subtlety

[cloud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[tribal blade]

LOL

[vale pine]

[tribal blade]

me too UwU

[keen dome]

Versa isn't the end of the world if it's on a few pieces, either. Mastery just more dam. Crit also more dam in less circumstances. Versa? also more dam but less than the other two by a margin.

[cloud rover]

But i always pull the card, of doing mechanics and raid calling

[hollow spear]

Vers maxxing was peak

Unkillable

[placid pivot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

oh yeah if you're raid calling that doesn't count

[solid lotus]

I miss taking 20% less damage than everyone passively

[tribal blade]

this

[hollow spear]

Sometimes I feel like my healers got too used to rogues not taking damage

[solid lotus]

I don’t miss the sub rotation from that time though

[tribal blade]

yeah esp on rot fights

[hollow spear]

I hate rot fights

[keen dome]

rot fights, my nemesis

[tribal blade]

we at least have danger sense now

which helps a bit

[keen dome]

I'm slowly dying here!! healer, help me!!!! I'm sorry I said I didn't need you

[hollow spear]

You hit 30% and you start to sweat bullets

[tribal blade]

crimson vial needs to just be a full instant heal

[keen dome]

It could have both elements

[tribal blade]

it would be so good if it was instant

[keen dome]

Instant 35% heal or w/e then a HoT on top

Instantly 25%, then another 25% over 4 seconds?

[paper trail]

Fuu, I saw somewhere that u mentioned "pre dance" to get extra charged CP, how many sec before pull timer shall I do that?

[tribal blade]

50% heal would be so bonkers

[vale pine]

does not matter

[keen dome]

10, so you get the dance charge back, iirc.

[vale pine]

the points last forever

[keen dome]

but also that

[tribal blade]

would be more like 15% insta then 15% dot

[paper trail]

ah ok nice

[tribal blade]

or hot

[solid lotus]

Would anyone like to look at my logs and me why I’m bad (besides being old and washed up) I feel like I’m doing 20-30k less damage than my gear allows for

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/US/Frostmourne/Orrockk?difficulty=5

im happy to offer some in game gold or pictures of my cat for advice

[vale pine]

you want to use it so that you have dance charge ready on pull tho

[unreal silo]

whats the crest cap now? 800?

[solid lotus]

Sorry + thank you

[vale pine]

so easiest thing is to just use dance

[solar glen]

ye

[unreal silo]

ty

[vale pine]

after getting the res

[glass kelp]

Lotta those small points that shindig covered in his sub guide

[paper trail]

ye thanks, any other small tips?

[glass kelp]

Pretty helpful

[vale pine]

don't overthink it

[narrow hatch]

sub doin more dmg then outlaw? or why is everyone playing sub again 😄

[vale pine]

the aa optimization is nice, but if you start out, take one step at the time

[tribal blade]

the SC are infinite so can do it whenever

[vale pine]

wdym?

[keen dome]

the AA is pretty chill, at least.

[narrow hatch]

in ques all rogue i see in who are alrdy in group are subs 😄

[paper trail]

Have played rogue for ages, just didnt start it in Midnight, so whatever u can throw at me please do

[vale pine]

nice

[keen dome]

I've def see way more rogues this expansion than the previous two. In content, in general.

[vale pine]

there are only a few optimizations

[hollow spear]

The doms have their own statics

[keen dome]

Almost every pug group I've joined has had another rogue which is wild

[solid lotus]

I personally enjoy and do more damage as assassination keys 12+ but lower keys when shit does faster and you can get cds back sub is probably better

[keen dome]

Entirely ancedotal but it's pretty cool to see.

[glass kelp]

I thinks it's because two of the three specs no longer look untenable for non sweats

[hollow spear]

You're just attracted to these groups, iGestalt

[solar glen]

We're still using Eyes of the Eagle above Zul'jins on Rings?

[keen dome]

that's true

[keen dome]

I believe so because more crit damage is crittier

[rain sentinel]

Definitely not doing more than outlaw in m+

[solar glen]

Crittier is a good one

[paper trail]

When talking about AA and sectech, whats the optimal play here, just make sure I pool and do autos pre going into dance?

[hollow spear]

My sub does more than my outlaw though, check mate

[keen dome]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[glass kelp]

Think the robot has options to throw ring ench on, pretty nice

[velvet bear]

In m+ we use Puzzle Box over Guidon, right? If so: Do we use it on cd or with SB or even with SD/Sec Tec??

[keen dome]

This is the AA optimisation

[solar glen]

The robot even likes to waste haste

[keen dome]

Treat it as a 3 minute cooldown so it aligns with your burst each time.

[rain sentinel]

Same

[hollow spear]

Guidon is still preferred by most

[velvet bear]

I like Guidon more, too

[glass kelp]

The robot knows nothing of this 'physical limitation'

[velvet bear]

no friend of Box tbh

[keen dome]

Box sucks.

[keen dome]

I think you can just run guidon and I think it's more ST damage versus boxes AoE?

I personally play better with guidon and do more damage overall with it, but ymmv

[vale pine]

its mostly:

• The aa optimization
• Make sure to not use finishers shortly before dance, so you don't delay secret casts
• Try to always stay in melee range for auto attacks
• Start dance with secret (you likely already do)
• (in m+) Try to get TFD to proc, if you can, even if it means waiting a sec or to before opening a pack
• (boss specific) you can prepear your burst by playing "inefficiently" on specific encounters. E.g. Baloren you might use dance to get extra superchargers for the egg phase and hold cooldowns for it

[glass kelp]

I tried to thug out box in a key today and got shot in the head by a mechanic

[vale pine]

its mostly like this

[alpine wraith]

also if you want to get coup but not waste supechargers to prep belo

remember you can secret then go into dance

[vale pine]

Puzzle box is rly nice for aoe, but mythic+ gearing you likely have a LOT of mastery

[alpine wraith]

and strike spam

[vale pine]

so you run into stat dr

guidon is probably better for that reason

[alpine wraith]

when coup is ready you can do the same and get 2 more unseens ready for egg

[vale pine]

but both is fine

[hollow spear]

I feel like we already pad hard enough in m+

Bosses need to die, too

[keen dome]

no such thing as padding too hard

[vale pine]

ye

thats too

but guidon is also good in aoe

[peak ice]

I do enjoy doing like almost raid damage to dungeon bosses

[keen dome]

I have almost 900 mastery without a flask at this point

[alpine wraith]

my man has not hit 2 million dps in a pulll yet

[vale pine]

nicuu

[alpine wraith]

there is never enough pad

[keen dome]

Over 1k with the flask

[vale pine]

how strong is DK in m+ now

[keen dome]

Gaze has so much on it, it's nice

[peak ice]

Uhhh

[vale pine]

do they still do absurd aoe?

