#subtlety

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vale osprey
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Potentially Xenas? Not at my pc to see the pool, there's a dagger, not bis stats but 289+ MH is huge, it has the rings, it has a chest(?) and maybe one other tier slot?

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The cloak isn't horrible either I guess

barren haven
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Skyreach is another good one for that, trinket is meh and one other item, but rest is gucci.

Depending if u still need to get to your haste cap also.

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!stats

barren haven
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Long story short yes almost most of the time

tight fjord
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Any word on uncapping myth crests? We got alts hitting 290 by using half cost upgrades and ascending hero weapons and trinkets to skip myth crest upgrades on those slots, and my main is still weak at 286.6

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I’m getting mad

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Roll a second rogue and farm all the gear again or what

tribal blade
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it's hella annoying for someone like me who only plays 1 char

urban obsidian
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Can someone help me with how should I best use Puzzle box?
Should I hold it to 3rd blades? Or pop it yolo on stech and dance when its off cd?
As Im a casual m+ andy thats not onna get Gudion.

tribal blade
urban obsidian
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Thats major ass but makes sense I guess

tribal blade
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also it's not so bad to get guidon, you literally only need to do the 1st boss of the raid

urban obsidian
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Yeah, but then I have to pug mythic without even AOTC

sharp seal
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Hero vs myth guidon is only 700 dps difference for me in 285 gear btw

tribal blade
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you can do heroic too

urban obsidian
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Not getting invites to that shii

tribal blade
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ilvl on guidon is not important

urban obsidian
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Well I have mythic puzzle box

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Have to sim

tribal blade
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fair yeah

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but i refuse to use puzzlebox on sub haha

sharp seal
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I’m lazy rat, cba use box

urban obsidian
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Ive just accepted that I have to roll with it and roleplay that im a rubix cube wr holder

tribal blade
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i would just keep trying to get guidon, to me it's worth trying to get over puzzle

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guidon has it's own jank

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but compared to puzzlebox i think nowhere near as bad

sharp seal
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I remember at least 5 times our ret died on egg phase during progression, trying to use box kekdog

tribal blade
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and was like nah

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i'm not playing with this BS again

vale osprey
cursive tundra
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eyyyy, finally 19 res

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with a 100 log even

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could've been so much better, but last boss was trolled extremely hard by tank

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we tanked it in between 20 puddles

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puzzlebox supremacy EZ

gusty wharf
hazy breach
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Just get a few sht stacks, don't need all 5

short radish
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Yeah 1 or 2 is typically enough assuming you have shaman buff

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Because you auto during the sectech portion which then you should be on 5 for the next gcd

livid frigate
cursive tundra
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ingame it looked better

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218k dps while active

livid frigate
vale pine
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dps in keys depends a lot on the tank/group

cursive tundra
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it just depends on puzzlebox

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i fucking love it

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and I fucking hate it

hallow mortar
tribal blade
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and is chill as melee

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my raid was discussing strats on how to do the egg movement for certain people

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and i said "i figured out this really good strat, i just hold W and am fine"

livid frigate
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yeha but ive maxxed maybe 140k thats the highest

hallow mortar
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Nah

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The tick is so long you have lifetime to move if you need to

tribal blade
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lower keys not as easy to get the big overall

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for a multitude of reasons

fossil forge
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220 pit gaming

cursive tundra
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question. is shadow damage buffed by DH passive?

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i can't remember if shadow is in magic school or not

fossil forge
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Dh buff is very good

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Bp damage go boom

livid frigate
cursive tundra
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bp is still mostly physical no?

tribal blade
cursive tundra
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i guess find weakness adds shadow dmg to it

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and then also shadow blades

tribal blade
cursive tundra
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and ancient art

fossil forge
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Its time

cursive tundra
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is there a filter somehow on WCL to show how much of my dmg is physical and how much of it is shadow?

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i just timed my very first 20 as well

tribal blade
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can see here

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the yellow bar is phys

cursive tundra
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yes, but I kinda wanted an overall breakdown

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like across the whole dungeon

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x% phys, y% shadow

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might write a script to calculate kekw

tribal blade
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ah yeah then i have no idea lol

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oh mb i thought you meant just for BP

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misread

sweet moss
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yall playing sub in m+ how u getting invites xd

quaint breach
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decent logs + note 😄

tribal blade
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no bres/lust/dmg raid buff

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no meaningful utility

livid frigate
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im 3176 ilvl and i i feel like i will struggle doing 14s

cursive tundra
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druid/monk

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key to getting invites kekw

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have a tank or a healer friend who puts up with you playing rogue

tribal blade
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i've made title several seasons using that route

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during DF S2 made title queueing with a disc priest

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DF S3 made title queueing with a MW

tame notch
tribal blade
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this season is actually not so bad for rogues

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because phys comp is a real thing

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in previous seasons it was much worse queuing as rogue

cursive tundra
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yeah

tribal blade
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right now you have the meta comp which is dev, udk and aug

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but right below that you have phys comp which is dps warr and some combo of 2 other melee dps

drifting ether
radiant swift
tribal blade
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because when you're building a comp you need to make sure you have lust and bres

