subtlety

[keen dome]

Yeah TW has weird scaling but more likely you are just pushing buttons

Which most people don't

[uncut juniper]

How far can you push keys as a sub?

[alpine wraith]

depends how you manage to mind control people to invite you

dmg is fine

[uncut juniper]

I’m struggling at 19s rn

Nobody wants me

[alpine wraith]

need to become better at mind control

make them blind and not see the better specs in lfg

[wooden mason]

i havent really played rogue since like tbc/wrath so i feel like an idiot. just mashing shadowdance secret tech & evis feels like im juiced as hell lmao

[alpine wraith]

but yea at that rate you really need to just know people

or make yourself known

[uncut juniper]

fr

[dusky yacht]

I'm teaching new players to be good in my gf's guild in order to form my own mythic+ pushing team in the future. You've gotta think long-term. Play the patient game. Think 67 moves ahead. Ascend.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-20448970

[small sleet]

Sub is capable of pretty much everything but world first keys

We’re very viable right now

[dusky yacht]

I think you missed that reddit post about how amazing black powder is

(I hope somebody screenshotted it, it was so good)

[small sleet]

What was their logic lmao

Black powder is like the least satisfying button to press in the entire game imo

[tribal blade]

this is just the normal thing about pushing as rogue in general, we bring no lust/bres/raid buff/utility

[small sleet]

It has no oomph behind it

[tribal blade]

BP forever the limp dick replacement for combo

[kind edge]

it would feel better if PP was working properly

[small sleet]

I mean it’s damage is fine

Just how the spell sounds and looks is lame as fuck

[tribal blade]

it's an incredibly boring button

[dusky yacht]

It was something like "ThEy Cn dO AoE dMg wiT BlAcK PoWdeR" and it was when we got cloud cover patch lmao

[tribal blade]

how is that different to every other aoe ability in the game

of all the abilities they could choose to fawn over, choosing BP is certainly a decision of all time haha

[tribal blade]

how about the fact that hunters have this

that has the EXACT same sound as BP

you can't make this shit up

[small sleet]

Black powder is so cool they had to do it twice

You just don’t get it

[tribal blade]

TRUEEE

[dusky yacht]

Tbh they were either trolling or actually just one of those rogue hating "i got ganked once in 2006 and nevar forget" people

[tribal blade]

incredible

[keen dome]

they should give rogue a two-handed sword spec called, uh......

..Limbs

[small sleet]

Make outlaw a ranged spec but keep blade flurry cleave based around the player and not the target so they have to go in melee anyways

[keen dome]

when you push blade flurry, your character pulls out a dozen guns and fires them wildly

[small sleet]

Only if it pulls everything in a 40 yard radius

[keen steppe]

Imagine black powder would have a effect like echoing blades for fok in bfa

[north schooner]

imagine if bp had a glyph to turn it into an explosion of confetti

[zenith flare]

What if i dont get full cp on my opener from shadowstrike?

[alpine wraith]

what if you forgot to talent premeditation

[uncut juniper]

Update your build

[vernal drum]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusky yacht]

[rapid forum]

isnt that already the case?

pistol shot, bte, ks are all more or less medium range

😏

[small sleet]

They just gotta replace sinister strike and dispatch and add a minimum range to all abilities like charge has so you can’t use them in melee

[rapid forum]

i dont mind removing sinister and dispatch, very boring buttons. but minimum range sounds horrible haha

its fine tho, blizz forgot that rogue exists anyway

[solar glen]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[grim wasp]

just replace bladefurry with an automatic riffle

https://tenor.com/view/the-solution-is-simple-it's-a-no-brainer-im-jeong-dae-squid-game-season-3-player-100-song-young-chang-gif-10042109574270080784

or even better a support spec like evoker has

[drifting ether]

19 sr!

[empty bobcat]

ggs

question, when playing box, you guys usually re-stealth after using it or is it not necesary? whats the ideal oepner on a big pull just like box->ShBlade+Pot-> shuriken-> dance+sectec ?

[weary tree]

get high cp > box > blades+dance+sectec

[empty bobcat]

ah so I do shuriken first then box plus macro

[weary tree]

yeah

[empty bobcat]

ok ic makes kinda sense yes

so u open from stealth as usual

[weary tree]

Doesnt really matter in keys how you open there

As long as you box just before you use your cds

[empty bobcat]

well I like my tank to count 3,2,1 so I can box then initiate so I am not standing there like an idiot while he runs away

thats why I like box first more

[small sleet]

Just shadowstep to the mobs if he moves away while you’re channeling it

Having to cast shuriken storm after box wastes time on the buff that could be better spent inside of cds

[empty bobcat]

ok makes sense

[peak ice]

Ur tank counts down each pull?

[small sleet]

That kinda fuckin owns

Hella teamwork and preparation

[uncut juniper]

I wish box was a 1.30 min trinket

[small sleet]

I’m so glad it’s not or else I’d have to use it

[void ocean]

cast is just too long

[vocal pulsar]

Heya! Question regarding upcoming Sporefall Loottable:
The Leather Belt i.g. will be new BiS. Since we all almost use Embelish on Belt atm, which Slot will be prefered for the Embelishment?
Wrist or Cloak? Or jewelery even?
Your thoughts?

[void ocean]

feels like at eternity when there r mechanics going on around

[void ocean]

doesnt rly matter

just put it on anything u have crafted

i think i have my embelishments on oh dagger and boots

[vocal pulsar]

oh boots would also be an option right

[void ocean]

not sure if u can put lining on jewelry tho

[golden totem]

Wrists or cloak are good slots too

[shadow lance]

All I can say is, sim

[vale pine]

they should make it a hasted cooldown ^^

(just joking)

[upbeat cradle]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[copper lily]

Hey looking at chim logs, most top logs use premeditation instead of ephemeral bond. I guess it's a min max thingy to gain 0,1% dps on opener and two vanishes. In prog it's usually safer to bond right? Or is it always better to use premed ?

[vale pine]

pewmwsirion ia better

*premeditation

[hazy breach]

Without the cloud cover bugs it is always better to use premeditation yes

[lilac stag]

rip

[void ocean]

premed fixed in 12.0.7 right... right?

[hazy breach]

I dont think theyll rework it no

It also doesnt matter much

[lilac stag]

imo better chance of sub getting minor rework instead of just premed getting reworked.

[somber sun]

[lilac stag]

so not happening.

[void ocean]

cryge

[copper lily]

Ok ty guys appreciate

[keen steppe]

Next patch sub get reworked into a tank spec

[small sleet]

But we keep perma tricks

[keen steppe]

Or in a walking nuke

I wish to press ST and the clones nukes the entire pack D:

[tribal blade]

i'm calling it pewmwsirion from now on

[foggy estuary]

Remove outlul(not a real rogue spec anw) replace with parry tank spec. Ezclap?

