subtlety

[dusky yacht]

Lol pp mast uwu

[tribal blade]

yeah i have more mast for sure

now that i think about all that i think losing DM is just not worth

it's so much prio

[hexed wave]

whats the ideal specs of choices all you rogues look for, just had a mage brick my 16 key, i also attempted it at 3 am LOL

[tribal blade]

phys comp specs

warr, shammy, monk, druid

[hexed wave]

love it

[jade oasis]

i haven’t invited a single mage to my key

ever since the incident

[hexed wave]

haha

[tribal blade]

fuck mages

no reason to have them anymore

[jade oasis]

i beat an arcane mage on prio dmg on shard of halkias as outlaw last season and actually haven’t invited a single one since

[hexed wave]

it’s funny I’ve been finally doing 13s, trying to get 3.4, did a 15 academy last week and was proud! turned into a 16 pit lol

i’m so happy I can finally do 13s, so we’ll see, I was top dmg so ez too! Sub is insane

then the key got bricked so ima do better and those comp selections lol

[tribal blade]

how is that even possible

[keen dome]

They're that good

[jade oasis]

my thoughts exactly.

he was

prioritizing the casters

is the actual answer

[tribal blade]

LOL

that's insane

[keen dome]

damn

[tribal blade]

wait why would he even do that

[jade oasis]

mage brain

[tribal blade]

that's crazy

[jade oasis]

[hexed wave]

appreciate it guys ❤️

[grizzled hornet]

it is not unfort, u might think you are blasting it then see the log and you parsed high and then boom same dmg as a green log of a meta class xdd

[tribal blade]

lol very true

i was just surprised it's not doing terrible dmg on paladins anymore

if i can pull 182k on heroic paladins sub is more than capable of being run on mythic now

that's 20k more dps than sin was doing weeks ago as the paladins prog spec

[grizzled hornet]

i tried it this reclear as sub, i legit asked to play the fight as i was benched on it everytime, i actually got rank 1 and did same dmg as a green parse of a dh

its depression

[tribal blade]

yeah that is mega depression

but sub is just not gonna be good on that fight in it's current design state

unfortunate

[grizzled hornet]

we just pray to god on low target cleave, i hope to see changes on next season

[vernal junco]

when you have 2 dances, is it mandatory to get a second st in during sb?

[grizzled hornet]

nothing is mandatory, it is recommended to play this way to max your dps output

during blades, having 2 dances, you should aim to use 2nd dance on the last 8 sec of SB to get sectec benefited from both

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[grizzled hornet]

uhm what was the command...

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[grizzled hornet]

this

[vernal junco]

ok

[earnest crane]

buff sub pls

[weary tree]

Still only like 150k on mythic unfortunately

[tribal blade]

sad

[alpine wraith]

look at these blasters i got to like 130k

[weary tree]

youre just making sure that we get more buffs

[short radish]

@tepid trellis how do you get those reminders (sdance and feint)

is it nsrt?

[weary tree]

yes

Or well NSRT has one of them

[karmic harbor]

i havent figured out how to get it to work with nsrt

brain damaged

[short radish]

same

i'll get it sorted sometime for next next raid

[tribal blade]

iasm net braain dmaaged y

[native zodiac]

could also be timeline reminders

thats what i use atleast and it looks the exact same

[white siren]

So frustrating blizzard still doing nothing on Vanguard fight ... people are still playing 2-3 melee and only take war and DK. Even monk that have better aoe than us are left out.

[idle echo]

are we spending ilvl boost on mh weapon? and there no way i can play outlaw later in season?

[native zodiac]

mh will be the most dps yeah

if you want to play both you could always go trinket/(dagger and put it in offhand for outlaw) first but thats generally less dps for each spec as if you were to upgrade the mainhand

[tribal blade]

one thing i noticed about this tier is there's a big lack of ranged specific mechanics

on top of the fights being mostly very oppressive for melee

that combo makes melee just useless on a lot of fights

[peak ice]

bruh tell me about it

can just skip all voracious shit if u got any rrange

aleria is so fuckn ground heavyu its crazy

[tribal blade]

they could have nerfed alleria early on so the puddle mechanic wasn't so dogshit for melee

but that's not the only reason melee isn't great on that fight

i dunno blizz needs to relearn how to make fights that encourage a balance of melee and ranged

[peak ice]

runnig through a heroic on mage was so brain off, barely have to dodge anything

[tribal blade]

typically what it's like for ranged in keys too

i wish i could find this clip from SL

naohw (tank main) was doing a mechagon junkyard on his MM hunter

and the entire time was going "LOOK AT ALL THOSE MECHANICS I DON'T HAVE TO DODGE"

playing ranged was blowing his mind

at how easy it is compared to melee

[peak ice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTsaJRai24&t=12s

[hazy breach]

[tribal blade]

lol a classic

my favorite is ranged trying to gaslight melee saying they also have a hard time in keys

by going "we have this 1 hard fight in 1 dungeon"

[alpine wraith]

but you know

[peak ice]

which fight

[alpine wraith]

i have to move when theya re casting?

manwhile you in vietnam with 4 frontals 2 floor aoes and mobs getting knocked away and moved from melee

[tribal blade]

usually anything with hectic movement

2nd boss in fall was one for them

[peak ice]

bruh i almost went off on a hunter when he was like "What if melee run out and get the orbs"

[tribal blade]

TRUEEE

[peak ice]

on baloran

[tribal blade]

hahaha

well i have bad news

[peak ice]

bro just fuckn, step to the side

[tribal blade]

that's my job on beloren

i do a bunch of immune soaking

[peak ice]

yea ill do t hat like, around the bird area

he meant the ones like, not near the birds, just vaguely in the distance

[short radish]

yeah but sprocket was a nightmare for ranged so checkmate

some ranged bozo

[tribal blade]

LOL exactly

"we have 1 hard fight"

"therefore ranged is harder"

[short radish]