[peak ice]

Better than us in aoe

[alpine wraith]

they kinda do everything

[peak ice]

Less damage on the bosses

[alpine wraith]

and survive

[tribal blade]

having a udk in the group means your healer only truly needs to heal 4 people

and then the grips

are irreplacable

[vale pine]

ye

[solid lotus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fjGQPBxN4ndDTRXW?fight=37&phase=2&type=damage-done&start=10485118&end=10532304

so here I did fine but for a lot of the night I didn’t

[vale pine]

dk seemd to me to be still gods

[nocturne tendon]

but can UDK step kick a casting mob in africa

[vale pine]

he can just grip

[tribal blade]

back when i was still pushing whenever you were forming a group and had a healer they would beg you to pick up a DK haha

[nocturne tendon]

doesn't look nearly as cool!

[tribal blade]

i would argue it actually looks cooler

[steep raven]

!wa

[tribal blade]

yoinking it towards yourself

[nocturne tendon]

i thought this was a rogue discord smh

[steep raven]

!addons

[vale pine]

!ui

huh, moroes?

[tribal blade]

!fuu

damn

[nocturne tendon]

lunch break

[solid lotus]

Smoko

[vale pine]

think the server is fried

XD

[steep raven]

What's the recommened UF called?

[native zodiac]

just a small glance at p2

you arent procing the apex on your supercharges

[tight fjord]

can shroud skip the double void destroyers in seat?

[native zodiac]

if you want to go for logs, you hold baldes on pull to pad on the birds aswell

[nocturne tendon]

speaking of robots, has anyone run into an issue where raidbots straight up refuses to acknowledge 289 puzzle box as an upgrade to 276 puzzle box

cause im having it rn and its driving me nuts

[quick horizon]

Hi guys,
Why is that every top log pop CD on Alleria at 10s or more on pull ?

[vale pine]

damage amps in p1

[steady sail]

Not any more they have truesight

[alpine wraith]

on mythic it is a bit different

and well even in hc

[short radish]

no

[alpine wraith]

you want to wait for some blobs to die and the mob to get the dmg amp

[short radish]

they see invis

so gotta pull and smeld

[alpine wraith]

you can do the rogue skip

people on one side

you pull run away

then vanish

[short radish]

or yeah vanish

but they kinda hurt

they also will cast shit on the party still

[alpine wraith]

i never tried but i have seen it

and yea people will get the cirles and shit i think still

[solid lotus]

So I need to be using 1 more generator before dance to start it?

Ty for help here is Mizu

[native zodiac]

!aa

!apex

bot dead?

[nocturne tendon]

bot is fried ye

[native zodiac]

basically if you have supercharge + 5 sht you strike even on full cp

[native zodiac]

should also delay your 3rd dance to have sectech supercharged

the egg phase is long enough now

[solid lotus]

Ok thanks so I just need to slow down a bit

[short radish]

also we defs need to change our route to do this. we tried to skip the top left pack

and then it just pulled during boss and we died

ecks dee

[keen dome]

rip

[chilly dagger]

is it normal, that puzzle box mythic sims like 3k higher in dungeon slice compared to my heroic guidon? I got myth gaze as second trinket 😮

[vale pine]

depends on your stats

if you have low mastery, yes

[chilly dagger]

633 crit, 1172 mastery and 702 haste 😮

[tribal blade]

oh yeah that's super dangerous

[vale pine]

interessting

did you dissable raid buffs?

but mythic box is not that far off guidon

so might need a mythic guidon

[half comet]

didnt we used to run tfd in keys before .5?

[chilly dagger]

only had lust on

maybe need to disable that too? 😄

[radiant swift]

how do yall how so much mastery

[chilly dagger]

working on it every week 😄

[chilly dagger]

just debating if I take a cloak from vault with 20 versa and 66mastery or the mythic box or if it will be bonus roll 😄

[chilly dagger]

with all buffs turned off, it sims even higher

[chilly dagger]

still ~1k worse according to the sim

[vale pine]

well, guess you need to play box for now ^^

[fleet acorn]

My sim tells me to go crit Flask but when I go pick solo mastery Flask it’s better then crit lol (using latest)

[half comet]

!fuu

[paper trail]

Do I go Tauren or Panda 🤔

[keen dome]

Panda are cool

Tauren are also cool

[vale pine]

the host orchestration software crashed, so i can't re-start the docker image atm.
I opened a support ticked for the host to manually reset the instance/etc.
So, i hope its online soon™ again

happened again last year once, but was resolved quickly

[dreamy root]

is the current bis list on wowhead correct?

[vale pine]

yes

[fossil forge]

Any real sigma players got a sub paladin pov

[dreamy root]

https://klipy.com/gifs/solar-bench-market--k01KR0RD99Z3FM3G5FYTK333SJH

got u fam

[fossil forge]

Im getting off bench for rekill so i felt that

[half comet]

can someon send a quick sim of aruond 284 ilvl

[vale pine]

its a rly annoying fight, and subtlety def. isn't the best on it

[peak ice]

Just treat it like a shitty mythic pull

[lusty oriole]

Crit: 718
Haste: 685
Mastery: 876
thought? im a chilling (unbuffed)

[weary tree]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2M71LWLEHxtJmf7LJttHTC got this rn 283 ilvl

[fossil forge]

Havent played it yet so we will see

[weary tree]

It's fine to play, we're just not good at it

Not like the fight is annoying to be sub at, you just suck dmg wise

[fossil forge]

Anything new

[weary tree]

Don't die?

[main bronze]

whosa stronger bm hunter or sub rn ?

