#subtlety

1 messages · Page 906 of 1

placid pivot
#

What’s top 1%

#

All 20s?

twin quartz
#

Nah it’s around 3600 which is mostly 18s and some 17s

fossil forge
twin quartz
#

3660 now? That’s basically resil 18

fossil forge
#

Moving up

twin quartz
#

I’ve noticed the pushing community in NA LFG is a ton more active this season

#

Feels pretty good

fossil forge
#

eu kinda ded

void ocean
#

we kinda have 4 months to go 😄

fossil forge
tribal vortex
#

2.5 more like it

#

season starts on 15/8 approx

void ocean
#

12.1 should be august, no?

tribal vortex
#

yeah it's 3 months to season start

frank wolf
sly shore
#

boys

#

watch this

void ocean
#

any takes on this

void epoch
#

which rogue spec is performing better in m+ between sub and sin?

glass kelp
#

I think sin is kinda pumping right now isn't it. Both are at least good

tame stratus
sullen glen
#

!guidon

wicked joltBOT
#

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

fossil forge
#

any1 knows when timewalkings up

golden totem
#

is feint useful on lura inter ?

#

feels like it doesnt change anything

lucid jackal
#

Inter what

golden totem
#

between P1 and P2

lucid jackal
#

It doesn't work on the lines no

sly shore
#

Unless you're elusiveness

#

I don't think you even need cheat on that boss tbh

golden totem
#

yeah im not an ellusiveness chad

sly shore
#

But I'm too spooked to swap lmao

golden totem
#

yeah

lucid jackal
#

You also don't need elus

golden totem
lucid jackal
#

Vial actually goes so hard on the fight

sly shore
#

Yeah exactly

lucid jackal
golden totem
#

nice ty

sly shore
#

Im taking the least damage in the raid anyway

#

Elusivness would bump that shit down a lot lmao

quaint breach
#

what do you consider a high key is btw? 20+?

latent remnant
#

elusiveness is comfy in keys

sly shore
quaint breach
#

for me its always like 2 above my current best but idk if there is a better way to classify it broadly

latent remnant
#

extra mitigation on buttons helps your healers massively which helps you stay alive, which lets you do more damage

#

👍

trail rover
#

are dreamrift logs just super fked if the guy logging is not in your soakgrp ?

hazy breach
#

yes

#

Happens whenever the person logging is in another realm or more than 100 yards away

alpine wraith
#

also you wont ever parse well because people are going inside twice both times

trail rover
#

hm well gg

latent remnant
#

oh just checked I'm missing a whole 2m damage on the log someone else uploaded from kill on that earlier

#

damn

#

its only me affected though, guessing thats purely the akaari's soul damage

random mason
drifting ether
#

Can always log yourself and update later

latent remnant
hallow mortar
#

any lura crystal carriers gigachads here

somber sun
#

yeah bro what do you need

hallow mortar
#

idk just wanted know if its fine as rogue

#

or is there any major issues

somber sun
#

nah its smooth

#

random question but do you guys wait for the 5 stacks of flawless form before doing the burst opener ?

#

wondering if it is an actual optimization on dps

sly shore
#

no

#

just do opener

#

as instructed

#

you get max stacks by like 4s anyway

#

and basically retain it the entire fight

#

!haste

wicked joltBOT
#

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

placid pivot
#

Is outlaw better for higher keys

kind edge
rocky wasp
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
hazy breach
#

Depends a bit

brisk raptor
#

!aa

wicked joltBOT
#

Apex talent optimization:

  • Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
    If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
weak wagon
#

Hello guys, is there a way/macro that lets us Shadowstep to our selected target + our mouseover target in 1 single macro? As of now this macro requires me to hover over a target with my mouse

image.png
tame terrace
#

[@mousover,...][]

#

it will try for mousepver then target if no mousepver

weak wagon
tame terrace
#

/cast [@mouseover, exists, noharm][] shadowstep

weak wagon
#

mate youre the best, tyvm! Works perfect

solid yacht
#

whats the thing to make the useful addons to pop up?

lilac stag
#

!ui

wicked joltBOT
solid yacht
#

ty

#

also whats the black powder coup de grace macro?

stable dock
#

Do you guys think there is a certain keystone range that Sub starts to do worse than assa?

stray talon
#

With the apex talent optimisation, is it correct to still proc it for a supercharged secret technique or do we not care since it’s bugged/not as good vs apexed coup/evis?

stray talon
wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like wowhead WoWhead or IV Icy Veins.

tribal blade
fringe lava
#

is there a bug right now

#

on my opener's 2nd dance, my sectech is also up. I press the macro for dance sec tech and only sec tech goes off

patent ermine
#

if dance didnt completely end it might seem that way maybe

#

it maybe wont cast that second dance because you have like .5sec remaining of the last one

fringe lava
#

my cdm says dance has ended

#

almost 2 seconds ago

patent ermine
#

no idea, I dont use the macro

fringe lava
#

i casted my 2nd sectech 11 seconds from my first dance, and logs also indicated dance ended 2 seconds before

sage ivy
#

Use guidons one sec before your first dance and ur good

tribal blade
#

you're creating a tighter window during dance without it

fringe lava
#

wait thats not what i meant to link

#

oh wait

#

its the reck

sage ivy
#

its because you use guidon which makes reck give u haste

#

yeah

fringe lava
#

but either way though

#

my 2nd sectech was casted at 13.xxx with macro

#

shouldn't be overlap right?

drifting ether
#

Are you trying to cast your 2nd sec tec inside your first dance window

fringe lava
#

no my sectech just came up same time as my 2nd dance there

solid yacht
#

I got a question, if I had a coup proc up at the same time I have sec tech, should I coup before I cast my sec tec?

drifting ether
drifting ether
fringe lava
solid yacht
hazy lichen
#

are we waiting for damage amp on demiar b4 pressing cds

lilac stag
fiery fog
jade oasis
patent ermine
#

well 8 counting sec tech

#

feel like I consistently do that many without the macro

fringe lava
#

it was my m+ macro that somehow got in there

solid yacht
#

Any youtube videos of high level sub keys? Want to watch some rotations

oak grotto
#

Is No scruples better than Cloud Cover?

tribal blade
#

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogue-needs-to-bring-a-real-raid-buff/2304579 BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD

World of Warcraft Forums
Rogue Needs To Bring A Real Raid Buff

Hi! I’m Prophet and I’m a 4 time 0.1% M+ title holder (retired now though) and CE raider. I’m also a die hard rogue and very active in the sub rogue channel of the rogue discord. I’m not going to create a long wishlist here because I believe 80% of the issues rogues are facing currently can be solved with 1 simple thing- a real raid buf...

