subtlety

[dusky yacht]

That is how it feels. I parsed super high on vorasius mythic by high rolling af and ever since, no high rolls or I have to do something that isn't DPS optimal and then somehow I feel like I'm doing "less"; because I'm looking at funny number on a website.

[fast dome]

i like cloud cover, still run in M+. Not raid tho.

[vale pine]

It's confusing ^^

[warm marlin]

ye i linked the wrong one too

xd

idk why wikipedia has it like that

[vale pine]

definitions basically say to deny historical events or data

[warm marlin]

luvchild is right that its basically just gaslighting

[vale pine]

which also feels very weird in the context

its just a very negative loaded terms from whatever i see in dictionaries

[warm marlin]

Guy was referring to people saying "it worked like x in the past, everything was better with the old talent system etc." when it just didnt work like that

suggestions that illusion of choice was any different with the old rows

[lucid jackal]

Yeh

[vale pine]

the illusion of choice is the same as before

[void ocean]

Cause there is progression and there r reclears, if u dont help the team win during progression, but focus on parse u r an idiot and gonna be benched prolly by any serious RL. But if its like god knows which reclear and u ignore mechanics a bit its probably not the worst thing

[pastel geyser]

remember the old talent system where you didnt actually have any choices and dead talents didnt get looked at for years

[vale pine]

the problem before was just that talents ended up neglected

you rarely had 3 choices

when all you had was these 3 choices per tier

[lucid jackal]

I also just really dislike the framing of illusion of choice

[warm marlin]

The new talents system has a lot more choice and perceived variety, idc if there is stuff like goremaw that will never be picked, maybe dark brew randomly synergizes super well with a talent set or storm becomes giga so we want tornado or gloomblade or something

[lucid jackal]

Yes exactly

[warm marlin]

you can say you'll play the same talent build 99% of the time anyway but idk

[dusky yacht]

But if it's like that then kind of what is the point of even having them anymore

[warm marlin]

at least there's things to think about that look cool in the tree

[lucid jackal]

I think the only game, genuinely that does a talent tree perfectly is poe, and that game is loaded with other issues

[pastel geyser]

the new talent system has more levers and knobs blizzard can tune than the old one

[vale pine]

i mean

[warm marlin]

I would love a poe talent tree in wow

but it would also cause tuning to explode permanently

[lucid jackal]

Ppl would also say illusion of choice xdd

[vale pine]

i think the only diffrence is

the enw system has the oppotunity of offering more choice

[lucid jackal]

"you just take the suppress and live nodes illusion of choice"

[vale pine]

if thats the case, as we see here

depends on who you ask

[tight fjord]

It’ll probably be the next tier set that chooses new talents for us

[dusky yacht]

I mean the only thing talent trees and class tuning has led to for me so far is a bunch of recrafting and short-term playstyle adaptation which resulted in basically nothing

[void ocean]

There were dead choices when u had 3 per lvl, but u could always get all the best ones. We cant do the same now cause they r sometimes hidden behind a few bad ones so overall it doesnt pay off

[warm marlin]

yeah but if you could take the good ones you'd just be aura tuned to the same place anyway

[lucid jackal]

I mean literally look at last week for example. "oh wow, cloud cover synergizes with that generator talent, and then the rotten becomes good"

This is like the perfect example lmao

[dusky yacht]

Well yeah but it's also the perfect example of what's the point

[lucid jackal]

..?

[chrome palm]

whoops not intended, removed instantly

[vale pine]

think its not that good of an example

[lucid jackal]

The point is that new things open synergy spaces that change our talents?

[vale pine]

because if you reworked a old talent

and made it good

the old system also would be

[dusky yacht]

We switched back the moment it became irrelevant again and it led only to recrafts and changing playstyle for .. 2 weeks? I forgot

[vale pine]

"Oh look, people now play a completely diffrent setup suddenly"

[warm marlin]

well rn you could still play cloud cover on beloren for example maybe, idk what the sims show

thats an interesting choice point

[vale pine]

the end result is the same

[lucid jackal]

That's because they nerfed the talent

[vale pine]

reguardless of talent system

[dusky yacht]

To me it just felt like blizzard was using "class tuning" to cause recrafts and get more money lol

[lucid jackal]

?

You might be schizophrenic

[chrome palm]

damn they got me again

[vale pine]

think thats interpreting too much into them just simply updating a talent

[dusky yacht]

"felt like"

[vale pine]

and trying to make it good

[tight fjord]

I mean I’ll bet if you wanna build your character to do the maximum egg phase damage for a one phase group on heroic, it’s still cloud cover with crit rings and necks

[vale pine]

and overshooting

which is like

what happens i feel very frequently

[dusky yacht]

Psychosis is not anything like that, you are convinced of a certain delusion and won't accept counterargumentation.

And I'd prefer it if you didn't change the discussion to questioning my mental state, that's not only unfair but also insulting.

[lucid jackal]

You honestly think they buffed cloud cover so rogues would have to recraft gear and get gold?

[dusky yacht]

Felt like.

The thought crossed my mind is not equal to psychosis.

[lucid jackal]

You can keep saying feel but that doesn't change the question I'm asking

[vale pine]

most did not re-craft

[tight fjord]

It’s not an illusion if you’re building a spec for 30 seconds of damage, like I said

[dusky yacht]

I just answered it.

Sounds like you lack education on an insult you just used.

[lucid jackal]

LOLOL

That's it yeah

[lilac stag]

You could recraft your equipment for the cost of 5 WQ

They don’t give a shit about that.

[lucid jackal]

If you don't recraft your gear for 20 dps your tier might be over

[dusky yacht]

30k tips on my server, every crafter.

[warm marlin]

damn ur getting scammed

[tight fjord]

Best 30 seconds burst is completely different from raid spec or m+ spec, correct?

[dusky yacht]

It's server economy. They all say the same thing.

[spice matrix]

You guys tip?