MEANWHILE

GALLYWIX EXISTS

[tribal blade]

meanwhile THIS TIER EXISTS

[short radish]

meanwhile every tier exists

[tribal blade]

ahh i see

[tribal blade]

precisely

i just don't argue with guildies anymore about it

because there's no arguing with mages

[peak ice]

maybe im just salty to see the hunter get killed by lura glaves

[tribal blade]

and locks

[peak ice]

for like the billionth time

[tribal blade]

hunters are a special breed

emphasis on the word special

[peak ice]

got horse blinders on

[short radish]

stupid mages

[tribal blade]

also mages being able to get around 75% of mechanics with blink

[peak ice]

yeaaaah

[short radish]

sorry I died, didn't have blink up

• mage who didn't have w bound

[peak ice]

was just running a 14 on my frost mage

[idle echo]

thats make no sense idk why they cant empover item slot like they did with tmog

[tribal blade]

LOL

planted and spammed the button

"if i die, i die"

[peak ice]

thats defo devourer atm

what do ou mean move during collapsing star

dead

[tribal blade]

what's gonna happen is we're gonna have a tier that's horrible for ranged

and we will not hear the end of it

[peak ice]

were gonna have like

[tribal blade]

and it'll become "ranged have it worse, remember that 1 raid that 1 time"

[peak ice]

a lot more questions about whats better out of sub or outlaw

[tribal blade]

actually i'm not being fair, there have been tiers that weren't great for ranged

but i'm madge right now

[peak ice]

Id like, not mind if the risk was worth the damage

but they still do more damage

[tribal blade]

yeah and blizz also made the move to make ranged less casty for the most part

like a lot of ranged specs can continue to do their rotation on the move mostly

i still think maybe it would help make things more equal if ranged actually had to hard cast most of their spells

but that's not gonna happen

[peak ice]

frost mage is like 90% procs

[tribal blade]

i'm not up to date with how most ranged specs work

but i've been told they have far less hard casting nowadays

could be fake news i have no idea

[peak ice]

you basically fish for a proc of whatever and then hit 2 other buttons

[tribal blade]

yeah i remember frost having a lot of instant casts when i was messing around with it on remix

[peak ice]

frost kinda plays like old fire mage

[hazy breach]

Varies a lot based on spec

[tribal blade]

makes sense yeah

[peak ice]

and by old i mean dragonflight fire

[hazy breach]

Ele has very little options to do damage while moving

[tribal blade]

THAT i have heard

yes

[peak ice]

dont they insta cast a lot?

or do they have to be still to do that

[tribal blade]

in ascendance yes iirc

outside not?

our ele was asking for that evoker spell thingy on dimmy

uh

spatial?

[hazy breach]

Some afaik, but they cant really delay them

[peak ice]

feel like shaman and hunter are the clases i know leat about

[tribal blade]

i think all casters should have a hard time being perma on the move and doing their rotation

[peak ice]

other than that if theres 2 hunters, ones always goinna be dead

[tribal blade]

that was kinda the meme about hunters before because they had no defensives

now i think they're less like that

[peak ice]

should let them know

[tribal blade]

DF S3 i played with a lot of BMs, they were everywhere

and it was very hit or miss if they would live stuff

some hunters ended up compiling as much avoidance gear as possible because it was a very 1 shotty season

and they couldn't live w/o the avoidance

i think now they have more defensives

[hazy breach]

By the statistics MM hunters are dying less than rogues in raids now

[tribal blade]

lol amazing

AND rogue has a cheat

[hazy breach]

But also those stats show outlaws dying less than sub, which is uh, not kinda sus

Less fotm players = less deaths generally

[tribal blade]

mmm true

what did blizz remove from outlaw

so they removed vanish from restless right

[hazy breach]

Everything tanky

[tribal blade]

did they remove any more of outlaw's tankiness

ahh ok

yeah good

it was way too crazy with outlaw before

i think if outlaw had it's previous tankiness this season

it would be a meta dps possibly

would just never die

[fallow glade]

damn, would be horrible if rogue had any defensiveness

[tribal blade]

rogue is situationally incredibly tanky

or paper

[sharp seal]

Also vers is not the best stat for pirates anymore like many seasons before

[tribal blade]

true yeah

i see them stacking a lot of crit and haste

real question is how did outlaw get gutted defensively and DK didn't

[hazy breach]

Well you see DK did lose a bunch of stuff too

Just that they had so much that it didnt matter that they lost like 10% stamina and a 15% dr

[alpine wraith]

yea that perma dr on the rider of apo

was unreal when i saw it existed

you also had extra ams

[tribal blade]

LOL yup

went from being the tankiest dps by far

to being nerfed to be the tankiest dps by far

[short radish]

unless there is an evoker in the group

[lilac stag]

Weaving in a storm for Danse 🇼

[tribal blade]

i honestly dunno if that makes any sort of meaningful diff lol

[lilac stag]

I do it in keys

[tribal blade]

yeah i might start doing it in keys too

[lilac stag]

but yeah idk

[tribal blade]

i was watching the russian sub earlier

he seems to do it on pure ST too

i'm just curious if i can replicate heroic paladins numbers on mythic

[lilac stag]

I don’t know when the last time anyone looked at lashe

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing prob not

[lilac stag]

kinda like goremaw, just there

[tribal blade]

yeah would be cool if we played around it a bit more

[lilac stag]

if would be hilarious if that generated our cleave.

in some fucked up way

[sinful zephyr]

The next tier set should be a little bit more gameplay altering...looking forward to what they come up with

[tribal blade]

MM imagine if it also hit 1-2 additional targets for reduced dmg or something

i dunno there's a million different ways blizz could go about improving sub's cleave

[hazy breach]

Still seems inconsequential

[tribal blade]

they just need to actually do it

[tribal blade]

i think so yeah

like on 2-3 targets it makes more sense to me weaving in storms

[hazy breach]

Idk I don't think they even should.

[tribal blade]

ohhh interesting how come

[hazy breach]

I think it's fine for the spec to be bad at stuff if it's good at other stuff instead. So I would rather they buff our massive aoe

[tribal blade]

that's a fair point

[hazy breach]

Since assa and outlaw has a bunch of cleave (even though those are kinda weak rn)

[alpine wraith]

they ad some idea on buffing bp but then decided

[short radish]

yeah buff outlaw/assi cleave

[alpine wraith]

hmm no

[short radish]

and make us unga bunga aoe

uncap blackpowder

[tribal blade]

how about if sub became the mass aoe monster of the class and they added banshee's blight for funnel while they were at it

goddamn

[lilac stag]

they could leave the specs as is and just give as an actual buff and we’re in every fight

[tribal blade]

need real raid buff

[lilac stag]

Not saying the individual specs don’t need help & more iterating on, but rogue needs something worth bringing

[tribal blade]

oh shit the PTR forum is up

ok i'm making a post

[keen dome]

[void ocean]

What are we campaigning for

[short radish]

thistle tea to not auto use

the true important stuff

[keen dome]

Raid buff. Poison toggle. Cute hats.

