3 lust clean someone was like

wtf whered you find 20% boss damage

[upbeat cradle]

I've died on every single one of our salad bar kills

[wicked urchin]

F

the constellation + memory game during lust is probably the most stressed ive ever been raiding

i had heart palps monday

[upbeat cradle]

I'm not sure my guild will kill dragons on mythic tho but I kinda wanna see Crown on mythic

[wicked urchin]

p1 is cringe but p2/p3 is pretty good

still lots of time for you guys though

[upbeat cradle]

I wish instant poison got a rework for us. Maybe do shadow damage instead or something, kinda sad that the ring set does more damage than it

[wicked urchin]

class fantasy for rogues

blizz would never

[upbeat cradle]

Gloomblade is thematically my fav spell

[wicked urchin]

next tier is the gloomblade tier surely

its gonna happen at some point

[upbeat cradle]

Use Gloomblade to proc alleria's neck 🤡

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-BmmfETghGOPrW

[wicked urchin]

even alleria neck is super underwhelming

(i dont have it)

[upbeat cradle]

Yeah it's almost as much damage as instant poison

I mostly use it for the chunk of haste anyways

[wicked urchin]

yeah its like 400dps for me with different rings

[somber sun]

[vale pine]

puzzle box is not the worse

nicu

[somber sun]

yeah I think im gonna take that , rest is very badu as usual

[upbeat cradle]

The ring set can proc alleria's neck right ?

[wicked urchin]

whats your bonus roll situation? guessing you dont have guidon

[dusky yacht]

Lowkey wouldn't mind getting it myself now that I don't really need drops outside of crown/l'ura/vanguards, then I can try some assas shenans

[somber sun]

nah got it

[upbeat cradle]

I'm still missing the void ring anyways. Gonna bonus roll NPX this week, got boots to change to mythic too anywayS

[dusky yacht]

But very lowkey cause then I'll hate it within a day

[somber sun]

im looking for a myth head/shoulder for cata

was expecting one of them from vault

but if we cant even get that....

[dusky yacht]

I got hero omission but need myth so I'm rolling that too, I'm 3 rolls in, 2 this week, may God be with us

[upbeat cradle]

I've started using puzzlebox in m+ again ||and i hate every single second of it||

[wicked urchin]

depending what your main focus is make sure you check socket sim

[median latch]

i still have heroic guidon, wondering if i should bonus roll that or npx

[dusky yacht]

[wicked urchin]

sockets are like 80 myth crests for me

[upbeat cradle]

I've got mythic omission and champion occlusion surely it's worth it

Best case scenario is i manage to bonus roll both the ring and boots from NPX, catalyze the boots, then next week i can socket the bracers and be full socketed.

[vale pine]

i got my last heroic tier slot upgraded in vault today, (was unlucky with that one so far)

so not the worse vault

[upbeat cradle]

And i drop the shoulders from raid but that's a no go

[wicked urchin]

just need shoulders

[dusky yacht]

I'm almost full myth track, omission is last one I need

[wicked urchin]

just waiting on that curio...

[vale pine]

that was the slot i got ^^

[void ocean]

i had 3 myth slots for todays vault, 2 of em were myth heads (i got myth head last week)(no pun intended)

[upbeat cradle]

Got shoulders boots and occlusion to be full mythic cept alleria neck but that one will stay heroic

[wicked urchin]

just be me and use 7 bonus rolls for the ring set

[upbeat cradle]

It's what I'll end up doing

[wicked urchin]

saving my rolls for alleria neck now

[upbeat cradle]

I did get socket on belt and helm tho

But that was before bonus rolls were added

With any luck I'll get shoulders from saladbar but my guild has like 10 leather classes

[wicked urchin]

i just want the alleria neck to be with the cool kids

[upbeat cradle]

Nah, you'll be a cool kid when you tank the chimaerus aoe three times

[wicked urchin]

thursday

[upbeat cradle]

Like Whispyr and uwucutegirl

[wicked urchin]

assuming we dont grief lura again

[alpine wraith]

lura neck is better than alleria one tho

[wicked urchin]

lemme adjust my sim for it

[boreal robin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wicked urchin]

lura neck is about the same for me

maybe the roll is worth it since there are less items

[keen steppe]

I got the ring from paladins but i cant wear it bcs haste...

[shadow snow]

during the paladins fight, sometimes the paladins we can hit are 2 or even one, should i hold shadow dance+sectech combo or just spam it even if its just one of them infront of me?

[tribal blade]

i would say just send

[wicked urchin]

prolly a bit situational

holding a few seconds is likely worth

haven't pulled the boss though so dont trust me

[fringe lava]

how come if i take the gear set from the spreadsheet sim it’s nowhere close to 130k?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oDerrZdGhtQoZLSxd4fyrH

[tribal blade]

last week i just full sent no thinking and got a 96

this week decided to hold blades for pot and parsed much worse

[wicked urchin]

so dont trust me at all

[tribal blade]

because i could have gotten another full blades set at the very end of the fight but only got part of it

[tribal blade]

nah i dunno don't trust me either lol

[upbeat cradle]

So we should send blades on cd. And if pots comes back we drink it withtout blades ?

I dunno, a prophet's words should be trusted most of the time right

[tribal blade]

depends

kinda depends on kill timing tbh

[shadow snow]

i will just send then

[tribal blade]

like what i decided to do didn't work for our kill timing today

usually you're pretty safe to just send w/o thinking

[upbeat cradle]

I don't even know why i'm inquiring about that, we barely got dragons to second intermission

[tribal blade]

it's good to look ahead

[upbeat cradle]

And our monk doesn't know north to south

[tribal blade]

hahaaa

[fringe lava]

only asking because i was top gearing myself with full myth track and bis trinkets and was nowhere close to 130k either

[wicked urchin]

north and south is pretty tough though cant blame the guy

[tribal blade]

we just do markers on dragons

[peak ice]

i heard the deafining silence on lura when i said run to the right

[tribal blade]

LOL

[peak ice]

bunch of australians checking their hands

[wicked urchin]

lmaoooo

[tribal blade]

m8 lemme get out me compass

[upbeat cradle]

got dragons down to 28%, but i think after the second intermission it gets "easier" ?