[keen steppe]

Thats my new character

[vocal pulsar]

and give them st grip like dk 😄 would appeal to class fantasy with hook already existing. geez just give grip to all rogues 😂 "get over here!"

[vale pine]

[void ocean]

call bondulance

[drifting ether]

With pb and tfd

[vale pine]

i like tfd in terrace

[graceful portal]

Hye quick question. Some guild mate told me about a bug for poisons if you play 2 rogue of the same spec (in this case 2 sub rogue). Is that a real thing?

[hazy breach]

Hasnt been a thing since tww season 1

[alpine wraith]

yea atro used to stack

not additively but well it did some extra dr

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kK0fgbO-HfI

we're so cooked humanity

i dunno how you can figure out what's real and not online anymore

[alpine wraith]

time to put us in blizz code to fix everything

with AI

i will send myself directly into getting premed fixed

[tribal blade]

HELL yeah

could you also fix all the other bugs while you're at it pretty plx ❤️

[tired hemlock]

What poison do we run as sub?

[vale pine]

leathal: instant poison
non leathal: (need talent switch)

• In m+ Numbing
• In raid Atrophic

[tired hemlock]

TY

[keen steppe]

Jesus

[vale pine]

Audio is (probably intentionally) still very bad
Video/images get better and better, you need to look for the imperfections a bit now, still obvious.

[tribal blade]

oh yeah the audio sucked

but the video was pretty incredible

[fossil forge]

Unc ur getting old Fr

[tribal blade]

I AM

[fossil forge]

increase wow playtime daily by 2x

[vale pine]

Audio might be kept intentionally bad

[fossil forge]

And some outlaw

To make u feel young

[tribal blade]

nah fuck outlaw haha

[vale pine]

because so much authentification/infrastructure depends on it

[tribal blade]

well fuck me playing outlaw

[tribal blade]

probably yeah

[vale pine]

as long as you have fun

[tribal blade]

it's just too spammy for me tbh

[vale pine]

I like subtlety the most gameplay wise still

tho i get bored a bit in m+

[tribal blade]

yeah sub is still the spec i gravitated the most to

[crystal bone]

im liking all 3 specs in keys but def sub in raid

[coral bear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void ocean]

id defo play outlaw a bit more if it only wasnt for the weapon dif

but weapon dif doesnt usually allow respec untill like 2 months deep into the season and at that point i just dont care anymore 😄

[graceful osprey]

That’s why I have a rogue for each spec lol or I’m mentally insane

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hand-on-shoulder-alright-bro-5NbbVJeSLs1etZYjpT

[vocal pulsar]

rogue connoisseur

[void ocean]

i think last time i played outlaw was in keys in df s3

[coral bear]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[coral bear]

is 685haste enough?

[hazy breach]

yes

[coral bear]

Thank you Eleem

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[coral bear]

Whats the timer i gotta use Guidon, before i use my burst (Blade + Dance)

[void ocean]

~1 gcd before

[fossil forge]

i set myself behind in crests for the weapon

It is what it is though

[coral bear]

Thank you

BTW is Deathstalker worth swtiching for?

its around 4% stronger in single target than Trickster

[fossil forge]

If you have enough haste its good for st bosses

[hazy breach]

If youve got the haste for it yes

[green torrent]

what does CN stand for?

[hazy breach]

Chinese probably, or castle nathria

[somber sun]

CN super sever 5k io strat

[coral bear]

Deathstalker requires a shit ton more haste?

[hazy breach]

"require" is probably pushing it, but you ideally want ~1100 haste yes

[coral bear]

Ok lemme see if i had something i canc ook

[fossil forge]

Cn supersrvr xialaobanban ekko

[coral bear]

cook*

[fossil forge]

4k LP

[coral bear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral bear]

Bruh without eye of midnight and crown neck its pretty much impossible

lemme check alternatives

[hazy breach]

You can craft engineering boots/bracers

But yes

It is rough

[fossil forge]

Classic

First reaction

[coral bear]

Ya but i already crafted rip

would be a waste

Is Deathstalker Haste Crit?

Or Haste Mastery

[graceful rock]

Surely I get eye of midnight from vault today

[coral bear]

Im able to get to 1050 haste

Worth switching?

[vale pine]

should be fine.

[still vector]

https://tenor.com/view/im-stressed-sheldon-cooper-panicking-nervous-anxious-gif-16590451 @graceful rock

[coral bear]

Thank u Fuu

Wondering if theres a guide

[hazy breach]

I mean you can sim it

[coral bear]

for Deathstalker

I dont know the difference

[coral bear]

Im dumb u right

[hazy breach]

The guides mention the differences

[vale pine]

^ simming is def. the way to go

[coral bear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral bear]

Yoinking the talents

from ur sheets

[golden totem]

Does the lura kill unlock Alleria vault or not?

[keen steppe]

I hope i get gideon or cosmos neck tomorrow

[fossil forge]

Very interesting concept

Almost looks like the game is balanced

[keen steppe]

Aug only 4k class crazy

[graceful osprey]

Rip fire mage

[keen steppe]

Time to play devoker for the case it will happen

[graceful rock]

No

[vital ocean]

really? i thought it would work like this too, i guess killing Lura then unlocks beloran loot ?

if you assume you havent killed beloran that is

[hazy breach]

Might, but also might not

[graceful rock]

I think they don’t because they’re different raids

Yeah killing Lura would unlock beloren

And Alleria would do the same but just for voidspire bosses

[distant sleet]

quick question from a noob sub rogue mythic raider, how do y'all do the paladins fight rotation wise? Do you just pump shuriken storm all fight as builder, or do you go back to backstab when they are just two and one? and do you just use black powder as finisher all fight?

[golden totem]

That's what I assume but I have not info

[graceful rock]

Builders: Shadowstrike -> Storm -> backstab
And I’m pretty sure you only press black powder on that boss unless there’s only 1 target hittable

You will probably use Storm on pull when they’re all 3 stacked

[somber sun]

[somber sun]

with current lp inflation, this is close to become real

[golden totem]

You strike in dance, storm outside.
Black powder unless there is 1 target (don't forget to play potent powder)

[somber sun]

Do you guys use dance + sectech on M saldahaar small adds or just cast black powder ( no PP ) ?

