now we are maybe 2nd to last or a bit higher
#subtlety
swift tinsel
we're 2nd to last
shrewd lantern
unless thane's rage gen got severely gutted
swift tinsel
on mythic
vale pine
kill timers are so low
calm wing
So should I try swapping to sin for mythic paladins ?
lilac stag
You’re dead weight on that fight
shrewd lantern
yeah so that hasnt changed
vale pine
you could play sin or outlaw
swift tinsel
and IP just got buffed
vale pine
but all rogue specs are not good
hazy breach
So should I try swapping to sin for mythic paladins ?
If you want to, i genuinely dont think it matters much
vale pine
blizz heavy handedly nerfed subtlety before raid release, and we haven't recovered from it
hazy breach
The dps check is very very lenient, most of the fight revolves around your healers
swift tinsel
you can macro spikes on dh
and literally never press it by itself
since it has infinite uptime and is 0gcd
swift tinsel
nah
swift tinsel
in midnight its not
shrewd lantern
yeah so idk
calm wing
If you want to, i genuinely dont think it matters much
Alright, thank you Eleem and fuu 
shrewd lantern
people be trolling
shrewd lantern
its often not even worth to dps during a gather
since you cant hit it all
"let me rip sectech with the group split"
swift tinsel
and if you pull with dnd at range you 90% slow everything so gg lol
zenith mirage
blizz heavy handedly nerfed subtlety before raid release, and we haven't recover...
ngl sub is pretty insane on most of the late bosses
we chilling
hazy breach
Sub is just very good overall now
ionic spruce
@vale pine Here is an example of the Shiv stuff I was talking yesterday. In this example I use Shiv before SecTec, you can see that its provide me the last CPs without delaying sectec, enabling the use of another eviscerate (instead of waiting 7 s at full cp).
swift tinsel
its pretty fun in raid, way less so in keys
calm wing
I enjoy it 
shrewd lantern
like doing vault keys
is one of the most boring parts of the week
even worse than spam p1 wiping on windchime
hazy breach
<@194804407706189824> Here is an example of the Shiv stuff I was talking yesterd...
You can do that if you want, you can also just not send the previous finisher
swift tinsel
Ive been mixing it up and doing outlaw weekly's
which has been a nice change of pace, literally
ionic spruce
You can do that if you want, you can also just not send the previous finisher
then you lose an eviscerate
calm wing
I would also play outlaw in keys but I came to realize that I don't have the hands for it
zenith mirage
using shiv to get 7cp before dance is lowkey like a 0.00001% gain if u play right u never have to actly use it
hazy breach
I meant as in you could argue you arent even losing an eviscerate, but my point was that it doesnt really matter either way
lilac stag
which has been a nice change of pace, literally
DK has been great change of pace. Also not waiting on invites for a year.
hazy breach
As you also generally dont need to sectech the absolute millisecond its up, as you tend to get it up a few seconds before you need it for blades later on anyway
swift tinsel
DK has been great change of pace. Also not waiting on invites for a year.
Its strong but idk if I could play it for more than a key or two at a clip
the insta-invite part is nice tho lol
shrewd lantern
being a ranged spec that doesnt ever stand and cast
besides cstar
is stupidly nice
swift tinsel
did a couple aug keys on the weekend and even at like 260 was getting invites quick to keys
ionic spruce
As you also generally dont need to sectech the absolute millisecond its up, as y...
not true, especially during add spwn in boss raid, sometime you need to sectec instantly
zenith mirage
not true, especially during add spwn in boss raid, sometime you need to sectec i...
which means u dont use finishers to ensure its up 👍🏻
u dont wna gamble sht stacks
ionic spruce
which means u dont use finishers to ensure its up 👍🏻
then you lose one finisher
hazy breach
Yeah but if youre gonna do that then youre better of not finishing before anyway
hazy breach
To get more apex during your pads
zenith mirage
gambling sht stacks is never consistent, holding 7cp is
if u wanna gamble instead of being consistent u can go for it but its bad longterm
swift tinsel
@lilac stag do I level spriest mage hunter or sham since today is calamitous
hazy breach
Yeah the thing is that the eviscerate outside of dance is miniscule, so it doesnt really matter
grim wasp
<@194804407706189824> Here is an example of the Shiv stuff I was talking yesterd...
do we have to use shiv? i thought it was not in rotation
zenith mirage
its better to go 5sht -> dance sectech instead of doing 1 extra evis
esp on lura for example
shrewd lantern
i dont even finish on lura pull
ionic spruce
Yeah the thing is that the eviscerate outside of dance is miniscule, so it doesn...
miniscule maybe, but still an increase
shrewd lantern
until add spawns
ionic spruce
what the fuck
zenith mirage
miniscule maybe, but still an increase
ur trading 1 ancient arts for 1 nondance evis
peak ice
So what do you do for the first
Like 40s
zenith mirage
thats not a gain xd
hazy breach
You also gain damage
By having more sht stacks for your dance
Which is why it kinda doesnt matter
zenith mirage
arguably if the targetcount is 1+ its always better to have 5sht going into dance
lilac stag
<@226395155098370049> do I level spriest mage hunter or sham since today is cala...