[tribal blade]

pretty much more of the same

[upbeat cradle]

we do markers too but apparently he doesn't sees them so we told him north

and well

[peak ice]

cant you get the closer after the 2nd

[upbeat cradle]

he doesn't know north either

[fringe lava]

after 2nd intermission it’s piss easy

[wicked urchin]

yeah after 2nd its piss

[tribal blade]

LOL hahaha classic

[upbeat cradle]

look at the boomkin padding on adds

[fringe lava]

just pad harder

[upbeat cradle]

there was a try where he went up to 300k dps or something

[tribal blade]

"my starfall is hitting hte bosses too"

^insert BP on that too

[peak ice]

didnt they remove dragons from parse

[tribal blade]

they did

not on all stars anymore

[peak ice]

sick

but not paladins?

[tribal blade]

well paladins is only bosses

[peak ice]

seems kinda anti rogue ngl

[upbeat cradle]

i mean BP over Evi on dragons doesn't seems that bad

[tribal blade]

just more so rogue sucks on cleave /cry

[tribal blade]

you should be only hitting BP

unless you're only in range of 1 dragon

while gloom soaking

[upbeat cradle]

yeah,i only do evi when a dragon is much higher hp than the other

[tribal blade]

i would just BP

[fringe lava]

i got a 95 on dragons and did the 2nd most pad but i was only below a frost mage on vaelgor

[tribal blade]

just target that dragon and BP

you will do enough prio

[upbeat cradle]

probably

i'll think about padding once we actually can kill them 😄

[peak ice]

what do i do with my crests now that im like, done

[tribal blade]

i mostly say that because less thinky=more blasty 😉

[wicked urchin]

ill think about parsing next tier

[tribal blade]

padding dragons is basically just holding dances for orbs

and having a raid team that does no dmg

[upbeat cradle]

you could replace health point with horsepower in any sentence using HP and it wouldn't lose it's meaning 😄

can't pad anyways

the orbs barely survive one BP

[tribal blade]

btw don't ever swap targets to the orbs

[wicked urchin]

do you wait until grip or when orbs spawn?

[upbeat cradle]

nah i don't

[wicked urchin]

feels like an eon ago

[tribal blade]

the instant they spawn i send sectec

[fringe lava]

i just send

[upbeat cradle]

i just stay on my dragon forever and ever

[tribal blade]

i'm not sectecing the adds directly

so sectec will only hit some of them spawned close to the boss

[upbeat cradle]

here we love our dragons be they augmenters or raid bosses

[tribal blade]

but if you sectec the orbs when they're gripped

your boss dmg goes out the window

[upbeat cradle]

our DK stopped but one of our warlocks may switch to DK so i hope we'll have the mass grip

[fringe lava]

our mass grips miss 3-4 orbs so it’s just free

[tribal blade]

most of the orb pad comes from BP

[tribal blade]

oh yeah not having mass grips is tough

that's why the boomy is mogging you on orb dmg so hard

[upbeat cradle]

yeah

[wicked urchin]

no mass

[upbeat cradle]

that's why he's mogging everyone

[tribal blade]

true yeah lol

[fringe lava]

it’s honestly doable though

[upbeat cradle]

our dk tank stopped two weeks away and our dk dps stoped last week lmao

[tribal blade]

fucking boomies i swear to god

[upbeat cradle]

and our druid tank is gonna stop after this week to be replaced by the monk that can't see signs or knows the North

I hope he learns fast

[royal fog]

Has anyone used both ElvUI and MSUF and can tell me whether I should swap from Elv (pc load/fps gain or whatever)?

[upbeat cradle]

i stopped using ElvUI when midnight came out

[keen dome]

The six thousand year wait to run a single Pit...

[wicked urchin]

me with nxp the other week

20 minutes in key 40 applying

[tribal blade]

i would help you but the region diff 🙁

[keen dome]

Yeee

Hopefully I get the pants and am done

[wicked urchin]

i just crafted pants to be done with it

[upbeat cradle]

3 sub rogues a rsham and a monk tank let's go

[fringe lava]

my sims tell me to craft engi helm and shoes

[keen dome]

Ye I could craft pants but I'm laready 3 rolls in

May as well go the whole hog

[wicked urchin]

yeah you're in deep

next roll surely

[keen dome]

then I'm in lazy mode. I just need a helm to catalyst

[fringe lava]

the single stat ones

[upbeat cradle]

wait actually engineering boots could be good

[wicked urchin]

shoulders and im basically done

[keen dome]

Nice

And yeah engi boots are good

since they're mono stat

[wicked urchin]

ill get curio tomorrow so that's solved

[fringe lava]

but still no one here that can answer my question 🙁

[wicked urchin]

officially my most pulls on a boss ever

[keen dome]

What was the question?

[wicked urchin]

smile

[fringe lava]

this

[keen dome]

No clue, you'd need to ask Fuu or Eleem I guess. I don't put much thought into the robot and it's magical numbers.

[coarse raven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w7siGu43j1okC9sWDNFHLg

is it the max we can go ? cause even with the item from the spredsheat i cant reach more

[fringe lava]

^ that’s what i’m saying

[ornate lake]

bros does using the void orbs drop tier tokens too or just raid gear? Like the raid token from chimearus

[fringe lava]

raid token too

[coarse raven]

tier token too

[ornate lake]

bruh moment

[upbeat cradle]

oh ye the sims tells me to use mastery engineering bracers

[fringe lava]

just convince your guild to give it to you by topping damage and inting your sims

[ornate lake]

wondering if i should spend the orbs on imperator or chimaerus first

[celest night]

the sheet uses vantus

[upbeat cradle]

do you have the trinkets in hm already ?

or puzzlebox mythic ?

[fringe lava]

damn is vantus really giving us 5.7%

[ornate lake]

Yes day one hc loot

[ornate lake]

mythic puzzle and prism

[upbeat cradle]

probably sim both guidon and gaze then

to see which one is biggest damage upgrade

[ornate lake]

good idea

[fringe lava]

also depends on who needs what in your guild

[ornate lake]

but muh cast trinkets

[median latch]

wondering if it's worth spending rolls to upgrade guidon from hero to myth? or spend on npx rings? not sure about simming it as i've heard its weird with haste stuff

[upbeat cradle]

upgrading guidon from hero to myth was like 0.6-0.8% upgrade for me

same with gaze

[fringe lava]

if you want to sim you basically need to add what you might want along with every piece of decent gear you own and also recreate all crafted into some other stats

it’s ill as fuck

[coarse raven]

i try, vantus give me 6k dps

[upbeat cradle]

ohlol sims tells me to craft engi boots and bracers with full mastery

i'm all for it

my profession will finally be useful to me

[fringe lava]

mines telling me to do mast helm and crit boots

how many crafts are we supposed to have by this week

[upbeat cradle]

losing 0.2% in ST to gain 0.3% in AoE if i don't craft boots

i'll take that

no idea

6

ithink

[wicked urchin]

guidon sim is kind of weird

[fringe lava]

that means i can send 3 crafts and be 2% off bis

[tribal vortex]

who do i craft engi helm with haste? what missive do I use?

