subtlety

[desert oasis]

Yall dropping weapons master and the rotten to get two in finality?

[tribal blade]

decided to make that when this channel became 80% questions about stats

[tribal blade]

yah

[desert oasis]

I love the sass in it haha

[desert oasis]

also ty for the tip, I'm also assuming "No scruples" is better than "cloud cover"?

[tribal blade]

for most cases yeah

you might see the random chinese sub running cloud in keys

but they tend to do things differently

i say "random" but those mofos have high IO lol

[desert oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-ching-cheng-hanji-chinese-chinese-tom-tom-and-jerry-gif-18775286

Its fine, I aint pushing 20's lol

[tribal blade]

TRUE

but even for 20+ i would still recommend scruples

[wicked urchin]

i keep telling myself i’ll push score but then i just end up raid logging

wish i enjoyed m+ more

[royal fog]

Question guys. I have Edge of the Burning Sun and Krick's Beetle Stabber Myth 2/6 would it be better for me to upgrade both to 6/6 or is it still better to have a crafted off-hand? I'm unlikely to get the Mythic bird dagger anytime soon (I am likely to get the Mythic Godzilla one though). Is this a solved question, likely to make a huge difference or is it just a sim it and see kinda deal?

[outer orchid]

a lot of people do

[tribal blade]

crafted OH would be better, hunt embel is good

[outer orchid]

there's not a good enough reward for the effort i'm afraid

[tribal blade]

upgrade one of those to 289 and then to 298

then upgrade your OH to 295

[royal fog]

Sick ok ive got the Burning Sun at 298 now. Will craft OH 👌

Thanks.

[tribal blade]

btw upgrade that offhand last out of the 4 pieces

[tribal blade]

do MH>trinks>offhand

[royal fog]

Sick ty! Ive just started my rogue journey so really appreciate it.

No Gaze yet. Have a Guidon and the Prism from Skyreach.

[tribal blade]

you can just send the 298 upgrades on anything you have, can farm them infinitely

[royal fog]

Yeah true that. They seem pretty abundant. Just like gear. I got super lucky with bonus rolls. Character was level 10 2 days ago and now its 266. Still have 3 bonus rolls left. Hopefully my myth Chim goes well tonight loot wise.

[cedar sapphire]

Can someone explain why this belt flayed black belt I got equiped in 285 is simming less dps on 289 ilvl?

[teal coral]

do you have a socket in your 285 blet

[cedar sapphire]

yepp

thanks

[short radish]

[cedar sapphire]

haha

[teal coral]

np

I am big genius brain

[cedar sapphire]

im not obsiously 🙁

[short radish]

also unrelated, but why link a screenshot of teh report

and not just the link to the report

[teal coral]

cause he's not big genius brain

he said so himself

hello is this thing on

[cedar sapphire]

haha was about to type that

[short radish]

understandable have a nice day

[teal coral]

ridiculous

[void ocean]

mornin, kings, is patch live on EU for drop rates of upgrades

[teal coral]

yes

[void ocean]

lovely jubbly

[teal coral]

that's what I'm sayin

[tribal blade]

one day blizz will learn from previous mistakes

but it is not this day

[void ocean]

boy thats a lot of things to cover

[tight fjord]

can someone tell me what is the 3 stamina enchant on tomelvis's gloves

[tribal blade]

lol yup

[tight fjord]

i want 3 stamina

[tribal blade]

might be some legacy enchant

[tight fjord]

im using +2 fishing and that's not bis

[sick epoch]

I assume we're upgrading guidon before alnseer?

[void ocean]

no

[lusty solar]

alnseer was like 200 more dps for me

not that biggie

[sick epoch]

It just feels bad to use guidon 2 sec before cds cause of the bugg tbh

[lusty solar]

alnseer would be crazy if the ilvl increased didnt suck

[sick epoch]

1 sec*

[silver hearth]

can someone please explain to me like I'm a 7 year old how to manage SB,Sectec, and ensuring empowered coup de grace?

I'm pretty sure we are supposed to get 2 Sectecs into each sb, but I'm unsure how to ensure empowered coup de grace when it comes the opener and also during the fight. I don't think it applies to the opener (could be wrong) I just don't get it

Sorry you want an ancient arts/empowered coup de grace right?

[tribal blade]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[tribal blade]

also we don't try to supercharge coup

whoops

we don't try to apex coup*

[hollow spear]

Was about to say that, sc on coup is the same as on evis

[tribal blade]

we try to apex the supercharged (blue) CP

[hollow spear]

In aoe it's better than evis though, which is why I hold sometimes

Can't hold too long tho

[silver hearth]

I don't understand

I just watched this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DtFWFqJL3Q

and I still don't get it

[tribal blade]

he's overstating the effect of the apex optimization

it's not an insane diff like he says it is

it's more like ~1% gain

[alpine wraith]

i wonder how people dont find mine hmm but yea some things are not huge

[tribal blade]

your dances should look like:
dance>sectec (consume first supercharged CP)>strike>evis/BP/coup (consume 2nd SC CP)

[short delta]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm watching his vid and it's a little hard to follow

[silver hearth]

outside of dance, if we have coup, do we hold it until our next dance so it's supercharged?

[alpine wraith]

you can hold for some secs

like 4 or 5

otherwise send it

specially if fazed or flawless form is about to end

to refresh

[tribal blade]

what hacha said yeah

in general you're pretty safe to just send it

unless you're about to enter dance very soon

but if you play just full sending it no thinking you won't do bad damage

[silver hearth]

thanks everyone

[tribal blade]

so long as you play dances correctly

[tribal blade]

to add more context, if you hold coup for dance you run the risk of wasting 1-2 unseenblade procs or possibly even more

[silver hearth]

I typically just dance, sectec, Builder, finsher,builder,finisher and so on

[tribal blade]

yeah that's what you want to do

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[tribal blade]

^ this is the apex optimization

and not doing this optimization is not the end of the world

there are a lot of top logs that don't do it

[peak ice]

Dont overthink it tbh

[silver hearth]

idk I just downed dragons tonight (got into the season late and into a reformed guild) and didn't parse well

[tribal blade]

also i hate to be that guy but he used a thumbnail on his vid showing orange parses

and all his raid logs are blue

[peak ice]

Dragons is pretty easy to fuck up your parse

[silver hearth]

but there were 4 pulls where we were at 5-10% that I was 80-96 parsing

and im doing the same thing

[peak ice]

You have to aoe the ads

[silver hearth]

]so I just dont get it

[hollow spear]

No pad no parse

If other players snipe your pad you're going to suffer

[peak ice]

Paladins damage jumping during that phase

[rigid delta]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[tribal blade]

they took dragons off all stars on warcraftlogs

because it's a pad fight

[peak ice]

…take paladins off

[tribal blade]

it's impossible to parse that fight depending on who is padding on the orbs

[silver hearth]

what about fallen king?