[hazy breach]

I want AoE shiv, and ideally it applies numbing+crippling empowered effects regardless of what im using

Or if they still want it to be ST then super mega buff the empowered poison

Warlocks getting to have -100% casting speed for 12 seconds in aoe and our shiv is -30% on one target for 5 seconds

(i know theirs is 2 min cd and ours is 30s, but still)

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogue-needs-to-bring-a-real-raid-buff/2304579

ok guys

please please please

hit this with a like

[void ocean]

Did we give up on EoN replacing goremaw

[tribal blade]

nah i would love that

but i'm trying to focus on the big picture with this one

i really think just a dmg raid buff would improve rogue QoL a shitton

[keen dome]

Very good post.

[hazy breach]

I wouldnt say no to a dps raid buffs, but im mostly hoping for some utility that feels good in m+.
Like last boss of skyreach i feel insanely useful as a rogue, for once

[keen dome]

Yeah

[dire forum]

also in m+, rogue is in 2nd category , because most people dont know the value of numbing poison, they will ofc prefer monk debuff or battle shout in psy combs

[keen dome]

I think a raid buff is a good starting point, since it's a game-wide improvement

[hazy breach]

And i really liked aoe shiv on araz in manaforge as assa

The -96% slow on all adds were neat

[keen dome]

Curse their "Must have a level 10 character to post" requirement

[void ocean]

When i play a key as assa, slowing down a mob is annoying sometimes cause they tend to take ages when u expect them behind a pillar or smth

[chilly dagger]

Are you back to Sub on Keys or still Sin‘ing😄

[tribal blade]

YES, that and the 3rd boss too

i actually feel so useful

which is cool

[hazy breach]

You dont need to be using the slowing poison

You can remove it and the apply it whenever you want it

[hazy breach]

Im sub

[void ocean]

I usually go cripple and MN in keys

[hazy breach]

Well yeah

But you dont need to have crippling up all the time

If its slowing mobs you dont want it to slow

Just remove it

[fading whale]

No raidbuff beats nimble evis

[void ocean]

From myself?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[void ocean]

That cancels it instantly for affected targets?

[hazy breach]

No

[void ocean]

Oh

[hazy breach]

I meant before a pull where you dont want to slow

[void ocean]

Yea got it

[hazy breach]

or rather, dont apply crippling until a pull where you know you want it

[void ocean]

Was unsure if im unaware of some effect

Hmm when i think about it, not many uses of cripple nowadays, tanks rarely kite

Back when we had necrotic

[lilac stag]

Our current utility is so good we’re sat on a healing fight that needs it. Raids / m+ only care about dmg/healing boosts. m+ wants a lust and likely a res. I don’t see them giving us lust or res, so make it a worthwhile raid buff that can have some carry over to keys.

[fading whale]

or just make us pump

[lilac stag]

that doesn’t work out

not when dk with zero utility can pump, grip and res

[fading whale]

thats the problem

make them choose between utility and damage when making a comp

[lilac stag]

as soon as rogue starts showing up at the top of the charts, it gets tuned

[hazy breach]

[void ocean]

What do u mean dk with 0 utility 🥺

[lilac stag]

sarcasm

[void ocean]

That was sarcasm i guess 😂

Oh

[void ocean]

Lmao

[lilac stag]

grass always greener.

Apparently 2x DKs in a key isn’t enough

[lilac stag]

and they’ll choose utility+dmg since that’s what’s going to ultimately be needed for pushing.

[void ocean]

Imagine poping cos for 3 out of 5 ppl in key every 45 sec

[fading whale]

because one class can have all of it

[lilac stag]

We technically pump now. How those LFG times working out.

[tribal blade]

low utility is actually gaslighting holy shit lol

grips are so incredibly strong in keys

[void ocean]

Amz, blinding sleet

[somber sun]

Well

[fading whale]

bruh dk can soak every mechanic

[void ocean]

3xams

[somber sun]

No dk I got in with uses them

[fading whale]

second boss skyreach

with no jugling u dead with rog

make us glasscanon if its gonna be like that

[lilac stag]

you clearly don’t see how tuning works if you think they’d let that happen

[fading whale]

nah u dont get what im saying

[lilac stag]

or intentionally do it

I do. You’re just not seeing reality in that it won’t happen or work as you’re thinking it will.

[fading whale]

im arguing that its normal tuning not that they would do it

that some classes have more uti some just do more dmg

i know that they wont do shit im just spitting my thoughts

[lilac stag]

What class has less utility right now than rogue?

[fading whale]

what does that have to do with anything

[lilac stag]

follow along.

what class has less utility than rogue?

[fading whale]

idk whats ur point

[lilac stag]

answer and I’ll share

[fading whale]

we are not on the same track

ik just by u asking me that

lol

[lilac stag]

if you don’t know that’s fine.

[fading whale]

what are you even saying

[lilac stag]

I asked you a question. You’re just not answering it. It’s a thought exercise.

it related to what you want to happen

[fading whale]

i dont want anything to happen

[lilac stag]

Sounds good

[fading whale]

u clearly didnt understand what i was saying

the ultimate point is that not every class needs to have utlity it can be satisfied with being better at doing dmg as an compesation

[tribal blade]

but that's not how blizz tunes the game

[fading whale]

exactly my point

[tribal blade]

ah ok maybe i wasn't following right

[lilac stag]

Then why are you wanting us to be tuned like a glass cannon.

[tribal blade]

i stepped in the sin channel for 5 seconds and i regret everything

[fading whale]

well if u dont have util nor raidbuffs why is being glasscanon bad

would rather manage cooldowns and slay shit than cc slow and silence

[lilac stag]

because every class in the game has more utility than rogue, and tuning will never be intentionally outside of the +/- 5% swing they seeming aim for.

this is why we sit in LFG

[fading whale]

exactlyy

exactlyyyyyyyyy

[earnest crane]

isnt self care is one of rogue utilitys?

