subtlety

[swift tinsel]

but the actual heal value of ds is 100% wasted

[random mason]

I mean im sure theres some balance issue swith just slapping a dmg split on all blood dk shields apart from AMS

But they can figure that out with some DS nerfs or something

[swift tinsel]

I'd prefer if they had bone shield contribute something to that

or have that be the vehicle for the splitting

[random mason]

Only if they make bone shield less annoying for sanlayn

Cause that sucks

[swift tinsel]

removing tombstone and bonestorm made bone shield feel pretty shit

[random mason]

Hoping for apex procs to up your charges

[swift tinsel]

I hate blood, and veng apex

[random mason]

On deathbringer it kinda doesnt matter at least

On sanlayn getting the proc RIGHT after your 7 stacks drop is horrible

Ive been prespamming heart strike sometimes to try and catch a proc

[swift tinsel]

the proc ones interact weirdly

[chrome palm]

remember what they took from you

[swift tinsel]

I don't wanna think about that lmao

[random mason]

An ability you press before your cds and a mini game that makes you press all your generators?

[chrome palm]

you wouldnt get it

[random mason]

No i actually dont

[swift tinsel]

maybe I level enh sham next

[random mason]

I do agree that this version is too simple, maybe not to the same degree tho

[random mason]

I gotta get a monk up to see if i enjoy WW/Brew

Or druid

Even tho feral is kinda ass

I just want a class where i enjoy dps and tank

[chrome palm]

flag was much more than just an ability you pressed before cds

flag and a few other things prevented the spec from being "macro that does everything at once"

[short radish]

i never forget what they took from me

[chrome palm]

this was peak btw

[short radish]

i acutally miss it

the saladbar v1 pre ramp

tbh that was the biggest enjoyment in beloran

doing all the absolute degen preramp stuff for like 5% more dps

[lilac stag]

If we’re not doing degen things are we even playing sub rogue?

[short radish]

💯

[random mason]

At least rn i spam backstab for like 4gcds before every dance

[short radish]

i don't because if i spam, it means i might not be able to go into dance+sectech straight away

[random mason]

Well you spam but keep 35 energy

For dance

[tribal blade]

our ele is out today so i'm about to do beloren prog with no skyfury

[short radish]

ooooft

[glass kelp]

i have a cancelaura macro for ancient arts right now?

is there a use for this?

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepeuniverse-pepeuniversenft-pepe-drink-pepe-drunk-gif-25130586

the robot wants me to farm AA for the ring after getting both from npx

I will not be doing that

[random mason]

Robot doesnt need the haste from the rings

You do

[swift tinsel]

I'm at 743 with the set lol

gonna recraft some stuff

[hollow spear]

Blizzard has taken control of the robot in order to keep you engaged by showing you non existent upgrades

[swift tinsel]

can drop 40 from belt or dagger

[stuck lance]

off hand is 40 usually

[swift tinsel]

they both are

wait belt is 60 nvm

[random mason]

Yeah was gonna say, just one recraft

[hollow spear]

Yeah belt kinda big

[swift tinsel]

but ye just gonna recraft oh

[stuck lance]

ye just do OH

[swift tinsel]

haven't honestly looked at belt slot in like a month lol

now to return to the pit for neck roll

[stuck lance]

H aleria neck is better 😛 lol

[random mason]

I just crafted neck

1300 mastery gang

[stuck lance]

but then u drop a lot of stat lol

[hollow spear]

I'm using the seat neck rn

[stuck lance]

or need to drop a lot of haster

[swift tinsel]

not for my gear its not

myth pit beats hero alleria

otherwise I have to swap a lot of other slots

[random mason]

What about crafted haste/mastery

[stuck lance]

current gear probably but i think overall its a bit better

[swift tinsel]

I'm almost full myth

so probably not

[stuck lance]

285 ilvl and if i swap rings and get H alleria neck i get like 1.2% dps

[hollow spear]

Sounds wrong

[swift tinsel]

its basically just a haste injection that I don't need because of my other gear

and yes that sounds wrong

[hollow spear]

The proc is worth like 0.4% max, maybe less

And that's comparing ilvl parity

[peak ice]

Isn’t it the same as the rings

Basically

[swift tinsel]

at equal ilvl maybe

[peak ice]

Mmm

[hollow spear]

It's not even close to 1.2% at ilvl parity

[peak ice]

The crafted mythic one outdoes its proc dps for me

[hollow spear]

Something else is wrong

If you ignore secondaries and just assume you can reach the same outcome by shuffling around gear, I think the proc was worth 0.4%

[swift tinsel]

in pure st

[hollow spear]

Yes

Less in aoe ofc

[stuck lance]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2e37cAV25WYH9Wndkihm8z

gone down a bit since i last checked still .8%

[shrewd lantern]

damn i really need that beloren dagger

clearly

!

[swift tinsel]

yeah we're comparing vastly different gear sets lol

a hero neck to hero neck

vs hero to myth

[shrewd lantern]

indeed

its also why im upgrading neck last

[swift tinsel]

was talking about other dude linking sim

[shrewd lantern]

ill break 120k next week

and no this isnt with a vantus

[random mason]

I crafted neck after embellishments just to have the haste

[swift tinsel]

I'm at 118.5k just need to get a socket for bracers and a couple last slots

[shrewd lantern]

im using pvp neck

and npx rings

[random mason]

I was lazy and didnt get that

[swift tinsel]

ye I wasn't gonna pvp for that lol

lucked into a champ crown neck early and rode that out til I got hero choker

[random mason]

I was but i wanted to do it all in one week

Which wasnt possible and i had the sparks laying around before finishing the 4 weeklies

[swift tinsel]

would be kinda nice if Dungeon Journal loot pool showed what you can still roll on

actually skyreach is the play for boots and cloak

[random mason]

Yeah i cleaned skyreach

[swift tinsel]

idk if I've rolled there at all yet so it'd be a crapshoot

I got most of pit and npx cleared

and rolled for myth gaze so lots 2x there

[random mason]

Annoyingly still missing a helmet so i rolled first boss last week

Got cloak as the only miss

[swift tinsel]

praying for socketed vora bracers in upcoming vault, or cloak/boots

[random mason]

Next week 50/50 between boots/helmet

Or i just get helmet in vault and im literally done apart from getting AA ring and one more roll in skyreach for guaranteed boots

[hazy lichen]

what happened to top crown log

its like 30k dps diff

and now its gone

[shrewd lantern]

i cleared 4 items from npx

and 3 from AA

spent 1 on skyreach

[still vector]

puzzle box simming higher than guidon?