[peak ice]

Dk

[weary tree]

yes

[main bronze]

^^

[foggy estuary]

Need more haste or no children

[half comet]

gotcha ty, also quick question did we used to run tfd in m+? before .5

[vale pine]

we did

you can still use it

its good if you can get resets or force it to proc

but especially if you play with guidon

you don't need it as much

i play it personally, and no tfd is just a nicer baseline

some keys it seems rly good

like magisters terrace has a lot of forced downtime you get it

[nocturne tendon]

dslice seems to favor CC heavily over NS for me. is it bait or something to figure out on a dungeon-per-dungeon basis

like assuming it's a somewhat organized key with standard pulls, kinda looks like the burst from CC is more valuable on average

[fiery summit]

!guidon

[mystic matrix]

hi,fuu,do we still need to take the first dance in M+？

[half comet]

loll

[vale pine]

we don't "need", its just good if you get a decent amount of resets

[mystic matrix]

ty

[fiery summit]

so last night in raid i was delaying second dance on pull to fit in 2 sectec's however tonight i can fit in 2 sectecs without delaying dance, i cannot work out why (ive changed nothing)

[hidden wasp]

Just incase I am being a bit dense and may as well double check, is it 700~ haste we want WITHOUT the haste we get from oils? or can i use oils to get over 700~

[fiery summit]

with

flat stat increases count

only % buffs dont

[hidden wasp]

Ok cool tyvm

[fiery summit]

like hero etc

[hidden wasp]

i thought so but i may as well ask

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fiery summit]

but yeah im at a loss as to why i can all of a sudden fit in 2 sectecs without delaying dance, which last night with no changes was not possible

[vale pine]

you just press buttons faster

🙂

[graceful portal]

Hi just wanted to be sure but when playing with puzzle box we don't delay blades and juste use it every two blades right ?

[native zodiac]

theres is a bug where the haste benefit of deepening shadows just doesnt work

i havent had it in a while but when i had it a relog fixed it

could be that

[fiery summit]

wouldnt that bug mean i have to delay even longer tho

[native zodiac]

well it would mean your first dance would be much shorter

[fiery summit]

i know, im saying either my dance is longer then it was yesterday, or st is shorter cd

cause i can fit 2 st in first dance

yesterday i could not

[native zodiac]

you changed talents to first dance?

[fiery summit]

nope

i meant, the first dance of the opener

[steel zinc]

AA has also good downtime

[vale pine]

aa def. too

[nocturne tendon]

have you perhaps changed your pot to recklessness?

[half comet]

youd replace finality?

[fiery summit]

negative

[plush trout]

Fuu why do we play guidon in m+? And not PB

[vale pine]

we don't delay blades but we play it like its 3 min cd

[vale pine]

you can play both guidon or puzzle box

PE you mean?

PE and Warning sighn do similar things just diffrently

[fiery summit]

unless i had the deepening bug yesterday lmao

all i can think of

[nocturne tendon]

so you fit 2x ST in the same dance? I mean with lust it's feasible but we're talking 14+ seconds on dance here or something

[vale pine]

PE does increase your aoe burst, and WS creates more ressources, and more ressouces = more damage

[cursive tundra]

guys please help

i have big problem

[fiery summit]

wait

[vale pine]

can interchange them

[cursive tundra]

i only have 799

[fiery summit]

i was getting PI'd

[cursive tundra]

can I play the spec?

[fiery summit]

LOL

[peak ice]

No

[plush trout]

If I have 700 haste and around 1000 mastery do I play guidon with potion of recklessness or PB with light s potential

[peak ice]

Remake the character

[cursive tundra]

[nocturne tendon]

PI has no effect on dance duration iirc

[vale pine]

i stated it on wowhead too

[fiery summit]

hmm ok

[vale pine]

towards guidon/box

box gives a lot of mastery

but we already build a lot of mastery

so we get into DR range

which means which one is better depends on your stats kinda

both are good

so can't go wrong

[native zodiac]

lowers st cd though

would make sense why he can fit in then

[nocturne tendon]

yeah

i guess it stacks with lust too

[cursive tundra]

as someone who recrafted gear to crit haste to fit all 3 specs, even with mastery flask, I am taking PB all day. i tried both, but I already have 800 haste anyway, guidon is lower overall for me both at 289

but do give a try to both, see what feels better

[steel zinc]

Sim it

[vale pine]

we are one of the worse pi targets, sadly

[pale fog]

Do we aim for roughly 50/50 on crit and mastery after haste breakpoint now or just floor it on full mastery?

[steel zinc]

Luckily

I hate pi. Having to depend on it for DMG is just bad imo

[peak ice]

My healers keep asking me that, idk who to point them at tbh

[vale pine]

I mean its a design problem

[peak ice]

Devourer?

[native zodiac]

ele/ww should be first in line im p sure

[lime vortex]

Ele in burst are almost doing only instant cast if i remember correctly

[peak ice]

Healer issue

[fiery summit]

is it worth taking PP for mythic imp?

[tribal blade]

nah

[fiery summit]

sweet ty

[vale pine]

I like to pad on adds on it

^^

[raw frost]

finality or the rotten for m+ 😄

my dilemma

i guess rotten for ST and finality aoe ? or can just play with finality overall

if its the same more or less

[vale pine]

finelity

*finality

[drifting ether]

Its a gaze party

[tribal blade]

we take finality now for both ST and AOE

[alpine wraith]

meanwhile us all not getting shite

[vale pine]

nicuu

after getting gaze, i am now unsure what i should bonus roll on

[raven hazel]

Guys... I have two questions.

In the guide it says:
As Trickster :Trickster: on all target counts: Try to ensure that you always have :ancientarts: active for your supercharged non-Secret Technique Finisher during :ShadowDance:. (This can mean using :ShadowStrike:/:ShurikenStorm: at full CP to activate it)
This looks complicated but it effectively sorts itself out if you follow the rotational tips listed above.

• Would you guys stack up another point from 6 to 7, to get the proc?

And it says:
If you have the talent Potent Powder selected you use :BlackPowder: Black Powder even on 2 targets.

• Do you guys use black powder on 2 targets in m+? Or shadowstrike?

[drifting ether]

Yessir been a few weeks hunting for it only sent 4 bonus rolls on it including the refund so pretty happy

[alpine wraith]

yea you build again for superchargers

you want to apex them

[fallow rampart]

Guys when I back on talents before cloud im losing a lot of dps in raid, its only my issue only? And can I still play with cloud , big diff?

[vale pine]

skyreach for dagger, because i have already spend 2 rolls there so chances of getting it is high
or
nexus point for ring set, given that its the easiest way to get rings

[alpine wraith]

yea that checks out big MH situation and if you drop early

time to go for the ringos

i sent 2 into neuxus point and i got jack shiet

cloak and gloves

[peak ice]

At least the gloves are tier

Maybe

[unreal silo]

i spent 5 bonusrolls, got gaze, both nexus rings, missing myth helm for catalyst. is this legal

[alpine wraith]

i already had tier

[peak ice]

Rip

30g

[alpine wraith]

well gaze is the same kinda

got the shitty trinket twice

then this week belt

thx blizz

[drifting ether]

I was thinking if i should save my bonus roll for alleria but i really needed to upgrade the trinket

[fallow rampart]

Also guys can I ask about supercharged finishers, I saw best logs and ppls in blades sometimes using before 1 finisher from sectec

Like they pop apex ?