Shaman.
zenith mirage
can be miniscule on 1target but its just better to build a habbit of not finishing when u know u need to send sectech asap
peak ice
Someone let me know what sht is real quick
ionic spruce
By having more sht stacks for your dance
if you SHiv at 6 CP you don't consume stacks, easy
grim wasp
<@226395155098370049> do I level spriest mage hunter or sham since today is cala...
what is calamitous bro?
hazy breach
if you SHiv at 6 CP you don't consume stacks, easy
You consume stacks to build up to 7 cp
grim wasp
raceswapping panda probably a bigger gain
will do this soon tired of orc
hazy breach
Instead of sitting at 7 cp for 5 seconds
lilac stag
rerolling classes is a bigger gain than this argument.
lilac stag
VE always the answer
shrewd lantern
sometimes i time my rift to land at boss once add spawn dies
ionic spruce
Instead of sitting at 7 cp for 5 seconds
i would be interested to see if this is a thought or if it has been simmed
shrewd lantern
without burning step
zenith mirage
i would be interested to see if this is a thought or if it has been simmed
its common sense
ionic spruce
its common sense
doesn't exist sorry
swift tinsel
what is calamitous bro?
Delve story that’s great for leveling
ionic spruce
i want data
zenith mirage
take 2 mins and look at log numbers then xd
hazy breach
i would be interested to see if this is a thought or if it has been simmed
It has been simmed
grim wasp
Delve story that’s great for leveling
its from 80 to 90 only or i can do from level 1?
lilac stag
what about shiv during dance for danse stacks. 
waits to get muted by eleem
grim wasp
are we using shiv or no?--*
hazy breach
No
lilac stag
what else should we bring up from beta testing
peak ice
I don’t think I’ve even got it on my quick bar tbh
hexed wave
any new stuff for reset for sub or assa?
shrewd lantern
i dont have it talented
ionic spruce
forgot to mention that you obviously need toxic stiletto talent
hexed wave
perfect!!
grim wasp
-*/
random mason
already had 6 deaths what's one more at that point
swift tinsel
its from 80 to 90 only or i can do from level 1?
Idk if you can do them below 80
grim wasp
You guys know when season 2 comes out? already fed up with season 1
random mason
august
random mason
and loving the floorpov
he died twice on vexamus
lilac stag
idk whats with warrior mains
Defensive stance is a dps loss. Healer job keep zugzug alive.
grim wasp
I have a warrior alt i might just ditch him
grim wasp
icl if i see someone play male orc warrior
i have only male orc chars rogue war and dk
lilac stag
icl if i see someone play male orc warrior
1 more than most warriors
random mason
first death
shrewd lantern
i have only male orc chars rogue war and dk
eww male orc
female orc looks better
actual proper mogs
random mason
2nd death
grim wasp
I cant play a femal char
shrewd lantern
ok unc
random mason
both to mana bomb
shrewd lantern
people who say that either unc or 14
random mason
like just press one defensive at a time
grim wasp
people who say that either unc or 14
what qualifies as unc?
lilac stag
if you play assa I’m assuming you have carpal tunnel or arthritis.
grim wasp
shrewd lantern
if you ask the internet
over 25
ig
i got a friend who jokes its whenever you start balding
grim wasp
well im not balding
random mason
that's what they all say
peak ice
They’re already bald
grim wasp
just need to keep the test and you wont bald
random mason
there
grim wasp
do sports instead of playing 10 hours a day to start 💀
random mason
ffs
grim wasp
i play orc male cause its manly and looks like it is benching 120 kg
solid yacht
casually Andy here, got my first 99 on rogue
Was just a ilvl parse
Was 93 overall but still lit
random mason
i play orc male cause its manly and looks like it is benching 120 kg
there's only one BiS race
grim wasp
there's only one BiS race
male char 💪
solid yacht
Tauren rogue best rogue
vale pine
there's only one BiS race
female undead?
hazy breach
there's only one BiS race
grim wasp
I had a friend back in school who was rolling female chars
hazy breach
grim wasp
He turned out to be a trans 10 years later
shrewd lantern
I mean most male chars in wow are bodybuilder builds
grim wasp
I respect everyone choices in life 🫡
shrewd lantern
looks stupid for agi classes
grim wasp
orc male warrior is not agi how do you lift 2 Big axes looking like a bitch
shrewd lantern
I mean
grim wasp
rest is too small or looks out of shape
grim wasp
i play male chars in game and play with female outside not the other way 
enjoy female orc bro
shrewd lantern
i mean im just saying the average guy i know who cares so much about other dude's biceps
is usually quite zesty
grim wasp
it is a video game where i am playing a character why would i want it to look out of shape 😭
hexed wave
sounds like u know a bunch of average guys lol
ionic spruce
Thanks! Could you share the raidbot link? im interested
grim wasp
Hey i didnt say play kultiran
maybe you need to lift a bit to see this perspective
shrewd lantern
It's not a v shape its more boxy
grim wasp
still not a female whatever race 
shrewd lantern
I mean i keep a single digit bf % while doing it.
peak ice
Unc
shrewd lantern
unc indeed
grim wasp
I mean i keep a single digit bf % while doing it.
single digit bf 💀
shrewd lantern
bodyfat yeah
grim wasp
should be a undead female at this point
shrewd lantern
Unc
should see my server's tradechat
It's literally unc central
mfs talking politics
grim wasp
wow has an aging player base i guess it is normal
means your server is mature with educated people
peak ice
You can be immature and a dumb shit have a political take
shrewd lantern
No its clearly a bunch of uncs with receding hairlines under ballcaps
you can tell its that kind of person from certain "points"
grim wasp
all people i knew who were playing female chars have receding hairlines nowadays
statistics dont lie
shrewd lantern
If you wear a baseball hat indoors over the age of 14 you're just a certified cornball.
peak ice
This is giving Joe Rogan energy
shrewd lantern
peak ice
Going to tell me to listen to Andrew Tate soon
grim wasp
Going to tell me to listen to Andrew Tate soon
he said not to play female chars few months ago
puts you at risk
grim wasp
I think we should have been able to customise muscles and put some more on some races
red flame
puts you at risk
shrewd lantern
We can't even have helmets in wow without going bald underneath.
asking for real character customization is a stretch
vagrant fulcrum
I think we should have been able to customise muscles and put some more on some ...
