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Skyreach is another good one for that, trinket is meh and one other item, but rest is gucci.
Depending if u still need to get to your haste cap also.
!stats
Long story short yes almost most of the time
Any word on uncapping myth crests? We got alts hitting 290 by using half cost upgrades and ascending hero weapons and trinkets to skip myth crest upgrades on those slots, and my main is still weak at 286.6
I’m getting mad
Roll a second rogue and farm all the gear again or what
yeah i dunno about this system blizz set up
it's hella annoying for someone like me who only plays 1 char
Can someone help me with how should I best use Puzzle box?
Should I hold it to 3rd blades? Or pop it yolo on stech and dance when its off cd?
As Im a casual m+ andy thats not onna get Gudion.
use it with every other blades, it becomes a 3 min trinket
Thats major ass but makes sense I guess
also it's not so bad to get guidon, you literally only need to do the 1st boss of the raid
Yeah, but then I have to pug mythic without even AOTC
Hero vs myth guidon is only 700 dps difference for me in 285 gear btw
you can do heroic too
Not getting invites to that shii
ilvl on guidon is not important
I’m lazy rat, cba use box
yeah it's small
Ive just accepted that I have to roll with it and roleplay that im a rubix cube wr holder
i would just keep trying to get guidon, to me it's worth trying to get over puzzle
guidon has it's own jank
but compared to puzzlebox i think nowhere near as bad
I remember at least 5 times our ret died on egg phase during progression, trying to use box 
one of the last times i used puzzle was in AA and i died using shadowstep to get back in range
and was like nah
i'm not playing with this BS again
Why would he not...box before you gate?
eyyyy, finally 19 res
with a 100 log even
could've been so much better, but last boss was trolled extremely hard by tank
we tanked it in between 20 puddles
puzzlebox supremacy 
and also couple up an apex proc for the dance and sectech?
Not necessary no
Just get a few sht stacks, don't need all 5
Yeah 1 or 2 is typically enough assuming you have shaman buff
Because you auto during the sectech portion which then you should be on 5 for the next gcd
is that 177k overall?
yeah, but we had a ton of downtime :-?
ingame it looked better
218k dps while active
my dps is nothing like that and im 284 ilvl
dps in keys depends a lot on the tank/group
Same for our aug "trying to finish cast"
egg phase of beloren might be one of the few places in this raid where it sucks to be a caster
and is chill as melee
my raid was discussing strats on how to do the egg movement for certain people
and i said "i figured out this really good strat, i just hold W and am fine"
yeha but ive maxxed maybe 140k thats the highest
i'm doing roughly 200k+ in some dungeons atm with guidon, but that's always in higher keys
lower keys not as easy to get the big overall
for a multitude of reasons
220 pit gaming
question. is shadow damage buffed by DH passive?
i can't remember if shadow is in magic school or not
yeah im doing 14s but i still cant do massive dps
bp is still mostly physical no?
it is yeah
14s are still pretty low tbh
yes
and ancient art
is there a filter somehow on WCL to show how much of my dmg is physical and how much of it is shadow?