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which immediately excludes rogue

radiant swift
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but i have fingers

tribal blade
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and then when you're choosing you always want to stack raid buffs

radiant swift
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surely

tribal blade
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which rogue doesn't have either

tribal blade
radiant swift
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also feel like people want u to have that key already timed

tribal blade
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but there are other classes out there that have fingers too sadly

tribal blade
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like usually the ideal thing people are looking for is someone for whom that's the last key they need for that level resil

radiant swift
tribal blade
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one of the best ways to get around it is adding good people

radiant swift
tribal blade
radiant swift
tribal blade
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it's just different seasons have different meta comps/dungeon difficulty etc

radiant swift
fossil forge
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Dungeons are very easy also rn

tribal blade
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that's why it's so hard to make a team

radiant swift
tribal blade
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dungeons aren't nearly as oppressive as before

fossil forge
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Like

tribal blade
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the thing is

fossil forge
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very easy

tribal blade
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that just means the dungeon level gets pushed up

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and then the title range keys are still hard

fossil forge
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  • dmg was low as always
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  • shaman fatfinger 1 bl
empty bobcat
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back to box T_T

tribal blade
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even if a season is "easy" it kinda fixes itself because keys can go higher

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and then once a key is at a high enough level

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it becomes very hard

radiant swift
fossil forge
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nexus point first boss b lajk

tribal blade
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but a big thing this season is not as many kicks

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which reduces coordination needed

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before it was tough pugging title keys because of the coordination needed with kicks/stops

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not so much now

tribal blade
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it's just you have enough kicks to go around and not need people assigned

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before it was very tight having enough kicks/stops

radiant swift
tribal blade
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and you kinda needed to preplan before doing a key while pugging sometimes

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now you can just wing it

radiant swift
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i ran a mt yesterday

tribal blade
radiant swift
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we died, well me and one other dps, i run fully back and got killed again by that magister bolt whatever its called

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and that thing casts like 10sec?

tribal blade
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the only place i've found kicks to be an issue is one of the packs before 3rd boss in seat

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half the time i do that key i'm about to go into the pack as the tank has already pulled and they do 0 cc

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and then kicks go off and the dps die 1 by 1

radiant swift
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can u not let most trough besides blinding whatever its called?

tribal blade
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at title range not really no

radiant swift
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dunno how much dmg they do way higher up but they go out pretty frequently no?

tribal blade
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at lower key levels yeah

radiant swift
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makes sense

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did they cut on tanks cc/kickability?

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i swear paladin could play that solo last season

tribal blade
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i'm not doing title range keys this season so i honestly don't know what the dmg on bolts are like, but from previous season exp if a cast goes off on somebody it's like 90% chance they're just dead

tribal blade
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a bit toned down i think

radiant swift
tribal blade
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haven't played with any this season

fossil forge
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i played with many before the buffs

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they disappeared on 1 pull usually

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but they are kinda good rn

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after the buffs

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(they can survive at least)

radiant swift
tribal blade
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then after that it's been mostly pugging

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but even while mostly pugging i would usually have some people i would play a lot with every season

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that's the most common situation, where a few people play with each other on and off while pugging inbetween

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having a full 5 stack very hard to put together

still basalt
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for those with puzzble box - do you send it on cd with sectec and dance or always try to line up with SB?

marble sail
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sb, u treat it like a 3 min cd

still basalt
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okay thanks a lot

radiant swift
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well enough high up are prob the same people anyway

tribal vortex
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its unbelievable how shit the blinking of shadowstrike is

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in second boss sky reach

hazy breach
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Ye gotta be in melee range already so you don't get killed

tribal blade
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like 3 sessions per week of ~3-4 hours per session

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so like the average CE guild's raid times

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very chill

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when i was pugging title it was 3-4 hours per day minimum

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usually more

tribal vortex
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in an 18

muted birch
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i was almost sure you were my last teammate in apex

tribal vortex
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hahahaha

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i was dead for almost 2 minutes and i was still top dps xd

tribal vortex
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I will play assa on my next run just to be sure

rain hull
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!guidon

wicked joltBOT
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Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

summer mason
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Why is the breakdown 700 haste with Guidon? In the end, even with 500, activating Guidon gets you to 30% Haste, and with Shadow Dance you reach 8 seconds.. it doesn’t go any higher

vale pine
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We also optimize around secret technique cdr

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the 700 is basically the best alignment

thorny ridge
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
radiant swift
tribal blade
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but if you want to make it you need to push through it

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one of the most common reasons i see people i play with not make title isn't from lack of skill, it's they give up for whatever reason

crystal bone
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anyone else use UUF and having trouble displaying the damage taken increased stacks on P1 crown in mythic? on boss frames

tribal blade
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(granted lack of skill is also a SUPER common reason people don't make it)

radiant swift
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im kidding

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IM KIDDING

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i get it tho its hard wiping the same stuff over and over

tribal blade
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when i started title pushing i was nowhere near as good as i am now

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but i dedicated a lot of time and effort to constantly improving myself

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you need to not accept any weakness or failure you have in keys

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make a note of it and look for solutions

hazy breach
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You don't need the full 9 seconds to fit 9 globals

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In theory 8.1 is sufficient

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But it's moreso that you want 7.4s outside of guidon

tepid quartz
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Was there any new updates on the clanker on raidbots? Becouse now he want me to have less than 700 haste. Iirc i have 670-680ish haste now with mastery gems

lilac stag
charred trench
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Can anyone help me out with gearing advice?

lilac stag
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Get guidon. Get 700 haste. Get ilvl mastery>=crit>vers

charred trench
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How do i sim gear i dont have

void ocean
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top gear

charred trench
lilac stag
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You can add it in top gear

void ocean
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u have otpion to add anzthing

charred trench
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Oh thank you ill check it out

lilac stag
charred trench
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Im just trying to swap my crafted belt for wrists since i have a different mythic piece i could use

lilac stag
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I’m not following.