[fringe lava]

prog kill BIG

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

probably no degen holding sc anymore

[still vector]

OOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!

[fringe lava]

i sent blades on adds in 2nd p1

since the egg was like 28%

[finite lynx]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[near herald]

why is mastery simming so fucking high?

are u guys using recklessnes?

[random mason]

No but might be better

[near herald]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4f4wcvcbBaxEnLbsN4zjXy

why haste pot for 3 target?

like paladins or is that a dumb sim

[random mason]

might not have enough haste without haste flask

[finite lynx]

how long of a remaining CD should i have on Shadow blades before i start holding dance/sectec

[near herald]

i am at 700

709

[fringe lava]

with or wihtout consumes

[random mason]

Even with all the changes that sim is making?

Cause youre simming A LOT more than what flask to use

[near herald]

yea gems and shit

on ring

or wait

lemmecheck lol

[random mason]

Yeah are u not using fury rn

Ring crit enchant

[peak ice]

2600 additional combos

Hmmm

[finite lynx]

? 17?

[random mason]

Depends on situation but for ST you dont wanna delay it at all unless youd get downtime during blades

[fringe lava]

i think adding everything in that gear set you have like 500 haste

you want 700 no consumes or sumn

[peak ice]

700 with consumes

[fringe lava]

i mean like haste flask mb

[near herald]

700 with everything wasnt it?

[peak ice]

Yep

[fringe lava]

700 without haste flask

[near herald]

like oil which i didnt sim

[peak ice]

You can use a haste flask

[near herald]

just wondering why on 3 target haste flask

dungeon slice tells me mastery flask

1 target tells me crit flask

xD

[random mason]

The annoying thing with this haste requirement is that all u can sim is swaps where you wouldnt drop haste

[peak ice]

Cause dungeon slice is prettt trash

If at 700/800 use mastery/crit flask

If nit use haste

[near herald]

simming rog is so annoying ngl xD

[random mason]

I do crit flask for ST, mastery flask for m+ and any fight id run potent powder on

So dragons, paladins

Idk if crown and march are PP, i dont think they are

[finite lynx]

and how about how long of a CD on sec tec before i stop evis and just keep backstabbing for shadow techniques stacks

5ish?

[random mason]

Yeah something like that

[finite lynx]

kk ty

[peak ice]

Shadow tech only comes from autos doesn’t it

[random mason]

Yeah

You just backstab cause else you'd 'waste' energy

[peak ice]

Yep

You get so many stacks of shadow tech from shadow dance anyways it never seems to be a issue to line up the overcharge

[swift tinsel]

you stop sending dance/sectech when blades cd is <10sec

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin help! how to do get manaflux quickly. 4/5 mythic tier slots with best non-tier shoulders from pit.

[warm marlin]

erm

i mean arena seems to be good but i mostly just keep grinding whatever i need for crests and hope to highroll

[lilac stag]

3200 io ret vs 268 dk

and they nerfed sub on meta and m0 week

i dont get it

[warm marlin]

excellent buffs bruv

another 5% to fdk

[lilac stag]

haha

so I'm supposed to void shard any 272 mythic trinket

[warm marlin]

no hunter btw

[lilac stag]

just to save crests right

[warm marlin]

ye

but tbh

you dont really need to save crests like that if you have myth achieve

its hard to even waste an amount of myth that would make you run out

you can do it to save time farming more myth though

[lilac stag]

i'm trying to inflate ilvl for pugging hahah

i've got nothing to spend the shards on. made a heroic weapon and sharded that. got the shit trinekt from aa and have 2+ void shards

[kind edge]

was changing few sockets and gear after few sims, and suddenlty heard the "like a glove" from the ace ventura movie

[kind edge]

https://tenor.com/view/like-a-glove-ace-ventura-gif-11908792

[split garden]

is there a functional difference between this and 700 ? I can swap gems if 700 is genuinely important just curious if it is

[kind edge]

miss jim carrey so much, prime era of humor movies.

[kind edge]

that is perfectly fine

[split garden]

o7

[nova cairn]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[nova cairn]

684 is the ideal breakpoint anyway

[thorny ridge]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

1.100 is the ideal breakpoint

[shadow snow]

!logs

[upbeat cradle]

pretty much a little bit more leeway for human error or something

if you run deathstalker it's 1100 tho yeah

[tribal blade]

you'll be fine with that haste

[glass kelp]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[glass kelp]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[shadow snow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void ocean]

is it weird that Mythic Trap still doesnt have mythic Lura guide written?

[tribal blade]

maybe the person who keeps it updated hasn't started progging lura yet, who knows

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people. Do we still play trickster, or did the deathstalker hype start

[alpine wraith]

people will riot before they see the DS darkness

[sly shore]

I'm not getting 1100 haste so hope that answers your question

[empty bobcat]

what changed that we would switch?

[vale pine]

nothing, its just ahead in pure single target

and given that people now have higher gear levels and more access to gear

some might try to min/max around that

[void ocean]

u scared the shit out of me, went to wowhead...

[vale pine]

haha

[torpid snow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[empty bobcat]

is there any pure ST fight?

[short radish]

arguarbly vorasius

beloran

if youre talking heroic saladbar as well

[hollow spear]

Ds will probably outperform on alleria and lura

[short radish]

yeah also that

for all the important part of the fights at least

[twin quartz]

I still have my 3 keybind unbound from the sub changes. Maybe I bind that to the ability that lets you move your mark lmao

[fossil forge]

Bind cheapshot so u feel like u have buttons

[upbeat cradle]

any fight is ST if you don't care enough 😂

[void ocean]

going under in first grp on chima, u say? i aint moving from boss untill the burst is over 😄

[haughty heart]

Whats the preference for maximizing trinket, guidon or aln

298

[void ocean]

aln

guidon hc to mythic doesnt make too much dif, mostly coming from agi upgrade

haste is already enough from hc one

[haughty heart]

Yeah makes sense, agi upgrades are bis

ty

[void ocean]

i just wanna be once again sure u understood that u should upgrade Gaze first 😄

[haughty heart]

Ofc, ty

Offhand prio before guidon too maybe? or nah

[tepid trellis]

guidon should give more than off hand

[void ocean]

dunno exactly bout that one, i wouldnt personally

[hollow spear]

Quite sure it does

[tribal vortex]

All 3 are kinda shit.

the only trinket really worth upgrading is box

otherwise only MH, and all other 3 are kinda close

[void ocean]

mods, regulate this man

he's delusional, take him to infirmary

[golden totem]

The 3 upgrade other than mh was 0.4-0.5% dps for me

Each

[latent remnant]

order of upgrades recommended in pinned message

[earnest crane]

humilating dks

[hollow spear]

I think they might be doing it to themselves

[earnest crane]

3.8 IO score

[empty bobcat]

298 box is insane for m+

[alpine wraith]

not really tho

[sly shore]

just upgrade whatever you want

the voidcores are infinitely acquirable

literally doesn't matter

[stiff stirrup]

whats the ww doing

[small sleet]

His best

[earnest crane]

paid 42k for a boost

[void ocean]

ww obv needs a buff

[grim wasp]

Is it 1 per delve?