#

hit this with a like and comment if you can

#

apparently blizz listens more on PTR forum posts

hollow spear
#

Just because you're tirelessly repeating that you're retired, it won't come true, mate

#

We'll see you in the mines soon enough, Prophet

#

Liked it anyway sub

narrow owl
#

for second boss skyreach, how can I live the beam?

hollow spear
#

Are you playing elusiveness? Not 100% how the beam is coded, but I could see that helping.

random mason
#

Elusiveness + feint or just have a class with better defensives stand in it I'm pretty sure

#

Like you can pop cloak but you dont have that nearly often enough

hollow spear
#

Depending on how high you're pushing you probably get two cloaks during the fight

warm marlin
sullen hare
narrow owl
#

thank you

lilac stag
#

pot + trinket & blades + dance + Sectech are consistent for raid & m+

hollow spear
#

I have a trinket keybind and a pot + trinket keybind (shift mod)

tight fjord
#

I commented with my 2 cents but I agree with your post sir

jade oasis
#

i feel like if we do get a raid buff

#

it’s still going to be

#

poison related

#

so what would we get that’d be good

sullen hare
#

I suggested just putting the parry bug back in lol

#

Instant raid spot

jade oasis
#

weakening poison - make target take ??% more dmg HOLY

lilac stag
jade oasis
tight fjord
#

For the lore? Armor or magic pen: your poisons apply corrosive acid, making enemies take 1.5% damage from all sources

jade oasis
#

does any other class have a crit buff?

tight fjord
#

We used to have crit relates stuff

#

Related*

lilac stag
#

no. and it could cover healers as well

jade oasis
#

that’d work pretty well

lilac stag
#

or do just the crit % and leave atrophic as is

jade oasis
#

the thing is

sullen hare
#

Make it an aura called thick as thieves. Done

jade oasis
#

id want a raid buff that’s an actual aura buff

#

yeah

#

not a debuff

#

like poisons are

#

even if

#

strophic was an aura buff of just 3% dr

#

it’d be so much better

tight fjord
#

Atrphic can do 1.8% damage taken and -1.8% damage done by enemies?

sullen hare
#

It would also give us a meme opportunity for a thicc ass thief discord role

hollow spear
#

To punish us for our demands, they will introduce a 1 hour 2% crit buff that gets triggered once you've kicked a rogue from your raid group

tight fjord
#

Lmao

sullen hare
#

Probably closer to the truth tbh

sage ivy
#

execute dmg % poison would be a cool strong thing

tight fjord
#

Like hunters mark but on the execute range

random mason
plush roost
lilac stag
plush roost
#

What about Death from Above!?

lilac stag
#

and just delete the hero tree entirely. Double win

stoic anchor
#

Yo got a legit question. From a +19 guy to another

#

I did +19 both as sub and as assa

lilac stag
#

We only talk to +20 here

stoic anchor
#

Do u feel like u do more dmg as assa?

#

I feel like i do more aoe(as assa) and less single target(as assa ) than as sub

lilac stag
#

I’m not sure anything is beating sub on boss dmg in keys right now

stoic anchor
#

i did different keys with different group comps so I can't compare them 1 to 1.

#

I also parse waay higher being sub AND i'm waaay tankier i feel

lilac stag
#

This is the sub channel. Just play sub.

stoic anchor
#

Because sub isn't an energy starved bitch and can keep feint up, especially during dance wwaaaaayy better

#

i'm asking, comparing the two

stoic anchor
#

As assa i play cheat death, as sub I play ellusiveness due to the energy profile of the two

#

Saw casual addict do a like 21 think it was maisara but that was with naoh and they do different pulls and play differently than us plebs.

lilac stag
#

Both specs are doing 21s. It doesn’t matter. Play what you enjoy / feel fits your comp better.

brazen stone
#

do u only dance when sec tech is up? i assume after dance sec tech needs to be the next finisher yea?

lilac stag
#

#subtlety-faq

Dance + Sectech. During blades it’s slightly different.

tight fjord
# stoic anchor Do u feel like u do more dmg as assa?

I’m sure it’ll vary from dungeon to dungeon but I made it to the final boss in pit with like 210k overall as subt, compared to pikaboos run with similar pulls he was like 220 with sin but uhh, yea like scath said both work in 21s so, just play what you like. I prefer subt because I don’t wanna work with that puzzle box if I don’t have to

runic gorge
#

My sim keeps saying my h-puzz box is more dps than my h-guidon. Lilsten or ignore?

tight fjord
#

In what

runic gorge
#

5min pw fight

tight fjord
#

Aoe patchwork?

lilac stag
#

or have no mastery

#

You won’t get anything but speculation unless you post your sim

tight fjord
#

Exactly

runic gorge
lilac stag
#

You’re way too crit heavy

#

So it’s likely wanting box to balance it out

tight fjord
#

Check the logs for whatever ppl use on whatever you’re trying to do. But yea if you have too much haste, guidon will probably be low, if u got low mastery, puzzle box will probably be high. And different timing on the fights will affect a 3min trinket a lot on sims

IMG_0089.png
runic gorge
#

yeah, I got big into the game the week before cloudcover change

#

so made a lot of choices on that

tight fjord
#

Do the weekly pvp quest for a 200 mastery neck

#

6 battlegrounds

lilac stag
#

run the training grounds and choose mines if you just want to pve it

tribal blade
#

especially in key pushing

#

lemme tell you, NOBODY cares about stacking DRs in keys

#

some healers yes

#

but the majority of key pushers just care about stacking dmg buffs because of how important dmg is for timing keys

lilac stag
jade oasis
#

send it to blizz HQ now

#

!

jade oasis
#

ever since

#

i’ve had no respect for my healer pugs

hollow spear
#

Your mistake for having respected them beforehand

jade oasis
#

true that

hollow spear
#

I hate weekly keys

#

You're not getting invites

#

Then you're getting one and end up carrying some rat group

runic gorge
jade oasis
tribal blade
tribal blade
fringe lava
fringe lava
crystal atlas
#

Just saw the weaponmaster pin is that only for Deathstalker's? Or both

hazy lichen
#

!fuu

#

!fuu

sullen hare
#

🙁 rip moroes

sullen hare
hazy lichen
#

so we run double finality now for all fights?