radiant swift
# tribal blade HAHA nah

as prob everywhere in every game but i made the grave mistake of slacking early with the keys so the good players were already past some keys

void ocean
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thing with rogue sims is that u gotta be carefull if u sim item with haste vs item without haste, results can be misleading and fucky

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sub rogue sims*

tribal blade
charred trench
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So i have the crafted belt and hero set bracers, But i have the Snapvine Cinch Myth
I wanted to know if upgrading the Myth belt and using crafted wrists would be better

tribal blade
jaunty shell
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Thoughts on Emberwing Feather > Puzzle? or is the haste not worth it

tribal vortex
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2 myth items are better than 1 myth and 1 hero

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it can be a bit of crest waste

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but at this point in the season

radiant swift
charred trench
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Yeah i still have like 300 myth crests I can farm so im good on those for a bit longer

tribal blade
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i would assume from that breakdown

radiant swift
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oh well i did only evis first boss

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but surely bp should be still first

tribal blade
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mmmm yeah BP should be first

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by quite a bit

radiant swift
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positioning issue mybe

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bp does have a lot of range tho

tribal blade
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maybe positioning, maybe losing globals

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honestly hard to say

radiant swift
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same

tribal blade
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next time you play imagine you have to fill every single global

radiant swift
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long time since ive seen such a breakdwon

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u do think i got the globals down ngl

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i wonder

tribal blade
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like imagine if you miss a global that's a lashing on your back from a whip

radiant swift
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DAMN

tribal blade
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i try to play very gcd hungry lol

radiant swift
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void dh got all the lashers

vale pine
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slow down, we are not outlaw

radiant swift
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nothing to gain

vale pine
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no need to fill every gcd

radiant swift
tribal blade
radiant swift
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fill every cd twice

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its just funny because its in a key like AA

weary tree
radiant swift
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u cant really do wrong with shuriken + bp

tribal blade
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i mean moreso be very hungry to do dps

radiant swift
tribal blade
radiant swift
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dont tell my tank that tho

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ive mybe died a couple of times greedying edge of mechanic

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i still believe the big brown circle on first aa boss is bigger than it shows

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im prob wrong but i will die on that

lilac stag
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@tribal blade sadly just from an ease of getting groups and getting reps in it’s not worth it on rogue.

tribal blade
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that usually happens when someone runs too far ahead of the group

radiant swift
lilac stag
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you really need a group to play with that isn’t just LFG pain

tribal blade
quaint breach
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arcane torrent in maisara caverns is crazy

tribal blade
radiant swift
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feels still a bit weak without

tribal blade
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skyfury is big

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it's quite easy as rogue this season to form groups with all the buffs you want

radiant swift
radiant swift
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i am eu tho so

tribal blade
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phys comp has been a much bigger thing starting last season

radiant swift
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idk if that matters

tribal blade
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honestly not sure

radiant swift
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or if people are looking for otlw?

tribal blade
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could be a diff

radiant swift
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idk how much people pay attention to what is good besides mybe watching mdi

tribal blade
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yes likely most people are looking for outlaw rogues

radiant swift
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sneaky otlw into change before key tech then

tribal blade
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people who push tend to pay attention to what specs are peforming the best

tribal blade
radiant swift
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theres def 0 invites as sin but as sub its not bad

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are u playing otlw in keys?

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was practicing it but then it got nerfed and sub got buffed

tribal blade
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i got pretty good at it during SL

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but honestly it's just too much

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i also get a lot of arm pain when i play outlaw for obvious reasons

radiant swift
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old

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who said that

tribal blade
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LOL

radiant swift
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name and shame

tribal blade
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yeah old, but also i had pretty extensive reconstructive surgery years ago

radiant swift
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otlw is fun but

tribal blade
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which has complications

radiant swift
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it need so much attention

radiant swift
tribal blade
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my nerves are kinda fried

tribal blade
radiant swift
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hope its much better now

tribal blade
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yeah when i was practicing outlaw during prepatch my left arm was on fire from sitting on the dummies for hours

tribal blade
radiant swift
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might need to again but i dont wanna int

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was doing it in like 10s where it doesnt matter

tribal blade
radiant swift
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BUT

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in my expierence that takes like what mybe 1h?

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its a whole diffrent story in keys

tribal blade
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because i think if you can't do it on the dummies w/o thinking there's 0% chance you're doing it in a key with x10 the amount of things going on

radiant swift
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with everything going on

tribal blade
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i'm not so great at picking up new specs in general

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i need a lot of time to workshop it on dummies

radiant swift
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find it easy if nothing is going on but

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rotation, kicking and dodging after 1h of dummies was

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rough

tribal blade
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oh yeah it becomes legit impossible with everything else going on haha

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esp with a spec like outlaw

radiant swift
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it just takes so mcuh focus

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constantly checking for stuff

tribal blade
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i also practiced a lot of hours on the dummies as outlaw because you have so many different rotational situations that can arise

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because of how you're sending everything on cd

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i think that's one of the unique things about the outlaw rotation

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you need to be able to muscle memory the priority list

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but anyways i'm going to bed, gl on your pushing!

radiant swift
coral hemlock
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!ui

wicked joltBOT
radiant swift
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also dont tell zac but i feel like if u dont run out of energy on otwl its super fun

gusty wharf
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how long does it take for your log to show up on warcraft logs after uploading ?