[coral bear]

Death Stalker at 1085Haste,

Trickster at 701 Haste

[coral bear]

I think its worth it

[coral bear]

Def switching, i just need to find a guide on ur icyveins to see the difference cause i havent touched deathstalker in, never

[somber sun]

nice Tmog

[vale pine]

diffrence depends on stats, but can be 4-5% dps even

roughly 3% in your case

[hexed wave]

Equipping mythic pbox to get accepted into keys then swapping to my heroic guidon is painful lol I’m hoping I can get into a mythic raid lol. It pains me to see heroic trinkets on my sub lol

so fun it’s keeping me from going assa

[hazy breach]

Swapping items while qeueing does nothing

They see your maximum ilvl anyway

[hexed wave]

Sorry, I meant it raises my ilvl, ohhhh

okay cool

makes sense I appreciate that

[random mason]

Also hows the like 1 ilvl gonna help u get accepted

[lilac stag]

you'd be surprised

[hexed wave]

People are dumb, you would be surprised lol

exactly lol

280, they see a 281 they get that person in a heartbeat

People min max so much is annoying for casuals

[lilac stag]

1 full ilvl is a decent amount of crests spent on upgrades

[random mason]

Yeah but they see a 280 rogue and like 10 275 uh dks

Who they pickin

[hexed wave]

but I get it they wanna time stuff

EXACTLY

[coral bear]

Sorry for the spam, im progging on Bel then Lura, im assuming Deathstalker is really king there right?

[random mason]

Did u voidcore the guidon

[hexed wave]

especially if you’re capped on crests too

I did not but should I if it’s heroic?

[vale pine]

Laura might be good for deathstalker

[lilac stag]

287 rogue had a more difficult time getting weekly done than my 276 (at the time) dk

[vale pine]

as its dominant single target

[lilac stag]

i'm just gonna run keys on the DK, not sitting in lfg is nice lol

[vale pine]

can def. play both tho

[hexed wave]

not sure if it’s worth voidcoring heroic trinkets but I guess if I have it might as well use it to upgrade if i’m never gonna get the mythic version

[lilac stag]

why wouldn't you

the cores are free

[random mason]

they're free bro

[hexed wave]

Yea idk don’t see why not ur right

[random mason]

just run 5 more dungeons

[hexed wave]

exactly

[lilac stag]

it's an ilvl boost and eventually a mythic crest saver

[hexed wave]

I just overthink lol

knowing the mythic exists pisses me off but yea i’ll just get on that!!

Thanks team!!! 🥰

That and gaze and it’s GG. Then maybe voidcoring my crafted wep last

3.2k, without your guys help I wouldn’t get there, trying to get 3.4 😂

[lilac stag]

why do you not have all 4 items upgraded?

holy run heroic, 2 prey a few bountiful and everything you're at +40 ilvl

not even counting keys

[coral bear]

Yeah true

[random mason]

bc i only do the things that are fun

[coral bear]

Its a free 40+ilvl upgrade that takes couple hours

[lilac stag]

a little work makes the things you consider fun, a bit more fun as you can push further

aka you're being lazy

[random mason]

yeah i am

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/rdc-behind-wall-mark-behind-wall-watching-someone-get-beat-up-same-opinion-rdc-mark-gif-7374947058651072334

[random mason]

still get invited so who cares

[hexed wave]

you asking me? idk cause I also work man lol

[coral bear]

?

Work or not

Ur doing M+

rather than farming a lil bit

[lilac stag]

and? theyre simple tasks and not even including just running keys

[hexed wave]

Right, cause I find m+ more fun?

But who cares tho?

[coral bear]

U do

[lilac stag]

lol

[coral bear]

???

[hexed wave]

I care to know what to do

[lilac stag]

this is why people dont like dps players and rogues

[hexed wave]

not how fast I do it lmao

[lilac stag]

you're there for one job, max it

[hexed wave]

I’ll be a healer and you’ll still find a way to make an argument lol

Insane buddy

[lilac stag]

healers aren't people

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-watching-eating-popcorn-drama-gif-12252109670276761360

[hexed wave]

Dude goes why don’t you have all 4 upgraded alrdy lol

[coral bear]

No

[hexed wave]

Some of us don’t sit home all day

and eat like the dude in the meme

Ask mom to bring food at the table LOL

[lilac stag]

roflmao

[coral bear]

Dude goes, why u complaining about not being invitied cause of ur ilvl, when people are taking couple hours of their day to get a 40+illv on the most important slot of their gear

[hexed wave]

unreal lmfao

[lilac stag]

goes to insults

[coral bear]

and ur not

[lilac stag]

since he doesnt have an argument

you literally are complaining about ilvl and getting 1 more ilvl

[somber sun]

??

[hexed wave]

It’s a valid argument, you guys told me to just upgrade and I said cool I will

i’m not complaining i’m asking lol

am I bitching and raging?

[coral bear]

Yah but u said, i didnt do it, cause i have a job and i prefer m+

[lilac stag]

now you are by tossing out insults

and that you dont care

good talk

[coral bear]

The responds seems a bit like it

[lilac stag]

✌️

[hexed wave]

Naw u were like amazed why I haven’t had it done asap lol

[coral bear]

No

[hexed wave]

like alrdy

[coral bear]

ur not listening

[small sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-cat-silly-tongue-tongue-out-gif-10876687325721113245

[coral bear]

Wtv

[hexed wave]

dude read the chat lol

[coral bear]

I cant read

[lilac stag]

not worth

[hexed wave]

we know it shows lol

[coral bear]

Insults

Stoic PFP BTW

but is emotionally imature

[hexed wave]

I’m not insulting lol the dude goes so? when I say I work lol

[coral bear]

You cant read, (IM NOT INSULTING)

[hexed wave]

Aight im done lol

[coral bear]

Thank god

[hexed wave]

Go log on the game lol u got the time

[coral bear]

Have a good one farming ur m+

server are down, like u

[small sleet]

Best time input to dps upgrade isn’t getting voidcores it’s gearing an unholy dk

[hexed wave]

See? how is that a bad thing lmfao

sorry i’m at work I forgot its reset day lmfao

my bad

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-gif-4268195663049291933

[hexed wave]

Yea cya lol

[coral bear]

I work

I worked 84hours last week whats ur excuse

[lilac stag]

well you could farm void cores on rogue while you sit in lfg for 30+ minutes

[coral bear]

5h30 to 18h00 in the north

[hexed wave]

exactly like who cares lol

[coral bear]

The issue is

ur giving excuses

then saying idc

ur just cringe

[lilac stag]

what's hilarious, rogue would be so good in keys if we had any utility what so ever

[hexed wave]

Naw dude, the problem is, dude gets weird and says basically why haven’t you done this and that, I do work lol, then goes why do keys… like ok man telling me how to play the game lol

I love asking for advice

and yall have been excellent lmao

so idk why the dude got weird

And you know what he prob did give me amazing advice too in the past not even hating it

[flat snow]

you said you had to work

[latent remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/share-this-cat-gif-14907778070298423829

[flat snow]

and he took that shit personally

[small sleet]

Utility is bad to have cuz then you have to press it instead of black powder

[flat snow]

lmao

[hexed wave]

yes I did have to work lol

Maybe I should have said I prefer keys which I did but of course I had to get explained every other mode I. the game like cool man sure

[lilac stag]

no he didnt he took the insults as someone not giving a shit and just decided giving practical advice to the "I need ilvl for keys but I dont want to do it" a block

idgaf what any of you actually do.