i just timed my very first 20 as well
yes, but I kinda wanted an overall breakdown
like across the whole dungeon
x% phys, y% shadow
might write a script to calculate 
yall playing sub in m+ how u getting invites xd
decent logs + note 😄
it's always tough trying to get invited to keys as a rogue
no bres/lust/dmg raid buff
no meaningful utility
im 3176 ilvl and i i feel like i will struggle doing 14s
i have a multi 3.8k tank friend
druid/monk
key to getting invites 
have a tank or a healer friend who puts up with you playing rogue
this
i've made title several seasons using that route
during DF S2 made title queueing with a disc priest
DF S3 made title queueing with a MW
Doing this as well works every time
this season is actually not so bad for rogues
because phys comp is a real thing
in previous seasons it was much worse queuing as rogue
yeah
right now you have the meta comp which is dev, udk and aug
but right below that you have phys comp which is dps warr and some combo of 2 other melee dps
are people aware of this tho - cant see any invites 
yeah it's still tough
because when you're building a comp you need to make sure you have lust and bres
which immediately excludes rogue
but i have fingers
and then when you're choosing you always want to stack raid buffs
surely
which rogue doesn't have either
haha yeah
also feel like people want u to have that key already timed
but there are other classes out there that have fingers too sadly
not necessarily, they're mostly looking for people who are over qualified
like usually the ideal thing people are looking for is someone for whom that's the last key they need for that level resil
yeah people are actualy somewhat better this time around
that's just generally always the case
one of the best ways to get around it is adding good people
idk about that last season or rather tww was somenthing elese
i've never found it like that, the general player level is always roughly the same
only if you are similar key level to them - theres m+ sections in the recruitment channel and people will drop u off real fast, if they can q without u
it's just different seasons have different meta comps/dungeon difficulty etc
usualy it goes up as game progresses but
yes that's a huge problem with key pushing, everyone is very much grass is greener on the other side
that's why it's so hard to make a team
that is also true
that's a good point
dungeons aren't nearly as oppressive as before
Like
the thing is
very easy
that just means the dungeon level gets pushed up
and then the title range keys are still hard
back to box T_T
even if a season is "easy" it kinda fixes itself because keys can go higher
and then once a key is at a high enough level
it becomes very hard
usualy where u need to start kicking mobs again
nexus point first boss b lajk
but a big thing this season is not as many kicks
which reduces coordination needed
before it was tough pugging title keys because of the coordination needed with kicks/stops
not so much now
oh you're always kicking the mobs lol
it's just you have enough kicks to go around and not need people assigned
before it was very tight having enough kicks/stops
yeah but what i found is people will get stuck where u need to more than just dps - usualy where the stuff u need to kick starts hurting
and you kinda needed to preplan before doing a key while pugging sometimes
now you can just wing it
i ran a mt yesterday
yeah that's where you find the good players
we died, well me and one other dps, i run fully back and got killed again by that magister bolt whatever its called
and that thing casts like 10sec?

the only place i've found kicks to be an issue is one of the packs before 3rd boss in seat
half the time i do that key i'm about to go into the pack as the tank has already pulled and they do 0 cc
and then kicks go off and the dps die 1 by 1
can u not let most trough besides blinding whatever its called?
at title range not really no
dunno how much dmg they do way higher up but they go out pretty frequently no?
at lower key levels yeah
makes sense
did they cut on tanks cc/kickability?
i swear paladin could play that solo last season
i'm not doing title range keys this season so i honestly don't know what the dmg on bolts are like, but from previous season exp if a cast goes off on somebody it's like 90% chance they're just dead
i think it's roughly the same
a bit toned down i think
shame on these paladins then
honestly not sure, they might have nerfed ppal kicks
haven't played with any this season
i played with many before the buffs
they disappeared on 1 pull usually
but they are kinda good rn
after the buffs
(they can survive at least)
how did u find your team? just randomly added people?
i've only had a team once during S2 SL
then after that it's been mostly pugging
but even while mostly pugging i would usually have some people i would play a lot with every season
that's the most common situation, where a few people play with each other on and off while pugging inbetween
having a full 5 stack very hard to put together
for those with puzzble box - do you send it on cd with sectec and dance or always try to line up with SB?
sb, u treat it like a 3 min cd
okay thanks a lot
damn must be nice
well enough high up are prob the same people anyway
its unbelievable how shit the blinking of shadowstrike is
in second boss sky reach
Ye gotta be in melee range already so you don't get killed
yeah was very nice, we didn't play many hours a week
like 3 sessions per week of ~3-4 hours per session
so like the average CE guild's raid times
very chill
when i was pugging title it was 3-4 hours per day minimum
usually more
i died on pull waited for almost 2 mins for rez and then accepted rez misclicked shadowstep and died again
in an 18
if you didnt add the shadowstep and 18 in your text
i was almost sure you were my last teammate in apex
I will play assa on my next run just to be sure
!guidon
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
Why is the breakdown 700 haste with Guidon? In the end, even with 500, activating Guidon gets you to 30% Haste, and with Shadow Dance you reach 8 seconds.. it doesn’t go any higher
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
i will get it this season! it is fucking me up mentaly tho ngl
i'm gonna give it to you straight, it will be hard on your mental
but if you want to make it you need to push through it
one of the most common reasons i see people i play with not make title isn't from lack of skill, it's they give up for whatever reason
anyone else use UUF and having trouble displaying the damage taken increased stacks on P1 crown in mythic? on boss frames
(granted lack of skill is also a SUPER common reason people don't make it)
are u calling me shit?
im kidding
IM KIDDING
i get it tho its hard wiping the same stuff over and over
HAHA nah
when i started title pushing i was nowhere near as good as i am now
but i dedicated a lot of time and effort to constantly improving myself
you need to not accept any weakness or failure you have in keys
make a note of it and look for solutions
It goes higher than 8 seconds.