I am on holidays

[small sleet]

i think it has to be a bountiful t11 delve to be guaranteed

[short radish]

you are correct.

[grim wasp]

I did not unlock the assaults so ill have to do delves

Got 2 with M+ 10

[sly shore]

t11 delves good

heroic raid is real fast too

and the nightmare prey boxes are 2 per week

that takes 10 mins total

so it's good too

full heroic clear literally took me 40 mins

and most of that was travel time between bosses

[grim wasp]

Ill just afk lfr later today as well

[sly shore]

they are like

piss piss drop chance in lfr

total waste of time

[upbeat cradle]

my last chimaerus kill i accidentally went in the otherside three times in a row 😂

[latent remnant]

doesnt that kill you

[upbeat cradle]

second one procced cheat death

[grim wasp]

I know but on holidays so easier to run it as well + delves

[void ocean]

the dungeon? 😄

[upbeat cradle]

third one i used CoS because well, if i didn't we'e have lacked a dps 😂

[grim wasp]

I was backstabbing boss wiped out the whole melee

Backstab mechanics not my fault

[upbeat cradle]

besides a warrior and the two tanks i'm the only melee in my raid lmao

they are keeping me in just for racial diversity, i'm the mechagnome mascot i think ./s

[latent remnant]

no grips has to be pretty rough on some bosses

[grim wasp]

Everyone from other group rushed behind chim and i was busy backstabbing

[upbeat cradle]

yeah

our DK tank stopped

one of our warlock gonna switch to DK i think

[void ocean]

i dont like chima as unholy

probs a lot better as frost

[random mason]

The good part about chimmy is that you dont need to do it after a certain point

[upbeat cradle]

if you have enough DKs, DH and boomies, every fight this tier are ST fights lmao

[random mason]

Bc ppl should have gaze with the bonus rolls quite quickly

[void ocean]

i dont need to raid on my dk at all anymore, have both guidon and gaze

rolled 94 on guidon in pugs, saved myself a roll

[upbeat cradle]

i think most people are almost fully geared by now, and the few missing pieces can just be vaulted anyways

[latent remnant]

p sure this week would've been last bonus roll on gaze if I didn't get it before

[random mason]

Same for me on rogue, only thing i 'need' is alleria neck

[upbeat cradle]

bonus rolled twice on gaze to get it in vault after all that

[random mason]

Need to kill her first tho

[void ocean]

i mean on pugs thats gonna be tough

[upbeat cradle]

yeah pretty surei won't see alleria mythic any time soon

only got to dragons two days ago

[void ocean]

need a few more items on my rogue and then back to classic i guess 😄

[upbeat cradle]

i'm a filthy casual

[random mason]

We got to dragons last week ago but failed roster boss this week

Also only 1 day a week

3h

Hope we skip chimmy at least

[upbeat cradle]

i raid twice a week

we still do chimaerus for one more mythic vault slot tho

[latent remnant]

3 hours per week is pretty rough

[random mason]

Should start extending lockout soon

[paper spear]

!buffs

[upbeat cradle]

yeha i think we will extend lockout after this week too

[paper spear]

what was the command again to see how much we gain from like skyfury etc?

[upbeat cradle]

since most of us have what we need from the first bosses

[random mason]

Yeah but what do ppl need from raid from vault

[paper spear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[random mason]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[paper spear]

ty

[upbeat cradle]

well some still needed guidon and gaze

but i think we all got it last week now

[random mason]

How, this is gonna be the 5th reset for rerolls

[upbeat cradle]

but we got many new members that don't know north to south or see signs

so i guess reclearing is practice

[random mason]

Oh new members okay

[upbeat cradle]

i'm just glad we still get 20 people to go raid

[random mason]

I still need helmet and boots but they dont need to be from first boss voidspire

[upbeat cradle]

i need boots legs and shoulders, but i'll just

[random mason]

Can just roll em from vault or m+ reroll

[upbeat cradle]

bonus roll them from a dungeon or vault

[random mason]

Yeah i got guaranteed boots sitting in skyreach, plus qn outlaw weapon if i wanna play forbidden 1300 mastery outlaw

[upbeat cradle]

i think NPX ring set is a slight upgrade too, missing the void one

last time i simmed it was like 0.5% dps

over the crafted ring i have

[random mason]

The dmg proc alone is ~0.4%

[upbeat cradle]

i'd just need to replace my haste gems for mastery ones to compensate

[latent remnant]

I should start thinking about what to bonus roll next week

[upbeat cradle]

nvm it's 1.5%

[latent remnant]

still have heroic head, wrist and rings

[random mason]

I hope i get helmet from vault so i can try to grab a puzzle box and start throwing together an assa set

Wanna at least try it to have a bit of variation

[upbeat cradle]

i've had a puzzle box mythic sitting in my bags for a month now

[random mason]

Esp in m+

[upbeat cradle]

haven't used it since

[latent remnant]

I still don't know how to properly play assa and I still did +20k dps on vanguard compared to my sub kill

[random mason]

Yeah thats also something im looking at, its gonna be horrible on sub

Esp since we kinda vibed through every boss so far and will vibe through dragons too im pretty sure

[latent remnant]

very funny when we first cleared that

[upbeat cradle]

i hope i vibe through dragons

[random mason]

All bosses including dragons kinda felt like hc bosses idk

We got to like 35% first time getting there

[void ocean]

one could say theres not much to know

[latent remnant]

dragons is very rough for the tanks

[random mason]

Yeah sucks for them

We dont even play blood dk on it

War+pala only

[latent remnant]

I just lack experience with it I feel

[void ocean]

no bm

?