[lilac stag]

just the tip

[lucid jackal]

Tip to guild 250 gold each time

[void ocean]

I go balls deep

[warm marlin]

nah messed up

if you a broke boy just say

so

[dusky yacht]

Why would my guildies craft it for me when they can earn 30k comissions lmao

[lucid jackal]

Bro I had to buy d4 cosmetics

I am broke

[dusky yacht]

I don't even blame them

[lucid jackal]

And the sales rn are sketchy as fuck

[lilac stag]

He’s bringing balance to Stealthi’s 100k tip

[spice matrix]

D4 rogue blood fang goes hard

[lucid jackal]

Did u see some guild got their bank wiped for sales this week

LOLOLO

[void ocean]

I have guild crafters for everything so like 500g tip

[warm marlin]

my friends tip me 1 silver for recrafting

it is truly a curse

im not even given the respect of a single gold

[lilac stag]

I tip 420g 69s with a note of Nice!

[void ocean]

Ppl betrayed Jesus for 30 silver, dafuq u want more for a recraft

[tight fjord]

I tip 10k for everything, if I need a wow token for gold that’s just part of the deal. What’s that a 2$tip for their concentration? Don’t be cheap

[somber sun]

I tip 50k personally

hard time to log in and press a button to craft and send it back to me

they must be rewarded

[void ocean]

U guys robbed a bank or smth

[warm marlin]

if it was that easy then do it yourself blud

🙂

[lilac stag]

Initial crafts I did 5k then just did 1k for a recraft.

[somber sun]

yes I run mythic raids business with a shady organization

I receive 99% cut

[keen dome]

mine tip me 69 gold

[somber sun]

it is actually

I just dont have time

[keen dome]

or, if they want to inflict harm on me, they tip me 67 gold.

[chrome palm]

as an american it feels right to tip at least 5k on crafting, i mean you already tip the cashier at the grocery store / gas station like 5 bucks, is this that different?

[somber sun]

yeah that's fair

its around 7k here

[keen dome]

I typically tell people to tip whatever / whatever they think is fair. Most people tip between 2 or 5k gold. I personally just click button for whatever they tip, it's all income for me.

[vale pine]

tip should be at least 20-40% of the total costs

[warm marlin]

wait do americans tip cashiers

[chrome palm]

you dont?

[warm marlin]

..no

[somber sun]

crazy bro

and you speak to me like that

[keen dome]

Oh, I finally broke 10k. Hell yeah.

[vale pine]

this became a meme

[lucid jackal]

You guys don't tip your landlords do you?

[warm marlin]

i might be cooked though

[keen dome]

Only into the bin

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[vale pine]

basically saying you need to tip 40%

[chrome palm]

just the other day the landlord changed the battery on the smoke alarm, had to give him a 10 to know i appreciate it

[lucid jackal]

LOLOL

[warm marlin]

ok i search it up

the businesses pay them instead

easy solution

[vale pine]

We only tip in restaurants here, and even then its volunteerly. If the service is not nice, you don't tip

[chrome palm]

bingus im sorry we dont actually tip the cashier

i lied to u

[vale pine]

Also its typically not much, people will even look at you weirdly if you tip too much

[warm marlin]

???

crazy

you actually gaslighted me into looking up if ive been a scumbag this whole time

[chrome palm]

LOL

[keen dome]

I legit had american tourists try to tip me when I worked food retail (Upper class, expensive frozen ready meals)

It was surreal and big "uh, no, we don't do that here"

[scarlet heath]

peak comedy is when I use self-checkout station and it asks me for a tip

who am I tipping? the machine? I literally did all the work

[dusky yacht]

I mean sometimes people are "nicer" and only ask 5-10k I guess, but I've had days where I was asking like 4 crafters in a row and they're all like 20-30k, I mean it's whatever I got plenty gold at this point.

You guys were right, my "feelings" about blizzard doing class tuning to "cause" recrafts was obviously incorrect, but it was feelings.
Still don't see why an insult is therefore necessary tbh.

Somebody said it has something to do with it being a pvp server, but w/e I guess.

[chrome palm]

yeah that sounds like youre selecting for rich snobs

[keen dome]

Yep, absolutely

I have stories about that place lmao

[warm marlin]

idk its probably low pop shenanigans

[keen dome]

The old lady triplet's who stole frozen food. The grand mash potato heist. The guy who threw frozen christmas puddings at me..

[warm marlin]

other than start of new craft system in df every single craft on my servers has been tip what you want

and you make more money that way than requesting min tip

[keen dome]

yeee

[lilac stag]

There are tip jars everywhere in small establishments. Not at corporate establishments.

[vale pine]

Social media and reddit exposed a lot of bad actors

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I'm not sure about server pops etc, it was a lot better on my old server, I transferred cause guild on this one and I hate the (*) shit

[keen dome]

Nobody on my realm tries to demand a tip anymore. It's all just "tip what you want" 'cos it's all about volume now.

[steel zinc]

Sorry I am getting the pin correct we play now double finality and not wm anymore?

Trickster too?

[vale pine]

the worse thing we have here is the self checkout at mcdonalds asking you to put money into some welfare projects.

[vale pine]

we drop wm entirely

replace it with finality or improved secret

[keen dome]

I'm glad I don't work for a profit industry anymore. We still have to deal with money but it's almost exclusively printing / fines now. It's great.

[dusky yacht]

Our local mcdonalds asks for donations for child cancer and then you see a bunch of kids eating the greasiest shit on the planet and as somebody who worked at a hospital I'm looking at that like hmm..

[vale pine]

reason: apex 2 does not work on clone attacks from wm

[steel zinc]

We didn't play improved sec tech?

Good to know kekw

[vale pine]

not on deathstalker

[steel zinc]

Ohh ok

But what on trickster?

I cba playing DS

[vale pine]

wm -> finality

on trickster

[steel zinc]

Ok 👍 how much loss?

[vale pine]

no loss

its actually better

wm just oversimmed

the big was not implemented

koji implemented it yesterday

so now we could re-evaluate talents

[gilded ferry]

its on nightly now?

[vale pine]

yes, its in latest

[gilded ferry]

gotcha

[dusky yacht]

This is so weird I actually looked at wm a few days ago and thought about trying double finality but decided against it lmao

[vale pine]

to be fair it is wm

and also tornado

but we never played tornado

it was even without the bug implemented worse

[dusky yacht]

Imagine the main theme of our spec is shadow clones and nothing works with it almost

[vale pine]

it is just a problem of design

[steel zinc]

Ok gj nice. Did u update sheet?