#

cause the pin contradicts itself

#

or on aoe do we keep using weaponsmaster

stoic anchor
sullen hare
#

And yes. Just 2/2 finality all the time because weapon master has joined the doodoo pile of broken talents in our tree

hazy lichen
#

kty

stoic anchor
#

Is recklesness potion > light's potential for sub?

jade oasis
#

we like primary stat

stoic anchor
#

Why does it say it is for assa lol xd?

sullen hare
#

Sim it but as long as you're using a potion you're golden

stoic anchor
#

Think so^ too

sullen hare
#

Sim it if you're not sure. You can do one sim with each and compare the numbers

warm marlin
#

some specs like lights pot some like reck

hollow spear
fringe lava
#

bp goes brr

small sleet
stray talon
#

I would’ve thought puzzle box is better than guidon in m+ for the mastery AoE but I guess not since logs of the highest sub rogues in most keys is overwhelmingly gaze+guidon

sullen hare
#

Guidon lines up with CDs and it's great for bosses. Simple as that

small sleet
#

sub st is one of the big benefits, not worth giving up

oak sorrel
#

3min puzzlebox PepePuke

stray talon
#

Makes sense, maybe it depends on the cadence of pulls and specific routes per dungeon but a lot of the time I didn’t find myself using blades on CD anyway and it didn’t feel like a big deal to delay it by 30secs to line up with box especially if you know a big pull is coming up/line up with damage amp phases

hollow spear
#

You could argue holding a handful of times in an organised group, but if you hold blades everytime for box, you're getting 15 casts in a 30 min run instead of 20.

#

That's not peanuts...

sullen hare
#

If you have a push group and you're coordinating cooldowns that one thing

#

It's my opinion that you're overthinking things, which is something that happens a lot here because the spec naturally attracts weird cooks

stray talon
#

Yeh agreed, I’m definitely not delaying every single time, only sometimes but I’ll just try guidon from now on. Hard to compare with always different pulls and routes since I don’t have a consistent group

short radish
#

Just gotta remember theres no real hard rules about m+

vale pine
#

It might be reasonable to do if there is a very big pull, but outside of that, sending is 90% of the time better

short radish
#

Puzzlebox is fine

#

Especially on big massive pulls if you do end up delaying blades

vale pine
#

puzzlebox is a good trinket for immidiate burst

short radish
#

But sometimes you delay blades 20 seconds

#

Which feels really bad

#

Because delaying another 10 seconds isn't the play

#

Which is why I just use guidon now

#

Ecks dee

vale pine
#

You can ask your tank for the route

#

and plan around it

#

(in organised groups, it's hard in random groups)

tribal blade
#

i am definitely a guidon enjoyer

#

less thinky more dpsy

vale pine
#

same

sullen hare
#

I need my 3 button spec to be even less thinky

tribal blade
#

EXACTLY

sullen hare
vale pine
#

you still need to use guidon correct

sullen hare
#

Well yeah

vale pine
#

the trinket is punishing if you forget to:

  • wait the 1 sec
#

or

#
  • want to use it after blades
sullen hare
#

It gets its own key bind, shift c

#

Man I wish I was the bottomless fountain of positivity that mafic is

plush pecan
#

you pop it before blades dont you?

sullen hare
#

In an ideal world we could basically just Swifty macro it all in a particular order but the bugs. The bugs

plush pecan
#

bogue is our new class name 😛

#

bug specialist

sullen hare
#

Instead of rogue it's just rough so people get an idea of how fun it is to play the spec

plush pecan
#

I've seen enough posts on reddit about rough, we might become the first class to ever be removed from the game

hollow spear
#

Guess I gotta embrace the femininity of our class

#

Oiled up chad warrior vs rouged up twink rouge

thorn stream
#

guys with bugfix we must take 2 finality instead weapon master ? in ST

#

i check it but dident understand XD

tribal blade
#

we are taking x2 finality BECAUSE of WM bug

#

no sht generation from WM means it's worse than an extra point in finality

fiery summit
#

i mean unless hes asking what we would take if they hypothetically fixed teh bug lol

thorn stream
#

ty guys got it

vagrant python
#

on 2 target fights, should we be doing single or aoe rotation?

small sleet
#

pit of saron, sub rogue cant even beat destro lock....need buff.....

image.png
small sleet
vagrant python
small sleet
#

np

mild matrix
#

What are some good alternative trinkets for Guidon? I already have a Puzzle Box. I don't raid and mostly do Mythic Plus

small sleet
#

puzzle box is really the best alternative

vestal rain
#

is weaponmaster for st raid still bugged?

void ocean
#

i probably misunderstood smth, but wasnt lust only suppose to affect our sec tech cd, not the dance duration as well?

peak ice
#

what was?

empty bobcat
void ocean
#

dance duration comes from our base haste, not lust, no?

mild matrix
empty bobcat
#

yeah and the problem mainly is that the CD is not synched with our burst window

#

you should use it as a 3min CD

small sleet
#

i dont think box really is all that much stronger in m+

peak ice
#

lust increases haste by 30%

empty bobcat
#

so you have it every 3rd blades window

#

I mean 1st 3rd 5th etc

#

I feel its really only good at the 1st pull

#

and then becomes weird to play

mild matrix
#

Just looking for a good trinket beside it

#

I will stick with Solarflare Prism for now

small sleet
#

really your only option is to pug heroic 1st boss for trinket

void ocean
peak ice
#

deeping shadows increases dance by 150% of haste

small sleet
#

dance duration is not affected by lust

empty bobcat
#

if you lack the haste you could try paw to get to 800

small sleet
#

deepening shadows increases dance by 150% of our haste rating, not our haste %

empty bobcat
#

or gaze + crucible

void ocean
#

but i had like 13 second dances last night in raid

#

on lust

small sleet
#

were you running the first dance on accident

void ocean
#

no

small sleet
#

were you reck potting haste?