[cloud rover]

This guy named "Fuu" made a WoWHead Post for it. Should check it out !

[tribal blade]

LINK

[raven hazel]

So you always play for 7 points to get apex? Like I always executed on 6-7 points. Maybe i'm stupid, haha

[alpine wraith]

well you only try to force apex on supercharged finishers

that are not sec tech

so evis on st and bp on aoe

[cloud rover]

Here you go

[raven hazel]

supercharged? Sorry for my confusing

[peak ice]

the blue pips

on the combo meter

[alpine wraith]

yea when you enter dance the first 2 finishers are supercharged

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[alpine wraith]

unless you used dance before and did not spend them

[cloud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[earnest crane]

isnt 8 sec stun is a unique utility ?:D

[mystic matrix]

Hello fuu, in your dungeon simulation you took the Mistweaver talent. Is around 25% Crit all we need?

[uncut juniper]

We have the longest stun in the game, right?

[vale pine]

mistweaver talent?

you mean cloud cover

it sims higher ye

[reef walrus]

only way to get a longer one is to kidney on an evoker roar

so still kidney yes 😛

[uncut juniper]

How long is that one?

[earnest crane]

12 sec

[reef walrus]

it adds 50% to all cc

so yeah 12 sec

[uncut juniper]

[reef walrus]

very cool tech for chimaerus mythic

[earnest crane]

but the problem is Aug is not good with sub rogue 😄

in m+

[reef walrus]

stun one of those caster adds for half the fight

and your chance of wiping goes down dramatically, because apparently kicking is the main difficulty

[vale pine]

or you mean warning sign?

if you mean that, can just switch to PE too

makes no diffrence

[mystic matrix]

cloud over

[civic lava]

!fuu

the fuck ?

[mystic matrix]

Simulated stats show 25% crit—do we need any more?

[raven hazel]

The guide says:
If you have the talent Potent Powder selected you use :BlackPowder: Black Powder even on 2 targets.

Do you guys use black powder on 2 targets in m+? Or shadowstrike?

[civic lava]

Fuu the bot is broken plz fix

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

think its still instability

because they had a bigger software issue earlier

[mystic matrix]

cloud cover，my bad.

[civic lava]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[civic lava]

yeah it's good thanks

[vale pine]

cloud cover is technically a bit better with more targets

thats why it sims higher

[mystic matrix]

tyvm

[violet palm]

Is neck from crown in bonus loot table?

[stoic carbon]

Apparently m+ people just to max mastery and basically almost no haste at all

Wanted to try sub but atleast my stats compared to those guys are gigabad

[mystic matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[half comet]

what ilvl is the max sim?

[vale pine]

yes

[vale pine]

some of the chinese do that

i am not sure if its the best way to play it

you lose out on dance duration and ressources

and double secret

but it isn't the worse option

[half comet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xnEVPZPks14gyGTfaUAgwn

i just need 3 more myth items for boots cape neck but that BIS sim is still 15k over mine, would I really get that kind of gain from 3 items and fixing stats around?

!race

!races

[stoic carbon]

I imagine its becouse they are sitting with massive amounts of mobs all the time with aug and want damage out of dance

Cant figure any other reason

[vale pine]

there is a copy/paste file in #tc-research for race

but panda is probably one if not the best

[half comet]

im just trying to figure out where im losing this dmg

15k of it

[mystic matrix]

maybe mastery = damage.

[mighty citrus]

i wonder how you can be that ilvl with the limited crests. i did everything also the ?? boss etc and still have 2 items, where i cant fully upgrade cause of crests. i saw you also crafted a dagger and crests invested in mainhand

i sit at 283, not having enough crests to upgrade any fruther this week

[half comet]

i ahve mythic achievement

[mighty citrus]

so you played alts?

[half comet]

yeah this rogue is my alt

[mighty citrus]

i se

e

[native zodiac]

im p sure the bis sim is running 298 gear already

so you wont reach that until like 10 weeks

[half comet]

oh that would make a lot of sense

cause i was rly struggling to see how a couple 400 dps upgrades is getting me up 15k 😭

ok yea the sim is 290 ilv

[native zodiac]

yeah you sim p much the same as me

on same itemlvl, so youre gucci

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1sshgaBmGviFtCS2TgGEo7

[lilac stag]

Rogue will be behind everyone else for mythic achievement. We’re basically 80 crests behind those that could do a single weapon upgrade to upgrade mh + oh

[tribal blade]

i think i'm roughly 1 ilvl behind some people in my guild because i've gotten so few pieces from raid

i have one of the lowest loot scores on my raid team

[lilac stag]

That too

[fossil forge]

Im roughly 3 ILVLS BEHIND and 300CRESTS in debt

never making it out

[lilac stag]

I’ve not been able to take a single crest saver from vault. My only 279 was legs

[fossil forge]

same brah

still coping for the alleria neck

[tribal blade]

ok do i full send 4 rerolls on AA and guaranteed get puzzle and ring for sin

[fossil forge]

To save me from my crestdebt

[tribal blade]

or full commit sub and send somewhere else

[stoic carbon]

Does the crit=mastery dmg gain apply to aoe too?

[lilac stag]

Not even 24 hours

[tribal blade]

haha

[fossil forge]

commit full sub unc Stand yo ground

[tribal blade]

thing is i have enough myth items to upgrade for a bit for sub

[lilac stag]

I wouldn’t. Use for neck and bael

[tribal blade]

wasn't in for our crown kill 🙂

and we're now on beloren

i don't really need to hold rerolls

[lilac stag]

Use for bel. Interesting sitting rogue on crown.