[hexed wave]

Bro I don’t need to go crazy on the ilvl for keys i’m not saying I don’t get invited at all I just said for min max purposes and for people who care sometimes I swap higher ilvl but I wasn’t aware it tells them my max anhwsys

which was nice to hear

Which helps big time

[lilac stag]

@short radish how's the future?

[hexed wave]

lol exactly

[somber sun]

Fim can you post more raid vods plz plz

[coral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/burrito-pass-peepohappy-gif-18706235

[alpine wraith]

idk why that seemed like a huge pack of cigs first

before i read burrito

[coral bear]

?? LOL

Ur body is in need of a smoke

maybe

[alpine wraith]

nah i never smoked

[flat snow]

open the schools

[vale pine]

#off-topic <- this way

[lilac stag]

american burrito smh my head

[flat snow]

reading comprehension at an all time low

[alpine wraith]

well tbh the max ilvl shown is funny sometimes for m+

specially for people in offspecs

it shows like 285 but then you check and they have 276 weps

woops

[coral bear]

Im realizing this xpac, that its better to choose vaults for ilvl upgrade, than for "bis items" cause they always change

Rings, Neck etc

Everypatch something changes

That was a mistake on my hand

[alpine wraith]

what is weird this expansion is all dmg trinkets suck

[lilac stag]

can boost the ilvl up even more by having 2 of the same trinket at hero void and mythic void while still having a champ trinket on. dont ask how I know lol

[alpine wraith]

they decided to have them have the worst numbers

[alpine wraith]

rofl

[lilac stag]

actually gearing an alt with the rolls and voids and myth achieve has been interesting

enjoying how little time it takes, which is nice for us working folk

[warm marlin]

idk im looking at gearing another guy who is 275 and at this point i just need to farm some 500 myth crests to upgrade everything i have in bags

[lilac stag]

i did the ritual sites and delve route for heroic gear. dont need nearly as many myth

[alpine wraith]

i find funny on my main each vault now is possible socket or extra coin

[warm marlin]

This was a guy who was collecting myth pieces from vault over the season and also mega highrolled out of bonus rolls

[alpine wraith]

instead of looking forward to the actual loot

LUL

[lilac stag]

sounds like a shaman

[warm marlin]

nah dh

[lilac stag]

oh no

haha

[warm marlin]

shaman is level 80

maybe soon tho?

when the xp buffs hit with 12.0.7 those guys are all going to 90

druid/hunter/mage/sham

[graceful osprey]

Mythic gaze or Guidon today

[lilac stag]

i'm content with rogue and redrogue

i pugged chim and imp which was interesting

atleast dk is instant invite for chim

[warm marlin]

ye i was gonna say

my fav pug had 4 dk 4 shaman for tremor

[coral bear]

Mythic Crown Neck today plz

[warm marlin]

(still wiped to fear btw)

[lilac stag]

4th group finally figured it out. they had a 10% wipe so I joined before sleeps. 1 pull and dead

group 2 is so nice for UH timings

[latent remnant]

praying for you

[coral bear]

Posting Penda's home adress if it doesnt drop

[warm marlin]

Lura neck surely out of dk vault 😈

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin I think I surprised our officers how quickly I got the dk ready. It’s now on the raid roster list.

Not sure if rogue or dk for bird prog since we just have one dk

[warm marlin]

If you have one dk belo might be the only fight rogue is better

[lilac stag]

yeah soak bot or grippy boi

They have to sort that out

[warm marlin]

it is absurdly fast

[lilac stag]

I just give options.

[warm marlin]

I had just gotten my 3rd vault on dk (and was gearing it kinda casually before) when I swapped it in on lura

[lilac stag]

I should hit 284-85 ilvl with this vault

[warm marlin]

and on 4th week it was 288

[lilac stag]

I need some trinket luck in vault

[warm marlin]

did you bonus roll blood on chim

[lilac stag]

no I didn’t bonus roll. used all for gearing. Wasn’t planning on pugging it.

[warm marlin]

dont be like me and forget to check the loot pool

blood removes the garbage trinket

[lilac stag]

however, if I goto chim reclear I think I’d get it. Everyone else should have it with bonus rolls.

The two important bosses.

which maybe I should do blood vault

Have to check loot pools

[astral gust]

Evisicrate during shadowdance or just spam stab?

[lilac stag]

[fiery fog]

backstab during dance

for max profit

[astral gust]

Shadow strike*

[coral bear]

no

[lilac stag]

Shiv

[coral bear]

Backstab and Shiv

is better during dance

[astral axle]

Rupture

[coral bear]

cause they get the dance buff

[astral gust]

Zzz

[lilac stag]

Rapture

[coral bear]

avoid shadowstricking

[fiery fog]

spam slice and dice during dance

[astral axle]

[lilac stag]

You have confused us all. Congrats.

#subtlety-faq

[coral bear]

Spam SAP on the boss while ur invis, it will slowly make him sleepy, and will do less damage during the encounter

[astral gust]

Im noob rogue, all humble help me

[lilac stag]

[reef canopy]

Pardon my noob-ness.....I've only been a rogue since teh start of Midnight....but is there a channel or person I can contact for a log review? I'm doing well with Sub...but I feel like I'm missing something with timings. I don't care much about having orange parse numbers....but I would like to continue improving

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/39vBwFT6bWPqHDmc?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11

[lilac stag]

Use !log please.

[coral bear]

Can someone check my LOG on Imperium LFR?

and tell me what i did wrong

[lilac stag]

going to lfr

[reef canopy]

!log

[astral gust]

Just spam shadowstrike during shadowdance or use finish move?

[gilded ferry]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[astral gust]

Singel target

[latent remnant]

why would you just spam shadowstrike

[astral gust]

It does more think..

Dmg

[coral bear]

https://giphy.com/gifs/slovakia-communism-socialist-XFaeLrHJGjtcmEmzcn

[astral axle]

No

[hazy breach]

Shadowstrike does not do more damage than eviscerate no

On average its about half the damage of an eviscerate

[torn turtle]

I think it was only old outlaws that spamming ambush was more damage

[astral axle]

hi eleem

[astral gust]

Ok tyvm

[vale pine]

the only time you use strike inefficiently is for the aa optimization

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[sick swift]

Gang, this might be a dumb question so I apologize in advance, but should I only use shadow dance is secret techniques is available?

if*

[vale pine]

in general yes

during shadow blades, your 2nd dance might be an exception to that

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[sick swift]

Awesome, thank you! My dps has admittedly been lower than I would like but this is my first expac trying sub so I'm still learning all of the ins and outs 🙂 thank you for your time

I had a feeling it was because I was dumping shadow dance on CD unless I had 10-12 seconds left on shadow blades CD but I haven't had an opportunity to test it yet due to the extended maintenance

[torn turtle]

Is imp wound poison worth taking over instant, or is the damage so small that numbing is better?