hazy breach
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Should be instantly

heavy ember
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Before yesterday it was instant

radiant swift
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just give it some

gusty wharf
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mine are uploading from the app but not showing on website. dunno first time i have ever really tried logging my keys was last night

trim quarry
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Anyone got any ideas why this macro works right up until secret technique, it only wont cast that ability

trim quarry
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yer

trim quarry
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neg

lilac stag
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It’s an instant cast with a gcd

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500 milliseconds according to wowhead

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if that’s accurate idk but try putting it after Sectech

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Could just be wonky spell cast

trim quarry
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Me spamming it

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XD

trim quarry
lilac stag
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Can you macro it to guidon instead?

trim quarry
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Guidon?

sick epoch
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Hi guys silly question, do you black powder into 2 targets? I assume we shadowstrike but do you black powder over eviscerate?

old lynx
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had the same question honestly lol

foggy estuary
hazy breach
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If you have potent powder specced and a decent chunk of mastery you can bp at 2

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But in general bp at 3

foggy estuary
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Isnt dam output same if pp for 2?

old lynx
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Are we holding sd for sb so we have two? besides the first pull i rarely have two sd's for the entire duration of sb

hazy breach
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You always want to use 2 during blades yes

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You don't dance unless you can use sectech in that dance, and with the recommended haste levels that should line up fairly well

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Sometimes you need to hold like 5 seconds or so but that's alright

plucky moon
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Guys, can someone share me talents for sub in m+ and raid if you dont mind? Didnt play sub some time and heard something changed

vale pine
radiant swift
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wowhead is up2date

plucky moon
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Oh tyvm and sry for bothering you

vale pine
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all fine

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talents did change shortly when we had the patch for cloud cover

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but are pmuch back to what was used before

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there is a certain flexibility

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so you can see rogues run slighly modified versions of the standard suggestions

radiant swift
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for peeps that killed crown - is there somenthing i can do for p3 obelisks? we are 4 meele and i get them oretty frequentdead

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ask the tank to mybe love boss closer?

small sleet
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In p3 nothing is really stopping you from walking up to the boss while you have obelisk as long as you’re not hitting other people by doing it

radiant swift
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well u do have to aim it at the thingies far away so depending on where they are u end up bit further from the boss

small sleet
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You only aim it at those in p2 there’s nothing to hit in p3. In p2 you just take the downtime and focus on hitting the adds.

radiant swift
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are we borh talking the same boss

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im not sure if its p3 basicaly when ur on the platforms

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p2 is just running

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and getting hit by every second laser

small sleet
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That’s i1 or intermission 1 where you’re running

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P2 is once you’ve stopped running and are on the platforms

radiant swift
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idk on lorrgs it was shown as p2 but then p2 i guess

small sleet
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Ah warcraftlogs refers to it as I1

radiant swift
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possible

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pr prob bcs it worls wirh intermissions and lorrgs just has p1 etc

small sleet
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But yeah, in the phase where you need to hit ghosts with your obelisk, you really just gotta take the downtime. If you’re trying to hit boss and focus on rotation you’re just gonna increase the chance you miss your obelisk, which is way worse than a couple seconds of downtime

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The dps check on the fight is very easy at this point, it’s just about doing the mechanics correctly

radiant swift
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sadge

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boss feels kinda w.e but i guess thats where rhe low average pull counter stems from

surreal orbit
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that chimaerus sac soak pad is diabolical xD

radiant swift
surreal orbit
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im coping that it is I havent actually looked at all the logs but my most recent parse on chimaerus was 64 and I didnt do that soak thing

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I misaligned my CDs leading up to the final boss burn anyways, live and learn

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it was a pug group so wasnt the cleanest kill took 1.5 hours of forming and pulls to actually get the kill

radiant swift
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well most logs are without that

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besides mybe the very top ones

surreal orbit
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like i said cope

radiant swift
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youll get there

surreal orbit
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ive parsed better on chim already lol i got worse on that one

radiant swift
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just tell the void dvh to not be so hrny on the adds and to wait , till theyre grouped

surreal orbit
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my highest was 88 on rogue

radiant swift
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nice

surreal orbit
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how much of a chimaerus parse revolves around the group being good?

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nobody parse particularly high, I was top dps on most pulls, a lock beat me overall on the kill though

radiant swift
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think people said its better to be the second group that goes down

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ive parsed good on g1 aswell so idk

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on group 2 u would techicaly have cds for adds but its a waste

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(imo)

surreal orbit
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yeah I was g2

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the one comparison I looked a so far the other rogue had a segment of hella high dps on the big add that I didn't

stuck lance
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G1 tends to be better in my opinion if your skipping second down phase you just hold cds

void ocean
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u guys ever tho how MH weapon slot is left slot in char pane but its actually in our chars right hand

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its weird that we dont have an option to put mh weapon in left hand, i dont feel represented properly

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gonna sue Blizz

keen steppe
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in AA you take the mastery buff or crit=

tribal vortex
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you see your char facing you

void ocean
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no, i meant the slot not the actual weapon

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the slot is left one

tribal vortex
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yeah because your char is facing you 😛

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its symmetric to the char panel

void ocean
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but u can rotate ur char

wanton pond
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yo what spec changes do i make for paladins mythic

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or jusut paladins in general lol

void ocean
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well if u can play assa or outlaw that would be nice

lime vortex
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Hey, did you find a way to repair your macro ? If not i've something that worked for me

tropic field
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nope, please link yours

lime vortex
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I'm using this macro.
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309
/use item:245902
/use item:245903
/use item:241288
/use item:241289
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