You don't need the full 9 seconds to fit 9 globals
In theory 8.1 is sufficient
But it's moreso that you want 7.4s outside of guidon
Was there any new updates on the clanker on raidbots? Becouse now he want me to have less than 700 haste. Iirc i have 670-680ish haste now with mastery gems
So…. Don’t play rogue. 
Can anyone help me out with gearing advice?
Get guidon. Get 700 haste. Get ilvl mastery>=crit>vers
How do i sim gear i dont have
top gear
LMAO REAL im sick and tired of that thing
You can add it in top gear
u have otpion to add anzthing
Oh thank you ill check it out
There’s also a gear loadout in #tc-research
Im just trying to swap my crafted belt for wrists since i have a different mythic piece i could use
I’m not following.
as prob everywhere in every game but i made the grave mistake of slacking early with the keys so the good players were already past some keys
thing with rogue sims is that u gotta be carefull if u sim item with haste vs item without haste, results can be misleading and fucky
sub rogue sims*
omg the checkmate
So i have the crafted belt and hero set bracers, But i have the Snapvine Cinch Myth
I wanted to know if upgrading the Myth belt and using crafted wrists would be better
yeah that puts you behind, but you can always catch back up
Thoughts on Emberwing Feather > Puzzle? or is the haste not worth it
it would
2 myth items are better than 1 myth and 1 hero
it can be a bit of crest waste
but at this point in the season
im working on it rn - toughts? somehow in a AA key bp 2 
Yeah i still have like 300 myth crests I can farm so im good on those for a bit longer
are you doing a lot of ethical evis spamming
i would assume from that breakdown
if it makes sense but never had this breakdown 
oh well i did only evis first boss
but surely bp should be still first
same
next time you play imagine you have to fill every single global
long time since ive seen such a breakdwon
u do think i got the globals down ngl
i wonder
like imagine if you miss a global that's a lashing on your back from a whip
i try to play very gcd hungry lol
void dh got all the lashers
slow down, we are not outlaw
nothing to gain
no need to fill every gcd

lol true
oh yeah i gave up because it took me days to get an invite to a single key lol
u cant really do wrong with shuriken + bp
i mean moreso be very hungry to do dps
always
hehe i don't blame you 😉
dont tell my tank that tho
ive mybe died a couple of times greedying edge of mechanic
i still believe the big brown circle on first aa boss is bigger than it shows
im prob wrong but i will die on that
@tribal blade sadly just from an ease of getting groups and getting reps in it’s not worth it on rogue.
that usually happens when someone runs too far ahead of the group
the big big one where the healer mob spawns
you really need a group to play with that isn’t just LFG pain
yeah pushing as rogue always pretty feelsbad 🙁
arcane torrent in maisara caverns is crazy
OH right
still feel like having certain buffs just make a big diffrence, like shaman etc
feels still a bit weak without
very true yeah
skyfury is big
it's quite easy as rogue this season to form groups with all the buffs you want
i personaly dont see that many phys comps and i q with a warry tank
oh interesting
i am eu tho so
phys comp has been a much bigger thing starting last season
idk if that matters
honestly not sure
or if people are looking for otlw?
could be a diff
idk how much people pay attention to what is good besides mybe watching mdi
yes likely most people are looking for outlaw rogues
people who push tend to pay attention to what specs are peforming the best
lol yeah can do that
but surely like 20 and up
theres def 0 invites as sin but as sub its not bad
are u playing otlw in keys?