I didn't parse well there either because our raid lead told us to go hard on the big orbs and leave the little ones to ranged

[tribal blade]

fallen king you can just full tunnel the boss and still parse purple

[tribal blade]

huh weird

supposed to be the other way around

ranged deal with the big orbs

melee deal with the little ones

[silver hearth]

[tribal blade]

in general melee just sit on boss until the big orbs absolutely need to die

[hollow spear]

(raid lead is ranged and wants to parse)

[tribal blade]

LOL

but yeah making melee deal with big orbs is not great

[silver hearth]

my big orb damage on my kill is 3rd or 4th I think

[tribal blade]

huge

[silver hearth]

not huge

make number small

[tribal blade]

but yeah that's probably partly why you didn't parse well

needing to constantly swap targets

that's kinda a fight where ranged deal with most of the stuff

doing big orb dmg and cc/kicking the adds

[silver hearth]

honestly the parse doesn't matter to me much, it just gets me in my head like what am I doing wrong

[tribal blade]

and then melee just chase the boss around

[tribal blade]

lol that's probably not on you

bad strat

i dunno maybe some guilds do it that way, from what i know the optimal strat is ranged on big orbs

[silver hearth]

appreciate you talking to me, it's very late time for bed. Thanks for the insight and not being toxic 😄

[tribal blade]

ofc!

omfg there's no way

there's no fucking way

ok the video you linked

[hollow spear]

You're lucky that Prophet wasn't toxic this time, usually he would have given you an earful!

[tribal blade]

LOL TRUE

but ok the video he linked from the guide he was referencing

[hollow spear]

He can't help it, he's a former key pusher

[tribal blade]

i'm looking at this sub rogue's RIO

there's just no way

bruh i'm dead

[random comet]

if we're puzzle box gaming because a certain other trinket is MIA, we treat puzzle box as a 3min right

[hollow spear]

You sometimes hold blades if you know a giga pull is coming

[tribal blade]

ok yeah either he logged out in weird gear or he has no business making a guide

[peak ice]

What’s wrong with the claw?

[random comet]

ty ty

[alpine wraith]

maybe is down bad on luck

does he have 800 haste at least

[hollow spear]

There's no way

[tribal blade]

slow offhand for sub /cry

[peak ice]

I see

[tribal blade]

haha trueee

[hollow spear]

He could equip any heroic dagger in his offhand

[alpine wraith]

oh didnt see the slow offhand

oofers

[hollow spear]

But at least he supercharges his coup

[tribal blade]

741 haste

which means he's either too low

or he puts on haste flask and is too high

[alpine wraith]

ah man

[drifting ether]

I dropped my crit down look at the gain from just 1 talent change for m+
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rxsEaSkxmbMGXSj1hjqone

[tribal blade]

the slow offhand is killing me though

[alpine wraith]

maybe it is one of those AI guides

[tribal blade]

hurting me physically

[alpine wraith]

to churn content

[tribal blade]

LOL maybe

[alpine wraith]

or maybe i suck at SEO

last guides have seen krangled ass numbers

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEEESH

[drifting ether]

Bruh pe was like just slightly ahead before now look at it

[tribal blade]

nah i'm too into warning signs

[peak ice]

Lura tonight lads

[alpine wraith]

yea WS is bae

[peak ice]

Got it to like 5% last time

[drifting ether]

PE had those big hits when you crit 🤣

[peak ice]

We’re benching the shitter mage so wish me luck

[drifting ether]

Im down for ws tho

[tribal blade]

i'm slightly annoyed someone making such basic errors with sub is making guides

oh ok

[alpine wraith]

oh no

[tribal blade]

still don't think he got the memo that you're better off using a boe dagger off the AH than a slow wep

[hollow spear]

Yep

I think I didn't drop a single heroic dagger in something like 120 m+ runs

[tribal blade]

mmmmmmm

[hollow spear]

That's not good advice

[keen dome]

Oh no

[tribal blade]

yeah..

[peak ice]

Just use any hero dagger though?

[keen dome]

I mean, using a fist weapon OH and making a guide is very silly. That's just a fundamental lack of understanding of the spec's quirks

Getting a dagger OH is extremely easy

[tribal blade]

yeah i think the ilvl diff needs to be pretty enormous to make using a slow offhand better

@alpine wraith might know the exact number i can't remember

[peak ice]

So he’s rolling outlaw on pit?

But making a sub guide?

[tribal blade]

he's trying to get the dagger from pit currently

[keen dome]

It's a moot point, imo, because getting a hero dagger or even champ is very very easy

Because you can just go buy a champ pvp dagger

[tribal blade]

it is yeah, you can also buy the boe daggers off the AH

[peak ice]

But how’d he get that oh then

Like he must have rolled it on outlaw in a dungeon

[tribal blade]

super cheap

and it's on adventurer track so you can free upgrade it to max

[keen dome]

You could also just craft a champ dagger with a spark

[earnest crane]

what embalishment should i use after got 298 daggers ?

[keen dome]

and upgrade it later

[tribal blade]

that's true yeah

[alpine wraith]

you can craft a veteran one

[hollow spear]

Hunt is still better than weave afaik

[earnest crane]

we dont use double 298 dagger ?

[hollow spear]

Which is why 298 + 295 crafted should be the best option

[peak ice]

Nope

[tribal blade]

yeah hunt overall better, and having a crafted OH is the better choice anyways since OH is the lowest dps slot for sub

[hollow spear]

Sim yourself, but I think not

[keen dome]

It's a sim yourself angle. For me, two arcano and two 298 sim a teeeeny tiny bit better

But it is also much of a muchness

[tribal blade]

oh interesting

[tribal blade]

very true yeah

[alpine wraith]

it is likely because bis list has no crafted apart from the wep+1 slot

if you have more crafted like me

like cloak and wrists/boots

[keen dome]

Yeah

I want two vora dagger for visual parity on the character sheet

that's +10 damage

SLI daggers

[hollow spear]

At least

But they have versatility 😱

[earnest crane]

isnt Skyreach dagger is more BIS for sub ?