[latent remnant]

for dragons we had our unholy dk swap to blood as third tank just to mass grip orbs

also nice during prog he could take over when a tank died

[random mason]

our roster for first dragon prog

14 pulls to get a best at 36%

i think if we had another hour and started with dragons somehow we coulda killed it

I've seen ppl make insane orb spreads diagrams and shit

all u gotta do is not stand on ppl

[latent remnant]

it's nice to have people stack as close to eachother as possible every time

[random mason]

yeah so far all we had to do is yell at our DKs to grip in the tank orbs

boomie, BM, Dev Evoker and Havoc DH have been almost soloing them

[latent remnant]

probably a lot less of a problem now with the higher iL

[random mason]

i only press BP as well

[void ocean]

what r those numbers in bracket

age?

it would explain hpala

and mages 😄

[somber sun]

we clear = blue parse

we wipe = 100 parse

[paper trail]

Is it usual that robot wants me to go Mastery wep enchants? Have always been main stat, I assume my mastery is a bit low then compared to the rest

[hazy breach]

Either is fine ye

For big aoe mastery is typically slightly better

[paper trail]

This is just regular pw 5m

[small sleet]

And everyone knows if you can choose between a single target enchant and a pad enchant you choose the pad enchant

[random mason]

yeah but how much of an upgrade would it even be

[paper trail]

Like 400

[hazy breach]

Ye, hence the "either is fine" bit before

[paper trail]

So not end of the World just got suprised

[small sleet]

I’ve had one mastery enchant and one main stat enchant since the start of the season and at no point has it really shown as a major change to switch either of them

[random mason]

[hazy breach]

But yeah generally the better gear you get (and the more tuning buffs you get) the more useful secondary stats are gonna be relative to primary stats

Its all minor differences either way

[random mason]

i would get a massive 0.8% with mastery enchants

[paper trail]

Diff between 119 and 120k so mental gain online

[pulsar sleet]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[pulsar sleet]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[random mason]

193 dps upgrade to swap one enchant on dungeon slice

that's what's holding me back

surely

[paper trail]

for sure

[solid lotus]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[solid lotus]

why is this

[ornate lake]

We are still paying the price for zul funnel

Blizzard had a look at this and said, "Never again"

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thanos-perfectly-balanced-as-all-things-should-be-Ry1MOAeAYXvRVQLPw3

[marble sail]

Then they made devourer

[random mason]

but it's okay bc that's the new spec

and it's not rogue

[lilac stag]

fixed

[dusky yacht]

Auction house geared but top dps is where I think we should be as a class

[keen steppe]

So much yellow i like it

[vale pine]

true

[vale pine]

keep in mind nobody was allowed to touch the adds

so damage numbers are fake

[keen steppe]

Sounds so cool

[vale pine]

well it was like this

you had a lot of small adds

but only subtlety was allowed to damage it passively while funneling

everyone else was forced to pure st

due to funnel

[keen steppe]

I was only a heroic raider in bfa and was playing sin

[vale pine]

usbtlety got a lot of benefits

*subtlety

[dusky yacht]

So that's why this time around they decided to screw our cleave and force us into basically ST only LMAO

[vale pine]

which makes the gap look even wirder than it actually was

people would have done more overall damage

if they would be allowed to pad on adds

but due to how the fight was designed

you would not be allowed to do that

mythic geared is actually an exreggeration

the gap between alt and raider was low

[fossil forge]

USBTLETY

MAKING THAT MY NEW ALT

[vale pine]

which was why you could bring your alt even if it wasn't perfectly geared

it was also the first tier

and very early in it

[keen steppe]

I hated ghuun

[vale pine]

this does not take away from the fact that the priority damage output was ahead of other classes

but the time frame before the nerf

was not long

so "mythic geared" was not rly a thing

so its just "my main who did heroic with guild and got equipment"

vs.

[grim wasp]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[vale pine]

"my alt who did normal with guild and potentially pugged heroic"

[grim wasp]

If both equal in ST but mastery >crit in aoe why would i want crit over mastery?

[vale pine]

because you want a good mix for single target

you don't always have AoE

[empty bobcat]

I just switch flasks for M+ and raid and thats fine

[keen steppe]

I play with mastery flask in m+ when my other gear is crit oriented works fine

[empty bobcat]

:3

[keen steppe]

Dayum h4 was faster

[grim wasp]

That is what i was thinking about but you already aaid a mix of both for st.

I was thinking why not mastery>crit

[grim wasp]

I like puzzlebox so much more than guildon sadly i got the myth guildon

[random mason]

No one's forcing you to play guidon

[empty bobcat]

rly? you like to chill around for 2s and get unstealthed? thats crazy 😄

[keen steppe]

We can trade

[wicked wadi]

Pbox grew on me. It's a fun trinket. Flasking haste in m+ and solving puzzles. Output seems just as good as guidon, 99% parsed a key last night (just a 14, but still

[keen steppe]

You give me your myth gideon and you my pbox

[wicked wadi]

Guidon delay just as annoying as casting box imo

[empty bobcat]

problem with box is you often have the situation where you might wanna pop blades but your box aint ready, then next pull is a small one u got everything ready but on 3 mobs idk

[upper narwhal]

To be fair opening from stealth hardly matters at all for sub

The channel will forever be cringe tho

[empty bobcat]

with guidson u are just always ready

[peak ice]

Standing still for 2s unable to move ain’t it

[empty bobcat]

but i like box on first pulls with BL

but after that I struggel to find proper execution

can you port to housing and switch equip like you can do with talents? 😄

[drifting ether]

It’s not bad I tried a puzzle box and tfd setup today

Guidon easier to use pbox you need the route from your tank

[tribal blade]

it's more so a rough guideline for how to stat

[empty bobcat]

800 haste?

[drifting ether]

Ya 800 haste and tfd

[empty bobcat]

ok

[drifting ether]

Can probably play it with lower haste tbh

[mighty citrus]

if they only would fix the delay from our talent so we could bind guidon to the rest 😄

sometimes iam still a bit too fast pressing it and then follow by dance and stuff

so i lose my extra second

[tribal blade]

i was doing that a lot before too

i started to just watch my guidon cd and when it goes from 1:30>1:29

i pop everything

it's sometimes tough when there's a lot of stuff going on, but it's mostly chill

[drifting ether]

Doing a backstab/shuriken storm and guidon and letting the gcd timer is a easy way to do it too

[tribal blade]

yeah that works too, only issue there is you run the risk of not having enough energy for sectec

[grim wasp]

What you mean unstealthed i pop it after shadowstrike

[tribal blade]

man the hoops we have to jump through using trinkets every single season lol

[drifting ether]

Ya it do be like that doing the most to get it to work 😂

[tribal blade]

bring back ashes

[mighty citrus]

i mean we all find our way around, but why on earth we must do those shenanigans

just fix this shit 😄

[drifting ether]

I wonder what’s it’s gonna be like without 4 set next season

[tribal blade]

i'm very curious what's gonna happen next season

i have a nagging suspicion we're getting sectec charges

you can literally see it in the CDM which is funny

[mighty citrus]

like how?