forearms in wow aren't SWOLE enough yet
red flame
asking for real character customization is a stretch
True & real
Would be awesome tho to be able to have lots of choices for small details tho
Tattoos, piercings, etc
swift tinsel
if you're a dh that's 1/4 of your tier chests
fiery fog
sub is pretty good atm yea
shrewd lantern
sub is pretty good atm yea
Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)
fiery fog
Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame ...
kinda surprised to see sub so high
shrewd lantern
shh
fiery fog
and that includes paladins
shrewd lantern
random mason
Wdym its literally the most balanced its been for a while
Apart from feral and like 1 mage spec being dog shit
swift tinsel
lol its nice to see 2 of the bottom 3 being mages
peak ice
Mage going to get a 40% buff if we keep mentioning it
swift tinsel
nah they've been down there for a while they're safe from buffs
then getting an insane glowup in s2/3
alpine wraith
does killing belo ren unlock alleria loot in vault?
peak ice
No?
swift tinsel
I think raids are modular as far as vault goes
grim wasp
forearms in wow aren't SWOLE enough yet
Indeed looks so thin 
grim wasp
just killed the 1st two bosses on mythic for the first time
Gratz
prime glen
off the cuff, does anyone know if heroic Light Company Guidon + Gaze of the Alnseer fully maxed out is better than a mythic track Algethar Puzzle Box + Embering Feather
fully maxed out both obvious. one the myth track, other heroic raid
stone vessel
I'd swap
prime glen
the S tier those raid ones sit at has me wondering how much stronger
stone vessel
agility gap might not be too much compared to effects
prime glen
ah
stone vessel
but try it out
lilac stag
you want guidon for the on use. a heroic base level is better than any level of puzzle box unless you're pulling around it in keys.
prime glen
ew ur right. didnt even realize
stone vessel
feather is a budget guideon
prime glen
ok
stone vessel
feather is trash
I'm still stuck with it 😭
lilac stag
it's ass
prime glen
thx
lilac stag
I'm still stuck with it 😭
craft DMF Hunt trinket, it's likely better
peak ice
Yeah I’d just void orb thing the heroic guide and gaze
peak ice
craft DMF Hunt trinket, it's likely better
It’s 2 embellishments though
lilac stag
and?
lilac stag
and?
if your trinkets are absolute trash, it's an option
gearing isn't instant
you craft improvements when you can
peak ice
Feathers not trash though
lilac stag
it 100% is
plucky moon
Guys, puzzle box or guldron for m+?
peak ice
Not as trash as Darkmoon dominion
lilac stag
you're not using 2x on use
lilac stag
Guys, puzzle box or guldron for m+?
guidon
peak ice
Don’t use 2 on use? He said he’s got gaze?
lilac stag
Don’t use 2 on use? He said he’s got gaze?
and he's listing out 2x onuse.
and one is absolute garbage
peak ice
Oh you are correct, I thought he said he had gaze
red flame
Oh you are correct, I thought he said he had gaze
he did 
he asked if "hero guidon + gaze" is better than "myth pbox + feather"
peak ice
I’m confused as to why you’d craft hunt then?
red flame
did say gaze, but listed the choice as double on use
red flame
I’m confused as to why you’d craft hunt then?
he meant in a hypothetical scenario
you dont use double on use
hunt would be better than double on use
peak ice
Fair
red flame
but in this scenario yea obv gaze
or if you wanna go one further
you just wouldnt craft hunt at all
bc Crucible exists
you'd just go back to Crucible bc it sims rlly well its just low ilv
(assuming they didnt have gaze obv)
lilac stag
bc Crucible exists
It’s also timegated
sullen hare
lilac stag
So it’s not necessarily good if it’s a newer toon
red flame
i still have 0 clue how to even unlock it 
red flame
champ gaze or plume would be better than double on use tho
peak ice
There’s a dude with a little control panel
west tide
guys are ranged players bad..im parsin purples on my mage with no trinkets no bis..
mythico..
sullen hare
There's a little clump of NPCs hanging around a special void TV south of the portal back to silver Moon iirc
sullen hare
guys are ranged players bad..im parsin purples on my mage with no trinkets no bi...
A little coddled maybe but there's plenty of bad melee trust me
peak ice
If the crafted trinkets didn’t use emebelishments I feel like they’d be more relevant
fleet acorn
shrewd lantern
guys are ranged players bad..im parsin purples on my mage with no trinkets no bi...
wait till you see tank mains
shit is sometimes just orange if you press something every global
tidal solstice
guys are ranged players bad..im parsin purples on my mage with no trinkets no bi...
yes.
i parsed 92% during TWW s2 on a BM hunter using gse
an alt
you have to call lust everytime cause doing it on pull apparently needs a raid leader to call pushing your damn buttons
tidal solstice
give rogues lust and watch hunters and mages lose their damn minds
west tide
most tiers some tiers its not
tidal solstice
cause theyd be out of a damn job
icy helm
do you ever use shuriken or can i take that shit off my bars?
swift tinsel
storm, we use. toss, not really
alpine wraith
very rarely you would use toss
icy helm
yeah im asking about toss
even if you are running after mobs in m+ for example i would thing you still woundt use a 40 energy low damage crap like that
hazy breach
The only usecase for it is pulling something out in the open world
icy helm
ok, so off the bars it is 🙂
would've been cool if it was a dual cast ability that lets you teleport or something, might have been useful
fiery fog
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
violet palm
I toss in alleria during intermission to get full cp off premed
latent remnant
sending the shuriken toss on beloren before first egg phase because we were too far ahead on the boss so we just stood around doing nothing/hitting adds in the sky 🔥
plush roost
guys are ranged players bad..im parsin purples on my mage with no trinkets no bi...