was practicing it but then it got nerfed and sub got buffed
nah i avoid outlaw as much as possible
i got pretty good at it during SL
but honestly it's just too much
i also get a lot of arm pain when i play outlaw for obvious reasons
LOL
name and shame
yeah old, but also i had pretty extensive reconstructive surgery years ago
otlw is fun but
which has complications
it need so much attention
sry to hear that
my nerves are kinda fried
no worries! was years ago
hope its much better now
yeah when i was practicing outlaw during prepatch my left arm was on fire from sitting on the dummies for hours
it's gotten a bit better 🙂
damn i was practicing it in keys 
might need to again but i dont wanna int
was doing it in like 10s where it doesnt matter
my personal philosophy is to practice on the dummies until i can do it without thinking too much
i agree
BUT
in my expierence that takes like what mybe 1h?
its a whole diffrent story in keys
because i think if you can't do it on the dummies w/o thinking there's 0% chance you're doing it in a key with x10 the amount of things going on
with everything going on
for me it takes more
i'm not so great at picking up new specs in general
i need a lot of time to workshop it on dummies
find it easy if nothing is going on but
rotation, kicking and dodging after 1h of dummies was
rough

oh yeah it becomes legit impossible with everything else going on haha
esp with a spec like outlaw
i also practiced a lot of hours on the dummies as outlaw because you have so many different rotational situations that can arise
because of how you're sending everything on cd
i think that's one of the unique things about the outlaw rotation
you need to be able to muscle memory the priority list
but anyways i'm going to bed, gl on your pushing!
ty and good night!
!ui
Essential:
ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
also dont tell zac but i feel like if u dont run out of energy on otwl its super fun
how long does it take for your log to show up on warcraft logs after uploading ?
Should be instantly
Ever since yesterday my logs are stuck uploading in the website que
Before yesterday it was instant
had the same just takes some time but it will come up
just give it some
mine are uploading from the app but not showing on website. dunno first time i have ever really tried logging my keys was last night
Anyone got any ideas why this macro works right up until secret technique, it only wont cast that ability
were u full cp?
yer
is thorn bloom on gcd
neg
It’s an instant cast with a gcd
500 milliseconds according to wowhead
if that’s accurate idk but try putting it after Sectech
Could just be wonky spell cast
Yeah it works without it, I think the Racial Cooks it somehow
Can you macro it to guidon instead?
Guidon?
Hi guys silly question, do you black powder into 2 targets? I assume we shadowstrike but do you black powder over eviscerate?
had the same question honestly lol
Afaik is the same dam, although in high keys u might wanna prio evis for marked target
If you have potent powder specced and a decent chunk of mastery you can bp at 2
But in general bp at 3
Isnt dam output same if pp for 2?
Are we holding sd for sb so we have two? besides the first pull i rarely have two sd's for the entire duration of sb
You always want to use 2 during blades yes
You don't dance unless you can use sectech in that dance, and with the recommended haste levels that should line up fairly well
Sometimes you need to hold like 5 seconds or so but that's alright
Guys, can someone share me talents for sub in m+ and raid if you dont mind? Didnt play sub some time and heard something changed
#subtlety-faq, pins, or and of the !guides
wowhead is up2date
Oh tyvm and sry for bothering you
all fine
talents did change shortly when we had the patch for cloud cover
but are pmuch back to what was used before
there is a certain flexibility
so you can see rogues run slighly modified versions of the standard suggestions
for peeps that killed crown - is there somenthing i can do for p3 obelisks? we are 4 meele and i get them oretty frequent
ask the tank to mybe love boss closer?
In p3 nothing is really stopping you from walking up to the boss while you have obelisk as long as you’re not hitting other people by doing it
well u do have to aim it at the thingies far away so depending on where they are u end up bit further from the boss
You only aim it at those in p2 there’s nothing to hit in p3. In p2 you just take the downtime and focus on hitting the adds.
are we borh talking the same boss
im not sure if its p3 basicaly when ur on the platforms
p2 is just running
and getting hit by every second laser
That’s i1 or intermission 1 where you’re running
P2 is once you’ve stopped running and are on the platforms
idk on lorrgs it was shown as p2 but then p2 i guess
Ah warcraftlogs refers to it as I1
But yeah, in the phase where you need to hit ghosts with your obelisk, you really just gotta take the downtime. If you’re trying to hit boss and focus on rotation you’re just gonna increase the chance you miss your obelisk, which is way worse than a couple seconds of downtime
The dps check on the fight is very easy at this point, it’s just about doing the mechanics correctly
sadge
boss feels kinda w.e but i guess thats where rhe low average pull counter stems from
that chimaerus sac soak pad is diabolical xD
is it that good?