[tribal blade]

if you set an alert for sectec

it has an option for charges for some reason

you can see it in game, i'm not in game so i can't post a screenshot

but surely that's there for a reason

[mighty citrus]

mhhh not too sure cause

the cdm in itself feels very static

and not very tailored to specs

but sure, we will know when we will know

[tribal blade]

thing is i don't think any other sub spell has that option on it

except stuff that has charges like dance

[mighty citrus]

oh thats interesting

[tribal blade]

so it's weird

[drifting ether]

Ooh like simplified version of last with st for every sd

[mighty citrus]

they treat st as dance

😄

[tribal blade]

they might literally be implementing @vale pine 's idea

i wouldn't be surprised if that happened

it makes sense with how little dmg sectec is doing right now

[thin sinew]

Fuu is the secret rogue dev confirmed. dog pile him!

[vale pine]

[drifting ether]

What’s the idea

I want the tea 😮

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-sips-tea-tea-time-thoughts-and-tariffs-gif-10358623620778235646

[tribal blade]

fuu wants sectec to have charges like shot in the dark talent

so it would work where we have baseline sectec on static cd

[fossil forge]

Ozzy osbourne mentioned ? ⁉️

[tribal blade]

and then when you go in dance you get a shots charge of sectec in addition

so it would create this way of being able to kind of maneuver that static sectec cd around where you want

[azure thicket]

oh i haven't been playing tfd since switching back to puzzle box

true

[fiery fog]

Sectec is doing as much dmg as evis on my lura progress

[tribal blade]

yeah it's so sad

WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY BOY

remember when sectec was our top dmging ability

[void ocean]

lol i just listened to this song 5 mins ago

[tribal blade]

i remember

[tribal blade]

HELL yeah

[void ocean]

cant wait to hear it live in a few months, by Rob Halford tho

[fiery fog]

At least sub is one of the better specs on lura

[tribal blade]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12141112/ on that topic this is a fun movie

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/67-six-seven-john-chungus-08uBcURaMq6vA93TGc

[tribal blade]

actually made by the guys who made GOT

[drifting ether]

Shii this some advance tec sounds fun

[void ocean]

pass then

[tribal blade]

it does! would make things much more interesting

[tribal blade]

LOL fair enough

[drifting ether]

You know what they should do aswell put flag into sb

[void ocean]

im actively boycottin anything from those idiots

[tribal blade]

more power in blades would be good too yeah

[void ocean]

havent also watched anything from GoT spinoffs evn tho ppl say they r good

I've been hurt once, wont go there again

[tribal blade]

i only watched a knight of the seven kingdoms

it was pretty good

surprisingly very comedic

[drifting ether]

Ya cloud gave us a taste of it have it ramp into big sec tec again

[tribal blade]

it's strange for sub to go from being such a powerhouse in burst to the opposite

[vestal rune]

Give us a raid/party buff.. 3% haste… make the people want us

[void ocean]

i dominated lura hc last night

gotta even say i like the fight

shame i probably wont prog it mythic

[hazy breach]

Tbf sub still does almost zero damage outside dance, they just shifted more of the power of the spec from blades into Dance. So its still quite bursty

Wouldnt really say we are the opposite of burst when were like top 5 burst specs

[tribal blade]

that's true yeha

[tribal blade]

oh are we actually still?

that's good to know

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogue-needs-to-bring-a-real-raid-buff/2304579 good segway to say hit this with a like and comment if you can

[hazy breach]

Idk maybe like #7 or something, but definitely nowhere near the bottom

[tribal blade]

awesome

[hazy breach]

For ST that is, aoe is a bit different ofc since some specs randomly are allowed to not be softcapped

[tribal blade]

yeah you can really see that diff in 1st pull of AA

casually getting outdpsed by a UDK by 300k on that pull

[vestal rune]

Exactlyyyy… would change the quality of life on simply getting in a group

[void ocean]

ye unh dk with guidon

[fossil forge]

Have u guys Seen frosts in keys

They deadass pump

[void ocean]

cause activating box in thet pull is dodgy

[tribal blade]

it would be a huge fix for rogue in general yeah

[void ocean]

frost is weird

like frosts highest high doesnt feel that high but u catch up on other packs cause fdk 45 sec cd is nice

and boss dmg is yuge

so u might be far behind on some first pack lust pull but u catch up till the end

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade new main who dis?

warrior had 12 ilvl on me

[void ocean]

unh 45 sec cd feels a bit meh

[tribal blade]

CLIMBING

[lilac stag]

i need 2 more keys for 8 vaults options. seeing if I can hit 2k in lfg.

i hit 900k on tree trash with the aug

silliness

[void ocean]

what do u mean if

i got 14 resi with pugs 😄

on my dk

[lilac stag]

10s are struggle buss with people farming voids. i dont have a key

270 ilvl kinda sus

i'm about to farm bloody tokens just to get legs to cata

can't put on mythic shoulders due to

[void ocean]

god that reminds me i still have champ legs on my 283 rogue

i wish i had half the luck with loot on my rogue as i had on dk

dk got both myth gaze and guidon without spending rolls

rogue cant catch a break

not even delve pants

only gettin those shit trinkets from delves

[fossil forge]

Ive Seen some frosts do more than these metahopping uhdks

[lilac stag]

if you needed a sign, there it is

Frost is very good, but it’s like playing outlaw in keys. Why am I doing more work for the same or at times less dps

[void ocean]

hmm i dont think frost 90sec burst can beat army

[fossil forge]

Dw my other rogue still has 1/6 champ helm

[lilac stag]

dk got me helm discount for rogue. now just need a helm.