#

thats about all that would affect it

void ocean
#

hmm

chrome palm
#

deepening shadows ignores haste dr i believe

void ocean
#

u think if lust is in the opener and i reck pot its gonna give me even more haste

chrome palm
#

so reck pot deepening shadows does something silly

#

no

small sleet
chrome palm
#

guidon will make it proc

void ocean
#

oh shit than thats it

small sleet
#

ye you need to reck pot before you press guidon

void ocean
#

i use that one second while i wait to pop pot

#

god fucking damnit

small sleet
#

but also, in single target, lights potential is most likely better for you, but sim may say otherwise

void ocean
#

i was like wtf is going on why is dance not ending

#

i see like 7 seconds of blades left and my first dance still going on (not the talent)

small sleet
#

lmao

void ocean
#

cause i usually pot boss fight so its kinda whole raid except for paladins

peak ice
#

u talkn about a flask

small sleet
#

in single target lights potential usually sims better, but in 2 target and beyond, reck pot generally starts to sim better

peak ice
#

that pool is killer though if it pops

small sleet
#

id sim yourself to make sure the same lines up for you though

void ocean
#

yea i will try

small sleet
#

the silencing pool is from draught of reckless abandon

void ocean
#

god damn i knew i would hate this haste gaming

small sleet
#

im talkin about potion of recklessness

peak ice
#

ohhhh

#

mb

small sleet
#

or its called draught of rampant abandon

#

but same difference

hollow spear
#

I'm currently running a dungeon slice that compares 22 talent combinations and reckless vs light

#

Plus some gear options

#

Will tell you tomorrow what it told me, once it's done

void ocean
#

btw how do we edit sim to include both potions so i dont need to run 2 sims?

hollow spear
#

Top gear can do it

void ocean
#

how

#

never done it

hollow spear
#

It has food, flasks and pots as options

peak ice
#

click both

hollow spear
#

In the bottom

peak ice
#

at the bottom

void ocean
#

ooh its multiselect

hollow spear
#

Aye

void ocean
#

daym u live and learn

empty bobcat
hollow spear
#

That's new in midnight

void ocean
#

LOOL

peak ice
#

doesnt seem to be any difference in crit or mastery flasks for raid though

void ocean
#

i dead ass never even seen it, just scrolled past

weary tree
peak ice
#

yea true

empty bobcat
#

lights potential sims higher for me even though my mastery is almost 1200 (dungeon slice)

small sleet
#

the higher your mastery is the worse reck pot would sim because it goes heavier into dr

empty bobcat
#

makes sense

small sleet
#

also id sim pots in a static target count, not dungeon slice

#

with dungeon slice you dont really know at what target count its using the pot

empty bobcat
#

like 5 targets 2min?

small sleet
#

i do like 8 or 10 targets for aoe usually

empty bobcat
#

oh ok

small sleet
#

because most aoe pulls where id pot in m+ are at least that target count

empty bobcat
#

sure

weary tree
#

dungeon slice is good for general dungeon simming though

#

If you want to know the effectiveness for an entire dungeon

#

I mean you do bosses too which is a large portion of the dungeon

#

But if you wanna know how good it is for pure AOE, then yes the target count is helpful

small sleet
#

yeah but in the case of potions, you can choose to use either, unlike talents for example

#

i use lights potential if im potting a boss in a key, and reck pot if im potting aoe for example

weary tree
#

Yeah it can't use different people throughout dungeon slice unfortunately\

empty bobcat
#

in 1.5m box should win

hollow spear
#

The difference between reck and light in dungeon slice is quite minor

#

Ig the more ham you go on your pot pulls, the more clearly reck will win out

quick oyster
#

Heyo, comparing logs with the topdogs. I struggle to see the reasoning to why their casts are doing like twice my dmg... Take Saldahaar for example. Toplogs doing 140k average. I manage 94k. I'm having a hard time understanding what the diff is. Comparing buffs and teamcomps there is no much diff, same trinkets etc. No vantus, no pi's etc. Dafuq i'm i doing wrong here lol.

empty bobcat
#

its not pure ST damage, so if you dont pad then 94 seems fine?

#

they probably hold sectec for padding idk

#

on mythic you have more cleave dmg so it makes sense to hold it no?

quick oyster
#

sorry i didnt specify. I'ts with the eviscerate cast only

empty bobcat
#

compare the numbers above to yours maybe

#

if your sectec and powder is much lower you probably dont cleave as much

quick oyster
#

does numbers seems to be somewhat the same, but when you look at the total its like this.

image.png image.png
empty bobcat
#

seams fine?

image.png
quick oyster
#

Yeah, if u look into the specifc dps on the cast its the same. But then i look at the avg cast and avg hit. and they are at 133k and 55 where im at 94 and 40k

#

i dont understand how that works. like whats the diff here

empty bobcat
#

are your screens from your saladbar fight?

#

bc dmg is literally the same 10m

quick oyster
#

ok looking at it, i did 109 cast and he only did 70 so the average makes sense.

empty bobcat
#

😉

quick oyster
#

But then its back to the question, we have same buffs, same comps, same trinkets, no pi's no vantus

#

what causing his hits to deal that amount more.

#

maybe hes holding for more combopoints i assume, even tho i try max it everytime. Maybe im a bit triggerhappy somewhere. Is there anywhere you can see the combopoint in the logs?

empty bobcat
#

ressources

quick oyster
#

you just see the amount gained there right?

empty bobcat
#

well I interpret it like this, if you see "steps" then he built up, if its a straight line he got full CP

#

but it seems like he never spent less than full

#

he spent less than full here

image.png
quick oyster
#

yeee, maybe it's something there. I might need to hold out on the casts. Having it stacked better i guess? Ah man, i dunno. Been playing boomie for the last exp's. But got put into rogue for this mythic prog

#

Comparing the two. first is his, second is mine

image.png image.png
empty bobcat
#

thats a lot of CP wasted it seems

quick oyster
#

Yeee, looks like im a bit triggerhappy in some places

empty bobcat
#

always room to improve for everyone 🙂

#

analyzing and trying to get better is the way to go

quick oyster
#

For sure. Just visualizing like this and having a 2nd opinion is great. I'm just old and bad 😄

hollow spear
#

Saladbar also has an amp, are you sending blades on cd?