I know a top rated healer player, played ranged healers only his whole life.
Will not play mw melee is "too hard and punishing" insane
And this is a spinning crane kick one button class rn xD
visual veldt
hey guys, do you use shuriken or shadowstrike in vanguard 2 target?
random mason
During dance u shadow strike on 2 targets
hazy breach
hexed wave
when does mast hit cap
hazy breach
per the #subtlety-faq
latent remnant
hey guys, do you use shuriken or shadowstrike in vanguard 2 target?
you vanish into swapping spec to assa
odd sandal
If you use a roll on the 1st boss of voidspire in heroic and then go mythic, will the roll loot table still have whichever gear u rolled in heroic or will it be updated?
hazy breach
No the bonus rolls are seperate per difficulty
tidal solstice
and spec
swift tinsel
the list was the same in npx for me as outlaw and sub
as far as items I'd gotten goes
sweet moss
Hey ccan anyone show there stat breakdown for raid atm?
random mason
700 haste
hollow spear
700/1.100 haste, rest mastery/crit
sweet moss
ye i mean after 700 haste
hollow spear
Mastery/crit
sweet moss
tryna decide what to socket
hollow spear
Lmao
hollow spear
You could throw vers in your socket and probably wouldn't notice
sweet moss
okay its that irrelvant
random mason
Just put the colour you like more
hollow spear
I usually use sockets to fine tune haste
sweet moss
ye
sweet moss
hella high mastery any reason?
random mason
Any crit i could swap in is a sidegrade
For ST
So i just run high mastery for m+ and dont have to swap gear ever
sweet moss
so u run those stats on ST bosses aswel
random mason
Yeah
hazy breach
yes just preference
random mason
I recrafted a bunch of shit and swapped crit in for the 2 weeks of cloud cover tho, shame thats over
shrewd lantern
I don't think any of them make a noticeable diff
leech can be nice since rogue sucks with ticking damage though.
random mason
i got all speed is that just preference
I normally ran avoidance but now i took leech, i feel fast enough so i wouldnt run speed on rogue
On like pala or dk tho
Speed BiS
sweet moss
yeah makes sen se
random mason
does pala even need
Dunno the ones i see seem slow, but im also spoiled with sprint and step
sweet moss
exactly 700 haste i can reach if i swap a gem
shrewd lantern
rogue is probably up there for mobility
random mason
And i could get bitro belt if i didjt always forget to put it on belt
swift tinsel
rider dk insane mobility
shrewd lantern
its a reason i never took warlock gates
swift tinsel
paladin not so bad with double horse
shrewd lantern
often because step is just
too good
besides mechanics that dont involve following a mob
swift tinsel
sub gains a lot of passive speed
swift tinsel
with shadowrunner and fade we're zoomin
sweet moss
mby leech bis then
hollow spear
Everytime I read bis I'm getting an aneurysm
swift tinsel
iirc I went leech bc I play solo a lot
sweet moss
so ud say here mastery or crit flask would make 0 difference, or do i just go mastery to balance it (for st raid)
random mason
Literally doesnt matter
sweet moss
trinket giving crit aswel
cerulean mirage
so im playing myth guidon , hc gaze. should i play hc puzzle for m+? i dont understand the benefit from guidon , have 800+ haste without it
finite lynx
!apex
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
hollow raptor
tribal blade
so im playing myth guidon , hc gaze. should i play hc puzzle for m+? i dont unde...
you build 700 haste when playing guidon, also doubling your haste in blades= more gcds from both dances, more cdr from sectec and generate more sht which means more apex procs
dusky yacht
Plus
You get to use these gifs
And join the enlightened ones
Manifest guidon (龍花山海風)
Parse powerfully (電火空星月)
Bring pride to raidleader (虎雲雷川森)
Spread genetic information (夢雪天光石)
half nebula
hey, I was wondering if there is a general rule for using puzzle box and shadow blades. should I hold blades for 30 sec, for the second use? I know it doesnt apply to every situation but. (I know its not bis or ideal, just an alt)
tribal blade
hey, I was wondering if there is a general rule for using puzzle box and shadow ...
use puzzle with every other blades, it becomes a 3 min cd
half nebula
thank you
lilac stag
use puzzle with every other blades, it becomes a 3 min cd
I can't wait to toss this off a cliff.
tribal blade
I can't wait to toss this off a cliff.
TRUE
swift tinsel
enh wants it 
tribal blade
on your dk?
lilac stag
ye
tribal blade
damn
lilac stag
maybe get lucky with heroic guidon in vault
short radish
maybe get lucky with heroic guidon in vault
it dropped in a heroic pug i did and i paid 200k for it
best 200k ever spent
(for my dk)
swift tinsel
mine got it first hero clear vault and I cried a lil happy tear
lilac stag
did you see my DK sim after 5 days at 90?
short radish
what you simming bud
swift tinsel
aren't you at like 120k already lol
normal chasm
Is having 4 diff gem colours and using a powerful eversong diamond at all a decent idea (in a way that maintains haste bp)? Apologies I'm having to ask, but I can't seem to get raidbots to sim more than 1 different gem, and I've noticed vers seems to sim relatively decently for sub now
lilac stag
what you simming bud
short radish
notbad.jpg
lilac stag
passing rogue soon
short radish
dont ask why im human
short radish
white badger
@short radish i have rolled it 3 times on rogue - still dont have it
short radish
next week for sure 
white badger
i think its 100%
short radish
i think i spent 2 months with using puzzlebox
white badger
same
lilac stag
dont ask why im human
I need to farm crests. and replace 4 champ pieces
short radish
I need to farm crests. and replace 4 champ pieces <:dead:932888396316155934>
i just gave up and bought a mythic boe chest to cata
not using champ chest forever
lilac stag
ye
swift tinsel
one more delve til blueman journey begins
lilac stag
i may do that. gonna wait and see what delves and vault have for me
i need a chim kill next week, i gave up with the mouth breathers that cant interrupt
short radish
somber sun
i wish crafting costs went down as well
heroic craft into forge orb nah ? 