[lilac stag]

No. bleeding out to rot dmg is.

[fading whale]

the only thing i wish for is nimble evis

rest idrc

[earnest crane]

u are right but u can reduce all dmg pretty much arround 60%

10% with fade to nothing 20% feint 20% evasion even bleed doesnt hit u that much and there is not much bleed effect mechanic in game

[hazy breach]

I mean all of those are a 43% damage reduction

Not 60%

[earnest crane]

u have some avoidanc for sure on some gears

[hazy breach]

Which doesnt work

[earnest crane]

and even 43% is not a low number

[hazy breach]

If feint doesnt work, avoidance doesnt work

[earnest crane]

and the uptime is high

[hazy breach]

Generally if feint doesnt work on something, rogue is squishy against it, even with elusiveness

[fading whale]

yeah dots suck

[hazy breach]

Becuase most other classes have 10-15% passive dr or more health

[tribal blade]

rogue is situationally tanky

if feint doesn't work rogue becomes pretty damn squishy

[earnest crane]

feint is the most OP defensive in game

free to use effect alot

[hazy breach]

Id argue ams is better

But yes feint is very good

[void ocean]

Do u guys play cheat or elusi

In keys

[earnest crane]

elusive in high keys

[tribal blade]

no arguing feint is very good

[sinful zephyr]

my healer wants elusiveness, so that one

[tribal blade]

i just always play elu because it's required in high keys

[void ocean]

Aye

[tribal blade]

unless all the dmg in keys are aoe coded

but i don't think we have 1 of those this season

[lilac stag]

But what if we were glass cannons?

[tribal blade]

i don't wanna die

[lilac stag]

weird

[fading whale]

u are already glass just not cannon

[lilac stag]

Sub is not glass.

[earnest crane]

i want old acrobatic Talent back that was kinda Defensive 😄

[fading whale]

[tribal blade]

people think sub is glass because we have low hp tbh

i suspect

but whenever i look at overall dmg taken

i'm always lowest in keys

[lilac stag]

yep

don’t mind the defensives in the sub tree

[earnest crane]

yea and sub rogue movement while doing dmg is one of the reasons most of the time u can move with 0 negetive effect on dps

[fading whale]

bcz u getting dispelled first for a reason

[tribal blade]

huh

no

[lilac stag]

[tribal blade]

it's from fade to nothing uptime

me using vanish a lot to negate stuff

feint

[raw frost]

guys

[tribal blade]

everything piled up

[raw frost]

do you use guidon for m+

or just raid ST

[earnest crane]

nah its not vanish its cuz u have insane dance uptime 😄

[raw frost]

ok

understandable xd

[tribal blade]

lol probably yeah

but vanish/meld has been pretty good this season for negating dmg

it's always good

[lilac stag]

run a key as assa and get back to me how tanky sub isn’t

[earnest crane]

meld is OP this season u can run from bats in Pit from The robots in MT form the fixate add in NPX

[tribal blade]

the circle debuff on left side of nexus you can vanish off

you can meld/vanish off the chains AND leech on 1st pull of seat

[earnest crane]

yea

Meld is BIS this season

[tribal blade]

you can vanish/meld the bleeds from the mobs after 1st boss in MT that absolutely truck

[tribal blade]

i think stoneform might be a bit stronger tbh

but yeah meld is very good too

[earnest crane]

u can sometimes use it to gain master of shadows too

[tribal blade]

AND force TFD 😉

[raw frost]

when do you use guidon and is it on macro or manually xd

[tribal blade]

always manually

1 second before dance and cds

[raw frost]

so shadow strike from stealth guidon shadow blades and dance so on

[tribal blade]

yeah

[raw frost]

ok

[tribal blade]

you can look at your guidon cd

wait for it to go from 30>29

blast

everything

[solemn patrol]

gonna test dark brew in a 17 wish me luck bois

[tribal blade]

GL let me know how it goes

[earnest crane]

I thought we dont play it anymore

[tribal blade]

you can if you want

[earnest crane]

nah that thing will ruin my rotatin

[tribal blade]

i'm not gonna run it anymore

it tilts me

[earnest crane]

i was happy not playing it

[tribal blade]

yeah it's completely fine not playing TFD

[upper narwhal]

surely you want potent powder with dark brew

[tribal blade]

you can't get it

[upper narwhal]

not sure where you would drop a point

[tribal blade]

sadly

[upper narwhal]

yeah

[small sleet]

that talent tree physically hurts me

[tribal blade]

he's the canary in the coal mine

[drifting ether]

Ended up uploading the vod, might do boss ones as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbYo-PhgxPI

[earnest crane]

imagine an spec based on Shadow theme cant play a shadow dmg talent 😄

[tribal blade]

can't watch it right now, prob tomorrow

but nice

[solemn patrol]

it theoretically sims within 1% of the normal build

[small sleet]

i believe the sim is telling you lies

[solemn patrol]

one way to find out

[drifting ether]

Yessir thought, might awell upload some vods of when i play

[earnest crane]

why there is no 4k IO sub rogue 🙁

[tribal blade]

there will be soon

[earnest crane]

all of them are outlaw

[tribal blade]

the russian sub is 30 points away

he'll get there

he's very good

[fossil forge]

@warm marlin can you send burn phase dmg on egg

also i forgot to ask since u go puzzy do u get to 800haste?