[tribal blade]

would be yeah but the diff is not huge

[hollow spear]

Also depends

[tribal blade]

vora dagger is mostly mast

[keen dome]

BiS is a nebulous concept that will depend on your own gear

[tribal blade]

just a small amount of vers

[hollow spear]

There's no "bis dagger"

[tribal blade]

also we can farm the shards infinitely so it doesn't really matter what weps you upgrade

[keen dome]

Vora is good, imo

[hollow spear]

If you have too much haste already, skyreach dagger is shite

If you lack haste, it's peak

[tribal blade]

yeah i sent on vora dagger too because i am very good on haste

[peak ice]

Scrub dagger

[hollow spear]

No point calling stuff bis besides trinkets and 4set

[keen dome]

big urgh

[peak ice]

Nice verse nerd

[tribal blade]

also i'm pretty sure some people's sims want them to get some vers eventually

[hollow spear]

Booo

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[keen dome]

My crafted is mast/haste, so

[hollow spear]

Who says we're lovely?

[earnest crane]

i have 799 haste with two crafted haste mastery wep so i guess i must go for SKy dagger

[keen dome]

Once I swap it for vora I'm closer. then pit leggings and I swap belt to crit/mast and I'm like, perfect.

[vale pine]

guess everyone already has all upgrades now that we get the guaranteed drops

[tribal blade]

haha yeah

[keen dome]

Not me! I only just got up

time to grind it out

[tribal blade]

only needed to farm 5 more today

[hollow spear]

I'm on vacation

[tribal blade]

i did a ton of ritual sites

[keen dome]

I need 12 more

[hollow spear]

Just here to agitate

[peak ice]

Did they remove traps from prey hunts

[keen dome]

But I'm just gonna do trinkets today

Nah

they're zone-wide now

Just fly around

[tribal blade]

no, just likely lots of people doing prey

[peak ice]

Ah

[tribal blade]

because you guaranteed get shards from the champ boxes from prey

[keen dome]

they increased the contribution they give so it's a lot quicker

[tribal blade]

and prey are the fastest way to gets shards by far

[keen dome]

I knocked out 2 nightmare hunts in like 15 minutes this morning

[peak ice]

I should start doing it on my alts

[tribal blade]

yeah prey are definitely way faster now

[peak ice]

But like

Ehhhh

[keen dome]

But it's only the first 2 weekly that give shards

Unless it's also in the bags

[earnest crane]

u can get shard with prey? !

[tribal blade]

i also did 4 bountiful 11s today

because it's chill

[keen dome]

From the nightmare champion boxes yes

[tribal blade]

so is that 2 max per week?

or 4

2 right?

[peak ice]

2 from prey

[keen dome]

2 from Prey

[tribal blade]

cool

[peak ice]

4 per day bountiful

[keen dome]

9 from Heroic / 9 from Mythic (lol)

[tribal blade]

i like doing bountiful delves because i can do it at my own pace

[earnest crane]

hc raid is fast too

7 boss like 1hour

[tribal blade]

yeah if you're in a good group heroic is fast

[keen dome]

Assuming people can do it, yeah

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't do raid to try farm it though

until last resort

because you're at the mercy of other people

[hollow spear]

4 hours of lura progress

[tribal blade]

huge!

we're currently progging P2 of beloren

[keen dome]

I am going to try Heroic Lura on sunday I think

Get it done finally. I have just not wanted to touch it in pugs

[alpine wraith]

yea we are also on bird

[tribal blade]

i imagine P2 must be the worst phase for pugs

[keen dome]

nah, memory game

[tribal blade]

are you also immune soaking?

[hollow spear]

Nah that was in reply to you saying you're at the mercy of other ppl. I've once joined a 3h alleria progress kill even though it was advertised differently

[tribal blade]

OH right lol

[keen dome]

If people can get to P2 I imagine P2 is fine 'cos it's people paying attention

[keen dome]

lmao, hell yeah

[alpine wraith]

no need you can use feint and vanish

you can immune to clear balls tho

[tribal blade]

ah i'm just cloaking haha

wait what is this feint+vanish tech

with orbs?

[alpine wraith]

not orbs the dives

[tribal blade]

ohhh right ok

[hollow spear]

Sometimes when I'm bored I look for "heroic guild" in lfg to help out some random aotc guild

[peak ice]

i did some max party size zerg hero bird yesterday

[alpine wraith]

for orbs you need cloak yea

[tribal blade]

nah i'm not on dives

i'm only doing orbs

yeah

[keen dome]

that's very fun to do, I've done it often enough

Although sometimes you find the weirdest human beings

[tribal blade]

i do the first set in P1

then after int 1 is over

[hollow spear]

You do for sure

[keen dome]

Gonna try to help my guild get alleriaH down tonight

[peak ice]

i got into one with a really angry america dude and he was like "Ive been to nz, had kangaroo steaks"

[keen dome]

they've been doing it a very strange way and not at all how I wrote a guide for them to do it with says..

[hollow spear]

I once stumbled into a guild that would've hit any racist/ableist etc. bingo immediately

[keen dome]

oh god

[peak ice]

i just leave those ones

dont need that shit

[hollow spear]

I stayed for a minute just to soak in the misery

[keen dome]

Yeah, I walk out instantly.

[peak ice]

sad little lives

[keen dome]

And if it's my group, I will kick people.

[hollow spear]

I felt like I had joined a YouTube comment section

[peak ice]

its like going back to 2003 sometimes i swear

[hollow spear]

Maybe their guild name was "cod lobby" and I have myself to blame for joining

[tribal blade]

my aussie friend gave me kangaroo jerky 1 time

am i aussie now

fair dinkum m8

[peak ice]

idk im not australian

[tribal blade]

oh

rip

[peak ice]

hence my confusion

[keen dome]

haha

[tribal blade]

LOL

[keen dome]

My fav is people whispering slurs after you decline them from a group

[hollow spear]

Did you perhaps call them c*nt multiple times

[tribal blade]

you DARE not invite meEEE?!

[peak ice]

maybe but im from the smaller, better island

[tribal blade]

DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM???

[peak ice]

my mains 3400 fuck u

[tribal blade]

although i do think that when i get declined from 10-12s

back when i had title IO

and i'm like bruh

ok sure i guess you need the meta dps spec sure

[keen dome]

I once declined someone from heoric Ansurek who then went insane on me in whispers 'cos they were a CE raider

It always justifies my gut instinct of declining them

[tribal blade]

hahaaaa

amazing

yeah those are inside thoughts you think

not outside thoughts

whispering someone to tell them that is big ego

[peak ice]

the guy in my guild who bought his mythic constnatly talks like he knows what hes doing

[keen dome]

They're also gonna be shit a lot of the time 'cos they're raiding a lower difficulty without their raid enviroment.