[wicked urchin]

it's not going to account for situations where you lose a bit of time because of movement

[upbeat cradle]

@wicked urchin did you go DS on Vorasius ?

[fringe lava]

just in time for lura

[upbeat cradle]

or stayed trickster

[wicked urchin]

i aint pulling 1100 haste out of a bag rn

[upbeat cradle]

I did a 96 as trickster but the next day it became a 94

wondering if DS would do more

if you don't have the 1100 haste

i honestly think i'm gonna go full ST and ignore any adds

[fringe lava]

honestly by this point you can bring adds closer cuz you only getting 2 sets anyways

[wicked urchin]

2nd set of adds is usually close now

[upbeat cradle]

engineering uses cogs for substats

not missives

[ornate lake]

mythic guidion is 1% and mythic gaze is 1.5%

[upbeat cradle]

well you got your answer 😄

also guidon less classes needs it

[wicked urchin]

ill probably play ds on lura after i get alleria neck

[upbeat cradle]

so you may just gain it normally from your raid lead

[fringe lava]

yeah but i don’t get loot prio to me cuz im a rogue so idk

the only thing that was unanimously decided to give to me first was netherprism

[wicked urchin]

wish i could say the same about that one

i had to dinar it

[fringe lava]

the rest are “let’s give the dk first”

[upbeat cradle]

yeah same

had to dinar

and saw the first guidon go to the DK (who left)

[median latch]

yea thats what i was worried about when simming it - i'm already accounting for the fact that its like 30 haste down from the max myth one (non asc), but

[wicked urchin]

though we didn't even have loot prio

we rolled for everything

dont miss that

[upbeat cradle]

second guidon went to paladin

[median latch]

i might just go for npx rings and hope i get natty guidon

[fringe lava]

they were sure glad they gave me it though i was deleting that first add on dimmy platform

[empty bobcat]

back to box :3

[upbeat cradle]

i got the third one cuz i was the only one left needing it

[wicked urchin]

i dont think you can go wrong with either tbh

[fringe lava]

first guidon went to me cuz our regular dk wasn’t available and the other one is a trial

[upbeat cradle]

i don't mind as long as i get what i want by end of season anyways i'm not in a hurry

if i get everything i may just burn out and want to play another game

[tribal vortex]

Guys is aetherlume Optics the engi helmet ?

[upbeat cradle]

yes

[tribal vortex]

When i try to place the order I get a message that it is unusable

I need to have engi?

[upbeat cradle]

are you an engineer

[tribal vortex]

no 🙁

[upbeat cradle]

requires engineering (1)

[fringe lava]

it’s basically free

[upbeat cradle]

yeah ujst need to learn the prof

[tribal vortex]

ah ok yeah I ll do that

[upbeat cradle]

I miss Legion Sub

was my fav iteration i think

TWW was pretty cool too

[wicked urchin]

i miss tww sub so bad

[fringe lava]

sub on araz burn

[ornate lake]

zul sub supremacy

[fringe lava]

got those frost dks shivering

[wicked urchin]

spec got easier and i got worse

[fringe lava]

after they were memeing my collector damage

[wicked urchin]

you didnt love backstabbing them the whole time?

i forget if we sent a dance or just sent a dry sectech

[fringe lava]

it’s still a meme in my guild

i didn’t send anything

[wicked urchin]

i mean that was the correct play

[fringe lava]

the math with our dps worked out that way

but i was doing less than hpal

[wicked urchin]

yeah the play was a dry symbols/sectech

[fringe lava]

honestly don’t matter too much in the end

[wicked urchin]

i remember telling our rl im not gonna do any damage haha

[fringe lava]

that fight is just hoping you don’t get the mechanic during cds

but i lowkey solved that too

[wicked urchin]

we switched to running behind with ghosts so i mentally gave up after that

[fringe lava]

we did that to begin with

i turned on liquid wa that tells you who has it

and mouse over focused them

and double stepped for half a sec

lose maybe 1 global if i had the ghost

[upbeat cradle]

which fight ?

[fringe lava]

araz

[upbeat cradle]

oooooh yeah

[wicked urchin]

i miss tww sub so bad

[upbeat cradle]

it was fun

and you could see the difference between a good and a bad player clearly

now it's all blurred

[wicked urchin]

me w/ r9 dimensius and now mostly blues

new sub showed me the weaknesses i had though

[fringe lava]

i have a r2 beloren with grey parses in keys as outlaw

[wicked urchin]

old sub i could get away with uptime problems outside of cds

[upbeat cradle]

i need to learn assa and outlaw

people in my guild asking me how to sub

"press your three buttons"

[fringe lava]

assassin is like 4 buttons

[wicked urchin]

assa still feels easier than sub

[fringe lava]

but the cdr will suffer from the uptime problems

[upbeat cradle]

i dunno, assa seems a bit more complicated

[fringe lava]

for tww sub wouldn’t it

[upbeat cradle]

haven't looked into it that much tho

[fringe lava]

apply dots slam envenom

[upbeat cradle]

only played assa in legion and once on whatever the bunny moth boss was in tww

and only played outlaw in legion too

lol

don't you have to

keep track of your apex too

[fringe lava]

yeah but it shows on cdm

[upbeat cradle]

something like if you have 80 stacks or something you press or don't press envenom ? forgot

[fringe lava]

at 80 you just pool

and refresh bleeds and don’t cap energy

[upbeat cradle]

i don't have enough crit to play assa anyways

[fringe lava]

i’m tryna get all 3 specs to 3500 io

while i push with outlaw

[wicked urchin]

mainly meant that in tww as long as you have your cd sequence locked in you were still chilling

[fringe lava]

oh yeah that’s true

since with netherprism like 80% of your damage is basically from that 18 stack send