[earnest crane]

if we just got this buffs with no cloud change 🙁

[tribal blade]

i think sub is pretty decent now

naohw put it in A tier on his latest tier list

tierlists kinda a meme, but it being up there means it can hang

[earnest crane]

the problem is its A one everything

not a Singel S point

[alpine wraith]

now burn dps is lower because it lasts 10 secs longer but total damage is still decent

[tribal blade]

being in A tier is great

[alpine wraith]

think i can still do 200-220k

[tribal blade]

no chance of getting nerfed

and playable in high keys

[leaden prairie]

i think sub is just as good as outlaw btw

dare i say maybe better

[earnest crane]

they are nerfing DK and DH every week but still nothing change 😄

[fossil forge]

where are we on the petkotierlist scale

[leaden prairie]

i saw casual do some sub keys and he kinda gaps my outlaw

tho sub doesnt have prio so

there is that

[alpine wraith]

sub is a bit worse than warr

and well no group buff but st is good

[fossil forge]

warr is kinda gaming rn

[leaden prairie]

i mean arms might be one of the best spec in the game rn so idk

cant really compare

[alpine wraith]

so if group needs that more it is good

[tribal blade]

haha i have no idea, i just saw the naohw one randomly

[alpine wraith]

isnt dk better than arms?

or well arms is + buff i guess

same with devo dh

[leaden prairie]

arms bring a raid buff

[alpine wraith]

but they play diff comps

[tribal blade]

yeah arms is slamming

[leaden prairie]

you need to play around arms tho

but idk

dk is also very op ye

to me the best comp should be playing dk arms

but no one playing arms still

[alpine wraith]

i dont know enough about comps to talk that much but yea

[solemn patrol]

imagine not wanting 18 different rotational keybinds

[alpine wraith]

what would 3rd dps be on that one

[leaden prairie]

no clue

[alpine wraith]

druid to have shaman heal

[tribal blade]

the funny thing about DK is they got nerfed, but all they need to do is go into phys comp and they're back to doing the dps they were doing prenerf

[leaden prairie]

ye but druid tank op now

ye

[alpine wraith]

ah true they changed to the moonbeart

that is immortal

and almost same overall

just less burst

[tribal blade]

yeah thrash bear is insane

[alpine wraith]

so maybe monk

dps and shaman heal

or the other way around

[tribal blade]

monk and druid tank/heal roles literally swapping around

from brew+rdruid

to bear+MW

kinda funny to see

[leaden prairie]

you cant have dps monk so idk

i feel like shaman healer could be played

[alpine wraith]

so dps shaman it is

[tribal blade]

i hear MW is the best healer right now

[opal basalt]

Enhance + mw

[leaden prairie]

and you just play without monk buff

[alpine wraith]

maybe feral is the play

[earnest crane]

Guardian druid resto shaman war rogue/hunter this is the only way u can say war is better than dk i dk comp for being better is diffrent

[opal basalt]

Just because I like enhancer more than ele

[alpine wraith]

and brew + shaman hea

[leaden prairie]

i guess there is always this posibility but i dont think druid buff matters at all

its the worse raid buff

[alpine wraith]

weird it was the better one last time i checked

but i guess many specs have shaman up there too

now not just rogue

[leaden prairie]

well not for phys comps

its the one that gives the least dps

for mage comps its arguable

since their raid buffs are 3 % or whatever

but sham buff is way better anywya

for arms /dk

[tribal blade]

yeah i try not to do keys unless there's a shammy in the group

[solemn patrol]

mastery for outlaw

[leaden prairie]

i mean

its just totem

[tribal blade]

bring back wod combat mastery

that scaled

[solemn patrol]

i just wish outlaw mastery didnt feel so shit

[tribal blade]

the reason it's so shit

is because it was cracked before

and then blizz GUTTED it

[alpine wraith]

i had a mastery set in mop

[solemn patrol]

at least make it so its not a dead stat

[alpine wraith]

gauche went hard

[tribal blade]

it used to work off % chance to hit

so if you had more mastery

it hit more and harder

was quite strong

[alpine wraith]

it didnt hit harder

only more often

[opal basalt]

Don’t you think it’s weird when a mastery doesn’t really fit the spec? Like outlaw mastery feels that way

[tribal blade]

oh i'm misremembering then

mb

[leaden prairie]

i kinda hate outlaw mastery

to me if its a good stat

[tribal blade]

yeah it's dumb now

[leaden prairie]

its like having melees doing damage

i dont want it ?

[tribal blade]

needs a complete rework

[solemn patrol]

who remembers SoD when auto attacks did 30% of your damage and dom shards did another 30%

good times

[leaden prairie]

i mean most masteries are boring but i could see something that just scaled gun damage

would be at least a bit in the theme

[tribal blade]

i'd be down for that

[opal basalt]

Yeah like assa mastery is bleeds, sub mastery is finishers

Outlaw rogue mastery going for pistol-based dmg

Sounds good

[solemn patrol]

"mastery increases all pirate based damage by x %"

[leaden prairie]

pirate damage

[opal basalt]

Like pistol shot, bte and ks dmg

[tribal blade]

holy shit mastery affecting RTB roll chance???

i dunno if that would be cursed

[leaden prairie]

ye but stats affecting gameplay

feels so bad to me

[tribal blade]

true

[leaden prairie]

im still so mad haste does something for outlaw

every season we have to sufer

starting at low haste

[opal basalt]

Give us mast vers sub back

[tribal blade]

lol sub also suffering a bit with that atm

[earnest crane]

get more mastery for more jackpot

[tribal blade]

doing sims as sub right now

is mega pain

haste has made everyhing complicated

[opal basalt]

I lowkey just feelycraft sub stats now

[leaden prairie]

same shit for law

cant sim

its so cool !

[opal basalt]

Get 700+ haste and even split of crit/mast

[tribal blade]

oh you're in the same boat damn

feelsbad

[leaden prairie]

well ye

we have the exact same principle

kidna

[tribal blade]

ohhhh ok

i thought only sub did

[leaden prairie]

haste is like best stat in the game till x

and then it falls off super hard

[tribal blade]

MMM ok

[opal basalt]

But does your sim also want less haste than you do irl

[leaden prairie]

no

but haste also helps energy

and we have this weird thing this season

where outlaw is starved with energy

but not really

and tea is very frontloaded

and sims are short

even slice is 6 min

so if you sim a long sim like dungeon route

which is more like 30min

[tepid trellis]

On vacay so sorry for late response but its timeline reminders

[leaden prairie]

haste gains value

cause then there is less tea

know what i mean

so weird !

hate it !

[mighty citrus]

does finality actually affect coup too?

[opal basalt]

Kinda why I just swapped to assa lol

Gearing is simpler

[opal basalt]

Easy way to test, no? Do one coup with and one without finality on dummies

[steady osprey]

Yes, as far as I know

[stable dock]

How do you set up sims to find out what you should put your crests into and or what I should craft with 80 crests?
can a sim find this out?