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

yes

did re-run the single target sims

and update the talent strings

[steel zinc]

Ok gj ty fuu for your work

[vale pine]

need to thank koji and eleem too

[dusky yacht]

Imagine if we didn't have you guys figuring shit out for us we'd all be running around with questionably functioning talent builds

[vale pine]

it is actually interessting

not playing wm means we have even less diffrences between aoe and st

but thats subtlety ironically since df

we mostly have talent setups which work well in multiple situations

its just that certain talent changes tried to change that

e.g. danse macabre change

was aimed to make it only relevant on single target

[warm marlin]

from wm strike crit full gamba to blessed finality gaming

[void ocean]

If only we had rupture for that finality

[gilded ferry]

ngl, i did not liked that backstab during dance rotation

[fossil forge]

double finality apexed rupture brrrrrR

[vale pine]

i don't like the

"wait 1 sec for your haste to apply"

"use macros or lose gcd's with dance"

"optimize aa, because of design flaws"

[void ocean]

"not like" feels like an understatement

[vale pine]

and

"not having cleave, because auto cleave is apperntly 200iq"

[sullen shell]

Why are so many players still using wm on logs even after the bug was reported? Is it simply a lack of info on their part?

[gilded ferry]

are the logs recent?

check the dates

[vale pine]

we literally put out the information today

wait a week before logs adjust

[sullen shell]

Understood, thanks. I'll make the switch and drop wm for my raid tomorrow

[astral mulch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[surreal orbit]

oh is there a new bug

[vale pine]

its not a new bug

but it wasn't implemented in simulationcraft

now it is

so simualtions correct now

and this means, we could re-evaluate a talent option

[alpine wraith]

basically just avoid all mines as the power lvl of talents gets lower

kekw imagine if new finality is the better points

how bad are the others

[fair cloak]

when we will get 298 weapons

[vale pine]

next reset

[fair cloak]

will it be better to use it on crafter dagger

[vale pine]

nope

[fair cloak]

k

thx

[vale pine]

best is to use on a mythic weapon

its like

[quaint lodge]

Fuu whats the possibility that gloomblade is bugged and its actually giga op

[vale pine]

mythic weapon > trinkers

[alpine wraith]

almost none

but maybe goremaw got its dmg 10x

[quaint lodge]

[alpine wraith]

and we dont know

[vale pine]

you know, there is always a chance

even if its 0.0000000001%

but ye, gloomblade is not good

[quaint lodge]

I wonder what the deal with deathstalker is

I wish I knew how to sim and I could read the APL myself, but it seems so daunting

Bleh

[pulsar hemlock]

How likely are we to get some real attention in 12.1

[vale pine]

deathstalker evis does more damage

[tidal marsh]

🔮

[vale pine]

so its slightly better on st

good enough to maybe justify playing on the single target fights

[fair cloak]

rogue feels so strong this week idk

im not orange parse and still first in dps

when they are purple

[golden thunder]

still nobody invites you to their m+

[fair cloak]

for me m+ is a choire

asf

[surreal orbit]

LF Meta comp MDI strat KWTD checking logs (competitive)

[golden thunder]

yeah... even for 15 now

[fair cloak]

imo its crazy how hard is getting to 10s

as 283 rogue

[somber sun]

yes

you need 290i

[golden thunder]

^^

[somber sun]

and then we start thinking

about getting an invite

[quaint lodge]

Ilvl doesn't really matter for invites, its Io generally speaking

I'm p sure everytime I've listed a 10 in the last week, I've been able to run them all with at least people 3400 the entire time

[somber sun]

guys would it be decent to reroll skyreach after getting all pos loot table ?

[somber sun]

its kinda the rule here

[quaint lodge]

Depends what you're looking for

[somber sun]

I saw some ppl speaking about getting yeeted for a lower ilevel meta class

kinda rare here

[golden thunder]

yeah sure .io is... but if you dont get invites hard to push it

[somber sun]

they judge everything by ilevel

[somber sun]

I was thinking about replacing the crit/haste dagger for the haste/mastery one

and get shoulder and cloak

prob

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i3JKXA21RbpJHRDXD3QJnj

for next 298 upgrade reset

[fallow nimbus]

I wait for vault but probably take the skyreach dagger for the 298 upgrade

Even if it costs me 20 crests

[somber sun]

yeah think ill full invest on that

crest cap sucks so much

[iron imp]

The pos>skyreach dagger is like 100 DPS or less depending on stats

Gotta be somewhere better to be using that reroll

[fallow nimbus]

No roll needed when you have all the items

I rolled 1 m+ roll and got the 2nd nexus ring after I took the haste/mast one a week before cloudcover

[iron imp]

Better use of crests too. I bet upgrading pants or chest would be more DPS from agi

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah upgrading big slots first takes priority

But after that who cares about cloak or wrists

[quaint lodge]

idt this is much of a thing you need to care about

the stats are fine on both

[somber sun]

yeaa

think Ill just see what vault has to offer and Ill look what to roll on after

[steel zinc]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[winged blaze]

guys, whats the better spec atm between assa and sub in m+? assuming mostly bis on each?

[vale pine]

should not make a lot of diffrence

both are good

[tight roost]

What brings the „First Dance Tracker“ did anyone use it ?

[vale pine]

it shows you a timer

for the first dance

which is a talent, that extends your dance duation after you are out of combat for a certain time

[gilded thistle]

wait fuck i've been gone for a week

are we back to mastery > crit now?