for mh at least
swift tinsel
crest system feels especially scuffed this go around
lilac stag
i need one more spark. so i can do ring and belt
I got the shoulders, platinum star band and box out of AA.
er shoulders were someplace else. the bis crit/mas ones
our actual DK is like WTF
warm marlin
<@135762418251988992>
gaze time
steel horizon
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
lilac stag
Idk what to even bonus roll atp
What’s the rest of the loot look like? I burned all 8 in dungeons. Reset will be gaze
ornate slate
So are we back to mastery haste preferred again?!
lucid jackal
What’s the rest of the loot look like? I burned all 8 in dungeons. Reset will b...
I have 4 bonus rolls left
Idrk where to spend em now
somber sun
Mythic lura 
ornate slate
What are preferred stats for raid now back to more mastery since cloud cover gone?
somber sun
.
fair stump
Can we evasion the fan of knives on skyreach first boss?
graceful rock
snuck in there
tiny sable
snuck in there
GRATZ
quick question am i ment to have 800 or 900 haste for no lights comp
graceful rock
800
peak ice
Recraft?
short radish
snuck in there
gz king
runic sinew
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
lilac stag
@short radish 
tiny sable
Recraft?
i have 2 crafts 1 haste mast 1 haste crit
i have a myth cloak without haste i can craft thta
peak ice
Either get to 800 haste or lose enough that you can use a flask to get to around 800
tiny sable
its 700 haste with lights company right
peak ice
Yep
tiny sable
hmm ok
peak ice
700ish
random comet
Not a DISASTER if you end up on 850 with flask or whatever
ornate slate
how much crit do we want vs mastery>?
tiny sable
Not a DISASTER if you end up on 850 with flask or whatever
ok
peak ice
!stats
wicked joltBOT
ornate slate
ok ill balance it out a bit mroe cuz i am doing some M+ too so would rather be mastery heavy
pastel wren
in how many targets should i use shurikens and black dust?
if i have 2 targets should i use that combo?
or should i use stab?
dusky yacht
I’m at work so I feel like I should pop in here real quick to ask how many masteries would be good for my statistical analysis
!stats
wicked joltBOT
dusky yacht
Thank you morbose
lilac stag
was your sign up "i press grip"
5/9 M. Instant invite
short radish
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
The AoE rotation on subtlety starts with 2 targets. This means:
Shadowstrikewith exactly2targets.Shuriken Stormwith2 or moretargets.Black Powderwith2 or moretargets.Hero talents:Keep usingEvisforCoup de Grace/ "Darkest Night`.
lilac stag
Nah we don’t have a command for all the commands
jade oasis
AHHHH
modern gull
If I have 2 maxed hero trinkets, but no myth track trinkets, am I able to trade a myth track 2/6 trinket that I loot?
lilac stag
you should be able to, but if you have two hero track you should upgrade them with void thingy to get the +10 and save you mythic crests later
halcyon star
Is it possible for someone to look at my logs and educate me on what im doing wrong? Im pushing mythics with my guild and doing atrocious grey parsing lol
tribal blade
lol yup
imagine me and arms having to run around soloing the orbs as melee
and having the mage just completely ignore them
short radish
swapping too hard
small sleet
couldnt be me, i just throw wound poison on, keep hitting black powder and act like they're not there
what i dont see cant hurt me
tribal blade
couldnt be me, i just throw wound poison on, keep hitting black powder and act l...
BASED
tribal blade
swapping too hard
i'm so ethical i'm sitting in a puddle of my own ethical tears
tribal blade
what i dont see cant hurt me
3# world sub rogue SHEEEEEESH
small sleet
thats how you know our spec is unpopular
tribal blade
1 good key away from 4k
tribal blade
thats how you know our spec is unpopular
yeah it do be like that some seasons
small sleet
ya almost there and then i can quit forever
tribal blade
i wonder how much more borrowed power we're getting from what they announced
if it's significant key levels may go up 1 more
small sleet
i dont think its a super significant amount, but i do think title will keep going up a good amount
tribal blade
for sure yeah
now that HoF is closing
and as more guilds finish prog
always have the people who don't push until much later in the season incoming
small sleet
yup
tribal blade
i'm currently on the copium train that all my posts on the wow forums are gonna get us our raid buff
tribal blade
<:WICKED:816490373731844116>
is that you too UwO
short radish
i wonder how much more borrowed power we're getting from what they announced
true. i wonder what garbage .7 is going to bring
warm marlin
is that you too UwO
ye if we do play its barely until raid prog is over
short radish
i'm currently on the copium train that all my posts on the wow forums are gonna ...
bro same. surely it's generated enough traction
tribal blade
true. i wonder what garbage .7 is going to bring
i suspect like ~2% or so
tribal blade
ye if we do play its barely until raid prog is over
nice nice
warm marlin
resi 19 acquired today
tribal blade
bro same. surely it's generated enough traction
it has sa decent amount of views!
warm marlin
chain inted 20s doing new super aggro routes
tribal blade
HUGE
warm marlin
good times
tribal blade
i just did some shitter 17/18s today
some of the people in that key bracket make me want to claw my eyes out of my head
warm marlin
finally roll pit 20
giga free key we have infinite 19 timer and we are like +10 ilvl since then
first pull our little dragon boy flies a little too far into another lich who promptly cranks our tank for 1.5M with an icy blast
good key fellas good try
tribal blade
LOL damn
warm marlin
certified classic
tribal blade
my favorite aug classic was 1st pull brackenhide
the aug breathes down the entire pack
through all the guys bladestorming
all the traps
short radish
tribal blade
he does a speedrun in getting hit by every single mechanic and dies
warm marlin
"killing spree ticking for 80% of my hp!"