[peak ice]

grey parses every fight

[tribal blade]

hahaaaa

i love those kinds of people

[keen dome]

Haha, that's always funny

[tribal blade]

we had one of those in our guild a while back

[peak ice]

everyones like

[tribal blade]

who bought glad

[peak ice]

we all know you bought it man, but no ones saying anything

[tribal blade]

and then nobody could figure out how he was so damn bad in raid

[keen dome]

It's always so obvious when people buy

[tribal blade]

when he was supposed to be this big dick pvper

[peak ice]

he went from 0 keys as well

to doing all 13s

and it was like

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-batman-rub-chin-gif-15689688

not sus

[tribal blade]

oh yeah buying 13s is so easy

i used to sell those back in the day with friends

[peak ice]

like, to have 0 raider io score and then being like

yo 13s

[tribal blade]

we could 4 man the key basically

[peak ice]

crazy to think thats normal

[tribal blade]

used to have buyers who wanted to not participate in the key

[peak ice]

he may as well not participate

[hollow spear]

I'm Ronnie Pickering!

[tribal blade]

who dat

[hollow spear]

Don't you know the video?

[peak ice]

it got so bad people have sugested 1 key rotation

[tribal blade]

oh a sports guy

[hollow spear]

Nah

[tribal blade]

nah i don't haha

[peak ice]

but he like, refuses cause hes running his own macros

which are gonna be some fuckn ai trash 100%

[hollow spear]

https://youtu.be/r0dcv6GKNNw?si=D-Jm_bLIgW517t4k

Just watched it again

I can't

[tribal blade]

omg that's the reddest face i've ever seen

you fockin muppet

[hollow spear]

Ronnie Pickering!
Who?
Ronnie Pickering!!
Who?
...

[tribal blade]

lol yeah that's amazing

[hollow spear]

Whenever someone says "don't you know who I am" I instantly think of this

[tribal blade]

some people can pull that card

but you have to be an absolute legend

i have the feeling this guy does not qualify

[keen dome]

I have had someone pull it at work on me and it was pathetic

People need to stop being weirdos

[tribal blade]

oh noooo

the worst i ever had was a coworker tell me about "kissing dates" he went on with other women

as a married guy

[keen dome]

Some semi famous guy "I don't have my library card, but you know who I am so you can just open the account, right?" "No" "But you know who I am."

[tribal blade]

and i was like "....what"

[tribal blade]

LOL

[keen dome]

Doing a 'rush' group on heroic and lol dwagons. We get to it, no groups, nothing. "We don't need them"

And we wiped 'cos damage split was bad, people not soaking gloom, orbs not killed, tank dying, nod ispels

God forbid people go a tiny bit slower so they can go faster.

[hollow spear]

The second any kind of strat has to be employed it's going downhill

Can't outzerg some stuff

[keen dome]

Yep

[hollow spear]

That's where you usually notice that your raid leader is a bozo

Replaces some ppl who look bad on the meter, still refuses to do groups, starts countdown

[keen dome]

Yep

I find it interesting how people are all "GOGOGO" etc, but refuse to take 5 - 10 seconds to do one thing to speed the group up

'Cos you'll just wipe

[tulip gorge]

my sims recommend me 619 haste instead of +700

[keen dome]

It's a robot, you aren't. That's most likely why.

[hollow spear]

His name is rob tho

[tulip gorge]

so should I still go for 700, or

[keen dome]

Yep

674 without oils is fine

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[keen dome]

This should explain it far more eloquently than I can

[tulip gorge]

thanks

[keen dome]

two down, big gains.

[tight fjord]

i feel like im playing the most hated spec in m+

ppl are too worried about a meta comp and we all just got 6% more power -_-

[shy scarab]

No creds for getting it today, if you got it before the changes huge respect for you!

[keen dome]

Haha

I did my dagger before the changes

but couldn't be bothered grinding a second one

[shy scarab]

Hahahaha same

Managed to get 5 cores i. 1 hour. After that i got like 1 per hour it or so..

[alpine wraith]

think i will have time to do maybe the 2 preys and the bountiful delves before raid

but not much more

[steel zinc]

Can you go NM raid then HC and get another set of shards?

[keen dome]

Heroic are 100% drops. Normal aren't.

[sharp seal]

finally... 113 pulls

[flat beacon]

I have a rotaional question, when do you guys hold ur shadow dance to pair it with secret technique, and when do you just send it and wait with secret technique for the next shadow dance?

[alpine wraith]

you usually use dance with sec tech

[flat beacon]

I know, but sometimes I have like 10 sec cd on my sec tech left and Shadow dance is already up, and I am not sure if it is better to hold shadow dance then

[hazy breach]

There's no reason to send dance by itself

You lose literally nothing by holding (unless you sit on 2 charges, but that shouldn't happen)

As you have 2 charges

[flat beacon]

Oh I haven't thought about it that way!

Yeah only if I would have 2 charges, but that never happens

Thank you!

[raw frost]

which one for dungeons you are play ing with

[zinc wagon]

if we have enough haste we replace weapon oil?

[small sleet]

yeah idk its looking like charrend is washed....

do not look eviscerate versus bp casts

@plush roost

[plush roost]

[hollow spear]

You've got evis bound in m+?

[small sleet]

no i click it from spellbook

[hollow spear]

Good approach

Emergencies only

[plush roost]

me when i press eviserate 73 more times

[jade urchin]

does anyone know if i get the crest discount on rings if i craft 2 rings

[small sleet]

295 ilvl charrend super rogue boosted by world first guild consequence guild to 5 ilvl over max presses wrong button then blames "pad"!!!! typical!!!!!

[placid crown]

Hello guys. Do the enchants/embellish on crafted weapons scale with ilvl ? Then if i have the choice, is it better to have 2 daggers 298 or one 298 and one crafted 295 ?

[vale pine]

lol

[keen dome]

Very slightly. Best to sim to see the difference but I imagine it's a very marginal one.

[sly shore]

This snuck into trickster

[plush roost]

Was it during blades second dance?

[sly shore]

yea

[plush roost]

i think it just does that for global efficiency

[quaint breach]

does upgrading heroic gear with voidshards save mythic upgrade crests once those hc items are replaced?