[somber sun]

yeah

[gilded thistle]

B R U H

i cant fucking afford to redo allat

[somber sun]

crit still useful

[shrewd lantern]

dont regem

[vale pine]

yes

no more cloud cover

[gilded thistle]

i recrafted a bunch of pieces for crit

[shrewd lantern]

L

[somber sun]

ST / aoe

you are fine

[shrewd lantern]

imagine having more than 2 crafted items

[somber sun]

where do you even get the sparks from

[gilded thistle]

yeah well some us tryna make do

[shrewd lantern]

[gilded thistle]

right now i got cloak, bracers, mainhand, and ring

[shrewd lantern]

drowning in myth gear with bonus rolls especially now

[somber sun]

nahh

only if you started on first week

[shrewd lantern]

2nd

first wasnt even myth vault

[gilded thistle]

okay I can live with this

ty

[somber sun]

I dont know much

I joined like 3 weeks ago

feels like sht to upgrade stuff

[gilded thistle]

yeah im behind on upgrades

[shrewd lantern]

waiting on crest cap every week to gain more ilvl like:

[gilded thistle]

i did pull myth gaze from vault tho

feelsgood

[somber sun]

yeah thats crazy

I bet everyone was 285 ilevel by week 6

just remove the cap

[gilded thistle]

actually I guess I'm not really behind, i'm just not capped yet this week

[shrewd lantern]

nah the cap is fine

degening to 289 otherwise

first month in

[gilded thistle]

I think it lasts too long

at this point it feels like we should be uncapped

[hazy breach]

The bonus rolls were introduced too early

[shrewd lantern]

^

[somber sun]

trueee

[hazy breach]

So everybody has 10 mythic items

[shrewd lantern]

bonus rolls give infinite gear

[hazy breach]

That they cant upgrade

So either delay the bonus rolls or give more crests

[gilded thistle]

yeah i got like 4 pieces in my bags i cant use

[shrewd lantern]

im rolling AA for funnies

in the event they gigabuff assa

[somber sun]

xdd

[warm marlin]

not if you got achieve!

[somber sun]

reroll to still keep full 276 gear

[warm marlin]

then we got opposite problem

my alt guys have too many crests!

gg

[lucid jackal]

I think it's fine that you don't have items that you don't have crests to upgrade idk

Ppl greed sickens me

[hazy breach]

Well the bonus rolls feel bad

When theyre useless

[gilded thistle]

picking up a gaze really fucked my plans

[lucid jackal]

Bonus roll raid then

[gilded thistle]

now i gotta upgrade this instead of fixing all the pieces in my bags

feelsbad

[lucid jackal]

Raid = crest save

Shrimple

[hazy breach]

Idk how its greedy to say that they shouldve waited with the release of bonus rolls

[warm marlin]

strong words from the guy who's been deprived of loot for 16 years

[lucid jackal]

Yeah exactly

I know the feeling

[somber sun]

not a big upgrade from heroic to myth

[shrewd lantern]

guy bonus rolling cosmos

[somber sun]

is it on your sims ?

[shrewd lantern]

for the big items

galaxy brain

[lucid jackal]

Lura but close

[shrewd lantern]

oh wait yeah

cosmos neck though?

then again lura neck

289 double socket is

[warm marlin]

alleria neck deliver me into ds

[somber sun]

cosmos neck for DS showdown

[shrewd lantern]

playing DS

sounds like

self punishment

[warm marlin]

just dont get parried bruh

[shrewd lantern]

real

[hazy breach]

People have done way more degen stuff for WAAAY less

[shrewd lantern]

yeah like buying race changes

every tier

[thin sinew]

why does that feel like a self report

[hazy breach]

Going by sims DS is worth like 6-8 race changes

[shrewd lantern]

how many people actually went panda

because of how it looks

and not because it sims higher

[thin sinew]

furries

[shrewd lantern]

there's an irony in that statement

[warm marlin]

@hazy breach

[shrewd lantern]

with that pfp

[somber sun]

how much btw

[warm marlin]

is it irony or knowledge?

[somber sun]

1-2%?

[thin sinew]

What actual is the deviation across races atm?

[hazy breach]

Nah bro i aint doing any of that

[shrewd lantern]

probably 1-2 over good races

maybe more compared to the dogshit races

idk

like panda compared to something worthless like vulpera or nightborne

might be bigger

[hazy breach]

Panda just have sick animations

[somber sun]

I heard eleem is playing rogue human

[hazy breach]

Especially feint

[hallow mortar]

are you guys going after nexus ring with coins now?

[hazy breach]

Yerp

[hallow mortar]

or they are not that good ?

[shrewd lantern]

did that first

even with cloudcover

so....

[hallow mortar]

well, i went for first boss trinket since we never dropped guidon on mythic this season

already spent two rolls there

[hazy breach]

The provide stats + a free damage proc, so why not

[shrewd lantern]

spent 4?

got a chest which i didnt have myth of which is nice

and an outlaw weapon

[lucid jackal]

Got it from vault this reset

[somber sun]

isnt the drop table kinda ehh on npx ?

[hallow mortar]

yeah i got chest there too

[shrewd lantern]

most of the loot is fine in npx

gloves are a bit bin since they drop off vora

[hallow mortar]

i think i have rings hands and outlaw wep left there to roll on

[thin sinew]

NPX blessed me with 2 items i needed out of it's whole pool in 2 rolls so i'm not complaining

[golden thunder]

i farmed everything from SR ^^

[hallow mortar]

i have crafted ring

[golden thunder]

trinkets, weapons, cloak, 2 set pieces ...

[hallow mortar]

but if i can travel in time i would not craft it

[shrewd lantern]

im just coining AA on the offchance assa gets buffed

[hallow mortar]

my only non myth slot is ring and one trinket

[shrewd lantern]

i mean i still got some hero pieces since crest cap

and have sockets on heroic items

[hallow mortar]

gotta fix trinket since it can get voidforged at some point

i wonder how the void forge will work

hopefully its time gated

[shrewd lantern]

think someone said its random drops from doing content

[somber sun]

yeah obv

would suck to see a full 298 uhdk

[shrewd lantern]

well they cant be full 298

since its only 4 slots

[hallow mortar]

its only weapons and trinkets

[somber sun]

yeah

on the available slots obv

[shrewd lantern]

send mh then gaze and guidon

[hallow mortar]

it will be akward if you can farm all slots first week tbh

[swift tinsel]

Wonder if it’ll apply to shields and offhand since they’re considered armor not weapons

Just lose on stat scaling

[shrewd lantern]

its not toxic to wish some tanks i get in pugs

go bald by 25 right

[somber sun]

no bro

natural

I mean

[hallow mortar]

i leved up my hunter like 2 or maybe 3 weeks ago and he will hit ilvl achiv first

sadge

[somber sun]

a lot of stress from pugging and tanking

evntually it will happen

[thin sinew]

Jokes on you bald is king

[somber sun]

btw the achiv makes you spend 40 instead of 80 for 6/6 myth ?