tribal blade
lol trueee
another aug classic is being in a pug w/ voice and the aug is not in voice
we're about to go into the 2nd boss in underrot
no wait the boss is about to phase and run around
and right as the boss phases the aug sends breath of eons
and everyone in disc was like ......
no way that just happened
warm marlin
aug pugs are the devils work
tribal blade
i set up a breath of eons tracker with WAs back during those times so i could be aware when it went out
and it was both the best and worst thing i've ever done lol
the amount of bad breaths i've seen
is criminal
keen steppe
What does the breath?
tribal blade
What does the breath?
it's this
not sure how important it is anymore for augs to line this up with other people's cds anymore
small sleet
they send it on cd rn as far as i know
its a pretty low cd when you're playing scalecommander
tribal blade
but back when aug was introduced it was quite important for augs to make sure they could have as many major cds other people had active when they popped this
tribal blade
its a pretty low cd when you're playing scalecommander
ahh gotcha
i don't hear augs ever talking about this anymore so i just assumed it's less important for them to line it up now
small sleet
Their apex gives them a clone that does a lot of damage when they breath, so they wanna send it on cd to keep getting the clones too if I remember right
warm marlin
i don't hear augs ever talking about this anymore so i just assumed it's less im...
Apparently it’s like a 40s cd
press press
tribal blade
Their apex gives them a clone that does a lot of damage when they breath, so the...
AHHH ok
tribal blade
Apparently it’s like a 40s cd
gotcha
that's a lot healthier tbh
it became quite complicated running with augs before
you weren't just paying attention to your own cds, you had to be sure to be lining up with aug as well
small sleet
Yeah it seems like they finally got Aug to a spot where it can be strong like this season, without warping the game completely
tribal blade
yeah it's decently balanced now, phys comp doesn't need to run aug which is nice
too bad aug just brings so much unique utility
shadow lance
I don't feel like aumentation brings that much dps
warm marlin
Nah Aug damage is high
tribal blade
they do bring very good dps
shadow lance
Okay, I guess wlogs is scuffed?
tribal blade
you can see on the raid charts aug does a lot
shadow lance
I mean, in m+
warm marlin
Evoker toolkit is still very strong and Aug is a bit overtuned imo
small sleet
Their single target is extremely good in keys, and they bring a fair amount of utility
tribal blade
not sure about wcl keys tbh
shadow lance
But toolkit is big, yh
warm marlin
I mean, in m+
The group needs to be routing properly around the other members
Aug is still fundamentally a burst enhancer
tribal blade
they bring a LOT of aoe cc, zephyr, sleepwalk, aoe soothe, weyrnstone
dunno if aug still has scales for the tank
warm marlin
Cauterize
small sleet
Aug has scales but it’s not that strong anymore
tribal blade
ahh ok
shadow lance
Nha, utility of hte spec is big as fuck
warm marlin
When our group swapped from ddh to aug our burst went up noticably
shadow lance
Without knowing why
small sleet
Biggest thing this season benefitting aug for meta comp is needing lust
tribal blade
big true
tribal blade
bro remember when aug was introduced and having 1 in the group literally made you able to time keys 2 levels higher than you could before
it was so busted
shadow lance
Real
small sleet
Aug on release was actually disgusting
shadow lance
Coupled with VDH
tribal blade
i went from being like 50 points over cutoff
warm marlin
I rather have a shaman than a aug
Pug augs are also usually animals
shadow lance
Pug augs are also usually animals
Real statement
tribal blade
aug is one of the most rerolled specs for people who want to push title when it's good
because the difficulty curve to play it in keys is not bad
shadow lance
Isn't it easy as fuck to play?
tribal blade
from what i hear yes
small sleet
I don’t honestly think its any easier than other dps specs
tribal blade
i've also witnessed people who were making title when aug was OP
now unable to make title playing not aug
tribal blade
I don’t honestly think its any easier than other dps specs
that's fair, i'm just parroting what i've heard
small sleet
I mean no doubt it’s easier right now than it’s been in a while, but most specs are because of the pruning
shadow lance
I don’t honestly think its any easier than other dps specs
Yeah, I mean, "less active"
It's not a enhanc or ol
Must be UDK tier
tribal blade
i mostly heard that back in the day when it was released it was an easy coast to title playing aug
be it because of how easy it was/guaranteed invites or w/e
shadow lance
That's how grinds works easy. If you can go fast in keys, even if you're not really good a start. You improve faster/get carried more
small sleet
Just because of its design, it’s one of the most carryable dps specs if you’re playing halfway decent
tribal blade
Just because of its design, it’s one of the most carryable dps specs if you’re p...
THAT is exactly what i heard yeah
small sleet
Bear Druid players rn
warm marlin
It’s definitely because it has a rep of being very easy and desirable so the type of player who wants the “easy” path will suffer playing it
tribal blade
i've found bad tanks usually hit the ceiling pretty fast
small sleet
Some actual criminals just hitting thrash in keys they do not belong in
warm marlin
And thus they will be bad
shadow lance
UNtil they reach a point the class/gear can't carry anymore
tribal blade
esp if it's a season where tanking is hard
tribal blade
Some actual criminals just hitting thrash in keys they do not belong in
hahaaaa
shadow lance
esp if it's a season where tanking is hard
I got one in my guild who's just improvising everything
I hate playing with him
Always doing 20% dps less
tribal blade
yup it's omega tilting playing with a tank who's just winging their route
shadow lance
Cuz he's not chaining / taking few useless mobs / not playing during rp
"Oh fuck, I missed few %"
ofc, you're fucking route looks like a lfg dungeon
tribal blade
my favorite is the 3 single pulls in a row
into the mega pull
back to the single pulls
earnest crane
guys if u see a 3.7 affliction warlock in ur 19s will u take it or u just invite an 3.7 AUg?
tribal blade
guys if u see a 3.7 affliction warlock in ur 19s will u take it or u just invite...
aff is climbing right now
they're good
shadow lance
guys if u see a 3.7 affliction warlock in ur 19s will u take it or u just invite...