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

You can upgrade items in topgear

[short radish]

thank you. hope you are enjoying your vacation (where are you at)

[stable dock]

AH ok ty

[lilac stag]

You can put them in NSRT note as well

[limber folio]

it cant be this easy to die in skyreach :( timer doesnt matter since its always inaccurate

[glacial cloak]

Howdy lads, anyone know how much of a dps loss would it be to macro shadow dance and Secret Technique together? with an opener being shadowstrike, blades,dance, technique?

[opal basalt]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[opal basalt]

As you see

[alpine wraith]

you do macro dance and sec tech

[opal basalt]

It’s recommended to play with that macro

[glacial cloak]

i thought the min max rotation was to dance, blades then technique

was just curious how minimal the loss was if any

[tepid trellis]

Rome

[short radish]

sounds relaxing

[fossil forge]

roaming in rome

[sick epoch]

Lol I just read, bb wm hello finality 2/2

[heavy ember]

is dungeon slice okay to sim for m+? I didn't see anything about sims in the faq

[alpine wraith]

yea but only to try and see what gear is better

not as a baseline for the dps you would do

[heavy ember]

Right, okay. Thanks

[worldly root]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

#outlaw afaik you are only able to see the roll count

[final rain]

ty

[brazen stone]

do sub rogues use less haste and more crit mast in keys? or do the key sub rogues all run 18% haste too. for 20/21s

and would u play a diff gearset for mag terrace since u get the 5% haste for the entire run anyway

[steel zinc]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[steel zinc]

^

[brazen stone]

i see, i was just curious cuz some of these top sub rogues have like 11% haste and playing puzzle box

which i thought seemed odd

[fleet acorn]

Anyone was on the Point what to pick between dwarf and nightelf racial for m+ push I cant decide

I like both Looks
I’m thinking dwarf is maybe good for skyreach bleeds or Maisara
Nightelf for skips reseting gargoyle or beams

Need some advice

[somber sun]

may I suggest pandaren

[plush roost]

For m+ just play dwarf

If youre pushing high

[fleet acorn]

Im sadly a anti panda

[plush roost]

This is an insane dwarf season

[hazy breach]

Yeah high m+ is almost always dwarf, sometimes nelf

[plush roost]

Im swapping tmrw

[lilac stag]

sir I think your confused dwarf with DK

[plush roost]

Dk overrated i cba

[fleet acorn]

Oki ty

[hazy breach]

But i must not waste the opportunity to play panda

[fleet acorn]

Then I Go dwarf

[hazy breach]

I shall remain chubby until im forced to swap

[lilac stag]

isn’t panda BiS first season every Expansion?

[hazy breach]

Not really

Food sucked in tww

[lilac stag]

oh that’s right. The food was garbo

[hazy breach]

It just all depends on how they tune the food buffs, and i dont think it was particularly strong in DF either

[hazy breach]

So many bleeds bro

Why are there so many bleeds

[lilac stag]

just to let rogues rot out

[hazy breach]

Leech maxxing to hopefully not just tick down

atleast during cds

[lilac stag]

my beloved speed

[plush roost]

Seat of the i wanna jump off a bridgeverate

[hazy breach]

Seat also has a 3 target cleave boss, love that as sub

[void ocean]

my god whoever killed Chima in mythic pug deserves like double achievement, or at least guaranteed gaze

2 weeks of 100% shitfuckery every grp

no matter how "CE only, bring exp" it is

[cursive tundra]

i'm still having such a blast

[cursive tundra]

rule number 1 of mythic raid pugging is

either do it wednesday

or just skip

[hallow mortar]

guys so im like bored so i decided to explore wordl outside my weekly 10

and this this intime cavers 15+

[void ocean]

dunno, in prior seasons i usully saved it for the weekend

[hallow mortar]

and seat 15++

[desert whale]

Sv hunter is stronk also

[void ocean]

but this time my gawd

[hallow mortar]

really akward world m+

[warm marlin]

rogue always go dwarf

U already have nelf racial

what u need another one for

Nelf is pretty good this season though icl

[hazy breach]

Yepyep

Also ive gotten so used to perma tricks that ive forgotten how insanely annoying it is to play without it when playing an alt

[desert whale]

Used to rotation while leveling, and than apex talent appeared with proc xd

[grand summit]

is it 600 or 700 haste with guidonm

[somber sun]

700

[kind edge]

i wish that was by default. paying a node for that is sad

i liked when tricks increased damage by 5%, after the first, that times when more than 1 rogue in raid was a thing, we was trading tricks with each other

[fossil forge]

skyreach 18 with 💀

[vivid spindle]

Killed it twice, SOMEHOW. Im trying with my mage nearly everyday.. its impossible

[somber sun]

you need to look for semi guild runs bro

[void ocean]

did those too

[surreal orbit]

it does give guaranteed gaze, at least for me it did

[somber sun]

bonus roll ?

[surreal orbit]

nope natty rolled like a 94 and won that bihh

[somber sun]

[surreal orbit]

and i topped the fight

and i parsed an 88 with like 278 ilvl

[void ocean]

i got mine from the vault on dk but nevertheless wanted to kill for 2-kill vault

[warm marlin]

my first pug m chim i lost gaze on a 3 way tie at 99

[surreal orbit]

i earned that one xD

[void ocean]

let me guess, u werent group 1 😄

[hallow mortar]

anyone have this weird bug that after logging in to game, i got like weird red tint ? it happening only on my rogue :D:D

[brazen stone]

Which spec is best with melee comp, outlaw or sub and how far apart do we think they are

For 20+ keys

[surreal orbit]

😎

[earnest crane]

the spec that u play better with

[brazen stone]

hypothetically if u play both at skill cap level, is there 1 thats above the other? For melee comp specifically

[nova cairn]

What's a good replacement for aleria neck

[warm marlin]

pvp neck from the questline or pit neck

[earnest crane]

they are both A Tier and the dmg is pretty the same and close to each other

[spare tangle]

Hm, I just ran a quick sim of my character and had a look at the log. Is there a point to spamming backstabs before going into 2nd SB of the pull to get a lot of shadow techniques stored? havent really seen anything anywhere in this regard 😅

[lusty narwhal]

yes, do this 🙂

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message
Bottom one in this message

[spare tangle]

Also a shuriken storm, which I assume is for the guaranteed crit

[somber sun]

is it an actual thing you can do ??

or is this ds

[spare tangle]

oh, I see it in the faq, must have missed it.