[jade urchin]

yes

[alpine wraith]

it is to unkrangle the first finisher

if you end first dance with no cp

after the vanish strike if available

so you supercharge the evis

what i havent checked is if it happens regularly

[raw frost]

i see here top players are playing with The first dance ?

wasn't this better only at low keys

[alpine wraith]

it is kinda always better

just people like to cope being bad and not resetting it and working for it

or chainpulls bla bla

also it may depend on the key

some of them you can chainpull the whole dungeon likely

[nocturne tendon]

some keys it's just gg

[raw frost]

if no chain pulls its good ye xD

[nocturne tendon]

like fucking NPX fuck that place

[raw frost]

and some play without veiltouched

i guess is meh talent

[alpine wraith]

on npx you get at least 4 to 5 procs so that makes it better than anything

it would be bad if you only got it like once on the whole key

but even once every like 5 mins is super good

and not many dungeons have that

[nocturne tendon]

shrug

I still use it over VT anyway but yeah

there's also some dumb interaction going on with TFD that I can't explain properly, but say you finish a pull with dance up and get out of combat, TFD buff won't start ticking until the moment dance would expire, even if you cancelaura it

[tribal blade]

yeah it's a problem with TFD

you are sometimes waiting longer than 6 seconds to get the buff

[plush roost]

Tfd feels bad to me

You just lose boss dps

[small sleet]

what top players are using tfd? i feel like all the people pushing high keys arent using it

[plush roost]

The russian guy

[keen yew]

has anyone bothered to do a large gear sim so to know what is the "overall BiS" ? raidbots wouldn't be able to handle this large of a sim..

[plush roost]

Cantanex

[small sleet]

i dont think the russian guy uses it anymore

[plush roost]

Used it in maisara

[small sleet]

over a point in finality interesting

[plush roost]

I dont like it

[small sleet]

maybe it was to make up for the fact he was only running 300 haste that key

his st looks like it suffered pretty hard on 2nd and 3rd boss

[tribal blade]

yeah he was saying it in his stream the other day

was swapping off TFD for more boss dammy

[tribal blade]

mmm true

i kinda feel like swapping between all these talents are quite a small diff in the grand scheme of things

[drifting ether]

It started 🤣

[lean arch]

Do we spam eviscerate on 2 enemies

[small sleet]

With potent powder talented you black powder

[upbeat cradle]

can you get voidcores from the void strikes ? or just ritual ?

[tribal blade]

not from void strikes

rituals highest chance of getting them is tier 5 iirc, but it's not guaranteed

[lean arch]

rly cos on paladins it feels like I do more when I switch to powder only when the 3 are grouped

[tribal blade]

BP will do more than evis on 2 targets with PP talented

you can do the math

[tepid trellis]

depending on your mastery

[tribal blade]

true

[lean arch]

Whats it depend on?

Like specifically

my mastery is 1171 (87%)

[amber sedge]

3 bonus rolls, 2x vorasius myth, still no myth weapon

i hate it

[old lynx]

do we immediately go into second shadow dance even if sec tech isnt up?

[fathom adder]

any tips/tricks for beloren first time progress that i might not get from the guide?

[tepid trellis]

you cover the last 8 sec of blades with the 2nd dance

[tepid trellis]

pool resources when you are going into the egg phase to do as much dmg as possible

[tepid trellis]

i dont know the actual number off the top of my head

[hallow mortar]

When are logs locked in

I feel in danger

[void ocean]

what happens if we hammer upgrade an item that is like 2/6 Myth, can we continue upgrading it?

[fathom adder]

is only autoattacking to have as much Technique stacks until egg phase a real strategie or a meme?

[hallow mortar]

Its real strategx

[heady garden]

If you’re doing first ball soaks then you can delay blades until about 20-25 seconds in to the fight and blast cds while the adds are up on boss and have blades back up for egg

[hallow mortar]

And it happen naturally since you will end up stopping dmg before push

[supple flower]

You can only hammer upgrade 6/6

[fathom adder]

thanks guys

[tribal blade]

yeah with how much dmg people are doing now very likely you'll end up holding a bit before egg

[hallow mortar]

We holded lot and we are related guild

[tribal blade]

btw focus dmg on the birds, not boss

[hallow mortar]

Relaxed *

[tribal blade]

yeah my guild also not full of giga parsers

and we're still holding

i actually started tricksing our arms warr now instead of tanks so the adds will not get tank threat

or less threat

[hallow mortar]

Its not really issue as rogue

[void ocean]

oh alright, didnt know that, tnx

[solar glen]

Im Stuck on 10 myth crests did i miss something?

[blissful basin]

Hey guys which Upgrade is the way to Go? What do you mean?
Gaze on HC to Save M Crest? Or pump up my crafted Dagger First?
Meinhand Dagger and other Mythic Trinket is in 298

[tribal blade]

it's more so when we need the adds off the boss so they're not under the boss to chill on boss dmg

[hallow mortar]

Its in pins

[hallow mortar]

I got what you mean, but we were doing this and what end up happening is balls hit boss sometimes as there is nobody around boss beside tank

[tribal blade]

ahhh gotcha

[weary tree]

probably crafted uneven amount of items

Or free upgrades

[tribal blade]

what solution did you guys come up with?

[hallow mortar]

We just blasted when adds were present

Which work for me 😄

[tribal blade]

HAHA fair enough yeah

ok yeah i did notice we had orbs hitting boss during those sets

i'll pass it along to my RL

so did people have to adjust their cd timings?

[hallow mortar]

I have yt video at my log, you can do some stuff as rogue with dances in p1

I dont know what others really did

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[hallow mortar]

But we were hard stop after last adds for like 15s

[tribal blade]

cool if i notice it's still an issue i'll tell my RL

[hallow mortar]

But on other hand second p1 we struggled to push boss in time

[tribal blade]

mmm ok, are you sending a blades set during that time?

i haven't looked into what people are doing in P3 since the egg nerf yet

[tribal blade]

oh shit is that you with the rank 1 belo parse

[alpine wraith]

sending cds into birdies is fine if it helps to push

[tribal blade]

ok so from this i'm hearing P1 i full focus dmg into small birds, P3 focus dmg into boss

[lean arch]

can I sim it somehow?

[hallow mortar]

Problem with second p1 is that its mess

So people die and do less dmg

[tribal blade]

ahhhh i see

true yeah P1 everyone is alive

[hallow mortar]

You have two quills at same time

[fossil forge]

@hallow mortar noob didnt give their team the secret full supercharger puzzy b bird go boom in first egg

[hallow mortar]

That's old tech

[fossil forge]

still works though

nocap

[hallow mortar]

Its literary pointless

[fossil forge]

i can afk for 2 min every pull

big stonks for me ?