obsidian crag
tribal blade
obsidian crag
#

ic

graceful portal
#

Hye guys was wondering if I should plazy with a little less mastery because i play puzzle box

drifting ether
#

Wish me luck ✌️

image.png
grizzled hornet
flint parrot
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
unborn vault
brisk thunder
#

!bugs

wicked joltBOT
tall girder
subtle aspen
#

Sub have higher overall then outlaw?

tribal blade
#

in others not so much

subtle aspen
#

Like in doing well but seems hard to do 180k+ on that ond

#

One

#

As outlaw i mean

tribal blade
#

outlaw will tend to start to fall behind when the pulls become big enough

#

so i'm guessing any very high target count dungeons outlaw isn't gonna be doing amazing in

subtle aspen
#

Paladin 180

empty bobcat
#

did they do anythign to our range or targetting in general? I feel like I am more out of range than usual and sometimes spells like sectec wont cast on button press bc whatever reason

tribal blade
#

if not then nah nothing's changed

tribal blade
empty bobcat
#

hm I feel like its changed from last week but might just be me

tribal blade
#

unless there's some new bug nah nothing's changed

subtle aspen
#

As sub

#

Great?

tribal blade
subtle aspen
#

I dont have the fucking guidon

#

100 lose stats

tribal blade
#

hehe yeah that can make a diff

subtle aspen
#

Tô hast cap

tribal blade
#

i run 700 haste w/ guidon as my setup so i'm usually doing great ST

subtle aspen
tribal blade
#

if you can buy a raid boost

#

if you're not on a raid team

subtle aspen
#

Problem is more dindt drop it

#

Dropped one time a Dk get it

tribal blade
#

damn

subtle aspen
latent remnant
#

guidon is great i pop it purely for the speed buff garf_sit

idle echo
#

does x2 finality affects our stats? do we play more mastery now?

lilac stag
#

doesn’t change stats

tawny river
#

!macros

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like wowhead WoWhead or IV Icy Veins.

solid lotus
#

mines not working

solid lotus
#

i hate it here

image.png
#

2 rogue 2 ret world first

scarlet void
#

This macro :

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

#

Work for u ?

sly shore
#

yes

sly shore
solid lotus
#

2 havoKs 1 dps dk

sly shore
#

havoc also blasts that fight

marble sail
#

i mean its a big problem having that many melees lol

solid lotus
#

the famed 7 melee comp

sly shore
#

we have 2 dk's total too

marble sail
#

tank dosnt count

solid lotus
sly shore
#

intermission probably not fun but it's doable

marble sail
#

alot harder than it has to be

sly shore
#

every other phase it's a zero difference

scarlet void
sly shore
#

because the boss hitbox is humungous

marble sail
#

i mean p1 is just harder for melee, alot more glaive deaths

#

p2 whatever, p3 sort of whatever i guess

sly shore
#

is it?

marble sail
#

yes

sly shore
#

I hard disagree but sure

marble sail
#

ranged is alot easier in p1, u see all glaives way easier

#

ranged do nothing in p1

sly shore
#

the only glaives that suck in p1 are the ones that come from the other side of boss

#

and other than that it's just awareness

solid lotus
#

1 ret goes uh dk and sit the second rogue (not me) for a ranged man

sly shore
#

playing from this pov can see every glaives

image.png
#

it's only when you move and turn that it becomes a problem, but as long as you're aware when moving it's not a problem

#

maybe if you're on 1080p it's problematic, or ur UI is in the way

#

or further zoomed in

marble sail
#

yeah, ranged is exactly the same except they dont have to worry about glaive through boss

#

so as i said, its easier

wispy crystal
#

!gear

lilac stag
#

well UH is ranged so just replace both rogue and a ret. Problem solves itself.

somber sun
vale pine
wicked joltBOT
somber sun
vale pine
thorny prairie
#

hey i see blood malet the Crucible of Erratic Energies is "low" but on some guide is A tier, what do we think of it? (i dont have biss or other yet only alleria one)

vale pine
#

!sheet

wicked joltBOT
hazy breach
vale pine
#

The reason its low is because its a good trinket before you get raid trinkets

hazy breach
#

But typically its better than anything you can farm from m+ or any non-raid source

vale pine
#

it is limited to champion tho, so others get higher item level

thorny prairie
#

okay that why, i know it's a good uptime, thank for response

peak ice
#

Parse 82 on paladins

Less damage than 30 parse dh

vale pine
#

perfectly normal

peak ice
#

so fun lol

hollow spear
#

Playing sub on paladins OMEGAKEKW

peak ice
#

bruh i tried assa and my brain just like

vale pine
#

I think no spec should have a downside like this

peak ice
#

it felt like old cogs trying to move

vale pine
#

but well, it seems like this opinion isn't shared by the dev/balance team

random mason
#

Cant wait for the next rogue rework

peak ice
#

seems real weird ot be like

#

"Sub rogue, yea theyre weak to packs of 2-3 guys"

vale pine
#

sub/sin both had, sub to an higher extend

#

they reworked assassiantion for it

#

and then gave us nimble flurry as a band aid fix

#

now they removed nimble flurry again

random mason
#

Current nimble flurry is a nothing node tbh

shadow lance
peak ice
#

dunno why its 50%

shadow lance
#

Yes

random mason
peak ice
#

oh what

#

i must have glossed over that

random mason
#

Its only coup

#

And builders and AA

peak ice
#

why

random mason
#

Target number shenanigans

peak ice
#

silly

shadow lance
#

Because too much cleave

random mason
#

Evis up to 7 but only with this build and these stats elss evis until 4 etc

#

Wait buioders also arent on nimble

small sleet
#

I’m personally glad they got rid of nimble flurry cleave so that were not forever playing the psychic link tuning game of having our single target affect our aoe

random mason
random mason
tight moss
#

i see some top sub rogue parser in mythic raid on warcraftlog use shuriken storm cast single target opening such as lu’ra and some of them use it very often against vorasius, is it a damage gain or are they just using it to apply weakness? i dont understand

random mason
#

Do they play DS

shadow lance
#

^

tight moss
#

in the summary it says trickster but i’m not sure if it’s accurate

small sleet
#

When activating your second dance in blades, you can’t shadow strike immediately because there’s a delay after gaining dance before it lets you, so the best thing to press is shuriken storm to not lose any gcds. That’s about the only situation I know of where you press it in single target