This is trickster

With regular ST build

[hazy breach]

It sometimes enters on low cp during the latter half of blades yes, at which point you can storm macro if you want

But as guidon leaves you with enough haste to tank the delay inbetween dance and strike anyway

It doesnt matter

[spare tangle]

I've never really used it for ST purposes. I was just curious when going through the actual ability log

Thought I was going assa for the luls, and then I see a sim of 94k vs 105k, guess I am sticking to sub lol

[hazy breach]

Try to get 1.1k haste and swap to deathstalker if you want ST dps

[spare tangle]

Hm aight, I can barely get 950 rn

[somber sun]

with cosmos neck ?

[spare tangle]

I havent gotten Cosmos on HC yet tbh 😄

[fossil forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nGLvm5ASzwQEXQGiUzjw7N

never getting to 120...

[somber sun]

boo

need to wait for 298 main hand

also how

Im simming more than you with lower ilevel

[fossil forge]

Idk brah you tell me

[somber sun]

how much crit broski ?

[spare tangle]

But there a few fun examples in the logs where they also send Guidon with dance rather than prior to it. And also blades with no dances 😄

It might be how it goes in the perfect world, but idk, I couldnt do it

[fossil forge]

840 crit
708haste
921mast

with haste flask +1 oil and 1 adamantite sharpening stone

[spare tangle]

Is that tech? To go sharpening stone

[hazy breach]

Well thats because the fight is ending, so why hold blades

[lusty narwhal]

does the sim account for the "timing bug" when pressing dance too fast after guidon and the haste bonus not getting applied?

[fossil forge]

apparently its 0.8%

[hazy breach]

It does not, because it does not matter in the sim

[fossil forge]

idk the story about it

[spare tangle]

I guess

[fossil forge]

eleem is the expert

[hazy breach]

All of these things are why reading the sim log as a guide is not a good idea

Theres edge cases that happens all the time

That does not matter in practice

[spare tangle]

Well, I guess thats why I read it and ask. But I guess ill try the sharpening stone to see

[lusty narwhal]

but its a good way to see if you understand the spec no? if you find inconsistencies between what the sim does and your understanding of the spec you can learn something new

[hazy breach]

Well why not read the guides instead

[brazen stone]

Oh is this a thing? I have guidon macro’d with blades, so if i pop blades+ guidon and then dance right after, that’s fine or?

[somber sun]

863 crit / 876 mast with flask and double oil

weird ngl

[brazen stone]

or should i not macro them

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[fossil forge]

i probably just sim like a low iq citizen.

i log ok

[somber sun]

i saw that btw

[fossil forge]

wtf talon gaming?

[somber sun]

always bro

[fossil forge]

i am a big talon enthusiast

[somber sun]

[fossil forge]

talon mid though

[somber sun]

ofc

[fossil forge]

ok u da boss

real gamer not jg impostor

[somber sun]

jg is just meta abusing

[warm marlin]

on most pulls it was around 300k first egg

but like now its 40s and smoke bomb nerfed

[fossil forge]

i am already in raid so it is too late for 800haste,,

[warm marlin]

meh i didnt play 800

maybe i should have

you dont need the sectec cdr on first burn anyway with lust

[fossil forge]

i will send progress.

i am puzzyb turbochargermaxxing

[mossy cradle]

is it important what weapon enchantment is in which hand?

[wild vine]

no

[amber berry]

Is there an addon to make the Apex Sub rogue black bars darker to be more visable ? Would really appreciate if any1 knows. I've noticed when i watch Shindigg ( on youtube ) his black bars are very dark and easier to see

[warm marlin]

spell alert opacity in settings

if its already 100 then im not sure you can make it brighter

[somber sun]

is there a way to change the color btw ?

[warm marlin]

no stuck with awful black

[fossil forge]

yikes

[somber sun]

crazy we lost wa

for this

[amber berry]

Absolute legend ty

[warm marlin]

meh you can make it a cdm buff now

[shrewd lantern]

mine just default got tracked in cdm

one day

I don't pay attention to it though i just finish again when i get a refund

[pulsar sleet]

If I use adamantite stones, could my WCL parse get invalidated later?

[hazy breach]

Very unlikely

[shrewd lantern]

Who knows

just reparse

worst case

[vale pine]

the impact of the stones is likely irrelevant for output

[surreal orbit]

ok zorg

[fossil forge]

i just like having sharpness 7 on my dagger

my diamond sword go boom

[kind slate]

If I don't have guidon but I do have puzzle box, do I hold shadow blades to line with box or just send regardless?

[left ledge]

no

you send

you play puzzlebox like its 3 min

[kind slate]

Fair

[pulsar sleet]

Does this count as "using tricks that will likely be hotfixed at some point in the future"?

[fallow nimbus]

can we outrange guidon?

[open moss]

Wasnt it in M+ [The First Dance] >> [Veiltouched] ?

[jade oasis]

wdym

[copper lily]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[fallow nimbus]

like the buff is from the little flag that spawns

[lilac stag]

It’s difficult to quantify TFD. a lot depends on what you can actually get for resets. Some dungeons are easier than others.

[real panther]

is simulationcraft sub apl is correct? because when I sim st spec and cleave spec (bp) (for the drakes in mythic) I got St spec above (spamming evis), but if I remember correctly we were going for shadowstrike+bp in 2 target fight nah?

[idle flint]

[real panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ub7kZLbNshBCJacR6sMuLJ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6KKQQ7Lv29F1EcdUo1Tvb5

[fossil forge]

@warm marlin is working 👍

[warm marlin]

on 2 its technically dependent on the amount of mastery you have

your profile just has a lot of crit which might be making wm look better?

[karmic harbor]

are you guys playing cloud cover on bird

[fossil forge]

nop

[real panther]

mmh, ok so I was not sure where I was about crit, so i'm above "cap"? Should replace for mastery?

[thin sinew]

anyone else on EU raiding paladins and they're bugged?

[warm marlin]

no its fine

whatever da sim say

[fossil forge]

egg 31% with everyone alive its so dead today

[warm marlin]

im a little confused on why your sim is losing so much sectec damage just swapping to pp

[fossil forge]

wthelly send gear

[tidal solstice]

this is my first season mythic raiding. mistakes were made with crests.