[void ocean]

lol same

got 285 achievement on dk, everything on rogue now 10 crests

[lilac stag]

the the invites start rolling in

[void ocean]

like fdk could outdps unhdk in 90sec burst only if the pack is super tightly packed

as soon as u start moving a bit and/or mobs get a bit more spread, unh is gonna dominate

cause breath and FS are a bit weird

[wheat edge]

frost is just way more fun than unholy

audio/visual design and feel of the spec is just so much better..

[lilac stag]

frost is a blast for sure.

[void ocean]

aye, i also alway preferred frost as soon as its remotely viable

[wheat edge]

the army is finally finished (dh is 287 but not updated)

[void ocean]

just love those big numbers poping on the screen

unh even when it does big dps u dont see it on the screen

[wheat edge]

I hecking love looking at damage breakdown and seeing shadowbolt from magus being top dam

[swift tinsel]

just plate demo locks

imps = magi

[wheat edge]

have u seen what happens on nexus point for unholy dk aswell

one of the pets can just aoe stun or smthing when last boss goes into intermission and just nukes the group

[swift tinsel]

lmao nice

I have all my ghoul abilities on keybinds so they don't go bonkers

[wheat edge]

now that is gaming

[void ocean]

what

[swift tinsel]

turn off auto-cast on all of them, then make macros

[void ocean]

how many hands to u have xd

[swift tinsel]

there's plenty of keyboard space for them without needing extra

[void ocean]

id rather risk wiping here and there

[lilac stag]

So just turn leap off?

[swift tinsel]

its rather easy

[wheat edge]

yeah im just gonna stick to frost and have the only group wiping be when I send the dragon without thinking and pull 10 packs from narnia

[swift tinsel]

should have it be like Pack Leader chimera thing

but ye just have macros like this for their stuns/leaps and its never an issue

[void ocean]

but does it have any other purpose than avoiding NPX last boss premature interrupt

[swift tinsel]

it lets you kick/stun

can add targeting parameters if you want

gives extra cc to their already funny kit

[still gazelle]

Is potion of recklessness better than life's potential depending on pull size?

Lights*

[vale pine]

its better

if you have mastery from it

[still gazelle]

Just better overall? Even at like 17 or 18s?

I should be getting mastery from it once I recraft my gear to have less crit

[lofty cave]

for sub rogur potrion of reckless simed better for aoe 10 targets by 3%

[vale pine]

mastery is better in aoe yes

[still gazelle]

Is it pretty common for people to use recklessness on trash and then lights potential on bosses?

[vale pine]

can technically use it depending on where you use potions

[lofty cave]

but in one target sim light potential simm better by 1 %

[vale pine]

e.g. lights potential if you use it on bosses

and recklessness on big pulls

[lofty cave]

true that might be the play depending when my pot come off cd in the dungeon

[still gazelle]

Because I don't want to run endless simulations, are our stat weights pretty much the same for AOE and single Target?

[vale pine]

its like this

[still gazelle]

Assuming you have the 700 or more haste

[vale pine]

you want a more balances stat distribution on single target

[empty bobcat]

I just use it on both actually in m+ since most fights will have soem kinda cleave anyway

[vale pine]

but in mythic+ you rly go mastery over the other options

its not an exact science, as there are many combinations of stats which sim close

[still gazelle]

But I guess since very few fights are pure single Target, most mythic plus setups will probably do fine in raid?

[vale pine]

but as you see from the images, mastery gets noticably more valuable in multi target heavy situations like mythic+

[lofty cave]

ye like in m plus my sim has my haste low like 14% and master like 71%

[vale pine]

think the single target stat distribution is good for most raid figths, as you still have more priority/single target than aoe

and mastery is ahead of other stats

compared to that

[lofty cave]

crit like 27

[empty bobcat]

I have some ring options to swap around and you can min max by using different flasks

[vale pine]

deathstalker

is noticably more haste heavy

as you go to 1100 haste

doing so takes mor aways from crit/mastery

[lofty cave]

is14% haste too low for m plus?

[still gazelle]

Currently without buffs my crit is like 900 something and mastery is 752. I was going to swap around the crafted pieces to have mastery instead of crit.

Could I just find simulating hard because of the whole haste issue.

[vale pine]

you typically would want the 700 haste

[still gazelle]

I just find*

Unless there is a way to hard code raidbots to not mess with going under 700 haste.

[empty bobcat]

750 mastery seems low even for raids but idk - I am at cap and I love it xD

[lofty cave]

i wonder why my sim has my haste so low but master like 71%

[sullen hare]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[still gazelle]

That's what I'm saying, it's quite low. I was going to swap over all the crit on my pieces to mastery.

[vale pine]

haste basically gives you more dance time and secret cdr

but going all in on mastery and potentially using puzzle box, gives a higher immidiate burst

which is why some chinese prefere doing that

[still gazelle]

Fuu, is there a way to lock a secondary stat in raidbots (like haste to 700) so I can then run AOE and single Target setups without worrying about it dipping beneath or messing with other other variables

[warm marlin]

I really do love frost but unholy grew on me a bit and frost is just so so bad in comparison in keys

It’s good fun in raid though

[vale pine]

there is no way sadly

[zenith flare]

Why is it that people use shurken with shadowdance dont we apply the debuff with shadowstrike already ?

[vale pine]

they do if they play deathstalker

the reaosn is, they want to avoid input/stance lag to be sure to hit all gcd's in shadow dance

[fleet acorn]

Easy way sim ur gear with all rings u have + haste/mastery gems
When Result is finish Switch out the haste mastery ring for one with more haste to reach 680+

[swift tinsel]

raidbots having something like a subset sum function would have insane iteration counts lol

[vale pine]

which is done by macroing storm + dance

[fleet acorn]

I’m on 699 by doing that with Both weapon oils

[vale pine]

thats fine

[quick cloud]

been gone for a couple weeks, what are the chances premed is fixed lol

[zenith flare]

one more thing sorry if i am being bothersome can someone tell me why every single one of his sd st's are so much higher than mine ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/D9TqFWQmPdrBkKy1/3mBGZbk9gMJKCzQH?fight=15%2C27&type=damage-done&source=2%2CXp

[wheat edge]

the key is to just do weekly keys

[hazy breach]

They have not reworked premed without dropping a patch no

[quick cloud]

fantastic...

[zenith flare]

We both have same casts of evisicrate same crit % just his are dealing 115k avg whist mine are doing 47k

[still gazelle]

How do you simulate for single target versus AOE then if it's always trying to lower your haste? Do you just take its suggestions and then ensure the haste is at that 700 benchmark?