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Since the item may have different id, i'm using all of them at once

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And the macro is working just fine for me

muted salmon
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Why dont you use your item slot instead of the specific item id?

sturdy mesa
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can u guys tell me wich trinket is better for m+?

lime vortex
radiant swift
lime vortex
#

bahahah

muted salmon
lime vortex
#

Especially since it's working with everything else

muted salmon
#

Yeah idk, blizzard’s patented “working as intended”

rich crystal
#

are we ever pressing slice and dice in our rotation?

fallow nimbus
#

/use 13 always works with spells unless the trinket is fucked and has special stuff like on gcd or cast time

upbeat cradle
#

guys any tips for dragons ?

fallow nimbus
#

Watch nimble range and pad on adds kekw

upbeat cradle
#

finally managed to get some pad on averzian because all the devourer DH were absent yesterday KEK

#

but so did the boomkin

#

are there more adds on mythic ?

#

it just adds the aoe when you break tether and the delayed soak on gloom right ?

random mason
foggy estuary
hallow mortar
#

this is joke, i never saw myth guidon on my rogue 😄

radiant swift
sullen hare
empty bobcat
#

only difference between deathstalker and trickster in ST is deathSt enters dance with no CP ?

vale pine
#

you also optimize around dn, but mostly yes

hazy breach
#

Ds enters dance with sectech or darkest night

#

Darkest night hits real hard, and should be apexed everytime

hallow mortar
#

is it sign to swap to BM hunter ?:D

#

maybe 😄

vale pine
#

don't join the dark side

lilac stag
#

@tribal blade ima so ready. 255 and 4pc lfg

hallow mortar
sturdy mesa
#

can u guys tell me wich trinket is better for m+?

#

i have to use guidon? for m+ too

hazy breach
#

Guidon or puzzlebox, either is fine

sturdy mesa
#

the best combination is?

hazy breach
#

Either

#

It depends

graceful osprey
#

I’ve been converted to a puzzle box enjoyer in M+

sturdy mesa
#

guidon + puzzle?

hazy breach
#

No

lilac stag
#

No

hazy breach
#

Gaze+either puzzle or guidon

sturdy mesa
#

ok ok

#

i reach 800 haste wo guidon

#

so i run gaze + puzzle

flat heron
#

so question ik shadow dance should be used for secret technique but if it isnt up is it ok to use it since theres two stacks ?

hazy breach
#

No

#

Because then you won't have two of them for blades

flat heron
#

ok just wanted to make sure

#

didnt know if it was a no no to sit at max charges

hazy breach
#

Well you shouldn't be at max charges

#

Then you screwed up earlier

polar dawn
#

Sub still need 650-700 haste for m+? or is better go full mastery crit?

flat heron
#

well if im waiting on blade to come off cd im usually at two charges

#

ok better question is it ok to use it while both are on cd

hazy breach
#

Use it with sectech

#

!blades and this

wicked joltBOT
#

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

hazy breach
#

Unless you have strange haste levels it should line up well

flat heron
#

well im only level 73 so yeah xD

#

all i can say is im loving sub

thin spire
#

did sub get buffed?

#

like in the last 3 weeks

alpine wraith
#

as trickster

golden thunder
#

dmg is fine but so hard to find grps for m+ -.-

alpine wraith
#

actually i may be looking for people to do the weekly sub state video if anyone wants to join sometimes. After looking at some data this week i got quite surprised

gritty crow
#

yeah... its kinda hard to get in high keys as a sub rogue

#

its more like, boost your own key at this point

modest river
#

can you voidcore 2 heroic trinkets to save crests on your mythic trinkets? wrong place, need quick answer

gritty crow
#

you can.

alpine wraith
#

yea

modest river
#

gg ty

gritty crow
#

but they wont be max level.

alpine wraith
#

you use 20 crests per item

gritty crow
#

so you can take it temporarliy

modest river
#

i mean 20 vs 80 is chill per

alpine wraith
#

yea

modest river
#

i already have 4 cores after weapons, so no point holding

golden thunder
gritty crow
#

true

#

i just cleared pit 19

#

and i was top dps

#

with 91%

golden thunder
#

ppl just write "bring a buff?"

#

pushing own keys is like waiting 20 mind for a tank just so he fucks up in the 1st pull

#

and I have 285 ilvl and 3.3k rating... what are ppl waiting for 17+

alpine wraith
#

tbh depending on lvl you kinda already know people

#

and are doing resil keys

#

so instead of finding 1 person that leaves insta

#

it changes to depleting 3h

#

in the same key

warm marlin
#

like thats not even 16s no?

alpine wraith
#

also yea this week will contrive ilvl quite a bit

#

most people that were already decently high jumped 3 to 4 ilvl

#

im almost 290 now

radiant swift
void ocean
#

does aug affect our dps, can u see that in log?