[hallow mortar]

Unless you start attempting one phasing

[fossil forge]

doubt we can 1phase

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1QV6ow2NLQ

[fossil forge]

we did progress sunday best % was 29

on egg

[alpine wraith]

problem with the supercharger and getting unseens etc ready for egg phase is that

it is not really needed

[hallow mortar]

We are around 30 usually too

[fossil forge]

we are literally behind u in progress lil bro

[alpine wraith]

we got to 35 or so

[fossil forge]

we were even till now i thinkl

:D

[alpine wraith]

then get to p1 v 2 wipe factory

[fossil forge]

u r from zengarden no?

yes

[tepid trellis]

sit all the healers

just bring 1

ez

[fossil forge]

is it the tech

[tepid trellis]

idfk

[alpine wraith]

and 1 tank have a pala taunt

[tepid trellis]

havent played in 2 weeks

[alpine wraith]

then on second tank frontals die

[tribal blade]

WELCOME BACK

no raccoons were harmed while you were gone

[hallow mortar]

We killed too early in second egg phase

[tepid trellis]

tyty

[alpine wraith]

yea if you use blades on cd if you kill too early you dont get a 4th cast

im dreading that

[tribal blade]

pray 1/4 of your raid dies

[tepid trellis]

i have my first reclear sunday

[hallow mortar]

But we managed to push second p1 in time just once

[tepid trellis]

dont think we are doing Lura tho

[hallow mortar]

So no time to safe

Save

[alpine wraith]

no laura

[tribal blade]

huge

[tepid trellis]

cuz 30% of the guild is fcking Norwegian and they are all gone on the 17th

[hallow mortar]

Im crystal carrier on lura

[tepid trellis]

o7

[tribal blade]

i heard bad things about melee carrying crystals

[tepid trellis]

cuz it is bad

[tribal blade]

haha

[fossil forge]

u have to be gigagamer...

[hallow mortar]

I saw this noob doing it, so how hard can it be @ashen ibex

[tepid trellis]

well the issue with doing it

is that you control where you groups is going / standing in p3

you can just hug the boss like a typical melee

and you have to proactively move to soaks

and watch out for people that need help stuck in darkness etc

[hallow mortar]

Im dropping first so I will have just swallow it for little bit

[tepid trellis]

you just need to do 1 set then

[hallow mortar]

We did like 3 pulls yesterday to try kick macros

But im actually excited to do some gaming

[ashen ibex]

First 500 pulls are hard with seed

then you get used to it

[hallow mortar]

I though so

Why did your guild disbanded

[alpine wraith]

back to calling alignments on kil jaeden lvl of ptsd

[ashen ibex]

-30 ranks

is a fair reason

to disband

cant say more than that

im not drama queen

KEK

[hallow mortar]

Make sense

[alpine wraith]

faltering at the end can happen

[hallow mortar]

Maybe you went -30 ranks cos you send rogue on crystals

🤡

[ashen ibex]

Sending rogues on crystals

saying something very obvious

THAT IM NOT GONNA SAY

cause im not drama queen

KEK

[alpine wraith]

my man is sending signals they have dirt on him

[hallow mortar]

It say same signal which is in my guild

[still basalt]

the bonus rolls must be rigged, 3rd week still no company guidon

[hallow mortar]

Same brother

[hollow spear]

Casual is Greek, drama runs in his veins

[still basalt]

sucks man

[hallow mortar]

I voidforged heroic one

[tribal blade]

damn so close to getting some tea split

[hallow mortar]

Just dm him

He is itching to spill some dirt

[tribal blade]

haha

[pine viper]

Do you guys think 2x Myth 6/6 weapons are better than 1x crafted or nah

[alpine wraith]

crafted is usually better

unless you have replacements for the crafted items with good stats

[pine viper]

Think of it like I have myth for every slot

If I replace my crafted weapon I ll craft Arcanoweave cape I guess

[tame notch]

Anyone has tips to improve my uptime on myth paladins? I feel like im walking thr highway getting to them from my soak when there is all this shit on the ground also shadowstep is 50/50 suicide

[hallow mortar]

I have some much crit and don't see way of fixing it

[vale pine]

Tho you can be the drama king

(just joking)

[hallow mortar]

Fuu how i fix my gear

[ashen ibex]

Nah

[vale pine]

Whats wrong with your gear?

[hallow mortar]

The nexus ring broke my stats

[vale pine]

F

[hallow mortar]

I have like infinity crit

Cos both avaible necks are hight crit too

[tame notch]

Use lura neck

And haste pot

[hallow mortar]

Cool how im suppose to get that

[tame notch]

Kill hc lura

[hallow mortar]

Not running hc neck

[tame notch]

Roll neck

[hallow mortar]

Actually gotta sim crafted neck

[tame notch]

Maybe will be better but idk if it fix

[hallow mortar]

That may be option

[tame notch]

Which 2 rings u use?

[hallow mortar]

Nexus

I have 289 set

[tame notch]

Huh

And neck?

[alpine wraith]

nothing 1 taps anymore kinda

[pine viper]

I still use the Hc pvp neck with 2x Myth Nexus rings

[alpine wraith]

just try to be calm about the hammers

and watch the shields

you can stick usually to at least 1 target

[shy ermine]

i use mythic alleria neck with the nexus point rings

[alpine wraith]

save cloak for the initial charge and then if you see something dicey later

[tame notch]

Well my problem is my guild keeps bosses in other soak than mine

[pine viper]

How much bloody haste is that

[alpine wraith]

you should be in a melee soak but it is also fine to just run at the end of the cast

[tame notch]

SO this is time that i am not hitting and then need to get to the bosses

[alpine wraith]

then just plant 2 secs after they explode and watch the hammers

[shy ermine]

685 with 23 fro gems and 16 from 1 weapon oil: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/43036112

next week i craft bracers and finally get the 289 legs from pit

[pine viper]

Damn nice our gear is quite similar actually except for the neck but my guild likes to take Mythic raids slow

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/turalyon/ingerdingus

[tame notch]

Do the cloak is solution

[pine viper]

What do you think? I ll save items for a similar setup

[alpine wraith]

i cloak first explode yea

just wait 1 or so secs in case you get the shield too

so you immune both that and hammers

then step the heal pala

[coral bear]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral bear]

Is deathstalker really better for single target?