[wicked urchin]

also think a big part of my worse parsing this tier was from making a big guild jump

fear of making mistakes and playing safe hurt my damage a lot

[upbeat cradle]

our guild gonna vote to extend lockout to prog dragons and paladins

i only need shoulders from saladbar but nothing i can't get from catalyzing a bonus roll or something

i wanna see new fights

[wicked urchin]

if yall dont need loot then do it

[upbeat cradle]

yeah

[wicked urchin]

can still do chim for gazes

[upbeat cradle]

not sure who in our guild still need gazes

or guidon

probably only one or two persons

[wicked urchin]

with bonus rolls reclears are way less impactful for those bosses

[upbeat cradle]

yeah

[broken sail]

hello, new to sub rogue here just wondering what is the best setup for macros and layout of action bars

[wicked urchin]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[upbeat cradle]

action bar layout is what works best for you buddy

[wicked urchin]

yep

[upbeat cradle]

mostly muscle memory

[wicked urchin]

i could get into some crazy efficiencymax stuff for layouts but if you're asking as a new player dont worry about it

my keybinds go kind of crazystyle

[broken sail]

last time i played rogue was Assassination in BFA season 1

[upbeat cradle]

oh boy

[sacred yarrow]

ye but like 80% of players just want their stuff pre setup so they can play, unfortunately

[upbeat cradle]

i need to play queue simulator to try to get my resi 17 done

[wicked urchin]

if you haven't played in a while i get it

if you've been playing other class/specs since just set it up similar to that one

[upbeat cradle]

yeah

[wicked urchin]

same key for cds etc

[upbeat cradle]

whenever i switch class, cds are always on same key

same with builders, etc

most classes function on a builder/spender rotation anyways

and have more or less the same amount of buttons to press

[wicked urchin]

other macros worth considering on top of those are evis+dance/bp+dance

[broken sail]

currently got my kick and other keybinds to reflect my ele shaman

those macros will help tho

[wicked urchin]

mimic your binds as much as possible

[upbeat cradle]

don't forget to race change to mechagnome

[wicked urchin]

shame

[river sky]

do we sim patchwerk 10 bosses 1 min for m+ or dslice

[upbeat cradle]

dslice

[wicked urchin]

definitely not the first one

[upbeat cradle]

what kind of dungeon do you do to kill 10 bosses in 10 minutes

[river sky]

ty

1 min 😄

[median latch]

amirdrassil

[river sky]

some do it for assa

[median latch]

kappa

[upbeat cradle]

bosses lasts 2-3min in average in dungeons

[wicked urchin]

think its just to simulate a long aoe pack

[river sky]

^^

[upbeat cradle]

oh makes sense

i'd still use dslice tho

[wicked urchin]

aoe pack should just be giga-mastery though

[cunning goblet]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[wicked urchin]

the best part about having additional macros is just convincing yourself the spec is more than a few buttons

[broken sail]

Sub stat prio?

[wicked urchin]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[ashen warren]

I’m back playing sub yippee

[wicked urchin]

guidon pog

[ashen warren]

The last infinite stone I needed

[broken sail]

regarding those macros do i want to be spamming the first one during fights and using it as it was like the single spell

[ashen warren]

yes

[wicked urchin]

you dance when sectech comes up so use it then

[broken sail]

ok cheers

[wicked urchin]

feel free to pm me if youre unsure about anything

i gotchu

[broken sail]

im unsure about everything at this stage haha its all new to me

been playing rogue in HC haha and thats different

[wicked urchin]

specs quite simple now with a bit of nuance now with the minmax stuff

you should be good

just try to prio hitting the haste breakpoints with/without guidon

[median latch]

i would guess we use puzzlebox in m+ instead of guidon btw?

since mastery = better for aoe?

[wicked urchin]

puzzlebox for more aoe guidon for more boss damage

both good

[broken sail]

so basically haste/mast/crit/vers

[wicked urchin]

700/800 haste depending on guidon then mast > crit > vers

mastery and crit end up being close for raid

[empty bobcat]

800 haste is so close imho, better have 820 because its oftne a blink of an eye to fit a 2nd sectec

800 is like doable when everything goes right - I even have 730 haste with guidon just to make sure

[wicked urchin]

730 is definitely a waste

[empty bobcat]

lol its not 😄

but u do u

[wicked urchin]

684 is the target for guidon

700 is for it to be comfy

730 means you're dropping a lot of uptime

[hollow spear]

730 sounds pretty high ngl

[thorny ridge]

!Fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[empty bobcat]

wait until you see my vers :3

[wicked urchin]

well anyway

[upbeat cradle]

your AoE is still quite good even with just guidon in m+

I use guidon because everyone is doing aoe anyways, real bottlenecks are bosses

[wicked urchin]

agreed

[upbeat cradle]

but if you wanna pad your overall box is the way to go

[hollow spear]

Who is "we"? I'm not touching box with a ten foot pole.

[empty bobcat]

also use light pot on boss and mastery on groups

if its available

[upbeat cradle]

yeah i also really dislike the cast time of box

i only use it in AA

and even then i don't feel that good about it lol

[hazy breach]

Its not really that. Its moreso about pull timers.

Like if you end up using cds around 2 minutes then box is better, if you use it on cd everytime guidon is better

[wicked urchin]

yeah fair enough my m+ is definitely more limited

makes sense though

[hollow spear]

If you're pugging, box is probably int

You can plan around your cooldown windows much more in a static

[worthy timber]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-joey-tribbiani-it-was-me-it's-me-friends-gif-16459238154669060766

[empty bobcat]

I think CD management is key even with guidon, like I would not want to use it on a small pull when I know a big one is coming up next

[upbeat cradle]

it's also not wrong to use evi for prio damage if you really need it in aoe

sometimes there are adds you really need to kill fast

dpeending on your group

[paper trail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nDoraR8uSFapFuNZyxRfjM okeeey

[grim wasp]

Box feels better than guildon

[paper trail]

How important is 1100 haste

[grim wasp]

[paper trail]

Does it have to be Minimum

[grim wasp]

Just figured out ill craft cloak for embelishment and use myth belt and wrist for stats

[paper trail]

Thats what I did

But without alleria neck or lura ring its not enoughj

And this is my alt so dont have it in vault yet

[wicked urchin]

what are you looking to play ds on with an alt?