im coping that it is I havent actually looked at all the logs but my most recent parse on chimaerus was 64 and I didnt do that soak thing
I misaligned my CDs leading up to the final boss burn anyways, live and learn
it was a pug group so wasnt the cleanest kill took 1.5 hours of forming and pulls to actually get the kill
youll get there
ive parsed better on chim already lol i got worse on that one
just tell the void dvh to not be so hrny on the adds and to wait , till theyre grouped
my highest was 88 on rogue
nice
how much of a chimaerus parse revolves around the group being good?
nobody parse particularly high, I was top dps on most pulls, a lock beat me overall on the kill though
think people said its better to be the second group that goes down
ive parsed good on g1 aswell so idk
on group 2 u would techicaly have cds for adds but its a waste
(imo)
yeah I was g2
the one comparison I looked a so far the other rogue had a segment of hella high dps on the big add that I didn't
G1 tends to be better in my opinion if your skipping second down phase you just hold cds
u guys ever tho how MH weapon slot is left slot in char pane but its actually in our chars right hand
its weird that we dont have an option to put mh weapon in left hand, i dont feel represented properly
gonna sue Blizz
in AA you take the mastery buff or crit=
it is in the right hand
you see your char facing you
but u can rotate ur char
well if u can play assa or outlaw that would be nice
Hey, did you find a way to repair your macro ? If not i've something that worked for me
nope, please link yours
I'm using this macro.
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309
/use item:245902
/use item:245903
/use item:241288
/use item:241289
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Since the item may have different id, i'm using all of them at once
And the macro is working just fine for me
Why dont you use your item slot instead of the specific item id?
can u guys tell me wich trinket is better for m+?
Not working either for no reason
i will be the very best! like noone was before me! pokemon! come and get them all
bahahah
Thats weird
Yeah idk, blizzard’s patented “working as intended”
are we ever pressing slice and dice in our rotation?
/use 13 always works with spells unless the trinket is fucked and has special stuff like on gcd or cast time
guys any tips for dragons ?
no
Watch nimble range and pad on adds 
finally managed to get some pad on averzian because all the devourer DH were absent yesterday 
but so did the boomkin
are there more adds on mythic ?
it just adds the aoe when you break tether and the delayed soak on gloom right ?
on mythic? go big mastery with potent powder and pad out of your mind
Almost all fights need pad for logs kek
this is joke, i never saw myth guidon on my rogue 😄
unlucky
roll on both then sell the other one
This is a sign
only difference between deathstalker and trickster in ST is deathSt enters dance with no CP ?
you also optimize around dn, but mostly yes
Ds enters dance with sectech or darkest night
Darkest night hits real hard, and should be apexed everytime
don't join the dark side
@tribal blade ima so ready. 255 and 4pc lfg
there are tells for me i cant help it
Guidon or puzzlebox, either is fine
the best combination is?
I’ve been converted to a puzzle box enjoyer in M+
guidon + puzzle?
No
No
Gaze+either puzzle or guidon
so question ik shadow dance should be used for secret technique but if it isnt up is it ok to use it since theres two stacks ?
Sub still need 650-700 haste for m+? or is better go full mastery crit?
well if im waiting on blade to come off cd im usually at two charges
ok better question is it ok to use it while both are on cd
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
Unless you have strange haste levels it should line up well
is there anything with even more extra haste as DS after the new 298 items?
as trickster
dmg is fine but so hard to find grps for m+ -.-
!stats
actually i may be looking for people to do the weekly sub state video if anyone wants to join sometimes. After looking at some data this week i got quite surprised
yeah... its kinda hard to get in high keys as a sub rogue
its more like, boost your own key at this point
can you voidcore 2 heroic trinkets to save crests on your mythic trinkets? wrong place, need quick answer
you can.
yea
gg ty
but they wont be max level.
you use 20 crests per item
so you can take it temporarliy
i mean 20 vs 80 is chill per
yea
i already have 4 cores after weapons, so no point holding
and still we top dmg meters if we get an inivte -.-
ppl just write "bring a buff?"
pushing own keys is like waiting 20 mind for a tank just so he fucks up in the 1st pull
and I have 285 ilvl and 3.3k rating... what are ppl waiting for 17+
tbh depending on lvl you kinda already know people
and are doing resil keys
so instead of finding 1 person that leaves insta
it changes to depleting 3h
in the same key
isnt 3.3k a fair bit below 17s
like thats not even 16s no?
also yea this week will contrive ilvl quite a bit
most people that were already decently high jumped 3 to 4 ilvl
im almost 290 now
all 16s is 3410
yop all.