Or its simvait

Simbait*

[alpine wraith]

it is a bit better yes

but needs regearing a bit

so most people just stick to trickster

[sterile zenith]

after main hand and trinkets i will upgrade crafted off hand weapon no ?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[void ocean]

well not many options left

[foggy estuary]

Is there a place where 2mythic daggers max updated are better than crafted updated?👀

Have i done goofed?🙃

[random comet]

maybe if you've got 2 other crafted bits with decent embellishments

but normally your crafted 295 with embellish lives in your offhand forever since its a very weak slot

and the extra 3 ilvls on that aren't worth shifting embellishment (if you even can)

[tribal blade]

if you mean you goofed because you sent shards on the wrong dagger it doesn't matter

you can farm them infinitely

[old lynx]

when do we use shadowstrike in aoe for unseen blades?

[tribal blade]

it procs off storm now, so no need

[foggy estuary]

Yh i know that brother thanks, but might not be able to before raid time 🫠 dad has to put baby to sleep, robot had no issues like this

I simed and the sim literally told me to voidforge an offhand hungering victory 🥲

[tribal blade]

ahhh gotcha, yeah that sucks

[tribal blade]

yeah seems like you're not the only one whose sim told them to do that

i think the diff is marginal at best so it's not a big deal

[foggy estuary]

Do i go back to crafted if i dont make it before raid or trust?

[tribal blade]

nah i think just use what you have currently

you do have 2 embels right?

[foggy estuary]

Only crafted belt and daggs everything else myhtic except nexus rings

[tribal blade]

oh ok so with x2 myth daggers you only have 1 embel equipped correct?

[foggy estuary]

Yes

I done goofed brother

[tribal blade]

mmmmm ok

honestly not sure what the play is, might just need to sim and see

[foggy estuary]

Im capped as well + no crests to spend on neck everything else is on myht track

[tribal blade]

yeah do a sim between the embel dagger and myth dagger

[foggy estuary]

I hope it doesnt cost me, we prog dragons tonight and i want to put a good suite on because i dont like to bench on pala 🫠

[tribal blade]

it's not gonna be an enormous deal, embels aren't super strong

i'm curious what your sim will say

wonder if the ilvl on the myth dagger will outscale embel

[foggy estuary]

That was my thought and used the sim to verify

Initially

[tribal blade]

that's weird that the sim preferred you dropping your embel

[foggy estuary]

Ah it is what it is. At least myth gaze and krick dagger are fully up. Ill re sim but ill try and do some dummy prior to raid to verify

[tribal blade]

unless your embel dagger is not 285

[foggy estuary]

It is bro, im not gypso😂

[tribal blade]

hehe cool cool

yeah dw i don't think that'll be a huge make or break with dps

your play will net more/less dps than that

if you want to look good on dragons make sure to line up dances with orbs

[foggy estuary]

On your parse in dragons u only evis when u had proc if im correct otherwisr bp? Im looking at logs need to top tonight :p

[tribal blade]

be very careful about gloom positioning

and get intermission circles/fears out of the raid

[foggy estuary]

Yeah i also seen the blades use as well. Its 2 back to back then wait for intermission then 2 back to back then intermission and can squeeze last blades in end of fight

[tribal blade]

yeah you only really press BP unless you're hitting coup OR you're on the side of 1 dragon soaking a gloom and can't hit the other dragon

[foggy estuary]

Only?

Thats low count compared to logs no?

[tribal blade]

sorry i don't get the question

[foggy estuary]

Main finisher in dragons is bp unless we get proc then evis? Ofc coup gets prio.

Looking at the logs i see 107 casts of bp

[tribal blade]

yeah coup is prio

[foggy estuary]

Compared to 19 evis

[tribal blade]

yeah should be

you'll be evising the intermission add

oh sorry my wording might have been confusing on that explanation

[foggy estuary]

Ah thats why the count on evis, correct correct

[tribal blade]

i meant you MOSTLY hit BP

[foggy estuary]

Yep we figured it out brother❤️

[tribal blade]

hell yeah!

[foggy estuary]

Absolutely insane parse

[tribal blade]

oh mine?

haha ty

[foggy estuary]

Yes sir

[tribal blade]

it helps that a lot of people on my raid team don't do a lot of dmg tbh

that's a big thing about parsing dragons

that's why they removed it from all stars

parsing that fight is legit all about orb dmg

[foggy estuary]

Yeah my guildies are pad horni need to be ULTRA fast on the orbs 😂

[tribal blade]

hahaha

[foggy estuary]

I swear i seen people padding adds on salad prog when he was like sub 7%

[tribal blade]

focus first on the mechanics, dragons is the first step up in mechanical difficulty of the raid

[foggy estuary]

I got tilted af 🫠

Yeah the overlap doesnt look like happy time

[tribal blade]

yeah it's quite easy to die on dragons if you misposition

or kill other people/wipe the raid

[foggy estuary]

I am prepared, like its the only thing i can bring to raid so might as well. Big dam and be prepared. 10/10 class raiding rogue perks

[tribal blade]

oh btw hot tip, if you cloak the intermission circle and you're still on top of people

you will blow them up

if you ever cloak that you need to make sure you're out of the group

[foggy estuary]

I think we will try and have raid prepositioned

Like method did it on race

[tribal blade]

if you want to be in for paladins link your RL tactyck's paladins guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg6qDtLuIRM&t=1256s

here he says the dmg check isn't super serious, and it's worth bringing a rogue even though rogue kinda sucks on the fight

and the dmg check is way less serious now that we're much further into gearing/raid buff than when he posted that

that fight is just a live check, and rogue brings atrophic

[sharp seal]

sometimes in my raid I think those adds on dragons die before they even spawn 😂

[tribal blade]

lol yeah if you have people ready to nuke em it's kinda sad days

[foggy estuary]

Yeah thats why i thought to make a target macro but maybe its suoer min max thing :p

[tribal blade]

sub used to be one of the best specs at sniping add dmg, but not really anymore

[tribal blade]

nah don't sectec the orbs, you lose too much boss dmg

i did that early prog and my boss dmg was so bad

[foggy estuary]

Ok so sectec boss and just bp ss on adds

[tribal blade]

yeah sectec the instant the orbs spawn

and then smash BP

i thought my dmg would be worse doing that, but it got considerably better

prob from not needing to target swap

[foggy estuary]

I trust brother, will report tonight. Hopefully ill make good parse and spread genetic information 🙃

[tribal blade]

hell yeah! smash that boss into the ground

spread the good word of sub rogue

[foggy estuary]

Always, rogue is bis 😍

[sharp seal]

will try myth vanguard on sub tonight, was allowed too previous kills was on arms alt

[amber siren]

Are these mythic parses?