[paper trail]

Lura 🤣

[graceful portal]

Hey, was wondering how important it is to have ancient arts when dropping a sechtech. I have this issue for my 2nd sechtech during SB when its about 1 sec to come bach and i have full CP + ancient arts and idk if I should go for Eviscerate and then sechtech or just wait 1 sec

[lilac stag]

You play trickster if you can’t get the haste

[wicked urchin]

damage check is completely fake now

playing trickster is fine

[paper trail]

Ds looks funnier tho ngl

[small sleet]

Ds was super enjoyable to play im gonna stick with it for the rest of lura prog

[paper trail]

exactly

[wicked urchin]

im so ready to be done with lura

[paper trail]

Mby I should pull off the Warbound 263 alleria neck

It's a fun boss tbh

[wicked urchin]

500 pulls man

kill me

[paper trail]

500?

holy

[small sleet]

[wicked urchin]

we had a couple disasters

[paper trail]

Prob kill any sec then

[upbeat cradle]

DS has purple icons

Meant to be played as sub

[wicked urchin]

missed hof

morale shot today

[paper trail]

ouch

[wicked urchin]

lost one of our best players + seed carriers for a week

[small sleet]

I’m carrying seed and it makes the fight so much more engaging

[wicked urchin]

i accidentally picked one up once before intermission last week and didnt wipe the raid

W

stressful as fuck not having done it though

[vale osprey]

Same for me last night xdd

[wicked urchin]

lost 4 deep p3 pulls due to bugs tonight

so tilting

[vale osprey]

Dropped it in beam picked it up with 0.01s left and a star splinter a out to go off

[wicked urchin]

buddy beside me was like yep you almost assassinated me

brother i was not looking at you hahaha

[vale osprey]

We're trolling P1 and P2 though still after 150+ pulls so it's dire

[vale osprey]

Crystal > your life sorry friend xoxo

[wicked urchin]

exactly

one pull after 1st p3 move warlock and i both just didnt get the light buff even though we were in the seed

both died

br'd us both

still have the bug

[shy scarab]

Just disband

[wicked urchin]

wouldnt be surprised if we did

i joined this tier but we were 125 dimensius

[keen dome]

unbuffed. Oooh, so close.

[shy scarab]

Its more than enough if you can play it 😄

[wicked urchin]

dealt so many shit cards all tier

[keen dome]

i'm old so I need more

[wicked urchin]

im older

maybe

[shy scarab]

Saaadge but i feel you

Im running at 720 ish

[wicked urchin]

im at 692 or something

[keen dome]

701 atm, without oils, then I'll be getting less soon

I'm waiting to drop my OH for a second vora

[shy scarab]

Got lura neck in vault from the kill yesterday so i might drop to 700

[keen dome]

Nice

[wicked urchin]

big

[shy scarab]

We will see, im old i need the 0.4s hahaha

[keen dome]

Same

I just need legs from Pit, then it's helm fishing

And i am done

[shy scarab]

Been lazy doing keys on my alts. I would ve 291 if i werent lazy😬 but they removed the crest cap now so its gucj

[peak ice]

Why drop oh for another vora dagger?

[keen dome]

My brain is stupid and i like the pairty on the character sheet

I'll just put another arcano on my crafted bracers

Not like it matters damagewise. it's all negliable.

[wicked urchin]

yep

i just need shoulders

and then i can shuffle some stuff when i get alleria/lura neck

other than that chillin

[keen dome]

I'd like myth alleria neck but it isn't happening so I will settle for 1 hero item haha

[wicked urchin]

im gonna get it first reroll

[keen dome]

i believe

[wicked urchin]

even with a shuffle its only like 400 dps but

monkey brain go brr

still need to grind crests to cap my last 2 slots before raid tomorrow

didnt see the notes until it was too late

honestly just been slacking more than i'd like with character prep past month or so

life proccd some shit

[paper trail]

Are u supposed to fit 2x Darkest night evi's in dance?

[wicked urchin]

death in the family + breakup in the past 4 weeks

[drifting elbow]

Hi, I'm progging Valegor mythic and I see top logs on Valegor hitting black powder on 2 targets, but the rotation indicates to cast eviscerate on 2 or less target and I always did that. Is there a specific reason to use black powder on 2 the dragons ? Thanks !

[upbeat cradle]

use BP is you have Potent power talent

[alpine wraith]

with potent powder you use bp, on 2 targets

[upbeat cradle]

which you should have on that fight

[wicked urchin]

bp on 2 with bp talent

we were quick on that

[drifting elbow]

Oh okay that's why, I misplayed for a while then

yes thanks for your promptly answers !

[upbeat cradle]

how do you buy bonus rolls on alts

i don't have any veteran/gold/voidlight on my alt

[wicked urchin]

well

[upbeat cradle]

i guess i should

do worldquests for veteran crests

[wicked urchin]

i dont have any gold on my main

lura has run me broke

[upbeat cradle]

but like, we're at what, 10 bonus rolls this week ?N

that's 800 veteran crests, that's a lot

[wicked urchin]

cant you just warbrand transfer marl

[upbeat cradle]

i don't have enough i used everything already lol

guess i could farm them with my druid

ritual sites gives a lot right ?

[alpine wraith]

it is easier to just spend gold

in the time it takes to farm 80 crests you can get that gold with almost any profession or just rawdog gather

[keen dome]

woo

[fiery fog]

the leech gaze at last

delaying my full ilvl by 1 week because i cant take socket for wrists smh

[zenith flare]

is getting 95+ something you can control on mythic or is it based on how lucky procs get ?

[alpine wraith]

you need luck and a good team

and the right strat

[zenith flare]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/drakthul/dps he knows whats up

[small sleet]

Certain fights it’s more in your control, like vorasius for example, but others like dragons will vary wildly depending on how fast your other teammates kill the orbs and such

[placid crown]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[earnest crane]

2.5 % is the dps diffrent of Puzzle box and guidon for me but it will be hard to fix stat with puzzle box

[fossil forge]

W PANTS

[long cape]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[upbeat cradle]

Defo can control

Ask your raid to let you pad on adds

[woven nimbus]

you can pretty much get 99 on all bosses except vaelgor and crown without being a huge padder

(and probably lura)

[tribal blade]

beloren can be kinda scuffed too

[upbeat cradle]

True but you can get it even easier with padding 🤓

[small sleet]

On beloren rekill you just send on adds ignoring burn phases and you can parse high most likely

[native zodiac]

Dragons and crown are the only problematic bosses to parse well imo

[upbeat cradle]

Tbh i wouldn't bother too much with parses. Just get the kills

[woven nimbus]

crown is a nightmare, especially if you only run 2-3 melees

and you dont wanna full send on last add

[small sleet]

Crown is fucked because of the nerfs. You can’t get near as much dps in p1

[native zodiac]

My alt rogue which is 4 itemlvls behind my main managed to get a 99 on crown doing the same shit while i struggle on main

[small sleet]

If everyone in your raid is on mains, there’s less dps to go around in p1

At least I’m assuming everyone in your raid is on alts at the same time

[native zodiac]

Yeah i mean crown is just fucked at this point unless we have a buyer

[grim wasp]

Can you collect voidcores for past weeks if you do not collect?