#

If you link one of the logs I could look at it and see if I know why

tight moss
#

this person had a 100 parse and casted bunch of shuriken storm

#

this person used it only 3 times but not sure why he used it at mythic lu’ra at 15 seconds where there isn’t any adds yet?

torpid heath
#

What is “parse”?

small sleet
#

for the mythic lura log, the termination prism kick things that spawn the adds spawn almost right off the bat of pulling the boss, so he should have multiple targets

tight moss
#

oh mb i only done the heroic one i didnt know the add spawns immediately

small sleet
#

as far as the vorasius one goes, i have no clue honestly. seems like maybe he thinks its more worth it to get the guaranteed crit from shuriken storm for a cold blood proc, but sims say otherwise

#

it would also get you an extra lashe macabre hit for each dance, but again, sims say its not worth so idk

tight moss
#

hmmm is there anyway they pulled the boss w trash mobs to parse? sims says otherwise but he has the highest parse 😭

small sleet
#

nah you cant pull trash into boss

#

he's 288 ilvl which is insanely high at this point, so thats part of it no doubt

red flame
#

So probably the crit thing you were saying is my guess idk

#

Could it have been on parasites too? I didn’t check the times so idk

tight moss
#

no he started using it since the very beginning

hazy breach
tight moss
#

a lot of shuriken cast into the single target

hazy breach
#

Its not a gain, but its not a loss either

#

So why bother

small sleet
#

well there's your answer haha

subtle aspen
#

Its ok to i play with 200 hast? I cannot put hast cap

small sleet
#

really the biggest thing on this log is the fact hes 288 ilvl

tight moss
tight moss
tight moss
hazy breach
#

5 more energy? huh

keen steppe
hazy breach
#

Its the same cost as shadowstrike

#

and 10 more than backstab

tight moss
#

oh i mean 10 more than backstab

hazy breach
#

But that also kinda doesnt matter since 80% of our combo points comes from shadow techniques anyway

tight moss
#

doesn’t shadow strike just do more damage tho? why cast shuriken storm during shadow dance?

tribal blade
#

danse

#

but as eleem said it's neutral so not really much point in going out of your way to do it

wind wing
tight moss
#

i see it now yeah thanks, forgot abt danse he’s probably just alternating to fish it but i dont see a point

tribal blade
#

i think there's value in weaving in storm when you're on 2-3 targets

hazy breach
tribal blade
#

on pure ST i guess if you're going into a dance with low CP (happens sometimes) you can just dance+storm macro to do an instant gcd

tribal blade
#

damn

drifting ether
#

Man it’s so hard to keep uptime in alleria, how are these people getting 200k parse

small sleet
#

you get better at it as you pull the boss, first 10 pulls i felt like i couldnt get abilities off at all

tribal blade
#

but yeah it's more worth losing uptime than picking up debuffs by accident trying to maintain uptime

subtle aspen
#

Its ok to i play low hast on sub?

small sleet
#

the tank and melee dps all need to learn the movement so you arent making it harder on each other

subtle aspen
#

I cannot get hast cap

hazy breach
#

Well if you cant then you cant

#

But its better to get the haste

tribal blade
#

i troubleshot the boss with our tank

drifting ether
#

Ya my brain is still slow in p2 aswell im like aim at the obelisk then do ability’s after

tribal blade
#

he had a fuckton of puddle stacks at first

#

went through a pov with him

small sleet
#

if you get obelisk in p2 you should just aim at the ghost and ignore dpsing honestly

subtle aspen
tribal blade
#

and then after that he had very low

tribal blade
small sleet
#

parsing in that fight is purely based on padding really hard in p1

hazy breach
tribal blade
#

padding P1 is completely out of your control

drifting ether
#

Ya that’s what I been doing aim then do damage after

fiery fog
#

is it worth to dance+storm when im in cds and have 0cp as the blades uptime has 8seconds left?
or just get to full cp without dance and then just dance a second later?

drifting ether
#

There’s not much vods too watch aswell so I can’t see how these higher rogues are doing it

tribal blade
#

no amount of doing a good rotation will beat someone else having more stacks of the debuff on the adds

keen yew
drifting ether
#

Ya p1 is hit or miss if the third add dies to quick I can’t get my full sb off

tribal blade
#

i dunno if dmg counts to that add once it hits 0

keen yew
#

since the nerf, depending on your group, you better be sending cds a lil earlier (around 5-6s) so you have a full recd at 1:30

tribal blade
#

but the push timing should be the same

keen yew
tribal blade
#

damn

#

i think parsing alleria is a meme

#

all that matters is boss dmg in P2-3

#

but even that isn't tight anymore

drifting ether
#

Nah no damage so the nerfs make it less damage

tribal blade
#

so it's chiill

drifting ether
#

Ya just wanna clear the boss 😂

small sleet
drifting ether
#

A lot of the higher ones was from before nerf and cloud cover

hazy breach
#

Since guidon gives you like 1.4s extra dance duration you have enough time for the ~0.2s stance delay anyway

fiery fog
#

oh, good to know that it doesnt matter garf_sit ty

void ocean
#

what do u guys think about crafting legs

#

i rly had no luck with legs so far, 281 ilvl and still champion legs

#

not from delves not from raid not from 10+keys

somber sun
vale pine
#

You can absolutely craft them, but it means spending mythic crests in a slot you likely replace in the near future

void ocean
#

and since atm i have all 5 tier pieces

void ocean
#

i have weapon crafted, ring, neck, boots

#

belt

hazy breach
#

I would generally just not recommend crafting (besides embellishments) now that you can get a bunch of myth track items by bonus rolling

#

Since you "waste" crests by crafting

fossil forge
hazy breach
#

But theyll probably uncap crests in a few weeks anyway

#

So probably doesnt matter

fossil forge
#

@void ocean im rocking crafted legs since like 3rd week

void ocean
#

the thing is atm i dont have mythic gaze nor guidon so my rolls will go to those bosses for a while and none of em drops pants (no pun intended) as a collateral

#

so i could only get mythic pants from vault

#

so thats my dillema, wait for vault or craft it and take bonus rolls from vault instead

fossil forge
#

Not taking any pants from vault unless Valeria pants

tribal blade
hazy breach
#

I wouldnt bonus roll for guidon anyway, theres very little difference between heroic and mythic

#

Even normal

#

Since the haste is kinda whatever, youre mostly just upgrading the passive agility

#

And not a whole lot of people want guidon

tribal blade
#

i actually left my guidon at 279ilvl and upgraded other stuff first

fossil forge
#

Didnt proc

void ocean
#

sims tell me mythic guidon is like +700 dps and mythic gaze is +900ish for me

tribal blade
void ocean
#

i wnted to bonus roll on gaze last night but my roll timed out

#

cause we had gaze in regular roll and untill rl decided who to give it went out

#

and ofc i didnt get the gaze

#

so yea

#

went later to roll for guidon

tribal blade
fossil forge
# tribal blade big!

you know the feeling of consistently popping off entire prog but it dies with purple…

tribal blade
fossil forge
#

Its dead !