[hazy breach]

You can have wound OR instant as well as Numbing/Atrophic or Crippling

[earnest crane]

guys does anyone know why the dps number in details and the dps number in logs are diffrent?

[hazy breach]

Details counts the time spent in combat, logs count the time spent inside the dungeon, aka it includes downtime and deaths

[lilac stag]

In game dmg meter is shit

[earnest crane]

oh u mean logs dont stop when we are out of combat ?

[minor sonnet]

in game also is distorted if you have an aug in group

[lilac stag]

game is also distorted if you are out of range of the person logging

[edgy imp]

switching from sub to assassin for mythic + higher keys, whats the best talent tree fatebound or deathstalker ???

[small sleet]

Sub is good in higher keys if you’re just switching because you think assa is better

[vale pine]

wrong channel, but i think fatebound is currently the prefered choice iirc

[small sleet]

But also id ask questions about assassination in the assassination channel lol

[vale pine]

for subtlety you would want to play trickster

[edgy imp]

sorry i asked assass channel no one helped

[edgy imp]

ty

[vale pine]

you can typically go to guides or look at logs/raider.io

[small sleet]

I’d just look up the assassination guide on wowhead as a starting point

[shut mantle]

at what point is there too much mastery

im at 1400 mast with pot

do i just go crit flask instead at that point

[vale pine]

best is to sim

[shut mantle]

kk

[glass kelp]

Evisc slamming like two mac trucks

[radiant swift]

quick question regarding kicks and esp cc in m+ pugs - while i do focus kick often u have to switvh fast to some targets for either another kicl or cc - mouseover kinda fails alot and picking and clicking the right plate to then kick/cc is a mess - what can i do

[shut mantle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5pHSrozAfk7c5gKLf2Cxtq

Like theres just no way im ever taking any of these sim recommendations tho no ?

[vale pine]

feast as food - yes

the poiton - no

the problem is, the potion spawns a silence zone

even if it is good

[shut mantle]

the food i take

ye the silence is so aids

[small sleet]

Also you should not run weaponmaster it is bugged

[vale pine]

you can't play it

[latent remnant]

is there anywhere in the sim result you can actually see your stats other than counting it up yourself

[vale pine]

its impossible for melee to utialize well

[warm marlin]

html report stats section

[vale pine]

especially true melees

[latent remnant]

ahhh thanks

[shut mantle]

o i just took archon top logs talents

its fully bugged?

[small sleet]

Replace it with a second point in finality

[vale pine]

weaponmaster is slightly worse

[zenith flare]

As Trickster :Trickster: on all target counts: Try to ensure that you always have :ancientarts: active for your supercharged non-Secret Technique Finisher during :ShadowDance:. (This can mean using :ShadowStrike:/:ShurikenStorm: at full CP to activate it)
If i am on 7 cps I still use shadowstrike to proc apex and then do double finisher ?

[vale pine]

so finality is better, mostly because the clone attacks don't work with apex

[lilac stag]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[vale pine]

basically think of it like this

you play trickster

seecret cd is close, you stop using finishers

once secret is off cd

you slam your secret + dance macro

after secret you strike

and this is the point you look at the optimization

is aa up?

if its up, you just slam evis

if its not, you use another strike (you are almost guaranteed to have enough stacks, exception is only the opener)

[lilac stag]

next lesson, how to track and use sht stacks

[vale pine]

don't rly think you need to

as you get enough when you play correctly

especially when running warning sign

[lilac stag]

i mean if you play correctly you dont need to think about if you have AA ready

for some, seeing the actual sht stacks is easier

just options

[vale pine]

well, my point is, the optimization is simple if you look at it as a "once per dance"

while this perspective is probably not obviouse

[lilac stag]

simple spec getting overcomplicated? that could never happen in here

[vale pine]

because with the explenation i gave its rly just "ohhhh, i only need to think this one time at this very specific point"

and thats in general easy to understand

people have the tendency to over-analyze and complicate things

[zenith flare]

thank you fuu for the explanation, really in depth

[manic ice]

is there a downside to useing an evic+SD macro into SS>SecTech, roughly 2sec before sectec comes off cooldown

[small sleet]

Apexing sectech is not really good, it does pitiful damage because it only applies to the physical hit

So there’s no upside to doing that

[lilac stag]

you just hold dance for Sectech

[paper trail]

@vale pine do u optimize night evi for dance or only making sure u apex it

[vale pine]

you optimize darkest night too yes

[paper trail]

Which means u have to delay dance potencially 2 globals or so sometimes?

Or sit at full energy

[plush roost]

In blades u can send your second dance a bit early/late if dn is 1/2 globals out

Apex charged dn

Is stronger than sc sec tec

[paper trail]

Im gonna get baited into a dn joke soon

[plush roost]

Nah its been ran through in thos discord

For 2 yrs

Yur gud

[hazy breach]

Most of the time you are better of just sitting on 7 cp and then sending the sectech once its ready, this way you have more sht stacks and thus will get additional apex procs during dance

[paper trail]

Thinking if i should go ds on lura or not

But have never played it prior so might be less overall dmg incase i dont optimize good enough

[small sleet]

I’m going ds on lura purely because it sounds more fun

[plush roost]

Youre also not apexing the sc evis when you do this which is bad

[hazy breach]

It should be better even if you dont play it well

But as DS you ideally always apex your darkest night, and supercharge as many of them as possible

Like the gameplay pattern is often to sit at 1 stack of mark, build up 5 sht stacks > evis > dance+storm macro > DN

[manic ice]

appreciate it, thanks

[plush roost]

Chasing the high of getting 5 quietus procs in my blades

Just back to back to back dns...

[paper trail]

Goat, appreciate it

[hazy breach]

Imagine being able to have 1.1k haste at this point in the season, couldnt be me, because im a stupid noob who doesnt have the alleria neck

And i could waste crests to craft a pair of haste only boots and then recraft my other slot to haste

But that would be grief for m+, so i dont wanna do that

[paper trail]

Alleria normal neck on rogue 💀 alt dh got mythic 💀

[small sleet]

I’ve heard from reliable sources that charrend is gear carried

[plush roost]

Got it warbpund week 1 of season

[hazy breach]

Lost a 97 on it once

Enjoyed that one

[warm marlin]

chasing the high of dropping alleria neck so I can spec into my other hero tree

[hazy breach]

Phenomenal design innit

[warm marlin]

muh haste "tax"

[small sleet]

Realistically what’s the lowest haste we can make work here if we’re locked in

[warm marlin]

tfw taxes are all of my income

[paper trail]

Its more about ping than lock in

[warm marlin]

it dont even work like that for ds man

its sectec cdr

there is no escape

[small sleet]