[zenith flare]

so doing said parses comes down to how well you execute your shadowdances ?

[marble sail]

alot also comes down to luck and how much ur guild pads

maybe not luck, but alot of padding in this raid is aids for logging

[upbeat cradle]

i mean if you play outlaw, you could be 10ilvl lower and still somehow do 10k more dps

[upbeat cradle]

yes

[small sleet]

Sub is better than outlaw in raid

On most of the fights at least

[fossil forge]

I cant get rid of my purple saladbar parse

definitely the hardest to parse rn

(For me at least)

[small sleet]

I just ignored orbs and hit boss and parsed well, but it’s been a decent bit since I’ve recleared it so you may have to play more degenerate now

[fossil forge]

If you didnt parse early its over

i have orbphiles in my gang

[small sleet]

I feel like at the end of the fight if you pre-move to where the group of shitter orbs is spawning you can always get in sectech and a black powder or two, which should end up padding your numbers pretty decent

[stone vessel]

finally got guidon, and mythic

[small sleet]

Idk how fast the orbs die at this point though I’m sure it’s immediate

[stone vessel]

can I upgrade with the shard at 2/6 or do I need 6/6?

[fossil forge]

They dont even spawn

bruh

[raw wadi]

6/6

[fossil forge]

Boss ded before 2nd amp

[raw wadi]

its either fully upgrade heroic or mythic path

[small sleet]

Oh yeah that will make it a little hard LOL

[tribal blade]

also fucked if you have people eating puddles

we didn't manage to rekill crown today /cry

and we are going straight to the bird to prog tomorrow

[small sleet]

Bird fight is so lame man

[fiery fog]

parses are also heavily pad inflated at almost all bosses

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm doing a bunch of immune soaking which sucks

[fiery fog]

and kill timings are relatively important

[tribal blade]

by the time i manage to get back to the boss on pull the birds are half dead already lol

[fossil forge]

nah but

new item and i have to turn to dr.sim

again

go new season already i cant

https://tenor.com/view/scientist-specialist-experiment-bravest-warrior-gif-12856459

changing gear every reset

b lajk

[fiery fog]

the dps dif between killing boss at the end of your cds vs killing it just when your blades come up is also quite the difference

[upbeat cradle]

Next season ilvl will be so high i think

[tribal blade]

i suspect next season we have new haste breakpoints possibly to get 2nd sectec into blades, but dunno if that's even possible

[upbeat cradle]

Can't say i enjoy how ''easy'' it is to do 15+ right now

[small sleet]

It won’t be without changes

[upbeat cradle]

Yeah just to compensate new tier set

[fiery fog]

we probably just play like we do wiith puzzle box rn if the tset isnt doing something about it

[tribal blade]

yeah the 4 sec diff from tier set is kinda enormous

[hazy breach]

You'd need like 55% haste or so to fit a second sectech in blades

Without tier

As trickster that is

[tribal blade]

jesus nvm lol

[upbeat cradle]

Eww

[fiery fog]

next tset surely gives us a second sectec charge

[small sleet]

2k haste and begging for pi here we come

[upbeat cradle]

I'd love that tbh

[tribal blade]

surely blizz has a plan

surely

[hazy breach]

I would be surprised if the tier set (or any changes in the patch) did not adjust sectech cd in any way

[tribal blade]

surely this means something

[hazy breach]

But anything is possible

[fiery fog]

ah yes

[fossil forge]

getting 2 charges would be gas

[fiery fog]

blizzards "we add random stuff to random classes"

[tribal blade]

me too yeah

[fiery fog]

surely has a meaning

[small sleet]

2 charges of sectech would be weird I feel like

I think it’d actually feel lame to play

[hazy breach]

Imo 2 charges is just kinda pointless, same thing they did with symbols

[tribal blade]

it must because the only other sub spells that have that actually have charges

[hazy breach]

And at that point why is sectech just not something thats always cast when you press dance, and you can just remove sectech

[tribal blade]

lol true

[hazy breach]

I think dance should be on the gcd though (and do something when you press it)

So the macros arent needed

[small sleet]

With 2 charges of both sectech and shadow dance you’d have fights where you’re incentivized to double send on add spawns or whatever, then have 40 seconds of downtime

[upbeat cradle]

Next tier set should buff gloomblade

[tribal blade]

maybe dance should just have generating full CP baked into it

[somber sun]

A bit out of context, do we use the bandolier embellishment on our crafted rings ?

[tribal blade]

ngl i have no idea what that even is haha

[random mason]

You use the sparkle embellishment

[empty bobcat]

what does the sparkle actually do?

[thin sinew]

can't be mad at that stat split

[thin sinew]

make you always do the special jump if your race has one. so nightelf roll jump or bloodelf spin

[empty bobcat]

lol I was wondering because I have one in my weapon

and I noticed that I always flip

never thought that it was bc of this xD

[alpine wraith]

the flipper

[thin sinew]

Had plenty of people whisper me like "how the hell are you doing that?????"

[grim wasp]

What animation orc male do?

[thin sinew]

they don't have a special jump so nothing

[crystal bone]

inb4 .7 patch somehow makes vers good

[thin sinew]

easy!

[sharp seal]

hehe

[thin sinew]

just cata loads of stuff and recraft everything yet again

i'd need to bonus roll legs to get mine higher

[crystal bone]

i have 3 upgrades left to get and i'm at 290.19

i think that is 290.75?

ish

[sharp seal]

290.81

291 if you swap crafted offhand with 298 which is not so good

[crystal bone]

that's my logging out set

[sharp seal]

let them cry!

[thin sinew]

like not worth me changing the crafted stuff or it'll just mess stat balance up when my guild gets myth alleria down go through it all again

[empty bobcat]

grats u completed the game, what now? 😄

[sharp seal]

got 287 arms warrior

[crystal bone]

diablo 2 starts on friday!