[snow berry]

Are there any addons that show who gets targeted by the arrows on crown mythic at all?

or nah?

[fiery fog]

is it just me or is sub dealing less dmg than a few days ago?

something feels off

idk

[tidal solstice]

just you im blasting

[steel zinc]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[pallid jackal]

Guys do we atrophic person or mind-numbing for interrupts on mythic belo'ren?

[left ledge]

the light purple/pink ones?

you can probably get a m33kaura to display the debuff for you in the middle of your screen but it should be quite evident no?

[robust dust]

hi, what spells from sub rog get buffed by warrior and monk?

[left ledge]

all

all our abilities have physical damage component with the exception of gloomblade

battle shout is about 5%, mystic touch is like 2%, brand is i think just a bit lower than mystic touch

actually

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[left ledge]

yeah fuu has exact numbers for buffs in that spreadsheet

[robust dust]

thx for sharing brother ❤️

[oak grotto]

What dungeons would you play TFD in? AA/MC?

[vale pine]

terrace gives you a lot of resets

nexus point seems good too

[cursive vapor]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[upbeat cradle]

guys on Averzian

after the initial shadowblade

do you keep them for the adds ?

or do you send on cd

from a strict padding point of view

[gilded thistle]

finally getting crown neck is so freeing

I no longer need to worry about itemizing for haste

feelsgood

[hexed wave]

sub still capable of getting 3.4k right? hate to need to swap to assa once I start climbing, hit 3k last week

[empty mesa]

is the ~700 haste point we are looking for supposed to be before or after we put on weapon oils

[gilded thistle]

after

just neeed 700, however you achieve that

[empty mesa]

ty

[hazy breach]

Yes, sub is good

[hexed wave]

thanks, makes me feel good love the spec, thank you

[pallid jackal]

Anyone know for the mindnumbing poison vs atrophic for belo'ren?

[marble sail]

why would u want mindnumbing

[pallid jackal]

for the interrupts, the casts are quick

[marble sail]

ye nah, lock in

[upbeat cradle]

i'm 3.5k on sub

[robust dust]

there is a sub on close to 4k

[upbeat cradle]

honestly you can play whatever you want

"meta" specs are just for sheeps

[robust dust]

or if you play 20+ i think rest can be done with whatever spec

[dire forum]

i think i hit the wall at 17 resil as sub, i cleaned 2x keys of 18 and today i didnt enter a single dung, probably had like 70-80 declines only today

[old ravine]

pugging seems cursed

[hexed wave]

damn I love this channel

it’s funny cause I get the best results and clears when I run my own keys and find pugs

[tidal solstice]

sub is amaze on keys

[hexed wave]

even tho I hate how people look for metas but as a rogue, absolutely ima make sure my tanks Is a monk and so on

[tidal solstice]

and if you love sub, youll be amaze on keys more than a spec you dont love.

[hexed wave]

i’ve been following wowhead so thanks @vale pine again

yea I love the spec it’s so fun, was assa in war within

[tidal solstice]

i was sub when hemo spam deleted lvl 60s in alteract valley in 2006.

[hexed wave]

i’ll take a peak on murlok here and there too, debating if I should farm mythic puzzles for dungeons but it’s fun

[dire forum]

these are my stats , and yet not a single inv in LFG

[hexed wave]

that’s gorgeous

[tidal solstice]

oh so i have more of the same to look forward to. awesome

[hexed wave]

do you feel u ok with guida and gaze?. mine are heroic

idk I feel fine just checking

[tidal solstice]

with guidon the upgrade to mythic was imperceptible

with gaze i dont think it will be

[hexed wave]

ok perfect, i’m still gonna hunt puzzles mythic just in case, all I need is to replace my tiers to mythic too

just hit 280 but i’m enjoying mechanics as sub too

ty guys

[dire forum]

guidon / gaze best combo, i was running puzzle alot, but after 17 u need guidon to combine for a 2nd burst with ST while SB active

[hexed wave]

ah okay, so I should prob focus my rolls on a diff dungeon other than academy

[vale pine]

, if you have any feedback for improvements on the guide, always happy to make it better

[hexed wave]

I appreciate that very humble of you

Thanks!!!

It’s very clean and easy to follow

you guys are awesome I love the immediate reactions to buffs or nerfs, updates etc

[graceful portal]

do we care about mastery cap when playing puzzle box ? I'm around 1k mast idk if i should run more crit

[native hawk]

i am also a sub enjoyer in keys ive not touched the others this xpac you will get 3.4k in no time 🫡

[hexed wave]

oh yea is 1k cap for mastery?

[graceful portal]

nop

Around 1.3k

but w

[hexed wave]

hell yea! got my 12 res, doing some 13s, did 1 lx 15, got a 15 pit rdy to go, I feel great

ok perfect thank you

[graceful portal]

with puzzle box you go way beyond

so idk what to think

[hexed wave]

yea i’m maintaining 700 haste with guida like you guys mentioned too

the 8 sec SB with SD into a second sec tec is so spot on u guys are geniuses lol

[fossil forge]

@warm marlin 318k best 20sec burst window boss not dead though..

[hexed wave]

But yea thanks team ill let you guys talk more detailed stuff again

[fossil forge]

mby on reset best egg% was like 29

[torn cedar]

is there some bug atm where the ability lockout on SD is longer than the duration? multiple times this week i've had 1.5s downtime before it let's me press second charge in blades

[hazy breach]

Yes, but it only happens if you fuckup the guidon

Aka you dont wait enough after using guidon before you dance

[tribal vortex]

If I have macro Shadowstrike and guidon is it safe to pop CDs after GCd right?

[jade oasis]

u should do what i did

skip 13s and 14s and go straight for 15 resil

[vale pine]

think thats not too uncommon

[ember hull]

this circle said i was in it

[keen dome]

It put a point in extra range

[dusky yacht]

Guys is warcraft logs bugged or something my DPS on parses went down like ridiculous amounts even though the %s stayed the same? Did I miss something?

[void ocean]

do u guys know if its possible to retriger bonus roll if it times out

[hexed wave]

yeap that’s my goal, usually can do that with my keys if they are 15s, only reason I do 13 or 14 is to get better io for invitations