#

in raid fight

tight fjord
#

can we evasion a blade rush on the first skyreach pull

#

avoid the dot

idle mango
lilac stag
#

!blades

wicked joltBOT
#

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

lilac stag
#

Dance is 20 second cd. You don’t sit on charges. So have 1 ready and second coming off cd in ~10 seconds

hazy breach
#

But yes you don't need both of them ready in immediately

void ocean
verbal glen
#

alo, numbing poison slows casts from dungeons bosses owwo ?

radiant swift
#

i would asume its not perfect in logs so u might get some but prob not much

void ocean
radiant swift
#

yes

#

afaik everything he buffs u is asigned to him as dps

void ocean
#

woah, they can do that but cant assign us akari

radiant swift
#

i mean u see him in details below tank and then logs much higher

#

if everything is converted is prob hard to say

void ocean
#

i cant imagine the math behind all those calculations taking away the dps for ~13 other dps

#

but yea, akaari still not assigned to us i guess that math is even harder

chrome palm
#

is cloud cover trick sub for seat lura intermission

#

using portal

inner shore
#

For SecTech, when do I need to wait for Ancient Arts, and when should I not? Should I try to line every Supercharger/AA/SecTech every time?

hazy breach
#

You do not need to apex your Secret techniques no

alpine wraith
#

but actually if you are 0 cp on second dance in blades

#

you can dance+storm

#

to not krangle the apex on the evis/bp

#

i sometimes forget tho

#

wonder if that is more worth vs entering full cp

hazy breach
#

Either is fine

inner shore
#

thanks!

placid crown
#

Hi guys, Some say we can pull mobs of the corridor while doing the first pack in Terrace

#

we can do that in sub ?

raw frost
#

guys what is your /console SpellQueueWindow

sturdy mesa
#

can someone help me sim my toon?

#

idk what m doing wrong

vale pine
#

you rly shouldn't concern yourself with it

lilac stag
raw frost
#

For some classes it helps a lot thats why xd

#

was curious if its diff with us

vale pine
#

which ones?

#

only one i can think of is outlaw

#

to avoid accidental casts

#

is there a other spec with sub 1 sec gcd?

raw frost
#

for demo lock

#

I wont bother changing it most likely don't care much

vale pine
#

oh interessting

#

how low is the gcd on demo?

sturdy mesa
hazy breach
#

At least the monk one, but the mobs are immune until you've killed the first pack now

sturdy mesa
#

can u see if m doing sim right?

lilac stag
#

use mastery flask for m+

#

and reckless potion

surreal orbit
lilac stag
#

his build says m+ so i'm assuming he's trying to figure keys out

#

and reckless is better in m+

surreal orbit
#

i did a dungeon slice sim still says lights pot

hazy breach
surreal orbit
#

shiiiit

lilac stag
#

Your gear is low level it's fine

raw frost
#

will ask my friend xD

sturdy mesa
#

soo mastery flask is more good for m+?

lilac stag
#

Mastery is good for everything.

random mason
#

depending on your gear crit flask might be better for pure ST

lilac stag
#

again they’re looking at m+

#

ain’t no one swapping flasks for a boss

sturdy mesa
#

tysm scath

lilac stag
#

np. dont overthink it too much. get your haste as close to 800 without going over. keep getting ilvl with mastery and crit looking for heavier mastery side

sage meteor
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
sturdy mesa
#

need equal for mastery and crit?

surreal orbit
#

do you guys know the macro conditionals well?

lilac stag
#

no, you want more mastery

#

crit is good too

#

mastery is bettter for aoe

sturdy mesa
#

sounds good

#

i see high level keys

#

1000+ mastery

#

ppls in high levels

tribal vortex
#

just equip higher ilvl items

#

and keep a haste of around 800 if no guidon

lilac stag
sturdy mesa
#

tysm guys

#

if i drop a guidon i can remove 100 haste?

golden totem
#

With guidon you want around 700

tribal vortex
#

684-700 ideally

steady osprey
#

!cutoff

#

Does anyone remember the command for the haste breakpoints?

#

In terms of the table gcds, specifically?

void ocean
#

!gcd table

#

well i tried

hazy breach
#

Roughly 200+every 500

#

So 700, 1.2k etc for trickster.
Around 100 less for deathstalker, so 100/600/1100 etc

steady osprey
#

Thank you for trying, Luvchild. And impeccable as always, Eleem - thank you!

tribal vortex
#

684 is the main one

#

!haste

wicked joltBOT
#

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

steady osprey
#

Thank you. I'm playing around with deathstalker lately in terms of fitting 2-3 darkest nights within a First Dance, so I'm just doing the math

graceful rock
#

im so reasy for 1500 haste DS next tier

somber sun
#

3k by end of season

upbeat cradle
#

well

#

dragons were a clusterfuck

#

i did pad on adds tho

#

the druid padded more

surreal orbit
#

on latest

tidal marsh
#

Probably 'cause you're pisslow on Mastery and a bit too high on haste or summin

surreal orbit
#

might be the 'upgrade all to same level' togg lemme rerun

#

nope still simming as a loss

#

owell im sure its better anyways

lilac stag
#

You can’t use droptimizer

surreal orbit
#

scath bout to tell me why im dumb

#

o

latent remnant
#

droptimizer telling me alleria neck was a dps loss garf

peak ice
#

Use top gear

lilac stag
#

the sims have no way in droptimizer to make haste = 684. Use top gear and understand items changing haste significantly will be incorrect.