[sharp seal]

PoE2 May 29

[crystal bone]

fully gear 2 characters into the real end game ->poe2

and then raid log

[empty bobcat]

Im still only 286 with 1 week behind bc I missed launch week

and missing 1 myth voidforged

[void ocean]

classic tbc anniversary ofc

[willow egret]

During shadow dance what is the actual combo in m+ after ur sec tech
is it shadowstrike and evis or shuriken and black powder
Quick sim says i can do upto 144 k damage but am nowere close to even 100k on dps . Heres my sample log . Thanks for the helphttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WF2V7MZvy43waxqL?fight=11&type=damage-done&source=325

[alpine wraith]

depends on targets if there are more than 3 you storm and bp

[latent remnant]

big ring in vault but if I sim and accomodate recrafts for the haste I'd lose by the ring I'm replacing this with, I'm losing damage

[alpine wraith]

and use evis to proc coup when available

[empty bobcat]

anybody else simming higher on 2x lining instead of 1x hunt?

that is when using 2xVF weapons

[fossil forge]

i can finally use mastery pot

im boutta shed a tear fr

[empty bobcat]

missing a gem sir :3

[fossil forge]

just bought it gng

[empty bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-sure-gif-9280539

[graceful portal]

Hey I have 2 question i need your help guys
I was wondering how important it is to have ancient arts when dropping a sechtech. I have this issue for my 2nd sechtech during SB when its about 1 sec to come bach and i have full CP + ancient arts and idk if I should go for Eviscerate and then sechtech or just wait 1 sec
And is there any talent swap for vaelgor on mythic or it's basically the same raid build

[small sleet]

Ancient arts sucks for sectech

It only applies to the physical portion of the damage which is not much

You run potent powder on dragon boss

[upbeat cradle]

A fellow 3 stamina gloves enjoyer i see

[crystal bone]

the physical portion is as good as an evis

so there is no harm in AA on a sectec

[small sleet]

Yeah it’s fine if you apex it

But you don’t drop a global to make sure you apex it

[coral bear]

But it doesnt change anything right

Personally I prefer using the haste pot and have gear that plays with other spec

[upbeat cradle]

the prices on AH changes 😄

[paper trail]

As DS do You always wanna enter dance with DN evi or is it fine using it mid dance, there is a potencial to get 2x DN per dance right if i do it correct

I feel like i delay everything else to much by trying to optimize it

Like holding sectech etc

[tribal blade]

iirc you either enter dance as DS with DN or sectec

[upbeat cradle]

As DS you wanna enter dance with 0 cp

[neon frigate]

Why are people taking the myth weapon? It sims lower for me than the farstrider

[upbeat cradle]

Hence the dance/storm macro for DS

[small sleet]

My understanding is that you’d prefer to enter sd with 1 stack of mark left, so your sectech activates dn, then apex the supercharged dn

[paper trail]

Yeye thst much i know

[upbeat cradle]

And it's storm not strike because strike is bugged and has a 0.3s delay after dance while storm is instant or something

[paper trail]

Its more thst it doesnt really line up properly, or feel clunky idk

Maybe im just not used to it and thats all

[tribal blade]

the way eleem explained it it's not as important supercharging sectec for DS

[paper trail]

U aim for one apexed DN per dance right, or you want to make sure u get 2x ( which would make u delay/ hold globals or waste some energy

[tribal blade]

and you can follow the general rule of going into dance with either DN or sectec available

[plush roost]

Ds is just vibes and forcing anything is bad

[paper trail]

Since ur like half a global away to be able to do 2x most of the time

[plush roost]

If youre at 1 mark but sec tec isnt up for 10 seconds then u cycle and take the L

[small sleet]

Cycle and force a quietus proc through sheer willpower

[plush roost]

Quietus makes the spec a lil random

If it wasnt in then youd almost guaranteed dn sec tec every single time

[paper trail]

Im prob hella over thinking it

[neon frigate]

Is hungering victory weapon really better than the crafted one? It sims lower for me

[plush roost]

Almost 100%

I stopped over thinking ds and my dps went up 3k

[tribal blade]

in mainhand yes, in offhand depends

[paper trail]

Haha can imagine

[neon frigate]

@tribal blade but it sims lower ?

[tribal blade]

in mainhand?

[paper trail]

Thats what im thinking, since my ds sims 6k over trickster

[plush roost]

Just link the sim

[paper trail]

Should just send it and its prob enough

[small sleet]

Ds should do more single target even if you don’t perfectly optimize everything

[tribal blade]

i keep saying i'm gonna set up DS and i never do

[plush roost]

Its fun to play

[small sleet]

I’m really enjoying it

[plush roost]

Also sub rogues are just filthy padders bro

[neon frigate]

@tribal blade yes

[plush roost]

Judy is full powder on lura reclear

Madge

[small sleet]

Wtf

[tribal blade]

are you dropping an embel to do it possibly

also link the sim

[small sleet]

When you could go for boss damage parse with ds?

[plush roost]

Right!?!?

[tribal blade]

TRUEEE

[neon frigate]

@tribal blade owwwww that might be it. Gonna check again when I am at home

[small sleet]

Trying to aoe pad on lura isn’t even fun man

It’s not satisfying at all

[undone cliff]

Only for mythic level though, right?

[tribal blade]

some people were finding they were getting slightly more dps having x2 voidforged myth daggers and 2 embels on other pieces if that's what you're asking

but the diff is tiny

[daring pike]

what s the magic haste number again?

[random mason]

700

[tribal blade]

700 with guidon, 800 without

[vagrant lynx]

so im at ~700 haste with my current gear, i want to craft legs and haste/mastery still sims better than crit mastery on all target counts, what happened? i do have 298 guidon

[undone cliff]

I don’t raid mythic so I can I have crafted in mh and heroic raid dagger in oh. Would just crafting two daggers be best since it’s the highest ilvl I can get?

[small sleet]

Do the legs you currently have equipped have haste on them?

[undone cliff]

I would do crit/mastery

[random mason]

You can get myth dagger from m+ reroll

[vagrant lynx]

no

[small sleet]

O weird

[vagrant lynx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kVoet9Qq65hpje1YWqTCEJ

or am i crazy

[tribal blade]

offhand is the least dps slot sub has, so having a low ilvl there is fine

[vagrant lynx]

im running these

[undone cliff]

I’m trying. Was out of country so hoping vault tomorrow is good to me again. Does m+ max dagger go higher?