[fossil forge]

Very sus

crown was a blast

[tribal blade]

yeah they brought me in for 1 night of prog

swapped out with our arms at his request

and was beating everyone on boss dmg

[lilac stag]

I mean even from the get go

[tribal blade]

they had progged the entire fight at that point too

yeah i think my RL has been slightly blinded by putting in meta specs this tier

instead of good players

but also he took the don't stack melee on that fight to heart

[lilac stag]

Guess he didn’t look at 2 of the top 7 specs on wcl

[tribal blade]

yeah i have no idea

frozen who you met

he saw sub was really good

and told our RL to swap us out

but then on reset all the hp got mega nerfed

so they swapped him back in

i was also parsing better than almost every single person on the fight being in for that 1 night

while being like must have been ~100 pulls down or so

i genuinely feel like we would have killed that boss significantly faster if i had been in

but oh well

[lilac stag]

Unluck

[tribal blade]

yeah that's in the past now

[lilac stag]

I kinda feel like that with paladins but not going to overthink it.

dmg ain’t the problem

[tribal blade]

i might possibly bring up the fact that i feel like this thing of putting in people on meta specs who are performing horribly

and sitting good players

is not smart

[tribal blade]

nah doesn't really have a serious dmg check

it's a live check

jesus christ these were the parses on the crown kill

and only a tank and healer died, no dps died

that's nuts

[vital ocean]

it sucks being benched, but if the boss dies does your progress parses matter?

as somsone els said its not a dps check its a live check id rather my guild do 0 dmg but live if thats the case idk

[tribal blade]

lol well

yes

because when i was in we had a bunch of P3 wipes

right on the enrage

one 0.1% wipe

so literally any one of the dps doesn't gray parse

the boss would have died

[keen dome]

That's the worst feeling, man

[alpine wraith]

arcane mage chad tho

[tribal blade]

yeah he's very good

[alpine wraith]

also it is impossible to parse crown kinda because of blob krangle

[tribal blade]

that's a good point

[alpine wraith]

you know that one where you stay with the tank and just get all the amp on the third add

[vital ocean]

can you show parses for boss dmg?

[tribal blade]

but this happens on a lot of fights

[alpine wraith]

that is how you see subs on like top 20 on the boss

we do a little padding

[open depot]

Yoo where u raiding

The grey factory?

[tribal blade]

haha true

i didn't know about parsing being weird on crown because of blobs so i slightly take that back

[fossil forge]

isnt ur guild name grey parses only

by any chance

[tribal blade]

IT IS

[fossil forge]

perfection

lives up to its name

[lilac stag]

This is why you were benched

[tribal blade]

damn

[fossil forge]

ye like unc no1 wants to see ur 99

[lilac stag]

overachiever.

[fossil forge]

we want greyparse.

[tribal blade]

haha i don't think i would have gotten a 99

[fossil forge]

surprisingly crown is very easy to parse

[earnest crane]

My fingers burning after this 18 WTF

[tribal blade]

wait how do i show that from within this log

[fossil forge]

never ask a sub rogue for boss dam

[vital ocean]

you go to rankings and "boss damage" unless im cooked and crown doesnt only include alleria for this

[vital ocean]

oh wow

[tribal blade]

yeah that's what i mean

[vital ocean]

i take back what i said then ^^

[tribal blade]

we legit would have killed it last week

[vital ocean]

whats funny is on my kill i got a green, our dk got a grey but we are top by alot on actual alleria dmg

[tribal blade]

we had a bunch of P3 wipes right on the enrage

[tribal blade]

same on our 0.1%

[vital ocean]

but tbh no point being "unhappy" now, its dead onto bird, this kinda issue is something you usually have to fix between tiers, by either moving guild or the RL making big roster changes

with all the upgrades we are getting + 1% per week, damage most likely wont be an issue again

[keen dome]

Just demand they do the damage or you will stop running atrophic

[tribal blade]

this was on the 0.1%, keep in mind i had not progged any of the fight at this point so was playing very safe

[fossil forge]

adamantite sharpening stone still working?

[tribal blade]

i already know someone is leaving our raid team

but nah i'm not gonna leave

i've been in this guild a long time, i just hope the mentality shifts

[fossil forge]

thats some real n shit

💯

[tribal blade]

😉

would rather fix the issue than bounce

[fossil forge]

fax

[vital ocean]

hmm my expierence is that mentaility rarely changes alot, but im also the kinda who sticks around so i understand your feeling

[tribal blade]

that's a good point

i know a few people feel the same way about things

so i might see if we're all going to bring it up on the next feedback

[tight fjord]

what do you guys think i should be simming to check different talents? the sims are 4min patchwerk and a dungeon slice

[vale pine]

congrats

[tight fjord]

do u guys like to just max out the dungeon slice sim

[vale pine]

what browser is that, i haven#t seen gradient used like this in a long time

[small sleet]

I just do patchwerk 10 target for aoe lol

[tight fjord]

lmao, chrome

[vale pine]

damn, i haven't used chrome lately it seems

[stoic carbon]

@vale pine does the mastery = crit damage gain in theory apply to aoe aswell?

[tight fjord]

reldo you just look at 1 min 10 target and that's all?

[small sleet]

Mastery is better than crit in aoe, but crit is still not that bad

[vale pine]

mastery = rly good in aoe

so you go more mastery heavy in aoe

[stoic carbon]

Yeah oke makes sense

[cursive tundra]

these 19s just fall over nowadays

love this sub now

[tribal blade]

how much was that on details?

[cursive tundra]

151k

[tribal blade]

nice nice

[cursive tundra]

you can check on logs as well

you hover over the "active" tab

[small sleet]

Nah I do like 10 target 5 min

[cursive tundra]

on logs and it's pretty much the same as ingame

[vale pine]

nicuu

[small sleet]

That being said a lot of the simming I do for keys is just to confirm or deny feelycrafting

[tribal blade]

i think i did roughly 157k in 17 skyreach today

was absolutely slamming dmg

[upbeat cradle]

Since I stacked crit and haste for cloud maybe i should switch to mastery instead of recrafting everything again

[tribal blade]

sub feels really good right now

[cursive tundra]

all while I was stunning all the birds on third and last boss as well

[olive canyon]

standard build and puzzle box?

[cursive tundra]

who said rogue has no utility

[tribal blade]

oh yeah it's not realistic to compare dmg between a 17 and 19

i would also do things more ethically in a higher key

[tribal blade]

i really like running guidon

[cursive tundra]

yeah standard build from pins

[small sleet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

[cursive tundra]

no. i have 800 haste

i play both to be fair

i keep testing

but I like pb for some reason

[tribal blade]

haha nice

[cursive tundra]

unless algethar

then fuck that...

i'm gonna get slapped by something while I cast

[tribal blade]

yeah i already died the other day casting puzzle in AA

the ST playing guidon in keys

goddamn

i absolutely smoke bosses

[cursive tundra]

yeah nice to finally not lag behind on ST either

we have a bit of everything

i like it

[tribal blade]

that's the niche sub has right now

very good ST in keys it feels like

obv if you play more haste

rather than degen high mast build

[cursive tundra]

i might have recrafted all my gear to crit haste last week and I also play all 3 specs cause I have identity crisis

so i have crit as my highest secondary still

i need pb for mastery

[vital ocean]

tbh i did same and prio dmg in keys felt nice, i did it so i could switch between assa and sub

[small sleet]

I did 102k single target on the bird boss in windrunner earlier, legit feels so good now

[stoic carbon]

Im on that same identity crisis, feeling I wanna try sub now, allready swapping between assa and outlaw every 2 keys

[cursive tundra]

yeah lol

we just got to vanguard as well on prog

so now I need assa gear for sure

idk if this patch made us better on vanguard

[lilac stag]

Weird. We fill a role and folks want to just toss it out and do AOE.