It is said: "Use Shadow Blades if you have Shadow Dance ready."
Does it mean I can use SB if I have only 1 charge of SD? What about making sure to have 2 charge of SD during each SB? I didn't see anyting about that it here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
Did I miss something?
!blades
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
Dance is 20 second cd. You don’t sit on charges. So have 1 ready and second coming off cd in ~10 seconds
Well if you play everything correctly it should be lining up well to get 2 of them either way
But yes you don't need both of them ready in immediately
any takes on this
alo, numbing poison slows casts from dungeons bosses
?
believe every dps he "gives u" is taken away
i would asume its not perfect in logs so u might get some but prob not much
u mean its assigned to him in logs?
woah, they can do that but cant assign us akari
i mean u see him in details below tank and then logs much higher
if everything is converted is prob hard to say
i cant imagine the math behind all those calculations taking away the dps for ~13 other dps
but yea, akaari still not assigned to us i guess that math is even harder
For SecTech, when do I need to wait for Ancient Arts, and when should I not? Should I try to line every Supercharger/AA/SecTech every time?
You do not need to apex your Secret techniques no
but actually if you are 0 cp on second dance in blades
you can dance+storm
to not krangle the apex on the evis/bp
i sometimes forget tho
wonder if that is more worth vs entering full cp
Either is fine
thanks!
Hi guys, Some say we can pull mobs of the corridor while doing the first pack in Terrace
we can do that in sub ?
guys what is your /console SpellQueueWindow
default or around 200-250
you rly shouldn't concern yourself with it
post a top gear sim and lets see
which ones?
only one i can think of is outlaw
to avoid accidental casts
is there a other spec with sub 1 sec gcd?
ok
Pretty sure that was fixed
At least the monk one, but the mobs are immune until you've killed the first pack now
can u see if m doing sim right?
use latest, not weekly. i'm not going to add up your haste but if you have 800 it should be fine.
use mastery flask for m+
and reckless potion
is that sim specific or always
his build says m+ so i'm assuming he's trying to figure keys out
and reckless is better in m+
i did a dungeon slice sim still says lights pot
i have 767 wo guidon
shiiiit
Your gear is low level it's fine
latest this time
will ask my friend xD
soo mastery flask is more good for m+?
Mastery is good for everything.
depending on your gear crit flask might be better for pure ST
tysm scath
np. dont overthink it too much. get your haste as close to 800 without going over. keep getting ilvl with mastery and crit looking for heavier mastery side
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
need equal for mastery and crit?
do you guys know the macro conditionals well?
you're 17 ish ilvls off higher end sub rogues right now. crest farm, gear farm, that's about it
With guidon you want around 700
684-700 ideally
!cutoff
Does anyone remember the command for the haste breakpoints?
In terms of the table gcds, specifically?
Roughly 200+every 500
So 700, 1.2k etc for trickster.
Around 100 less for deathstalker, so 100/600/1100 etc
Thank you for trying, Luvchild. And impeccable as always, Eleem - thank you!
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
Thank you. I'm playing around with deathstalker lately in terms of fitting 2-3 darkest nights within a First Dance, so I'm just doing the math
im so reasy for 1500 haste DS next tier
3k by end of season
sim bugged? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/peCwTa4JeUn3ak2XykxZSx saying forged mythic guidon is a dps loss from heroforged puzzle
on latest
Probably 'cause you're pisslow on Mastery and a bit too high on haste or summin
might be the 'upgrade all to same level' togg lemme rerun
nope still simming as a loss
owell im sure its better anyways
You can’t use droptimizer
droptimizer telling me alleria neck was a dps loss 
Use top gear
the sims have no way in droptimizer to make haste = 684. Use top gear and understand items changing haste significantly will be incorrect.
If simc and droptimizer is not working what can we use to know bis?