[shrewd lantern]

make a human dk

for maximum brain afk experience

[keen steppe]

We try beloren today is there something to make the fight easier for me? Except from no die

[vale pine]

you want to bank some supercharger for the egg

[hexed wave]

nothing changes Tuesday for us rogues right? mainly upgrading daggers to 298

sorry I get so busy work wise I try to min max as much as possible as a casual lol

if anyone needs a dental cleaning lemme know lol

for all your guys rogue support

[keen steppe]

Thank you

[vale pine]

mainhand dagger upgrade is highest impact

[atomic bobcat]

ye but would you do it or on voras dagger or w8 to kill belo and meanwhile supercharge the crafted oh?

[timid rose]

I mean if you do that, might as well put the crafted on the mh slot

[atomic bobcat]

ye ofc

[lost sundial]

dumh-ish question... is Coup de Grace flagged as Eviscerate for talents and abilities that buff Eviscerate?

[atomic bobcat]

just less ilvl for now

[shrewd lantern]

people acting like the vora dagger is bad

[hazy breach]

Yes

[shrewd lantern]

oh no 20 ish vers

its so bad guys!

[lost sundial]

tyvm for quick response

[calm wing]

25 vers 😱

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure sending the 20 gilded to upgrade another slot

is more dps

than changing one secondary on a wep

[ripe flame]

Maybe a silly question but is there a way to sim with hunt only giving vers?

[shrewd lantern]

is this a lura question

[ripe flame]

Maybe

[shrewd lantern]

i forger what the windchime counts as

[ripe flame]

Idk but you only get vers

[shrewd lantern]

honestly when hunt gives haste

i question its value too

[warm marlin]

i got u

gimme a moment to find it

[ripe flame]

🐐

[warm marlin]

midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race

i dont remember what lura is but mechanical will work

that one gives vers

[ripe flame]

Thanks a lot king 👑

[warm marlin]

so midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=mechanical

[ripe flame]

Its mostly for funsies since I dont think the difference would be anything remotely significant but I need to kill the p1 boredom somehow

[tidal solstice]

i love how mages need to be told twice to lust and still takes 10 seconds into a fight to pop it

please blizz give us the job, they fucking suck at it

[shrewd lantern]

mages arent people

[hazy breach]

Nah rogues cant be allowed to do any jobs

Back in the olden days you always had rogues do everything

[warm marlin]

i swapped dk to solve this

now i grip stuff

[somber sun]

we save runs with our interrupts tho

ohhh

[warm marlin]

[shrewd lantern]

he swapped to dk to do almost as little

[warm marlin]

oh i am getting grippy with it

dw

[mortal arch]

you have one tomb of sargeras and then being soak kings goes out of style

[hazy breach]

Grippy socks go hard

[tidal solstice]

lowkey tired of relying on ranged to perform mechanics the melee got 10-20 pulls ago.

[somber sun]

bro we were pugging VS heroic and had a uhdk 277 ilevel doing the same damage as feral and bro kept dying too

[shrewd lantern]

this is casual raiding

in general

[ripe flame]

I dont like UH the frost resurgence looks promising tho

[shrewd lantern]

i saw a dk do 40k on bosses

at 278

[warm marlin]

udk reminds me a lot of sub i cannot lie

or at least old sub

bit of ramp into biggie burst every 90s

[somber sun]

bro

I think

they just apply their plagues

and afk

[ripe flame]

Interesting

[shrewd lantern]

yeah with range

[steady sail]

Anyone got the secret tech for Saprish in Seat of the Triumvirate, getting chased down by the tank on the meter and the other 2 dps are just off on their own

[shrewd lantern]

respec

[hazy breach]

Idk sub just sucks on 2-3 targets

[gilded thistle]

are sims busted or do I have something wrong selected here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2nzaBYxsovzfaXNE56fSdj

[steady sail]

So just make up for the time in the rest of it and accept that it'll be a long fight there

[shrewd lantern]

Well if tank is close that is user error

[limber folio]

0 demeg

[hazy breach]

What are you asking about

[steady sail]

Tanks was 104, I had 135, warrior had 223

[gilded thistle]

maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure my dps was WAY higher last week lol

[shrewd lantern]

yeah thats gonna happen

[hazy breach]

Well you are simming without most buffs and consumables

[gilded thistle]

oh

okay so the answer is yes

I am missing something

[shrewd lantern]

sub sucks at 3t

[gilded thistle]

thank you

[tidal solstice]

first boss in AA on a 14 and I knew the run was cooked

[limber folio]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEgBQn6agAIR3s0.webp

[hollow spear]

At least the shaman was consistent with it

[tidal solstice]

was mostly a clean run and if we hadnt wiped on trash before veximus it wouldve been timed

the disparity in logs vs blizz meter is funny

this carried io site is friggin great lol

[fiery fog]

what was the thing called that we can use instead of oil? some tbc item

[tidal solstice]

adamantite weapon stone i think it was

[fossil forge]

inflating carried io kick score ✅

[tribal blade]

it's different because iirc logs take down time into account

so your dps will always be lower in a key log

vs in game meters

[hazy breach]

It also takes deaths into account

[drifting ether]

We were blessed with sub rogue in the mdi 🥳

[hazy breach]

As it takes the entire timer of the key

[tidal solstice]

im doing my part!

[tribal blade]

cool good to know!

bear is now becoming the meta tank

i have a 3900 MW buddy

who is probably very very happy about this

[gilded thistle]

is saladbar add damage filtered?

i see all the top parses skip pp

[marble path]

no the small balls just die insta

[gilded thistle]

I guess my guild just slow

[marble path]

idt u run pp on anything but dragons across all 9

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlP3UE8gxUs YES IT'S A STREAMER TIER LIST but still interesting

[marble path]

and paladins but if ur sub on paladins ur trolling

[tribal blade]

naohw puts sub in A-tier for keys

tight

[somber sun]

Black powder goes insane

trust

[brisk wind]

Does coup de grâce have aoe?