[cursive tundra]

but i'd rather play assa there

[lilac stag]

said no one ever

vanguard doesn’t need the rogue dps. It needs atrophic.

it is strictly a healer fight

you living and having better defensives > the extra 10k you maybe get from assa while being less tanky

or just put in another UDK for the rogue

[earnest crane]

Ty 😄

but couldnt reach that arms and surv thats sadge

[raw pebble]

Actually also noticed that sub seems to be quite descent in higher m+ keys(aka 14+). Nothing spectacular but also doesnt feel like you are trolling the group by going sub either. 🤣

[stoic carbon]

the lack of prio is what it scaring me to try it out properly

[small sleet]

Let the other people handle prio

Hit black powder and look beautiful

[tight fjord]

lmao

[stoic carbon]

😄

[hazy breach]

Its not like sub does absolutely zero prio

Its just noticably worse than assa, which has some of the best prio in the entire game

[earnest crane]

wdym by prio

[small sleet]

Damage to a priority target

Aka the big guy in the pack

[earnest crane]

hmm the only thing that i feel sub doesnt have ATM is cleave to less than 4 target

[small sleet]

Some specs do a lot of damage to their main target, which is very useful for killing packs faster, since everything dies more evenly

[tepid trellis]

Mass aoe

[tribal blade]

yeah it feels AMAZING

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[tribal blade]

sub does decent prio

[stoic carbon]

Where does the prio come from in aoe?

[tribal blade]

it's enough

[earnest crane]

like the third boss in Seat that put u behind alot or secend boss in pit

[tribal blade]

unseen blade

coup

[lilac stag]

Strike + Apex

Coup

[tribal blade]

danse macabre

[flat wyvern]

Hey brothers someone can tell me if macros with stance or stealth conditions are still working?

[earnest crane]

just target the prio target u see it

[stoic carbon]

Need to do some testing with sub at some point for sure

[tepid trellis]

Sub needs god, when it comes to low target cleave and mass AoE

[alpine wraith]

i find funny how they made arcane prio super op

then proceeded to nerf it 4 times

[tribal blade]

facts

[alpine wraith]

so it is not as good

[lilac stag]

Just reroll to DK like everyone else.

[tribal blade]

the arcane funnel was so bonkers

[tepid trellis]

nah im good

[lilac stag]

Winter is Coming

[tribal blade]

it had to die

[alpine wraith]

it still has it kinda

just does shit overall

[tribal blade]

it's kinda crazy when a spec like arcane that didn't even top the meters was being run because it had such ridiculous funnel and ST

[hazy breach]

Now arms warrior is the funnel god

[tepid trellis]

Arcane does insane uncapped AoE too

[alpine wraith]

is it? what changed

[small sleet]

This is why sub doesn’t need prio, just always run with an arms warrior

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[earnest crane]

i just rerolled to dh and they nerfed it as soon as i reached to 280 ILVL 😄

[tribal blade]

is it just their slams from cleave?

[earnest crane]

if u want i can do the same for DK

[tribal blade]

i forget

[flat wyvern]

Why is this not working anymore ?
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [stance:0] Sinister Strike
/cast [stance:1/2/3] Shadowstrike

[small sleet]

Your arms warrior will fuckin love you for not having evis/ss cleave on nimble flurry anymore too

[hazy breach]

Idk why, but it does insane prio

[tribal blade]

yeah they do have very good prio now

[tight fjord]

so this is like, storm/evisc, shadowstrike/evisc

[hazy breach]

There's something about having 3 targets gives you cdr

[vital ocean]

the nerf was needed though right

[small sleet]

I just know if you pull funnel into a boss for arms, they go from 60k st to 110k

[hazy breach]

And some slam on main target thing

[tribal blade]

iirc it's this

[hazy breach]

That's the second part I mentioned yes

[tribal blade]

yeah sorry

[hazy breach]

Not the first one

[tribal blade]

meant to respond to 2nd part

[alpine wraith]

do they play slayer or colo

slayer has the thing that procs from whirld or cleave

[small sleet]

Whichever one gives them the demolish ability

[alpine wraith]

colo

[earnest crane]

and some one in outlaw channel was arguing with zac about this and he was insist this is not funnel its cleave 😄

[tribal blade]

hrm interesting

[lilac stag]

Cleave and Sweeping Strikes

[small sleet]

If arms didn’t funnel they wouldn’t do insane damage to giant boss in pit

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[lilac stag]

Arms ST is kinda bleh

[tribal blade]

i don't think this counts as funnel though

[lilac stag]

Arms also has the melee tax of needing monk and skyfury

Where mage could just laugh

[earnest crane]

why they do more dmg to prio target while doing AOE

[tribal blade]

that's what i meant, it's more like prio

not sure honestly

[tepid trellis]

according to our warrior its legit just that

[tribal blade]

gotcha

so arms has had that for a long time

that's existed for years

[earnest crane]

the fact that they dont use any special ability on singel target to funnel with like flagg that we had once a day its kinda hard to call it funnel but i think its still funnel kinda

[tribal blade]

i guess they just made it good enough to take now

[tribal blade]

iirc before the slams didn't do extra % dmg

[tribal blade]

ahhhh i see

[half comet]

p sure the extra slam stacks collateral dmg talent

[tribal blade]

BRING BACK COMBO

actually i take that back, bring back banshee's blight

make that our funnel

[lime vortex]

Small question guys and gals. Does pre supercharging cp before pull works ?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[half comet]

i feel like our capstones are extremely dissapointing besides shadowcraft

[tepid trellis]

well even now shadowcraft

is a husk

[tribal blade]

they could use a lot of work

[tepid trellis]

its just more ShT stacks

the fun part went to the apex talent

[lime vortex]

According to sim, the 2 1st works i guess but can i supercharge like 6 so m'y entire opener is supercharged

[tribal blade]

it's kinda hilarious they took part of shadowcraft and put it into the apex

i daresay that feels lazy

[half comet]

and our only choice node that does DPS might as well not have a difference

[alpine wraith]

pre pull only 2 chargers work

[small sleet]

You can pre supercharge 2 combo points, anything past that will get reset

[tepid trellis]

you can in non raid combat or start of a key

it will reset to 2

on key start or raid encounter start

[lime vortex]

Ok this is what i was thinking, ty for the confirmation

[tribal blade]

only place we could full stack supercharger for an encounter was in hardmode tazavesh

i annihilated bosses doing that

[serene blaze]

Yo, please, can i get help ?