Depends if I need bl
tribal blade
i would not take a lock because that puts you down 1 raid buff
being a rogue you're already down a raid buff
earnest crane
no i want to know ppl chose meta over skill or no
vale osprey
guys if u see a 3.7 affliction warlock in ur 19s will u take it or u just invite...
Take it because it's a fun spec and we're playing a video game and it will add to my fun
tribal blade
no i want to know ppl chose meta over skill or no
i almost always choose skill over meta
unless the meta spec is required for the key
wicked urchin
tribal blade
like if you decided to run a priory without a DK you just cut your chances of timing the key way lower
earnest crane
i defently invite a non meta spec too if they have same score with a meta spec cuz i know most of high IO players are low XP seasonal change spec Players and most of them are dumb
tribal blade
look up their parses
it's one of the easiest ways to vet someone
it's not fool proof
but it can give you some insight into how good a player they are
raid parses, not key parses
earnest crane
some of parses are not updated the guy done 20s and his parses was for a 15
earnest crane
look up their parses
maybe that work only for non AUG dps only
tribal blade
from what i know M+ parses are kinda wack
raid parses are a bit more accurate for vetting
small sleet
Gotta look at their key% parses
tribal blade
mm is that how you can see their actual performance in keys? good to know
before everyone used to just look at raid parses
small sleet
Yeah key% parse is like a raid parse, but it’s only compared to the same spec in the same key level, so it’s generally a smaller sample size. It’s the sort of thing where if you see someone with all single digit key% parses they probably suck, but if they have some decent keys and some lower ones they’re probably fine
tribal blade
ahhh ok
is there a way to see that a bit easier or do you have to look at each individual parse
verbal tinsel
I saw a gigachad rogue today in one of my keys so that inspried me to make a rogue alt. Which one b/w subtlety and assassination is easier? I'm new to wow so both assassination and subtlety rotation look smol to me compared to outlaw 
.
small sleet
Uhh it shows pretty easily on desktop but I’m on my phone right now hold on
shadow lance
I saw a gigachad rogue today in one of my keys so that inspried me to make a rog...
Sub got less button
But both are easy
tribal blade
depends who you ask, but overall sub and sin are not super complicated
shadow lance
You just need to focus on different things
tribal blade
i tend to find sin slightly easier than sub in keys
because there's not a whole lot of lining up cds
shadow lance
i tend to find sin slightly easier than sub in keys
I agree with the statement
tribal blade
with sub you still have to make sure you're lining up blades, dances and sectec together
small sleet
I can’t get it to load as a desktop page, but if you click the drop-down to switch from raid to m+ parses, it will show the persons key% parses on the right side of the table
verbal tinsel
I see, I'll go with assassination. Thanks guys.
tribal blade
I agree with the statement
HOWEVER sin does have ramp etc
verbal tinsel
Is it like devourer's ramp? Or diff?
shadow lance
Spreading dots + cleave from big target
earnest crane
Is it like devourer's ramp? Or diff?
very diffrent u can keep the DH ramp but for sin u lose it every pack and must ramp again
shadow lance
And that target needs to live 20s +
tribal blade
I can’t get it to load as a desktop page, but if you click the drop-down to swit...
ahh ok i see, ty!
verbal tinsel
Ah gotcha gotcha. Honestly I like that better. It's always a ramp.
shadow lance
Everytime I play assa with friends, my main target explode
verbal tinsel
I guess it's not a big problem in higher keys?
shadow lance
Because they like trolling me
verbal tinsel
Ah haha.
tribal blade
sin feels way way better to play in high keys
when stuff lives
the only problem is sin is kinda paper compared to sub
shadow lance
Can't tell. Didn't play it above 18
shadow lance
I would say 19s abd over
small sleet
I’m sure sin feels fine in 16s
tribal blade
for me it's usually the key level that has the sudden big jump in difficulty
verbal tinsel
Yea I imagine lust pulls feel bad too.
Since the ads die so fast when everyone's pumping.
tribal blade
yeah it's awkward with ramping
verbal tinsel
But yea it doesn't have to be the best in lower keys, I just want a fun spec to play when I'm not playing my dh.
I did some research, seems like rogues also have good survivability. I just started this expansion as arcane mage because purple looked cooler, but got mad at start of season because I'd die so fast if I got pyroblasted by those pesky mages at MT for example if someone forgot to interrupt...
But seems like rogues despite low dr have lots of tools to deal with problems in case of an oh fuck situation coming in soon so hopefully I don't think I'll face the same frustration.
tribal blade
But yea it doesn't have to be the best in lower keys, I just want a fun spec to ...
i'm biased but i find sub much more fun than sin in keys now
keen dome
What more do we need
verbal tinsel
I like purple, if it's purple I'll play sub 
.
tribal blade
I like this new person
HAHAHAHA
small sleet
Give both sub and assa a try, and see which one you vibe with more
tribal blade
true he's speaking your language
earnest crane
i played both on +18 and +19 in those keys sub feel better for me and i can compite in overall dmg with all classes if i play sin i will get blamed at the end of the key
keen dome
Nice thing with Sub/Ass is you can very easily swap between them to try them out (who cares about stats to test, who careeees). But Sub is so very chill
I was doing timewalking last night to knock it out for the currency and lol Sub can just delete every single pack in a single sectec, it's funny
earnest crane
sub overall is so close to DK
small sleet
all 3 rogue specs are tuned pretty decent right now for keys
tribal blade
isn't sin quite high overall too
earnest crane
all 3 rogue specs are tuned pretty decent right now for keys
if u dont like ur fingers play outlaw
earnest crane
isn't sin quite high overall too
u will lose alot on bosses
verbal tinsel
Nice thing with Sub/Ass is you can very easily swap between them to try them out...