grim wasp
slate marlin
#

Yo feelcraft

#

Like always

lilac stag
slate marlin
#

Why sim if 4 haste is better than 5 crit

#

When you can just feel it inside

random comet
#

because i need to find that extra 20% dps im missing and im pretty sure its my suboptimal secondary stats garf

lilac stag
#

Yeah that 100 Dps swing is really going to fuck your green parse up

slate marlin
random comet
#

am joking

#

theres only like a 10% drop by having worst possible secondaries anyway

latent remnant
#

my gear makes up for me being such a shit player

tidal solstice
#

less than 10%

void ocean
#

paracetamol

hazy breach
#

The 10% drop is if all of your stats were vers

#

And 0 of anything else

void ocean
#

so avoid verse at all cost

#

gotcha fam, say no more

tidal solstice
#

yeh somethin like that

shrewd lantern
#

If not then L bozo get better

latent remnant
#

I still just need rings and wrists

hazy breach
#

I also love how "you might want to get some additional haste for some more leeway" has somehow turned into "never ever trust the robot again" garf_sit

grim wasp
#

Simc was good 10 years ago tried it last 2 weeks aint using this not for me

hazy breach
#

What

peak ice
void ocean
#

retri palas infiltrated our robot

shrewd lantern
#

simc is still good

#

though we mostly at acquire ilevel

#

still

#

im still not 290 i cant laugh at the poors yet

hazy breach
#

Level a new character and you'll be 290

#

I love being disadvantaged for playing my character from the start of the season without an alt

patent crystal
#

real

shrewd lantern
#

surely blizz will fix it

#

surely

tribal vortex
#

yeah it's unreal how the season has developed

shrewd lantern
tribal vortex
#

If you get 3400 twice, do you get 2 mounts?

shrewd lantern
#

i mean leveling dk sounds tempting

#

i can do keys without paying attention to mechanics

tribal vortex
#

I am that close to going meta

#

fotm reroll incoming

vernal drum
#

!sheet

#

ops

void ocean
#

how dare u

tribal vortex
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
void ocean
#

dks paay attention to mechanics

tribal vortex
#

yeah and stand inside them

void ocean
#

so we can laugh when u fail em

#

like look at this bozo climbing stairs in skyreach

tribal vortex
#

lfr queue simulator is so nerve wracking

grim wasp
#

When is season 2 out? Those dungs are already boring dead

tribal vortex
#

15/8

west tide
#

!prekey

random mason
#

To get 2 extra charged combo points on the first pull

marble sail
#

first 20 timed gang we are so back

lilac stag
# west tide !prekey

1 dance before key. 1 dance as soon as key timer countdown starts. Once you hit dance you’ll have 6 charges to juice with.

short radish
#

@lilac stag my crit is almost equal to my mastery rating. does this mean my char is borked?

lilac stag
#

it means you’re not getting laid tonight

short radish
#

that was always happening anyway

livid frigate
#

is 903 mastery and 736 crit and 793 haste good for mythics? not sure if i need more mastery or not

lilac stag
#

are you timing keys?

livid frigate
#

yeah 14s

lilac stag
#

guess you’re good then

livid frigate
#

okay no worries also is there a certain talent build thats good for keys

lilac stag
lilac stag
#

I need to get my red rat into 10-12s to spend bonus rolls.

tribal blade
lilac stag
#

I am hoping you did not use the 99 self burn gif without knowing 99. dead

dusky nymph
#

does it make sense to hold CdG a few seconds to use during any SD window? If so how long?

blazing night
#

quick question, is 2 298 weapons ever a good idea? (assuming we can craft another piece for the other embelishment)

tribal blade
#

i have bad news for you

#

no wait i've watched half an episode

dusky yacht
#

16 PoS

short radish
#

it's a really fucking good comedy

blazing night
tribal blade
short radish
#

i think first ep was a bit weak

#

but after that its good

tribal vortex
#

I am not a big fan of comedies but 99 is extremely good

#

very good references and all characters are fun

short radish
#

yeah the thing i appreciated the most about it

#

is they did "forced diversity" without any of it feeling forced

tribal vortex
#

true

#

It's really the only series where every character is doing something

#

and has a persona etc

short radish
#

yeah

#

and their personalitys are more than just their traits

#

except gina

#

i hated gina

tribal vortex
#

yeah a bit too much, but well written too id say

lilac stag
short radish
#

was I?

#

everything i read online was how everyone loved gina

#

something something slay

lilac stag
#

she was perfect. She played the annoy the living fuck out of you at work while being attractive and likely not having any skills to be there beautifully

#

She’s a narcissist

short radish
#

yeah i know she's just a char being played by an actor

#

but for what b99 was

#

and everything that it did for "diversity"

#

her whole bit around sexually harassing terry crews char

#

which gets laughed off

#

sits really bad in the mouth

lilac stag
#

welcome to period comedy.

short radish
#

i hate it

lilac stag
#

Married with children was amazing.

brisk thunder
#

!bugs

wicked joltBOT
lilac stag
#

Now you’d get crucified

tight fjord
#

It’s only better rn because I have a double 298 setup from playing outlaw. If I had spent those crests elsewhere, yes probably just keep the hunt and more I lvl elsewhere

#

Not worth spending crests on double 298 for subt

willow mantle
#

are we supposed to take guidon over puzzlebox in m+ now?

lilac stag
#

guidon is better overall for what the spec does best

willow mantle
#

fair enough, it did feel a bit awkward with desync'd trinket and blades

lilac stag
#

you can play around puzzle with a proper group

#

@tribal blade how are my stats? kekw

tribal blade
#

how's your haste

#

since this is questions about haste channel

lilac stag
#

setting up UH now. then key slamming time

#

my plume has leech HOLY

short radish
runic sinew
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
tribal blade
short radish
#

🪞

sullen shell
#

Why are about 80% of the top logs on Crown of the Cosmos still using Weaponmaster, even for the ones uploaded after the date the bug info was released?

lilac stag
#

because the majority of the wow player base isn’t in a spec discord and/or looks at pins and faqs.