I am using recklessnes pot before guidon and guidon before shadow blades cds, is there some macro which can help me out little bit ? To prevent getting haste from recklessnes pot cause guidon used 1st?

[small sleet]

You could macro your pot so that it uses guidon right after

[cloud rover]

First Sub uses Lights Potentail

[small sleet]

But that’s about it

[cloud rover]

But other procs can make it harder to hit the goal, like Hunt as example

Especially if Haste and mastery are close

But still, Lights Potential is the way

not Recklessness

[small sleet]

Recklessness has higher value in aoe if you’re getting mastery from it

[serene blaze]

Ye maybe its lights potential safer.. cause its also toxic waiting half gcd after guidon use

[sage ivy]

I think recklessness with mast in aoe beats light potential sometimes but not worth the hassle imo

[small sleet]

It beats it by a pretty decent amount last I checked. It’s worth it if youre trying to min max but it’s not the end of the world if you use lights potential instead

[sage ivy]

The mental dmg i take from getting haste on reck does more dmg than getting mast would

[small sleet]

Lmao yeah if you ever press it wrong it’s pretty brutal

[alpine wraith]

be a madlad

and use abandon

[hearty steeple]

is there away, i can make the potion aligned only if alegathar box ready? in another word potion is 5 minutes CD, and box is 3min while SB is 1.5

[alpine wraith]

dodge all silences

[cloud rover]

I literally thought about it for Beloren

But im 100% sure the Void zone disappears under the slices

[alpine wraith]

damn that boss would be kinda danger

because of visibility

and also if you are on the 1 slicer

[vale pine]

+1, we should do better on it

[alpine wraith]

you would get silenced

it could work on lura tho

the boss has a huge hitbox

[small sleet]

Trying to macro anything with puzzle box usually isn’t a great idea imo, and you don’t need to use reck pot before puzzle box like you do with guidon

[alpine wraith]

and in all phases you can move around

[sage ivy]

Just always be in the wrong slice and shadowstep someone in the right one last millisec

[hearty steeple]

why not using potion and box together ?

[alpine wraith]

the silence can also spawn randomly

in the other slices

[small sleet]

The cast time will waste potion duration

[serene blaze]

We were talking abou guidon and reck pot usage

Which is painfull, atleast for me

[hearty steeple]

i know,box isnot with the macro, i use it alone. but i am trying to align the potion cd with the box cd, there's 1 min difference

nvm, it seems it must be manualy done

[vale pine]

i would not recommend using the silence potion

[small sleet]

Fuu just wants to keep all the silence potion parsing to himself

[sage ivy]

Did they ever use it in rwf even? At any point?

[small sleet]

Most likely not that shit kinda sucks

[cloud rover]

Silence Potion plus Cloak

ez

[vale pine]

haha

true

[small sleet]

Adding more variables to prog would be terrible

[sage ivy]

Fair, i was expecting it on bosses with hard dmg checks on pull since you can just reset if people fuck it up but thats costly too

Also not a lot of hard bosses where p1 dmg matters a lot i suppose

[ashen warren]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[small sleet]

Hardest damage check of rwf was beloren probably? And you can’t pot on pull there

Nvm what am I saying lura was a pretty insane damage check too

[cloud rover]

I think Lura was the hardest

yeah

[small sleet]

But lura mechanics in p1 were so hard that having more to think about

Would be trolling so hard

[hazy breach]

They mightve tried it if they spent another 100 pulls wiping on 0.5%

But until then why bother

[fossil forge]

Eleem the stone thing still working ?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[fossil forge]

will be using in raid.

[vestal relic]

which stone is it ?

[tight fjord]

hey so my stat weights said haste is negative dps

does that mean this buff thing in MT is actually nerfing me

[reef walrus]

shouldn't really use stat weights

but even so, it's probably an error somewhere because adding haste doesn't do a lot, but it shouldn't be negative

[tight fjord]

hmm

[reef walrus]

the buff thing in MT doesn't nerf you, but it also does almost nothing for you anyway

[hazy breach]

Ye dlisce is weird

Its not actually negative dps

Just sometimes more haste makes the lineups different in dslice

[tight fjord]

would u guys drop a haste ring though

[sage ivy]

Is that just the haste diff not doing anything and variance making you sim lower on average?

[tight fjord]

in MT

[small sleet]

No

[hazy breach]

Idk wouldnt really recommend using it for sub, its just giving weird results all over

[small sleet]

You want 700 rating

Percent does not matter

[tight fjord]

hm

[small sleet]

So the extra % haste from mt doesn’t give you the same value the rating does

[abstract cosmos]

whats best race to play isnt panda

[small sleet]

Gnome for style points, for dps idk

[reef walrus]

I assume you don't want panda because of looks? if that's the case, why not just pick the race based on looks and be done with it? 😄

[void ocean]

kul tiran rogue 😄

u shadow step and insta dc

[cinder marten]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[random mason]

Gnome is BiS for this week bc you can racial the affix

[small sleet]

Gnome racial is unironically useful in a lot of dungeons this tier

[tribal blade]

i've found meld once again really nice

[uncut juniper]

Free prem and 30 energy

[tribal blade]

honestly main thing is combat dropping stuff 😉

[void ocean]

rogues care bout affixes?

[tribal blade]

combat drops are always useful in keys

[uncut juniper]

Nope

[void ocean]

i dont think i even opened to see which affix is in any week so far

just wing it 😄

[tribal blade]

i unironically kind of miss seasonal affixes

[alpine wraith]

last season bfa was super fun

[tribal blade]

my favorite was S2 SL

that was a lot of fun

[alpine wraith]

remember the MDI kites

[tribal blade]

i was on hiatus from wow at that time haha

[high grotto]

do we still delay guidon by 0.2 to 1 second still?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[tribal blade]

because of what they did to sub

[alpine wraith]

sub in sl was not that fun

dance spam bs

[tribal blade]

1 second because you can't predict when the server tick will happen

[tribal blade]

yeah was unfortunate

also was riding on the heels of combo

so everyone thought sub was supposed to not touch BP

[viral geyser]

Do we ever shadowstrike instead of shuriken storm during AOE and within dance?