#

thats what matters

tribal blade
#

AND it's dead yeah

fossil forge
#

we did egg progress yday 29% best pull after first egg

#

Soon lura jail

void ocean
#

and also today i found out i was fucking up my openers all this time so yea... my raiding (read: parsing) season starts next week xD

fossil forge
#

How boss

somber sun
#

how

void ocean
#

some of u were there this morning 😄

#

i was poping reck pot after guidon

#

had 14 sec dances

fossil forge
#

not even that bad happens to me sometimes too

void ocean
#

i tho it was because of lust and tho i was going mad cause i was sure i read here that lust wont affect dance duration

#

then went to logs and see the buff duration like wtf

lilac stag
#

Macro it to trinket as first line and it’s fine.

fossil forge
#

ive had to add my ancestral call to guidon so I get mastery/crit and not hastexd

void ocean
#

also i regularly keep forgeting prepull dance

fossil forge
#

Exactly

void ocean
fossil forge
#

There is a addon for that surely too

tribal blade
void ocean
#

lights pot can be used in that second while i wait for guidon gcd

lilac stag
void ocean
#

yea, i dont pot in keys, not that high keys yet

lilac stag
#

you’re losing nothing by putting it with the trinket

void ocean
#

only time i ever pot in keys was while i was a prog raider so i end up with fleeting leftovers after the raid 😄

lilac stag
#

Pots are 30g who cares. garf_sit

void ocean
#

yea, if/when i start doing like 15s and above sure

#

everything beneath that feels like sweatlording 😄

lilac stag
#

just say you’re cheap. It’s ok

void ocean
#

poor*

#

i lvled alch just so my flasks last longer

fossil forge
#

not everyone does boosts cuh

void ocean
#

the thing is i didnt even know i will play this season (started 2 weeks after it) so missed the chance to sell a fat token

#

sold one anyway but for the less gold

#

preseason tokens r yuge

lilac stag
void ocean
#

naah, it takes like 25 points for max flask duration

#

u need to get lvl 25 alch to choose spec

lilac stag
void ocean
#

and then just from free points lying around u get enough for max duration

fossil forge
#

So same Timing

elfin hound
#

on lura, is that because of atrophic?

image.png
sly shore
#

YES

#

oops caps

#

the left side is real boss, the right side is a copy

elfin hound
#

why disc?

sly shore
#

because their hero talent doesn't work on the right side

#

because it's not the real boss

fossil forge
#

(At the start when it was actually worth it)

heady dragon
tight fjord
#

As far as upgrading gear, after weapons and trinkets it's still head chest legs? I feel like I keep getting baited into choosing a piece with bigger secondary Stat upgrades. Sometimes even legs helm chest is like +1 mastery on the upgrade and I don't wanna click it 😅

#

Especially with the breakpoint we need I keep choosing secondary stats to get more options in my item setup

radiant swift
#

is the gear upgrade, the 10ilvl, once every month?

hazy breach
#

Nobody knows how frequent it is

#

But its +9 ilvls

#

On weapons and/or trinkets

empty bobcat
#

how happy are we that head piece is our drop in sporefall btw? shoulder would have been slightly better right?

radiant swift
#

as in one upgrade

swift tinsel
#

see the part about Nobody knows how frequent it is

radiant swift
#

oh i tought those two are seperate

#

but i see what u mean

hazy breach
radiant swift
#

wouldnt asume u get 3 right away anyway

swift tinsel
#

could be weekly gated, could be like Manaflux where its random drop from the allotted activities

somber sun
#

nah bro

swift tinsel
#

could come from a quest or some random npc that throws them in your bags

radiant swift
#

that would be crazy no

#

random drop on a 9ilvl upgrade

swift tinsel
#

crazy would be blizzard offering meaningful information

radiant swift
#

however now on second tought

#

its prob not gona be monthly either

#

season aint that long

swift tinsel
#

monthly would be awful

#

if I had to guess it would be weekly

plush roost
#

Surely they dont get 2h users an advantahe

swift tinsel
#

either from your first m+/raid/etc or possibly random with bad luck protection so you're guaranteed one per week or something

#

they gotta make 2h cost 2

plush roost
#

And just make it so you unlock your entire weapon track

swift tinsel
#

or something like getting it on wep applies to both mh and oh

fossil forge
#

we are so back

image.png
swift tinsel
#

bc for shield or off-hand users, those are considered armor slots not weapon slots

#

but still scale either stats or block

#

mh/oh is handled interestingly across the board so who knows how they'll do it

timid rose
#

Easy way would be given two charges. Two handers and trinkets take two charges one handers and shields take one

swift tinsel
#

yeah, that's how I'm hoping they implement it

#

if they don't have it count for both slots

#

idk we'll see ig

plush roost
#

Cant wait to have to choose outlaw or subsin

swift tinsel
#

yerr

plush roost
#

Or even better

swift tinsel
#

its gonna be some bullshit either way lol

#

knowing blizz choices

plush roost
#

Crit haste dagger or versa mast

#

Smile

graceful rock
#

I know how’s it gonna work

#

It’s gonna launch probably at 40% optimal

#

And then get buffed during the week to make it like 75% optimal

plush roost
graceful rock
#

Probably!