#

You can still run WM. Surebud

#

copy / paste top log.

random comet
#

Plus your probably assigning too much importance to tiny tiny spec optimizations

sullen dock
#

can anyone tell me why a patchwork sim would so a DPS loss from a 289 puzzle box to a 298?

random comet
#

Linky?

dusky yacht
ripe flame
#

sim latest

harsh moat
#

is this accurate on dungeon splice for m+? it wants me to go haste mainhand enchant? but i have 17% haste 28% crit and 69% mastery elixired up in current gear

hollow spear
spice patrol
#

hey guys

#

I have no clue about sub, never played it, so I thought hey let's give it a go. I just wanted to ask you guys about the state of the spec right now and if its viable. also is it fun to play?

lucid jackal
#

Its fun

#

its viable

spice patrol
#

does it have any procs?

short radish
#

Not really

#

At least not random ones

lucid jackal
#

You have to ""react"" to aa procs, but its semi scripted?

tame terrace
#

its ez to force and predict an aa "proc"

peak ice
#

Does coup count as a proc?

tame terrace
#

somewhat, but u dont really react to it

#

evis just turns into it and people just macro it into black powder

steel zinc
kind edge
#

Im using a stack bar to track coup, looks like a combo bar, helps me to easly predict it. I like it

#

Looks like the same one that ppl use to track sht, the ones that use it

fiery summit
#

is anyones potion not working in macros all of a sudden today?

west tide
#

manifesting is fuckin real

fiery summit
random comet
#

That used to happen with tea as well

#

If you had the item in bank you couldn’t use the ability 😂

#

In a macro at least

fiery summit
#

So i sold the rank 2's

#

and the macro still wont use the 1's lol

vale osprey
quaint breach
#

WCL log processing is very slow last few days?

radiant swift
#

from this and last boss

tight fjord
#

You should know better, we do the prio targets

#

That's the boss dam only

#

We have a great damage profile

#

Big burst phase for add waves, big prio

#

It's fun to have a big impact wherever we choose

fiery summit
#

not bad for optimisation lol

#

with oils and mastery flask and all gems enchants mastery

radiant swift
#

the others just didnt get as much

#

which is obv fine

tight fjord
#

That's 1/3 add damage 2/3 boss damage and subt is still the same proportionally gapping the rest of the raid

#

45 mil was total, 30 mil was just the boss damage taken

radiant swift
#

well tbh some of the people u had there suck a bit

#

still nice tho u got it

edgy imp
#

34k

vale pine
#

you mean 3.4k?

solemn crest
#

no 34k

#

34000

tribal vortex
#

mdi winner

frigid shuttle
royal fog
#

Hey guys. is there anyway to use something like TellMeWhen to give me an audio notification when Shadow Blades is at 8 seconds remaining?

#

I thrive on audio cues as I don't have the best eyesight.

#

Oh is it some Blizzard addon change bs that will not allow this to work.

hazy breach
#

Not possible no

royal fog
#

Big sadness, why did blizz take away my accessibility options. I'm calling the UN XD

lime wigeon
#

You'll quickly get a good feeling for it if you track gcds instead of tracking a timer.
How many GCDs will you cast before it's time to SD? It'll be constant and then you'll just feel when it's time

royal fog
#

Thats true

#

I'm already kinda getting there

#

Its just when I'm in hectic moments you know.

lime wigeon
#

And the better you get at that, the better you'll be performing.
Especially, the better muscle memory you make it and the more experience you have, the better you'll do compared to others in hectic moments.
So now there's a small avenue of skill expression and personal progress which did not exist when everyone got a "ding" for when to press and subsequently the only skill expression was how well you were able to execute a key press at a time informed by addons

rotund terrace
nova cairn
#

On beloren with box, how do we pop it on pull

#

Like 4 secs before pull

short radish
royal fog
#

Thanks guys! heaps of advice 🙂 I know its skill its just visual impairment for me

short radish
#

depends on what mechanics you have to do as well

royal fog
#

I have a degenerative eye condition

short radish
dry plank
short radish
#

i used to rely on so much audio stuff as well for little things

#

gtfo was a big one

#

but even stuff like when im out of range

#

or when you get SHT refund

fiery summit
#

sorry caps

lime wigeon
foggy estuary
tight fjord
#

Yes except I will surpass casualaddict

#

The Greek freak

#

Waiting for my team to get good 🤣 they're all rerolling their alts(new mains) to get 290 overnight

vale pine
tight fjord
#

I don't have time for that crap

thorny ridge
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
tribal blade
#

mine's the panther roar

short radish
#

wait you can still have a sound for it?

tribal blade
short radish
#

please elaborate

#

i need my drum snare again

tribal blade
#

you can find the apex in tracked buffs

#

then add a sound alert to it

short radish
#

i see

thin sinew
#

😮 i need my recharge sound

tribal blade
#

default blizz CDM doesn't have gun sounds sadly

#

this is mine

foggy estuary
tribal blade
#

actually gonna take the flash off it's useless

short radish
#

damn no drum, snare as well

tribal blade
#

yeah i don't like most of the sounds

maiden oar
#

do cat meow

#

thats my bigwigs important thing on me noise

tribal blade
#

hehe nah i've never been a fan of meows

maiden oar
#

perks my ears up every time

tribal blade
#

BUT they have panther/lion that sounds cool

#

also 2 cool guitar sounds

#

and that's it

maiden oar
#

hehe

tribal blade
tribal blade
#

lol

#

oh there is this

red flame
tribal blade
red flame
tribal blade
#

the only annoying thing is you can't add any alerts to coup