#tc-research message have fun. 
because i need to find that extra 20% dps im missing and im pretty sure its my suboptimal secondary stats 
Yeah that 100 Dps swing is really going to fuck your green parse up
20%? You have 3% haste or...?
my gear makes up for me being such a shit player
paracetamol
yeh somethin like that
289 in every slot besides 2 trinkets and weapons
If not then L bozo get better
I still just need rings and wrists
I also love how "you might want to get some additional haste for some more leeway" has somehow turned into "never ever trust the robot again" 
What
i've been hurt before
Everyone’s drank from the conspiracy well
retri palas infiltrated our robot
simc is still good
though we mostly at acquire ilevel
still
im still not 290 i cant laugh at the poors yet
Level a new character and you'll be 290
I love being disadvantaged for playing my character from the start of the season without an alt

real
yeah it's unreal how the season has developed

If you get 3400 twice, do you get 2 mounts?
i mean leveling dk sounds tempting
i can do keys without paying attention to mechanics
how dare u
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dks paay attention to mechanics
yeah and stand inside them
lfr queue simulator is so nerve wracking
When is season 2 out? Those dungs are already boring 
15/8
!prekey
Press 1 shadow dance
To get 2 extra charged combo points on the first pull
first 20 timed gang we are so back
1 dance before key. 1 dance as soon as key timer countdown starts. Once you hit dance you’ll have 6 charges to juice with.
@lilac stag my crit is almost equal to my mastery rating. does this mean my char is borked?
it means you’re not getting laid tonight
that was always happening anyway
is 903 mastery and 736 crit and 793 haste good for mythics? not sure if i need more mastery or not
are you timing keys?
yeah 14s
guess you’re good then
okay no worries also is there a certain talent build thats good for keys


I need to get my red rat into 10-12s to spend bonus rolls.
does it make sense to hold CdG a few seconds to use during any SD window? If so how long?
quick question, is 2 298 weapons ever a good idea? (assuming we can craft another piece for the other embelishment)
heheeeeeeeeee
i have bad news for you
no wait i've watched half an episode
No because hunt is good
watch it
it's a really fucking good comedy
thanks bro
might do, but i've already tried it and don't think it's for me 🙁
I am not a big fan of comedies but 99 is extremely good
very good references and all characters are fun
yeah the thing i appreciated the most about it
is they did "forced diversity" without any of it feeling forced
true
It's really the only series where every character is doing something
and has a persona etc
yeah
and their personalitys are more than just their traits
except gina
i hated gina
yeah a bit too much, but well written too id say
You were supposed to
was I?
everything i read online was how everyone loved gina
something something slay
she was perfect. She played the annoy the living fuck out of you at work while being attractive and likely not having any skills to be there beautifully
She’s a narcissist
yeah i know she's just a char being played by an actor
but for what b99 was
and everything that it did for "diversity"
her whole bit around sexually harassing terry crews char
which gets laughed off
sits really bad in the mouth
welcome to period comedy.
i hate it
Married with children was amazing.
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Now you’d get crucified
I’m using double 298. In my sims I’m getting like 100 less st, and 400 less aoe. I would rather have the extra 1k hp. Maybe different configurations would be worse, but rn I’m good with the extra hp
It’s only better rn because I have a double 298 setup from playing outlaw. If I had spent those crests elsewhere, yes probably just keep the hunt and more I lvl elsewhere
Not worth spending crests on double 298 for subt
are we supposed to take guidon over puzzlebox in m+ now?
guidon is better overall for what the spec does best
fair enough, it did feel a bit awkward with desync'd trinket and blades
I HAVE NO IDEA
how's your haste
since this is questions about haste channel
!stats
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YOU CAN'T OWN ME WITH MY OWN IMAGE
🪞
Why are about 80% of the top logs on Crown of the Cosmos still using Weaponmaster, even for the ones uploaded after the date the bug info was released?
because the majority of the wow player base isn’t in a spec discord and/or looks at pins and faqs.
You can still run WM. 
copy / paste top log.
Plus your probably assigning too much importance to tiny tiny spec optimizations
can anyone tell me why a patchwork sim would so a DPS loss from a 289 puzzle box to a 298?