What if I just unbind sectech so it’s not a problem

Can’t cast abilities I can’t see

[warm marlin]

how will we ever get the sht for our apex dn now

[hazy breach]

Ill just have to loot a haste heavy item from mr sporeman in the .7 patch ig

[warm marlin]

have you been bonus rolling alleria

[hazy breach]

No because i havent killed it

Hence the stupid noob part

[latent remnant]

I've only killed alleria once when guild had extra time with reclear day

[warm marlin]

oh i thought your guild was still raiding a bit

[small sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/jediwizard4-toy-story-toy-story-1-toy-story-1995-toy-gif-18194916663120788457

[paper trail]

Once is enough for vault chance tho

[latent remnant]

I got it with bonus roll no need for vault

[hazy breach]

Eh, its like a bunch of the people from the guild, but we need to "pug" like 6+ slots or so, including most of healers

[paper trail]

Praying for lura ring in vault NeXT w surely

[hazy breach]

"pug" in this case being friends of friends and/or alts

So not like LFG pugs, but still

[latent remnant]

going to be funny going into lura next week with the glaives being taken out back

[warm marlin]

ah that is tough

[strange chasm]

Is Aleria pretty free after the nerfs now

[warm marlin]

i dont even think im bringing rogue to reclear ngl

dark times

[hazy breach]

Almost killed it this week after like 15 attempts, so yeah pretty free

[strange chasm]

Lura is going to be a different boss this reset lmao

[hazy breach]

So until like 2 weeks back when we had scuffed healers we just never bothered going for paladins, because you know, healer boss

[warm marlin]

I mean having to get all your healers from friends helping out is devious

[hazy breach]

2 of those healers guilds disbanded after prog though so we're good now

[latent remnant]

rough for them but good you have healers

[warm marlin]

we had a nice race going on for server second and it looks like 2 of the guilds racing with us may have exploded

one already did and the second looks rocky

lura is breaking spirits

[latent remnant]

oh

[swift tinsel]

W

[latent remnant]

i guess this doesn't change too much for me unless I'd get giga lucky with vault and bonus rolls

[modern sentinel]

oh?

[hazy breach]

Looks like the haste crafts are back on the menu

[empty bobcat]

800 haste is for box in raid right? since most ppl that play box in M+ have literally no haste at all on their gear, just pure mast/crit builds

[modern sentinel]

shiiet,reason to play more wow ig

[warm marlin]

I do kind of wish they would just half the crest cost (which would stack with myth achieve) rather than remove the cap

I know why they do the cap instead but man

[modern sentinel]

I just want mythic shoulders

[empty bobcat]

same

I have 300 myth crests resting without any purpose

[lilac stag]

Damnit. Crest cap removal means I have to do some keys on rogue.

[paper trail]

Time to shine now then

[swift tinsel]

cleared crest debt just in time for cap removal

[vale pine]

time to do more m+ ^^

[swift tinsel]

nice servers up an hour early too

[vale pine]

i still need to farm nexus point

:::/

[swift tinsel]

I have a few to do yet, need to get pit neck, then cloak/boots from skreach

[latent remnant]

time to find out what they've broken this reset before it happens in eu tomorrow

[swift tinsel]

maybe boots from npx

I think I have that and cloak left there

but I'd prefer skreach cloak

[vale pine]

i need rings

and nexus is best for rings

[sharp seal]

omg, taking day-off tomorrow

[latent remnant]

did nexus have leather head i forgot

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange chasm]

DS to the moon now???

[vale pine]

if you stack haste, it becomes good

[latent remnant]

2/7 chance for good rolls if i go in there

[vale pine]

but you would only play it on single target

[strange chasm]

Now that we can recraft and get haste.

[hazy breach]

Aetherlume stonks

📈

(thats the name of the engineering crafts, which you can put all haste on)

[latent remnant]

[strange chasm]

So we want 1100 haste with flask? + as much mastery or crit as we can

[hazy breach]

Yes

[vale pine]

split the rest between mastery/crit ye

[hazy breach]

Ideally mostly mastery, but beggars cant be choosers when it comes to those haste heavy pieces

[modern sentinel]

should buy out the ah? stonks etc and that shite?

[hazy breach]

Nah

[modern sentinel]

fuck,forget what I bought the most of in AH in legion and made mad profit

[strange chasm]

Can we use lura neck with DS

if we dont have aleria

surely its an ok combo

[small sleet]

if you can find the haste elsewhere there's no reason you cant

[elfin plank]

I have 298 Hungering victory & 298 , is 295 Farstrider's mercy with hunt still a good way to go?

[plush roost]

just hit

[small sleet]

HES SO GEAR CARRIED MAN I CANT

WHEN WILL HE STOP BEING LUCKY ITS SO CRAZY.....

[plush roost]

i took 3 sockets stat of season btw

[strange chasm]

not the ring but its not bad either

[small sleet]

that doesnt fit my narrative though

[bronze hatch]

ok so how long has shadow dance had an aggro drop element to it? I feel like I remember hearing about it 10 million years ago

[hazy breach]

Since it was introduced in wotlk afaik

[chilly tree]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

bro has 2 hero pieces on in that picture

bro is down bad

[half comet]

whats the fastest way to get the ascendant voidshards? is it 100% drop from everything now?

[somber sun]

NA reset rn ?

[small sleet]

quit using facts i need excuses for why charrend is better than me

[warm marlin]

abuses beta to get blizzard to nerf things he doesnt like..

[small sleet]

its so typical....

[modern sentinel]

wish you could voidforge rings

[somber sun]

ohh crest cap removed ?

( eu peasant )

[swift tinsel]

wouldn't be the worst thing since they're basically useless after you get the 4 which is very easy to do

[modern sentinel]

no cappucino

[swift tinsel]

and you still accrue them

[keen dome]

I'm gonna get a helm from vault tomorrow

and then one roll the pants from pit

[swift tinsel]

woyer got hero guidon and the rest were token takes

[keen dome]

and then I'm done with gearing and will go afk until the new raid

or I'll remember i've yet to get aotc for lura

[somber sun]

290i then ?