[lone girder]

If I was to try sub for raid, would mastery=raid be good for current raid or it being heavy on aoe (kinda) would require me to have lots of mastery?
Playing outlaw but want to try sub in raid!

[tribal blade]

but yes 2 crafted daggers would be better, i would try to use a reroll to get a myth dagger, should be pretty easy to do

pit is a good dungeon to reroll on

[fossil forge]

i mean more mastery more damage 🤔

[tribal blade]

i have a myth version of those from a bad vault 😉

[random mason]

Crafted + core is 295, myth track plus core is 298

[undone cliff]

How far over 700 haste are you? I stopped around 720 to help with latency.

[vagrant lynx]

715

[undone cliff]

Yep, I would for sure go crit/mastery. should be a cheap reroll if you are not happy.

[vagrant lynx]

i mean yea that should be the play, but why does the sim say otherwise

is what im wondering

[undone cliff]

My sims tells me to drop below 700 haste. I don’t fully trust them lol

[small sleet]

Without haste on the legs wouldn’t you be at like 634

[coral bear]

I mean like

[vagrant lynx]

i dont have haste on legs

and im on 715

[daring pike]

how far ahead should i use guidon before shadowblades? One global, half a global?

[tribal blade]

1 second

[coral bear]

I have 703 Haste, If I have the Haste Flask, + Oil buffs

[random mason]

The robot has 0 ping and like 50ms input delay and doesnt do mechanics and doesnt make mistakes

[undone cliff]

That’s why I go slightly over the recommendation

[tribal blade]

ok i created this thing for a reason, might as well bust it out !stats

or is the bot broken

[swift tinsel]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

oh there we go

[swift tinsel]

must just not like being embedded in a message

[tribal blade]

haha yeah

[swift tinsel]

testing !stats testing

fickle mistress

[drowsy plume]

we always use shuriken storm on 3 targets ?

[tribal blade]

damn why you be like that moroes

[undone cliff]

Oh shoot! I’m a NE. Does that mean I can take less haste?

[fossil forge]

not sure if we play vers ring bossman

[tribal blade]

no

nelf is a % of haste

you need actual haste stat for deepening on dance

[fossil forge]

as long uhave 700haste is good

[tribal blade]

(i'm also nelf i cried during the beta when i found this out)

[undone cliff]

Well that sucks lol

[coral bear]

Only Myth Ring I got unfortunately, but its actually almost bis, since im missing a lot of vers and crit

For my sims

Droptimiser from raid and M+ claims I only get a 0.1% upgrade from pallys

[tribal blade]

it would become weird though when you have the crit thing during the day

[coral bear]

so i dont bother it too much

[tribal blade]

then you don't have enough haste

but agreed would be cool if it did interact

then as nelf you could have even MORE leeway in dance

[fossil forge]

i mean a maxxed out heroic ring with the correct stats would be better no?

am i tripping

[coral bear]

Here

give me a second

[tribal blade]

probably yes

guess it depends how much vers is on the ring

[undone cliff]

If it’s a low % increase and the extra stam is needed, wouldn’t the higher ring be better?

[coral bear]

@fossil forge Ring was best simmed for me

Cause I was lacking Crit and Vers

[fossil forge]

i would really look at stat weights

[coral bear]

So it makes up

[fossil forge]

wouldnt

[tribal blade]

stat weights has that warning on it for a reason

[coral bear]

Fuu told me to

or to gear compare

did both

[fossil forge]

idk i gave up on simming

i just always get 700haste and play game

[coral bear]

I mean, u gotta know ur dimishing return\

[fossil forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1zvv2EBbZQpUwgGjACYdHx

nevr getting to 120k..

[coral bear]

Teekoh

If u want 120k

GO DEATHSTALKER

I swear

its a huge damage upgrade

im trying to change

[random mason]

Turn on vantus

[coral bear]

Can someone

explain me if im ill or not?

i have 534 haste

but when i take the 165 flask

it goes up to 703???

[fossil forge]

i actually simmed without 2 points in finality

hollon

[coral bear]

wait

how do u

do that

[tribal blade]

is it weapon oil diff?

[coral bear]

Gemme the virus code

no no

[tribal blade]

wait are you human or something

i dunno

[coral bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1506641512887484416/image.png?ex=6a0f00c0&is=6a0daf40&hm=2bda735b96ae02c53431a93db96a77ac6e4ca82e8fdb97e1633e422e0ece3444&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

here

[tribal blade]

yeah you're human right

[fossil forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jgiUKqgcaD15ihkFjimLUw

[fleet acorn]

AIM is 130k on St Ure 15k Off gear wise

[fossil forge]

still not getting 120..

[coral bear]

And without flask

[fleet acorn]

Check fuu list

Gear

[tribal blade]

doesn't human get 2% more stat

i assume that's what is causing that

[fossil forge]

what items would you change

i would follow a bis list tbh

but theres like 40 of them

so i cba

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-of-course-ohhhh-oh-that-makes-sense-gif-11896286840118452668

[fleet acorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[random mason]

Missing an enchant on ring buddy

[tribal blade]

this is one of the rare times i did a math thing

[coral bear]

aslong as u have 700 haste, and a lot of mastery/crit depending on ur talents

[small sleet]

Fuu sims have vantus on, you won’t reach even close to 130k

Even with perfect gear

[coral bear]

and enough vers to make it worth it

[tribal blade]

gather these acorns of me doing math for the cold winter months of me not being able to do simple addition and subtraction

[coral bear]

ur good

[small sleet]

If you don’t sim vantus

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/gifgod-remasteredgifs-handshake-shake-captain-america-gif-15154140431823499405

[coral bear]

TEEOKH

[fossil forge]

just changed gear didnt notice

[coral bear]

How do u do the

supercharged hax virus ?

do i just

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fossil forge]

what

[coral bear]

and copy the 1st tstring?

So i simm

myself

with supercharged

[small sleet]

You gotta put the string in the header in advanced sim or somethin

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/scuba-cat-scuba-cat-kitten-cute-gif-6808830743234487843

okok

[fossil forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8LKqwMQUnwxZL8Y5A3MHSn

[coral bear]

Top grear...

[fossil forge]

ok 120 has been done

[coral bear]

DeathStalker vs

[random mason]

Still no vantus

[coral bear]

screenshot is bugged

i cant do it