[hazy breach]

Nimble Flurry in the trickster tree

[tribal blade]

maybe outlaw actually deserved to get nerfed

they're one of the best dps in keys now

[somber sun]

I mean

High investment high reward

Not some brain dead spread plague and spam one button

[tribal blade]

that is not how blizz sees tuning

[swift tinsel]

Got the outlaw npx mainhand maybe we switch for keys

Yeah see current bear

[tribal blade]

yeah current bear is braindead

[somber sun]

You think it should be seen that ?

[tribal blade]

and the best tank

[tribal blade]

maybe

but it's not how they see it

[somber sun]

How do they approach it ? I'm clueless regarding that

[swift tinsel]

That’s the great mystery

[somber sun]

[swift tinsel]

Bc sometimes it makes zero sense how they approach it

[hazy breach]

They typically aim to not upset the balance too hard by overnerfing stuff that people have fotm rerolled to

[swift tinsel]

Usually you’ll see some buffs/nerfs to the top and bottom 2-3 specs

^

[tribal blade]

there's just 0% chance they tune that way when you see what BM and ret was doing in previous seasons

[hazy breach]

But rather just try to minimize the difference between the outliers

[tribal blade]

that's very true too

i'm not mad though, sub is doing well

and that's all that matters to me

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it’s just a little bleh gameplay in keys

[hazy breach]

But also like, sometimes a spec looks bad because nobody is playing it well and/or theres another build that people havent discovered yet

[tribal blade]

very true yeah

[hazy breach]

Like right now if everybody was playing deathstalker sub on bosses i think we would move up quite a bit on the raid rankings

But the 1.1k haste is quite restrictive

[swift tinsel]

Maybe I’ll do that on reclear next week lol

Yeah that part makes it almost non-starter for a lot of people

[hazy breach]

And there is more to playing it as well, since you want pretty much all of your darkest nights to be apexed

[shrewd lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-the-joke-anthony-vincent-ten-second-songs-i-was-kidding-i-wasnt-serious-gif-19402679

[swift tinsel]

It feels very unnatural after playing trickster for so long

Bc you’re not just sending the macro Sectech+dance all the time you actually have to pay some attention to that

[tribal blade]

are you also going into dances with DN already procced

[swift tinsel]

Actually I think I can 1.1k haste so maybe I’ll give it a try in some throwaway keys

(Doubt)

Or raid

[hazy breach]

Kind of yes

[tribal blade]

mmmm ok

[hazy breach]

Ideally you sit on 1 stack of mark and build sht stacks so that your dance+storm procs apex for the DN

[tribal blade]

ok yeah

[hazy breach]

Ideally every single supercharger should be sectech+dn (apexed)

But its quite hard to do

Depends on your procs

sometimes you just have to give up one of them

[tribal blade]

so every dance would ideally be 1 mark>dance+storm>sectec>strike till apex>DN

[hollow spear]

So you go dance-storm-strike-sectec-strike-dn?

[tribal blade]

or if you have DN already DN>sectec

[hollow spear]

Or do you forego apexing sectec?

[hazy breach]

sectech dont need apex

[swift tinsel]

Sectech quite weak for ds

[hazy breach]

But you dance when you have either sectech or DN

[tribal blade]

tight

[swift tinsel]

Supercharged apexed DN goes hard

[hazy breach]

So sometimes you dont end up supercharging sectech

[tribal blade]

mmm ok interesting

[hazy breach]

But like, DN with apex does more damage than sectech

[tribal blade]

ok yeah that makes the conditions for going into dance more than trickster

[hollow spear]

You think so? I think we'd go up on boss damage, but the pad is quite lacking vs trickster, no?

[hazy breach]

I meant for bosses where theres not much pad

[hollow spear]

Ok gotcha

[hazy breach]

But probably on most bosses ngl

[hollow spear]

I mean I don't mind a balance like that between hero talents

You play trickster for "cleave" (brings a tear to my eye to say this) and deathstalker for boss damage

The haste conditions are unfortunately cringe

[hollow spear]

Technically, but meh

[hazy breach]

Yeah but unfortunately the BPs do like 20% less than they do as trickster

[swift tinsel]

Free us from this breakpoint/cdr hell

[hollow spear]

Isn't sin's funnel mostly about scent?

[hazy breach]

And the extra cp yes

They dont play deathstalker rn

[hollow spear]

Also true

[craggy quail]

anyone notice pikaboo using this poisons in skyreach +17?

[swift tinsel]

Maybe just habit

[tidal solstice]

even with?

[craggy quail]

i think this

[swift tinsel]

Lethal poison for sub is whatever

Does like no dmg

[hazy breach]

Yes

There can be some healing from the orbs if you dont kill them fast enough

But besides that theres nothing in skyreach, maissara and terrace have some great uses of wound though

[craggy quail]

have no min max with this poisons on sub?

[hollow spear]

Poisons on sub

[tidal solstice]

for keys where tanks have to kite packs wouldnt it be better to run crippling instead of atrophic?

[quaint lodge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Oh no, your poisons will do 0.1% of your damage instead of 0.2%

[jade oasis]

i don’t apply poisons

chemical warfare is a war crime

[hollow spear]

The green colour of instant poison goes against sub's class fantasy

[hazy breach]

I mean yeah if you need a slow then swap to the slow. Just swap back to atrophic when you dont need it anymore

[jade oasis]

poisons are a sin thing

[hazy breach]

Would generally recommend numbing poison for most keys though

[jade oasis]

since those guys r unethical

[hollow spear]

Checked their channel yesterday, first thing I see ends with -ussy

[tidal solstice]

ive read that it only works on a mobs first cast tho?