[swift tinsel]

I think my play now is skreach rolling

which I haven't gone to yet

[keen dome]

Close to it. I'm 286 atm with my OH still 285, two heroic items (Helm/Legs) and cloak not upgraded

[swift tinsel]

then next week take socket tokens for bracers

[keen dome]

Alleria neck is gonna remain my only heroic item 'cos can't replace it

[small sleet]

you can craft shit to make up the haste with crest cap gone

[keen dome]

yeah but effort

[small sleet]

TRUE

[keen dome]

Not like it matters since the neck is just secondaries

[lilac stag]

Of just use the 700 heroic crests you’re sitting on

[dusky yacht]

Crests cap removed next reset apparently

W

[keen dome]

efffffort

[somber sun]

Invite me so we farm 4k mythic crest in 11h

[ornate lake]

Read 12.0.7 patch notes
Nightbane is back
Nimble flurry again cleaves shadowstrike and eviscerate
Apex bug on premed is fixed
Personal apology letter from blizzard arrives in mail
Wake up

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-peter-griffins-family-guy-gif-7170375386148526375

[hazy breach]

Idk the premed thing is one of the least impactful "bugs" we have

Unless they decide to ultra buff strikes again

[small sleet]

cloud cover returns with a vengeance, it applies to all the nodes again and stacks up to 5 times

[swift tinsel]

if I secure pit neck then I can guarantee my last slots and just rock hc guidon bc it doesn't matter

[dusky yacht]

Omg why did you do this to me LMAO

[small sleet]

bro why are 12s impossible to get into actually

i swear i get rejected from every 12 i apply to is this what pugging is like

[dusky yacht]

Those are the wannabe meta players who don’t even understand the meta they got their info from a 2 month old vid and don’t read patch notes

[ornate lake]

There is unity in suffering. And suffering in unity. We all go down together.

[dusky yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-life-rn-life-right-now-drowning-dying-gif-5652813

[hazy breach]

Whos we, im vibing

Sub is pretty good

[dusky yacht]

It is, cleave would be amazing tho

[swift tinsel]

I like the boss killing part

[small sleet]

AM I LOSING MY MIND

[swift tinsel]

Something to spice up aoe would be welcomed

[small sleet]

ive applied to like 15 12s

and i cant get into em LOL

[swift tinsel]

That’s how it usually is lol

Welcome to pugging as dps

[astral axle]

sub fun

sub cranks 😀

[warm marlin]

I love 12 groups

[somber sun]

may I ask how much mastery you have ?

[warm marlin]

I saw brew mw outlaw outlaw in a 12 recently and title is “lust”

Gets me every time

[small sleet]

these people make no sense to me

[swift tinsel]

comps in 10-14's are funny

the triple paladin ones are my fav

[lilac stag]

they make plenty of sense. They don’t want to waste time in their key so they take the highest io and ilvl for specs they are used to playing with.

or they go full meme.

post your key as a 12. You’ll get people

[small sleet]

im 3988 io though, like not to ego but if i saw me id invite me instantly

[somber sun]

no

[lilac stag]

I mean. I generally avoid anything over 3400 in my 12s.

[swift tinsel]

the meta tunnel vision exists

[somber sun]

the 2k io uhdk is a better option btw

[lilac stag]

burned way too often on pushers dropping at the first thing that isn’t perfect

[ornate lake]

It was better you know.

[small sleet]

normally id get this but with voidcore bonus rolls being a thing, you're more likely to have people stick it out since it doesnt matter if you time it

[ornate lake]

Aside from the bloated buttons like symbols and flag

[warm marlin]

Nah I just think it’s funny when they are sitting there in queue looking for meta comp raid buffs lust etc when the key would already be timed and done if you took the first 3 reasonable looking applicants

We go through a lot of sets of drums in my 12s lemme tell you

[swift tinsel]

weekly keys with the most random comps have often been pretty smooth runs anecdotally

[lilac stag]

Ah yea. Idk we usually drag along some lower ilvl healer or dps if we’ve got a couple of us

but that’s not normal I don’t think

[glass kelp]

Could try getting some homies or guildies. I think I've pugged like 3 keys this season

[ornate lake]

That's why I love 17-18 range. Everyone just free balling. No try hards at this range. Just pick up a combat ress, lust, a raidbuff spec and full blast.

[lusty solar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

Well when your schedule doesn’t vibe with others in guild, you do the LFG thing and make the best of it. Keys really don’t mean shit to me outside of being a means to an end for gearing.

[glass kelp]

That's fair. Only reason I'm pushing past 12s is my friend is a big pusher and got me into them. Short of him and the group I was introduced to I'd just fill the vault and call it a day

[warm marlin]

Uncapped crests means I don’t have to do keys anymore to gear past a certain point at least

T5 Ritual site into convert up is a much more enjoyable experience

[lilac stag]

10 spire group. 2700io. 2 minutes in LFG

on the dk of course hahaha

[swift tinsel]

there's like no weekly pits listing rn I'm sad

[lilac stag]

pit is so fast they’re instant gone

[swift tinsel]

yeah its annoying lol

I just need 1

can potentially effectively finish gearing today

[unreal silo]

deleted lura p4

[dusky yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/buffalo-bill-idfuckme-silenceofthelamvs-gif-4094144

[dusky yacht]

Sick

[modern sentinel]

goodbye horses

[dusky yacht]

It puts the lotion on it’s skin else it gets the hose again

[modern sentinel]

kinda eerie vibe all over that movie

for good reason but still

[dusky yacht]

Yeah where are the comfy serial killer movies

[modern sentinel]

ye watch Zodiac to be calm

[sterile mango]

Did anyone else rock the PVP Neck for a long time? The Novice Combatant's Necklace?

[indigo drift]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

today's signup note

[hollow spear]

Can't disappoint him if you don't get invited

[keen dome]

would instantly invite

[swift tinsel]

reset day got hands lol

[upper flame]

Hey, so sorry to bother you all but I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information about what our top secondary stat is... I thought it changed from mastery to crit now, but now I'm seeing people saying mastery is best again? Am I going crazy? I thought it was crit. q_q

(For single target raid)

[swift tinsel]

it worked lmao

[keen dome]

🫡

It always does. People really underestimate how much a good note makes you stand out

[somber sun]

Do they read it even ?

[west tide]

yoo i gota plume in my vault

[warm marlin]

the actual best part of this is apparently my homies invited you

[timid rose]

hmm.. the question is. 6/6 amulet better than crafted myth neck?

6/6 hero that is.

[west tide]

i think in farm im just gonna play my mage

[bronze hatch]

chain is better

my 6/6 champ chain outsims every myth neck ive found

[small sleet]

real recognize real

[warm marlin]

just saw a details screenshot get posted with a certain reldo name in it

very funny

[somber sun]

how pug-able is mythic paladins ? Kinda interested in rolling for ring

[small sleet]

LOL

[hearty steeple]

hello, this macro the potion not working : #showtooltip Shadow Blades
/use Light's Potential
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades

used to work, then when i got the higher quality potion it stopped working

[vernal drum]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[timid rose]

kinda what i was thinking, hero 6/6 with 2 sockets nets like 3 more secondaries vs 285 crafted, plus leans heavier into stats I want.