#

I can’t believe I basically stole a gaze from John Blizzard

hazy breach
swift tinsel
#

imagine they do some bs where you only get 3

#

for mh and 2x trinkets

graceful rock
#

It’s probably just gonna be like you get 1 per week the rest of the season

swift tinsel
#

yeah likely

warm marlin
swift tinsel
#

our shield users have already said they're going to be tilted off the planet if it doesn't apply to shields

#

if only they had put out any information about costs in the what, month and a half or longer since the initial post

#

who would want that

hazy breach
#

But also it doesnt really matter

lilac stag
warm marlin
#

it kinda matter

hazy breach
#

I meant that they havent posted

lilac stag
#

If you’re not hof before the free ilvl boost are you really hof?

swift tinsel
#

well, it kinda does if there's disparity

warm marlin
lilac stag
#

If your rogue isn’t dedicated enough to swap to DK are you really hof ?

hazy breach
#

I mean not really, youre not like "damn i wish i had played my DK instead had i known it would benefit an extra 0.5% from the free ilvl upgrade this week specifically"

#

If thats even happening

plush roost
warm marlin
#

it's a sensitive subject

plush roost
warm marlin
#

preplanned OT day tonight

#

maybe we are not post 298 weapon noobs

plush roost
#

Oh shiiit

#

My dh isnt saved

#

246 ilvl need a mercenary?

#

:^)

warm marlin
#

👀

plush roost
#

Scarrend really let himself go...

#

Bros fat drinkin bears

#

Sittin on 9 void cores

warm marlin
#

ready for the fotm reroll ofc

plush roost
#

Yeah

warm marlin
#

surely we need atrophic right

plush roost
#

Waiting for the next patch in 4 weeks

#

Oh shit Charrote?!?!

#

Lock in?!?!

warm marlin
#

charrote WICKED

graceful rock
#

I hope last night was my guilds random p1 reprog proc night every guild seems to have

astral axle
#

"the little rogue"

plush roost
#

Respec on the name

astral axle
#

la petit rogue

warm marlin
vale pine
#

⭐ rank 1 lfr subtlety rogue, ama

#

(i am joking, if it isn't obvious)

plush roost
#

Alpha

warm marlin
#

cant wait to get aotc

vale pine
chilly talon
#

!aa

wicked joltBOT
#

Apex talent optimization:

  • Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
    If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
lilac stag
#

@warm marlin I figure out the play. You’re trying to go flex dps. As soon as they allow it, blizzard will announce the mandatory bring rogue raid buff.

deft moss
#

@lilac stag wym we already bring one...were the morale boost for all the people happy to NOT be a rogue XD

#

the "glad im not in your shoes" buff

#

or so ive heard

warm marlin
#

now if they also rework sub

#

less fine

native zodiac
swift tinsel
#

We got our attention for the next year or two so that shouldn’t be an issue

somber sun
#

I mean

#

we got benchd for rfw AND mdi

#

there is no way

swift tinsel
#

Idk I don’t foresee any meaningful change to rogue coming from that

#

I would be happy to be wrong

#

But rogue is not hunter

#

In all likelihood they misunderstand why rogue was so sit-able

#

Or why it hinges so harshly on damage when it comes to m+

foggy thorn
hazy breach
#

That is with an aug, but thats doable with big pulls even without

#

Atleast as a peak

foggy thorn
#

I Play with Aug too an Max 7-800 k in big pulls on +17-18

calm wing
#

what the fuck, how did you get to 1M

foggy thorn
#

Yeah 1M is insane 😂

calm wing
#

Bro might be John Subtlety himself

graceful rock
#

On the p3 knock do I just step anyone in my stack? And does it matter when I do it?

subtle aspen
#

Playing sub in keys?

fossil forge
#

it was 1.1 mil i didnt sc it

#

Triple subjug pull

#

Milly is pretty normal for academy too

graceful osprey
#

In 13.0 we will get the tuning, changes and utility that will make us S+ tier copium
Mandatory for every group and raid

brazen stone
#

do we use recklessness pots or light's potential in high keys as sub

hazy breach
#

In AoE you want to use recklessness for MASTERY

#

IE not after youve pressed guidon, because then youll get haste

#

But for ST you generally want lights potential (although recklessness isnt that far behind, again as long as you dont get haste because then its terrible)

lilac stag
#

macros potions and guidon. put potion as first line. get that mastery.

subtle aspen
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
somber sun
#

and even if we would be S tier

brazen stone
#

question about key logs, how do those work with aug in group? and comp wise. if you want good key logs, i assume i wanna go log runs with full phys comp and every buff yea?

somber sun
#

it would only be for one or two weeks

void ocean
somber sun
#

ik ik

#

yeah true

#

tf happened to the chart

steady osprey
void ocean
#

as Pilav would say... subletly

#

subletily

#

subtily

fossil forge
#

I like playing with dh for bp damage though

steady osprey
#

Does anyone here run TFD for M+? I haven't run it in a long time, but I'm considering taking it for a spin.

void ocean
#

best vid ever

fossil forge
#

I cant say it either i just say sublety

heavy ember
#

so If I am reading it right, we cannot macro trinket/potion onto SB and macro SD with ST because of !aa optimizations? From the looks of it, it is a massive dmg loss if we do?

void ocean
#

but yea, u cant

heavy ember
#

Why not?

void ocean
#

sea turtles...

#

jk, it takes time for the server to figure out ur haste increased

#

about one gcd or a bit less

lilac stag
plush roost
#

I think

#

I begin my sub rogue arc on tueaday

fossil forge
#

Charrend show these noobs

#

We gap law

plush roost
#

Im so mastery starved

#

8(

lilac stag
#

You’re not

undone cliff
#

How is the macro set then? I thought it was guidon and blades together then wait a moment and use dance with sectec macro?

lilac stag
#

you’re just in recovery

fossil forge
#

You need to do the 250haste 1400mast cook

plush roost
#

The beta cook

fossil forge
#

or idk Whats the first breakpoint

void ocean
fossil forge
#

Like around 200 no

plush roost
#

Ye

lilac stag
plush roost
#

I wonder if there is merit to loa worshipping band + all crit gems and omega max mastery

undone cliff
steady osprey
lilac stag
#

imagine having sockets and not spending currency on rerolls.

void ocean
#

imagine doing drunk keys and rolling on bs 😄

#

thats how my first week rolls went

#

got mythic puzzle box tho