[hazy breach]

What

[mortal arch]

Where did you read this

[tidal solstice]

or maybe thats bosses

[somber sun]

Would love shadow plagues instead of poison

[hazy breach]

It generally does not reduce the cast speed of bosses abilties

[jade oasis]

that’d be cool

[hollow spear]

So technically correct, because it doesn't reduce the first cast then

[jade oasis]

more shadow dmg stuff would be cool

[craggy quail]

we have a talent for shadow poison

if i remember correct

[somber sun]

Yeah imagine 2nd top damage after evisc is a shadow dot

[craggy quail]

but anyone use because is no good

[hazy breach]

Technically yes

But realistically its just +10% shadow damage

And that is actually very good

Just not good enough to warrant giving up macabre or shadowcraft for, as you have to path through finality (which isnt that great) to get it

[jade oasis]

it’d be cool if dark brew was good

especially with the alleria neck

[hazy breach]

The neck does the same damage regardless. Anything your class does thats +shadow/magic/whatever damage only works on spells from the class, not items

[jade oasis]

we path through finality anyways no?

bc

it’s stronger than weapon master no?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[grizzled bay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jade oasis]

one more more talent point away.

from the dream.

[mortal arch]

I love when they just throw a "you also do x% more damage" on a talent

[hazy breach]

And if something from your class works on items, its generally considered a bug.

[tribal blade]

that poison thing on DB is laughable

[tribal blade]

would be cooler if DB affected our autos or something

[jade oasis]

i still believe powder should

put a dot on things

make the adds like

cough up smoke or something

[tribal blade]

could be cool yeah

[swift tinsel]

Make them do shadow dmg

On top of something cool

Idk I still want to see our dmg be like 80/20 shadow to phys

[surreal orbit]

which raid buffs influence our shadow damage?

[swift tinsel]

Most of them

Either directly or indirectly

Probably Fort/evoker being the only ones that don’t

Also something they could have done when we still had rupture was have BP detonate it

So the tedium of spreading it felt more worth it

[short radish]

yeah even battle shout does since it's not coded directly for physical damage

[swift tinsel]

Just a nice juicy AP buff

Mastery buffs it via shadowed finishers and clones

[short radish]

also int buff

[swift tinsel]

Chaos brand is obv

Ye

Figured that one went without saying bc we have no int scaling lol

[short radish]

look tell that to 11 year old me playing maple story and putting points in int for my thief because "i didn't want to be stupid"

[swift tinsel]

Wish they’d make us pure shadow dmg in dance and then shadowed finishers buffed clones that spawn from finishers

By adding +1 clone or something

Make that a capstone to replace gb

[hollow spear]

I mean failing int saving throws because you're a dumbass is a thing in some crpg

[swift tinsel]

Lmao true

If wow had ability scores you gained from a pre-test that’d be funny

[hollow spear]

Evasion failed because your character is a fatass panda bear

[swift tinsel]

Stealth checks failed bc hooves

[hollow spear]

Would be hilarious

[swift tinsel]

Every mob has truesight if you’re Tauren or space goat lmao

[hollow spear]

For a couple of minutes, then you'd lose your shit after missing sectec on your dwarf because the flying harpy was out of reach

[swift tinsel]

Omg attack range based on race

Nelf male can attack across the map

[hollow spear]

[swift tinsel]

Literal longest arms

[hollow spear]

Finally sub can be uhdk

Just have to pick the right race

[white nova]

any tips for dpsing double dragons?

[swift tinsel]

live the code, the code of the dragon

fight for right, the might of the dragon

have to think of the 90's animated series whenever I see Double Dragon

[hollow spear]

What's your definition of dpsing?

Looking good on the meters or boss damage?

[white nova]

boss damage lol

[tribal blade]

send everything on cd

don't hold for orbs

[white nova]

i know i could just spam powder, but that seems kind of shitty

[hollow spear]

Don't sectec the orbs

[white nova]

10-4

so just pepper the orbs

simple enough

[tribal blade]

if you want to do solely boss dmg you play as if the orbs don't exist kinda

[hollow spear]

Have to just see if your guild struggles with killing them or not

[swift tinsel]

me ignoring adds most of the time

[white nova]

i can do that, my guild is thirsty for aoeing. so i usually stay away from it

[tribal blade]

you can do decent boss dmg holding dances for orbs

[shrewd lantern]

this late into the tier

as long as you dont fear breath the raid

[jade oasis]

shadowstrike black powder repeat

[shrewd lantern]

does it matter?

[tribal blade]

not really

[shrewd lantern]

yeah exactly

[tribal blade]

wasn't a serious dps check on dragons many weeks ago

[white nova]

my guild is casual bros, i just want to do good

[tribal blade]

definitely not now

[jade oasis]

they need to remove add dmg from logs already

[tribal blade]

you will look very good on the meters if you hold dances for orbs

[jade oasis]

i actually can’t beat my parses anymore bc adds die too quick now

[tribal blade]

yeah big reason why it got removed from all stars

[jade oasis]

like

dev dh sends one star and adds are gone

[shrewd lantern]

blizz be like

"yeah that class needs a another buff"

[tidal solstice]

meanwhile im just trying to convince the ranged to get their asses closer to the bosses and huddle and im sure its gonna be a solid 10 more pulls until they get it 😄

i drop my orb right on the bosses, closer in than eve the tanks, and somehow I'm still the first to break tether

and orbs are all over creation making nuking them down impossible

[final gulch]

wait until you find out they do it on purpose

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-fist-arthur-憤怒-gif-5794225

[final gulch]

more cleave/funnel for them if they leave it out :D

https://tenor.com/view/choking-gif-18241023091515446173

me @ ranged players

and lust players that wait for their own cds in keys

[ember hull]

is there a way in logs to see how much damage my atrophic like prevented

[unreal ledge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[somber sun]

How even

In all of my guild runs, they're insanely far from each other

[final gulch]

yea, its in healing -> mitigations

[tidal solstice]

heroic? on mythic they are like in phase 3 from heroic constantly

[swift tinsel]

slow lust is my 13th reason

[somber sun]

Ohhh

So you just go potent powder and blast ?

[sturdy mesa]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[tribal blade]

i did heroic dragons with x2 finality instead of PP for science

seems fine

[serene notch]

do i go with the haste recomendation for guidon or without if i have emberwing?............finally got a on use T_T

[tribal blade]

heroic paladins exCUSE ME?!

is sub doing dmg on paladins now???