[bronze hatch]

also proc

[timid rose]

oh, sorry amulet of abyssal is simming like 3k over the chain

[warm marlin]

did you allocate haste elsewhere to make chain not terrible

[timid rose]

oh hmm, no. now i need to do maths

[warm marlin]

time for the 16M iterations top gear sim with full recrafts and regems

[fringe lava]

the fact that this needs to be done and my guild does droptimizer to help officer decide on RC decisions make it so ill

[warm marlin]

yeah you just need to request that you send a top gear instead

droptimizer no good

[small sleet]

you just have to game your haste so the items you want show as huge upgrades

[warm marlin]

(really all specs should be sending top gear but i digress)

[fringe lava]

but wouldn't top gear assumes i have everything

[small sleet]

or just tell your officers the item is good

[swift tinsel]

neck secured, time to finish off npx loot

[fringe lava]

that's what i do but theres also some blurry line where its good with certain jewelry that i aint in possession of yet

[warm marlin]

no, run with your current gear and manually add the item in question (like alleria neck), set all your crafted items to check both haste/mast and crit/mast or whatever, check replace gems and look at those too, run with crit/haste/mast flask

[fringe lava]

^thats what I've been doing every week and its so ill

[warm marlin]

yes

what can u do

[fringe lava]

at least now we are just extending lura with 0 reclear so im free till we kill it

[winged shore]

Boys we are moving up in the world

[warm marlin]

tbh what i did was just pass everything

sub was quite bad during prog

i should never take alleria neck or something from a ddh anyway

[hazy breach]

Turns out the spec gets better when you buff it by like 8%

[warm marlin]

yep

[fringe lava]

yeah but im probably better than my ddh players

[warm marlin]

i kept putting major upgrade and kept getting loot when the spec was dogwater

so i resorted to passing

good times

[fringe lava]

tbf i topped my belo'ren prog kill so i deserve the loot kek

[winged shore]

The alleria neck really throws off stat budgets, I don’t like jewelry being so heavily mono stat

[small sleet]

it sure helps for deathstalker lmao

[sterile mango]

There's so much mastery on this thing. I just got the Myth Pit of Saron neck in my vault. And even at max ilvl it's simming lower

[winged shore]

I’m running crafted neck and nexus rings and the stat spread is right where I want it

[vernal drum]

@vale pine Thx for the work btw

@hazy breach same

[fringe lava]

im running pvp neck + myth pit ring + heroic MT ring

honestly might have to craft a neck since not reclearing

[vale pine]

[winged shore]

Yeah none of them had the stat spread I wanted so I just crafted, it’s been fine

[vale pine]

you can also craft the engineering stuff tomorrow

if you want specific stats

[fringe lava]

wait what

[vale pine]

as you can put one single stat on it

[small sleet]

or just craft it today if you're good at the game

aka na

[vale pine]

there is only specific slots for that tho

[small sleet]

there's head boots and bracers

for engi

[fringe lava]

thats great more calculus i must do for my character to get near negligible gain

[winged shore]

Yeah I’m running head as my off set slot instead of pants

You have to pick up 50 extra vers but that’s meh overall

[winged shore]

Using the devouring knight’s visage not eng goggles right now though

[vale pine]

boots

they all are named aetherlume

[fringe lava]

wait so i can craft these haste and go pure crit mast crafted and jewelry

or what

[vale pine]

you can go with one pure stat on these

so if you need e.g. a bit more haste on deathstalker

[small sleet]

for example, im crafting a second pair of boots that are pure haste

[winged shore]

Max level eng helm will be like 150 stat

[small sleet]

so i can swap 120 haste back and forth easily

[swift tinsel]

@keen dome now for npx queueing

[vale pine]

🐈‍⬛ 🐈 -> 🕵️

[swift tinsel]

debating if I want to put together an outlaw set as well

[small sleet]

the real issue now is gonna be finding someone who actually took the time to level engi

[winged shore]

I can craft them, not sure what shard you’re on

[small sleet]

im on mal'ganis

[lofty tundra]

IS this the life of a rogue

[small sleet]

yes that was me earlier i was complaining in here about it

[winged shore]

I’m on the icecrown/malygos/garona/etc shard I don’t think we’re the same ☹️

[small sleet]

yea we arent, thanks though!

[high star]

Dps Que life 😢. I have this and a survival hunter. It’s double the annoyance 😂

[swift tinsel]

reset day and they uncapped crests so everybody is queueing like mad

[timid rose]

wait, what did i miss about going all in on haste?

[fiery fog]

how does that work

[small sleet]

you need 1100 haste to play deathstalker effectively

[winged shore]

The problem is going for 10s, you are competing with so many people

[timid rose]

ohh ok

[small sleet]

most people havent really been playing it because its hard to swing that much haste

[timid rose]

nothing i need to worry about right now 😄

[winged shore]

Do 12-14’s, way quicker invites if you have io

[small sleet]

but the uncapped crests make it a lot easier to just craft some extra shit

[timid rose]

just floating around doing keys at this point

[fiery fog]

with bonus rolls you should have about 6 myth track items by now

unless you got slot dupes

[devout helm]

Are people moving away from trickster? I've been sitting at the 700haste break point for a minute

[fiery fog]

no

[small sleet]

no, deathstalker is just better in pure single target

in all other scenarios trickster is better

[fiery fog]

deathstalker is named that way because youd likely want to stalk death after playing it for more than 5 minutes

[devout helm]

I see, I've been using trickster for both, appeared to be what most rogues were using on archon

[small sleet]

yeah, there's really no need to play deathstalker, im mostly doing it for the hell of it

[timid rose]

that and going that heavy on haste wasn't exactly worth it eh?

[small sleet]

i mean its worth it if you have the items to swap to to reach it

but yeah if your only gear set has 1100 haste thats probably not great

[timid rose]

is there a way i can just add line items for crit/mast on my crafted stuff vs mast/haste?

[swift tinsel]

in top gear, click the plus sign on it

[timid rose]

oh dang, thank you

[odd quartz]

do we macro dance into ST or just hit it fast lol

[lilac stag]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[jade oasis]

yeah and you have people with high rating actually sign up to them

i posted my 10 on my shaman

and i had people who were 3800 signing up

[swift tinsel]

yep, I'm doing delves to break up the decline farming lol

286 and 3k notg gonna compete with that lmao

also seeing a fuckton of double unholy, double devourer

[quaint breach]

I wonder at what key do 99% of players know their rotation. Sure aint 19

[vale pine]

hard to say

[swift tinsel]

managed two keys in the last three hours, considering myself lucky lol

[vale pine]

depends on what you mean with "know their rotation"

even at 16/17 people need to have hands

[warm marlin]

ritual sites and convert up crests is op for myth crests!

[swift tinsel]

need to grind iirc 160 crests

[warm marlin]

fast and big value

[swift tinsel]

I am dumb and converted early

I'm doing my delve runs quick

[warm marlin]

ye but crests are uncapped now

[swift tinsel]

I was lazy one week and was below cap

[warm marlin]

so u can giga farm it

[swift tinsel]

how many do you get per ritual run?

[torn turtle]

It’s not 11s for me 🙂

[swift tinsel]

assuming its on tier5

[warm marlin]

20 hero