[fleet acorn]

Sub Sims for m+ are rly weird since last Patch for aoe
Whenever I let default (somehow crit) Flask sim it’s worse then when I pick manually all 3 and it shows me to pick mastery as Best

[random mason]

I only let it make swaps that dont lower my haste

[hazy breach]

Not sure what you mean by always trying to lower your haste? Its just ending up at ~650 instead of 700

Which is playable, but if you prefer a bit more leeway you can swap something out for that last bit of haste or sim without oils like recommended here #subtlety-faq message

[lilac stag]

[normal chasm]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[edgy imp]

ive been using numbing poison for mythics this is still correct right ?

[sullen hare]

yep that's valid

[vale pine]

thats perfect

[robust saddle]

this should count for just 10 crest upgrade for 6/6 myth right?

[void ocean]

a few caveats with that, but sure

[torn turtle]

Is the crest cost based on your highest trinket, or lowest?

[robust saddle]

i do have my 2nd trinket at 298

if thats the caveat you meant :D

[warm marlin]

lowest

[void ocean]

i think u need to have 2 trinkets on alt 289 or above and 285 achievement for upgrade to only cost 10 crests

otherwise it will be 20

[robust saddle]

then i pass both conditions

thank you

[grim wasp]

what is stance lag?

[vale pine]

well basically

if you use shadow dance, the game takes a moment to realize that you changed stance

[grim wasp]

I have to farm 25 voidcores can i get that in one sitting? I am on holidays and did not want to play (did not sync my addons and will have to use trackpad)

on laptop

[vale pine]

so e.g. if you use dance + strike on a macro

[grim wasp]

it is a game issue then, fuck blizaard

I see that is why some macros i cant put 2 skills together

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[vale pine]

you need to use the button two times

[void ocean]

"one sitting" varies as a time measure significantly from person to person 😄

[vale pine]

because the server will not cast strike if you use the macro

and the 2nd press, and with it the strike cast

will be delayed

so you lose 0.1 sec (or higher if your ping is higher)

by using dance + strike

[lofty cave]

do we play cloud cover in m plus or no scruples?

[vale pine]

which is, in part, why we use dance + storm as macro on deathstalker

nope, we go no scruples

[red flame]

The cloud vanished just as quickly as it appeared

[lofty cave]

so no ore cloud cover?

[vale pine]

nope

[edgy imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uYa6qFEsjLwYZNRVVqqQKF with nexus rings in M+ .https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mdFEL8oYTocERJCAAoFBNQ with bifurification band instead of occlusion of void . i want to run nexus rings bc i know i dont play perfect and at least the nexus rings are free damage regaurdless of how i perform @vale pine thoughts ?

[vale pine]

they made it too good then nerfed it noticable

nexus set is good, can def. play

[edgy imp]

thank you , you are the best!!!

also is it worth farming cosmos neck: eternal voidsong chain, i was planning on rolling for it on tuesday

hero btw

[void ocean]

i wouldnt go that far, it was ok, good

[ancient leaf]

why warning signs over planned execution in m+?

[void ocean]

too good in comparison what we usually get, which is nothing 😄

[shadow snow]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[vale pine]

it took a quite noticable buff to now end up evenly without the talent

so would argue it was a lot better than the alternative

[fleet acorn]

anyone good with plater and can tell me how to make friendly names bigger? i tried using slider on "Player Name Text" but they dont get bigger at all

[paper trail]

As DS is there anything I need to play around? Or something I have to think about more than macro ss to dance

[sly shore]

turn the module off and reload, then turn it back on and reload and it should work

[paper trail]

Should I make sure to get as many Darkest night evises as possible in dance or ?

[iron dagger]

what was the addon for tricks lads?

[lilac stag]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[lilac stag]

TankMD

[civic lava]

Hey guys, do you still need to activate Guidon before CD so that the server tick update with our haste ? Asking because i saw some people use it at pretty much the same time

[vale pine]

yes, you still need to use guidon one sec before dancce

[glacial hinge]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic sinew]

What DS need to be useful in m+?

[shrewd lantern]

bigger number

i mean trickster is just too good

Idk why anyone would want to play DS its just boring

[random mason]

it's something different

[shrewd lantern]

I MEAN......

it doesnt really play different

except you can get parried

[paper trail]

Do I not plan anything around the darkenst night evi?

[hazy breach]

You always want apex on darkest night

[graceful portal]

Is the same talent build for every boss in the raid ?

[paper trail]

Nah, u have some more ss oriented builds for dragons etc

[graceful portal]

Ok and for chima/averzian is there anything ?

(mythic)

[fleet acorn]

lemme try that out in a second

turn the module off - reload -> then switch size -> reload - turn it back on and reload and it should work

?

[hallow mortar]

guys, we did skip (palladins and allerie), and now we wanna clear rest but first boss not spawning, any idea?

[fleet acorn]

nope names dont get biggerr

[small sleet]

usually doing the raid skip despawns the previous bosses

[runic sinew]

I already think Trickster is boring.

[hallow mortar]

thats usually not case

[small sleet]

i think it was the case in manaforge omega if i remember right? i vaguely remember skipping to nexus king, and then not being able to go back and do fractillus/soul hunters

[shrewd lantern]

play a different spec

will change gameplay much more than playing DS

[runic sinew]

nah

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i think sub is just boring in m+ in general

spec lacks depth

[runic sinew]

for me every spec right now is boring

I don't like 3 buttons without combos

[fleet acorn]

anyone else can figure out how to make player friendly names bigger on plater

[shrewd lantern]

That's every spec in midnight

[runic sinew]

is just "let's w8 passives and press that button"

I could be wrong, but from what I’ve seen so far in Midnight, that’s how it feels.

[swift tinsel]

That’s most specs with the midnight changes

It’s pretty disappointing

[runic elm]

these void cores, what would i be better off upgrading here ?

[rapid forum]

crafteed and put it in your mh

[runic elm]

sweet is 285 max for crafted ? or do i need to recraft higher then use voidcore ?

[rapid forum]

285 is max

you can safely apply core

[runic elm]

thanks for the advice

[rapid forum]

there is also no limit on cores

you will get more in there future for all the weapons/trinkets u could ever want to upgrade

[runic elm]

oh dope i thought it was x1 per week

good to know they are common

[shrewd lantern]

1 per 10+ key guaranteed, 1 per heroic or higher boss guaranteed

1 per bountfiful delve chest at 11

[sly shore]

Yuh

[zenith flare]

the 900 haste is so that we can have 2 st's in one shadowblade?