I see the raidbots cast timeline uses shadowstrike instead of shuriken storm

[void ocean]

was that the one with "void tunnels"

[hazy breach]

No

Not unless you purposefully want to do slightly more ST (prio damage) by giving up some aoe

[viral geyser]

Fair enough, thank you

[hazy breach]

Also idk sim shouldnt be doing it

[void ocean]

never give up ur parse for prio

!

[lime wigeon]

Or like using shadowstrike for the movement value

[viral geyser]

This guy gets it

[sacred jewel]

doesnt the faq say shadowstrike on 3 or less targets during SD

[small sleet]

Sim should only be doing it on 2 and 3 targets right? How many targets was the sim for

[viral geyser]

I got 99 parse last night on Belo'ren HC because I thought fuck the mechs I'm focusing ST

[void ocean]

nobody ever wrote in lfg "checking ur prio dmg, grey prio dmg and green dont bother"

[hazy breach]

Yes 3 targets for strike

[tribal blade]

sub's prio isn't bad atm tbh

[void ocean]

best funnel ever

[viral geyser]

3, testing paladins comparison. Need to learn assassination but I've always been sub

[small sleet]

You can just play sub on paladins

[lilac stag]

What simulation type?

[small sleet]

You’re there for atrophic poison not damage

[sacred jewel]

wtf is that avatar reldo

[void ocean]

u r there so others feel superior

[small sleet]

It mike wazowski

[lilac stag]

If it’s for paladins you’re just pressing strike in dance.

Storm outside of it.

[viral geyser]

I do, but best I've gotten is a 77

[viral geyser]

That could be the difference maker, I was using storm the whole time

[sacred jewel]

hc? i turned my brain off and did storm/bp the entire fight and got a 96

[lilac stag]

If you’re really bored you can maybe toss a single storm in when all three are there during dance for that big lashe dmg.

[tribal blade]

'

[viral geyser]

It's a mix

[void ocean]

weekly

[sacred jewel]

but with potent powder

[void ocean]

oh deer

[lilac stag]

[hazy breach]

Inside Shadow Dance to build combo points: Cast Shadowstrike with 3 or less targets, otherwise Shuriken Storm.,
Outside Shadow Dance to build combo points: Cast Backstab with 1 target, otherwise Shuriken Storm.

Per the #subtlety-faq

[weary tree]

that's 3 target so you just strike yes

[small sleet]

You should talent into potent powder for paladins for sure

[lilac stag]

Where do you see the dance buff while it’s pressing storm + BP?

it’s not a mix

[viral geyser]

Actually you're right yeah I see it's about 10secs until it uses shuriken again

[viral geyser]

I'll do that for sure, thanks for the tips

[raven hazel]

Method's guide says 2 targets for shadowstrike while dancing.... I'm so confused.
"Generator Priority: During Shadow Dance use Shuriken Storm on 3 targets or more use Shadowstrike on 2."

[peak ice]

wats the most diplomatic way to ask for someone else to get benched

[lilac stag]

I don’t think the raccoon has updated the method guide.

[peak ice]

Oh nvm, boomie down

[raven hazel]

Cool! So you guys use shadowstrike on 3 targets and less?:)
Says the guide is last updated: Last Updated: 23rd Apr, 2026.
So I just trusted it

[lilac stag]

well it’s May 7th

a lot has happened in 2 weeks

Stealthi not going to be updating a guide during Lura prog.

[marble comet]

why is on archon sub so far behind between Assa and Outlaw?

[lilac stag]

Your 10 second comment suggests you don’t know what to look at.

Enjoy!

[azure thicket]

i think pulls have gotten smaller and run longer as key difficulty has gone up, you need someone doing good prio damage who isn't you etc

[viral geyser]

Correct! That's why I'm in this Discord, so I can learn and improve

[lilac stag]

That don’t be a dick with your image. Mine was done to assist.

[abstract cosmos]

ha penis

[void ocean]

next tunning when

[azure thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/bomb-defused-cat-bomb-defused-gif-24468503

[abstract cosmos]

probs wont have one for another 3 weeks

probs till next raid

[void ocean]

we r 5% away from greatness

[fossil forge]

We are 1x 8%bp buff from greatness.

[hazy breach]

If they even do another tuning pass, but im fairly confident they wont buff sub more

[void ocean]

yea it would be dangerous

[hazy breach]

At best its an AoE only buff, but probably not

[void ocean]

imagine if get under 10% diff from devo dh

[tulip gorge]

I have a feeling they won't touch rogue anymore at this point

[void ocean]

its shame assa didnt get any love lately

[winged shore]

We aren’t in a terrible spot, all 3 specs are playable

[abstract cosmos]

id love a aoe buff tbh

[void ocean]

playable 😄

[tribal blade]

they nerf overperforming specs and that indirectly buffs sub smile

[azure thicket]

sub works better with iffy tanks

[abstract cosmos]

dont jinx it

i mean in my opinion sub feels amazing

better then ever imo

[tulip gorge]

too bad lately they buff overperforming specs and nerf underperforming ones

[void ocean]

how could i jinx it, they aint gettin nerfed for sure

[tribal blade]

they didn't with the last pass at least

[abstract cosmos]

dk and dh still topping charts

xd

[tribal blade]

but i know what you mean 😉

[tulip gorge]

they still nerfed outlaw

[azure thicket]

mutilate is currently eating 1% per cast though between the bleed ticks and whatnot

[tribal blade]

very slihgtly

[abstract cosmos]

loads are still playing outlaw

saw lfg full of them

[tulip gorge]

a nerf is a nerf

[tribal blade]

outlaw is basically unchanged

[small sleet]

Outlaw is extremely strong rn

[tulip gorge]

they also nerfed frost mage

[tribal blade]

also small

[tulip gorge]

despite it being in a terrible state at least for m+

[small sleet]

Ok yeah frost mages got fucked

[void ocean]

remember in tww s2 we accidently got double 5% buff which made us like top 3 for 2 days and we still got nerfed back to mid 😄

cant have rogue that high 😄

[hazy breach]

It was good in raid

[exotic steeple]

mage can have 1 season without being meta

[tulip gorge]

I tried playing some frost mage in m+ and the aoe damage is horrendous

literal tank damage

[abstract cosmos]

tww arcane was broken

[void ocean]

even tho we were literal dog ass class for 2 months we couldnt get the rest of the season as one of the tops

[abstract cosmos]

so fk em

[void ocean]

dog ass spec*

[azure thicket]

that's how mage works tho it's prio and 2/3 target monster

[tribal blade]

this is either the outlier season where mage isn't the most busted thing in the game

or the time of mage has come to an end (unlikely)

[azure thicket]

grab a ret paladin and time stuff