Yea M+ community is so funny sometimes, many arguments in chat haha.
void ocean
mornin kings
tribal blade
u will lose alot on bosses
i was playing sin a bit before and the boss dmg wasn't abysmal
it wasn't amazing
but i could sort of keep up
small sleet
Sin boss damage is ok, sub just has insanely good boss damage
tribal blade
yeah sub is really good boss dmg
verbal tinsel
😮
void ocean
that opener with prepull dance and light's pot when u hit all 3 superchargers with AA
tribal blade
if you stat correctly for haste sub has banger ST
in key talents
it's actually kinda hilarious even with the rework we kept the niche of swapping 1-2 talents between ST and AOE
keen steppe
i bursted 1 mil on MT first boss with the dmg amp gem 😄
Dmg amp gem?
small sleet
There are a couple floating gem things in magisters terrace that you can interact with to gain 10 stacks of the same buff you get when the little worm things die
One of em is in the first boss room but it requires you kill one of the side packs to reach it if I remember right
earnest crane
Dmg amp gem?
there is one before first boss and one before secend boss
fallow bramble
!guidon
wicked joltBOT
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
keen steppe
there is one before first boss and one before secend boss
Ah this one
Sorry was thinking about a socket
earnest crane
no the energy crystal is the right name i guess
drifting ether
Bruh my alt has double myth bis trinkets while my rogue still has champ guidon
earnest crane
Bruh my alt has double myth bis trinkets while my rogue still has champ guidon
my ALT is 288 my main is 285
thats normal
drifting ether
Ya like my rogue has done imperator 7 times and my alt has done vorasius 2 times
chilly dagger
u will lose alot on bosses
This sounds like Assa would be bad in keys, yet overall every high rogue tells phys comp outlaw does more dmg than sub and in other comps Assa performs better in pushing keys😄
This is not true for me, even with worse gear i just perform better with Sub because its so easy and I can focus on kicks and positioning, while I lose myself in the rotation on outlaw🤣
keen steppe
Bruh my alt has double myth bis trinkets while my rogue still has champ guidon
150k sounds like a scam
tidal solstice
i dont like proc gameplay. too much cognitive load and looking at icons instead of the fight
drifting ether
150k sounds like a scam <:garf:1320173032743899157>
My mate had same situation guy said 1m lmao
empty bobcat
how good are the crafted feet for us?
tidal solstice
its not as good as
empty bobcat
bro I already have 2 embelished items
its additionally
I have 5 crafted pieces
xD
small sleet
But those feet you posted are also an embellishment
tidal solstice
then how you plan on wearing the boots if you already have two embellished
tidal solstice
tidal solstice
no worries 🙂
i once was convinced a macro didnt work and it wasnt until i posted a vid of my bars that my fellow rogues pointed out i didnt have the macro on my stealth bar 😄
dusky yacht
I had it on my stealth bar but then got worried that I didn't because of somebody in here and then added a letter to my macros so I would feel safe again LMAO
keen steppe
My mate had same situation guy said 1m lmao
Yeah my mate was offering like call me a price when you will can garantee you dont need gold anymore this season
small sleet
I make the little emojis that look like Kirby on my macros so I can see em
Like <(^_^)>
small sleet
Who tf bolds text anyways
short radish
me
dusky yacht
me
small sleet
O fuck nvm then carry on
ornate lake
non meta gaymers my dslice sims tell me that 2/2 finality is better than 1/2 potent+1/2 Finality. Bait or we finality gaming now?
dusky yacht
Run the sim exactly 7.5769 more times and come back
ornate lake
what about 7.5770 times?
small sleet
Potent powder good
ornate lake
in other news, anything i can do to make prio better? Doing 18-20s now and the phat mobs don't die fast enough
dusky yacht
Bruh my alt has double myth bis trinkets while my rogue still has champ guidon
Aren't you Rennqt?
ornate lake
More seriously, sometimes you just have to eviscerate
back in our days we wouldn't even have powder in our bars. Zoomers ruined everything.
modern sentinel
Just white powder in nose
keen steppe
Just white powder in nose
Haha black powder burns
void ocean
Just white powder in nose
thats for outlaw apm
vale pine
good morning lovely people
dusky yacht
Good morning fuu
Guys how do I sim weapon enchant change
I'm tryna copy and modify but it only removes the enchant
small sleet
Quick sim, buy new enchant, put it on weapon, quick sim again
Ok I lied don’t do that
dusky yacht
Ok I lied don’t do that
Instructions unclear sold my house irl please send help
small sleet
Now you have plenty of gold for simming enchants
dusky yacht
Nah just picked the two I'm pondering
Thanks!
+146 dps
Now the question becomes how autistic am I
+210 dps if I change one instead
small sleet
Just materializing dps out of thin air wtf
small sleet
🐼
small sleet
Female panda thick as shit wdym
dusky yacht
small sleet
Thighs for days
dusky yacht
wooden mason
I was doing timewalking last night to knock it out for the currency and lol Sub ...
leveling my rogue thru TW rn im 83 only like 114ilvl but i am fuckin steamrolling mobs & dps. some kinda weird scaling going on?