@lilac stag you can play sub on paladins now i think

look at this

[gilded ferry]

Pp?

[short radish]

its kinda insane that you did 25k more dps than me but we still both get 99

[tribal blade]

yah

[tribal blade]

lol that is actually kinda insane

nice that was a rank 2 parse

the trick might have been i weaved in a lot of storms

[old ravine]

wait same and i had 100 :/

[astral mulch]

Wait how did you do that in sub lol

[tribal blade]

i'm just a GOD (no i'm not)

[astral mulch]

I gotta see a log

I’m impressed af

[tribal blade]

i honestly dunno

[astral mulch]

That’s insane though man

Grats

[tribal blade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A7ymT3Lk6apQBhCW?fight=23&type=damage-done

[ember hull]

yall running atrophic or numbing on high keys

[tribal blade]

1 thing i did was not only spamming strike in dance

i weaved in storms randomly

more DM hits i guess

[old ravine]

atro

[acoustic lodge]

is there a world where we ever take dark brew

[ember hull]

yea im trying to get 18 wr and i feel like mfs dying a lot and i could maybe help more with atroph

[tribal blade]

someone was cooking that a while ago

but dunno if it amounted to anything

might have been charrend

[short radish]

10% more sectech crits than me

[tribal blade]

NAUUURRWWW

just crit more 5head

[acoustic lodge]

what would we lose to get dark brew

[short radish]

yeah i did

[tribal blade]

shadowcraft or DM i think

[tribal blade]

SHEEEESH

hey uh

someone may have just realized

they didn't pick up the raid buff from march

some unnamed rogue

dunno who

need to investigate this matter

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

that explains why my march parses have been getting progressively worse every week

and i couldn't figure out why 🙂

[shrewd lantern]

didnt you only have to get it once

[tribal blade]

well someone may have not even realized

they didn't pick it up

from march only

and gotten it from the other 2 raids

[shrewd lantern]

what a silly someone

[plush roost]

For keys or raid

[tribal blade]

WHO COULD IT BE

[plush roost]

This in raid is similar ST to normal DS talents with slightly added aoe from DB

In m+ its just not possible unlucky

I need to try no lashe + finalityx2 at some point dor m+

I think brew is deadge tho

For keys

[shrewd lantern]

what the helly is this cook

[plush roost]

Its good

Sims very close iirc

[shrewd lantern]

the nice part about shifting the st build to 2/2 finality

is we get some occasional extra bp pad value

[plush roost]

This was 3 weeks ago or so

[shrewd lantern]

[plush roost]

So before we switched off wm for ist

[tribal blade]

ok got a 98 on heroic lura

i'm not a shitter

raid buff makes a diff looks like

that's crazy

[brisk wind]

Should I bother making champion gear tier set or wait for hero?

[odd sandal]

What do we use besides Phoenix oils?

[swift tinsel]

you want to get 4pc asap

since you can get more cata charges from doing m+raid/delves/pvp

[brisk wind]

So just turn 4 pieces asap ?

[short radish]

yes

[brisk wind]

mkay ty

[shrewd lantern]

we dont do it as a guild after first kill lol

[dark mural]

Anyone have any tips on the 2nd pit boss? Should I send cds on pull and finish using them on the adds?

[tribal blade]

damn sad

[slim bridge]

Can someone help with my sims? They seem to be prioritizing haste a lot more than they should.

For example, haste flask is simming higher even though I have guidon and 700 haste

[tribal blade]

are you simming 1 target or 3 on patchwerk

[slim bridge]

Guild has me simming 2 target patchwerk

[tribal blade]

oh ok yeah

seems like the sims will want you to get more haste if it's more than 1 target

i've seen 3 target patchwerk do the same thing

might be that

i would just build for 700

[slim bridge]

Okay, ty!

[tribal blade]

np!

[serene notch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hollow spear]

What, apart from trickster just being better, makes this impossible in m+?

The 1 missing point of DP?

[alpine wraith]

it is missing potent powder

so it is donezo

but for st tis fine

[plush roost]

cant run pp unless u drop deeper daggers which means u have to run pv and drop fw and then also its just not very good to be DS as u said

could drop lashe but in my experience its just too much damage

prio damage at that

[gilded thistle]

do you need to stay in melee range of the primary target for cdg to fully hit, or can I cast it and run off if I need to

same question about facing requirement too i guess

[hollow spear]

I haven't simmed ds yet since I'd first have to make 1.100 haste happen without throwing dps out of the window. On trickster, PP isn't even that much better than other alternatives (such as 2x finality) if you consider dungeonslice or generally a mix of mass aoe and single target encounters.

[small sleet]

potent powder is an absurdly strong talent for aoe, even if dungeon slice does not show it

potent powder is much stronger than another point in finality

[hollow spear]

It is in mass aoe

It's dead in st though

And I thought it performed much better than it actually did

[tribal blade]

it's interesting charrend was able to do big dmg running x2 finality in AA

i might mess around with it

[steel zinc]

you can even drop DM for dark brew

more aoe

[tribal blade]

MMM interesting

[steel zinc]

I think AA has so many big pulls might be worth

[peak ice]

I accidentally ran my raid build in a 14 yesterday

[tribal blade]

how much of a prio/st loss is it running brew over DM

lemme see

[peak ice]

You can defo feel like a little in packs, but u demolish the boss

[earnest crane]

i m currently at 762 haste should i change one weapon enchant to breserker rage ?

[tribal blade]

nah haste procs are not very good for sub

i think

[peak ice]

Idk if I’d give up flat agi

[earnest crane]

so hard to reach 800 hasste

[tribal blade]

current gear is DB, M+ is standard build w/ PP, dslice sim

patchwerk

10 targets

unfortunately i'm not sure how to check prio gain/loss

[peak ice]

Feel like I’m just going to stick with pp

[dreamy wedge]

What prio do you really have that is not just pure ST?

[tribal blade]

sub gets it's prio currently with unseen blade, coup and DM hits

those 3 things are enough to make sub's prio pretty decent

[dusky yacht]

Are you geared for crit or mastery though? Won’t crit or mast stacking strongly affect dps in this case? Since finality is crit related and pp mast? @tribal blade