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin we are ascending https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vN5oo7g18yxqNeQoEvJi2S

5 days at 90

[warm marlin]

red rogue gaming

[runic elm]

i thought it was 720 to get x2 St in SB now

[zenith flare]

I can get it in with 690 but its very tight im holding a gcd for it to be just right

[lilac stag]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[hazy breach]

Without guidon you need like 800+ yes

Because you need to hit sectech with ~1.5 left of blades

[runic elm]

ah ok, cheers good to know

[fleet acorn]

this is enough with myth guidon

[fossil forge]

wthelly gaming

[ornate lake]

Bruh I can barely cross 700K on a pull how do other sub rogues cross 1M?

[fleet acorn]

😄

[vale pine]

nicuu

birdie down

[fleet acorn]

plater friendly size doesnt change even after reopening cliennt

[lilac stag]

aren't you limited still with what you can change for friendly names

[jade oasis]

my rogue sims almost the same while 7 ilvls up.

[lilac stag]

seems accurate

[fleet acorn]

im not sure about that this seems rly small no? i saw biggerr on other streams

[lilac stag]

that looks normal to me in raid

[still gazelle]

Can the big adds at the end of seat see stealth?

[astral mulch]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[jade oasis]

its time.

[lilac stag]

#TeamRedRogue

[plush roost]

Ye

[fleet acorn]

ók ty for ur help

[lilac stag]

i dont think there's any controller to enlarge it in raid, but maybe check accessibility options in game

[alpine wraith]

im in the p1 factory

[lilac stag]

is that like the willy wonka chocolate factory?

[sweet moss]

anyone got a sheet to see how much dp[s each raid buff gives?

[lilac stag]

it's in the rogue sheet

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wooden wagon]

if you are ~15 seconds before blade and sec tech comes off cd do you send and just delay blades slightly or hold for blades? I know you for sure hold at 10 seconds but was unsure about before that

[brave moth]

Usually you hold. Anything less than 20/19 seconds you hold. But if there is dmg amp or something like this send SecTec

[patent ermine]

I would think though if you know you won't have another shadow blades after that one due to fight ending, you could just send it and delay blades a little bit no?

[swift tinsel]

that's almost a full sectech cd worth of waiting

[patent ermine]

I honestly would send sec tech and delay blades a bit in his scenario

[swift tinsel]

if blades is 15 sec away you can send

then just delay blades a bit

[chilly tree]

are there any sims showing how much aug helps and skyfury helps for sub?

[hazy breach]

Aug doesnt do anything for anybody

But for skyfury read like 5 messages above

[chilly tree]

lmao thanks

[swift tinsel]

you get 3% crit from prescience and random vers procs

plus a variable amount of main stat so good luck simming that

[chilly tree]

i thought it gave mastery

[swift tinsel]

nope its crit

[patent ermine]

If they coach you with that trinket 😄

[swift tinsel]

unless you're talking about skyfury then that is mastery, but aug gives crit with pres

throwing out temp buffs like parade candy

[quiet smelt]

do we sim d slice

[fleet acorn]

kicker xd

[viral salmon]

is puzzlebox simming a lot higher than pinion in dslice for everyone else too? (both myth track)

I hate the box so much but its like ~>1% gain

[wheat elk]

box is so good

[lilac stag]

dslice leaves a lot to be desired in current version of sub rogue gearing

[shrewd lantern]

Whats the point of a dslice sim

its just mastery is a bit better than crit

[lilac stag]

We trained people to trust a clanker. Now the clanker isn’t as trustworthy.

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i just sim patchwerk

st gains are also an aoe gain

more agi=good

[quiet smelt]

im just tryna figure out what more ppl use for M+ sim, slice or patch 5 targ

[shrewd lantern]

who tf sims 5 target

[quiet smelt]

i swear sims are diff for like every class lmao

so dlice it is

[vale pine]

its quite close tbh

not that far off

[lilac stag]

when it gives haste a negative -14 value idk about that

it's also not needed. get the haste break point, put on ilvl with master>crit>>>>vers gear

[quiet smelt]

whats haste break point

like 18%

?

[shrewd lantern]

kind of impossible to sim m+ accurately when every tank pulls diff

[lilac stag]

[lilac stag]

Have you looked at any of the resources in here?

[shrewd lantern]

how do we sim for pug tank that pulls 2-3 mobs

afks for 2 business days

then pulls another 2

because thats the average pug tank

[lilac stag]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[shrewd lantern]

or my favorite

the tank that waits till 2-3 mobs are sub 5%

then drags them to another 2 mobs

[lilac stag]

🦮

[shrewd lantern]

Idk why so many tanks are opposed to just pulling big and popping cds

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[swift tinsel]

because they get flamed incessantly if they die and brick the run lol

[shrewd lantern]

Just

dont die?

[swift tinsel]

have you pugged?

lmao

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[vale pine]

It depends on the key level

but like

[shrewd lantern]

i usually live

the chud dps die

though

[vale pine]

you can time a 16 easy with baby pulls

[shrewd lantern]

from failing kicks

[swift tinsel]

you're at the mercy of your dps/heals being awake

[vale pine]

17+ it gets rly hard

[shrewd lantern]

i mean if my dps are potato

we dont deserve to time it

[vale pine]

its just extremely annoying for subtlety to get baby pulls

you essentially play to your weakness the entire key

which just does not feel good

[shrewd lantern]

if you're not making your healer's cortisol levels spike

you arent pulling big enough

[lilac stag]

Our Dk that is swapping to warrior ran a 12 pit. We took along a 270 MW main. I told him I have so much faith in your healing I’m taking my defensives off my bars and using the spell book.

I don’t think they ever healed a key with a tank mitigating properly and the dps not standing in shit. We actually made their day with a +3

[calm wing]

How bad are we on Paladins ?

[swift tinsel]

literal worst

[lilac stag]

A wooden bench does more dmg

[shrewd lantern]

i mean isnt prot warrior literally mitigating

[calm wing]

so swapping to sin would be better ?

[shrewd lantern]

in your passive rotation

[swift tinsel]

ooo actually ele is below us now lol

[lilac stag]

removing rogue from raid would be better

[shrewd lantern]

like genuinely, if you arent putting your mitigation up as prot warr

you are overcapping rage

so hard

[calm wing]

I am a valuable member of the raid group so I will not get removed

[vale pine]

we ended up dead last before the last patch