[sharp seal]

yes, myth

[amber siren]

I figured due to the lacking paladins kill

[hallow mortar]

so how do i fix my geaR? i have more crit than mastery 😄
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jrDexL3aT5Ab7SWMYiz6zE

[sharp seal]

we were not able to burst Senn's shield sometimes on progression, and it was trivial with arms

it should be easier with current ilvl anyway

[amber siren]

My guild just downed crown last night how ez is belo with all the nerfs

[hallow mortar]

it still decent hard

need practice

[tribal blade]

one of the harder parts of the fight before was meeting the egg dps check, was very tight

now it's not with +20 secs on egg

so just a mechanics check now mostly

[somber sun]

and keep looking at what color you are

[tribal blade]

lol truee

i actually have my debuffs positioned on my UI where it's easy to see

so i can always check my color w/o moving my eyes too much

[solid lotus]

Can someone help me understand the why of the AA optimisation

[sly shore]

I just added tracking to my player frame

[solid lotus]

I understand how to do it but what’s the gain (I know damage) but idk where it comes from

[sly shore]

so I can see them

[tribal blade]

oh nice mine's set up in the exact same way haha

but yours looks way nicer than mine

[shell hollow]

I think I like it more than sin for myth pals

[rain kernel]

any1 here done shard farm in normal voidspire? how many do u get ? is it worth?

[quaint breach]

1 i think

[peak ice]

Its not guaranteed on normal

the drop rate seems to be like 1/3

[foggy estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/57z2w27i1xTjxfeMAQJ1Mk simc output i was talking about

[tribal blade]

ok yeah it's margin of error

so legit can use either

i would use the higher ilvl dagger for more stam

when you can farm out more shards upgrade the crafted 😉

[peak ice]

85 parse on lura

happy with that

[crystal bone]

lura killed my average, idk how to do better on that fkn windchime of a boss

97-99 everywhere else

might be a kill time angle

[finite hedge]

There's just so few kills even rank 10 is a 92

Just be a worse guild so you can parse against 500 instead of 100

[obsidian crag]

how much haste now with 298 guidon?

[finite hedge]

doesnt change

[obsidian crag]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[obsidian crag]

i believe we can go down to 658, right?

from 684 to 658

[warm marlin]

684 is based on normal dance duration not blades

i didnt look at the numbers but you might want to go a bit higher since 298 guidon might make it feasible to hit the 9.2s breakpoint in blades

if that is even worth it

im sure eleem has looked at it

[hollow spear]

where's the haste gcd table when you need it

we need a chat command, will become relevant for 12.1 soon 😄

[alpine wraith]

i always have it on my sheet but i think eleem also has it somewhere

[hazy breach]

That one includes diminishing returns, which it shouldnt

I have linked another one, but I don't have it on hand

[hazy breach]

I don't think it was worth it but not entirely sure

[warm marlin]

deathstalker hitting the 4th breakpoint though

zamn

ig that already happens huh

[hazy breach]

Ye 5 would be the next one

But idk

[strange chasm]

Wait what is this I haven't been able to get timer back

[sick swift]

Stupid question, if I have 80% mastery, 1% vers, should I use pot of recklessness instead of light's potential for the 70% mastery in exchange for the 1% vers?

[hazy breach]

Generally the agility pot is better for st

But for AOE the mastery pot is usually better

[sick swift]

worddddddd, awesome, thanks for the info 🙂

[sly shore]

combat timer?

[vale pine]

alright, upgrades completed

4/4 done

guess i can upgrade puzzle box next

[surreal orbit]

ive got a question about my parse?

I got a 99 but it says I wasn't locked in... I was definitely locked tf in though?

[vale pine]

takes a bit to be locked in, just wait

haha

[winged shore]

For imperator, running trickster, are you guys picking up PP or staying pure ST? I’ve been running ST on myth but not sure if it’s worth the swap.

Same for myth saladbar. Little guys don’t seem to live long enough for the extra aoe to be worth

[surreal orbit]

I used PP, other rogue didn't here but he also got PI and still closeish

prob better to go ST

[somber sun]

pika

[surreal orbit]

is he good?

was a random heroic speed clear

[somber sun]

I'd say yeah

he is pushing very high for a mostly pvp content player

[winged shore]

I had similar results no pi last myth clear running ST

[crystal bone]

popular streamer, won many pvp tournaments

[dusky yacht]

He can also be seen in Pokemon the original series alongside Ash Ketchup

[mortal bane]

Is Pika good. Never thought I would hear that asked. Multi Glad rogue. Proably the best pvp rogue in the game and yes knows how to PVE

[surreal orbit]

im joking i know pika lol

i joined his group last night for the shards

he was gassing me up felt nice

as a player new to rogue as of like a month ago

[vagrant fossil]

Not to mention that Max describes Pika as having the potential to be a RWF player if he put time into it

[surreal orbit]

https://www.twitch.tv/pikabooirl/clip/AffluentSmellyPoultryFutureMan-cxQkKxRWyPhUeZWi

[crystal bone]

i can't see pika gearing 8 rogues

but maybe i'm wrong

[somber sun]

is there a reason to this ?

usual heroic pug boss (Vaelgor and ezzorak)

only one not counting

[small sleet]

Dragons boss doesn’t count towards all stars because it’s a pad based fight pretty much

[somber sun]

also weird question but do we just button mash during dance windows ?

even doing that, there is a slight delay between abilities everytime

[alpine wraith]

it is not as hard as you think tbh

[sick epoch]

I thought when 285 ilvl achievement is earned u could upgrsde gear for 10 crests not 20?

[alpine wraith]

even when i had 4 rogues 3 warrs and 2 monks it took like 1 week of degen to level them then you do splits etc with guild mostly

you dont really prog with more than 1 or 2 chars

[alpine wraith]

it is kinda fake for main char because slot needs to be high ilvl to get the discount

so unless you did the shuffle with 2 or 3 chars to get discounts here or there it is whatrever

but if you for ex got the achiev with 2 or 3 chars and have diff slots lvled up

you get discount on those

[crystal bone]

gear an alt -> upgrade their rings to 289 for example -> login to main -> upgrade main's rings to 289 at half price

[sick epoch]

My myth track bracers don't get the discount, what do you mean by high ilvl?

[crystal bone]

that is how it works

[alpine wraith]

if your alt had the achiev and myth track wrists at 289

[sick epoch]

Lol