Linky?
sim latest
is this accurate on dungeon splice for m+? it wants me to go haste mainhand enchant? but i have 17% haste 28% crit and 69% mastery elixired up in current gear
Because they're all chads that natty beat minmax virgins like us
hey guys
I have no clue about sub, never played it, so I thought hey let's give it a go. I just wanted to ask you guys about the state of the spec right now and if its viable. also is it fun to play?
does it have any procs?
You have to ""react"" to aa procs, but its semi scripted?
its ez to force and predict an aa "proc"
Does coup count as a proc?
somewhat, but u dont really react to it
evis just turns into it and people just macro it into black powder
You build it up and can predict when it reaches 4 stacks to some extend
Im using a stack bar to track coup, looks like a combo bar, helps me to easly predict it. I like it
Looks like the same one that ppl use to track sht, the ones that use it
is anyones potion not working in macros all of a sudden today?
okay so because i had rank 2 pots in warbank, macro wont use the rank 1's in my bag. lmao wtf
That happened to me too
That used to happen with tea as well
If you had the item in bank you couldn’t use the ability 😂
In a macro at least
So we've got to THAT point in the season, ey?
I’m having fun
WCL log processing is very slow last few days?
You should know better, we do the prio targets
That's the boss dam only
We have a great damage profile
Big burst phase for add waves, big prio
It's fun to have a big impact wherever we choose
not bad for optimisation lol
with oils and mastery flask and all gems enchants mastery
thats almost 2/3 add dmg to boss dmg
the others just didnt get as much
which is obv fine
That's 1/3 add damage 2/3 boss damage and subt is still the same proportionally gapping the rest of the raid
45 mil was total, 30 mil was just the boss damage taken
you mean 3.4k?
mdi winner
Damn this is some nice damage
Hey guys. is there anyway to use something like TellMeWhen to give me an audio notification when Shadow Blades is at 8 seconds remaining?
I thrive on audio cues as I don't have the best eyesight.
Oh is it some Blizzard addon change bs that will not allow this to work.
Not possible no
Big sadness, why did blizz take away my accessibility options. I'm calling the UN XD
You'll quickly get a good feeling for it if you track gcds instead of tracking a timer.
How many GCDs will you cast before it's time to SD? It'll be constant and then you'll just feel when it's time
Thats true
I'm already kinda getting there
Its just when I'm in hectic moments you know.
And the better you get at that, the better you'll be performing.
Especially, the better muscle memory you make it and the more experience you have, the better you'll do compared to others in hectic moments.
So now there's a small avenue of skill expression and personal progress which did not exist when everyone got a "ding" for when to press and subsequently the only skill expression was how well you were able to execute a key press at a time informed by addons
So I have set up my cooldown manager to empahsize the cooldown buttons so I can see them a lot more easily, I had this issue when WA were deleted from existence and kept holding CD's without realising
probably pop it 12 seconds before pull
Thanks guys! heaps of advice 🙂 I know its skill its just visual impairment for me
depends on what mechanics you have to do as well
I have a degenerative eye condition
this was one of the biggest losses to weak auras
Do we need 700 with 298 guidon?
i used to rely on so much audio stuff as well for little things
gtfo was a big one
but even stuff like when im out of range
or when you get SHT refund
Yeah, this is the reason for building muscle memory by really actively thinking about your actions and your decisions.
That way you won't need to look at any timers or listen for audio.
I'd say if one actively tries, they would be able to do the full CD sequence fully blind after an evening (if they go in with AA proc, else you need to listen to that effect/see the black boarders)
Greek rog spotted?👀
Yes except I will surpass casualaddict
The Greek freak
Waiting for my team to get good 🤣 they're all rerolling their alts(new mains) to get 290 overnight
At least the core mechanics, min/maxing might take a bit longer
I don't have time for that crap
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i love having a sound for apex refund
mine's the panther roar
wait you can still have a sound for it?
YAS
i see
😮 i need my recharge sound
Fellow souvlaki malaka greek is bis🙃
actually gonna take the flash off it's useless
damn no drum, snare as well
yeah i don't like most of the sounds
hehe nah i've never been a fan of meows
perks my ears up every time
BUT they have panther/lion that sounds cool
also 2 cool guitar sounds
and that's it
hehe
fair enough 😉
lol
oh there is this
I was today years old when I found out it has sound
it's pretty neat, i love having sound cues
Fr that would help so much
the only annoying thing is you can't add any alerts to coup




